The Daily Zeitgeist - 3rd Degree Racism, Big Ally Energy 6.26.20

Episode Date: June 26, 2020

In episode 660, Jack and Miles are joined by Inside Voices and Good Christian Fun podcast co-host Kevin T. Porter to discuss Wilmington police being fired over racist comments, third degree racism, racist hiring practices, a cop lying about a tampon in his coffee, Jenny Slate and Kirsten hell leaving roles where the voiced black characters, the Netflix top ten, and more!FOOTNOTES: Fired Wilmington cop: “We are just going to go out and start slaughtering them f—— ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.” [Free read] Black woman attacked by men wielding lighter fluid, racial slurs The Difference Between First-Degree Racism and Third-Degree Racism Sports Media Giant Bill Simmons Finds Himself Playing Defense An off-duty cop says a tampon was put in his Target Starbucks Frappuccino. Target denies it. Jenny Slate and Kristen Bell Leave Voice Roles as Black Characters An Unexpected Movie Finally Dethroned ‘365 Days’ From The #1 Spot On Netflix WATCH: Nice Guys: Dumbo Gets Mad - Makes You Fly (Lyric Video) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I need some relief I can't believe Care is all that wild Oh, I need drugs. I need some relief. I can't believe Karen's all that wild. Okay, so there was a lot of controversy with this, a.k.a. Crispy Meme Donut, a.k.a. Christy Yamaguchi, who submits many a.k.a.'s, put this and said to the tune of, I'm a believer by Smash Mouth. Now, many people hopped in the replies and called out this monkeys erasure. And I understand.

I totally get that. A shout out to everybody who came to the defense of the monkeys. But yes, I had to honor the smash mouth version. There we go. Moush. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious and talented Kevin T. Porter. Hello. I'm here.

We're doing it. It's all good, and the world is getting better and better every day, isn't it? Every day. I think. It depends on how you look at it. You can always find good. You can always find good. And you can always find bad.

You can, you know, there's always little, you know, as John Krasinski has taught us recently, there's always some good news. Yeah. Like we always need a little smile, and we can find that every day if we look hard enough. Do we know the origin story of it yet? Like aside from the press release boilerplate version of like,

you know, he just felt like it was the world really could use some good news right now that's why we're calling it that but like do you i feel like it was the most cynical thing where it's like okay you know what would fucking kill right now is if we do some janky from my kitchen show where it looks like a dad telling you about the good of the world they're gonna eat that shit up and then we'll fucking sell off the ip baby you know how krasinski do no i believe if someone were to write an oral history of sgn it would be uh 30 words long and it would be john krasinski's agent saying i thought it'd be a good play and we could probably sell the ip and that would be the that would be the oral history also with john unfortunately and i hate to you know listen

has has called out and canceled culture gone too far it's a question we ask ourselves every day every but with john he is not he's he's not that that's the the whole image of that stuff i have friends that work post on a quiet place he yelled at editors he threw stuff he's mean he's not he's not a dad that wants to throw a prom for teenagers he's just like he's just the run-of-the-mill hollywood jerk yes you're unfortunately we may be looking at an ellen situation folks oh where things are not as they appear oh that was my favorite i remember like fucking 15 years ago no maybe no 12 years ago to be fair was the first time i had heard someone who had survived that show and was like no man you gotta no no and like

i remember my someone i went to high school with dated the former DJ, like one of the guys who was one of the DJs and the pre-twitch. Yes. That dude was like, Oh my God, dude. He's like, nah, yes. It's just not, it's, it's not a chill place. It is. You had a very popular, uh, Twitter, uh, thread where you were just like, Hey, I'm bored. Why don't people share with me some Ellen horror stories? That was like two or three weeks into quarantine, and that felt like, well, this could be my King Lear. Dethroning and defunding Ellen, the Ellen show. Yeah, well done.

Yeah, I was happy with the validation of that. What was the wildest story that you got in reply to that call? Well, they turned into, like, it got pretty jokey, like the bigger guy, and people were like, she threw water on my paper, like stuff that obviously didn't happen. But the nail polish thing in which the waitress to whom that actually did happen logged on and was

replying and she's she's a comedian herself where ellen went out to a restaurant and then because this waitress's nail polish was chipped she called the restaurant the next day to try to get the uh the employee fired from the job that was probably one of the most egregious ones i would say yeah and then there were like plenty more in dms of like people saying, my wife used to work on the show and here's what she said. It's like, well, I can't do anything with it. Like I'm happy to hear your confession, but it's not going to, I don't know how productive it'll be. We're transmitting from the air ducts in the studio.

Yeah, exactly. We were actually talking on yesterday's episode about Tina Fey. And I noticed that you were kind of responding to her attempting to get 30 Rock out of jail, saying that you thought this had more to do with her reputation management than it did any sort of sensitivity. Yeah. I mean, especially, and this is like, unfortunately, like a weird trend now of late night comedy people apologizing for their use of blackface from the last 20 or so years, or sometimes like the last 10.

And then which begets a wave of white people realizing that maybe it's kind of weird if they voice black people in animated shows. maybe it's kind of weird if they voice black people in animated shows but i think i i think in all those cases it's like okay there's definitely like corporate interest in play and maybe there is like legitimate change the heart whatever you don't you never know what a person's going through with tina fey specifically her his his her history on late race as it stands currently would um i think beg to differ as far as like her current statements go like there is definitely a a cognitive dissonance with that and even like a a episode of kimmy schmidt from a couple years ago right which was meant to lambast anyone who would ever criticize someone making art for being racially insensitive in which uh asian american protesters vanish into smoke by

being offended too much that doesn't strike me as the same woman that would say you know i really care about kids not seeing blackface and it would just really hurt my heart if uh if they were offended by that there's one that says i'm not in the apology business i'm opting out of that so my thing with her is like that's fine continue opting out of it like i don't need you to be my my progressive savior i don't want seinfeld to go back into seinfeld and cgi black girlfriends where there were none just be like old and problematic but don't pretend like that you weren't doing that yes you just be like yeah that look honestly i'm off that shit and that sucks but that's that's the record of my evolution, I guess, is there.

I don't... Seinfeld is my favorite example because he confused his getting so rich that he wasn't funny anymore and couldn't relate to human beings anymore with being rejected by progressive culture, and it was just extra extra embarrassing yeah there's just a certain tax bracket after which your brain just stops evolving it would appear and like and i'm

sure there are people where it's like they make valiant efforts to to do something different uh but if it feels like there is like an intersection of like this age and this much money and it's just like farewell like we'll we'll try again with the next generation right like up the up i lost grip of the balloon yep there it goes it's floating away all right never mind but with the streaming stuff the streaming stuff bugs me though because it's like all right well now no one will ever need to hold tina fey to account for all that stuff right Because it'll just like, 10 years from now, when someone is actually watching 30 Rock for the first time, they'll just like never know about it.

And she gets a Get Out of Jail Free card for that. And I'll look like a creep, like I'm at a coffee shop, like a Tina Fey truth. I'm like, just so you know, I got the DVDs at 30 Rock. Yeah, if you download the torrents, you can see.

President Fey ain't all what she cracked up to be. Truly, just like stand by it. It's more painful. That goes for you too, Zagbraff. Stand by your blackface on scrubs because they just pulled those as well. Oh, did they? They did.

I didn't even know he did. Okay. I didn't even know he did blackface on scrubs. I've never seen scrubs really, but okay. There we go. It's just, yeah. it's weird because it's like different time it's like yeah that was like 2007 though well it was that like you know that like Michael Scott era of humor where it was basically it was just sort of like we can point out racism and that's the level of sort of wokeness that we'll engage in we're like we're

not going to be like that's funny because it's racist we're like that's funny because it's racist that's gross actually and that's really awkward that that person would do something so racist but then that's where it'll end like the sort of examination of that behavior and then it gets away because i was like we know it's bad fully becauseully, because the white liberals, there was just like a moment of time and culture that hopefully will pass where like their predominance in media, as long as they said, no, trust me, like I'm not racist. And like, I totally get it. stand up and things like that where it's like this isn't quite hopefully we're getting to the point where i don't think you can ironically emulate a thing without somewhat sincerely emulating the thing at all and i'm sure you guys have talked about the the megan amram tweets at this point as well uh we touched on them i think last week but yeah i mean i think that's it was funny because i remember seeing her tweets from like a good place where she would put down all of her ideas

for businesses like from a good place. And like whenever it was Asian restaurants, like the paragraph, it was like this thick of ideas. Italian restaurants were this like she had a good mind for Asian puns. It seemed at all times. Yeah. Very unfortunate. Yeah. So we'll see what happens because I think, yeah, there's a lot of comedians out there, too, who know her well. And they're like, I don't believe her to be a nasty person.

But I'm also going to say, I'll believe it when I see it, when I see the actual work being done, rather than like, you know my heart. You know my heart. Right. You know where I'm coming from. Right. But I think those people that would be more skeptical and try more holistically to hold a person like that to account will not be in a hiring firing position over a person like that yeah for sure you know what i mean like it's not like mike sure is gonna be like hmm this person i've worked with for 12 years i don't think so like he'll hire her for

the next show it like kind of it materially doesn't really have a consequence probably yeah whereas uh kat cohen that has a consequence for sure unfortunate or fortunately depending we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about uh we're gonna talk about overt racism in uh the police who were fired uh and just the the transcript of what they said on camera. We're also going to talk about the Linwood Vikings, which is something that was covered on Behind the Police. Robert Evans' and propaganda's look back at the history of policing, recent history of policing,

there being a white supremacist gang operating out of the L.A. Sheriff's Office. a white supremacist gang operating out of uh the la sheriff's office also you know we'll we'll check in with that uh cop who uh had a tampon put in his frappuccino uh to to see where that investigation that uh we'll talk about something justice for the police officer i'm sure right finally we'll talk about kristen bell and jenny slateate subbing themselves out of voicing persons of color on animated shows. And we'll check in with the Netflix top 10 and probably do a watch on one of the pieces of content that's trending right now.

All of that, plenty more. But first, Kevin, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are well one of the last things from my search history truly was scrub's black face because i was like i think i saw every episode of that show i have no memory of this and uh was he like doing a bit with like donald faze on or something yeah they were like switching places so like faze on had white face on i think uh what about white face yeah exactly not about white face i can't wait till we tackle that moment what about well i mean right now if you saw like on twitter

james rill jones was trending because people were like um this black this black guy was Anakin Skywalker, who is a whole white. So what's wise? Jenny slate. It, it, that's like the discourse I'm seeing on Twitter from nerds. But again, a lot of people were like,

I'm sure star Wars fans would love like the one speck of darkness of blackness in that entire franchise, I from Lando or something to be with that. We're like, yeah, it shouldn't have been James Earl Jones. Otherwise, it would have been a fully, fully, fully white. Yeah, that's a very bad faith argument.

Although, canonically, I believe that Jabba the Hutt is Hispanic. Okay. All right. Jabba Chamberlain. I think the other thing about james will jones too is that he like didn't want to even be credited as in the beginning i feel like that was like one of those things where he felt it was sort of like dude i'm just voicing this other

thing i just i'm not in this movie don't worry about me didn't he make some wild financial deal with the back end or something he must have i I mean, I think all the great people who are just like are gone because they're so rich had the devil's deal of royalty points like Keanu Reeves with the Matrix. Everybody who was involved in the original Star Wars was intensely embarrassed about it before it came out and became a monster hit. Right. I think they were still embarrassed, but they were like, oh oh i guess so this is where we're at but right is it you think it's one of those things are like they're mad at the people who like it because like yo this shit sucks bro what's wrong with y'all you think

this is good fuck all right i guess i'll al guinness yeah cut me another trillion dollar check what the fuck is this harrison ford i did not like the movie at all. I could see all of them being that way maybe except for Hamill. Always thought it was great because he was the star of it. He might be the one that's like... Just like wide-eyed? Yeah, out of lockstep of like, no, I think it's pretty good actually. It's like fun.

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You know what I mean? Burn cows and say hi to pals, which is what social distance walks are. How long? What's like the duration of a typical kevin t porter walk a walk well for so the way my life is uh kind of structured right now uh it is limited in the sense of i'll run in the morning oh and then i i will come back and then shower up do some work and then i'll take a little walk breaks throughout the day where then i'll maybe go out for like 20 minutes at a time come back 20 minutes at a time come back or maybe like an hour at a time and come back so like yeah anywhere between like 10 10 to 45 minutes i think is a is a great zone for me i like it's like it's

almost like rather than cigarette breaks you're like like, and I'll do a walk break. Yeah, the opposite of what that does to your body. Sounds very healthy. Wait, you are smoking on these walks, right? Yeah. Fully, yeah. Otherwise, I don't understand. I got one of those masks with the hole in it

so you can keep smoking as you walk. He's got one of those harmonica neck braces, but it's just filled with 15 cigarettes. Oh, my God. I actually do have a harmonica neck brace, and now I really 15 cigarettes oh my god i actually do have a harmonica neck brace and now i really want to do that and take pictures of it that's a great idea hey that's like album cover for your next album yeah what is uh what's something you think is overrated overrated okay now i i i don't have a good argumentative foundation for this,

but right now I'm going to say The Sopranos. And I don't even know if I agree with this, what I'm saying right now. Oh, no. Let's examine that. No, this is who I am. But I'm starting to watch it for the first time because of the excess of free time that we all have now.

And it feels like the golden age, like these are the greatest shows of all time from like, from the golden age of television, like the turn of the 90s into the 2000s. It was The Wire, The Sopranos, Mad Men, and Breaking Bad. Like that was kind of the cultural critical consensus. I watched Breaking Bad in real time, loved it. Never watched The Wire. Watched a couple of seasons of Mad Men and bailed on it, but I want to start that up again. And then The Sopranos, I remember watching the pilot

when I was like 13 years old, and then I just never picked it up again. So now I'm back in it, and I like it, and I think it's really enjoyable, but I don't know if it's like, this is clearly the great American novel of our time. And it is like strange. The Wire is the great American novel.

Yeah, that's what people say too. And people say that about Mad Men. There's a bunch of novels on TV. See, and The Sopranos kind of walks that weird line too where you have deeply fucked up characters who are racist, homophobic, et cetera, but they're doing the thing where it's like, yeah, but we know these characters are bad.

But for a certain group of people at the time, it of nor it would be like yeah you can talk like it's like fucking sopranos talk when you you know fucking use like slurs and shit like that but the elegance of the show i think is that despite that they find these ways to use humor and like these weird quirks about these characters to suddenly get you to like give a shit about someone who's like a violent murderer or hit man or whatever. And it's, that's like the, those are the moments that I find most enjoyable where I'm like, suddenly I'm laughing at someone

I would normally think is just an absolute villain. But the writing I think is what makes it super fun too to watch. Yeah, and it's funny too in this current moment to watch it and like alternating essentially a watching habit of like, okay, I'm gonna watch 13th and just finish Selma. All right, here's two episodes of The Sopranos

and then back to like do the right thing. And it is, and even too, just like on a gender thing, like all four of those show, or I don't know The Wire if it is as much, but all those are about difficult white men who are like actually bad and kind of anti-hero in nature. And so kind of, it's interesting to go back to that time when that felt like novelty and like real original.

And to try to get back into that mindset of like, oh yeah, like in trying to get back into that mindset of like, oh yeah, like in trying to get back into that cultural mindset of it was never seen before in quite that same way. But now it kind of just feels like an exercise, but that's only because it was so influential that it did just like set the course of TV. Yeah.

I mean, without the Sopranos, would we even have Ozark? And wouldn't that be a sad thing? Is that good? No, I mean, it's fine. It's fine. I feel like, I don't know yet. I feel like everybody was talking about it,

but I guess that was because of quarantine. Like every show that's coming out now is like, yes, get it out now. Yeah, no, I think that's the case. Now, Ozark plays like a dumb guy is trying to write Breaking Bad. Right. Yeah, that's the case. Now, Ozark plays like a dumb guy is trying to write Breaking Bad. Oh, right. Yeah, that's the vibe that I got.

But very incredibly watchable. Incredibly watchable. Great snack food TV. It's amazing to look at the history of mobsters and how influential shows like Godfather and Sopranos are. Godfather, in particular, invented a lot of the ideas of the American

Mafia, like having those higher level family values. That was something that didn't exist at all in the American Mafia before the Godfather, and then everyone was like, oh, this is much cooler than what we do, which is go around

breaking parking meters to get the change out of it, you know, turning on each other. Yeah, a little more barbaric. Yeah. And then and then Sopranos, I feel like talked about that was like, yeah, like they're just I think there's aren't there scenes miles and Sopranos where they talk about the Godfather and how great it is? Yeah. Yeah, and also it's funny, too, because they'll harken back to the old guys. They would never do something like that.

Right. They sort of reminisce, but then you're also thinking, are they talking about a period that predates even the Godfather coming out? And they're still using their Godfather informed perception of these like it's weird when like with what you're saying to even look at those scenes when they're like going back into the 50s and 60s um and like what the jersey mob look like then yeah inventing traditions that don't exist also as a as a bruce springsteen fan very fun to watch stephen van zandt and his little toupee doing Silvio. That wig is doing work. What a great actor for that show, though. And his wife, too. It's just like the Van Zandts as the Dante family.

And I'm like, I love this. I love it. Very strange. Although part of me wonders if my full lack of love for the show comes from, I feel like I might be a dum-dum with some mafia stuff. I don't know if I've ever really connected with an organized crime or mafia movie. Even watching The Irishman, when they were like an hour or two of like, okay, the labor union wants this.

I'm like, what do they control? Are they socialists? Yeah, it feels Byzantine and political to me. Did you watch Lillehammer? That show Steve Van Z zant was on after the sopranos a gangster in norway yeah no i did not watch it although bruce springsteen does have a cameo in season oh he does the billboard alone i was like i can't do it like you guys this is too much don't don't drag me into this territory now like let little stevie from the east street band

just be little stevie yeah i think that's right. That was like Netflix's first show before House of Cards, by the way. People forget that. Yeah. People are like, the company House of Cards built. It's like, no, dog, Lily Hammer built that. Yeah, off the back of Steve Van Zandt. Yeah. That was when their model was invest in the fifth guy in Sopranos

and see if he can carry a whole show because that show was popular. And then they went a little further. Three seasons. Three seasons. Kevin, what is the myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? I thought about this a lot in thinking about myths in particular. One myth may be the existence of hell, and I'm here to say hell isn't real. Thank you. No. That's a load off my shoulders.

Wait, Jack's pissed that hell isn't real? What's the matter? He was raised Catholic, man. You're kind of disrupting a lot of teachings right now. Yeah, there's something that I read at some point about how the existence of hell has some connotation with societies that, I don't know, it's more impactful on the moral makeup of a society than you would think, like belief in hell. Absolutely, yeah. I mean, it kind of i'm sure i'm sure it's conversant with

the conversations about prison reform stuff and like the idea of justice and i'm sure it's got to influence so many things the idea of like ultimate justice in a way yeah oh man hell huh i mean who's to say you know like when i was tripping and like reading books like in college i was like what if like this is hell right now how do we know that so like fuck bro hand me that bong yeah no well okay miles kind of just stole my whole argument so i i guess i can't dispel the myth fully did you grow up fearing hell? Hellfire? Yeah. I did not really. When I was really young, I tried to think of... I could never get my mind around the idea of eternity. It didn't seem possible to me.

So then I just couldn't do it. I gave up when I was five. Damn, gave up on hell at five? I just gave up on understanding it. You hate to gave up on hell at five? I just gave up on understanding it. I hate to hear that, man. I think I did, though, because my nightmares were always me doing bad things

and getting in trouble. Oh, shit. I used to have this recurring nightmare where someone would force me to do drugs when I was five or six or something. Oh my God. Why?

What happened? I don't know, man. They forced you to do... It's Catholicism, bro. What kind of drugs did they force you to do? They would... So I didn't know shit about drugs. So they would cut my thumb

and then pour powder on the cut. And that was how they got me. And then what would happen? Your mom would happen like you would your mom would be like jack you're on drugs go to hell exactly oh my goodness gracious well and what was it like the drug-free america like how did you get that connotation with the drugs and everything yeah i think it must have been the psas i mean you know i'm growing up in the reagan era and right like grow a lot of tv a lot of like very special episodes of people

you know doing drugs having their life ruined by drugs um turns out drugs are awesome and uh they're too good they're not nobody's gonna force you to uh pour them in your thumb cut though but yeah now we we cut to two weeks from now when daily zeitgeist listeners there's an epidemic of thumb cutting powder putting into horrible infections children are going to the icu in record numbers from this podcast the least efficient way to do cocaine cut your thumb and then poor. Terrible, terrible infection. Yeah. Yeah.

A lot of gangrene. It doesn't even get into your system that way, I don't think. I mean, it technically could absorb it, but then I feel like, then it was just like necrotized from a terrible infection. Like, ah, it's gone necrotic

and I got a cool like purple thumb now. Gracious. Yeah. I don't think I had a fully realistic view of drug use when I was like seven years old. That's why you got to get your kids started early, you know, so they don't have these weird dreams. Show them the wire early on. Show them how to break open a light bulb and get busy with it.

What the heck? Is that real? Kevin, I can't corrupt you. That's a whole other podcast. I know. I do have a lack of knowledge with drugs that is comforting to me. You do what with the what? And there's a spoon? Oh, my God. All right. Let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back.

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examples of racism from police. There is a cop who was caught on video just basically fantasizing about murdering black men, using the N-word constantly, saying, I can't wait. God, I can't wait for basically a race war, talking about how he's arming himself up for it and another police officer who he's talking to who's on board for the most part and these are words of a person who's

legally like allowed to murder people and they were it was not like a new a young this was a long time officer so the full conversation is definitely worth reading because i think it makes it clear just like what we're up against and i don't know how you read that and still feel comfortable with there being armed police in the united states the examples keep adding up or the proof is becoming more available to people who really want to see like what the you know what the police force in this country has evolved into and like what are the elements within it in this bushel of apples man there's some there's some bad ones there's some white supremacist ones there are guys who are horny for a race war that the intent in their voices of like fantasizing about it is really just of someone who's like, I just need a reason because that's really what it is.

I'm ready to kill black people. Unfortunately, I need a reason to do it. join and i will go to an occupation where there is a monopoly on violence the police force uh because we are we exclusively have the rights to violence if you are violent at all the police will come doesn't matter in what context because violence is for the state and for the police to do on you and you have people who are just saying i just need a fucking reason um and they're walking around the streets and even to like what you know a countless people not aside from like danielle who was talking about her own family and other people i know who has had parents in law enforcement and who have had to sever relationships in the last

month because of they began to question what their parents were doing over the last few years they're like i've heard you say some really wild shit over the years. How could I ever know you've never done something fucked up out there, even if you didn't realize it? Even if you didn't realize it, but how do I know that? It's like, if you don't trust me, there's all kinds of stuff. And to know that this is out there is frightening. But again, this is a terror that has been known forever for certain people in this country.

But yes, I hope every time we're hearing about this, whether it's even police in Milwaukee who are abdicating their responsibility to follow up on people saying children were abducted and the neighborhood is going on their own to find justice, that we can see that there are these issues that we have to correct. There's nothing is getting better.

We're only, I think now people just are willing to see how bad it is. And now there's a taste of it. It tastes like shit. Yeah. I know people use the apple metaphor a lot, and bad apple or like, oh. I mean, although the rest of that phrase is,

one bad apple ruins the bunch. Yeah. Which I think people realize. Also, I don't know if we've talked about the possibility that maybe just apples are bad for you. Maybe you shouldn't eat apples at all. And maybe apple as a food group is not something you need in your life. But Adam and Eve and Johnny Appleseed.

Right. No, and Apple. Wait, Adam and Eve? Adam and Eve. So Eve took the apple and then created original sin in our fallen world that we live in. But iPhones, dude. iPhones. Case closed. iPhones, you know, that's part of the common grace that God has given us. But then in a way, an apple has ruined our lives forever.

So abolish apples. But, you know, like what happens after, right? Like, because Jack, you wrote this in there of, you know, these people have been operating above the law for a long time. And in the last month, the world is changing very quickly for these people who were able to murder and kill and maim undisturbed are suddenly finding themselves in a world where people are paying a lot more attention, realizing not only are they overpaying or overpaid and bleeding budgets when they can go to people who actually need money, but there are also these reforms coming and these structural changes that essentially could put them out of the job. You know, like when you have these, you know, like in certain places that have completely

revamped their police departments, it's like they fire everybody. Everybody has to reapply. So I have a feeling there are cops out there who would, even if they reapply, they'd be like, look, we got to be real, man. Your record is fucked up. There's no fucking way you're going to like that was back then. But this is the reason why we dismantled this department is to make sure we know everybody who's in there. And unfortunately, you don't pass the test. is to make sure we know everybody who's in there.

And unfortunately, you don't pass the test. What happens to these other officers afterwards who are just angry white people who are just used to killing black people undisturbed? And yeah, I guess that is their secondary fantasy is to be like, well, then it's civil war and then there is no laws. And then that's how I can just act this out all the time. Yeah.

I mean, it's still, I'd say it's still preferable to, you know, fire them all, abolish the police. But when we do, a lot of them are going to turn into a very dangerous, like, you know, white supremacist terror organization. And we just need to, as a society, grapple with the fact that we don't take white supremacist uh domestic terrorism seriously and it's going to it's going to be a problem for a long long time um still preferable because they won't legally be allowed to murder people um but i do think we need to be prepared that these are neo-nazis and openly violent white supremacists. Yeah. And I mean, so on Behind the Police,

Robert Evans's mini series that he's doing with propaganda, they talk about an active white supremacist gang that was operating out of an LA Sheriff's precinct. Like it was the LA Sheriff's precinct called the Linwood Vikings. And when you go to the Wikipedia page, it's all wanton racist hate crimes, and it just ends. It's never dealt with. And then they were rooted out. There's a suit that requires the LA Sheriff's Department to pay $9 million in damages. And one of the guys they framed for murder gets out of prison after decades of being spent there.

But they're still out there. And this is not that far from where Robert Fuller was hanged. So it's just... I don't know, man. There's a woman in Wisconsin who was attacked with lighter fluid, uh, by four frat boys sustained second and third degree burns. And the media is just kind of not really covering it again, because I, since the beginning of all of these uprisings and protests, I've been saying these systems respond every time to

something, right? If they're, it's just like a living organism. If it feels that it is in threat, it will have to defend itself. So the police are on the back foot the first couple months. Now they're, they're really out here with their full blown, like we're victims. We're going to brutalize people on camera. Like cop is gonna remind me i'm doing illegal chokes on black people on camera there's a lot where you're seeing this you know like just in the moment where a lot of people i think felt good of like okay we're on the verge of reform you also see where the media comes into your point and sort of isn't allowing this to be part of the main discussion anymore of being like yeah yeah, let's keep this, let's keep stoking this flame of being like, we need to actually reform the police. And we are

just seeing this, the backlash. I just feel like in every single thing, like whether it's policing or it's even performers not doing the voices of black characters, there's going to be the response where the racists have to come out and show themselves because that's just what it is. So if it's the, you know, Jenny Slate thing, then people are like, well, what about James Earl Jones? Like, that's just the nature. Like, there's always going to be a response from people of this other side, of this ideology. And I think that's what we have to keep looking at is every time ground is made or improvements are made, there will always be a push back from these systems whether that's white supremacy or what have you but this is this is going to be

constant i think being reminded of that uh fact will help people stay focused on this because again you know the media really they yeah they really don't give a fuck as much now unless it's like unless things are burning down uh there isn't much room for that because we're completely on like bill barr huh like he's a he's a career he's a crime huh he's a creep yeah i think the last month is the first time that i have aligned in my in conservative families disdain for like mainstream media stuff so before mainstream media was like oh they're fear-mongering about covid19 it's actually just a flu it's not bad blah blah blah or like the mainstream media won't tell you about this hashtag plandemic and then the idea of like the way that the mainstream media did cover blm

protests and the movement especially the first couple of weeks in all the like couch fainting and pearl clutching about the looters and all this and and like how they frame things and what they put their their focus and attention on that was the first time that social media did feel like a a net positive for the world in the sense of like distribution and visibility yeah which is like in history truly Like it may have been one of the only. And I'm sure there's like been plenty of social uprisings where social media has been like a like an important component of it. But with the BLM, it just felt like unimpeachable, like putting together like these montages of LAPD brutalizing the police over a video of Eric Garcetti being like, I love you, son, to Chief Moore and things like that. It just felt unimpeachable. So I think it's sad that civilians have to be held to a higher standard

with this stuff in terms of vigilance than elected officials and civil servants. But that's the way it is. The people who run these news organizations are white liberals, typically. And it's exactly what like Martin Luther King was talking about, like well-intentioned white liberals. Like, beware, because that's not how we get to real justice, because it's you can tell who run the newsrooms have a certain threshold for how much discomfort they're willing to even have go through their airwaves of like i don't know it's should we really keep talking about like this colonizer stuff like it's kind of getting heavy i don't know like should we just talk like you go to msnbc right now there isn't a single headline having to do with anything that was related to the uprisings and protests that

have been going on. It's about Biden having a lead, what's going on with COVID-19, Trump has bad polls. There's nothing about Breonna Taylor's murderers still being out there, only getting fired, what's happening in other cities. I just barely saw something about Elijah McClain, how the governor is asking that that case be actually investigated now but this is how the like because a lot of people they really think the media is the fucking world and unfortunately when they fall into that they will look at this and go okay i think i think racism's been solved but we're still out here saying like oh my god but this is how it works they can't they can't really shine the light on themselves right now they're just incapable um and that's why like the the lack of diversity inclusion especially when you look at the media like this is the kind of thing you get yeah i mean

that there there's a a guy john rice uh who has written in the atl talked on a New York magazine's podcast about what he calls third degree racism. And he kind of describes it as, uh, it's like the most omnipresent type of discrimination. It kind of undergirds every part of, uh, American companies basically, uh,

like white owned and run companies. Um, and it's third degree in that it's like not intentional it's passive and maybe less acutely damaging than the stuff we were just talking about but it's omnipresence makes it as damaging on on the whole i'll just read like what he wrote in his article in the atlantic he, employers whose efforts to increase diversity lack the same analytical and executional rigor that is taken for granted in every other part of their business engage in practices that disadvantage black people in the competition for economic opportunity. It needs to be a goal that you're tracking with metrics. It needs to be like you would any other part of your business that you

want to succeed in. It can't just be a thing that you make a gesture at every once in a while when people are looking. Yeah. But that's all people, a lot of people just know how to do. And they aren't around enough people to tell them that's bullshit. That's not change at all. That's you. That's like you just being like, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. That's the equivalent of like, just being like, oh, sorry, that's it. That's all you did was apologize. Because if you're really, you know, if you're really looking at this as an issue, then take like, then think about it to your point, Jack, like if you're going to use analytics and figure out how you're going to boost your profit margins or whatever business goal you have, you're going to do that more and just be like, yeah, we need more of that. So just do that.

And I'll talk to you at the end of the quarter. Like you got to have a strategy. It's the same thing with dismantling systemic racism. You have to have a strategy. You have to have a way of looking at it and quantifying it. Because I think the thing that people do is be very disingenuous and act like it isn't a measurable thing. Like, even though there's so much data to say, these cities are segregated like this, there is your data right there. There's so much that you can look at to help inform your decision-making and say, oh, wow, like, it's not just that I have to hire people. It's like that I have to make my company a place that allows black people and a diverse group of people a pathway

into stable income to you know generate wealth because that's the unfortunately the name of the game here is like you have to be in here and then you have to buy real estate because that's just the american cycle um and a lot of places too but that if you're not thinking like that then yeah you're gonna get all this bullshit these empty gestures that ring hollow like after you get the boner off from the press release and then you're like oh yeah right and then you're back to regular schedule program it feels like it most of the time that stuff has the social efficacy of like deleting old tweets rather than okay well what's the thing moving forward what's the commitment what's the change where's the well, what's the thing moving forward? What's the commitment? What's the change? Where's the money going? What's the practice now?

I don't even know if you guys at all followed the Ringer stuff or the Bill Simmons stuff this past week. I have it in here, actually. Oh, is that true? Oh, gracious. Yeah, well, he specifically addresses one of the things that Bill Simmons raises, the whole pipeline thing. He's like, well, you know, we didn't have the ability to hire a more diverse staff because we didn't have the money

and we were just still starting out. And it's like he... Wait, you didn't have the money to what? Underpay people of color like you normally do? Like, what the fuck is that? He said when executives use that excuse that there's like a small pipeline of talent uh he asks them oh yeah how many black people would you have at your wedding

because that we're not in the band right exactly and that is yeah he his point is that like a lot of the time people are hiring from like their pool of connections. And they're not doing it because they're thinking out loud, I want to gatekeep. They're doing it because it's the easy thing to do. It's easier to vet people who know somebody who is at your wedding. And it's self-perpetuating. But yeah, the Simmons thing was interesting, Kevin. I'd love to hear

your thoughts on that uh and as someone who is like really i i love a lot of the ringer content stuff i listen to some of those shows regularly and and probably read the website regularly but very disappointing stuff i mean it bill simmons has been kind of showing his ass the last month as far as the conversation goes, even in his first podcast back with Ryan Russillo from the protests where they were just very flippant and really insensitive about just looter bullshit and stuff like that. shit and stuff like that but um the thing from the new york times piece that was really offensive that people rightfully kind of zeroed in on as as the language that said so much was talking about like even so even in in in the sense of their podcasts where like on some of those shows they would have on more guests of color or more different kinds of people. And then over time, it just, like for their Rewatchables podcast, it just became the same three guys who are, you know, senior staff at the website and they're white males.

And the thing Bill Simmons said was, this is an open mic night. As far as like proven talent and stuff, which just like. Yeah. talent and stuff which just like yeah i feel like even that like that is is the stuff that we have to be so vigilant in in identifying and understanding the kind of like thought processes that that lead to that moment by the way it is an open mic night bill simmons did give his 14 year old daughter a podcast on the network so it's like, okay, yeah. Shut the fuck up. I guess it's not open mic night because comedians do those generally,

but not just like guys, you know. Yeah, especially like in a lot of industries. I mean, I can only speak from entertainment comedy myself, but I've only been able to move up because of my proximity to whiteness. I've never had a black person give me a job ever in entertainment ever. I've only had the job because I knew white people who were who were vacating that position, who used to work there, who I worked with previously and are now in a position to hire. who I worked with previously and are now in a position to hire.

But that's the game a lot for a lot of non-white people to get into industries that are so homogeneous like this. There's no way to do it because it's not like you're going to go on Craigslist and see an ad to be a writer's assistant for the next NBC show. That's just not how it works. You have to know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody and if you're if you're already like trying to enter a very white scene and you are not white there's like extra work you got to do like you got to have to you're gonna have to figure out who these people are that are worth knowing and that can offer you opportunity because

at the end of the day it it come like it comes very differently than a lot of people who i just see like oh shit like wow how'd you get that job? Like, I didn't even know they were hiring. And they're like, oh yeah, like my friend's ex like used to run that thing. And now he's at UTA,

but he, like he knew me, like he knows my cousin. And then, so he just had me come through and like, yeah, like I was doing some shit like at my last game. I was like,

what the fuck? Like that's how y'all get jobs. It almost feels like that's's a more sinister microcosm of what you see happening with film industry stuff where it's so prevalent right now to make stuff based on pre-existing IP because it's like, oh, it's a known quantity and it's a safe bet.

So, okay, we're going to do a live action remake of Little Mermaid or whatever they're doing. And so that being like a broader less harmful example of the more micro stuff that is fear-based decision making which is the worst kind yeah which is like trusted like okay well i know steven and i grew up across the street from him i think he can hold it down i guess but it's like he doesn't have an original thought in his body and he can only speak in quotes from the movie old school oh my god and you're like you're running this whole day what the fuck but not even stepbrothers but old school yeah right i mean like but you know very specific time

but you know it's that's kind of that's the game uh and i think that's why people need to look you know like the these jobs and stuff are like i think white people don't realize like a ball like this employment is like a ball y'all got and you pass it around to people that you already are have been making eye contact with so the ball only gets passed around to people you already know and then there are people trying to get in the game and how the fuck do i catch this ball i'm like okay so i'm gonna need to get near this person who's in the game uh they will know who i am and then now i at least they know who i am and that that's there's a chance the ball could come my way and the problem is like you're saying kevin it's all fear-based because if they just took what's odd is like to someone who's getting uh hiring someone it's like it's a risk to you know maybe go out there and someone you don't know

but you know what you're the chances of you finding someone really good are much higher than just settling on someone you don't have to worry about and it's the same thing with the ideas the movies suck because it's ideas like from the business standpoint of the film industry they don't have to worry about it's not like a risk but all this shit is like not entertaining anymore and now we're like fuck you bro just bro. We'll just watch Korean movies then. At least they're doing some shit. And not just rinsing and repeating stuff. And they're not even seeing the benefit of being like, dude, do something different.

It will naturally energize things. You know it will be stagnant if you just continue to stay in your comfort zone. And that's beyond just your business practices. it's just a way of living too you know you like you need to go outside of what you know to truly begin to like build your world of experience and try and see things differently otherwise yeah you're just playing yourself because you're looking at the same fucking stucco wall all day and you're like yep that's that's the world yeah and it kind of makes everyone a victim of that stuff too yeah because in a way like white people become like not as much of a victim but a victim of it by their own like almost being like trapped in this morass of mediocrity by not ever wanting to get out of

that zone and i think and i think especially in creative uh environments decision makers rob themselves of a lot of yes excellence and potential from that and just even yeah when you when you miss out on people like that who aren't part of the normal you know like comedy guy circle where like i feel like that's every like most writers rooms and then just take the chance you're gonna something new will happen which will already be energizing and if you're hiring then like you know that you it's i don know. It just seems so easy. But again, we're running these examples where companies are like, and we're going to do the right thing now. And it's like, that could have been done so long ago. And it really wasn't that hard,

aside from the fact that you just agreed now that it's bad. Yeah, exactly. I mean, they're choosing third degree racism over, you know, actual actual success. They have to because it will make your company better. Studies have found that people who are with people like themselves in a group problem-solving setting have a higher degree of confidence in the answer they come to or the solution they come to and a lower level of success. And I think that's like, just keep that in mind. It's going to be comfortable and more mediocre if you are just like working with and hiring people who are like yourself. It's just going to be, you guys are going to be like, yeah, yeah, totally. This is, we nailed it and you're going to be wrong.

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Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts and we're back real quick i don't think we got a chance to talk about, they looked at the security tape. They checked the receipts on that cop who said there was a tampon placed in his Frappuccino. And nothing, that didn't happen. So it seems like the police are really out of touch with the wonders of video. You're fucking kidding me. That was not real.

I thought the Tampon Bay fuckaneer with his Flo Pacino was the real story. And that's not... Oh, God. Then who... So are people being mean to cops? I don't get it. It's...

All these stories are so incredible because it is watching... Like watching law enforcement officials essentially write fanfic of their own persecution in real time. It is an incredible exercise to see, okay, what would be the most egregious? I guess a tampon. What would a guy like me get at a, I guess I would get a Frappuccino at one of these places. And like just kind of the A to B to C. And historically, Starbucks has, lest we forget,

has perpetuated a lot of fake anti-police violence when the young lady wrote pig on the guy's cup. That he wrote on his own cup? Exactly. A couple months ago. So much self-harm. that's all they know is this self-harm they're truly just a vile group you know what i mean like and then when you look broadly at the conservative movement against uh starbucks killing christmas with their like not putting

crosses on their christmas cups it's it's like a lesser version of that but it's still the same sort of idea that like you can get everybody outraged by claiming starbucks is attacking you yeah well yeah i'm not like the morals to actually follow through on any of like their supposed boycotts or anything because at the end of the day their their brains are fully fucked off consumer culture like there's no way that they're like, yeah, you know what? I've really thought about my place in this consumer cycle and actually giving my money to Starbucks isn't what I want.

Aside from them destroying Christmas, I just think as an enterprise, it's probably not a good idea for me to participate. It's not, that's not what it is. It's just pump faking. That's all these people do. It's just a pump fake. I won't go.

Okay, then don't. Fuck you. We're doing the same thing. And watch, they still go. And they shut the fuck up. And now they're just like, well, then all right, pig on my own cup. Okay, idiot, you're still here. And you gave them your money, you fucking dummy.

Now, we're getting this news in just now. But from the at Starbucks official account, they've announced that the new holiday cups will be cops on their cups they're gonna put cops and santa outfits on their holiday cups making everybody happy oh man just saying po po po down the fucking chimney let's talk about kristen bell and j Jenny Slate. They have subbed themselves out as performers because they were voicing persons of color on Big Mouth and Central Park, respectively. Yeah. So. I mean, great, great. Hey, make space.

That's great. were like, yeah, when I just, you know, the last month, just trying to think of how I may have participated in any kind of racism or kept people out of a job or something. I realize I'm playing a half black character and yes, the character is half white and I am white. And then that could be my half. And then that's why it's okay is what I told myself. But then I realized it was black erasure. And I was also taking up the spot for someone else who could be having a nice income as a voiceover actor because Jenny Slate and Kristen Bell are not struggling at all. They are. I know Kristen Bell is a very kind landlord. So I have a feeling they, you know, they're doing the right thing because that's precisely they're looking at it and making that decision.

But this is like the easy stuff, too. It's almost like, yeah, you could these, you know, people of color can also do voice acting. And there was a few articles showing how there are a few like white voice actors who are voicing characters who are not white and just sort of like, yeah, this is like a thing that we can also talk about. But then it kicks off the whole fucking darth vader discussion with people on the right the recency of these of these voices too is what makes it so funny and i feel like kristen bell with the you know everyone's purple or whatever that kid's book she she put out a couple weeks ago i i think we're getting more of a clear sense of uh where her and dax might fall on certain things i don't see color i don't see color yeah but that

central park came out like two weeks ago it's not like it's truly not like you know the first thing yes like it's not like even even in scrubs or 30 rock where it's like it was 15 years ago and blah, blah, blah. But it's like Central Park came out on Apple TV Plus two weeks ago. And they're like, oh, you know, upon further inspection. The thing with both of those cases is I feel like the instant Hank Hazaria says, you know what? I'm not doing a poo anymore. That I feel like just should be, that's it. Like it's game over for,

is this right? Or like, I don't know. And it's a complicated quiz. Like Hank is area who got grandfathered in from a much more racist time. And I'm probably a much more racist writing staff. He's saying no to it in response to like legitimate criticism. So why would it ever be okay? Wait, he azaria said he's done in february he said he was done doing a poo yeah that's what i mean

oh oh you're saying if if okay got it i'm confused once he says he's done like everybody else yeah like everyone else should have like that should have been a wave it should have been like there should have been a cascade of press releases of like, oh shit, yeah, Azaria's not doing her poo. That's like that example everyone has in the back of their mind. They're like, well, you know, Hank Azaria does that poo. So like, if it's not hotter than him, I guess I can get away with this shit.

It's the example that gives permission. And even on a woke as hell show like Bojack Horseman where Alison Brie is playing an Asian character. Like it's just, everyone's giving each other permission in these teeny tiny little ways. Right. Guys, let's check in with the Netflix top 10 real quick. Altered Carbon season two.

I hope it's still up there. So we skipped last week and the Netflix top 10 went wild. In the meantime, we've got some new entries. So 365 Days, still there, still in the top four. For most of last week, I noticed it was at number one, so America stays horny, to the point that number six is the full porno that Carl and I were talking about.

That's like, I don't know, it's actual people having actual sex on camera, but it's wrapped in a moody European film. It's from the guy who made Enter the Void. It's okay. So that broke into the top 10. Let's see. The Floor is Lava.

What do we know about the floor is lava? I know a friend of mine is on episode nine, and I did enjoy watching her cross. Oh, it's a fucking obstacle course show. Okay. I mean, I like obstacle course shows. Shout out to Japanese culture. We see you stealing the culture but um yeah i like i the thing that jamie tweeted yesterday about nut job at the time

of her tweet it was number four and she was like america let's unpack this um because yeah i wonder i know nut job is going to be some kind of just absolutely bizarro, tone-deaf animated thing. We've already seen this off porn. Yeah. Of 365. 2014 3D computer animated heist comedy where they're stealing. It's, I think, squirrels stealing nuts. That's awesome.

Will Arnett, Brendan Fraser, and Gabriel Iglesias. Fluffy himself. That's awesome. Oh, my God. I can't wait. I don't know. We haven't done... I mean, Flores Lava is definitely a departure from scripted things

we have been assessing. But will we have much commentary? It's been number one all week. Then maybe we just need to understand why. Because when 365 Denis was number one, we had to go boldly into that soft core. So let's do this one now. I've managed to avoid all of these.

Lost Bullet is basically French Fast and Furious. You should definitely watch 365 days it's a it's a cinematic achievement it's a biz it's so fucking off the rails with its like lack of acknowledging consent and like what it means to be in a relationship or what love is like so many times you're like oh my god he grabbed this woman by her neck and then like made out with her and she's like, all right, I'll stay. You're right.

You're like, what? Made out with her, with his wiener. Oh, well not that, well, I mean,

that's not, that's, you're talking about off the rip, the 10,000 foot altitude fellatio scene. There's a lot of, there's a lot of head in that movie. A lot of head. Yeah.

Well, a friend of mine asked me to watch it in live texture while I was doing it, so maybe I'll do that tomorrow night. Oh, yeah. I can only imagine. I was constantly about to pass out because I could not believe that this was a thing that many Americans were like,

yep, yep, yep, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, pretty cool. Did you know that Jeff Dunham is one of the voices in The Nut Job No he's not Lena's brother Yes he is Oh I love it We never talk about that nepotistic ride She took huh to the top

I know she you know Her fortune is built on puppet culture Yeah racist puppet culture But her whole career Was her showing up at parties with like new york times writers and being adorable when she was like seven years old because her parents were like society people well yeah and then you're like hi david mamet's daughter be in my thing too so nobody will ever be able to say no to this show and then hello brian williams daughter come be

in my show this is a bunch of they should not, they should have called it, instead of girls, they should have called it daughters. Right. Because they're all someone's daughters. That's the thing that we were talking about the other day of just, again, how like the industry works, like even in LA. All the celebrity kids, producer kids, exec kids, they go to one of three high schools. Yeah.

Oh, fully. And then all the films end up coming out of alumni of these schools. And you're like, I'm always like, okay, where'd you go to Harvard, Westlake or crossroads time to abolish high school. Thank you. You're welcome. Home. Yeah.

Just, just PC learning. Just fire up the, yeah. I was homeschooled. I turned out great. Fantastic. The nut job.

Uh, I met, maybe I have to watch the nut Job because as I was watching the preview I was also hanging out with my sons and they were laughing uproariously I just don't know is it too do I want to expose them to this

I feel like it's probably not good I've already polluted their brains with Trolls World Tour you do the woke dad thing where you're watching the problematic movie and you pause and you're like, let me explain what's happening here, son. What they're trying to tell you. What they're trying to indoctrinate you with.

Because this is already trying to put you on the rat race where you're trying to attain, in this case, acorns. But we call them dollars out here because we are living in a system and then they're like they just start crying because they want to watch the cartoon this is why I can never

have children because I don't want to do John Oliver explainers every two minutes if we put on and if you think wackos accent is inappropriate it's because it is it's because it is

you guys have a really good John Oliver. I can only do welcome, welcome, welcome. Fuck you, Helen. You knew I wasn't going to be in the break room. Does anyone have a John Oliver non-sequiturs Twitter account that are just out of context lines that you would believe in? And you'd be like, yeah, and fuck you, Alan. I'm not coming to the break room to sing.

No, that'd be cool, though. Oh, we love Zazu. We stan. Yeah. Oh, wait. Before we get there, do we decide it's Nut Job or Floor is Lava? Nut Job? Oh, shit.

I'm going to watch the Nut Job. You're going to watch the Floor is Lava? Nut Job? Oh, shit. I'm going to watch the Nut Job. You're going to watch the Floor is Lava. Does that sound good? I agree, because I actually, every time you watch a kid's movie for this, you come back with

like a fucking, you look so deep into the matrix of the film, I get like stressed out when I'm like, I'm an idiot, because this guy's like, I mean,

I don't know what they're actually trying to say about this genre of music and trolls, and I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is good. Have this guy on the kid movie. I would recommend Floor is Lava. I enjoyed what I watched. All right. So Floor is Lava and Nut Job, do you, listeners, whatever you want to land on for Monday.

Kevin, it's been a pleasure having you. Where can people find you, follow you, enjoy you? You can follow me at Kevin T.orter everywhere. You can listen to my podcasts, Inside Voices, or Good Christian Fun, wherever you get your pods. And then, you know, peep me on Letterboxd. We're all on Letterboxd now, right? Reviewing our movies, showing our histories,

making our lists. What a fun time. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying oh you know what in in in uh preparation for this i did find a tweet that allowed from at auto otto fernandez he tweeted i'm not bipIPOC. I'm OJ. I thought it was a pretty terrific tweet. Miles, where can people find you and follow you?

And what's the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, Miles of Grey. Also, my other podcast, 420 Day Fiance. If you like 90 Day Fiance, hop in. It's a ride. It is a ride. Okay, let's see. A tweet that I like. This one is from at WeAmoreAmara.

It says, are there any black owned planets I can move to? And what else is there? Another one is from at Ben Meckler.ckler says is it all millennials that can attach every formative sexual experience in their life to a dvd menu that was playing on repeat in the background or are we a micro generation um some tweets i've been enjoying at speechlyish tweeted writing about u.s food the way the new york times covers asian fruit in a nation torn by racial conflict one unlikely food unites to those accustomed to chopsticks

the greasy parcel known as a burger a sort of split bow is crude and messy yet it encapsulates a nation's violent past uh which I thought was perfect. And then Dan Johnson tweeted, hi, welcome to Chuck E. Cheese. Everything is visibly dirty and our mascot is a rat. Eat some pizza near a sneezing child.

Come on down for some rat pizza at our child casino. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore Brian. You can find us on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on, Miles. What's that going to be today?

This is a track from a group called Dumbo gets mad. And they are very interesting group. And I, this is the first time I heard of this group. It's a, like a Italian band, but they started playing around LA a couple of years ago and they have a very like psychedelic psych pop disco feel. And like, they kind of record the tape. So it feels almost like very old school,

but the rhythms are good. Like this one has a very great samba beat to it. And it's called Makes You Fly. So this is a great, this is just a great one to take into the weekend. Oh, one other thing I do want to say. This weekend, if you are interested in really fantastic visual art i have to recommend

the there is a 48 hour stream of this piece by this artist arthur jaffa it's called love is the message the message is death and he's a really amazing artist it's like this it's it's a thing you could only watch in museums prior to you know the last month with everything going on and it's this you know it's a lot of found and original footage that is described as exploring the Black American experience. And it's a very, very powerful piece. And it's streaming anywhere. A few different museums are streaming this just for this weekend.

And he's an incredible artist from Tupelo, Mississippi. But search for Arthur Jaffa's Love is the Message, The Message is Death. It's a very, very powerful piece that is absolutely recommended viewing if you are so inclined to engage with material like that. And I hope you are. How long is it? It's not that long. It's not like a full-on.

Yeah, it's a shorter piece. I want to, I can't, it's definitely not like an full-on. Yeah, it's a shorter piece. I can't. It's definitely not like an hour or anything like that. I thought you said it was 48 hours long. Oh, no, no. They're playing it for 48 hours. It's being streamed for 48 hours this weekend from today, Friday, up until Sunday. That seems more manageable.

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