The Daily Signal - The Daily Signal Presents "Problematic Women" - Charlie Kirk: The Voice of a Generation | Feat. TPUSA's Morgonn McMichael, Hannah Faulkner

Episode Date: September 14, 2025

Great minds have spent generations debating over the most effective ways to win hearts and minds to a cause, but all agree on one thing – if you reach the young, you will determine the course of a nation's future. Charlie Kirk knew this, and lived it.    Kirk’s mission to reach young people may have stemmed from the fact that his own very public political activism began when he was only a teenager. But at a time when many conservatives wrote college campuses off as bastions of leftist ideology that were too far gone, Kirk made universities his mission field, and emboldened hundreds more young people to do the same.    Through Turning Point USA, Kirk reached millions of young people with a political, and faith filled message.    What made Kirk even more unique is that he did not go to college campuses to lecture students, but instead to have conversations - allowing students to ask him questions on politics and faith. It was at one of these very events at Utah Valley University where Kirk was assassinated Wednesday.    Articulate, charismatic, and inteligent, Kirk spent more than a decade empowering young people to think critically, embrace the values of conservatism, and find hope and joy in a deep faith in Jesus Christ.    Kirk spoke truth in boldness, and it cost him his life.    It is challenging not to feel that a line has been drawn in the sand. A good man, a father, a husband, a leader has died. Is this the cost of truth? For the majority of us, Lord willing, it won’t be, but it does serve as a time for choosing.    On this week’s edition of Problematic Women, Hannah Faulkner, a conservative commentator and author, and Problematic Women host Morgonn McMichael, a Turning Point USA contributor, join the show to discuss the choices we, the American people, face following Kirk’s assassination.    Enjoy the show! Keep Up With The Daily Signal   Sign up for our email newsletters:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.dailysignal.com/email⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠     Subscribe to our other shows:    The Tony Kinnett Cast: ⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL2284199939⁠ The Signal Sitdown: ⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL2026390376⁠   Problematic Women:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL7765680741⁠   Victor Davis Hanson: ⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL9809784327⁠     Follow The Daily Signal:    X:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://x.com/intent/user?screen_name=DailySignal⁠ Instagram:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/thedailysignal/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Facebook:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/TheDailySignalNews/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Truth Social:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://truthsocial.com/@DailySignal⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/dailysignal?sub_confirmation=1⁠    Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform and never miss an episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We'd love to talk. Business. Hey, this is Virginia Allen, and I'm excited to share this episode of Problematic Women, one of the Daily Signal's other podcasts. Each episode, we navigate the biggest stories in politics and culture, and we have a lot of fun doing it, too. If you like what you hear today, make sure to subscribe to Problematic Women for weekly episodes. Welcome back to Problematic Women. Today, we are filming a very special episode on Thursday, September 11th, because yesterday, September 10th, Charlie Kirk was shot an assassination. at a speaking tour. We are going to be discussing his legacy,

where do we go from here, initial reactions, and the impact that this one man had on an entire generation and the entire conservative movement. We're joined by Hannah Faulkner, our problematic woman in the week, and we can't wait to get into this discussion. This very important discussion.

Welcome back. Hi, Elise McHugh. I'm Morgan. And I'm Virginia Allen. And Hannah, thank you so much for being with us. Thank you for having me. I'm excited and honored to be here with you guys today.

day, also very somber week, lots of crazy issues, but also just excited to tribute this episode to Charlie, who I know we're going to get into all the incredible things and this legacy that he's going to continue on. So I appreciate you guys and what you're doing. We're so excited that you're here. And honestly, just my initial thought, just visually seeing us four young women sitting here at this table, having this discussion on this podcast that's been around for a while, this kind of thing would not be possible without the work of Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA, and just the energy that he's put behind the young conservative movement. So I'm very grateful that you're here to join us today too because you're only 18.

18. 18. Well, I guess not just a couple months ago. It's still, it's not believe it. I think we first met when you were like 16 at a turning point of it. Yes. And then we were in that crazy documentary together. Hannah and I were actually in a documentary highlighting conservative women in America for the BBC,

which was a really fun project that we had both worked on separately, but kind of together. And yeah, no, it's crazy because it's like even opportunities like that and even all of these relationships at this table and having a voice and so many millions of Americans feeling like they have a voice or had gained their voice was because of Charlie. And I think that's just something that's so impactful. I mean, I know a lot of you viewers know I was in still a Turning Point USA contributor and, you know, have worked. Charlie's been my boss for over three years. and the reason why I got involved in the movement, and I'm going to try not to cry in this whole episode as we're talking about him because he's just such an extraordinary,

not just boss, but, you know, mentor, friend, man, husband, father. And so, you know, this is just like, I think just a really great opportunity to use our platform as a way instead of to silence to use our voices to continue because, you know, Charlie wouldn't stay quiet on it. Yeah, you know, he would continue to speaking. He's always pushed the envelope, and he's been the one to rally the conservative youth and just a conservative movement in general.

Morgan, do you remember the first time you ever met Charlie Kirk? I do. It was in 2021. I first heard of Charlie about 2019, and it was because I was getting canceled on my college campus, no story. Classic. Thousands of us know all too. Well, and went to the Young Women's Leadership Summit, 2021,

heard him on stage, like, in person for the first time. And I just, it's captivating. Like, the way that he spoke, he was speaking to you. Met him, shook his hand, got a picture. And it was like that, from that moment on, it was like, my life has changed. I am, you know, dedicating my life to this cause of fighting for American values and our freedoms. Yeah, it was like, just a switch went off. And something that I love about Charlie is he remembers every person's name.

Like, he would walk around the offices. Like, I worked in headquarters. And whenever he walked down the office, like, he would know your name. And he would always say hi. I would see him, like, walking in the parking lot, sometimes, like, hey, Charlie. Hey, Morgan. Actually, no, he would call me Morgan. And everyone knows that that was my name's always, nicknames always been more gone.

But, you know, he had those personal relationships. He prioritized getting to know you and being invested in what your next project was or, you know, for me it was like I was on countless tour stops, you know, just like yesterday. And like literally yesterday before this had happened, I was sitting down looking at the tour schedule, getting ready to figure out like which stops I would go on this year. And it's like being at so many of those and Charlie just being like, hey, great work out there. So good to see you, Morgan, and all that. It doesn't go unnoticed, like, just how good of a human being and a person that he was and how much he genuinely cared,

not just for staff, but everybody, like the American people. Like, he knew you. Yeah, yeah. That's been something that I have been really touched by is watching that story over and over and over be shared across social media. Because I didn't know Charlie personally. Of course, when a turning point conferences heard him speak many times, was very inspired by him in the life he lived.

We were born in the same year. And to hear just the number of people say, you know, how he would reach out with encouraging texts and Bible verses or even offering up his home to live there when they were in a pinch. I mean, just really living a life of putting other people first. And Hannah, I know you have recently, as you, your platform, I feel like has really begun exploding, just getting more and more involved in the conservative movement and with Charlie as well.

You know, it's interesting, as you were talking about the BBC documentary, we filmed most of that footage at Turning Points America Fest. Yes, in 20, was it 2024? Yeah, it was 2024, I thought. 23? Oh, maybe it was 20. I don't know. The last five years

have been crazy. Either way, we filmed most of the footage at Amfest. And then the other footage for me, I don't know about you, but it was filmed

at the place that I had the teens against gender mutilation rally, which was with Turning Point USA. It was the first big event that I had. And there was actually a lot of pushback from people

in the community. And I remember, I didn't know Charlie personally until literally within last two months. Wow. We had met in passing and he gave me an award

in 2023 after the event on stage at America Fest. But other than that, it was just very quick. Yeah. And so after, I mean, while the event was going on, we were getting all this pushback and he said, no, we're going to have it being teens against gender mutilation. And I didn't hear that from it personally, but the staff told me, hey, you have to go ahead,

Charlie is like, it's going to be fine. Yeah. So just things like that, getting to know how courageous he is on even statements like teens against gender mutilation. And the reason why there was so much pushback against it because they were afraid that people would get this idea that you're against all human mutilation, right? They're against both adults and children mutilating their healthy breast and genitals, which is just a crazy wild issue in and of itself.

But, you know, getting to know Charlie a little bit more over the past month, I didn't know him as much as you, of course, but I was invited to this special event that was being held, and they invited about 15 to 20 influencers, all solid people. I mean, Riley was there. And there was debate, there was healthy conversation, which of course Charlie loves having, and he's always encouraged people to just show up to college campuses, to have these conversations. And the second day we were there, he came up to me, I was the only, I guess, influencer, I hate that word, but the only, I say that very lightly because I'm like, I'm the smallest little,

like, grain of sand compared to these influencers with over half a million followers. But he came up to me, and he's like, tell me about your life. Tell me about your family, how you got involved. I'm like, actually, I got involved with Turning Point USA when I was 13. Like, that was really the reason why I'm here today is because of you and your organization that you've created. And so he took 10 minutes, literally just sitting there until everybody started arriving. And, of course, he had to leave. But that to be, I was like, wow, he really cares about the future of this country.

Not that I didn't realize that, but it just made me. It's personal. Yes, so much more personal. I'm having that experience myself. And actually, I started posting Man on the Street interviews over the last couple weeks. And I've never done, I've done like man on the street here and there. Of course, I saw your videos. And I will say, I don't think people would be doing man on the street if it weren't for Charlie Kirk encouraging people.

Because his, I guess, assistant, and he said, hey, Charlie would like to do something potentially with you. Go do man on the street first so that we can see that, you know, you are interested in this. Yeah. So I literally did man on the street because of Charlie Kirk and his, I guess, assistant telling me to do that. So it's just things like that. And I'm sure it's the same for you. Like people in Charlie's, you know, sphere. And of course, Charlie encouraging you to get out on these college campuses. And then that is just, these are stories after stories. And I'm so encouraged people that I have literally tried to get involved in 30. USA for years since I first got involved in 2021 are finally like posting. And they're like, this is it. I'm getting involved.

Like this is it. I'm taking action. And so it's sad. It's heartbreaking to me that it took the assassination of his life to get people involved. But his legacy is so, it's beyond words. And it's really these personal stories, I feel, that are what shocked the nation so much. Because he wasn't an elected official. He wasn't a head of state. He wasn't anything with legitimate political power. He just went to college campuses and debated in good faith with people who disagreed with him.

He said, if you disagree with me, come to the front, let me change your mind. And some of those clips are so moving. sometimes people will leave that and not agree with him anymore. Then sometimes they'll have a really good faith conversation. He'll smile. He'll be very respectful. And they're like, oh, well, I had a bunch of talking points, but I guess I don't need to use them anymore.

And that's why it's just so shocking because these are the same thought processes and logic that we always had. We see Charlie Kirk embody those and talk to the youth with those. So we see a piece of ourselves in him. And that's why it's just shaking everyone to their core. even bigger than just his impact and in the political side of things, it is his love for Jesus Christ. Like when I tell you,

Charlie Kirk is the most God-fearing man I have ever met in my life who died saying, you know, Jesus is everything. Yeah. Christ is everything. And it's like he was on the battlefield and gave the opposite. opposite side an opportunity to mock him, to yell at him, to spit at him, to do anything. And it's crazy because the left would always be like, well, you know, you never want to have a conversation with us. You never want to understand our side. And it's like, no, Charlie was the

one who gave them a voice to. And they killed him for free speech of all things. And it just speaks even more volumes because it's not like you said he's not a politician like he is a human being who gained a following for speaking the truth and he died speaking the truth and he lived a life just unwavering in his face and that's something that I think everyone felt and it's it wasn't political it was everyone posting and just seeing the discussion of like this is Christ. Like, we bring this to the Bible and seeing even just Christians and churches speak out and talk about this and even get backlash for it. It's just the back. I mean, the backlash is just beyond me. But I think that is what is like the light out of all of this is like Charlie

is, not just was, like, is that light in the darkness that is the evil in this world? And like, it just ignited, I think, everyone. And it is heartbreaking that it, like, took that. But it just shows how precious life is and how necessary, like, the Lord is in all of this. And there truly is evil in this world, as we've seen with a lot of the initial reactions. And it's not just from the mainstream media, not just from MSNBC, Katie Turr, Matthew Dowd, Dowd, who got fired. rightfully so for just the heinous comments. But we see it on apps like Blue Sky, Twitter, Reddit,

even in some of my friends' Instagram stories, the way that they're reacting. And shame on you. If you're watching this and you follow me on social media, if we've been friends since I've been in kindergarten, I don't care. Shame on you from the way that you are reacting to this because it is just infuriating.

A man dies for free speech, something that we all purport to believe in. And you say it was the result of his own actions and his own rhetoric, that's unbelievable. That's indefensible. And we were chatting about some of the examples beforehand of just like things that make my blood boil in reaction to this. It hasn't even been 24 hours.

And the left-wing activists and media have really taken this and run with it. One encouraging piece out of all of like the left-wing, like radical left-wing noise is I have seen numerous more not obviously radical radicals, but common sense Democrats, liberals, whatever you call them, speak out and say, you know, I didn't agree with Charlie, but this is wrong. And if you are saying or cheering for this, unfollow me, like, this is wrong, like, you need help. And I commented on a couple. I had to get off social media. It was just like, I couldn't do it anymore. But seeing that did bring me hope. And even people, like, unfortunately, like Dean Withers, Harry Sisson and Parker, I know that Parker, these three are Democrat influencers, if you don't know them.

Parker was actually there, and I can't even imagine, like, witnessing that even as a liberal. And for even those three to have the humility to come out and be like, yeah, this is wrong. And of course, like, I do think that a little bit of them and all left-wing influencers do play a role in this. They called, you know, as white nationalist, us Nazis, and inciting violence on many of these situations. Like, you know, you're not just getting off scot-free. but seeing just the humanity and realizing of like taking a step back and being like, you know, there's one thing about debating and getting heated and yelling at each other, it's another to end the life of that person who was championing free speech for everybody.

Yeah, entirely different things. Yeah. Hannah, how are like the people in your age range high schoolers, how are they reacting from what you've seen online so far? I mean, this is what's been really encouraging to me. I mean, obviously, I've gotten the messages here and there from people that are justifying it, which is scary. It's sad. It really is.

It's heartbreaking. But for me, I have just seen a wave of like, just going back to what I said earlier, of young people who are hosting prayer visuals, who are hosting things at their schools, at their public schools, at their private Christian schools, that never would have done that before. You know, they never, they might have hosted something all surrounded, you know, about scripture, right? But anything outside of that, they would never do anything as a pertinent's to attorney-point event. I mean, it was hard enough to get them to come to a turning point event, right? Yeah. But now they're like, okay, this is, this is it.

Like, I, you know, we were seeing the national anthem this morning at the Capitol, and I was sitting there, seeing that, kind of getting a little bit teared up. It's like, what, how can we be, you know, the land of the free when people are on podcast, on college campuses, Charlie Kirk, for instance, or Riley Gaines, or Morgan, or, I mean, anyone really in conservative media that just taking that leap of faith how can this be the land of the free remain the land of the free people are afraid of literally being assassinated because of what they believe in and i will say you know from the the biblical standpoint because that's all that matters like the ultimate truth is the word of god and that is something that you know i i knew that charlie kirk was

but over the last month i realized how intentional that he was with his faith i mean this man he doesn't have he told me he's like oh i don't have social media on my phone up you don't have social media on your phone. Like he only puts it up on his safari, and I'm sure you've probably talked to him about this before, if he needs to, he reads, he researches like all day long, he gets eight hours of sleep, like spends, makes sure to prioritize his family, like takes the Sabbath. He takes a Sabbath very seriously. Every weekend. I mean, he is not, he puts his phone in the drawer the night before and spends his entire day. And that's something even like, if Charlie Kirk can do it. Who am I?

Everyone else can do it and take a day off and dedicate it to your family and dedicate to the Lord. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. If, like, it is almost unexcusable. And that, you are absolutely right. Like, it's his unwavering faith and his dedication to Jesus. Yeah. Yeah.

That just speaks volumes. Well, and not to interrupt, because I want to hear what you say, but I think that when we think of, okay, what does it mean to be a Christian? And I've been really kind of diving into this and it made it so much more real over the last 24 hours. It's like, what does it mean to have radical faith? What does it mean to be radically obedient to God's word? And ironically, this Sunday, I hosted a worship night. I do stuff with young people here and there. Like, I love having events and doing things with young people. But I was like, hmm, we need a worship night. Like this, above all, like the only thing that's going to

change in this country is a revival. You know, we can have a great president in the White House, great legislative change. But if we don't have like a true cultural shift, a turning point, which is so prophetic. then nothing is going to change, right? Yeah. And so we hosted this worship night, and the message that I really wanted to push to them was, okay, how can we on a daily basis make acts of obedience,

radical obedience to God's word? And you look at Esther and Daniel and you look at Deborah. And Esther specifically, like, she was willing to die. Yeah, right. She was willing to beheaded in front of the king for the Lord because she was so radically obedient to the Lord's well. And that's what Charlie Kirk was. I mean, he said it many times, like, this is it.

Like, the only thing that matters in life is where you're going eternally. And I was asking my dad, like, how do you feel? How do you think that Erica is feeling? And he's like, she's shattered, but she's also at peace because she knows that her husband is entering the gates of heaven. And Jesus is saying, you know, well done, my good and faithful servant. And that is the best thing that we can look to. And I think that's the part where young people are realizing how close life and death can be for us. and you know Charlie didn't know he was going to die

he didn't know but he did know that if he were to die that day where he would be going and that's the most important decision that we could ever make in our life and I think that's the biggest thing that we could take away from this whole situation it's a reminder of how thin the veil is that it's so thin between heaven and earth and the Lord numbers are days and we have no control over that absolutely no control and I think it's been amazing to watch the public response from, you know, big public names that are open about their faith, but you know, aren't usually essentially proselytizing on national television. And I want to play this clip from Kaylee McAnney because she knew Charlie Kirk very personally.

They work together. And the way that she discusses his faith, but also her own faith and the confidence that her faith gives her about, where she's. Charlie is. It's just really, really touched me. I want to go ahead and play this. But Sean, my takeaway with Charlie is, you know, we talk about left and right, and Charlie would point right, but more than that, Charlie pointed up. He had this authentic, real love for Jesus Christ, and his conservative philosophy was an outgrowth of that. But he would go to these campuses. I would speak at his women's event, and he would speak to lonely people who were lost on social media, felt empty, felt depressed on college campuses, and he would give them hope in Jesus. And

And the last thing I would say, Sean, is I know that I know that I know that I know this. Charlie Kirk did not die today. Yes, he left his body. But I guarantee you when he took his last breath, the first words that he heard were Jesus Christ saying, well done, my good and faithful servant. I'm thinking of Erica. She's a beautiful, beautiful mom, a beautiful woman, beautiful writer. I'm thinking of his kids.

But I know where Charlie Kirk is today. And he is very, very much alive. Amen. And I think, Anna, to your point, like that is, that's the message that Charlie Lyft that he spoke about so publicly. And I'm in the midst of the grief, in the midst of the pain, I'm watching as students are hosting prayer vigils. And at Notre Dame, they're gathering to pray the rosary. And I think it's at Mississippi State. We have a picture of it, but students hanging. a banner out there when your windows saying pray for the Kirk. It wasn't just students. It was frat boys outside of their frat houses,

which is so amazing because you have to think, like a lot of these boys have so much of their community and their beliefs and some substance in a world where they are told that they can't have substance because of this one man. So it's very beautiful to see banners outside of frat houses. Well, and I love that about Charlie because I have been guilty of this of looking at those college campuses.

and saying colleges are too far gone. The left has taken them over. What can we really do about college campuses? And Charlie looked at college campuses and said, that's my mission field. That is the future of our generation. That's the future of America. And I'm gonna go to the hardest and darkest places

where there are no conservatives and certainly no conservative adults. And I'm gonna be a voice, not only of truth, but a voice that's willing to have conversation and engage people's, minds and say, let's just speak intelligently about these things and have debate and have dialogue. And like that is in it just, it's such a testament, I think, both to his faith that one, like, college campuses with God, all things are possible.

They really could be changed. And to his radical obedience that the Lord called him to be a voice of truth on these campuses. And for so many, I mean, Sage Steele talked about this, and she said, even for her own kids. She was like Charlie inspired them to have some interest in politics or for all of us sitting at the table. We're talking about this. Really like we probably a lot of us wouldn't know each other if it wasn't for Charlie because he convened young people. That's what the web I have seen goes so much deeper and wider than anyone ever kind of realized. And it's like I wouldn't know anyone in conservative politics if it wasn't for Charlie Kirk. I wouldn't have met people personally if it wasn't for Charlie Kirk. And he is not just

unpersonally in my life and politically, you know, professionally, but just even starting Turning Point USA and the millions of lives impacted, not just in America, but in the entire world is so special. He is someone that is irreplaceable. And I truly think, that you know when you look at these college campuses like I couldn't even tell you how many campuses that I've been on and seeing the change over the last just just the last four years how kids are now able to gather together and speak boldly and speak truthfully and even just meet at a turning point you know event talk about Charlie listen to his videos host a debate night like what whatever it is, you know, that wasn't possible five, ten years ago. And I, I truly think that

Charlie is like a martyr in our generation or for generations to come. Like, you know, his legacy isn't dying. You know, Charlie's going to be known forever. I mean, I've been seeing it circulate, but my immediate thought was like, oh, there are now 78, 79 million Charlie Kirk's that have just been created, you know, and it's kind of our job to not stop and to recognize the goodness that he has done and the doors that he has opened and the opportunities that we have been granted all because of the work that he had, has done. And, you know, make a decision on, you know, what do we do? individually.

And yeah, no, it's just very sobering to see the college campuses come together and just even the election results. Yeah. Wouldn't have happened without Charlie. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we saw that shift with young, Gen Z, specifically male voters. Yeah.

I think Charlie probably deserves the vast majority of the credit for that. Well, there's that one video on election night when they called. called the results and I will never forget this video because I watched it when it came out and he just takes off his hat and starts crying and you can hear his team in the background going like Charlie you did it like you did this and his immediate reaction was like no this was him like this was the lord this was the lord at work this was all him and that was just extremely beautiful and you're exactly right like this is not going to stop a movement you cannot stop ideas and passion with a bullet but you just created so many more Charlie Kirk's.

Greg Gutfeld said it best last night on Fox News. He said, if you thought you were going to shut a movement down, you just woke us the F up. Republicans are used to being very polite and calm and just not reactionary. We're very, like, we tend to go very kumbaya with this route, but like this is not the time. This is a product of just surrendering the culture

and being very respectful over the past 10 years, even since, like, Obama administration. and just saying like, oh, we're not going to react. We're above that. Well, this is the result of that. So it's time for the Republicans responsibly to go on the offense. And like Charlie Kirk's one of his last tweets where he said, we should absolutely politicize the death of Arina Zurichka,

the Ukrainian woman who was stabbed on the train. He would absolutely want us to do that with this. And this is a very unique moment. It's a turning point like we keep saying. And we have to do something about it. The question is, where do we go from here? It's war. Like, yeah, nope.

I, outside of the feeling of just grief and overwhelming emotion, like the other than that, it's anger. And it is like the revolutionary war happened for a reason. Our founding fathers picked up their muskets fighting for our freedoms. What are we going to do to maintain them and, you know, have a safe country to raise our future children in a country that we all want? and it's like yeah we can't just sit back and do nothing and continue like obviously on social media but you know like it's not enough yeah it's like there is so much more that we need to be doing to motivate each other and really band together and push forward and I truly believe like yes this is a spiritual war it's a physical war um that's a physical war because when you see little

kids out of Catholic church getting gunned down two weeks ago, a woman getting stabbed on a train, and the man saying I got that white girl right after. Colorado shooting that happened yesterday, as all of this was happening, like this is not an isolated incident. And it's not an isolated incident even just within this year. It's like one after another. And I've never been more tired and angry. And there's so many more like headlines and acts of violence that we don't hear about. Like I mean, I will write here and there for different outlets. And it's like, I'm digging. I'm like, whoa, I didn't hear about this one. Oh, I didn't hear this piece. And it's like, whoa, all of this information,

people just take a little bit of extra time, which nobody has time every day of the week and every hour of the day to search for every single article and every single headline and every single act of violence. But it's like, these are the only ones that make the news, right? These are the only ones that make. And it's just so, yes. And the Colorado one yesterday,

barely made the news because of all of this, too. No, one of my friends, they were like, injured, did you hear about the shooting in Colorado? I was like, what? Yeah. He was a shooting in Colorado too. But I think I take hope in the fact that I'm watching and sensing that this is a sea change, that there's a line in the sand that is being drawn, that young people in particular are waking up and saying,

I can't be silent anymore. I have to use my voice. And it is like it's stirring up a really healthy, righteous anger, I think, which is biblical. Righteous anger is very biblical. Jesus slipped the tables. Jesus lit the tables. And I am heartened by the fact that when someone that the radical left exalts and praises, when something happens to an individual on that side, things are set on fire.

There's violence in the streets. People get hurt. Law enforcement are disrespected. And we have seen none of that. Oh, yeah. Notice how everything is exactly how it is and no windows are broken today. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. And like, what have we seen? prayer. We've seen calls to actually live out the values that Charlie talked about. Values of faith, of honoring our country, of family. And like, okay, guys, we've been commissioned. Like, we have been commissioned to think about the big questions in life. Who is your master? Who are you serving? What is the legacy you want to leave? How do you want to raise a family? Like, big, really important questions. Yes. Yes. And of course, you know, I think, The fact that President Trump was the one that broke the news to the world that Charlie Kirk had passed and then paid a really beautiful tribute to him on Wednesday night.

Again, just shows that influence that this young man had at age of 31. Today said that he's going to posthumously be awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Yeah. It's amazing. Absolutely incredible. I do want to go ahead and just play some of Trump's remarks because I think it spurs some really beautiful questions, like the questions we've been talking about here. Tonight, I ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died, the values of free speech, citizenship, the rule of law, and the patriotic devotion and love of God.

Charlie was the best of America, and the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country. An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed because together we will ensure that his voice, his message, and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come. So then the question becomes, like, what does moving forward look like? Usually we'd have Charlie Kirk to help us answer that. Literally. But there will be someone in his place soon. Yeah, I mean, I think many, as Morgan said, literally hundreds.

I don't know if there will be, you know, a single person who, you know, picks up the mic. I think it is thousands of people who are picking up the mic and are pressing forward and who we will all refuse to let his legacy die. And that's like that is the only option. Like there is no option of, oh, no one's going to go on college campuses anymore. We're not going to engage in debate. We're not like, no, that's just not an option. Like this is where you have the opportunity to rise up and continue to push harder and combat against. is because like this, it's not just political violence.

I truly think it's leftist violence. We see this coming from one side over and over and over again. And one thing that, like, I know Rain's True is just like with Charlie being so young, like his work here on Earth was not finished. And I know, like, you know, we're never going to get answers. we can answer's about who but you know it's not we're not going to ever understand why except for maybe you know that it was to ignite our country and save it for future generations to come um and i just i can't help but think about like i mean his wife is the most wonderful woman

and his kids are just incredible and you know that's and just everyone who knew Charlie, everyone at turning point, turning point action, like, his family, like, was so deeply touched by him. And even those who didn't meet him, like seeing the videos of people crying who had never even known him personally. And I think that just shows, you know, Charlie wasn't just a political figure who posted engaging videos. He was a person who was a Christian, a man of God, and everyone knew his soul. Everyone knew where he was going. And you connect that way when you know somebody. But the only way is up.

The only way is forward. And that is something encouraging that, you know, we have to, I guess, like, move forward with. No, I'm glad you mentioned that because even, like, within the past 24 hours, people have reached out and have said, like, oh, do you still want to do this? Like, is this what you want to still do? And I literally asked him from sitting here, I just saw someone message and say, hey, we're going to cancel. I was actually going to Arizona State University next month to do some man on the street interviews. And they said, hey, we're not going to do it anymore because of the recent news. And it's like, no, like, if Charlie were able to give us a message today, he would not want us to, you know, pause this.

Like, when are we get, when it, what is? I think there will be a pause. Yes. I think there will be a healthy break. but it's not going to stop forever. Yeah, it's not going to be, I don't think it's going to be months or years. I think, I genuinely, I mean, of course there's a pause within turning point, but I say that so lightly because the people within turning point,

the students are just fired up and they're not having turning point events, but they're doing the prayer vigils and the worship nights. And more than that, they are locking arms with the other fellow students. the high school students, the middle school students, and they're ready to go. So, I mean, it's just, it's, it's heartbreaking. It's such a mix of emotions. And again, like, it's so, I feel we just have to go back to the eternal perspective of it. And that, you know, in Ecclesiastity, it, I can't remember if it's Ecclesiasis, two or three, but basically that, you know, he's just, the writer's going through life, and it's all just a bunch of vanity, right? Like, he did.

all of this, all of this wisdom and all of this knowledge and opportunity, but it was all just in vanity because the ultimate goal is heaven, the ultimate goal is for the kingdom. And of course, that's what Charlie was advocating for. And I believe within like a minute and a half before he was shot and killed, assassinated, he was literally giving the message of the gospel, of course. We saw a little clip of that from yesterday. So yeah, it's, I believe there will be a pause for a bit. but I don't know I feel within the organization of course within Erica

and people that worked with Charlie closely but I feel while that there is a time of morning for those I feel that the young people are like this is we can yeah it is like almost it's like a changing of the guards and there is a new generation

you know Charlie was a young kid just graduated high school and started turning point in a garage who is that next kid who's starting something right now, you know, in the garage. I do know the only way forward is not to turn the temperature down, as so many on the left are saying, saying,

I don't know how we got to this point. It's gun violence because obviously a gun can go off without a deranged person behind it. Like they're trying to purport. And they're saying we need to turn the temperature down. Like both sides are responsible for this. And I'm like, no. I don't know. What do you want to turn the temperature down on?

Like you call us not. you say we should kill Nazis. You say Trump and all because cronies are Nazis. You guys can turn the temperature down. Oh, that's not what I meant, though. I didn't mean to actually go, no, that's words matter. Yeah, words matter. Absolutely matter.

And that's what we're not going to do going forward. It is evil. Like, this world is full of evil. It is a spiritual warfare. Yeah. And how do we even say that of good versus evil. Erica even recently had shared just talking about the spiritual battle that we are in and how we need our armor spiritually, kind of physically, personally, physically, you know.

But it's like as we just move forward, it's like we are the ones that are going to have to take up our cross. Yeah. We already have a lot of us. But like, you know, and follow him fervently and trust in the Lord for all of our guidance. and know what is right from wrong, know what is good from evil, and continue to advocate for truth. And that is it.

And that is what is just, I think, the most heartbreaking thing of this all is all we've ever wanted is to be able to speak the truth. That's it. Yeah. It's not going to stop it, trying to stop Charlie Kirk.

And it's just very heartbreaking because Charlie Kirk isn't just Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk is you. And I don't think the left sees you any differently than they see Charlie Kirk, than they see Trump, then they see Adolf Hitler. It could have been any one of us. They see, they don't see varying degrees. They just see, like, you're on the right, you're a Nazi.

And that's the rhetoric that they've been pushing. And then they're trying to say, let's turn the temperature down on now. So we just have to silence, not silence out all the noise around that, stay focused, stay Christ-centered. Yeah, and devil down on Morgan, your point of truth. Like, it really does. And I think that sea change is stemming from that. I think it's this moment where young people realize,

oh, like, Charlie wasn't just fighting for, like, a political party or nice political ideas. He put a stake in the ground for truth and it crossed in his life. People recognize that. They recognize that there's something much bigger than them, that there's a spiritual battle that is being waged. And we kind of have to decide for ourselves. What side of that battle are you going to stand on?

Yeah. And I will say something that's been very encouraging, as we've been discussing a lot of the encouraging parts of this situation, unfortunately, something very encouraging has been seeing the empathy coming from Gen Z. I think Gen Z has a huge apathy problem, especially with social media. Everyone's concerned with how they look and how they come off. And I have... I've seen a fair bit of people being like, well, I didn't like him that much,

or I didn't agree with him at all. And I'm like, you know what? Like, you need to figure your own stuff out. But this really shook so many people to their core and really made people feel something genuine for the first time. And it's because it's an inherent value of truth and freedom of speech that is being threatened. And that spoke to them. And you can't be apathetic and too cool to talk about that because we can't afford to do that. Yeah, yeah.

I think, I feel like for our question in the week, one of two things. Maybe we'll put both up. One would be, like, what is your prayer for our country at this time? And then, two, if you have any memories about Charlie, if you had an opportunity to meet him or hear him speak, we want to hear those. We would love to hear from you guys. So we'll put those questions out. But before we go, like, what would you all say? What is your prayer for our country at this moment?

I feel like it's just to come together and realize just the evil and just the evil and just, to use the emotions and the anger and the sadness, the grief that's within us, to just continue to fuel us. And I just pray for, gosh, I've been praying. I feel like for 24 hours. It's like, I pray that everyone turns their Bible open today. Yeah.

And gets into the Word, because I know that that's what Charlie would be doing. and just to recognize, just, and I think everyone recognizes his impact and just like check in on one another because whether you knew him personally or met him once or saw him speak or just loved watching his clips,

it seems like just everyone was deeply impacted by Charlie to a personal level. And we need to, just check in on one another and be there. Yeah. I'm praying that we find the humanity in each other is across party lines. Yeah. And that people find their own religion outside of politics.

I think that's a huge, huge issue in this country. People have made politics their religion. Even if you are not a believer in Christ, if you don't attend any sort of services, just find something that you can believe in that is outside of this two-party system that is not too old. that is not going to give you meaning, and that's what's going to lead to division and violence like this. Yeah, I know we were talking about it earlier and even off air.

I feel that my, like, daily prayer is, and actually one of the called actions for the young people that we had the worship night with earlier this week, last Sunday, was commit to praying 10 minutes every day for revival. And that's, you know, something that I just think about. I'm like, God, send revival. because, you know, we can't create revival. In Psalm 85, it actually says, like, revive us the Lord.

Like, the Lord has to grant us that. Like, righteousness exalts a nation, but sentences are approached to any people. As it says in Proverbs 1434. And so, I mean, that's the only thing that's going to save this country. And for the longest time, I always thought, oh, leave your religion out, right? Like, just try to be able to argue your viewpoints without bringing your worldview into it. And I actually told Charlie and his team this because they're like, oh, what would you say to someone if they told you that? And then I said, well, listen, like you bring your paganistic, your atheistic, your, you know,

whatever humanistic worldview to the table, I'll bring my biblical worldview. We'll debate these ideas and then we'll see which one creates a more thriving and flourishing society. And I don't think it's any coincidence that we are seeing the violence. I mean, we've murdered over 75 million babies in their mother's room in this nation. I don't think it's any coincidence when for decades the educational system or these indoctrination camps have propagated this idea of evolution. Well, what does that mean? You come from nothing. You're going to nothing. You're just a club of cells. You're going to die like a dog. There's nothing important to you. And so, yeah, kids believe that they don't have a purpose for their life. They don't know what their

identity is supposed to be found in. They're kind of just walking around like zombies because they feel that they're just a clump of cells. That's not worth anything. And so in Christianity, in the Lord, in the Word of God, we know that we are created on purpose with the purpose and for a purpose. And so I don't think that it's just a coincidence that this generation, in the previous generations, you know, millennials have found it very hard to value life from conception and natural death when you don't believe that there is a purpose and inherent value and dignity in that life. So revival 100%. Amen. Amen. I really do think that that is, like that is the call for this moment in history is,

Lord, we need you. What does that look like? We need revival on our college campuses. Hannah, I want to thank you for jumping in and joining us today on a really emotional day and a big day. And Morgan, I want to thank you for just being willing to share so personally. It's a really long, long process, long grieving road ahead. We're going to end the show a little bit differently than we usually do. We want to give Charlie the last word.

it only seems appropriate. So we're going to end with some thoughts from Charlie Kirk, and we want to hear from you guys too this week. So be sure to let us know what your thoughts, your memories, and your prayers for our country are. How do you want to be remembered? If I die, everything just goes away. How would you, if you could be associated with one thing,

how would you want to be remembered? I want to be remembered for courage for my faith. That would be the most important thing. Most important thing is my faith in my life.