The Daily Zeitgeist - 2 Dumb 2 Crime, Flame Roasted Suckerberg 10.25.19

Episode Date: October 25, 2019

In episode 502, Jack and Miles are joined by Worst Year Ever, Some More News, and Even More New's Cody Johnston to discuss Wall Street Journal attempting to save Trump's presidency, GOP experiencing Trump fatigue, Trump possibly throwing Pence under the bus, the return of the Popeye's Chicken Sandwich, Mark Zuckerberg being roasted by congress, and more!FOOTNOTES: Schiff’s Secret Bombshells Trump Fatigue Is Now a Thing Among Republicans Trump Just Sent Another Big Signal He’ll Throw Pence Under The Bus, Rachel Maddow Says Rachel Maddow Reveals How Trump May Have Thrown Pence Under The Bus To Save Himself Popeyes Warns America Its Chicken Sandwich Will Return Next Month Mocking Mark Zuckerberg's hair became such a meme that even this congresswoman got involved BREAKING: CEO Grossly Underpays Employees Doing Excruciating Work, Won't Commit to Doing This Work Himself @RashidaTlaib: Here's a photo of a man holding a rifle outside of a mosque intimidating fellow Americans. Mr. Zuckerberg, yes or no: does this meet your community standards? @AOC: Why did you name the Daily Caller as a fact-checker for FB? I thought what @AOC did to Mark Zuckerberg was bad. But Congresswoman Joyce Beatty showed why black women are undefeated  WATCH: Jel- Sweet Cream In it Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 105, Episode 5 of Your Daily Zeitgeist! Yeah! A production of iHeartRadio, this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say, officially, off the top, fuck coke industries and fuck Fox News. It's Friday, October 25th, 2019. It's the season finale. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Awa, awa. He got so high, he can't try to hide it.

Now his hands don't know what to do. He smoked four joints. He's sweaty in the armpits. Sweaty in the armpits. His shirt's staining through. He got too high, got too high, and now his hands don't know what to do. All right, little Paul Simon. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray!

And I ran. I ran out of hot takes. Never. I just ran. I missed the miles of gray. I couldn't find a taste. Boom. You got to do that delayed guitar.

You got to. Shout out to the goddess Hannah Soltis for that Flock of Seagulls inspired. Oh, is that Flock of Seagulls? That's what you put in the hashtag. Huh. I don't know. I just know that song from Vice City. I only knew Flock of Seagulls from the reference in Pulp Fiction.

And I knew it from Tommy Boy, I think is also another one. When he's like, hey, Flock of Seagulls, when he's talking about the person's hairstyle at the ticket counter. Anyway. Anyways, my AKA was courtesy of M. Smoot. Thank you, M. Smoot, for just having a good sense of my vocal range and nailing it. Which Paul Simon song was that?

Diamonds on the soles of her shoes. Oh. Yeah, man. Couldn't you tell? I feel like every white girl I've dated. I thought I was really in the pocket there. Every white girl I've dated refers to that song as their dad's favorite song. I'm not even joking.

I'm like, why are you listening to this? It's my dad's favorite. I don't know. I grew up listening to it a lot. I'm like, all right. I mean, no shade to Paul Simon. I think he's great. Yeah. Just a thing I've's my dad's. I don't know. I grew up listening to it a lot. I'm like, all right. I mean, no shade to Paul Simon. I think he's great. Yeah.

Just a thing I've observed. The best. I don't believe in absolutes. Tiny man. Good friends with Lorne Michaels. Things I know about Paul Simon. Anyways, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the hosts, or the host of the Streamy-nominated Some More News YouTube series.

Y'all should be watching that if you're not. The Even More News podcast, and of course, the future Oscar nominee podcast, Worst Year Ever. Worst! He is Mr. Cody Johnson. Hello. Welcome. Hey, what's up, man?

Thank you. I have no song prepared. Okay, what's up, man? Thank you. I have no song prepared. Okay. What the fuck, man? I know. Do you like Paul Simon? We talked about this. I like Paul Simon.

Do you like Diamonds on the Soles of Your... I do. I wouldn't say my dad's favorite song, but what you said is absolutely true. You know a lot of women who learned about Paul Simon through their fathers. Yeah, yeah. Right. Inherited Paul Simon fandom. Yeah, but also he's very good. Oh, I think he's great. You know? lot of women who learned about Paul Simon through their fathers. Through their fathers. Yeah, yeah. Right. Inherited Paul Simon fandom. Yeah. But also he's very good.

Oh, I think he's great. You know? Very talented man. Loved his work with Ladysmith Black Mambazo. You know, love that work. Was that Graceland? The people that he sort of took quote inspiration from? The African vocalists? On Graceland? Yeah. Yeah. And then they did a ton of Lifesavers commercials in the early 90s.

Oh, did they? If you remember that. They're like, oh, na, na, Wintel Green. Oh, yeah yeah yeah and then they did a ton of Lifesavers commercials in the early 90s oh did they remember that they're like good for the winter green oh yeah what the fuck is this I'm like it's Lady Smith Black Mimosa in the fucking building all right well Cody uh it's great to have you congratulations on the uh streamy nominations the future Oscar nominations for worst year ever of course uh we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. We're going to check in with, I think the Wall Street Journal may have saved Donald Trump's presidency. Yeah, 100%. We're going to hear what the new angle they came up with is.

We're going to ask the question, is trump fatigue setting in for republicans and is trump fatigue setting in inside his brain um we're gonna look at an argument from one of trump's attorneys in new york a lot of trump stuff have you guys heard about this guy, Trump. That joke will never get old. And whether he is planning to throw Mike Pence under the proverbial bus. We're going to check in with Popeyes. It's been 64 days since our last bite of chicken sandwich. The best chicken sandwich I think I've had. From a quick service restaurant. I don't know, man.

I enjoyed it. sandwich I think I've had. From a quick service restaurant? I don't know, man. I enjoyed it. You got to take all expectations, everything into account. I was really feeling that. We're going to check in with them. What became of the chicken sandwich? When will we see it again? Yeah, looking to the future. We're going to check in with Mark Zuckerberg, who rocked the Caesar on Capitol Hill and, yeah, had some explaining to do. Dude, his lineup was foul. Yeah. People called it micro bangs.

That shit is a Caesar. He had the white boy Caesar haircut. He was like, I would like a lineup like the guys I play pickup basketball with. And they're like, okay, how are we going to do it with this hair? Just comb it all in front. He's super into Caesar.

That's why. It's like on purpose. Dude, you think so? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just like looks at old statues. He's super into Caesar. That's why. It's like on purpose. Do you think so? Yeah. He just like looks at old statues. He's talked about it. Yeah, he's like brilliant of the classics, right? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, so do you think, oh, so, wow. Well, let's, we'll get into that then. I like that then. No, but he, a lot of his thinking and stuff is influenced by old timey philosophy. And who's hot and who's not. That's his favorite. That's his favorite platonic ideal of hotness. But first, Cody, what is something from your search history

that is revealing about who you are? Well, I mean, aside from the standard stuff, where it's like Bill Maher 9-11 apology stuff and just like Bill Maher standard research. What is that? He's a guy

he says some stuff about 9-11 got canceled. When was that? Right after 9-11. Oh, okay. An 18-year-old cancellation.

But like a personal thing I've recently been Googling woodworking classes and shops you can rent like rent out tables and shops. You can rent tables and stuff. I live in an apartment.

I don't have access to anything like that. You look like a woodworker. You got the pencil and shit. I got tape measure. But no pocket protector, right? What kind of protective eyewear do you have? Nerd shit. What kind of protective eyewear do you have?

No brand? No. My current glasses, I guess. It's very Nick Offerman of you to get into woodworking. I just want to build. I need a new coffee table and I'd rather build it. Do you have a style you're trying to build?

Just something. Rectangle with some legs. Exactly. Have you talked to Soren about that? No. I probably should, though. He's a builder. Yeah.

It's annoying. Yeah, it is. All the great furniture in his house, he hand built. It's disgusting. The last time I was there, I was like, oh, that's nice. Yeah, I built it. All right, man. Fuck you, man.

All right. Where'd you build it? Do you want to come out and have some of the delicious avocados from the tree that I planted in the soil that I created with my worm farm? Fuck off, Soren. I think the first time I went to his house, an avocado almost hit me on my head in his backyard. And I was like, what the fuck was this?

I was like, oh, this thing's teeming with avocados. It's like, oh, wow. They started throwing them off because they're just so ripe. One house in LA that has the avocados still intact because the fucking squirrels and shit aren't just destroying them. Right. He's actually trained all the squirrels around his house to do chores for him. Hey, you missed a spot. They can say, I'm sorry.

Yeah. Basic phrases. He's taught them. Are you going to get into, do you think, joineryery like joints for woodworking eventually like is you think this this path will lead you into like some really cool carpentry stuff or you just want to sort of get the basics i know it will oh wow fantastic i don't think it will friend um no i just it's more just like uh i i spend too much time uh reading about like i said bill marr and you're like let me do something with my hands

yeah exactly exactly speaking of woodworking have you heard about uh this simple woodworker who had a message of love that he uh spread through his 12 friends sorry don't tell me more nick offerman yes that is uh what is something you think is underrated oh wait we're talking about jesus yeah that's fucking tight jesus christ jesus christ is fucking tight yeah yeah uh i don't know i i've just become familiar with his works through uh kanye has an album coming out this dude jesus yeah yeah it's coming out today i think uh he he has already announced the follow-up album before releasing the first album so yeah jesus is born yeah that's not even a joke i thought it was a headline when it was like he hasn't there's jesus king now wait that's not a joke no christmas day apparently christmas album uh what is uh

what's something you think is underrated um i think mondays are kind of underrated mondays just by garfield or yeah, they get a bad rap. I think it's, you know, you're off the weekend, so obviously you're a little groggy, but you start your routine again. You do your coffee, go in, and you complain with everybody about how Mondays are bad. Right.

I think it brings people together. Yeah. And it gets you going. I also am saying this having not had a real job in a long time. So you miss going in on Mondays? Yeah. I was like, yeah, what's Monday like for you? I mean, it's like Saturday.

Do you get the Tuesday? Do you have that thing where you get the Sunday scaries? No. Weekends mean nothing to me. Right. Because it's all blur. Well, also, we shoot our show on the weekends often. Got it. So my weekend is like,

I don't know, Wednesday. Right. So if I get the Tuesday scary, it's like a motherfucker. Well, today's my Monday. Um,

and I'm having a great time. So I think Mondays are underrated. Yeah. Monday, Thursdays as Mondays are underrated. Miles, are you a Sunday scary guy? It depends.

When I hated my job. Yeah. Right. That's when you get them. Yeah. That's the thing, right? When I, when I hated my job, that's when you get them. That's the thing, right? When I like my job, I don't hate going in on Monday because I enjoy it. It's usually, I've had it the worst, man, when I worked at fucking Playboy.

Woo, shit. Fucking like blackout in the middle of the day. Yeah. Like almost trying to be like, I don't know, I'm going to go in there. Yeah. But I need healthcare and money. Healthcare is underrated. Healthcare, yeah, but I need health care and money. Health care is underrated. Health care, yeah, unfortunately.

Hugely underrated. Hugely underrated. But I think that's really the part of the thing, too, is also being able to navigate that shit, too, because after a while I was just resigned to the fact that I'm like, Sundays are going to be the most chaotic day mentally for me because I'm just like, And I'm like, Sundays are going to be the most chaotic day, like mentally for me, because I'm just like versus trying to like kind of confront whatever the source of the anxiety was.

Yeah. Dismantle that. You know, is this a moment? Is this an opportunity for growth? Exactly. Or do I just resign to the fact of or just like wallowing in your own anxiety? Take care of what's under the surface and then above the surface is going to look better. Exactly. surface and then above the surface is going to look better exactly have you thought about uh trying have you ever read those articles where people go in and pretend they work at a place uh just to like get the vibe of the is this a joke no no i swear there's there's somebody who

wrote an article about how they just went and worked at a company without actually having a job there for like a month or something what is this weird is this a weird way of telling cody worst year ever is not in fact on this network isn't that crazy like you came i gotta go back and record this it was like a uh it was very 90s like gen x yeah i'm fucking with a man by oh wait so like weird, wait, so like weird, like ironic appreciation of work? Wait, so like putting on like a suit and tie, walking into an office, taking an elevator up, going into the kitchen,

where I'd imagine people would be like, who the fuck are you? Yeah, just sitting at an empty desk, setting your shit up. Yeah. Like think about all the empty desks there used to be in our office back in Santa Monica. We could have rented them out to weirdos

who want to pretend to have jobs. Yeah, exactly. Like, I work at Cracked, too. Yeah, sure you do, man. Even on the Wall Street Journal later, there's a headline earlier today about people who try to lessen the short of work week. Yeah, short of work week and short of work days.

And they're like, yeah, one of the downsides is that people had so much fun when they weren't working, it diminished their passion for their work. It's like, why are you fetishizing this? It's so weird. But that's such a capitalistic take for the downfall to your employees being happy. It's like, you might not be able to get a lot of shit out of them now. It's like, I bet actually during that work, they do better work because they're happy when they're not.

Right. Yeah, it's a really- While their gross happiness went up, their net happiness at the job went down. And therefore, that is the most important happiness. So you have to cut it out. You have to come in early on Monday. What was like the first line of sort of like the, like one of the negatives of the short week? It was literally just like the downside.

Yeah, it was like The first word is downside and you're like, oh, what? And then the short work week happened. Where are we going? Sounds great, guys. I don't know what you're talking about. So weird. Yeah, I find it works better

to do the opposite and just work all the time and then the rest of your life seems shitty because your family's left you and people are just – You're not appreciated anywhere. You're not even heating up those frozen dinners. All you ever do is talk about work.

But then by comparison, your work life is actually pretty lit. I mean you haven't lived until you've had a Stouffer's frozen tuna noodle casserole that you just kind of leave out and then just once it gets a little bit to ice cream softness, eat it like that. That's true happiness. What is something you think is overrated? Binge watching?

Binge watching. From what? Break it down for me. I understand it and I do it. I participate. I think that for most shows, it kind of ruins the show a little bit and the viewing experience and how you like digest a show and understand and appreciate it. I think it's different for a show like Stranger Things. I think it's mostly makes sense because it's a long movie. Yeah. Um,

and there's no, it's not like you watch an episode and you can be like, Oh, the theme of this episode was this. And like, here's what this was about. Um, because it's a completely different thing. But I think for most shows you,

it benefits you to have a little time in between. So you watch what happens and you can think about it and you can, yeah, sort of digest like, here's what that episode was about it makes distinctions between them sure um like i mean these days when after i binge watch a show i can't really say like oh that one episode of the show it all blurs together it's just that one season of the show you the one one moment from a season of a show is what you're

talking about as opposed to like, that episode was good. Yeah, yeah. And I think it benefits to accept that. Is there a show that you realize you're like, this should not be binged? Because you talk about shows, you understand what's binging. What's one that you're recently like, I'm glad. Or is there a show that you could have binged and you're like, I'm not going to binge it? Fleabag is the most recent show I really binged and consumed all of it.

I don't think that was necessarily a terrible experience because it's so good. Right. Um, but even that, I feel like if I took a little more time, I would like really appreciate it a lot more. It was like two days and I was done because it's so good. Yeah. Um, and, and immediately as I was done, I was like, I want to watch it again. Right.

I didn't, uh, cause I have a to watch it again. Right. I didn't, uh, cause I have a little bit of self control, but I don't even think that feeling would have happened if I had waited. Yeah. You know, like, cause you give it a little more time and then when it's over,

it feels complete. Like, okay, I spent a while and I watched this show and now it's done. Now I can move on as opposed to like, Oh, it's all in my brain. I want to watch it again.

And you sort of have to go back and, and rewatch some stuff. I think from a marketing standpoint, just as a network, it behooves networks to draw out a moment for a show for fucking months. Because you have repeated, you can renew the conversation weekly. Exactly. Because a lot of Netflix shows, they drop it. Everyone with their takes. There's one week of takes and then fucking silence.

Yeah, it happens and it's done. Right. And also, I think for me as a viewer too, when things are all available immediately, that almost puts me off to watching a show because I'm like, fuck, I miss that wave. I don't know what the fuck people are talking about. At least if it's weekly, I'm like, well, I have a few days to catch up or whatever. It's exhausting to see a show like, oh, the whole thing dropped.

Ah, what? Do I need to watch it all now? Like the new Watchmen show. If that were available altogether, I think that'd be a terrible viewing experience. Right. Because it's very clearly like, okay, this episode is about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even the titles are very specific.

Like they're saying something. And if you just watch it all, it's kind of a blur and you don't really catch everything. Yeah. I mean, the graphic novel is not just one big drawing am I right exactly not the Guernica

think about that wow I didn't think about it that way though Cody Lindelof think about it that way yeah

finally what is a myth what's something people think is true you know to be false this isn't like an everyday thing I think it's interesting vomitoriums

yeah they're not real vomitoriums vomitoriums yeah uh they don't they're not real vomitorium vomitorium it's like you know vomitorium oh so uh there's a myth basically that ancient romans had vomitoriums basically where like they would eat in excess and they'd go to a room and they'd throw up and so they can go eat again but vomitorium, that word referred to entrances to like coliseums. Yeah. Because it's like you spew people into it. From a certain height, it looked like the coliseum was vomiting people out onto the pavement. Oh, right, right, right.

Yeah. Right. That's a cool way to just rename an exit. Right. Isn't it? Yeah. But people were like, ah, vomitorium, these idiots were- Yeah, these decadent fools were throwing up on purpose.

When did that myth start up? I have no idea. Fucking like... Wow. Yeah, it's like a pop culture thing for like decades. Was that myth sort of tied to like the end days of the empire? Yeah, right. Where it's like, exactly.

They're so decadent. They're doing all this stuff. Oh, they eat so much. Just to vomit it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sort of a myth about about the dangers of excess i think it was actually just like no we just had a cool name for an entrance thank god america learned that lesson yeah yeah but it's a way to i mean it's the same thing we do with climate change and stuff you have to make it

individual people's fault like you have to personalize the failure of the fall of Rome as opposed to it being just general like overreach and empire being a bad idea. It wasn't all the micro-militarism at the end of the Roman Empire. Let's just fight a bunch of wars that we think

are prestige wars that are just going to drain our resources and then the people... Anyway, whatever. That's not happening here. No, no, no, we're fine. We'll be fine. We'll be fine.

Everything's like you talking about. Uh, no, it was cause they were all fat. Dumb. It's like a Prager you video. Those are all fat. I would honestly not be surprised.

Yeah. I mean, I can't wait to whatever the fuck Prager you starts when they start entering this fray of trying to redefine what laws are or the constitution yeah surprised i haven't seen much out of them yet yeah they're gonna oh they've got they've got a bright future uh all right we're gonna take a quick break we'll be right back when you think of mexican culture you think of avocado, mariachi, delicious cuisine, and of course, lucha libre.

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Right. Have you considered that? Oh, good point. It ain't fake news. It could be, though. So the Wall Street Journal is doing their part by coming up with an a new angle on sort of how how this could not be the end of trump's presidency uh yeah i'm it's this is a little frightening because we've seen a lot of bullshit explanations, excuses for the president's corrupt behavior, immorality, all of that.

And this from the editorial board of The Wall Street Journal just feels actually pretty ironclad rhetorically, intellectually as a defense. So I'll just read this for you. Sorry, everyone. Time to throw your Mueller time mugs into the trash. Yeah. It says, intriguingly, Mr. Taylor says in his statement that many people in the administration oppose the Giuliani effort, including some in senior positions at the White House. This matters because it may turn out that while Mr. Trump wanted a quid pro quo policy ultimatum toward Ukraine, he was too inept to execute it. Impeachment for incompetence

would disqualify most of the government and most presidents at some point or another in office so so he we're at too dumb to do crime this is so slimy right but so dude attempted murder dude not murder it's wild it's literally a simpsons joke right like is it like quite literally yeah it's sideshow bob in prison he's like attempted murder what is that did they give the nobel prize for attempted chemistry and it's like well d bart d yeah yeah uh yeah this is because i mean this is where we're at you know like logically they've a lot of layers have been shed in terms of how to defend the actions of the president. And we're at, nah, dude, he's too dumb.

Like are we really going to just fucking impeach people because they're too dumb? Then like everyone's like – Should be impeached basically. I don't know. Am I drunk? Also, okay. Impeach everybody. Great.

If you're incompetent, you shouldn't fucking be there. You are correct, Wall Street Journal, that this would apply to most people in the government. It's just very telling, though, too, just like the culture we live in where it's almost like, yeah, everyone's incompetent, and it's America. Incompetent people can't do shit now? I wonder if we should hold the president to a higher standard than we do most people. Nah. Is that – no?

Okay. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. The Wall Street Journal, they got a point here. Okay. This is – the byline on this article is Wall Street Journal editorial board, which, I mean, again, we've talked about this before. But you might assume that they are the same as the people who do the reporting for The Wall Street Journal. They are not.

It's more like the difference between Fox News' opinion and Fox News' reportage, except like more extreme difference. There's something logically also wrong with the argument because they're saying he was too dumb to do the crime. Dumbness isn't crime. All presidents dumb. But he's still trying to do the crime. Yeah. But he's not. Attempted.

It's attempted. Right. So they're just ignoring the intent yeah it's very weird and this has been creeping up for a while this defense I've seen it from like figures like Ben Shapiro has gone on rants about this

and like because Trump is framed often by some people as too dumb to do anything right and other people as like doing the 9d chess um damn you added five dimensions yeah I know well he's very very good yeah and it's sort of like you use either one depending on the outcome you want it's like they're neither of them are yeah so watergate was not a successful robbery interesting right like bill clinton did not have like he got caught lying about getting hit that's the but he got caught lying he did attempt to get away with

right he attempted to get away with it and did not. And that is how the crime was caught. And that's how he got into trouble. It's just like, I've never even heard this defense of anything being, yeah, but he didn't get away with it. But that, because this is where we're at though.

Yeah. You know what I mean? They're scrambling. And you know, they also use this even with the Russia stuff too. They're like, he was too dumb to collude.

It was like, everyone was too bumbling to actually have colluded with Russia and to a certain extent I can understand that a little bit more yeah he accidentally did a lot of stuff they were trying to really find this like direct line or whatever now you have

it and it's like well but he tried it's like what the fuck yeah maybe he wanted that as they've articulated that he wanted a quid pro quo policy ultimately. Also, impeachment isn't a criminal process. Right. It's not crime.

It's a political process. Right. And I don't think- Ask Lindsey Graham in like 1998 and he would agree with that. If I had to guess, I would assume that Trump didn't know what he was doing was impeachable necessarily. He doesn't- He's not even operating in a world where laws apply right he doesn't think he's impeachable right is he this is we talk he's so rich and white he has been gaslit by his privilege he's fucking he thinks he got the star in mario kart right yeah that is that's beside the point the point is that we have somebody

who's like so thoroughly corrupt that every instinct, like the fact that he lies with every breath to the point that he doesn't know when he's lying and when he's not, doesn't make him a good president. Oh no, not at all. An okay president. And this doesn't make it okay for him to continue to run for the presidency in 2020 just because he tries to cheat without realizing it's cheating and fails at it because he's gonna keep trying to cheat like that's that's the only thing he knows yeah he's a liar and cheater yeah um and i think he also has this

weird this cute i mean obviously presidents get away with stuff and right i would say all of them are war criminals in some respect um but like i think he has this he's so obsessed with like various conspiracy theories and he's sort of the logical he's a logical conclusion of fox news basically right um and so he has slowly believed everything he's heard from them so in his mind uh barack obama 20,000 things that were illegal and wrong as opposed to like 10,000 or whatever it is. And so he in his mind, he's like, he got away with this. He got away with this. He got away with this.

I can do whatever I want. So he has a skewed view of what the presidency is as well. Right. And just because he is incompetent and people disagree with him doesn't mean that this is nothing. It's so weird that they're trying. What if you had a child who was obsessed with matches and gasoline and you always caught him with the kid was too dumb to actually get the match to work, but it fully soaked your home in gasoline. Yeah, that's cool. Well, thank God.

Yeah, he's too dumb to do that. He can't do it. It's fine. Just gonna leave him at home with more gasoline and matches. Well, he tried it, but he will try every time. Smells like gasoline now. Eventually, if you let this process play out, he will keep trying to do it until he can't. So to not even acknowledge that as being a threat or a possible issue, I think is so disingenuous. that as being a threat or a possible issue, I think is so disingenuous.

It's also like super, it's just normalizes everything even more in a really gross way where you're allowing this behavior and his, like the gasoline thing. Like now a lot of people around him are covered in gasoline. Now they're like,

oh, maybe I could do a match too. So like he's influencing people around him and the country in general in a way that's not healthy or good and they're just they're just forgiving it and allowing it and if if he gets away with it we're just essentially like a i mean what's the difference between that and authoritarianism where somebody can can just, like, strong-arm his way through cheating at elections? Like, that is where we are. Well, that's what he wants.

Look at all the people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, Viktor Orban and shit are in his ear, giving him all these weird conspiracies about Ukraine. It's just wild. Like, the way even these other motherfuckers are massaging his dumb fucking brain. Right. Like, he's getting it from all these other leaders. Like, man, you know, it's fucking crazy.

And I can't, I'm sure they can't believe it. They're like, dude, he like believes everything. Cause I said it. That's wild. Yeah.

Um, that article was really disturbing about how like Victor Orban and Putin were like giving him all these Ukraine ideas in meetings. I didn't read that article. What? Dude, just basically these are like this idea that Ukraine is this like corrupt hellscape. And like, you know, like just giving just completely obscuring his perception of what Ukraine is and how it works and what the actual situation is. Like he was getting it from multiple people because I'm sure the end game is the same.

Like you have someone like Orban who's, you know, booed up with Putin. And then you have Putin is like, look, if I can get those, if I can get Ukraine to like give up the fucking Crimea region then those sanctions are gone and then if I can get him to start believing that it was Ukraine who was meddling in 2016 then I get those sanctions gone like there's a lot of when you look at what the end games are for these other world leaders and how impressionable the president is you're like oh my it's a fucking that's the thing he's like he's a he's a conspiracy sponge yeah and super uh it's messed up and dangerous. Yeah. And people way smarter than him know that.

Right. So he's so easily manipulated. Yeah. Like even with the, his first like month in office, there were so many articles about how like, yeah, he, he believes the last thing he heard. Yeah. Right. If you leave the room and you're the last one.

Right. He'll believe what you said, not what the people before him. Yeah. You know who else was that? There's a dollop on ronald reagan right now a little carpenter by the name of ronald reagan they literally like word for word were like the last thing you tell ronald reagan is what he believes so like the people around him just like dictated policy through that but this ties into like i mean reagan was also the last person who was like descending into dementia uh when he was in the presidency and i don't know that trump

necessarily is well i saw a clip today on the news that they were showing him talking in 2016, January of 2016. And my goodness, I was like, look at him. What is he, 19? Right. Like his, he was so quick. His cadence was much faster. It was, it's really interesting to just, even when you compare those things. Yeah.

It's, whether it's that or just even the stress of having to, like knowing your back's against the wall, he's. Right. And the presidency in general, general like and every president's like oh yeah being the president amplifies who you are and were right yeah um and he's always been that and it just sort of accelerates it but when reagan's mind went he was surrounded by competent evil bureaucrats who like understood his shitty disastrous vision and were able to like steer the ship as though it still had a captain right and this dude doesn't have competent people around him they've all

jumped ship uh he does not like there's no coherent ideology to carry on it's just whatever his gut says, and that will be in charge of the presidency, like, assuming he continues to be president. It's pretty wild. I mean, it really, like, with the pace we're going, like, he could literally, he could say something so out there in front of people, like, in a serious way. He's like, and you know what? He's like, I do want to talk about Ukraine because what's that goose doing in here? Get it out of here. Get out, goose.

And people would be like, yeah, see, he was talking about Top Gun. Yeah, he was Billy Madison. Like that's where, I mean, curious to know what we do at that point if it gets there. You were talking about how like the clips from 2016, I keep seeing now people talking about and obviously they're all like craving sick of fans and stuff but like oh he's

like he's sharper than he's ever been right he like he's it looks like he's getting younger like you can see this on fox news and all these people like oh he's so he's he's it's so it's like he's aging in reverse i love it um and so it's just, it's so obvious and bizarre. Well, yeah. I mean, he did just literally just say that he was going to build the Mexico border wall in Colorado. Yeah.

Kiddingly. Colorado. Kiddingly. But what's the joke? Like the, the joke is that it wasn't one. Is that what he said? There's a tweet where he's like,

uh, obviously kiddingly, we're going to build a wall around Colorado. And then there's another tweet where he's like obviously kiddingly we're gonna build a wall around Colorado and then there's another parenthetical that's like a phrase that like a human being would never come up with and then he's like and here's what I really meant it's one of his funniest tweets because if you watch

the clip it's so obvious that he was not joking dead serious dead serious and he always does this where he's like i was the fake news is doing this and this and sometimes the media will overblow things he said yeah that are kind of jokes but again it's like is the joke really about a truth that he feels right um but this was so obviously a thing that he said and meant yeah and his tweet is manic and weird a lot of parentheses yeah um and the fact that it starts with the word kiddingly.

Half the tweet is a parenthetical. It's so funny. It starts off parenthetical kiddingly. So good. Then we're building a wall in Colorado. Here we go with another parenthetical. Then stated, we're not building a wall in Kansas, but they get the benefit of the wall. We're building on the border.

And parenthetical referred to people in the very packed auditorium from Colorado and Kansas getting the benefit of the wall we're building on the border. And parenthetical, referred to people in the very packed auditorium from Colorado and Kansas getting the benefit of the border wall. But then why didn't he say Kansas was going to build the wall in Kansas? Why did he differentiate those two? I like him like, you know what I was doing? I was underlining the terrible job Betsy DeVos is doing, the Department of Education, basic geography. Most people didn't know that.

I mean, our country is failing you look at me yeah i've talked about how drudge report seems to have turned a corner like uh around the time that the memo came out uh kind of giving the account of the conversation between trump and zelinski but like he had as his main headline and like top picture, we're building a wall in Colorado because, which I don't know, like I think people who are onto him are on, like there's people on the right who are like, yeah, this is, this is not good.

Well, that's why, you know, the, and the Daily Beast, they were bringing up this whole idea of, of Trump fatigue, like hitting the right at this point. And not even in the sense that they're tired of him because they don't like

agree with him anymore it's that the so much shit that they know is just a is making things harder is happening so frequently now and even faster like the call was one thing and they tried to fucking be like well you know we'll see maybe it's not this good pro quo then you had the fucking syria pull out the whole debacle with syria and they're like oh my god what the fuck is he doing then the g7 at doral should happen and then his own people i'd be like dude no fuck no like that was the except for marco rupio yeah right it was the pressure from the right that kind of that he was like oh i guess uh they're crying about this um but they're saying that uh according to one of these conservative these, quote, the sufferers of Trump fatigue aren't driven mad by the president. They're just tired of having to wake up every morning to another of his sudden attacks, reversals, exaggerations and boasts.

And even in the National Journal, they're saying if you look at a lot of the data, like polling and fundraising, quote, new polling and fundraising figures show that Mitchnell's hold on the senate majority is looking awfully precarious indeed the pathway for a narrow democratic takeover of the upper chamber is looking clearer than ever because you have like people are distancing self themselves from the president they're retiring because they don't even want to fucking deal with having to face an electorate that is like uh you do you fuck with this? And I, look, I can see where that's going. I don't, you still see though, that if we're talking about, I think a lot of the politicians are approaching that point

where the negatives of supporting the president are starting to finally outweigh the benefits of lining themselves with him. And I think this is where, like I think in this piece, just trying to see, well, then what happens at that point when you cross the Rubicon

into fully damage build? Right, where there's actually... Yeah, like there's no benefit at all now. But I do think they've, a lot of them, like enough have probably, it's no longer worth it to support him, but they're scared of his base, right?

Yeah, which is 30% of the time. And him, because as soon as you criticize him, you're getting tweeted about. Then RIP your mentions. Yeah, right, right? Yeah, which is 30% of the country. And him, because as soon as you criticize him, you're getting tweeted about. Then RIP your mentions. Yeah, right, right. He's like, I just don't want to get flamed in my mentions. It's the thing.

Otherwise, I would speak out against this ethnic cleansing at the border. What if you log off? Yeah. Would that help? What? Yeah. It's just like they love love him though you know where it's like it's i think it's exhausting for them to to defend a lot of his stuff but they ultimately they only care about

winning and maintaining power and i don't know how much they'll abandon that right and i guess the logical end is if you're so singularly focused on something it could it will eventually be to your own detriment because they've abandoned all these other principles to be like you know what let's try and like maintain white supremacy in this country as best as we can and ignore all this other like aggressive shit and we'll just oh that's right there's a whole other part of the country that we are completely alienating and whose votes we won't have. And I mean, they can keep cheating and trying to redraw like, you know, congressional maps and things like that. But it eventually you get to this point where like logically, legally, rhetorically, you're running out of shit to defend yourself. yourself and yeah i think yeah ultimately i think the thing that's going to turn actual like

republican figures and lawmakers is going to just be like yeah 70 of the country thinks he should be impeached right yeah yeah i guess as soon as they realize oh no the people the people aren't going to vote for us so we're not going to be able to maintain that power then they'll then they'll switch and then the next phase of of politics has to go on where we have to keep reminding people that these were Trumpers. Exactly. Because they're going to actively work at making me forget. They're going to pat themselves on the fucking back and like, yeah, enough's enough. Even what

Kirsten Nielsen recently was like, oh, I got to speak out. I couldn't. I had to quit. I couldn't just keep saying no. After all that other shit you did? All these people only speak out once they leave. Even like the Mattis is like doing jokes about it. It's like, what did you do when you were there?

Right. Yeah. Well, I think it's like probably one of those things they'll try and say something and they're like, ah, I guess it's not connecting. Or maybe a lot of people believe they're like, I think I can get through. And then they can't. But with Kirsten Nielsen and like the despicable shit, the policy she was overseeing, good luck.

Yeah, sorry. Trying to fucking. I mean, who knows? Maybe she'll be on Dancing with the policy she was overseeing. Good luck. Yeah, sorry. Trying to fucking. I mean, who knows? Maybe she'll be on Dancing with the Stars next season. Yeah. The McConnell thing is interesting, though, because also he's been doing those tweets about never Trumpers being like human scum and stuff. I feel like he knows that.

Like he's he's he's had conversation with McConnell. Like, you know, you're you're losing you're losing some people. Yeah. And so he's freaking out. Of course. Yeah. Because he's trying to he wants to, you know you're losing you're losing some people yeah and so he's freaking out of course yeah because he's

trying to he wants to you know make the again dehumanize them by saying they're scum

and then so then he's chumming the waters with his base to be like okay are you guys

hungry because I might start throwing names out right because they hate him too like his base

hates everybody yeah all Republicans basically who aren't you know Matt Gaetz or whatever. Oh, yeah. Such a cool guy. He said it felt like 300 when they were storming the skiff.

Yeah. Did you read that shit? Dude, he said it felt like the movie 300. It didn't just feel like 300. I mean, it looked exactly like it. Shut the fuck up. Those guys looked so cool. Also, like half of those motherfuckers could have been in those hearings anyway.

Cody is deceased. Also, like half of those motherfuckers could have been in those hearings anyway. Cody is deceased. Oh, man. Oh, that's so good. I love that guy. But that's so on brand. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

They're heroes. That's how they view themselves. Because you know what it was? He wants as much pats on the head from the president as possible. And I think when he's like, we got to get tough, he's like, well, I'm going to fucking show daddy what i can do i'm gonna get a treat from

it's gonna be like 300 dude fuck yeah call me leonidas meanwhile while we're on the subject of him turning into a tin pot dictator uh his attorneys in new york argued that he technically could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue uh they wouldn't be able to prosecute him until he was removed from office and the judge could not believe what the fuck was here said nothing could be done that's your position and trump's attorney said that is correct well but it's not permanent immunity yeah that's where it's trying to be reasonable it's not permanent obviously then like whatever but but this is the other thing about all these hearings right with this uh william consovoy that attorney um allotted in these hearings over his taxes in new york right he keeps saying this

thing about the president is immune okay and the beginning of the month he said the same shit where he's like you know obviously trying to get a president caught up in legal should be such a distraction but the vice president is not immune right they're like this is a trial about his fucking taxes what the fuck are y'all saying then yesterday with this shit uh and the same thing when he was doing the fifth avenue like clapping somebody on fifth avenue defense he brought up again he's like but you know however the vice president would not have this oh that's so tasty oh yeah so it's like one of those things where like i'm like i think rachel maddow the first time they talked about i was like what the fuck what was the point of that because we've seen from the beginning of the call when the call shit came out he was like well maybe you should ask you should ask pence about his calls too yeah i was like what are you

doing and and also knowing that he sent pence to go tell zelinski about the military aid shit like as the messenger i don't know if he's a uh trying to gear pence up as a blood offering to protect himself or possibly using him as a blood offering to also make nancy pelosi the number two so the senate republicans would never vote to impeach him because that would make nancy pelosi the president wow this is so tasty i don't know like where's the seven degree it's it's a lot of that stuff yeah it's the gut it's his gut reaction it's like how he he's he plays enough checkers to be like well if i put this piece there. And then knock all your pieces off. I'll knock my own piece.

Then I'll flip the board. Right. But it's really odd how there's a lot of this like Pence, like, well, the vice president, like, this isn't about. This hasn't. That's the thing. None of these legal proceedings have had anything to do with Mike Pence. No, it's perfect. It makes complete sense.

That's perfect. Just to be like Mike Pence. No, it's perfect. It makes complete sense. That's perfect. Just to be like, yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course he's setting the stage. It's like all these things too are kind of doing that. It's very weird because the he's too dumb argument

has been sort of percolating elsewhere and it rose up to like, oh, the Wall Street Journal is now making this ridiculous argument for it. And it rose up to like, oh, the Wall Street Journal is now making this ridiculous argument for it. And this argument that like, well, the president can do whatever he wants.

You can't hold him accountable at all. That's also been bubbling around. And now his lawyers are saying, no, he can't do, he can shoot somebody. It's fine. All this stuff. And even the,

like people dismissing like, oh, he's not gonna, he's not gonna do like do anything with the elections. he can shoot somebody it's fine all this stuff and even the like you know people dismissing like oh he's not gonna he's not gonna do like do anything with the elections and even though they're like

canceling primaries for him and all these things that people have said either jokingly or seriously are all like bubbling up to the top

because he'll just any reason anything that can keep keep the little rat safe just it's like you're getting close to the kitchen sink yeah i mean if we're throwing we've thrown a lot yeah yeah i forget who it was it might have been michael cohen but i think it was even before cohen flipped where somebody was talking about just how everybody who comes into his orbit and like does a deal with him

he fucks over like invariably he will always fuck you over and so many people have compromised their dignity their politics their careers to you know align with him and he he that's how he operates he's going to fuck you guys over yeah it's like it's an observable pattern uh it's it's his law it's like right how he lives right the trump and it's so obvious the trump love thermodynamics of fucking people over i'm waiting waiting for the flipping on his on his sons like who's be first? At least one of them. He doesn't care about his children at all. It's got to be Eric first.

Yeah, he's the least... He doesn't want his own junior. Are we counting Jared? Yes, I would say. Because Jared, I would say, is first. Because he hates Jared. He hates Jared. On a deep level.

He loves him because he knows that loving him makes Ivanka view him positively. Yes, it brings him closer to Ivanka. But he hates Jared. I think he cares little or nothing about Eric because he's kind of a non-entity. Right. Whereas Junior is like, you're my namesake.

And you're the dumbest one. But also, he like the most like he has the most political aspirations right right so kendall roy right he wants he wants that sort of legacy to continue and even though i think junior's really bad at it uh his base thinks he's very good at it right that means ivanka chavon right and then jared is tom. And of course, Tom, remember Logan Roy threw Tom out real quick. Anyway, succession, bringing it all back. That was my guess.

I'm curious about what it'll look like the coke-fueled bullet orgy at the end of Scarface when he shoots his sister, who he's always loved secretly. Well, right. I mean, he might just get away with everything. I could do it on the term and like, oh, if I can get away with anything,

as long as I'm still the president, I'll just be the president forever. But there is also a scenario where he does have to like turn us on. This person turns his family and like Ivanka will be the last one and he'll do it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So I guess if it is Scarface, when does he kill Manolo? You know what I mean? Because that was the end. When he killed his homeboy Scarface, when does he kill Manolo? You know what I mean? Because that was the end.

When he killed his homeboy Manolo when Scarface shot Manolo. Is that Giuliani? Giuliani would be Manolo? I guess. Yeah. Giuliani's the best. But I don't know. It's so hard because I don't even see him being loyal to fucking anybody.

So in a weird way, it's like even hard. He's not even by the Scarface narrative. We don't even know who he is or what this is. He'd flip on himself if he knew he could get away with it like he's like you know who's really bad that trump guy anyway i've been here i've been donald trump jr thank you so much what all of this metaphorically of course we don't want anyone to be killed and we also fully recognize that this is all going to end with us in gulags and trump dying in his doted in fema camps yeah once he once he uh refurnishes the oval office to right plated and gold yeah just because he'll die of a stroke in his late hundreds uh because everyone's too scared to go

in and check on him dude in his late 200s. He's going to shit himself to death on the toilet. Yeah. Like tweeting something about how kiddingly I said I shit myself all the time. I would never do diarrhea everywhere. I'm not diarrhea everywhere right now. I'm not diarrhea. That is such a kiddingly comment.

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of the chicken sandwich. I think specifically for the chicken fry, the filet believe of the chicken sandwich i think specifically for the chicken fry the filet that goes in the sandwich uh but yeah they ran out of fucking materials basically the fucking demand was too much and they had to retreat uh but they're saying uh pretty soon they will be returning to 150 locations but i think think that's only 4% of all Popeye's locations. I was going to say, like, how many are there? Yeah, it's for a very specific company that's a franchisee. So, look, some of y'all who are living in, they mostly own franchises in Texas, Oklahoma City, Central and Coastal Florida. The rest of us will have to wait for our guilt-free chicken sandwich.

I mean, I stand by my immediate impression after taking the last bite of that chicken sandwich is it's too good to be sustainable. I don't know whether they were planning on just like making a handful of them or raising the price. It turns out they were only planning on making a handful. So you think this is the movie pass of chicken sandwiches? Yeah. You're like, I don't know how they're doing it. Right. And I don't want to know how it ends.

Yeah. You're like, I don't know how they're doing it. Right. And I don't want to know how it ends. Yeah. It's going to be bad with Popeye being real down and out on the street, busking, doing feats of strength. Right. For you to come into his restaurants. Was Popeye the character ever involved with the branding for Popeye's chicken? Must've been, right?

Yeah. Was he? At some point. I thought so. I feel like, I don't know. I feel like they're unrelated. I don't know why.

Like I keep thinking the, what? Anyway. Cause like, that's't know. I feel like they're unrelated. I don't know why I keep thinking the, what, anyway. Because that's, Popeye doesn't eat chicken. Alvin C. Copeland named the store after fictional detective Jimmy Popeye Doyle from the French Connection and not the comic strip Popeye the Sailor. Great, Popeye the Sailor Man, sorry about that. Did trademark rules not exist back then? I don't know. Yeah, right? It's like, what's your story? Oh, called Nike's Chicken.

Based off the shoe cover. Aaron Jordan Chicken based off of this Kid Jordan I know. Based off the novel Push by Sapphire. Serpico Burger. Get the Paco sandwich. Ah, great. Great, great rule from al Pacino um but they also say along with that because the demand was so wild they're hiring almost 400 new employees because remember

they're like horror stories people yeah I worked 18 hours a day making these dumb so many sandwiches so many just for people like somebody pulled a gun on people a lot of people uh shitting on people too we're like you see like these photos of people like exhausted somebody pulled a gun on people. A lot of people shitting on people too. Where like, you see like these photos of people like exhausted outside, just like taking a break. Look, get back to work. Oh my God. It's like, are you for real?

Let's talk about Mark Zuckerberg. How do you like your, how do you like your zuck served? Grilled? Pulled. Flamed? Roasted? Fried? Because.

Caesar. I like it over a roasted, fried. Caesar. I like it over a Caesar. Over a Caesar. I like a fried zuck over a Caesar salad. Oh, my goodness. He got battered on the hill, rightly so. They did their homework. They figured out how Facebook works.

It was so fucking. It was really nice to see him just get serviced. No, served. I don't want to say serviced. That means something else. But I think... Getting pulled. His, again, I still can't get over his Caesar lineup.

It was just really... There was something about it. I wish he had an earring in. It feels like he gets a haircut every two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Because he likes to keep it tight. Yeah, it always...

Wait, are you saying that he really is doing a Caesar haircut, you think, because he really loves Julius Caesar? I think it's probable because I know he's talked about being really into Caesar specifically. That's a thing that he not only really cares about personally, but it's a thing he cares about personally and thinks is a good look for some reason. look for some reason because he loves to tell people about like how he loves like the like empire and you know they're how they thought about you know efficiency i don't know yeah i mean if you don't know the details this bust of augustus caesar almost would suggest i mean possibly it's a little bit and it's kind of along those lines because he does that um he does the what the is it t-shirt or a hoodie that he does? The gray t-shirt thing? Yeah.

Because he only has one outfit. Zippered hoodie. And it's on purpose for that sort of efficiency. Oh, like Elizabeth Holmes? Or just like, oh, you don't have to think about what you wear because it's always the same thing every day. And it actually frees up my mind to lie to Congress or whatever. Exactly. Well, look, he got, man, just every angle, every dimension of his business was just put under the microscope. Maybe let's start with working conditions.

At Facebook, we talked about this in the past with the people that have to comb through all the violent content on the platform and go through it. Katie Porter, she was like, let's talk about that. According to one report I have, these workers get nine minutes of supervised wellness time per day. That means nine minutes to cry in the stairwell while somebody watches them. Would you be willing to commit to spending one hour a day for the next year

watching these videos and acting as a content monitor and only accessing accessing the same benefits available to your workers congresswoman we we work hard to make sure that we give good benefits to all the folks who are doing this mr zuckerberg reclaiming my time i would appreciate a yes or no would you be willing to act as a content monitor to have that life experience i'm not sure that it would best serve our community for me to spend that much reclaiming my time reclaim that shit mr zuckerberg are you saying you're not qualified to be a content monitor because before she starts off saying you got people going through hours and hours of fucked up shit.

Yeah. Getting PTSD. For less than $30,000 a fucking year. Yeah. With no mental health benefits. Yeah. I was like, he's like, oh, actually, in some areas, we do $20 an hour. It's like, you're missing the whole point.

You don't get it. You don't get it, my man. Never mind. Robo fuck. It was so satisfying to see that, too, because people talk about that, and that's a huge issue for a lot of CEOs in general, just like worker conditions.

Yeah. And to see him flounder and frame it like, well, actually, I'm above subjecting myself to this horrendous shit. I don't know if that would be the best use of my time for our community. Something I've also noticed that I just think is funny, the way he answers questions,

all of, I think, Congresswoman, it's Congresswoman. He always says it starts with Congresswoman, no matter what, and it's very weird. It's just an odd, just answer the question, but he's very formal, he's like, Congresswoman, here's the thing. He referred, I think, to a few Congresswomen as congressmen, too. He did, yes.

Just sort of as a, like, habitually his reflexive response was, congressman or woman. And then Rashida Tlaib was like, hi, I would like to talk about hate speech on your platform. What, you know, you got all kinds of wild shit on your platform, but what's your definition of hate speech? Wow, he wasn't ready for this shit either. So, Mr. Zuckerberg, yes or no, is it still your policy to ban hate groups? My understanding is yes. Okay. Face Group's community standard right now, as it reads, it says, quote, we are committed to making Facebook a safe place.

Yes. Very good. committed to making Facebook a safe place. Very good. Expression that threatens people has the potential to intimidate or exclude or silence others isn't going to be allowed on Facebook. I want to refer to a photo up on the monitor right now showing a man holding a rifle outside of a mosque intimidating fellow Americans. Mr. Zuckerberg, yes or no, does this meet your community standards?

Yes or no. Mr. Zuckerberg, yes or no, does this meet your community standards? Yes or no. Congresswoman, I'm not sure I'm in a position right now to evaluate any given post against... When will you be in a position to do it? Shut the fuck up. If you can't do it now. This fucking idiot. Oh, you can't look at a photo of a guy standing in front of a mosque with a gun.

He's like, Congresswoman, I'm not even sure what the term gun is or mosque or photo. I'm not sure why I'm here to know, like to give my response. He's so like media trained where he can't even do the fucking easy bit to be like, oh, yeah, that's if he just went. That is actually a failure on my part to even have something like that up absolutely this is the exact kind of shit we're trying to take down but again or even just like i would hope so right i can't answer i don't know for sure because that's not my what you know but like it looks pretty bad like presuming this isn't photoshop yeah right um i would say this is bad yeah um then oh god so then aoc was talking about all the fucking fake ass shit political ads that

can be on their platform and they got into the conversation about you know fact checking who you got fact checking over here uh is it the daily caller can you explain why you've named the daily caller a publication a publication well documented with ties to white supremacists as an official fact checker for Facebook? Congresswoman, sure. We actually don't appoint the independent fact checkers. They go through an independent organization called the Independent Fact Checking Network that has a rigorous standard for who they allow to serve as a fact checker.

a rigorous standard for who they allow to serve as a fact checker. So you would say that white supremacist tied publications meet a rigorous standard for fact checking? He looks off. Congresswoman, I would say that we're not the one assessing that standard. The International Fact Checking Network is the one who is setting that standard. Just answer that question. Past the Buckerberg. Yeah. Am I right? Fucking drop it.

Episode over. Yeah. I mean, again, he fucking looked for help from the other people on that committee. Like, what do I do it's funny because also like his aoc the night before was like hey what would you ask mark zuckerberg right twitter she's like dm me or like reply here right and you'd think like someone in zuckerberg's orbit would be aware of that and like comb through and be like what's she gonna ask him and you'd have some sort of preparation right but no well i But nah. Well, I mean, this was a news story

that we talked about earlier. Like it was in the zeitgeist. Everybody was talking about the fact that the Daily Caller was, he was having conversations with Tucker Carlson and the Daily Caller was one of the fact-checking resources that Facebook was using. And then the other ones were like centrist places

so they just had a right word bias but yeah I feel like he's probably not getting a whole lot of honest unmediated input well yeah when you got Sheryl Sandberg helping you out this is when Joyce Beattie comes in

from Ohio to fucking fully just finish him. Because she's asking, like, what on the topic of diversity, you know, with Facebook. Let me talk because, you know, from the redlining shit that was happening through like passively through Facebook to like keep African-Americans from seeing certain advertisements or information, whatever. She goes through all of that. And then this is really when he starts collapsing. Now, have you read the report that Laura Murphy sent to you? You've talked a lot about diversity, and you introduced her name about this great study in her work.

Have you read it? Do you know what the recommendations were? Do you know when she issued the report, yes or no? I've seen the report. Okay, tell me what the top three things were, because I have it right here. What were the top three things in her report? Somebody talked about lying in this committee. I'm only saying it. Well, one of them was around housing ads, which we've talked about.

The other was around setting up a civil rights task force. And who's on the civil rights task force? Cheryl Sandberg is the person who's what civil right okay it's not really civil right so I'm trying to help you here she's your CEO and I don't think there's anything and I know sure well about civil rights in her background so come better than that for me if we're gonna talk civil rights it's an internal task force. Do you know who the firm that you employ for civil rights is? Congressman, I don't know.

How could you not know when you have employed the most historical, the largest civil rights firm to deal with issues that are major? And this is what's so frustrating to me. It's almost like you think this is a joke when you have ruined the lives of many people, discriminated against them. Do you know what percentage of African Americans are on Facebook in comparison to majority folks? Do you know what the percentages are?

People using the Facebook? Yes. Do you know what the percentages are? People using the Facebook? Yes. Do you know what the percentages are for African Americans? I don't because we don't collect the races. Well, it came out in a report and in the Pew Research Center that was sent to you. So maybe you just don't read a lot of things that deal with civil rights or African Americans. I have a lot of questions I'm going to send to you that i'm not going to be able to get through and i would like an answer because this is appalling and disgusting

to me and i yield back wow i mean that whole her whole five minutes if you watch the her whole five minutes because it's from the beginning he's getting pressed and he just doesn't know it just shows you again like this is not this this is this person has outsized power and influence and is not equipped to deal with something like this and also a company with this kind of power just shouldn't exist especially when you have a singular dude like this who's like congresswoman um we don't collect races right i mean we do but that's data we sell to other people. Right. It's not really for you to know.

Right. That's how we were able to do, like, sort of redlining things. Facebook doesn't really see color. We only see green. Right. Yeah, what if, like, the guy who made a website that was, like, it's like a directory, but you put it online. Yeah.

What if he shouldn't have that amount of like power and wealth over? Like, should people have democracy? A large nation? Yeah. I trust him to run a website

where you can rate the attractiveness of college students. I don't know if I would trust him to do that, but I trust him more. I mean, like in terms of like

the ability, like that, whatever, it's toxic on its own. And you don't, for sure, with the amount of savvy he's shown, this shit is just too much. Every one of these hearings, you're just like,

why, how do we allow this? Like, you're one guy, and you don't really know what's going on or the problems that we're talking about. Right. Yet, here you are. Yeah. I mean, Congresswoman, do you like

my Caesar? I wore a do-rag last night to try and get some waves. Well, shit. Cody, it's been a pleasure having you. It's been a pleasure being here. Where can people find you, view you, listen to you? Yeah, all over the place.

All over the place on the internet. Oh, hell yeah. I love that place. We do a show called Some More News on YouTube. We have a patreon.com slash some more news if you'd like to help with that. And yeah, Google Some More News. We've got Twitters and things like that and then worst year pod on all the socials as our new podcast as well in addition to even more news uh which you'll find

if you also google um and i've got like personal twitters dr mr cody at the twitters but i i still want to change it you still want every every time i? Every time I see it, I'm like, God, just change it. Why? I love it. It's so old. I don't know. Yeah. You also have to be like, it's Dr. Richard Cody.

Also, like, D-R. Right. And then you spell it out. Who has the time? Great follow, if you can find him. But you probably won't be able to. Yeah, sorry. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying?

Yeah. Yeah. you can find him but you probably won't be able to yeah sorry uh and is there a tweet you've been enjoying um yeah yeah um this is less of a joke and more just a i think this is a great tweet and it's a reply to a tweet um it's from representative ilhan omar um who i'll just say i appreciate i'm a fan of um so i'll read the first tweet, and it goes like this. Shares an article from the New York Times. A nine-month-old died as a direct result of Trump's cuts to Medicare and CHIP. He is one of a million children to lose health care. Let that sink in. Bad situation. We all agree.

Health care is a problem. Trump's making it worse. Her reply, about two hours later. Asterisk, almost died. What? The kid almost died. But the tweet is, 9-month-old died as a direct result.

And like, I get it, you forget a word. That's a big one. It's a big one. That's a big word. And just like, it's just so funny to look at the reply, almost died. Oh my God. Because it's just one tweet. It's not not even like delete it and then repost it or like anything like that it's like correction almost almost died um not that like it makes the story

any less you know like i mean a little less but like it's a horrific situation um it just really really really tickled me etiquette Twitter etiquette, I guess. Miles, where can people find you? Find me, follow me on Twitter, Instagram. Yeah, Miles of Gray, at Miles of Gray. Is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yeah, Dave Itzkoff said, Thought Zuck did well today,

and it's a photo from Greg in succession when he's testifying in front of Congress, and it's just the fucking, because he's a congress from Greg in succession when he's testifying in front of Congress. And it's just the, because he's a congressman, congressman. So if you don't watch succession, there's a moment where the, what is it? Way star Roy Coe has to go up to Capitol Hill to explain themselves. And Greg goes up, he's so awkward up there.

And just the sub, the caption of like the text of what he's saying is, if it is to be said so it be so it is you watch it it's one of the most awkward shits anyway a little bit inside and then another one from uh at diva lacy lacy mosley uh says slavery mansion tour in savannah georgia tour guide the slaves would sleep on the floor so they could be prodded awake whenever needed. Me. This is awful.

White people on the tour. This, is this real marble? Oh my God. Jesus Christ. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. A couple tweets I liked. Donovan Crip Daddy at at RealYoungCrip, tweeted, Joe Rogan smokes weed.

So, like, is the government actually corrupt? Edward Snowden, yes. Got powerlifting and planet fitness. Damn, bro, that's fucked. Powerlifting and planet fitness. Fuck, man. Damn bro that's fucked Fuck man You check out this latest Rogan Are you fucking kidding me This dude's like fucking doing curls Getting furious while they're working out

Yo did you listen to the latest Rogan And then SpookyNotBrendan CrocodileThumbs tweeted Keep your hands up and don't make any sudden movements Drum solo of In The Air Tonight starts on the car radio Me Oh fuck You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist

We're at TheDailyZeitgeist on Instagram We have a Facebook fan page and a website DailyZeitgeist.com Where we post our episodes and our footnotes Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on miles what's that gonna be uh this is a track from jell j-e-l now he's a producer from the anticom label groups like subtle dose one odd nose down i don't know if y'all fuck with those fuck with them but uh the reason i bring

this artist up is because uh there's been a lot of kanye west talk and i just think of when he performed runaway at the vmas and he played it on an mpc and people thought he was like drumming like doing the shit live on there he was not people like gel like have the skills to play drums on the mpc and this track is one of those examples uh if you go on YouTube and search his name, J-E-L, you will see some brilliant finger drumming from this man. This is Jell, sweet cream in it. Alright.

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