The Daily Signal - James Comer Explains Forensic Audit of Biden Scandals

Episode Date: January 19, 2025

The money and lies surrounding President Joe Biden and his family’s finances “dwarfs Watergate,” said House Oversight and Accountability Committee Chairman James Comer, R-Ky.   Comer joined The Daily Signal Podcast to talk about his new book, “All the President's Money: Investigating the Secret Foreign Schemes That Made the Biden Family Rich.”    “The book is a forensic audit, and it describes in detail who the people were, why they wired the Bidens money, what they expected in return for the money,” Comer told The Daily Signal Podcast. “And then it shows how the money then would be laundered to the various shell companies and then go down to the Biden family.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the Daily Signal podcast weekend edition for Sunday, January 19th. I'm Fred Lucas. I sat down with House Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer to discuss his new book, All the President's Money. Also, what to expect from Congressional Oversight going forward in 2025. Stay tuned for our conversation right after this. I have with us today House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer. He is the author of a new book, All the Precounter.

President's money. And we want to talk about that with him today as well as what we're going to see with the oversight agenda going into 2025 and forward. We have a new administration and a new Congress going forward. Thanks for joining us. Well, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. Yeah. One thing I did want to talk to you. We are recording this actually the day after President Biden's farewell address. Did you think there was some irony to Joe Biden talking about an oligarchy? when this has been an election official who has spent decades using public office to enrich his family. Yeah. I mean, he said several rich things. He talked about, as you mentioned, the oligarchy, when his family has been influencing, has been influence peddling with oligarchs all over the world.

And I would go further, shady corrupt oligarchs all over the world. And then he said people should pay their fair share of taxes with his son sitting across from him. He had four people, according to the picture, in the room, as spectators, it was Kamala Harris and her husband, Joe Biden, his wife, and then Hunter Biden. And I'm thinking, my gosh, you know, according to the Irish whistleblowers that came forward because of our investigation, they testified that Hunter Biden never paid a penny on that $27 million that he took from oligarchs from our adversarial countries. And that would mean he would owe a minimum of $10 million more to the IRS. So the irony of Joe Biden saying and other people should pay their fair share when his family probably has as big a liability to the IRS as any family in America.

All right. Great. Tell us a little bit about the book and also the title. It's all the president's money. It's kind of a play on words from the famous All the President's Men book about Watergate. Right. Yeah, because I think that our investigation should be remembered in the same fashion as Watergate. It was the huge scandals in the White House.

But if you look at what the Bidens did, it dwarfs Watergate. I mean, you know, there were some mistakes made obviously by President Nixon and, you know, he wasn't being truthful with the American people about some things. But if you compare that to the dishonesty from Joe Biden and the amount of money that the Bidens took not just unethically but illegally from these people and then they lied about it and then they never paid any taxes on it. I mean, I think what the Bidens did that was exposed in our investigation that I write about in the book is the biggest public corruption scandal of my lifetime. And I was alive during Watergate. I was in diapers, but I was alive during Watergate. So this is a bigger scandal than Watergate. And the book is a forensic audit.

And it describes in detail who the people were, why they wired the Biden's money, what they expected in return for the money. and then it shows how the money then would be laundered to the various shell companies and then go down to the Biden family, 10 different Biden family members. When I was messaging on the investigation, I would get an opportunity to go on Sean Hannity's show. It would be a four-minute clip. He would talk for three minutes, and I would get 60 seconds to explain a very complicated financial scheme. And it was very tough to do. But the book, I have all the ink in the world.

And again, it's a very substantive, very thorough book that describes in detail the accounting that the Bidens did, how much money they took, who the players were that were sending the money. And it also talks about the obstruction we faced from government agencies as well as a weaponized media that would constantly disinformed their audience as to what we had discovered. Do you think, I think the committee has made some criminal referrals. Yes. To correct. And there's a new Justice Department coming in. what type of actions do you think might happen as a result of those referrals? Well, Joe Biden pardoned Hunter for anything and everything over a 10-year period.

So no contempt of Congress charged. Well, I mean, I think the ball is in Donald Trump's Justice Cabinet now. I'm going to be meeting with Cash Patel tomorrow. I'm going to be communicating with Pam Bondi tomorrow. Oh, right. And we have some ideas. We want to see the Justice Department. hold these people accountable for crimes that have been committed.

A lot of the crimes that Hunter committed happened prior to 2014. The pardon Joe issued to Hunter Biden started in 2014 and went to today, I guess, the rest of his life. The reason he went back to 2014, that's when we started subpoena on bank records. That was about as far back as I could go with the banks. So, you know, if you go back, if the Justice Kevin just wants to go, okay, if he's pardoned from 2014 to the rest of his life, let's look at 2013. So there's plenty of the Justice Cabinet could do despite a pardon. But we also gave criminal referrals to Jim Biden.

And there's not as much known about Jim Biden as Hunter Biden. I'll write a lot about Jim Biden and the schemes he did. He was also influenced peddling. Joe Biden knew exactly what his brother was doing as well as his son. And the reason you don't know as much about Jim Biden, he didn't have the misfortune of leaving a laptop lying around that would end up in the hands of the New York Post. So the book details what Jim Biden did with respect to his influence paling schemes.

And they were different than hunters. Hunters were international. Jims were domestic. But at the end of the day, no one could ever say what business the Bidens were in because the business was selling access to Joe Biden. In terms of those meetings. So, I mean, those are interesting. I mean, do I anticipate like possible charges that you're going to talk about with? Pam bonding, Hesh Patel for the Biden family and people within their circle, not just a family member.

Well, it's the family. There's two groups of people that I want to see held accountable. I want to see the family held accountable. But more than the family, I want to see the people in the government held accountable about the cover-up. And I write about this extensively in my book, All the President's Money, because the government knew what the Biden's were doing. And, you know, one of the things that when we started getting these bank records in, and I saw all the money and saw how they were laundering it, and I got the bank violations called Suspicious Activity Reports from Treasury that showed the six different banks had been filing these reports with the Treasury Cabinet that the Bidens were money laundering, that they were, you know, for all practical persons taking potential bribes from adversarial countries. They weren't being honest with the bank about what the companies were. the companies were shell companies and the banks knew that. It wasn't hard to figure it out.

I'm like, how can this go without being caught? What we found during the investigation. There were six different government agencies with ongoing investigations for different things of the Bidens. You had the Department of Justice had at least three different investigations in three different jurisdictions. You had the FBI had investigation. You had the IRS, as we heard from the IRS. whistleblowers and the Securities and Exchange Commission were investigating both Hunter and Jim on separate things for two different schemes. And in each instance, those government agencies were told to stand down because the investigators, they circled the wagon with Hunter and they circled the wagon with Jim Biden.

But obviously, how were they getting this money? It was because of Joe Biden. And everyone knew it. So when they got to the point, they wanted to question Joe Biden, that's when the deep state would step in and say, no, stand down. And so I think the book really explains who all knew. And that's what I want to talk to Cash Patel about later today. Look, I'm not telling you what to do, but you need to hold these people accountable.

Or you're never going to reform these intelligence communities if you don't set some examples out of some people, some deep state, unelected bureaucrats that have abused their power. So some of this will also be firing people. not necessarily bringing charges. Yeah. Well, at the very least, firing people. Right. I mean, these bureaucrats think, okay, we're untouchable because we're in the civil service system.

Right. You know, we've got merit. They cannot fire me. I'm a career guy. Fire them. Let them sue. Let them take you in front of the personnel, but show them what they did. And see how a jury feels about you letting the statute of limitations expire on the wealthy, crooked Biden family

when they're out having to work hard. and pay half their paycheck to the federal government. We have seen, we've talked about the media blackout about a lot of the Biden corruption scandals. What do you think, I guess, mainstream media audience will probably be shocked when they read this book. They will. But maybe Daily Signal audience, Fox News audience,

what do you think that they'll get out of this book that they didn't know before from that reporting? I think they'll see what we could do and what we couldn't do. Like a lot of people say, why didn't you go in and arrest Merrick Garland? Well, I mean, that's not a thing. I don't have the ability to go in, bust through the Department of Justice with a pair of handcuffs and cuff Merrick Garland and drag him out, you know, tell the Secret Service detail to get out of the way.

That's not how it works. We do an investigation and then we turn it over to the authorities. Well, the authorities were corrupt. The authorities were Joe Biden's handpicked Attorney General. Unfortunately, Donald Trump's handpicked FBI director. And, you know, these people did everything in their own. their ability, not just to obstruct our investigation, but they coordinated with the liberal mainstream media to, you know, attack us and come all out at once and have these coordinated stories.

They colluded, just like the FBI we heard during our first hearing would go to Twitter and say, you can't write this or you need to, you know, take this person off your platform. You need to censor this person. Do not print that story. It's Russian disinformation. They were doing the same thing with the print media saying, okay, they're going to come out and say, this deposition is going to say that Joe Biden, you need to write that Joe Biden had no knowledge and the evidence does not exist.

You know, whatever we were saying, the Washington Post and the MSNBC and CNN, they were writing exactly opposite. They were disinforming. And I named names in the book of reporters of print media, television media personalities, that were actually lying to their audience every day about everything that our investigation uncovered. They said there was no evidence. There was no evidence. My book is a forensic audit.

350 pages of evidence of criminal wrongdoing by the Biden family. And these were a lot of the same media people who were saying that Joe Biden's cognitive abilities are perfectly fine right up until July, 2024. Yes. Yeah, I want to ask you about a few things that are ahead for the Oversight Committee in 2025. What do you think are the big issues that you'll be going into? Well, we want to try to cut waste, fraud, abuse in the federal government. And for the first time in my chairmanship, I've been chairman of the committee for two years. We have an administration that is like-minded.

You know, Donald Trump's administration wants to eliminate wasteful spending. What a noble concept. But the Biden administration, I'm telling you, they could care less. They could care less. There's this thing the government's doing every day. It's called improper payments. Our government is getting ripped off every day. We're getting hacked.

We're getting fake accounts that are getting grant monies and SBA loans and unemployment insurance payments. that aren't even in the United States. They're in African countries. They're in, you know, Asian countries and European countries, most people couldn't even find on the map. These people are scamming. We have an obsolete information technology system in the federal government. That's one of the things that Musk and Ramoswami said early on.

They wanted Doge to look at. We have jurisdiction on an oversight committee of the information technology for the federal government, which is pitiful, and it's not linked up. But we've got to fortify the software in the federal government to stop getting ripped off, to stop issuing improper payments. Medicare, Medicaid, FEMA, all these government agencies, the Small Business Administration that issue payments, grants, things like that. They're getting ripped off every day by people who are ineligible, people who don't even live in this country. And yet the Biden, we found it. We were highlighting it.

were inspectors generals, there were, you know, GA reports, there were things that showed this was happening, but the Biden administration never did a thing to stop it. And this is one of the priorities of the Trump administration. So we're going to be working very closely with them on that. On these areas of waste, I mean, they would seem to not be necessarily partisan. But does it, do you think the Democrats and I guess the career federal employees, they just don't care, they think just print more money? Or what's the deal there? Yeah. Well, I've learned we've had one committee hearing already in oversight this year and this new Congress. And I mean, I was just amazed that the Democrats suddenly are concerned about wasteful spending and oversight. You know, they had no desire to provide any oversight of the Biden administration for the last four years. But now the Democrats on the committee, you know what? This improper payment thing's really bad. We need to do something about it. We can work together on that. Well, why didn't you want to work together in the last administration? I'll work with them. I work with anybody. I'm a taxpayer and I'm discreet. at how much money is going out the door.

The media always focuses on the foreign aid, the money of Ukraine, which I vote against the money in Ukraine. I hate foreign aid to everywhere but Israel. At the end of the day, the biggest, biggest waste of money are these improper payments that are going out the door, and no one's doing anything about it. So hopefully we play a leading role in that on the House Oversight Committee with a willing administration. It's hard for us to provide oversight if the administration doesn't cooperate with us. We fought the Biden administration. And usually the check and balance in that business model of provided oversight is if you've got an administration that's not being transparent or not being helpful, then the media would call them out. Well, the media would call me out for having the audacity to pick on poor old, smart, healthy Joe Biden, you know.

Yeah, and following up on that, of course, on the waist, The Oversight Committee will have the Doge Subcommittee. Could you talk a little bit more about that and what your expectations are there? Yeah, we're real excited. When Musk and Ramoswami came up with this concept, we thought it was great because that's what the Oversight Committee is about, waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement of the federal government. So we decided to create a special subcommittee to work with whoever the Doge staff would be. They've got three staffers now.

And we're communicating with them. I'm named Marjorie Taylor Green. to be chairman of the subcommittee, and that obviously raised a lot of eyebrows. But Marjorie comes from a private sector background. She's got a pretty good size business. She cares about taxpayer dollars. She will not back down. Believe me, she is a fighter if anyone doesn't believe that. She's very intelligent. She talks to President Trump probably more than anyone on my committee, including Jim Jordan and Byron Donald and all these guys that talk to Trump often. So she wants to have some hearings and she wants to work together and it's going to take a team effort.

There's no short – there will be other committees in Congress that will have hearings about what Doge wants. I mean, you're talking about rules and regulations. You're talking about unnecessary divisions, unnecessary agencies, grants that have been abused, grants that aren't even needed. And it's just – it's going to take a lot of manpower. to expose this and to kind of message to the American people as to why we have to pass this bill and why that Department of Education needed to be shut down and all that. So that's kind of what we're going to do, and that subcommittee is going to be focused on just communicating with the Doge staffers.

Do you think the Doge, as a commission or as an independent body, maybe working with Congress, do you think there's going to be more success there than you had with? the Simpson Bowles in the past and maybe with the Grace Commission going way back. These commissions that are set up to save money and then sometimes their reports could just get put on shelf. I hope so. I hope I love Elon Musk and Ramaswami. They're brilliant minds.

I just hope that Musk sticks with it because he's used to going in and he's a business guy. And, you know, we'll slash 80% of the Twitter workforce and they never missed a beat. you could slash the significant percentage of the federal government. He wanted to do that. The problem is they're protected by civil service. And I don't think he knew what that was. And we've tried to explain it to him. And he's like, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Well, yeah, I mean, that's a problem. We've been screaming about it for years and years. And then Joe Biden, you know, signs these deals on the way out to trumpproof the federal government and gives these unions more ability to work from home, which, AKA means, you know, sitting in your pajamas all day. sleeping late and you know not being as productive as working in the office so you know there's a lot of obstacles there are a lot of barriers to do what Elon would do with a private company if he bought any private company to take it over he could go in and in 48 hours completely transform

that that company into the image that he wants unfortunately you can't do that in the government and then when you have to pass legislation you know how hard it is for the house Representatives to get to 218. And then you got to turn around and get 60 votes in the Senate, which means even in a Republican majority, you're going to have six senators, six Democrats vote with you. It's a challenge. So it takes time. And I think that Musk is the kind of guy that goes in and, you know, snaps his finger and it gets better overnight. I wish we could do that in the federal government. But unfortunately, you know, it's going to take time. Just like this reconciliation bill, they put the timeline out on the House and it, you know, ends.

up being into April, which means it would be into the summer with the Senate. And, you know, I know a lot of the Trump people weren't happy about that, but I mean, that's actually light speed in Congress for a bill of that size and substance. Yeah, I actually, I did have a question about the efforts on Trump proofing. That was addressed on this recent report that the oversight committee did regarding the teleworking. What are some other, I guess, other areas for the Biden administration sort of going out the door, trying to trump proof the federal government and the bureaucracy. And what are ways that Congress or can Congress reverse that?

Yeah, well, you know, they're trying to sign executive orders on the way out the door on student loan debt. Biden's trying to sign executive orders on implementing and extending Green New Deal policies and extending bans on offshore drilling. You know, he's done doing all of this at the end, you know, Trump-proofing it or burning it down on the way out, whatever you want to call it. So President Trump's going to have to come in and do some executive orders. Some of this stuff's going to have to be rescinded by Congress. We plan on putting a lot of these recensions in that budget reconciliation bill. And for people that don't understand, that reconciliation bill is unique because it only takes 51 votes to pass the Senate.

It doesn't take 60. So you could pass that bill. That's the only bill that you can pass through the House and Senate and it be completely partisan. The way the Senate's designed, you have to have bipartisanship. That makes a lot of conservatives mad. But, you know, it is what it is. It's been that way, you know, since the beginning. But the reconciliation is the one vehicle that only takes a majority of vote.

It doesn't take 60. So, you know, they would have votes to spare in the Senate. on that, and that's what we're trying to get as much stuff on that reconciliation bill as possible. Given back to Doge and, I guess, the civil service, do you think it would be possible? I mean, this is an oversight question, I think, but do you think it even be possible, given the numbers in the House or even the Senate, for that matter, to get, like, a large-scale civil service reform where you hold the bureaucrats accountable or legislation through it? I mean, I would certainly support that.

I mean, it would have to be something that President leans in on. Anything that's going to be controversial, and you say, how is that controversial? Every federal employee in every town in America is going to be upset over that. But, you know, they always talk about wanting to be treated like people in the private sector. I think the doable thing is changing a classification of federal employees to that schedule. Right now, you know, whoever the – well, it's Lee Zeldon, is the EPA going to be the EPA director. He's going to go in and he's going to say, hey, we want to drill offshore. We want to frack.

We want to use the ANWR. We may do the Keystone Pipeline again. He's going to come up with all this stuff. And he's going to say, quit harassing our drillers, quit harassing our coal operators. And the employees at the EPA, the last time Trump was president, said, no, we're not going to do that. We're liberal, left-wing activists, and we're going to keep harassing the energy producers in America. We're not going to give any permits. And you can, you know, go fly.

hot. Well, with Schedule F, if they were a federal employee and said, no, to their boss, we're not going to implement your policy, then they could be fired. And I think that is at the very least what needs to be done. If you can't go back and undo the damages, then at least you can fix the problem in the future. And that's called a Schedule F employee. We have jurisdiction of that on the Oversight Committee. So that will be something that will be passing out of committee very soon. And it is essentially a reclassification of a certain type of federal employee because you can't have a bunch of left-wing activists working in a government agency and a conservative department head or cabinet head saying, this is my policy, you all implement it.

And then they're sitting there with their middle fingers up in there because that's the way it was in the last Trump administration. There was kind of shows the divisions in D.C. get your take on this that happened this week. There was a heated exchange this week between Congresswoman Mace and Crockett on your committee. Did you have any thoughts on that?

Well, I'm so immune to outbursts in the House Oversight Committee. I have a lot of firebrands on my committee. So you have Crockett, Ocasio Cortez, Rashida Taleb, that's Stansbury from New Mexico on their side. Then on my side, I have Mace and Beaumert and Green

and Luna. So, you know, they have their moments. And, I mean, it's just par for the course. We encourage, we encourage just, you know, everyone to get along. And inevitably, they're going to be outbursts and major disagreements. And unfortunately, our committee's the most high-profile committee in Congress. And the media loves the viral moments of our arguments. And it's usually between the female members of each side of the aisle.

So I'll leave it at that. Well, I guess this agreement is democracy. right? That is right. You know, if the cameras had been in when the founding fathers were doing the first Congress and the Constitution, yeah, they would have really been outraged, this new feminine press corps we've got, they would have been real outraged at that. So I don't think our, I think our disagreements and arguments pale in comparison to what the founding fathers went through. Right, right. Probably true. They, well, I guess going forward also, do you expect any Jerry Conley, very partisan member? But do you think there might be any,

common ground, the two of you can find? I do. In fact, I say this publicly, and people think I'm joking. I'm as serious as you can be. The Democrats on the Oversight Committee had nowhere to go but up after having Jamie Raskin be their ranking member. I mean, he is the most dishonest. I just, it was tough to sit beside him for six hours at a time because he's just, I mean, he should work for MSNBC. That's where Jamie are asking. He doesn't need to be in Congress. He needs to be an anchor on MSNBC because he just, Just everything out of his mouth is incorrect. Jerry Conley is a good man, and I think he wants to govern.

Now, he's wrong on policy. I'll say the same thing about Ocasio-Cortez. They ran against each other. I like Ocasio-Cortez. I just disagree with her. You endorsed her, actually. I endorsed her. My endorsement helped her as much as Liz Cheney's endorsement helped Kamala.

But, you know, at the end of the day, I think that Conley and I have a lot of common ground. He's now real concerned about the improper payment. And, you know, there's good government things that can be done that are bipartisan. And I think Conley wants to do that. So I've sponsored legislation with him before. I think we'll get along. I don't want to say, you know, in perfect harmony, but I think that the relationship between Conley and myself will be significantly better than it was between Raskin and myself. Okay.

Right. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions about your home state, Kentucky, my home state as well. But you have in the house that you had the speaker fight, Thomas Massey, your colleague, was opposed to Mike Johnson's speaker. Did you have any thoughts on that and your own interactions with Thomas Massey? I love Thomas. You know, he's one of the smartest members in Congress. You know, he voted no on the speaker's race. There was no one else running.

And you have to have a speaker. I mean, we can't sit there for two weeks and argue and like we did with McCarthy the last time. Thomas has one vote, just like I do. He has the right to vote for whomever he wants. And he obviously isn't a Mike Johnson fan. I certainly don't agree with everything Mike Johnson says. But, again, there was nobody running that's who Trump wanted. And, you know, we have to have a speaker.

We can't get started without somebody being assigned the speakership. So, you'll have to ask him why he did it. But at the end of the day, you know, Thomas is a – he's a sharp guy. And he's going to do what he thinks is best, and I respect that. Okay. All right. And do you feel like Speaker Johnson is supportive of the oversight agenda? Yeah.

You know, he has a tough job. And people get on me, that outburst you mentioned, they say, can't you control your committee? I'm like, yeah, who do you think could control that committee? You think Trump could control the committee? You think Obama could control that? I mean, you've got members of Congress. They have big egos. And, you know, they're on a whole different level with respect to competitive.

and, you know, they're very passionate about their beliefs. And it's just hard to tell members of Congress, you've got to sit in your chair and be quiet for six hours and you have to vote this way. We just, most members of Congress, especially Republicans, aren't bred that way. And it's just very difficult to try to get everyone to be unanimous, which is what we have to be. We don't have any votes to spare. So in this budget reconciliation, we, every single Republican, including Thomas Massey, is going to have. have to vote for this bill or it won't pass. And the other Kentucky question has national implications, I think, just because of Mitch McConnell's not running in 2026. He's whatever conservatives have

varying opinions on Mitch McConnell, but he has become an icon in the Senate. Who do you think's going to fill that Senate seat? And do you have any interest? I have no interest. But he hasn't announced he's not running again. Most people doubt that he'll run again. I would say if he announces he's not running again. Daniel Cameron will certainly be interested. Andy Barr would certainly be interested in. I think Thomas Massey would be interested. So, you know, those are three big name people and you'll always have, you know, there'll be a business guy somewhere. There'll be some state legislator that looks in the mirror and sees a U.S. Senator and will try to run. But I think those would be the three most prominent names. All right. Okay. I think it's all the questions. Is there anything else you

would want to share about going forward? No, I just, I'm excited. Like I said, I meet with cash After a while, I've gone for two years having to watch my back with Christopher Ray. So to go from a guy that was dishonest to me, that obstructed all my investigations, that leaked dishonest stories to the media, that was Christopher Ray, to Cash Patel, a guy who called me wanting to meet to talk, to get advice and strategize about cleaning that agency up, it's a pretty good day for me. And Pam Bondi will be communicating with her on holding people accountable. I'm just real excited and, you know, January 20th can't get here fast enough for me.

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