The Daily Signal - The Daily Signal Presents "Problematic Women" - The UK is Facing a Grooming Gang Crisis. British MP Exposes What Elites Are Trying to Hide | Katie Lam

Episode Date: October 12, 2025

It sounds like a conspiracy theory—but every detail outlined about Britain’s gang crisis is real.   For decades, gangs of predominantly Muslim men in towns across the UK have groomed, trafficked, and assaulted thousands of young girls while authorities looked the other way.   Member of the Parliament of the United Kingdom Katie Lam joins “Problematic Women” to break down the shocking truth behind the UK grooming gang crisis, the systemic government cover-up, and why political leaders and law enforcement refused to act for fear of “inflaming community tensions.”   Katie also shares her personal journey, from writing musicals and working in finance to serving in Parliament, and why she believes protecting British culture and women’s safety must be a moral and political priority. Enjoy the show!  Keep Up With The Daily Signal   Sign up for our email newsletters:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.dailysignal.com/email⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠     Subscribe to our other shows:    The Tony Kinnett Cast: ⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL2284199939⁠ The Signal Sitdown: ⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL2026390376⁠   Problematic Women:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL7765680741⁠   Victor Davis Hanson: ⁠https://megaphone.link/THEDAILYSIGNAL9809784327⁠     Follow The Daily Signal:    X:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://x.com/intent/user?screen_name=DailySignal⁠ Instagram:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/thedailysignal/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Facebook:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/TheDailySignalNews/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Truth Social:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://truthsocial.com/@DailySignal⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/dailysignal?sub_confirmation=1⁠    Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform and never miss an episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, this is Virginia Allen, and I'm excited to share this episode of Problematic Women, one of the Daily Signals, other podcasts. Each episode, we navigate the biggest stories in politics and culture. And we have a lot of fun doing it, too. If you like what you hear today, make sure to subscribe to problematic women for weekly episodes. It's one of those things where it kind of sounds like a conspiracy theory. Right. You would hear it and you would be like, it is not plausible.

There's no way. That gangs of men would come to the UK or. be kind of one generation descended from people who come to the UK operating in this networked set up and round up white children to sexually torture them like this is this this this can't be true but it is completely true this happened in we think at least 50 towns in the UK in one town Rotherham they found at least 1,400 victims of this so we are talking thousands and thousands of girls and some boys up and down the country, and explicit cover-up by the state, social services, the police. And this stuff is not even that subtle. Thanks for tuning

in to this very special episode of problematic women. True to our name, today we are welcoming Katie Lamb, a member of Parliament in the United Kingdom, to the program. But before we dive in, a quick note, we'll be featuring Katie's bold speech in Parliament that has really strong language and covers very sensitive topics, including the sexual assaults happening throughout the United Kingdom. So if you have kids in the car or if that's a sensitive issue for you, feel free to either hit pause, fast forward through that part or come back to it later. At the end of the day, we think you deserve the truth. So buckle up. Let's dive in. All right, welcome back to a very very special episode of problematic women. I'm here today with Katie Lamb, member of parliament for

Kent, and just has a rich work history that I want to hear from you. I don't want to put words in your mouth when it comes to this, but you're over here in Washington, D.C. for some meetings. And I, when I heard that you were coming to the Heritage Foundation, I was like, oh, we absolutely have to have Katie on this podcast because you are quite a problematic woman in your own way. I like to think so. And what I'm so curious about, You have a rich history in politics as MP now, but having worked for Boris Johnson and a number of others. But I also noticed that you have a background in script writing and musicals. Yes.

Can we start there? Can you tell me about that? Of course. Yeah, we'll start with my parallel life. So my best friend from school, from primary school, we would say in the UK, we've been best friends since we were eight. And I always did a load of, like, silly, creative things where we were kids. we made like little murder mystery videos and we were piano duet partners

and we did all sorts of things and we started writing songs when we were maybe 11 or 12 and then when we were 15 we wrote a little mini it was like 25 minutes long musical that we put on with some of the kids in the younger years at school

and that was just kind of like a fun thing that we had done as children and then he went professionally into the theatre so he was and is professional pianist and conductor and musical director. And after we graduated, so we were maybe 22, he called me up one day and he said, I think we should write another show.

I'm working on a show at the moment. It's a new show and the process of working on a new show has made me think, oh, I really miss writing and why do we just write something just for fun? And I said, he's, I think, at the pub at this point and I'm at my desk still because I was working in finance at the time. It's like nine o'clock on a Friday night. And I said, yeah, sure.

okay, let's do it. And so we wrote a show that we put on in our hometown the following summer. And his agent came along. So he had an agent for his theatrical work. And I think came along just mostly as a friend. And he was like, oh, you should, you should do this. Like, you should actually do this. I'll represent you.

You're not bad at this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And so that was our first show. And we've written four subsequent to that. So five full musicals now. But it's great. It's just, it's a different part of my brain and a different part of my life. I love it.

Yeah, I love it. So from finance to theater to now politics. Yes. How did you make that jump? Well, so the theater kind of ran parallel alongside. So there was a long time when I was working in finance where I would use all of my holiday days to like go and do a workshop of a show or go to like a production that we were putting on or do a cabaret or whatever it might be. And then the same alongside I worked in number 10, which is the office of the prime minister in the UK. and I worked in the home office, which is, there's a couple of, it covers a couple of different

US departments, but immigration, crime and policing and national security. And I had done a lot of politics at university. So I ran the conservative association at the university that I went to and I ran the debating society. And then I went into finance and worked in finance for most of my career. and then in 2019, a friend of mine who worked in politics said, oh, we're looking for,

she was working for the prime minister, which was Boris Johnson at the time, she was working in number 10, and she said, we're really looking for people. Can I put you in touch with a guy called Andrew Griffith, who is now, he's an MP himself, who was running the business team for the prime minister who the the PM has a dedicated team that kind of deal with business leaders and with commerce policy and all of that kind of thing and

I wasn't I wasn't really looking for a job so I was like oh you know I'd like I'll I'm always interested in like having a coffee with interesting people and like that sounds great and pretty much at the end of the coffee he was like when can you start and I was like what do you mean when can I start he was like Monday so and at the time it feels like a million years ago now because it was before the pandemic which feels like a sort of it was such a seminal period that everything that happened before feels very long ago right but it was in the final days of the renegotiation of the Brexit deal so the country voted to leave 2016, Theresa May had come in as the Prime Minister, she had negotiated something and then

Boris Johnson had come in to renegotiate it. And I thought at the least, you know, it was, it was clear that the political situation was untenable, but at the least, this will be like the most fascinating six or eight or ten weeks of my life. It won't be boring. Yes, exactly. Like bored, boredom is is not on the menu. Yes. And then maybe there'll be an election and who knows what will happen then, but or, but, but whatever the case, it will be fascinating or it could really be something. And so I ended up, I started in number 10. I was there for, God, maybe not even eight weeks, maybe six weeks. And the election was called. I went to go and work on the election campaign. And it was a very successful election campaign for the conservatives and came back and then

I was in number 10 for a couple of years. Can you give us, you know, Americans, I feel like, see clips from the floor of parliament and the conversations are always pretty rowdy but very respectful and we'll get to this in just a bit because I want to play a clip from a recent speech that you gave on the floor if that's the right terminology. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Forgive me. But I think people. Right. And we kind of, I think for the first time in our recent election had the closest taste to what you can get in America of a coalition government, right? President Trump bringing in people like Tulsi Gabbard, R. of junior, people outside the kind of normal conservative or Republican spheres of influence.

And so that was kind of our first dabbling in what I would, the closest thing we could get to a coalition government, right? But you have this really interesting dynamic in the UK where you have multiple parties that are right of center. Yes, we do. More or less. Yes. What's the current state of that?

I've been hearing a ton about reform and the conservative party and the Tories kind of maybe going away. We're in an interesting, I mean, fascinating period at the moment of very high volatility, basically. And it's true across the political spectrum. So the Green Party is also doing very well. We also have, which is very worrying, a rise of explicit sectarian politics. So there are five members of parliament that sit in the UK parliament that were elected on a much more explicitly sectarian platform.

Interesting. And they speak a lot about Gaza and they talk a lot about like, I suppose, Muslim cultural issues. So the whole political landscape in the UK at the moment is actually very fragmented. And at the moment, it kind of changes a lot all the time. The government is also incredibly unpopular.

So they've just won, you know, only 15 months ago, a massive majority, and they're already incredibly unpopular. Wow. So why is that, do you think? Well, in simplest terms, they're doing a really bad job. I think that they clearly, you know, if you had a member of, so the government is the Labour Party, which is our kind of mainstream left-wing party in the UK. And I'm sure if they were here, then they would tell you something else.

But from my perspective, I think they effectively thought they didn't want to stand on a very explicit policy platform because the election was the Conservatives to lose because they had failed on a number of very important things in government. And the best way for Labor to win it, they thought was just not to say very much at all. And so what that's meant is both for the public and for their own members of parliament, everybody sort of stood on their own kind of platform and decided what they thought the government was going to be and what the government was going to do. And they didn't really have a plan. So they've come in without a plan. I think essentially thinking, oh, well, the civil service is left leaning. Like, they'll help us.

They'll know what to do. Yeah. You have your own version of the deep state, which is a live and well. Yes. Yeah. But they're actually wrong. I mean, I think Tony Blair said the civil service, there is, of course, some self-selection

because often the people who choose to work for the state are the people who think that the state is the answer no matter to the question, right? Like that's, and that's rational, right? You would expect that. But what the civil service really is, is a vehicle for inertia. So if you want to get anything done,

then you have to know how to work the system. Yeah. You can't come to the system and be like, tell me what to do. That's, it doesn't exist for that. Yeah. So it's been a bit of a car crash, which obviously I am not a labor politician. And so I think some people expect me to sort of be happy about that. But I'm also a citizen and I do.

I do live there and I don't want the government to be a disaster. So it's depressing. Yeah. So we've seen, you know, kind of decades of poor policy decisions being made in the UK that are not wholly unfamiliar to us in the United. United States. The first thing that comes to mind is mass migration. And that is still ongoing. I don't know if I've seen anything come out of the UK. I mean, at least like, thank God, in the United States, we elected President Trump, who went in and day one shut the border down, put a stop to it, and is engaging in the largest mass deportation operation in the history of

our country. What's the status of the mass migration issue in the UK? Because it's had a massive cultural problem. Yeah, impact. And economic as well. Yeah. Both very serious issues. So the talking just about legal migration for a moment, like we also have a problem with patrolling the border,

but if we sort of put that to one side just to talk about legal migration, um, to set it in context, legal migration for the quarter of a century leading up to 1997, when Tony Blair was elected, was less than 20,000 people. So not a year for that whole period of time. Oh, wow.

And that's net. So that's obviously people who've come in, minus people who've left. But that's the kind of order of magnitude that we're talking about over two and a half decades. It's in the years since 1997, with the exception of the pandemic, net migration has never been below 100,000 people. and at its peak in 2023, net migration was well over 900,000 people, which obviously means that well over a million people came. And of course, to state the obvious,

the UK is a lot smaller than the West. I was just about to say that, right? Like to an American who's like, oh, a million, when we've had probably tens of millions at this point. Yeah, but these numbers are very significant to us. Yes. And the numbers are still far, far too high. And not only, you're right to say that,

these policy decisions were poor, they were also democratically illegitimate. Every single election-winning manifesto since 1974 has promised to lower migration and since 1997 has effectively failed to do so. There were, between 2010 and 2015, the Home Office actually did do a very good job of limiting non-EU migration, but of course at the time, we were members of the European Union and were not able to control the border. Since we've left the EU, the numbers have skyrocketed, which was the opposite of what people wanted. So it's, it's, it's a real mess. What are your constituents telling you on this issue?

Are they, I mean, there's obvious concern. Is there an appetite like what we've seen here in the States for deportation? So the, there are somewhere between one and, the best estimate, somewhere between one and two million people in the UK illegally. Those people shouldn't be there. They should go home. there are also, there's a large number of people who came to the country legally, but effectively should not have been able to do so.

The visa policies that allow them to come in the first place were wrong. And those people also need to go home. And it's, you know, in lots of cases, we're talking about people who've been in the UK, six months, 18 months, two years, five years, you know, if I were given a visa to come to the US to work, if after five years, say my visa was for five years, if at the end of the end of the, that term you said, do you know what, we actually don't need you? Like, thank you for coming, but you can go home now. It might be a personal bummer, like, for me, but... Take it personally. Yeah, but... What do you mean you don't need me? But you'd be totally

within your rights to do that, right? And I wouldn't think, well, no, I'm not leaving. I've been here for five years and now I have a right to be here forever. But that is essentially how the UK system works. Once you've been in the UK for five years on almost every visa type, you get something called indefinite leave to remain, which is a bit like the green card system. Okay. But it's very generous because it entitles you to the entirety of the British welfare state. So all your healthcare, you can get social housing if you qualify for it, you can get welfare payments and benefits if you qualify for those. And that's also true for dependence. So one person could come over earning not very much to work in the health and social care sector

because we have a special visa for those people and bring a large family. And after five years, all of those people are entitled to British taxpayer support for the rest of their lives. And this is completely unaffordable. Yeah. So it, and the numbers are still far, far too high. Yeah. And so something that we've been grappling with in the States

is the concept of assimilation. And you brought this up a little bit earlier, but it's not, it's not just that there's been this mass influx of foreigners into both of our countries, but they refuse or have no intention of becoming British. Which I've never very, It's very confusing because I don't understand why you would...

Why are you coming here? Yes, it's a little strange. My grandmother was a refugee to the UK. She came to Britain when she was 13 from Germany. Okay. She was a political refugee. The family were persecuted by the Nazis because her grandfather was an anti-Nazi politician in Germany.

And she came here. For the first year that she was here, she was sent to live with a British family. she didn't speak a word of English she learned perfect English she did not speak with a German accent she didn't speak German at home she didn't teach my father her son German she was not a member

of the German diaspora she did not have German citizenship she came to the UK she became British and that was the end she swore allegiance to the king she got her citizenship the end and sometimes people say to me well how can you feel the way that you do about immigration when you're the descendant of refugees

and I say well for two reasons I think that makes very good sense one because I know what assimilation looks like and I know what it doesn't look like. And two, because because of my family's experiences, my grandfather's family were Dutch Jews and they were all murdered, almost all murdered in the Holocaust. I know how important Britain is.

I know what Britain has done for the world, for the human race, and I know how important our culture is. And protecting that is my greatest responsibility. That's my job. That's what I was elected to do. and in order to be able to do that, you have to say people who come to this country. I'm not in my country at the moment,

but people who come to Britain have to do so wanting to become British and they need to make a clear commitment to do that, speaking English, adapting to our cultural norms. And if they don't want to do that, then they shouldn't come. And I bet those people,

People know it will. Yeah. They just should stay where they are. Yeah. Stay in your country if you have no intent of becoming British or American or adopting, not allowing your cultural inheritance to disappear or not honor those traditions, but recognizing that if you're going to make that decision to move to another country, to become a citizen of another country, you owe it to yourself and to that nation to do the best that you can to be a good

citizen. And where, you know, you're right, of course, you can still have a connection to the traditions of a culture that you might have come from or maybe that your parents have come from. But where those two things clash, you choose British culture. Right. Time and again. So this brings me to this really heartbreaking issue that you're dealing with right now. And we'll just play a clip from your floor speech. We won't do it here. The girls we are talking about, Mr. Speaker, are predominantly white. The men who prayed on them were predominantly Muslim, generally either from Pakistan or of Pakistani heritage. One of the victims from Mujisbury was told by her rapist, I quote, we're here to f*** all the white girls and

f*** the government. Will the minister accept that, in many cases, these crimes were racially and religiously aggravated? How, without a national inquiry, can we understand what part these factors played? There is no question. that the state has failed these children time and again. Take the case of Anna from Bradford, vulnerable and in residential care. At the age of 14, she made repeated reports of rape and abuse to social workers who were responsible for her. But just the following year, aged 15, she married her abuser in a traditional Islamic wedding ceremony. Far from stepping in to stop it, her social worker was a guest. The

authorities then arranged for her to be fostered by her abuse. abuse as parents. The ringleader of the Rochdale rape gang, Shabir Ahmed, was employed as a welfare rights officer by Oldham Council. And yet not one person, not one, has been convicted for covering up these institutionalised rapes. So why have ministers refused to establish a dedicated unit in the National Crime Agency to investigate councillors and officials accused of collusion and corruption? And I am sorry to say that that unit, Mr Speaker, must also investigate police officers. In one case, the father of an abuse victim in Rotherham was arrested by South Yorkshire police when he attempted to rescue his daughter from her abusers. He was detained

twice in one night, while on the very same evening his daughter was repeatedly assaulted and abused by a gang of men. It is clear these criminals were unafraid of law enforcement. In Kirkley's, Judge Marston said, you were seen with your victim on at least three occasions by the police. none of that deterred you and you continued to rape her. How, without a national inquiry, can we know how and why these monsters enjoyed effective immunity for so long and how can we be sure it will not happen again? We on this side of the House have voted for a national inquiry and tabled amendments which would guarantee the publication of ethnicity data on a quarterly basis,

terminate the parental rights of convicted sex offenders and make membership of agreement gang an aggravating factor during sentencing so the defenders get the longer, harsher sentences they deserve. Will the Minister commit today to adopting these amendments to protect our children? Finally, I would like to read to the House one particular ordeal, just one example of what these children have suffered. I must warn colleagues, and especially those in the gallery, that this is extremely graphic,

but we must not look away or sanitise this evil. Sentencing Mohammed Karar of Oxford to life in prison, Judge Peter Rook said, you prepared your victim, a 13-year-old girl, for gang anal rape by using a pump to expand her anal passage. You subjected her to gang rape by five or six men. At one point, she had four men inside her. A red ball was placed in her mouth to keep her quiet. When she was 12, after raping her, she threatened you with your lock knife. Your reaction, was to pick up a baseball bat with a silver metal handle, strike her on the head with it, and then insert it inside her vagina. This is not about me. It is not about the minister or the Home Secretary or any of us in this chamber. It is about them. Little girls up and down our country whose brutal and repeated rapes were permitted and hidden by those in the British state whose job was to protect them. They deserve justice.

In five towns, these children and their families may get partial answers. But I have mentioned five towns in the last few minutes alone, and there are at least 45 more. In those places, they will get no answers at all. What does the Minister have to say to them? The British people deserve to know the truth. What darker truths does the suffering of these girls reveal about this country? And why won't the government find out? these grooming gangs, does this, first of all, what is going on?

What is the issue? And does it stem from this issue we're discussing as it pertains to assimilation? So we have a terrible problem in the United Kingdom of a particular phenomenon whereby groups of men, Muslim men predominantly either from Pakistan or of Pakistani heritage, have for several decades now preyed on sort of rounded up, groomed and sexually tortured

young girls and we're talking like 10, 11, 12, 13 men in their 20s or older who would convince these children often, but not exclusively, but often vulnerable children, children in care, children who they could see

were maybe not going to school, or would convince them that they were their boyfriend and then would effectively kidnap them. And, you know, I won't go into detail now, whether the detail is available if your listeners want to look it up. But due to them, the most horrific things that you can imagine a group of men doing to a young girl. In some cases, the victims were boys.

in some cases, the vast majority of victims are white, some not, but I think it's vanishingly rare for the victims to be Muslims. So there's a kind of... Dicotomy there. Yeah, there's a racial and a religious

aspect to these crimes. And in a way, the... And I was going to say what's even worse. I mean, nothing could be worse. But what compounds this is that so many arms of the state have covered this up. So, and this is, it's one of those things where almost when you first hear it and maybe if you've never heard it before, it kind of sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Right. You would hear it and you would be like, it is not plausible. There's no way. That gangs of men would come to the UK or be kind of one generation descended from people who come to the UK operating in this networked setup and round up white children to sexually torture them. Like this is this this can't be true. Yeah.

But it is completely true. So we've had this happened in, we think, at least 50 towns in the UK. In one town about which there was a report on the police recently. In Rotherham, they found at least 1,400, victims of this. So we are talking thousands and thousands of girls and some boys up and down the country. And explicit cover up by the state, by social services, by the police. In 2010, and this stuff is not even that subtle, right? In 2010, there was a police force in the UK

that wrote a report that said, we have gangs of these men, hanging outside the school gates and hanging outside the care homes, looking for these children, praying on these kids. And there is an explicit paper trail where the senior people say

all of the perpetrators are Muslim men, all of the victims are white girls. This will inflame community tensions. I don't want to hear about this again. I don't even have words. It is unfathomable. In one case, a girl who was 14 told her social worker, she was in the care system, that she was being abused by a man.

A year later, she married this man. She's still 15. It's not legal in the UK in an Islamic wedding ceremony. And the social worker was a guest at the wedding. and allowed her to be adopted by this man's parents. What? So she was just like thrown to the walls. Is this, you want to hope for the best in people,

but is this intentional? Are these people involved in this cover-up, like just pure evil? Or are they truly worried about like the political ramifications of shedding light on something like this? So there are, again, like well-documented, instances of people who did not want to be accused of being racist. And

we see this in a couple of different instances. There was a security guard at the Ariana Grande bombings who felt that the bomber was acting suspiciously but didn't want to stop him or ask him anything because he didn't want to be accused of being racist. And we know that this has been a big factor. I mean, it's,

you're right that it is one always wants to look for the best in people and it's almost, you almost hope that. It's that they couldn't bear to have the uncomfortable conversations. But sometimes I think, well, is that worse than intent? Like, it's, all of the options are bad.

Yeah. But there have been, even just in the past two years, over a thousand people arrested for perpetrating the grooming and sex crimes, nobody ever has been convicted of covering up these crimes. So you've taken this up. Kind of like one of your primary mantles as an MP. And you gave this fiery speech on the floor, which we alluded to earlier. We think in America about you see debates on the floor of parliament.

And there usually there's a lot of energy. But it's usually pretty. Genteel. Gentile. I'm like, what's the right word here? But I mean, you use some explicit language. Yeah. So the rules are you are allowed to.

swear if you are quoting somebody else. And I quote actually a series of judgments because where these cases have gone to court, there are transcripts of those court cases, not all of which are publicly available. There are some fantastic campaign groups who buy these transcripts and make them publicly available because the state charges people for them. What? It's mad. And so I quote a few, I mean, in some cases very graphic and explicit what I'm describing.

what I'm describing and in some cases the language is very explicit but that's what we're dealing with. And if we if we gloss, if we put a gloss on that, then we aren't really looking it in the face and we aren't, we aren't going to fix this terrible, terrible problem. What does that look like fixing this problem? Because I know you've been vocal and calling for a national inquiry. Has that happened? What would that even mean?

It's been announced, but we haven't seen any progress. yet but there are there are different sort of parts to this horror there are the underlying crimes so obviously everybody who's participated in there should be in prison where they are not British citizens they should all be deported yeah then there is the cover-up and the national inquiry is is important to get to the bottom of the basic facts of like how many people are we talking about how many victims how many perpetrators. But it's, I think, really important to get to the bottom of the cover-up, because whatever rot has set in in our institutions, that this is their priority order,

has to be stripped out. It needs to be cleared out. That hasn't made a huge amount of progress. What we also need, which we don't yet have, and I've also been calling for, is a specialist unit in our national crime agency, which I think is sort of like an FBI. equivalent explicitly to investigate cover-up. So we have a grooming gang's task force to investigate perpetrators, which is doing some very good work, but we need a dedicated unit to investigate police officers,

local officials, local politicians, council members, social services, like how both the individual people making these decisions to look the other way and the senior people who built a culture, that said that that was the right thing to do, these people belong in prison. They need to be fired and imprisoned. The fact that they let this go on for this long.

Yeah. Where they're still employed by the state, they should be fired. They shouldn't get their pension. They should, and where they have actively covered up these crimes, they should be in jail. Yeah. It's astonishing. I can't even imagine.

And I can't even think of an equivalent right now in the United States. It's horrific. It is. It's really, really terrible. But we also now have we have a situation where to connect the two conversations depending on the specific crime between a quarter and a third of rapes and sexual assaults

that were committed in the UK, last year were committed by people who aren't British, by foreign-born men, almost overwhelmingly. And the proportion of people in the UK who are foreign-born is about 10%. So, you know, you're talking significantly over-indexed relative to population. Afghans in the UK, 26 times is likely to be convicted of sex crimes. Eritreans, I think at 22 times is likely to be convicted of sex crimes.

And even to say this aloud is considered to be a sort of hateful thing to say. How dare you? But the inevitable result of that line of thinking is you're basically just saying, women and girls are just expected to pay this price. So the rest of us don't have to have an awkward conversation. And that genuinely disgusts me. Yeah. It cannot go on. Sorry, this is really, that's a lot.

Yeah, it is. It's very, and unfortunately, if any of your listeners sort of want to look into it further, it just gets worse and worse. There's just so many layers to this. and they're all horrific. So we touched on this earlier, the kind of state of conservatism in the UK, but you hear a story like this and all that you're doing to bring transparency to it. And I can't help but think that everyday British folk are not looking at this and up in arms. Like we want,

like you see this in America, this resurgence of faith, this resurgence of conservative principles and people finally, finally saying, enough is enough. We're not going to fall prey to the lies of the left anymore. Do you see that semblance at all in the UK? Well, we've had, I don't know if kind of, I don't know if this was covered here, but we had and continue to have a series of protests at migrant hotels that we have in the UK. So this comes onto a whole other very substantial problem about illegal immigration. But the way that the rules currently work is if you come to the country, the last government, the last conservative government said,

if you come illegally, you can't claim asylum. This government have reversed that and said, if you come illegally, you can. But if you claim asylum and you claim to be destitute, which, of course, if you have arrived with nothing but the clothes that you're wearing, then you're immediately destitute. Then you are, then you qualify.

It is the state's responsibility to house you, feed you, clothe you and give you spending money. It costs billions of pounds a year. I can't even imagine. And we have seen and are continuing to see a series of crimes whereby not just men who come to the UK from other countries, but men who are asylum seekers who are being, who are living in these asylum hotels, life and lifestyle completely funded by the British taxpayer, who are then going out and committing sexual assaults and in some cases rapes.

And their responses are always the same. You know, I didn't know that this was the culture here. I didn't know that the UK was so strict. Was what a guy said recently who's been convicted of five sex crimes, including a child. He was in Britain for one week. One week, five. documented assaults. And he has been sentenced to 12 months.

He could serve a lot less. I would not call this strict, right? This doesn't mean my strict definition. But he said, wow, I didn't know that the UK was so strict in response to this. You know, like forcing himself on a teenager, like trying to kiss her, putting his hand on her thigh, all of this kind of thing. And then I'd do another woman as well. there was a man up in Scotland who was living in an asylum hotel and went in the middle of the day broad daylight in a town in Scotland basically dragged a 15 year old off the street and raped her

in a square nearby and sorry to answer your question we have seen in response to this a series of protests outside these asylum hotels and the convenient characterization is, oh, this is the far right. Naturally. This is. They're the fringe. Yeah. People are only worried about this because you're making this an issue.

You know, it's the talking about it somehow, not the actual facts that are the problem. And if you look at these protests, it's just demonstrably untrue. you know, these are very heavily women, lots of mothers who are worried about sending their kids to walk to school. And people are in our British way up in arms. But it's, you know, as a strength and as a challenge, we're a very tolerant people. And so people have voted time and time again for the policies that they thought would fix this. that hasn't worked yet. And now they're protesting.

But we're really trying the public's patience. They'll see it for what it is and maybe be more inclined to support the Conservative Party. Well, my hope and obviously what I dedicate my time and my career to and my professional energies is to making the Conservative Party the vehicle that I believe that it can and should be to save the country. And so of course, I hope that that gets across to people and that they're compelled by that. Where can we keep in touch with everything you're working on?

What's the best way to follow you? Oh, well, you can follow me on X. So it's Katie with an IE underscore Lamb, which is just LAM underscore MP, or on Instagram or on Facebook or your social media provider of choice. And then a lot of the, The parliamentary stuff that I've done, everything that we do in Parliament is probably the same here as filmed and available online.

So, you know, if you want to watch the original speech about the gangs, for example, you can do that. But the X is probably the easiest best way to keep in touch. What's next for you? What are you working on? What are your hopes and dreams? Well, we have, there's a very long way to go on the National Inquiry into the gangs and making sure that actually happens, that it's worth the paper that it's written on, that the outcomes are, what we want. need them to be. There is a big, we had a massive influx of immigration following the pandemic. And because of what I was talking about earlier, where after five years, you're qualified

to stay forever and you qualify for the whole welfare state. Exactly. Yeah. So I think a big, a big focus needs to be changing the rules so that we don't make that disaster, a permanent one. And so that will be a big focus for me over. There's a consultation apparently coming up. The government, I think the Home Secretary was saying today has been talking about it. But they won't want to do what we think needs to be done. So that will be a big project through the autumn. Thank you for what you're doing.

Oh, thank you so much for having me. Keep shining light when they say sunlight is the best disinfectant. Yes, absolutely. And you are doing the Lord's work over there. So thank you. And thank you for being here with us. It's my pleasure. so much.