The Daily Signal - The Daily Signal Presents "Problematic Women" - Cancel Culture Turns On Its Own After Charlie Kirk Death, But Some Elites Knew Better

Episode Date: September 21, 2025

Jimmy Kimmel’s commentary surrounding the assassination of Charlie Kirk was disturbing and inaccurate, but quite frankly not surprising. What was a surprise, however, was the outpouring of love and honor that many A list celebrities and social media influencers have shown in the days following Kirk’s death on Sept. 10.     “I disagreed with him on almost every point I ever heard him say, but I believe he was a man of faith,” actress Jamie Lee Curtis said of Kirk on the “WTF” podcast while choking back tears. “And I hope in that moment when he died that he felt connected to his faith.”    Actor Chris Pratt shared a video prayer and then encouraged his followers to stop scrolling and instead get outside or call a friend. Singer Justin Bieber wrote about a spiritual battle for the mind in a post on Instagram after Kirk passed.     Jeffree Star, social media influencer and creator of Jeffree Star Cosmetics was streaming live on social media when he found out Kirk had been shot. Immediately he condemned the shooting and spoke out in support of free speech. When Star received criticism from some of his followers for condemning the assassination, he was quick to respond.     “Because I’m standing up for someone that passed away, I’m now being called names in the chat. This is what’s wrong with a lot of you people. You will never get far in life. You are sick in the head,” Star shot back.     Some who have spoken out in celebration of Kirk’s death, or made highly controversial comments over the tragedy, have lost their jobs as a result.     Charlie Rock, Carolina Panthers NFL communications staffer, lost his job for a social media post he made after Kirk’s death.   “Why are y'all sad? Your man said it was worth it,” Rock said.     American Airlines fired a pilot who reportedly wrote on social media: “Well hey Charlie. Sorry you got shot in your fat f—— forehead. It was just the cost of our liberty. ‘Thoughts and prayers.'”    And now, most notably, ABC suspended Kimmel’s late-night show after the comedian made light of Kirk’s assassination and inaccurately joked that the shooter was “MAGA.”    “The MAGA gang (is) desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” Kimmel said.    Unlike Kimmel, the vast majority of Americans, including many celebrities, recognize that Kirk’s assassination was evil and a dark moment in American history.    This Sunday, tens of thousands of Americans will gather at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Ariz., for Kirk’s memorial service and thousands more are expected to stream the ceremony live on Kirk’s Rumble. Speakers at the memorial include President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. Kirk’s widow, Erika Kirk, will also speak and Christian worship artists Chris Tomlin, Brandon Lake, Phil Wickham, Kari Jobe Carnes, and Cody Carnes will perform.   Enjoy the show!  Keep Up With The Daily Signal   Sign up for our email newsletters:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.dailysignal.com/email⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠     Subscribe to our other shows:    The Tony Kinnett Cast: ⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL2284199939⁠ The Signal Sitdown: ⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL2026390376⁠   Problematic Women:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL7765680741⁠   Victor Davis Hanson: ⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL9809784327⁠     Follow The Daily Signal:    X:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://x.com/intent/user?screen_name=DailySignal⁠ Instagram:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/thedailysignal/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Facebook:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/TheDailySignalNews/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Truth Social:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://truthsocial.com/@DailySignal⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/dailysignal?sub_confirmation=1⁠    Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform and never miss an episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We'd love to talk. Business. Hey, this is Virginia Allen, and I'm excited to share this episode of Problematic Women, one of the Daily Signals, other podcasts. Each episode, we navigate the biggest stories in politics and culture, and we have a lot of fun doing it, too. If you like what you hear today, make sure to subscribe to Problematic Women for weekly episodes. Welcome back to this week's episode of Problematic Women. It's been one week since Charlie Kirk's assassination, and it has sparked global outrage and has brought out some of the most unorthodox

responses from very high profile people. And we've seen some really surprisingly positive and shockingly sane responses from celebrities like Justin Bieber, Jamie Lee Curtis, especially makeup artist Jeffrey Starr. We're going to get to that later. But also we are seeing some things that we absolutely expect from celebrities, namely Jimmy Kimmel with his absolute smear, possible FCC violation. And he got canned this week. We're reveling in it. But is it a free speech violation or is it a long time coming? We're going to get to all of that and more today on problematic women. Welcome back. I'm Elise McHugh. I'm Morgan. I'm Virginia Allen. I'm Crystal Bonham. Well, it is good to be back with you all. It is, gosh, I mean, it's like, wow, so much has happened

just in this week since we all last spoke and joined around this table. Crystal, it's great to have you jumping back in with us this week. I think we have to start with what, in my opinion, was the biggest news of the week, and that is that Erica Kirk is the new CEO and chairman of the board of Turning Point USA. And when I heard the news, it felt obvious to me that there was literally no other choice for this position. Did you guys feel the same way? Oh, absolutely.

After watching her speech on Friday night last week and just hearing her conviction and seeing her anger and her meeting the conservative movement where it's at, where we're not just going to sing kumbaya and hold hands with the left and say, we all need to. to come together in both sidesisms, but as she was like, if you thought that you were going to silence our movement, you have no idea what's coming. And especially hearing that Charlie Kirk in a clip before said that she is more conservative and more base than he is. I'm like, hell, yes, this is exactly what we need. Erica Kirk for president. Like, she gives my full support. Oh, it's 100% true to that clip that Erica is more conservative than Charlie and just their relationship

really embodied just everything. Like Erica supported Charlie through all of Turning Point USA and all of his personal endeavors and Charlie supported Erica and that was something that made their relationship so special. And I mean, I know all the board members at Turning Point, you know, just working there the past four years. And it was not just the right decision. It was the only decision. I know it's the decision that Charlie would have handpicked and there really was nobody else who was put on this earth other than Charlie to take over this organization. Like Erica is just the perfect fit. And I know that like she will truly carry his legacy on forever and make sure of it. I love it too, not to make it political, but, you know, we're up against this kind of radical reimagining of what once was the feminist movement who paint the right as these misogynist women haters that, you know, like women, we just belong in the kitchen and that's the only role for us in civil society.

And then you have this strong woman that just proves behind every accomplished strong man is a strong woman. And so it's been really, really exciting to watch her really step into this role. And it's a role that I don't think Erica truly ever thought she would have to step into. Like, she loves her children more than anything. I know she's posted a couple of videos of her like homeschooling her kids. And I know that she loves more than anything being a mother and being a wife. And this is something that I know just where her heart is with God and just the woman that she is that, you know, she knows that this is what she has to do.

And putting aside, you know, what the state-at-home mom life is and keeping her life. and keeping her life in the shadows. And that's something that I've always respected about the Kirk family is how truly private they are. And that's what, if you go on social media, you won't see a photo of their children's faces. And I think that's something so beautiful is they've always protected the family

and protected their marriage that way. But Erica, being so bold and strong to come out and now taking on this role as something just super beautiful. It's really beautiful. And it's been beautiful to watch so many celebrities, people of influence. Put politics aside.

and say I'm going to speak out and use my platform to just speak truth in this moment like Charlie did and to recognize that an amazing man and amazing father and amazing leader was just killed in a heinous way and I have personally been really encouraged. People are just like, I'm just not going to be silent anymore and they're getting backlash for it. But I'm so impressed that they're willing to just speak truth and really, to speak truth that was the truth that Charlie spoke. And some of these responses are honestly pretty bare minimum,

but it's surprising and a little saddening, but also good that we kind of expect them not to do the bare minimum. So when they do, we're like, oh my gosh, yes, like a return to sanity. Specifically, one of the celebrity responses that really got to me this week was Justin Bieber. Now, I don't know if you guys know this. I mean, Morgan, you and I are big fans of Justin Bieber. But he's the same age as Charlie Kirk. and he has a son the same age as Charlie Kirk's son,

both born in May of 2024. And Justin Bieber, as we have discussed, he's been on his own personal journey and has battled his own demons. And he was born and raised a Christian, and he has spoken about that. He's been very upfront about it. And he posted something this week

that really spoke to me. And I've heard a lot of people from Megan Kelly, Greg Gutfeld, all these commentators say this. So to hear this from Justin Bieber was pretty mind-blowing. In all caps, he posted on Instagram, two days ago. There has been a mighty battle going on for control of your mind. Heaven and Earth intersect in your mind. The tugs of both spheres influence your thinking.

And then he keeps on going about that. But that phrase, like a battle in your mind for your spirit and spiritual warfare specifically has been something that we have heard a lot because it's not just, oh, like this guy didn't like what Charlie Kirk had to say and then he decided he had to go, even though that is what the texts revealed. But between that and then between the things that were engraved on the bullet casings. then even go back to the enunciation shooting, we see some real demonic stuff going on here. It's deeper, and there's a reason that Charlie Kirk got shot underneath a banner that was like, what is saying, Jesus is king or Jesus is lore, something like that.

Yeah. Like there's some really heavy spiritual warfare symbolism going on, even if you don't agree. That's just out there. And there are also other celebrities, like you were telling me Virginia, who have also been joining in prayer against this. this. It's not just a political thing. It's a spiritual thing. I think that's been powerful thing to watch. It's like we all kind of knew Charlie Kirk in some ways first as being that political side. But so much of what he talked about, as we've discussed here, was his faith. He was so open. And so that's generated just this incredible outpouring of people saying, above all

else, let's turn to God right now. And so Chris Pratt, shortly after Charlie Kirk's assassination, hopped on social media and prayed on social media. I'm just going to play a clip of it here because it is just kind of wild to see a celebrity as big of this just saying, okay, let's just pause and stop in prayer. Lord, fill me with strength to turn my attention toward you that I find rest and joy in your presence. Amen. Okay, now you can continue strolling

or you can turn your phone off. and go outside. Might I suggest the latter. Go get some sunshine. Go look at a tree, touch some grass. Call a friend. If you've got time to be on your phone right now, you've got time to do your to-do list,

and you've got time to reach out to somebody in need and share this prayer with them. Amen. More of that. So much more. I did have to. After really not that long, I had to shut everything off for a while.

I was like, I can't do this. Like, it's just no brain. should have to intake that at all. And I think it's around something so emotional. It just gets weary sometimes hearing opinion after opinion. Even sometimes the positive ones, you're like, I just want to sit in grief for a second. I don't need another dot take.

And the conspiracies, too, as something, I mean, I know Charlie's team personally. So when you're seeing on Twitter just conspiracies pop up of individual people that you know, I was looking at this. And I'm like, this is so heartbreaking. Like, this is a tragedy. And it's almost like I just wish everyone could have just stopped for a day and been like, let's just pray about this. And like we don't need to make it political yet.

And like, you know, it's all going to happen. The clips are going to come out. They're going to find the shooter. And it's it was same thing. Like I had to shut it off. It was just like an overwhelming amount of opinions. But in light of that, like seeing people like Chris Pratt, Justin Bieber post, I even saw Maddie Pruitt posted. And she's somebody who's always been a very staunch Christian speaking out about.

And I honestly wish more of these like Christian influencers posted about it because it's, it is a spiritual warfare. And it was unfortunate in my eyes seeing so many Christians not post about it or even Christians saying like, I don't know what God you guys all believe in. But like, pretty modifiers. Well, I don't agree with Charlie but. But that's like no. It doesn't matter if you agreed or didn't agree. He was a Christian man, a husband and a father. And that's the point that I feel like not enough people were driving home of like his.

his politics meant nothing in this situation right now. It is who he is as a person and the people who know him are telling you this is who he is. And he was a Christian above anything else. Like you can watch any of his videos. You can disagree with his opinions all you want. But he was a Christian and all of his beliefs came from the Bible. So if you're also saying that you're a Christian and you're like, but I don't agree with him. Like I honestly reflect on what your beliefs really are.

And that was something that I guess was frustrating for me to even see just in the Christian community is the backlash that people who were speaking out about it. We're getting. And then the lack thereof of some Christians who have a platform not speaking out. I know like Stephen Ferdick of Evelation, Elevation Church, he did not say anything. And that sparked outrage rightfully so. And then you saw other pastors speaking out. And I believe it's true. If you're a pastor on Sunday didn't even say a word about Charlie Kirk, I don't really think you're going to a church. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and to that point, Morgan, it has been, As I've been saying, like, it's beautiful to see individuals who have a platform say, um, politics aside, let's focus on the fact that this was a good man and his faith.

And Jamie Lee Curtis did this on the WTF podcast, just in a pretty powerful statement. I disagreed with him on almost every point I ever heard him say. Yeah. But I believe he was a man of faith. And I hope in that moment when he died that, that he felt connected to his faith. Yeah, and just celebrity is getting really emotional. And at least you flagged for me.

So there's an influencer, makeup artist, Jeffrey Star. If you know him, you know him, because once you've seen him, you'll never forget him. He's this tall, skinny man who has, like, bright pink hair. He's had different hair colors throughout his life. You would, okay, I'll love Jeffrey. You would think he's transgender. But he has said many, many times in his career. career. He was like, I'm just a man who likes to do makeup and make videos about it. But he renounces

all of that stuff. And he actually, he's such an odd bird. He moved to what, Montana? Wyoming. Wyoming and started a yak farm just randomly. Because why not? Star yak ran. Like you would see. Does he sell like the Himalayan dog chews? Because I get those for my dog. I think he was like, be jerky. Yeah. He sells. I don't know. But if you're not watching this on YouTube or Rumble, I highly encourage it because unless you're going to go and independently search up Jeffrey Star. You need to see this to believe in a little. You need to see this man. He spoke out about Charlie Kirk and here's just what he had to say. Yeah. So he had an initial statement that was really talking about just the weight of what happened. He started getting backlash and then he had

something to say to those who were sending him some of that backlash. Because I'm standing up for someone that passed away, I'm now being called names in the chat. This is what's wrong with a lot of you people. You will never get far in life. You are sick in the head. Someone just said they're unsubscribing from me. Thank God. Please, because if you believe in vain thems, you're part of the problem. If you're so stupid enough to go against science, please unfollow me. Okay. So yes.

He's saying what we're all thinking. Means is no words. And what I always loved about Jeffrey is he has always rejected the liberal woke ideologies. Did he agree with Charlie Kirk on every single conservative policy? Absolutely not. He didn't. But he has always said, listen, I'm just a dude who is gay. and I like makeup and he's made an empire and he's never backed down from what he just said from science

and he has always branded that to his audience with authenticity and realness and I respect that so so much and I actually had seen his TikTok that he had posted he found out about Charlie's assassination while on a live stream and he immediately was reacting of this is so wrong I can't believe this is happening and he was reading parts of the chat and just saying shame on you guys guys for thinking this. And on that Pierce Morgan episode that he was talking with, I know Riley Gaines and I think Gillian Michaels are also on that episode. Jeffrey was speaking out how he's lost hundreds of thousands of followers, but is gaining hundreds and thousands more. And he made it very clear. It's not about the followers. It's about the truth. And it's about what's actually going on

in this country and how it just makes him sick. And yeah, I think we need more people with platforms speaking out for that. Absolutely. You see a lot of people in the political world, especially, trying to comment on this and saying this isn't a left issue or a right issue and I don't disagree this is about truth and evil right when you boil it down and the the image that comes to my mind I've been seeing floating around social media lately is the video from the George Floyd riots and the videos from the Charlie Kirk prayer vigils it's like the number of people who literally getting goosebumps right now just like what the number of people who've made comments for years this we're coming off of years of the left and the mainstream media coming at us saying the right is what's wrong with

the world. The right is responsible for political violence. When time and again, you can list them out, it's the radical political left that are responsible for these heinous acts. Absolutely. And I feel like that's been the national story now. It's been over a week out of this really huge tragedy. The conversation has shifted to how are people reacting? And it's not a right and left thing because we see humanity in the left a lot in their reaction to this. But a lot of them, even from the jump, they did not show their humanity. And as more information comes out about this,

they show that they're doubling down on their disrespect for human life and disrespect for their American brothers and sisters. And we see this with Jimmy Kimmel, formerly Jimmy Kimmel live host. We hit some new lows over the weekend with the Maga Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk is anything other than one of them

and doing everything they can to score political points from. Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. And so out of touch with the American people. Just casually violating FCC codes of conduct on, what is it, news distortion. Yep. Let us not forget when Jimmy Kimmel was crying on air over gun violence and talking about George Floyd riots.

And that's what's so despicable, honestly, about Hollywood. And I even know that the Emmys that happened this week, they had no mention of Charlie Kirk at all, not even as like, you know, a culture person, not as a political person, not even as of a man of faith, like just zero mention of it. I think there was a clip where it was like, you know, something happened this week, but they like didn't mention at all what happened. And to me, it just like, that's where Hollywood is at. Like, they hate you.

And I want everyone to know that they hate you and they will continue to hate you. And I also know that Jimmy Kimmel Show is actually planned to be canceled next year in general. but this just spent that process up. So this morning, too, I was listening to Glenn Beck's radio show. I've listened to him for like ever, ever since I was like literally a child. My dad loved him when he was a boomer. I am like the boomer of the group. I love it.

But he was like live on his radio show asking his producer like pull up his rankings or ratings. He's like, what's the word? And amongst broadcast, he was like best case scenario in the 90s. And most of the listings had him like 120 something. it's like, brother. You're losing. Yeah.

You're not relevant. That's my hot take on this. I think he could have gotten away with it if he was funnier, if he's more entertaining, but he's been hemorrhaging viewers. He pales in comparison to Greg Gutfeld. He is part of like the Hollywood glitterati. They would have let him, even that gross comment, they would have let it slide if he was bringing in money, but he absolutely is not anymore.

And this is honestly best case scenario for him because now he can be a martyr and big bad Trump bullied me when his show was going to get canceled anyway because it sucked. it was costing ABC and Next Star so much money. Charlie even tweeted in 2017, Jimmy Kimmel, you're not funny. Yeah. Yeah. So it's personal.

So it is personal. But even I wanted to bring up, because you brought up Glenn Beck, and he actually recently hosted the Charlie Kirk show, which I love that Erica even proclaimed in her speech that I know we're going to get to a little bit later, is that the Charlie Kirk show will not end, and we've seen a bunch of just great political activists and radio hosts,

host the show, and Glenn Beck hosted the show. And the vice president. And the vice president. president. We saw J.D. Vance host the show, but something about special that was about the Glenn Beck episode the other day was that he actually brought out Rush Limbaugh's microphone and put it on Charlie's desk right next to his microphone. And anyone who knows Charlie knows that he has been listening to, he had been listening to Rush since the very beginning and getting in his life. Charlie's closer to my age. Yeah. Big Rush babies. And he, and I remember hearing a story about how he wanted his radio show to be like. Rush LaMaw show. And so seeing that interaction, he also looked out to Glenn Beck as well. And so that was just a special moment that I wanted the viewers know. These are just beautiful moments.

Like big full circle moments that I think as we're all still mourning this. Everyone doesn't matter how long you knew Charlie. But it's just there's something so healing about the titans of our industry, the Glennbecks, the benched piroes, Michael Knowles. You had all the turning point guys, like all those guys hosting the show. and training off. It's beautiful. Megan Kelly was today, the Daily Wire crew with even Matt Walsh was on the show

with Michael Knowles and Ben Shapiro the other day. I think I mentioned Megan Kelly, but it's a really beautiful moment that everyone's really coming together to continue to push his legacy forward and make him not forgotten. And Morgan, I've just been fascinated to hear from you just the strength of the Turning Point crew, that family that, you know, for the whole country is grieving. but for those, of course, who work so closely with Charlie, that grief is different. It's deeply, deeply personal. And yet, the work continues.

And yet there's this call and there's this mandate to keep the podcast going. Erica has said, you know, there's still going to be a tour. And, you know, they're still doing their big conference in December. All these things are still happening. And that requires people. That requires labor. And it's coming from the people who are grieving. Every single staff member at Turning Point USA is putting in now actually.

work in light of even grieving. And that's something that the resilience of even what I've seen from the Charlie Kirk show team specifically who have been working with him for years. I mean, since the beginning of his show or some people that are on that team with his just audiovisual equipment and who have known Charlie for years, they flew to D.C. to make sure that the J.D. interview happened. They are making it happen even going through this grief process. And it really does show just the resilience of the turning point in the Charlie Kirk family, turning point action family. It's like the mission has only grown to an exponential level that none of us even thought

would happen this soon. I don't even think Charlie could have imagined that it would have happened this soon, but seeing how everyone has now, you know, going through the grieving process together as a turning point family and making it happen. Well, let's put a pin in that for a second because I think one thing that we wanted to make sure we talked about today that we discussed beforehand was the future of the movement. which, you know, again, to reiterate, like, we're all navigating this. This is rough and raw and real for all of us.

And so it can feel really transactional, at least from me, to be like, okay, like, I've known Charlie for over a decade. We were, like, running around campus with Tyler Boyer and, like, some of the OGs, Brandon Schubert, like, in Nevada and Arizona, like, starting campus chapters arguing, me, more libertarian, like, Big Guff sucks isn't good enough. Like, oh, we're like, arguing, whatever. but it's like it's true and it just it feels very transactional to like sit here and and be working in this industry full time being like okay but what's next what do we have to do

like how do we keep the momentum going right and so it's like it just it doesn't feel like we have had enough time to regroup but we don't get that time churley is up there pushing us forward making sure that we don't have the time he's like capitalize on this you guys like don't like don't let my martyrdom be for nothing. So do you guys have the latest numbers? I don't know if we wrote them down, but even just from the turning point side of things, do you know where we're at?

54,000 chapters have been requested to happen in our country. How many were there before last week? So before last week there were about 1,200 high school chapters and about 900 college chapters, which is insane. And that's something that even Charlie would say. when I would visit at investor presentations and things like, yeah, our high school program is growing bigger than our college program because colleges love to push back against us. And the Turning Point

USA High School program was rebranded into Club America because what high school is going to reject Club America. Yeah. But you're going to have a gay straight alliance club. You're going to have Democrat and Socialist Club, whatever. America Alliance. Club America. And Charlie said that just this last year, I remember him very vividly saying, you know, Club America will be on every single high school in America. We'll make it happen. Someday, it may not be for a decade. It may not be for two decades, but we'll make it happen. What is so beautiful about that number of 54,000 chapters that have been requested to start is there are only 32,500 high school and colleges or high school public. There are 32,500 high schools in our country and about 4,000 for your universities.

Wow. Wow. So we're there. So we're there. as we can cultivate it well. And that is my number one prayer right now is with the culture movement that is happening and that, you know, as Turning Point is continuing to push his legacy and make sure that these chapters are cultivated on these college campuses is that the individuals that have decided to charter these chapters, that they make sure that they thrive, that they get their communities together. And that's always what Turning Point has been about is the grassroots of boots on the ground going to these towns going to these cities getting in the high schools getting in the colleges

and giving these students a community of like-mindedness and cultivate an environment where they can talk about politics have free speech free markets all that stuff and it's possible that every single town in america could have a turning point us i chapter yeah so i think it's really exciting too because from the heritage standpoint like we've been around for over 50 years now right so a very much a legacy institution in the movement. And like just I think it's really special to I've seen like the start of turning point and the growth, which is amazing. And now it's kind of like, okay, how do we as the legacy movement also wrap our arms

around turning point and the work that you guys are doing even more so than ever before. But then also make sure that, you know, one thing Charlie was really passionate about, became more passionate about over the years was like ballot chasing and like getting people to turn out to vote. And it's like, like we've talked about how this isn't. necessarily a right-left issue. But ultimately, at the ballot box, when you go to pull one of those levers, you're pulling the lever for one agenda or another, right? And how do we as a movement continue to cultivate real conservative values, especially heading in? We have a big midterm

election next year, right? Like, the momentum is going to be a big thing to hang on to. Well, I'm super excited during midterms, during next year that there's going to be basically like another R&C type. event that the Republicans are going to hold to really energize the base. And I'm sure there is going to be a huge memorial and just time to honor Charlie Kirk turning point USA and all the millions of people that he's inspired there. So that is going forward. That's what is next. I don't know about just in general, but that is something I'm looking forward to.

And I think that's exactly it. We have to reach people where they're at. We can't just expect people to like, you know, grow up and become. conservative like the joke says like you're Democrat when you're younger you become more conservative when so you have to start paying taxes like you have to instill that young because we've seen a lot of cases especially a lot of these people celebrating his death it doesn't wear off sometimes so like how are we going to help people recognize these inherent values and that's a good first step in energizing the youth and energizing the republicans that is a really good

first step and I was interested I mean the fact that erika spoke on Friday two days after I almost couldn't believe it. Yeah. She had that strength. But she really kind of gave this mandate. And it, the weight, like, wouldn't have mattered if Trump had said it, if Vance had said it, like would not have had the same effect to have Charlie Kirk's widow stand up and give the American people a mandate.

It's like, yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Locking in. Yeah, seriously. And I just want to play this. clip for a minute because it really it just kind of gives me chills that he was so proud of will go on and in a world filled with chaos doubt and uncertainty my

husband's voice will remain and it will ring out louder and more clearly than ever and his wisdom will endure my favorite my my favorite too but my husband's favorite word in the English language was earn he would call all of you to be people of action who earn the future America deserves. So to all of the young people who felt inspired by my husband's faith in hard work, all of you already know what Charlie would want you to do. You know, you know. I love that we're all sitting here watching this, nodding our heads. To your point, Virginia, yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. You point us in the direction and we are going. And it's like that, don't be silent. It's take action, take time to

personally think like what is my role what can I do whether it's starting a campus chapter uh but like we all have a role and I think like we're going to talk for a second uh for a minute here and we ask you all the question of the week is you know what is your prayer for the country and I think we talked about a little bit last week as well and I think one of my prayers is just that we wouldn't it feels like the Lord has said something heinous has happened what are you going to do now and it's like Lord don't let us miss it. Don't let us miss it. Our country, I think, has an amazing opportunity to turn back to the values we were founded on and above all to turn to Christ right now. And I pray we do not miss it. Here's my question for the table then. I do see a lot of response from the Christian right saying,

hey, I don't know if I'm down with this whole vengeance marching orders. Like we need to exact justice. like why can't we just come together and hold hands and say kumbaya together like isn't that what christ would want us to do so because they're killing us and they cross the line where in the bible did no one pick up their sword and fight back too you know this is this is a time where there is physical and spiritual warfare happening in our country and even around the world of christians being slaughtered in other countries and Christians being attacked in America. And it's like, I am all for praying. I am all for leaning on the Lord for guidance and for direction of, you know,

where do we go next? And I mean, we can see that in the vitals versus, you know, the protest in 2020 of what the right versus the left with the Christians versus the nonbelievers, the good versus the evil look like in plain sight. But I don't think that we can just sit back and. physically do nothing. Spiritually, everyone is praying and turning their eyes to the Lord, but physically what are you doing to ensure that no other conservative is going to get

murdered on anywhere? Anywhere, honestly. And I said this last week when I was very emotional. It was the day after it happened when we were filming this. And it's like, this is a war. And war doesn't mean you're not bringing a sword to a gunfight. and or bringing nothing to a sword fight. And it feels like, you know, that's what the left has continuously brought on us.

And I do think it is our time to fight back. But you don't see, again, kind of back to what we talked about a little bit earlier with this dichotomy between the imagery between the George Floyd riots and the Charlie Kirk prayer vigils. Show me where the right is rising up en masse and being violent. Yeah. It is not happening. So I think people who are coming out. with that argument are they're falling prey to the lie of the left that it's always been our fault

Jimmy Kimmel thinks that we're getting up and shooting one of our own and stuff like that and it's kind of crazy seeing people even some people who aren't necessarily liberal but some of my friends who are like wait the shooter wasn't maga and I'm like no my gosh do you read anything that's not the mainstream media like it's kind of shogging like there's a lot of work yeah to still be done but you're right it's like how are we going to be able to you know represent our our values if they're killing us. And you're walking amongst people, not just like the crazy blue-haired leftists,

but like you're a doctor, your teacher, or you're a driver, and you're thinking, hmm, like, the way that you reacted to this news, like, would you also say the same about me if that happened to me? So it's... I just think, go ahead. I was just say, Charlie brought a microphone to the fight. Yeah. Yeah. He brought

his words. We've all brought our words. Yeah. I would think, like, conservatives bring to the messaging war. Hope. joy, the American dream, trying to paint a picture that you too can have success in life, you too can have a family and find fulfillment in this life, and then ultimately the next. What does the left have to offer? Nileism.

Anger. Anger, hatred, turning people against each other. Like, that is not the core of who Americans are. Yeah. Or humanity for that sake. Yeah. And so, like, have hope, you know. Yeah.

it's messy right now. It's not fun to go outside and walk out on Mondays when we have protests outside of our building every single Monday and wonder, oh, is today the day we get physically assaulted? Like, what's going to happen here? You don't know. But also, we can walk in and out of this building every day and no, we stand for truth.

Yeah. We're here to deliver a message that is hopeful. Absolutely. I want to return to this point one brief time before we move on because I wanted to see your guys' perspectives. and your takes and how you've been explaining in your head into maybe some of your leftist friends how this whole Jimmy Kimmel getting fired for his words

is within the bounds of free speech because I know what I think. I'm pretty sure I know what you guys think but for some viewers who don't really know how to explain that to their friends like what would you say why is this okay or why is it not okay in your guys's opinion? Well I saw I won't take credit for this

but I saw somebody post it's the difference between cancel culture and consequence culture and there's a difference between celebrating and promoting wrong details about a Christian man who was murdered versus being canceled for your genuine, just political beliefs. Like there is a big difference here, and this is something that Jimmy Kimmel went out and blatantly lied on TV as well as many liberals who have, I mean, I think there's over a thousand that have lost their jobs now because of their celebratory actions on the internet of Charlie Kirk. Like, that is not just posting your liberal beliefs. Celebrating an assassination and a murder is not just, oh, I'm posting about my liberal beliefs and you're disrespecting your can. This is now canceled culture.

There is a big difference between those two things. 100%. Yeah. No, I think that's well said. And, you know, we've also, at least we've talked about this, that these are private companies that do get to make choices. and I am glad that there's consequences. And I often say money talks. I think a lot of these decisions are made in boardrooms

because they're looking at, okay, what's the bottom line here? Maybe if we keep the Jimmy Kimmel's on, we're going to risk lawsuits and losing a lot of money. You want to hope really it's just the unraveling of all the DEI in corporate America. Well, I mean, I'll even push back on our own conservative viewpoints. of like when these private companies were even firing conservatives proposing about anti-DEI or critical race theory things. You know, conservatives were fired for their beliefs.

And of course, you can't be legally, like a company can't be discriminatory, but a private company still has the legal bounds to release somebody over a public statement over certain things. And so it's like devil's advocate on both sides. Like, do I love that conservatives have been fired in the past? No. but there I have seen certain instances where legally like it's okay to where I do support it also in this side of yeah a private company if they're speaking out against something so heinously wrong. I can't think though of an example of when a conservative was fired from their job that was as grotesque as the concept of celebrating murder. Oh 100%.

Right. 100%. Totally different. No, I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. But it's just it's like the humane thing is to alert the employer instead of going straight to the authorities and being like, um, question. Yeah, it's like why do we have

HR departments in general? Like if the right was celebrating, if anyone on the right was celebrating, the murder of anyone on the left, you know that SWAT would be showing up at their house. The FBI would be investigating them immediately. So like, the FBI has investigated far less. Yeah, far less. Yeah. It's just like a spectrum thing. Like the cancel culture isn't you're losing your job for speech, period. It's like, in my head, that's not free speech.

It's, well, you're losing your job. because you said something your employers don't like. It's too much of like a legal and monetary liability to them. And it's probably something super small. But yeah, no, it's crazy just seeing the uproar over this. And people being more upset that Jimmy Kimmel lost his job. Is that our question of the week? Should these people lose their jobs?

Oh, that's a good question of the week. That could be good. Sorry. That was good. They were more upset about Sidney's jeans. Yeah. Oh, I've lived a thousand lives since Sidney's been jeans. Then Charlie Kirk being assassinated.

Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Nope, that's accurate. Well, for anyone, I know you all are going to be at the funeral on Sunday in Arizona. For anyone who wants to watch it and stream it, it will be streamed on Charlie Kirk's Rumble account. I think it's at 2 p.m. Eastern time because it's 11 a.m.

in Arizona. So if you want to tune in and watch it, there's literally going to be thousands. Thousands of hundreds of people. This is going to make the heirs tour look small. Thank God. You know, I hope Taylor Swift rolls around and maybe makes a statement. I will say I was actually disappointed in the fact that she said nothing about it. No, because I did a video on this earlier this week.

I'm like, so you were saying that words are violence and silences violence back in 2020 with George Floyd. But she posted the Black Square on Instagram, so she's good to go. That's what every single celebrity could have made just a simple post, even if it was just about violence. if it was about political persecution, if it was even just about, you know, this is wrong, like whatever you wanted to say, but seeing the celebrities who said nothing was very eye-opening for me. Yeah.

Like, you just had to, like, have someone on your team do it. It's really not that hard. I don't get why you wouldn't do that. I'm sorry if you think you're going to lose a bunch of followers of from that, but also a lot more people like Jeffrey Sart said would follow them for the first time. If they're like, oh, they had the guts and the morals to do that. So, yeah, it really comes down to. human. They hate you. As a pop culture

of aficionado, this has been heartbreaking because I do love to indulge in that, but yeah, they hate you. Yeah. Well, for those that are speaking out, continuing to speak out, there is just a massive lineup for who is speaking at the funeral on Sunday. So, of course,

Erica Kirk will be speaking again. This can't believe that she is so strong in speaking out. President Trump will be there. Vice President J.D. Vance, White House Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseff, Director of National Intelligence Talibbard, Trump Jr.

I mean, the list goes on and on, Stephen Miller. It's for me, I think it's this mark of honor that you have this many top U.S. officials who are saying, we're going to fly across the country and we're going to honor someone's life and legacy and what he stood for. and that to me is the conservative movement. In addition to that, there are very big worship artists

that are actually going to be present on Sunday, which I am very excited about of love worship music, but Chris Tomlin, Brandon Lake, Phil Wickham, Carrie Job Carnes, and Cody Carnes are all going to be singing worship at this event. And I think that that is something that is so beautiful as seeing these very large worship artists, like Chris Tomlin, Brandon Lake, Phil Wickham, Like all these names are household Christian music names and having them being present at this memorial on Sunday.

I think it just makes it even more special. And when you see people like, you know, elevation worship, who, hill song worship, who, of course, don't say anything and easily breathe the prosperity gospel. But seeing Christian artists come forward and Christian speakers come forward and say, we're doing this for Charlie is something also really beautiful that I'm personally excited. to yeah it is really beautiful it's stunning well I want to thank you guys for just all of the incredible comments that you guys have made and just I know so many of you personally have just been speaking out and sharing about what Charlie Kirk meant to you his legacy I want to specifically highlight we got just a really really nice comment from Anne Marie Tant one of our long time listeners in response to last week's show and I asked her like can I show this because

I was so touched but she sent us a message she said just want to wanted to say how much I enjoyed your podcast. I've been listening since 2022 and the most recent one about Charlie Kirk really hit me. I even started crying. My dad and I had been talking about starting a TPUSA chapter after everything went down. And now someone has already started the initiative here at the University of Tennessee and Martin. I realized I want to do more than just watch the news and listen to podcasts. I want people to really understand what we're voting for, not just on the national level, but right here in our cities and communities. This episode gave me the push I needed, and I'm ready to step up and get involved. Thank you for this podcast. So thank you,

and Marie, for sharing that. This is why we do what we do. I love it. And then I just want to read some of these responses when we ask you guys, like, what is your prayer for America right now? You all have just have beautiful, beautiful responses. Benji wrote that America becomes Jesus. And Jesus. Miamah wrote that people wake up. Anne Marie, you put Psalms 23-4, look that up, Psalms 23-4, Olivia 27. Grace, that we turn back to God and let him change ourselves in this country. So I think, yeah, that just continues to be our prayers. Like, let's actually think about, okay, what is my role? What is the mandate that Charlie Kirk gave us and that now? Erica Kirk is giving us, like, what are those action steps?

I think, like, if you're new to the movement, come back here every week. Yeah, welcome. Watch Charlie shows. Watch Morgan's content, like consume all the good, conservative, thoughtful content that you can to really get learned, you know, like study up on this. But then also for those of us that have been in the movement for a while, like, now is our time to be mentors and to really step in and, like, fill that gap. Yeah.

And listen to the archive of all the Charlie Kirk episodes. He has a plethora of content, which is also super fun. I know I've been going back and listening to a bunch. You know, it's funny. I remember saying this is someone about two, three months ago, I said, you know, sometimes when I can't go to sleep and I had coffee close to bedtime or something like that, I'll just be scrolling on Charlie Kirk's TikTok and just watching him debate some of these leftists. I know, I don't know why.

It's just, it's honestly, it probably wasn't healthy for me. I'd be like up at 2.30, like, I twitch. You see him own the lefts one more time. But it actually was super uplifting when he would have those conversations and then they would see eye to eye at the end somewhat. And I was like, wow, that's the best category of these. So, yeah. You have so many hours in the day.

I did it at 2.30 a.m. So you can too. Question of the week this week, Crissel. Do these people do all these crazy people need to be? Do they deserve to be canceled? I was going to say thrown in jail, but should they be losing their job? Should there be consequences? Should there be consequences?

For there. Is it time for a consequence? Comments. Yeah. Amazing. Well, thank you guys for joining us. We'll see you right back here next week. Don't forget to like, subscribe, follow us on Instagram.

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