The Daily Signal - Storytelling, Comedy Hallmarks of Pro-American Kids TV Show

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

A high quality children's TV series that teaches children concepts such as economic freedom and personal responsibility didn't exist a year ago. But now, "Tuttle Twins" is redefining pro-American entertainment for children. The TV version of "Tuttle Twins" is inspired by the beloved book series of the same name by Connor Boyack. The TV series takes viewers on exciting adventures with siblings Ethan and Emily Tuttle and their freedom-loving grandma, who just happens to have a time-traveling wheelchair. The vision for the crowdfunded series is "to mix the humor of shows like 'The Simpsons' and 'Phineas and Ferb' with the family friendliness and educational value of something like 'The Magic School Bus,'" says Daniel Harmon, the show's creator. In the first episode, Ethan and Emily travel back in time to learn from famous French economist Frederic Bastiat as well as "the French Revolution that was going on around that time, and how rights are so needed to be protected by the government," Harmon says. "Tuttle Twins" is also meant to be entertaining for parents. In the same way as "Pixar makes movies for kids, but that adults really enjoy as well," he says, "that's what we're trying to do with this." Harmon joins "The Daily Signal Podcast" to talk about the mission of his new children's series and how families can begin enjoying "Tuttle Twins.” We also cover these stories: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announces his resignation a week after an investigation concluded that he sexually harassed 11 female state employees. The U.S. Senate passes a $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill by a vote of 60-39. A viral Instagram videos shows Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., dancing and taking photos maskless at an indoor wedding.  Enjoy the show! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the Daily Signal podcast for Wednesday, August 11th. I'm Doug Blair. And I'm Virginia Allen. When it comes to kids television shows that promote strong values and teach kids America's founding principles, for a long time, there were not many options. Daniel Harmon saw a need for funny, creative, and entertaining children's television that would inspire patriotism and young people and teach valuable lessons about economic freedom and American liberty. To fulfill this need, Harmon created the Tuttle Twins series.

The colorful animated show draws inspiration from the beloved Tuttle Twins books. It's fun and engaging for kids while also being educational. Daniel Harmon is the creator of the show and he joins me on the podcast today to explain why he chose to create this pro-American kids television series. And don't forget, if you're enjoying this podcast, please be sure to leave a review or a five-star rating on Apple Podcasts and encourage others to subscribe. And now on to today's top news. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced his resignation on Tuesday after an investigation concluded that he had sexually harassed 11 women. Here's Cuomo announcing his resignation via MSNBC. And I would never want to be unhelpful in any way. And I think that given the circumstances, the best way I can help now is if I step aside and

government get back to governing. And therefore, that's what I'll do, because I work for you. And doing the right thing is doing the right thing for you. Because as we say, it's not about me. It's about we. Kathy Hokel, my lieutenant governor, is smart and competent. This transition must be seamless. We have a lot going on. I'm very worried about the Delta variant, and so should you be. But she can come up to speed quickly, and my resignation will be effective in 14 days. Cuomo's resignation comes on the heels of a series of scandals beginning earlier this year. The governor initially was accused of covering up the true number of deaths related to a controversial order to nursing homes, preventing them from turning away people based on a COVID diagnosis.

Later on, female staffers began to come forward and accuse the governor of sexual misconduct towards them, accusations that Cuomo continues to deny. After 14 days, Cuomo will officially be replaced by Lieutenant Governor Kathy Hokel, making Hockel the first female governor in the state's history. On Tuesday, the Senate passed a $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill. The bill includes funding for things like roads, bridges, broadband internet, and clean water. The Senate passed the bill with a vote of 69 to 30. 19 Republicans voted for the spending package, including Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

Now the Senate is moving on to consider Democrats' $3.5 trillion spending package. Heritage Foundation's David Ditch, who joined us on the podcast yesterday to break down the two spending bills, says this larger multi-trillion dollar appropriations bill, is the most expensive piece of legislation in history. Ditch wrote in a Daily Signal piece Tuesday that the $3.5 trillion bill reads like a progressive wish list to include a generational welfare expansion, job-killing tax hikes, an aggressive climate agenda, an attempt to give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants and more. Since Republicans are opposed to the larger spending bill, Democrats plan to use a budget

rule known as reconciliation to push the legislation forward without GOP support. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says if the larger bill passes the Senate, the House will take up both bills when Congress is back in session in September. On Tuesday, Instagram videos showing Representative Rashida Tili, Democrat of Michigan, dancing and taking photos maskless at an indoor wedding were published online, leading many to claim the Congresswoman's actions were hypocritical. The video was filmed by Dearborn, Michigan-based band Basam Sala and shows Talib unmasked in a large crowd of people. Wayne County, where Deerborn is located, is currently considered to be in the Orange category

by the CDC. CDC guidelines currently stipulate indoor masking for everyone regardless of vaccination status in Orange counties. Critics of Talib were quick to point out the Congresswoman's condemnation of Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, who has been vocal about his opposition to mask mandates. In a tweet from Monday, Talib wrote, the Kentucky Senator is throwing a tantrum as his state is being swallowed whole by this virus again. People are getting sick and dying.

98 counties in Kentucky have a high incidence rate of COVID-19. He needs to put politics aside and put people first. Start resisting the virus. Now stay tuned for my conversation with Daniel Harmon as we discuss the brand new Pro Liberty Kids television show, Tuttle Twins. Virginia Allen here, I want to tell you about the most powerful. popular resource on the Heritage Foundation website, the Guide to the Constitution. More than 100 scholars have contributed to create a unique line-by-line analysis of our Constitution. The guide is intended to provide a brief and accurate explanation of each clause of the Constitution as envisioned by the

framers and as applied in contemporary law. There has never been a more important time to have an understanding of our founding document. So if you want to learn more about the Constitution, go ahead and visit heritage.org slash constitution or simply search for heritage guide to the Constitution. I am joined by Daniel Harmon. Daniel is the chief creative officer and founder of the Harmon Brothers ad agency and the creator of Tuttle Twins, an animated TV show for kids that teaches them the value of freedom. Daniel, thanks so much for being here. Thanks for having me on, Virginia.

I'm so excited to talk with you about the Tuttle Twins. I actually, I watched the pilot episode of the show last night, and I found myself laughing at many of the jokes. It's a really funny and witty show. Even though it's for kids, I feel like there's a lot of great humor in it that adults can appreciate as well. And it really teaches kids concepts of limited government, of freedom. And it does so in a way that they can actually understand, which is awesome. But I want to begin, Daniel, by just talking a little bit. about your story and how you and your brothers first began working in the media space and got

involved in ads and now TV shows. Yeah, so a lot of that starts with a company called ORABrus. It's a tongue cleaner for bad breath. So it actually 90% of bad breath comes from bacteria on your tongue. And my brothers were co-founders of a company of ORA Brush. And the they were really having a hard time selling their tongue cleaners through traditional means, like through, you know, grocery stores and that kind of thing. And so they went to YouTube with it and had a tremendous amount of success in being able to sell the oarbrush online through video. And I was involved in that process of consulting on the video content that they were creating. And I created the logo and stuff that they used for ORABush, I think even to this day.

And I joined the company a little bit later as an art director, and we did a ton of video content, like literally a video a week is what we were doing for the company. And it was this giant campaign and its efforts that we did that got the orebrushed into places like Walmart and Walgreens and into distributors all over the world. basically. And after a while, a company approached us that was called poopery. And they, you know, make a toilet spray to get rid of the nasty smell when you go to the bathroom that you spray on the toilet first. And we actually left ORABrus to go do that campaign. And we hadn't intended to start an ad agency, but we needed a company to put the campaign money into. And so we were just like, let's call it Harmon Brothers. And then we'll, we'll change it later if we need to. And essentially, when we made the poopery campaign that's the title on YouTube is Girls Don't Poop, I think, is it blew up.

Like it was extremely successful. It was featured on the big advertising networks like Ad Week in Advertising Age and Huffington Post picked it up. And it was very viral. And they sold out of their product. But then people started approaching this from all over the place. do advertising for them and we were like we were getting cited cited in the news it's like creative agency harman brothers and we were like are we an agency i didn't know we're in agency i didn't know where you're an agency i guess we're in agency but um poopery the the success of poopery is how

squatty potty found us and then with squattie potty we did the the pooping unicorn and the prince you know to teach people about colon health and then from there it was um purple mattress that we that we launched that brand with them and chat books and and and Camp Chef and Alumi and so many others it kind of the success started with with figuring out some things at Orr Brush and then we eventually formed our own company and started with Poopery and it kind of took off since and yeah I'm the chief creative officer and kind of oversee oversee the creative ad work that comes out of the agency so it's been a fun ride I love it. Your creative style is just amazing. I feel like you all have taken such a unique approach to ads, and you are bringing that creativity to the Tuttle Twins TV show.

So what was the process of going from ads to then discovering, okay, I want to pursue a new project called the Tuttle Twins TV show, and yeah, just walk us through that transition? Yeah, you bet. So much of the success that we've experienced. experienced is in the formula we have at Harmer Brothers where we've mixed the worlds of branding, right? Like when you think of really great branding, you think of brands like, you know, Nike, Ford, you know, Red Bull, all these Apple, all these giant brands that make you feel something in their advertising, right? We kind of mix that element with what in the marketing world is known as direct response where it's like, buy now, you know, call this 1-800 number, do that kind of thing, like infomercials, right? We kind of mix those two worlds together to where there's a high amount of branding and storytelling and humor. And then there's a high amount of education for the kinds of products we're doing because no one had ever heard of purple. No one had ever, I should say no one have heard.

Very few had heard of poopery like compared to what they do now or the squatty potty. We had to educate the customer on those kind of things. And so when when Tuttle Twins came along, meaning Connor Boyack, the author of the books, when he wrote the first book, I'm a friend of his. and he released it. I bought it immediately, read it with my kids, really enjoyed it, and then I bought every book since. And I'm like, man, he's really on to something. In fact, he has been.

He's sold over, you know, 2 million copies of these books now of this book series. It's been tremendously successful for him, and to the point where he started entertaining the idea of like me, maybe we should turn this into a TV show. And then I reached out to him and I said, no, I want to turn it into a TV show. I had kind of a vision in my head for the way it could play out because he had done such a good job of breaking down these complex concepts of things like individual freedom and limited government and free markets, all these things in a way that kids could understand them and that adults were learning them in a way that they never had. And I was like, oh, if we could really bring that to a TV show but with elements of storytelling.

and comedy and stuff that I had developed, you know, I had learned in at my time as chief creative officer at Harmon Brothers that I think we'd have something really great that kids would really enjoy and understand and that adults would as well. That they, I mean, it's kind of the Pixar model, right? Pixar makes movies for kids, but that adults really enjoy as well. And that's kind of what we're trying to do with this is make it. So kids really enjoy it and love it. And then adults really appreciate the humor and things like that.

I mean, Veggie Tales is a good example of that as well, where it's like when you actually sit down and listen to the writing and stuff and see the lines of the story. You're like, oh, this is really witty. This is really clever, right? And that's kind of the vision for the show. So we partnered up with Connor to do the TV show. And then in order to fund the production for season one, we did it through crowdfunding.

Our distribution partner is Angel Studios. They're very known for the series The Chosen, which has been a huge, you know, a huge success. They have, I think, over 150 million views on the series now and they're their second season. And we went out to the crowd. I mean, Connor has a really good base of people that have bought the books. Like I mentioned, over 2 million copies sold. And it's clear that there is a real need in the market for these kinds of materials because parents are really. craving tools to teach their kids about these values of freedom because they're not really being

taught as much in culture in society or even in the school systems. And so they're really craving this. And it's clear from the way that they got behind this project. I mean, we have, we raised over, I think, what's the total? We raised over 3.7 million from the crowd. It's this, this single largest crowdfunded kid show in world history. That's amazing. Yeah, so it's been a huge success. Well, and Senator Mike Lee, he had some very generous and kind words to say of the project that you all have on your website, but he wrote, it's imperative that parents teach the time

tested values of freedom and free markets to their kids, and the Tuttle Twins project is an amazing way to help do that. So explain how you take a concept. like free market economics and explain it to kids in the Tuttle Twins TV show. Yeah. The way that we do it is we start with the principles. We say to ourselves, what has to be taught in this particular episode? In episode one, that's available on TuttleTwins.tv, you can watch it in its entirety,

in an animatic form, meaning it's a collection of storyboards that are edited together with voices and things like that. It's not the finished animation, but you can get a sense of the story. is okay, we start with what needs to be taught. And that first one, we wanted to teach about the law about rights, that people have a right to life, to liberty, and property. And that when government goes beyond the protection of those rights for people and starts actually taking or infringing upon those rights, then that's where people kind of get upset.

And we have an example in that episode of where, You have the Tuttle Twins. They're selling some lemonade. And in comes the Kids Club president of their Coltysak Kids Club. And because she's the president, she gets to take lemonade as much as she wants, whenever she wants. And that's written in their kids club laws. And they're like, well, that's a stupid law, you know. And then they go on a discovery process of figuring out, well, what is a good law?

You know, and they have a grandma with a time traveling wheelchair that kind of takes them on on these journeys. I mean, the vision for the show is very much to mix the humor of shows like The Simpsons and Phineas and Furb with the family friendliness and educational value of something like the Magic School Bus. And that's kind of what we're doing is they go back in time to learn from the famous economist Frederick Bastia from France. and the French Revolution that was going on around that time and how rights are so needed to be protected by the government. And then they go and learn about the practical application of that in an Old West kind of setting where we have a rancher named Carla who's getting her cows that are kind of taken away from her by the government

because it's written into the law. She's like, well, this isn't really just. And then they're able to go back and apply that then to their lemonade stand and get the law changed. So it all starts with what we need to teach in each individual episode. And then the story revolves around that. Very similar to what we've done with our advertising campaigns. It always starts with what's the message we need to communicate?

What's the main thing we need the customer to understand when they walk away from this ad? And then all the character and all the story and all the comedy needs to support that. I love it. So creative. All right. Well, let's take a quick listen to a clip from that first episode of the Tuttle 20. See that? Carla's a generous person, even when the law doesn't force her to be. Well, hi, you ding-dongs.

I guess it's back to plan C, which is also plan A. Take them cows by force. Use your wheelchair, Grandma. I can't. We need more power. You learned. The law should help protect our right to life, liberty, and property. government is basically hiring someone to protect your rights from bad guys all right more wisdom gas knowledge juice

Ethan how many times the government might turn into the bad guys if it's wrong for me to steal something it's also wrong for the government to steal so the law should protect our rights and not turn the government into the bad guys power two all right welcome back well uh daniel would you just tell us a little bit about the process and the time that goes into creating a show like this, developing the characters, deciding what you want it to look like. You bet.

So the process has been going on a long time now. One from getting a deal together with Connor, the author of the books. So we started on this process now, I'd say almost two years ago, that we started meeting with him and talking to him about it. And then for the writing process, I brought together some great writers that have helped us at Harmon Brothers, really proven comedy writers like Kellan Erskine, who has been on Conan, on I think Jimmy Kimmel. He's has a show where he's featured on Amazon Prime and on Dry Bar Comedy, and then Kelly Brumann, and she's got a show on Netflix, and she's been a very successful writer for us at Harmon Brothers on ad campaigns, and Johnny Vance, the same thing, where he's, He's contributed to shows like Studio C that's known for their sketch comedy.

So all of our writers have really strong comedic writing backgrounds. And then they have really good backgrounds in writing advertising as well. So they're really good storytellers. And the process is we first off needed to come up with a great concept for the show. Because our main thing is we're teaching the same principles in the books. We're not necessarily doing it with the exact same stories. that are in the books. It's all the same principles and teaching about

limited government and about principles of freedom, but the characters are a little bit different. It's kind of its own, there's kind of the Tuttle Twins TV show universe, and then the Tuttle Twins book universe. And they're, and they're quite a bit different in that way, but what they're teaching is actually extremely similar. And Connor is a co-executive producer on our project, And so he actually helps us maintain the integrity of that as he goes through. He helps us in that writing process to make sure we're being very clear on that.

And he's very good in that way. But the writing process is intensive because we go through an outline of the episode. Well, we start with a concept. And then we do a day where we kind of tackle the outline of what we think it's going to go like. And then we get feedback on that. And then we go through a first draft. And we get feedback on that. And then we go through a second draft.

And we get feedback on that. And then we get go through a fourth draft and get feedback on that. And then we just continue to go to that process. And then you go to an animatic, which is where you put together the storyboards. And the storyboards, like you'll see if you go to total twins. TV, that's where we put together the entire episode with drawings that are, they're not finished animation, but it gives you an idea of how the character expresses themselves and moves. And it brings all that together.

And once we've got a good animatic, is what we pass off to the animation company, who then takes all the character designs that we put together in background designs and prop designs, and they place that in and put the movement to it. But they have voices that they follow, so we've pre-recorded all those voices so that they know what they're timing all the animation to. And it's really, it's really extensive. I mean, it takes a while from beginning to end. We haven't finished an episode yet.

And so we're still, we're still, we've got one, two, three, we've got four of them in production and two of them that are in writing right now. We're about to start on the next six in writing. And so, yeah, it's a pretty, it's a pretty big process. That is a very big process. Wow. Yeah, fascinating to hear all that goes into even just one episode. That's wild.

So as you're thinking right now about, you know, both the short-term video, and the long-term vision of the show. Where do you want this to go? So we feel like the principles of freedom are timeless and that they are also international. They're not exclusive just to the United States that anybody that follows these principles of limited government and free markets

can find in tremendous peace and prosperity when applied to their own culture and their own country. And so the big vision is that It goes way beyond the United States, that it's able to go internationally, much like the Chosen has with Angel Studios, the chosen, which is the first multi-season TV show about the Life of Christ. It's now been, I think, seen in every country in the world except for, like, North Korea, which, you know, obviously they have their restrictions there.

But the idea is that it will get translated into multiple languages and that we think it can go season after season after season, literally for, like literally for seasons on end. That's one of the reasons why we're doing this as a cartoon is so it can kind of have that longevity that the tunnel twins in our in our universe of the TV show are like 11 years old. And so they won't necessarily have to age because they're cartoons. And we're casting adult voices for them. So those don't have to age as well. So that they're able to continue to go back and play the character. Much like, I mean, the Simpsons is on season 30.

I mean, we think we think this has the potential to do that kind of a thing, that it could just kind of. go on and on and really teach about all different aspects of these principles of freedom. Like, this is my personal belief. When I talk to friends and neighbors on all sides of the aisle, left, right, Republican, Democrat, you know, progressive, conservative, whatever you want to call them, there is a tremendous love. Almost everyone has a love for freedom. Everyone loves the idea of freedom. They like their freedoms.

you can't sit there and say to someone like, oh, isn't slavery much better? Like, no, no one thinks in those terms, right? Everyone loves the concept of freedom, but very, very few really understand what that means in principle and in practice. And that's the gap that this show really tries to close, is we're not really approaching it from any kind of a, like, a political party standpoint at all. We're very much approaching it from in terms of principles so that people can kind of break it down and understand it and then apply it to their own life in the way that they vote in the initiatives that they support and the politicians that they maybe get behind. Yeah, I think that's so critical. You're so right. We all want freedom.

That's such a basic human desire. But for some reason, it seems like there can be a disconnect sometimes between actually that desire. that desire and then really knowing what that looks like in practice and in the government in our daily lives. So that's so powerful to start thinking about, okay, how do we actually teach that to kids from a young age so that they can grasp that concept? Have you showed or done like, you know, watching with the kids and kind of seeing how kids react to the show and their responses to it? Yep. Everything starts with the kids. So when we first write the outline for a script, we turn it into a storybook form so that we can,

and I have a really good focus group at home because I have seven kids. That is a good focus group. And so I have daughters that are ages 12, 10, and eight. And they're my primary focus group. And then I have some more cynical teenage sons that are like 14 and 16. And they'll, you know, they have good insights too

because they're very much into what's cool that kind of stuff right now right and so if they like it then I know I'm really on to something but I read it I read it with the story outline with my kids in a storybook kind of format and and kind of pay attention to where they're getting bored and where they're laughing and what's really resonating I'm asking about afterwards you like what was your favorite part or what was a part that confused you and we get feedback early on from kids and we do we do that and then once we once we have a finished script and put it into the animatic we show that to

them as well and one of the big indicators for me is when my kids asked to rewatch it, you know? When they're like, oh, can I watch that again? And even though it's not finished animation, it's actually just, you know, a bunch of storyboards put together and edited with, you know, some temporary voices and stuff, but they are enjoying it and loving it and watching it. Like, they're choosing it even as entertainment right now before it's finished, even over some of their, like, their options on like Disney Plus and YouTube and Netflix and all that kind

of stuff. So that's the goal. That's the vision for the show is that it's. entertaining enough and it works well enough as a story and as characters that kids want to watch it as entertainment but then they also get the education along with it they're not thinking that they're going to schools they're sitting down they're just like oh this is this is a fun thing for me to follow so that's kind of the vision for it love it so creative now you mentioned that the show is crowdfunded but your model of crowdfunding is actually really unique could you just explain

that model how you all did it Yeah, you bet. So when people think of crowdfunding, they often think of Kickstarter or Indie Go-Go-go. And those are usually based on funding some sort of a product that's going to go out into the market, right? Someone's created, invented a cool backpack or whatever it is. And you're donating, right? You're crowdfunding through donations of people that are just so into it, they support it and that they just back the project or they just want to, they want to buy the thing, right? Whatever it is. this is very different in that the crowdfunding through Angel Studios is an investment in the Tuttle Twin show.

So meaning when we succeed, you succeed. And so for everyone that invested, and it's now some 9,000 people that invested that $3.7 million, for everyone that invested before we take a dollar of profit from the show, we have to pay back those investors, $120,000. percent of what they invested. Meaning, if they invested a dollar, they get a dollar and 20 cents back before we ever take profits of our own. So as the show succeeds, they'll succeed. It's actually an investment in the business entity of it. And there's going to be, with kids shows, most of the revenue, in fact, 70% of revenue from kids shows comes from merchandising. If you look at something

like cars or like Toy Story, like the box office revenue is literally like 10% of of the total of the like billions of dollars that they've earned on those things, literally those films become just almost ads for the merchandising itself. And so there is, we have big plans to very much merchandise the Tuttle twins with things like, you know, t-shirts and in, and hoodies and, you know, and coffee mugs and school supplies and all that stuff as well as like, you know, just toys of stuffed animals and, and little figurines and that kind of stuff that the kids love. So that's that's the road we're headed down right now. So if someone still wants to support total twins TV financially, can they do that?

Currently no. I mean for sure you can support us by following us on on Facebook. It's Tuttle Twins TV show or on Instagram or on YouTube. If you look us up on those places, you can subscribe or follow or like. That's all, that's all beneficial and it's a good way to stay in the loop of when we're going to release and all those things. But the investment period has now ended. We fully funded our first season. We have 12 episodes that are going to be produced and we're super excited about that. There will be a time in the future to be able to invest in the show, not so much in the way of necessarily investing in the show itself,

but of like we have a model where people will be able to pay it forward so their neighbor can watch it. The Tettletones will be available to watch for free. We'll have an app that you can download for free and you can watch all the episodes for free. And then you can pay it forward for other people to watch it as well. That's what the Chosen is doing. And so millions and millions of people around the world have watched that show for free. And this will be the same way where you can watch it for free and then you can pay it forward for other people to watch it as well if you'd like. Excellent.

Well, we'll put all those links in the show notes. People can follow you on social media. We'll also put the link for the books. So if anyone wants to buy the books. But when should we expect to see these episodes coming out and coming online? So it's fall that we're releasing the first four episodes. That'll be available through the app. I don't have an exact date on it, but it'll be this fall.

And then we're still crossing our fingers that the first episode will be available even before then. but I don't have an exact date for you. We've had, we've had, quite frankly, we've had some different things with COVID and stuff that have happened. As far as, like, production goes, we had, I mean, we have a production company in India that's had some struggles. I mean, you know the situation over there with COVID, and there's been some different things going on. So we're still trying to figure out all those timelines, but it will be this fall that we'll release the first four episodes. Excellent. Well, we look forward to that. Daniel, thank you so much for your time today. We so appreciate it.

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