The Daily Signal - This Nonprofit is Empowering the African American Community During COVID-19

Episode Date: May 18, 2020

COVID-19 is a great equalizer in many ways. Almost everyone is susceptible to the new coronavirus, no matter race or socioeconomic status. But some, including African Americans, the elderly, and the recently incarcerated, are more at risk. Clovia Lawrence, co-founder of Project Give Back to Community, a non-profit based in Richmond, Virginia, joins The Daily Signal podcast to explain how she is stepping up to serve African Americans affected by the pandemic. Lawrence, or “Miss Community” as some call her, says it’s critical to “go back and give to the community that has so freely given to us.”  Also on today’s show, we share your letters to the editor and a good news story about Fainting Goat Spirits, a family owned and operated distillery that has shifted their operation from whisky and vodka to hand sanitizer during COVID-19.  And be sure to check out all The Heritage Foundation webinars here: https://www.heritage.org/events. Enjoy the show! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the Daily Signal podcast for Monday, May 18th. I'm Robert Blewey. And I'm Virginia Allen. On today's show, we talk with Clovia Lawrence, the co-founder of Project Give Back to Community, a nonprofit based in Richmond, Virginia. Miss Community, as she is known, explains how her nonprofit is serving the needs of underprivileged communities during COVID-19 and specifically how they were empowering the black community with the knowledge and resources they need to stay healthy during COVID-19.

We also have your letters to the editor and a good news story about a family-owned and operated distillery that has made over 2,500 gallons of hand sanitizer during the coronavirus pandemic and has already given away over 800 gallons. Before we get started, Rob and I want to tell you about an exciting way to stay engaged with the Heritage Foundation during COVID-19. While we can't host events in person right now, Heritage is having webinars almost every day on a variety of topics, ranging from America's relationship with China to the state of our economy. These webinars are free, and you can find all of the upcoming events by visiting heritage.org

slash events. You can also click the link in today's show notes. Now stay tuned for today's show. Coming up next. I am joined by Clovia Lawrence, the co-founder of Project Give Back to Community, a nonprofit based in Richmond, Virginia. Clovia, thanks so much for being here. Thank you so much for handing me. Now, I just love the name of your organization, Project, Give Back to Community, because that's exactly what you all are doing.

It's what you have been doing since you founded your organization in 2015, and it certainly is what you're doing right now during COVID-19. Let's begin by just talking a little bit about the initiative that you all started. Send a mask, gloves, and hand sanitizer. Tell me about that. Well, let's start here. This would have been the 13th year. that I hosted my

Senda Kid to Camp Radiothon. So we've been doing that. This would have been the 13th year to send kids to summer day camps all summer and after school programs once they get back. Well, we know schools are out. We know summer camps are out. So we just did a spinoff with the Senda

Masked Glove and Hand Sanitizer. So with my organization, we provide the gloves. We met with another organization that provided all of the masks. So we decided to come together. radio station, which is my media partner, they were like, whoa, we have leftover hand sanitizer from all of our live remote broadcast. So let's put it together. So that's when we birth the send a mask glove and hand sanitizer giveaway. Not only for our underserved communities, but our communities of

color for the elderly community and also for our frontline workers as well. Yeah, I love it. So practical, so good. But I know you all have been doing even more. Can you tell us a little bit about some of the other initiatives and projects that you've been working on around COVID-19 and helping your community? Well, the first thing that we wanted to do not only is to give away the mask, the gloves, and the hand sanitizer, but when we go into underserved communities, we found that a lot of people are hungry. They're just really hungry. This includes the adults down to our children, as well. We teamed up with the Richmond Public School System to provide lunch, breakfast, and lunch for kids, Monday through Friday,

and we also give them weekend packages. So that's one of our initiatives as well. But in the process of doing that, we noticed that some parents weren't wearing mask and gloves as well. So we wanted to make sure we put masking gloves in their hands as well, and also give them information about RBA strong about information

if you're seeking unemployment benefits, of other information about housing, and how to continue to get food. So these are just some of the resources. that we try to be that funnel to the community. Because a lot of times when you put the word out and news out to the masses, for some reason, our under-resourced communities that get the information last. So we want to make sure we balance everything out.

Yeah, now, that's so practical. And I think often people just don't exactly know where to go to get that information or those resources. So that is awesome that you all are making that so readily available for people. Now, I do want to take a second and just learn. a little bit more about the work that you all do as an organization when there's not a global pandemic going on. You mentioned the summer camps that you all do, but I would love just to take a second for you to share a little bit about the overarching kind of mission and vision of your group. Well, we started, as you said, Project Give Back to Community, which is a nonprofit organization

in 2015, and we wanted to give returning citizens, men who were returning from incarceration, and women an opportunity to give back greatly to their communities and be a valuable asset and no longer a liability. So the best way for us to do that is provide housing. And we wanted to provide housing, not just the halfway house and you collect furniture from here and there. And you said, oh, wow, you stay in this bed. But we wanted to give them remnants of home because we went into the prisons to say, hey,

look, if we started providing emergency roofing for you, what would be the reasons you will stay or leave. And they said, oh, my God, just the house look a mess. The, you know, the, the beds feel like I'm still in prison and all of those things. So we did that survey. So we wanted to come out and say, we wanted people to live the way we live in our homes. So that's what we designed it. And we called them the clothes house named after me. And we have six houses and 24 beds. So we provide housing for men that are returning from incarceration. We are in partnership with the Virginia Department of Corrections. And once they leave the house in 90 days, they are usually working.

And we try to move them into their permanent housing, whether it's helping them to get their credit score up to purchase a home or move into an apartment or be restored fully to their families. Wow. That's amazing. And that passion to serve those that are incarcerated has carried over to really practically how you can be helping people during COVID-19. Can you talk a little bit about your work right now?

in the prisons. What we try to do is when they first come home, we want to make sure that they feel safe. We make sure we have thermometers that are in the house. We make sure we have PPE for them. They have masks. They have gloves and they have lots of disinfectant because once again, once you return from incarceration, we want you to feel comfortable where you are because with COVID-19, everybody is afraid of it. You know, you don't know who's going to catch it, who has it or whatever. So the one thing we want to do is make sure all of the closed houses are thoroughly disinfected. We have signs up to tell everybody to continuously wash your hands and wipe down the doorknobs. And so those things are very important to rest assured.

And for the men who are still incarcerated, who will be coming home possibly, that's where the peer support comes in. Also, we have the day one video. And it's a video that is in maybe about 24 of the prisons that we produced with men who had returned. turn from incarceration. So it was like a 198 years of men who were incarcerated talking about the education, talking about coming together as a community, talking about continuing your education. So

that video is out once men do go into the walls behind the prison wall, they have that video to watch. So it's the day one of your sentence and day one of you starting your re-entry. And then what we want to do is to stay connected also with the men and women on the outside, we do the day one public service announcements.

And these are actual public service announcements from inmates, male and female on the inside that's giving hope to the community. So what happens is we had a young lady who had problems with addiction. She OD with her three-month-old and her arms. So on the outside, and we're running these on our website and also on the radio, and she's saying, get help. You don't want to come to where I am. Get help and don't be afraid to ask for help.

So what we try to do is utilize the prisoners to make sure we stop and promote public safety on the outside. Wow, that's so powerful. That's amazing. Now, I do want to take a minute and just talk about how COVID-19 has really been affecting the African-American community. I know that you're friends with Kay Coles James, the president of the Heritage Foundation. We love her dearly. She's wonderful. She tells the story of recently visiting one of her favorite restaurants in Richmond. She also lives in Richmond like you do. And she walked in to pick up a takeout order. And as she was standing in line, she realized that she was the only African American who had gloves and a mask on. And when she began to ask the question why that was, she discovered that many minority communities are really hesitant to trust the information. that government officials are telling them. And so in response, Mrs. James made a PSA talking about the importance of, you know, wearing gloves

and masks and that personal protective equipment. So first, I want to ask you, do you think that that's true that there is this level of mistrust? And secondly, how are you all working with the African American community in order to make sure that they're educated about COVID-19? Well, it all starts with partnerships. And I believe to be a resource to the community. That means going directly to the doctors. We have Dr. Danny Abula, who is director of the Richmond and Henrico Health District to talk

about pre-COVID testing in the African American communities and underserved communities. If you're having some symptoms of COVID-19 and or you've been exposed to someone with COVID-19. And I also have doctors on from the Capital Area Health Network to talk about the antibody testing. And the antibody testing is not the actual PCR test of the navel's nasal swab, but it's just lets you know if you had come in contact with someone with COVID-19 or the antibodies, whether it was months ago to yesterday and the near present. If you have come in contact and you have the antibodies, then immediately they want you to get the PCR testing.

So putting some of those information out, Dr. Danny Abula, and also having African-American doctors to be a part of it. and also having our governor on, who is the governor of the Commonwealth, but he's also a doctor as well to talk about, I know and I understand the Tuskegee experiment, but these were people in a private room. And so what I do, Virginia, has posed their question. When you're talking about the mistrust of government when it comes to African Americans or people of color, and I said, wow. So how old are you? And you might say, I'm 30, 40, 50, 60. So you mean to tell me since your day of birth, you haven't seen a physician.

And you know what they say to me? Oh, that's crazy. Of course I've gone to the doctor. What is the difference? What is the difference? And the only thing that the community is telling us, the CDC is telling us, to protect other people and protect yourselves,

both your children or the elderly. Just simply cover your face, or wear masks and gloves when you go out. and use disinfectant to clean off the surfaces that you use constantly. Whether it's surfaces in your home, whether it's door knobs, whether it's light fixtures, and the switchers, you have to do that because what happens is it's this old saying, non-blacks can get a cold. Black people would get the flu.

Nine blacks will get the flu. Black people get pneumonia. White people get pneumonia. Guess what? Black folks get COVID-19. And our numbers are huge numbers. And what I say to people all the time, when I go back to the game show, I said, mask for 500, Alex, mask versus ventilator. And so these are things that we have to think about.

So what we do strategically, our sole purpose is when we're talking to folks in the underserved and under-resourced communities and communities of color, we're saying, do you love your mother? Do you love your father? because if you love your mother and father, you don't want to be the carrier of COVID-19 because you don't want to wear a mask or gloves. And they die and you say, oh, it wasn't a conspiracy. So why do we want to take that chance on the ones that we love? So our conversation is a little different when we go out into the community. The blessing about it, I'm not a part of the political arena.

So I don't have to be political. I can go out into the community as someone who loves the community, someone with firsthand information. but I'm going to deliver it in love and truth. Yeah, and that's huge. That is huge to have that delivery of love and truth. So it just allows people to be really receptive. And I mean, like you say, unfortunately, we have seen that numbers of COVID-19

among the African-American community have been quite high. And experts are trying to figure out why that is. People are kind of scratching their heads in some ways. Do you have any thoughts on why that might be? In some instances, and not the larger spectrum, but let's talk about the communities that I've seen, underserved and under-resourced communities. When you're living in communities and you get a lot of resources that are free, it is not the best quality of food. It is not going to be the best quality of food, whether you get all of your foods and your vegetables. You do that with your SNAP programs, but who really buys vegetables a lot?

I think a lot of times nutrition has been a factor. So we have a higher amount of chronic illnesses when it comes to heart disease, when it comes to lung disease, upper respiratory disease. Because in some instances, you can associate that with the food. We have clusters of people. Wherever there are clusters of people, when you're talking about public housing or shared spaces, there's bound to be a cluster of disease. Because you have no spacing. And so when we're talking about a cluster of people living together in basically one place, one area, there's a possibility they all will contract COVID-19. So that's why it's important for us as communities.

If you have shared spaces, you have to be mindful. If we have a shared space and we can't distance ourselves, well, if you go in the kitchen, I won't go in the kitchen. There are all sorts of things that we can do. why don't we take this opportunity during COVID-19 to eat more fruits and vegetables, to get more vitamin C in, to take vitamins, to look into it. But of course, contact your primary care physician first. And if something doesn't feel right, and this is one thing that I tell and I share with people in particular the African American community, heart attacks, strokes, lung disease, lung cancer, has not been distracted by COVID-19.

People are having heart attacks, symptoms, people are having strokes who are not calling their PCP, nor are they calling 9-11, because they fear going to the hospitals because of COVID-19. Yeah. Really sad.

What we have to do is stop looking at, you know, government from the top to deal with the issues of COVID-19. concerns when it comes to our communities. I had a conversation, oh my goodness, I call it the Queen of Virginia, Mrs. Kay Coles, James, and I said, we have a big population of people. There will be some people who want to just deal with the masses, the upper class, and you want to have people that's going to deal with the middle class, and then you're going to have people that deal with the lower class, and then you're going to have people that we call them the least of

them. And these are the people that I want to deal with, because if we deal with the people, quote, on the bottom and we build them up, we can balance everything out. And so that's where I want to be. I didn't grow up poor, but you have to have a heart for people because we have a dreaded spread of coronavirus. Yeah. Yeah, no, that heart for people, that's so critical. Well, and one of the other groups that sadly has been really negatively impacted by COVID-19 is the elderly population. and specifically those living in nursing homes. Canterbury Rehabilitation and Health Center in Richmond, they have seen more than 50 COVID-19 related deaths among their residents. James Wright is the medical director of the center, and he said during a news briefing in April that if he could do anything differently, he said,

I would have a nursing home founded by a society that puts more emphasis on treating our elders the way they should be treated. What are your thoughts on this? Well, I remember visiting nursing homes years gone by. I'll say 15 to 20 years when I was in college at Virginia Union and we had to do some community service work when I joined my sorority, Delta Sigma Theta's Royalty Incorporated. And when I walked into this particular nursing home, right, it smelled really bad. And it was almost to the point of of is the restroom in the lobby. And so from that point on, I'm like, who's visiting our elderly population for this place to smell like that?

Have we put our family members into these homes and leave them? Because we trust the social workers and the nurses. Now, I'm not blaming anyone, but for that number to be that high, to me, I'm not sure, but it seems like to me a lot of surfaces weren't clean. Yeah. That's just my assessment. And I'm not looking anyone. To me, it's like, you know, surfaces, you know, the spread of germs and surfaces to me.

And it's just amazing. And it's so sad that we have those, the elderly population that that's there who can't come home to live with their family members because they need direct care. So you're in between a rock and a hard place. You can't go get mama because mama can't live in your household. And so, you know, at this point, it's a lot of prayer. And with COVID-19, it has opened our eyes to a lot of things. It has opened our eyes to some of the things that we try to bury

when it comes to the racial divide, when you have people who think that they're superior. And this COVID-19 has, you know, name, rank, capital, whether you're a billionaire to a no-nayer. Yep. You can contract COVID-19. It is in our White House right now. Yeah.

And so we have got to stop and look at this and take this opportunity to say, God, what do you want us to do? And I hear people talking about, oh, it's our new normal. Oh, it's our new normal. I'm pretty sure whenever we started out in our careers or whenever something has happened tragic in our families or we have lost loved ones, I'm pretty sure a lot of us have dropped down on our knees and prayed. Okay? Yeah. So the normal is to go back and call God, name openly. Remember, we wanted to take God out of everything. And now we got to put it back. Yeah. Who's going to get us out of this? Nobody else. A billionaire cannot stop this COVID today. Yeah. Yeah. Can't stop it. So the normal is, the new normal, if you will, is the same normal as

been. Call on the father and I'll be there for you. Amen to that. Well, and I think, you know, right now I feel like we're all, we're all being faced with this choice. As we watch the news and, you know, we see how COVID-19 is, like you say, it's affecting everyone. And some communities, maybe more than others. But, you know, we're kind of left with this choice of am I going to get offended? Am I going to get angry or am I going to take action? And I love that you have taken action from a place of really a servant's heart, of wanting to help, of wanting to impact your community in a positive way.

Why was that your response? That was my response because, as I said, I had this on my mind as I was doing my prayer. And I said, wow, this is going to disproportionately affect the black and brown communities. all right and I said I have to be the leader in my community and being a leader doesn't mean that I'm just leading I had to hear from God to Father I had to go into prayer with this because see I could be at home with my family I'm going out three times in a week with my team dealing with people with no mask on no gloves and who doesn't care about COVID-19. So when I had to do that, God didn't tell me go to government.

He didn't say, hey, contact someone from the city. He didn't tell me to call a Richmond City Council person because you're going to be in their district. He didn't say, hey, call the governor and let them know what you're doing. Call your deli-dele your senator. Call Tim Kane and let him know what you're doing. he brought two small businesses whose business was down because of COVID-19. They had a supply of masks and a supply of gloves and hand sanitizer to give away.

Let's go back and get to the community that has so freely given to us. And I think that is the greatest thing that's God ordained. And that's all I mean, Virginia, that's all I can say about doing. it. And don't you know we are multiplied every week? We have two small businesses, Brenner Pass, which is a restaurant in Scott's edition. And then we have another restaurant of a man who retired from corporate who provides 200 meals a week for us when we go out in the community. So we're doing the mask, gloves, hand sanitizer, and fresh meals, immune system building meals. This is only God or dating. That's it. Yeah. It's exciting. So how can our listeners learn more about Project Give Back

to Community and how can they get involved? Yes. First of all, you can go to our website at Project Give Back to Community.org. That's Project Give Back to Community.org. You can follow us on Instagram at Project Give Back to Community. You can also follow us on Twitter. at Give underscore Community. And you can also follow me on my Instagram at Community underscore Clow. And I just want to mention the great sponsors that we have,

True Medical Transport and Ola Dario Gundy, a project Give Back to Community for providing the mask and gloves. And we're just excited about the team of, you know, Stack Mill Entertainment, our radio stations, I Power 902.1, and kiss at them and praise Richmond,

we're all coming together to make it happen because we believe in people. One death, Virginia is too many. Even if you say, hey, the debts are low, the debts are under 1,000 in Virginia, one death is too many. And so that's what we have to work from. And that's what our sole purpose and passion is.

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fainting goat spirits in Greensboro, North Carolina. thanks so much for being here. I'm happy to be here. Now, today we're talking about one of the commodities that is extremely challenging to find in stores right now, and that's hand sanitizer. When COVID-19 hit, the FDA asked distilleries to consider switching their production from spirits to hand sanitizer, and that's exactly what you all did. So tell us a little bit about how you made that switch and why you decided to make that switch.

Sure. Well, we currently, before all of this happened, we made vodka, gin, single malt whiskey, rite whiskey, and bourbon. So on a Wednesday, we were making a bourbon, and the next day we decided the best thing to do for our community is to switch over to hand sanitizer. Because we already make vodka and vodka starts at 190 proof, we already had on hand the most important piece of that formula. Absolutely. So how much hand sanitizer have you all made? Right now we're making about 1,200 gallons every week of hand sanitizer. Out of that, we, at a distillery, we just open to the public and say, if anybody in the community needs hand sanitizer, all they have to do is drive by the distillery, bring a small container, and we refill it for them at no cost. So out of that 1,200 gallons a week, we probably give away about 400 of those. and then for first responders and essential businesses and health care facilities that need it, we sell about 800 gallons out of that every week.

Wow. I mean, that's hard to imagine that much hand sanitizer. I was thinking, you know, gallon-sized jugs and alone you all are giving away 400 gallons every week. That's just absolutely incredible. So what has been the response from people in your community and across North Carolina? A great appreciation. I mean, you know, we've been a part of the Greensboro community for 40 years. And so I think everybody has a role to contribute when the time comes.

And this just happens to be our role. And so we knew we just needed to do this. And so, you know, people are so grateful. They're so appreciative. They're so kind when they come by. And my favorite question, when I get a phone call that says, are you guys selling hand sanitizer? And I'm able to say, no, we're actually giving it away for free.

you can't imagine the elation on our end to be able to say that to hear the joy in that person's voice. Wow, so, so cool. Now, your business is called fainting goat spirits in part because you say on your website that just like a fainting goat that, you know, when they fall down, they always get back up. And that's sort of a part of your business model to where when there are challenges, you all always get back up and you rise from those. And certainly you're doing that right now during COVID-19. Can you tell me just a little bit about how your business is weathering through this really challenging time? Well, in North Carolina, as in almost all states, bars and restaurants are shut down. And because we make such a high quality spirit, the cocktail programs are really where we get the most of our sales in bars and restaurants.

So once the bars and restaurants shut down, it really impacted our sales of spirits. But with the hand sanitizer, we never looked at this as a product. making endeavor, but it certainly has allowed us cash flow to continue to keep our doors open when we would not have had that before. So it's been a blessing in that way to us as well. So do you have any idea when you're going to be able to reopen those doors and start making and selling your spirits again? Well, well, originally we were we were told that they're going to give us permission through June to do this. and we got a notification the other day that said we may be allowed through December, that it may be a shortage all the way through December.

For our whiskey products, it really doesn't impact us right now. For anything that we have aging, we'll see the impact of that in about 2024, 2025 when we have a six or an eight-month gap of having put whiskey back. On a short-term basis, it impacts our vodka and our gin production. And so we're trying to figure out a way now to out of the seven days and a week, week, at least two of those begin producing vodka and gin so we don't lose the shelf space, lose the revenue and get that back on the market. So being an American small business owner and really dealing with a pandemic and all of the

challenges that have arisen because of COVID-19, you all have found a really unique way to sort of try and navigate all of this. Is there any encouragement that you could offer to other small business owners that they're trying to still make some sort of a profit to keep their doors open? And they're also just trying to stay hopeful. Absolutely. And this is not the only business that we have here in Greensboro. We've had a massage therapy practice called Needed Energy that we've had for the last 21 years. And we have about 40 employees over there. So I understand not just how we spun here to try to do.

do what we could do for the hand sanitizer, but that business also has a completely different impact from this where, you know, we've had to furlough 40 employees. So, but we know that this is going to be gone. This is going to be over and that everybody is struggling right now and everybody's going to be so excited once all of this is over and we're sort of free back to go back to our normal life. And I think that for a small business especially, people, they've sort of refocus what is important to them. And small business has become very, very important for everybody. So I think there's going to be a tremendous amount of support once this is over for businesses like ourselves and other small businesses where people have sort of evaluated their values again

and what is important to them by looking around and seeing what's happening to the small business around them. So I think it's going to be very, very positive when the light comes out. And we're all back to going back and being who we were before. Yeah. No, I think you're right. I'm very hopeful for that as well, Bill. Now, what can people like myself Americans be doing to support businesses like yours right now? Making sure you know who those businesses are, whether it's buying gift certificates now for the future or thinking about how you're going to support them when everything is opened back.

But first, you have to figure out what businesses in your community are struggling right now, what business. businesses are struggling and what can I do once this is over to help support them. It's first about identifying who those businesses are. I think if most communities are like ours in Greensboro, we all know who those businesses are. We all know who's struggling right now and we all know who's contributing to the community right now. And I think restaurants will have the most difficult time when all of this is over. But again, if they're a community like Greensboro, then the community knows who those people are and really wants to help them come back.

Yeah, well, Bill, we certainly say a huge thank you to you all and what you guys are doing. And the next time I'm down in the Greensboro area, I'll be sure to stop by Fitting Goat Spirits. It's really exciting to see what y'all are doing. So thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. All right. Thank you. All right.

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