The Daily Signal - Texas Couple Creates Ranch 'Haven’ for Pregnant Women in Crisis

Episode Date: December 7, 2021

Aubrey and Bryan Schlackman say they are just a normal couple who happen to have a unique vision to help pregnant women in crisis.  “There are lots of women that are in desperate need, that need help,” Bryan Schlackman says. “And it's just devastating that we, that this culture, doesn't think first of how we can help the mom.” About a year ago, the Texas couple had an idea to create a “maternity ranch”—a term they coined. The mission of the ranch is to create a loving and safe environment for single pregnant women who need a fresh start.  The vision for their Argyle, Texas-based ministry, Blue Haven Ranch, is to have 15 to 20 homes for mothers on the property of a fully functioning ranch that will produce income that will one day make the nonprofit self-sustaining.  The couple is currently mentoring five pregnant women and helping them find a fresh start, but they can only house them in apartments until they have the resources to purchase the ranch and build the homes.  Ultimately, they want to purchase 100 acres or more in the Dallas area to build the ranch.  The Schlackmans say they think their vision to help women in unplanned-pregnancy circumstances is particularly relevant now in light of enactment of Texas' new heartbeat law, which restricts most abortions after a fetal heartbeat can be detected, and the possibility of Roe v. Wade being overturned by the Supreme Court. Roe v. Wade is the 1973 high court ruling that legalized abortion nationwide. When “abortion [becomes] illegal, other things have to come and take the place of that,” Aubrey Schlackman says.   The couple joins “The Daily Signal Podcast” to explain how the model of Blue Haven Ranch could be an answer to the challenges some women face during an unplanned pregnancy. We also cover these stories: New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announces a COVID-19 vaccine mandate for all private businesses. The Justice Department is taking legal action against Texas over the state's redistricting plans. The White House announces a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Beijing Olympics over China’s human rights abuses. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We'd love to talk, business. This is the Daily Signal podcast for Tuesday, December 7th. I'm Mary Margaret Ollahan. And I'm Kate Trinco. Texas has been in the news for its heartbeat law, which bans abortions after an unborn baby has a heartbeat. But less covered have been the efforts of Aubrey and Brian Schlachman, who want to help pregnant women in crisis.

About a year ago, the Texas couple had an idea to start a maternity ranch that would be a loving and safe environment for single pregnant moms who need a fresh start. The couple joins Virginia Allen to explain how their ranch works. But before we get to Virginia's conversation with the Schlachmans, let's hit the top news stories of the day. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Monday that all of the city's employers must mandate COVID-19 vaccinations for their workers. De Blasio said on MSNBC, We in New York City have decided to use a preemptive strike to really do something bold to stop the further growth of COVID and the dangers it's causing to all of us.

All private sector employers in New York City will be covered by this vaccine mandate as of December 22nd. The Justice Department is taking legal action against Texas. Here's what Attorney General Merrick Garland had to say via the Washington Examiner. Today, the Justice Department has filed suit against the state of Texas

for violating Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. As the Supreme Court has observed, a core principle of our democracy is that, quote, voters should choose the representatives, not the other way around, close quote. Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act requires that state voting laws, including laws that draw electoral maps, provide eligible voters with an equal opportunity to participate in the democratic process and elect representatives of their choosing. The complaint we filed today alleges that Texas has violated Section 2 by creating redistricting plans,

that deny or abridge the rights of Latino and black voters to vote on account of their race, color, or membership in a language minority group. Vanita Gupta, who is the Associate Attorney General and the number three at the Justice Department, said per Axios, Texas's population grew by 4 million people from 2010 to 2020, and 95% of that growth came from minority populations. Despite this significant increase in the number and proportion of eligible Latifian, and black voters in Texas. The newly enacted redistricting plans will not allow minority voters an equal opportunity to elect representatives of their choice. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton

tweeted, the Department of Justice's absurd lawsuit against our state is the Biden administration's latest ploy to control Texas voters. I am confident that our legislature's redistricting decisions will be proven lawful and this preposterous attempt to sway democracy will fail. The White House has announced that it is boycotting the 2022 Beijing Olympics over China's human rights abuses. Here's what White House press secretary Jen Saki told reporters on Monday via the recount. The Biden administration will not send any diplomatic or official representation to the Beijing 2020 Winter Olympics and Paralympic Games, given the PR scene's ongoing genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang and other human rights abuses. While Team USA athletes have the Biden administration's full support, according to Saki,

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visit heritage.org, click on About Heritage at the top of the page, and then click Careers. You'll find the link for the Young Leaders Program there with all the instructions on how you can apply today. I am so pleased to welcome to the podcast, Aubrey and Brian Schlachman, founders of Blue Haven Ranch just outside of Dallas, Texas. Thank you both for being here. Thank you for my hands. Now, your story, I think, is so fascinating and really exciting. I just recently learned about the work that you all are doing. If you could, just go ahead and explain what Blue Haven Ranch is, which you all call a maternity ranch. What is a maternity ranch? Right. Well, um, we coined the phrase. I guess. Yeah. I mean, we had never heard about it and we even researched it and there's nothing,

nothing out there. Yeah. So it was, um, really just something I think God called us to. And I think Brian and I just have a unique, um, gifting and purpose. And so we've been married 11 years, but this has only been in the last two years that this has been something on our hearts that we've been working towards. So we had the idea in January of 2020 when God put it on our heart to create this space and the programs that would basically involve caring for single pregnant mothers with children specifically for their pregnancy and then up to a year postpartum is the big part of that that's a little bit different. Yeah, that's unique. Yeah. And so, but the ranch part really comes into play with having this space enough obviously to care for the families,

these mother-led families, but also just bringing in that sense that I feel like God uses nature to create a calming sense of peace and healing. And so we want to create that space for these families that are coming out of abuse or abandonment, lots of trauma, just to give them a time of a break to build from there. So that's the idea and the goal. We're not there yet. We just started taking moms in January of this year in 2021. And the whole process that started was in our home. Like not being able to house them yet, but being able to do support groups, cook meals together, have a Bible study, and basically be able to pay for two months of maternity leave

per mom. But very quickly, God just showed his blessing and support of what we were doing. And so we moved forward pretty quickly, and by March, we were able to start housing. housing moms and apartments. Wow. And so we have five families currently. This is our first year. That you're housing in apartments or rent homes.

And that's kind of just the space that we're sitting in in this middle ground of like being able to do ministry right now with resources that we have. And we continue to do support groups on a weekly basis and help them with bills and rent and car troubles and childcare. Which is, which it looks a lot different. right now from what it's going to be. Right. To add a little bit of what Aubrey is talking about, we thought of this idea because

we're very hospitable people. We've always been that way from the beginning of our marriage. We always tried to find a way to have an extra room in our house for people in need. And we did single, like, hone in on crisis pregnancies just because we had been heavily involved with human coalition and young lives in our community. And our church, the village church, is very strongly about not just, you know, yelling out, we're pro life, pro life, but they get in those areas where people are in need and they help them. So it's just always been in our DNA since we've been married.

But we also love, we've always wanted to own acreage and have a little, you know, small functioning ranch for our and we thought, well, if God's calling us to do this, and we need an area for moms to heal and to be in a private area, to be safe, and also have some kind of therapy, nature therapy. We call it farm therapy, which is a real thing. And we thought, well, let's just combine the two. And we then realized when we logistically looked at what we would need, we realized, oh, man, We actually need a ranch. And so we are actively looking for 100 acres or more in the area that we live because we want to stay in the location that all of our resources are in and all of our volunteers.

We have been able to find land that's two hours away, but then now we can't remove the moms from their situation or from their environment and expect them to go right back into it after being gone for a year and a half. So we keep them in their environment. we give them a home, we give them a safe place. We have programs that they are going to be a part of that's going to help them with cooking, counseling, stuff with the children, getting them involved in seeing if they want to change their career path, give them the time to do that, all while living on a fully functioning ranch. And then one of our board members convinced us that it would be a really good idea. Nonprofits can still create,

a product that they can sell to cover the nonprofit costs. And so we decided that our set next stage, after we get everything fully functioning, we're going to probably sell cattle and raise the money ourselves, but still have fun. And produce and produce and chickens. And like, we already do that on our property right now. We built a greenhouse on our property. We have half an acre in Argyle. We have a chicken coop that I built and we give eggs to the moms.

We give produce to the moms. it's going to be first for the moms, but then we're going to create an actual product to raise money. And we still will take donations and we'll need donations, but it's definitely going to offset the cost heavily. So where it's literally self-sustaining. That's so huge. That's such a wonderful idea to think, to think in terms of ministry is, okay, how can we actually make this self-sustaining? Right. That's huge.

Because that's what we want to teach the moms. Exactly. That's the big part of like the pregnancy, of course, is the crisis, you know, because that's when someone, many of these moms are met with, especially since we serve moms that already have kids, there's not first-time moms. In fact, most of our moms are older. Our youngest mom is 27 and our oldest is 41. So they've already been moms for a long time and then are somehow met with a situation where they're pregnant again that could be in a abusive marriage or a relationship, or they are divorced moms and then had a boyfriend and happened to get pregnant again.

and then just those men in their lives were like either violent to the point of like we have to leave to protect my children and my baby or completely abandon them. And so that's not so far outside of the scope of understanding, especially myself as a mom that like, like how would I do this if I didn't have a loving supporting system around me as I do and I have two children? How would I make that? I mean, I would want to make the choice for life and I would. but like what is the cost of then how do I continue that? And so the purpose of what we try to do differently is that one year of after the baby's birth, all the way until the new baby's first birthday, to give the moms the time to create a new life plan with, yeah, like Brian said, maybe that's a different job training and trajectory.

Like we have moms that do just survival jobs like working at gas stations or cleaning homes or something like that. And that's not something that they can sustain for another. 20 years. I mean, they already don't get to see their kids enough since they're working moms. And if they're not even making enough to survive, it makes that decision more difficult. So it's not often a decision that they're faced with because of convenience. It's more of a, I don't know how I'm going to survive with my children I currently have. And I know what a blessing children are, but like, I don't know how I'm supposed to face this. And so that's where we felt called to step in was to be able to create a space that then also helps them transform their

to be self-sufficient and independent. And so we want to give them the tools while we also do that for the ranch itself. Yeah, that's so practical. Now, when it comes to, you know, kind of the long-term vision that you all have, so are you picturing that, you know, you're going to have the ranch

and there'll be, you know, multiple homes set up where women can come and live during the course of that year with their newborn baby, how many homes would be on that property, you think? So I'll speak on this a little bit because this will be what I'm the director of, which is operations and ranch care, simply because in this ministry, it's difficult to be able to minister one-on-one to women who have been abused by men. And so I'm definitely a behind-the-scenes servant kind of guy. Which is very important.

Yes. And I like that. I don't need to be in the spot. spotlight or anything like that. But what we plan on doing is having what I would like to see is between a venture, like the build out of 100 acres, you could only have between 15 to 20 homes. But they would be, they wouldn't. Cottages.

Cottages. They'd be probably a thousand square feet. Like they're not going to be massive, but they will be efficient. Only because there's going to be a lot of people living on this property. But then we will also have a very large and because. Because we're in Texas, we're going to have a barn dominium-type large community center to definitely set the mood right. Make it feel like Texas. They wake up randomly like, I guess I'm in Texas.

I see that, I see that, I see that. I see that. Here the roosters growing in the background. So we will have a community center and then we will have at least three host homes with our family being one of them that will be in the surrounding the cottages just kind of as protection. but there's also going to need to be families that have a husband and wife and children that are doing certain jobs on the ranch, whether it's the ranch work or ministry work, and having time with the families and taking care of the families, so that these mom and children can see that a healthy, stable, Christ-centered family

is beautiful and is helpful and is what is the norm. Now, a lot of these women won't possibly have that. But as long as there are families around these kids where we can invest time into them and change the legacy of their trajectory and help these kids learn and understand who God is, how much he loves them, and then how other people are meant to help other people. And so these children will grow up much better planned to face life. knowing that they have support and love and care. And so host homes are very important on there.

And then there's obviously going to be an actual barn for, you know, livestock work and a shop. I need my shop. Yeah, you've got to have your workshop. I just think one of the biggest things that got impressed upon us as we were doing this was, as Brian kind of mentioned, but like I think so often the abortion topic is taken outside of the realm of men. Like you don't have a say, you don't have a purpose.

in this fight. But, I mean, when I see these moms and the five that we have, currently that we take care of, it is the men that have put them in this situation. And it is difficult and it's hard. And so I absolutely think men have a role. And I think to be able to fight, especially for the moms, but the children that were in that difficult living situation that have not had supportive fathers, for them to be able to see positive male role models that can, who do it, who live out, like, this is what it looks like to care for a family and to take care of your family and to love and serve and provide.

They don't probably get that as much, or at least they have an opposing view of what men should be. And I think when you see families grow up without a positive male role model, it becomes a problem. And so that's a big part of it. The host homes, there's another part of our program that's really dear to my heart is we have a grandparent program, where I specifically ask for men and women who are empty nesters to step into that role of kind of almost adoptive grandparents. And they just get to come and be grandparent roles to these families. Because most of them, the reason they're in this situation is they don't have grandparents that are alive or supportive. And really when you look at the social structure of families in any culture, when you have grandparents, they play a big role if the mother is a single mother.

And if you don't have that, then they're left to their own. I mean, grandparents have such profound influence on their grandchildren. And when you don't have that, it's a huge loss. And so we want to be able to provide that through our volunteers. People don't realize sometimes how truly alone some of these moms are. Yeah. They have literally no one to go to. And so when you're facing a hardship, and this does get into more of the fact that we are in a time this week where abortion is definitely in the news, you know, it is never okay to take a child's life because of anything.

But I can definitely, I will never know what it's like for a mom that cannot support even her existing children. and now be pregnant and not know what to do. And feel forced. And I cannot imagine that fear and that pain. And that's why there are a lot of women who we've spoken to that did get abortions and they had guilt. They were not happy about it. There are not a lot of women out there that want to do this. There are lots of women that are in desperate need that need help.

and it's it's just devastating that we that we that this culture doesn't think first of how we can help the mom. Our pastor, Matt Chandler, down at our church in Flower Mountain, amazing advocate for pro-life movement, but also very gracious and kind toward the women. And he helped us realize that there are over 130 pregnancy advocacy centers in Texas alone, 130 of where a woman can walk in and say, I can't do this, I need help. And they say, we've got you. There's only 18 abortion clinics. So the narrative where people think that if you're pro-life, you're not pro-woman, is an absolute lie. And so we are making this now become a culture shift.

and we're going to help people see that there are things that even regular people like Aubrey and myself. So normal. We're like as normal as can be. Like I'm not popular. I'm not rich. I'm not a celebrity. Like I've got, I'm not really anything. And we started this just on our own.

And the community support around it can really help people see that this can be multiplied anywhere. Yeah. Anywhere. It does. It just, it starts in your home. I mean, you just invite people. to dinner and maybe even, you know, making it a regular thing. If this is something on your heart to serve single pregnant moms,

and you're like, I don't know what to do, reach out to your pregnancy centers and be like, hey, I just want to host dinner once a week or once a month and start creating a community in a space where even after these moms have left the pregnancy center and their resources, like they still feel like they have community and that you can help provide them some kind of safety. Because that's really what we all want is all of us is to feel safe and to be in a community where we feel known.

Well, and I love that you all have taken such a practical approach. You've seen a need and you've said, hey, I think we can meet that need. And you've stepped up in practical ways. And as you both mentioned right now, of course, the abortion issue, it's front and center. We're hearing arguments for the Dobbs case heard this week. Texas has been in the news repeatedly this year because of the heartbeat bill that bans abortion after a child's heartbeat is detected from the women that you all are talking with who are in these crisis pregnancy situations. Have any of them personally said, hey, I need help now because

of Texas's new legislation because of this law? What are their thoughts? What are the thoughts you're hearing from women in Texas about the heartbeat bill? So I really feel like God put this on our hearts, kind of going back to Esther, you know, and referencing for such a time as this, because we started this before the heartbeat bill. I mean, the vision was given to us back in 2020, and we started, of the five moms that we currently have, we had four of them before the heartbeat bill. And the fifth one is only more recently. And so they aren't personally affected by the Hartview Bill, but I can tell you that being on kind of the ground floor of this, I get one to three applications a week.

Oh, wow. And just because, I mean, we're brand new, you know, I can't take them. You know, we don't have the, I mean, I mean, the funding to support the moms that we do have is, is amazing. And I can't believe in our first year we've done this. But, I mean, I work with a network of other maternity homes and other pregnant. advocacy centers in the Dallas area. And, I mean, we all have resources and we have to grow those resources to meet the need.

That's just the reality of when abortion will be illegal. Other things have to come and take the place of that. And there are so many pregnancy resource centers that are already out there doing this kind of thing in other maternity homes. But we all need funding and we all need funding. and we all need help. And I honestly believe that more people will rise up to meet this need to create something similar or maybe even totally different, but meeting that same need of these moms because that's the calling. That's where we have to step into this space.

Yeah, well, I think we've heard this debate back and forth with the pro-abortion movement has kind of, for years, been saying to the pro-life movement, well, okay, if Rurvy Wade is overturned, what are you going to do with all? all of those children. What are you going to do with all of those babies? This is what we're going to do. And we're not waiting until that's overturned. Yeah. That's the thing. And here's the unfortunate truth. No matter if it's illegal, it's always going to be here. That's the sad brokenness of this world, this fractured society that we live in, it's still going to exist. But what's going to, in those times, what's still going to be more beneficial and more attractive to a woman, And I hate the word attractive, but it's hard to communicate it.

Even in those times where they're still going to find a way to illegally do abortions, we still have another option. And that's to take care of you and to help you rebuild your life. And that does not matter what the law is. And we will do this. It doesn't matter what the law says unless there's a law that says you can't support women in need, which would be absolute nonsense. And if we all as a country do that, just think how much.

much better this world. To empower single moms. I mean, what's more feminine than that? To be able to empower a mom to have a baby, to have a job that she can do, to be able to take care of her other children, independent of needing a man to help her. And I think that's what Christ calls us to do, as he says, that, you know, true religion is this to care for orphans and widows. And I think, you know, our modern day widow are these, all of these abandoned and abused single moms. It's all marginalized people. That's what it is because back in the early church, if you were a widow or you were an orphan, you were marginalized.

You are not taken care of. And people don't even realize that there are these women with children that are in such desperate need. And we've simply just opened people's eyes to this. And that's why I think that's why people see what we're doing and read the things in the newspapers of our different segments that people have done and say, what is this? Because that's exactly what we're pulling out of people to help them see and really awaken this desire to care for others in a functional way, not just throw the money. Because that doesn't do it. We're actually helping these women become empowered. And that's very different.

And people will get on board with that. That's why people usually have a disdain for government programs. They don't really work that well. And there's no regulation. It comes down to the person, to the unique people. And I just think, if anything, to encourage anyone listening to this, that, you know, if you feel a calling on your life to do something, I mean, it literally just starts in your home. you know and yeah that's a risk of course that's a risk to invite strangers into your home oh but guess what the Bible says about that too yeah to do it and yeah it takes a step of faith

but I can't tell you I mean the greater joy that comes from creating relationships from people that you didn't know I'll probably get emotional about this you already are yeah um yeah just the people that you learn to love that you didn't know and to step into their worlds and allow them to step into yours. It's very special. I told Mr. Vice President that we just met with before this, and this is what really impacted me when God spoke this to me. Everything about my life, when you were born in America,

you already are born with a lot, even if you are impoverished. this is truly the greatest country in the world and I love this country. But the fact that I was born here with a mother and a father, even though my parents were divorced since I was two, they still loved me and they still had the resources to care for me, give me food, give me clothing, let me go to a good school, teach me about being responsible, loving others, caring for others, every type of education, and then having the ability to go to college, get a job, all these things, I didn't do that. They were given to me.

Of course, I worked hard, but even my ability to work hard was taught by my parents and given to me all this blessing. And there are just some people that were not born with that. And the thing that we have to take away from that is not that they obviously didn't do anything wrong, just that I didn't do anything right to get what I had. But what I am going to do is that God put on my heart that everything that he's given me, I'm now going to try and make that away for someone else. And that is what we're called to do.

And that's also what this ministry is doing. So at this moment in history, what is your message to the pro-life movement? That it has to become personal. And yeah, if you believe in the process of pro-life, then you have to be pro-love and you have to be pro-mom. and you have to enter into that space with her and hear her story and her struggles, her trauma, and be able to sit in that space

and just say, I love you, and I'm here for you, and we're going to help you move through this. There are so many women that want that. Unfortunately, there are women who have become so traumatized that they don't realize that they do want that. And that's a hard space to also sit in when you can't help someone if they don't want to help themselves,

but there are so many women who need a hand up and not a handout, and they just need that time and that space and that security to be able to grow. And you have to, and that's a, that takes something from you, you know. And so if you are one of those people that you're like, I want to do something, it has to be creating a sense of space and community. and if, you know, for other people that will be doing the thing and for other people that will be funding the thing. But you have to step into that space and be like, okay, well, I will open my home once a month. And I will let my local pregnancy resource center know that I want to invite these moms in.

We're going to cook food and have a dinner together. And I want to sit and hear their stories. And then when I hear their needs, because they will have needs. They will have massive amount of needs, whether that's car. trouble or child care or jobs or they don't know how to write a resume or any of that. Like then being able to, I don't, Brian and I don't do this by ourselves. We have a huge amount of volunteers that do this with us. It's overwhelming how much support we have.

But people want to use their giftings to help other people. And so you just start from who you know. And then you talk to your, you know, your church or your community or wherever. And you're like, okay, well, I know so-and-so who can help you with it. and you just start connecting people. And that's the biggest way that you can help is just doing it for yourself. For those listening who, you know, maybe they live in Texas, maybe they live in California. They live in New Hampshire.

And they're saying, I want to help what you all are doing at Blue Haven Ranch. I want to be a part of this. What do you all need? And then how do they get the information if they want to send you a check? How do they do that? Right. For locals in Texas, if they want to volunteer, how do they do that? Yeah.

So our website is pretty simple. It's just bluehaven ranch.org. We're also on Instagram and Facebook at Blue Haven Ranch. And you can donate on our website. Yeah. And we are a fully IRS 501C3 organization on our own. Yeah. And what is the most pressing need right now?

Right now is literally, for the five moms that we have, we're six months funded. in this current operation. And we house them currently in apartments because we don't have the land. So if I would say there was two needs, I would say the first need is the fact that I can't take any more moms until I stay more and more funded because housing a mom and paying for all their bills is a big upfront cost. And so with all the applications that I had to turn a mom down this week, I don't have the resources to bring her in. And so, I mean, literally if you wanted to make a difference, it costs us $3,000. a month per family to support them. It's a lot of resources.

That's up front. Now, the more resources that I get, we have the programming in place. I just need to be able to pay for the housing because that's where they're needing is that safe space to live. So that's the immediate need is to continue growing the space that we can add more moms to the program. But really, the long-term goal is we need the land. The land is, the ranch is the vision. that's where the community aspect, the safety, the healing is going to be most effective. And so we do need, we have begun campaigning to take in money for the ranch specifically,

but it is going to require a lot of money. And I always say we want to give these women the best of the best, not just the extras. And so we are wanting to get the land in the area that we have our resources, which are our volunteers, and then the jobs and education for these moms and the schools for the kids. We can't be two hours away. It's just not possible. And so the land is more expensive, close to the city, and we don't care. God can give us the money because it's his money anyway.

So we're looking for just the land alone for 100 acres is between 3 and 5 million. And then to build out that many homes. We're not going to build all 20 homes at once. but to build the community barn, the host homes, the sewage systems, all that stuff. I mean, we've been in contact with several people that are going to help us is another $5 million. So we're looking at least $10 million. But again, that's at a $10 million upfront cost for an organization that is eventually going to be self-sustaining primarily over time, which is amazing to just give $10 million. dollars and you're actually changing an entire community's way that they help support moms without

having to just continue to dump money into it and of course we're going to still take some donations but we want to be self-sustaining so those are our current needs is current funding for taking care of moms and then the buildout so for the build out alone it's at least 10 million tell us your website one more time yes it's bluehaven ranch.org and you can send a check you can write the check to Blue Haven Ranch for however much you want to give. And it's tax deductible and everything because we're 511C3. But there's an online donating platform too. At bluehaven ranch.

org. Thank you both so much. This has been an honor. Really, really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for letting us speak about it. Oh, of course. They were really passionate about this. I can tell.

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