The Daily Zeitgeist - A Festival Of ReTrendminations 11/11: 2024 Election Conspiracy Theories, Trump/Harris, 'Wicked', Mattel, Wicked Pictures

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

In this edition of A Festival Of ReTrendminations, Jack and Miles discuss their respective weekends, the Dem's unhinged election conspiracy theories and festival of recriminations, the upcoming 'Wicked' movie and its unintentionally pornographic Mattel/Barbie tie-in and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jake Paul and Mike Tyson are fighting on Friday. I'm like this is so like this just feels like, oh, don't Jack. Don't do not get invested in this fight. I can't not get. I mean, I was like eight when Mike Tyson was at his peak. I mean, they know what they're doing. Don't fall for the trap, dude. Everybody's going to tune in wanting to see him get it.

Yeah, he ain't going to do shit. I feel like this is going to be like a gambling addict, you know, loses it all and then like places that like this is really bad bet afterwards. Like, I feel like America is like, all right, but at least we're going to see Mike Tyson beat the shit out of this racist guy. This is Joe Biden versus Donald Trump, the boxing match. If you think Donald, you think Joe Biden, Mike Tyson is about to do? No, bro. He's he's in it for completely different reasons.

Like he's he's done way too much ayahuasca. He's a different person. He's not just going to snap on somebody anymore. You saw him on that airplane. He could have killed that guy. Oh yeah. He could. Oh, he, I was like, that's not my, that was restraint. I mean that's one of the things in my mind that's making me hopeful is his, I get it. Did he like at least snapped on him and like has been like iron mic is back. He hasn't as Mike has not snapped in. Yeah, that wasn't right. You're saying the fact that it wasn't like,

no, that guy earned whatever licks he got, but yeah, would have turned him into. Yeah, it just looks like the inside of a blender, like five seconds later. Turn him into like a spec. We have never seen someone this old box for a reason I mean I have read it And they're usually knocking motherfuckers out there's always like oh young guys he has approximately 30 seconds and then it's time to turn the shit off because oh

yeah, that Boxing is the hardest sport on your body and mind and you are working like every muscle, every organ in your body into overdrive like constantly like a sprint and also at the same time someone is trying to kill you. Like it's just, it's not, it's not what we're built for. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself and leaning into her dreams.

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Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hello the internet and welcome to this week trend edition of Dirt Island at least night guys! Yes! Yes! My name is Jack O'Brien, that over there is Miles Gray. This is the episode where we take you through the things that are trending on Monday, uh, tell you some of the things that happened over the weekend. Our first Monday morning episodes since the election results rolled in.

Hey, there's still votes out there, you know, still votes out there and I have some conspiracy theories. I would like to share with you. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Is a everywhere. It is multifaceted, it is multicolored, and it's all sad. Truly there's coping in every, every kind of flavor and fantasy. Yeah. I mean, I'm doing my own. Uh, well, I think we talked about it in the cold open.

You may have heard that. Got it all riding on the able 58 year old shoulders of one Mike Tyson. Yep. Then they're gonna have a one-on-one game. Michael Jordan versus Cooper flag and. Pfft. Did you see him?

Did you see his Duke date or him play it? Yeah, just yoking through coming down. Yeah, I was like, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, the new theme song of the show. Oh, oh, come on. You know, that's that's just I think that's our new texture for this year. I guess it's just going to be where is it?

Anyway, all right. Before we get into any of that shit, Miles, we do like to let people, we allow them to get to know us a little bit better. We let them in a little bit by telling them some things we think are overrated, some things we think are underrated. And why don't we start with overrated? Because I'm in a hater mood. What's something you think's overrated?

Hater mood, hater mode activate. So overrated just again, this last week, not even a week since the election results came in just hearing so many, I'm hearing the fingers being pointed. The recriminations were getting everything. There's what did it? What's the simple answer for this? And is there one that completely defends the norms of liberalism and the Democratic Party's status quo? I'm just overrated hearing anything about why we lost from the establishment, just generally not interested in those that analysis at all. Senator Chris Murphy wrote like a thread on Twitter about like the rebuilding the Democrats need to do and said shit like

there's this like it's like a multi you know post thread on Twitter. I think the sixth one said quote, we don't listen enough. We tell people what's good for them and when progressives like Bernie aggressively go after the elites that hold people down, they are shunned as dangerous populists. Why? Maybe because true economic populism is bad for our high income base and he's doing the mmmm, grin teeth emoji.

Did I just say that? Whoops, did I say that part? But here's the thing, dipshit. You have not been a champion of these policies whatsoever. So now what? Now what? Because this guy sits, he's the chair on the subcommittee of Homeland Security.

Like you are powered by the prison and military industrial complex. So now you have thoughts, like it's so hollow to me that being like well maybe was that it and I think also this is also part of the thing of being like well maybe if I show a little bit of awareness and you know quasi accountability around what the establishment stands for then maybe I can still have a seat at the table for whatever the new version of the Democratic Party is.

And he laments about how the Democratic, the tent is just not big enough. Dude, it's not the fucking tent, it's the table that's not big enough. The people that are seated at that table are just so disconnected. Because now all the articles are coming out, but like, well, we knew it was a wrap at this point. Or like, oh, the consultants are so, I completely out of touch and kept insisting that this was the right way to go. Or the polling said this or that. Yeah. Again, the problem is there, people were crying out for policies that would have addressed a lot of

these concerns. Now, would that have actually changed the outcome? Who knows? Because I think the, this, where we're at was an inevitability, right? We couldn't keep not taking care of working people and expect just people to like die at their jobs. Something was going to change drastically and it was either America in the sort of positive version getting their shit together and saying, Oh my God, we need to abandon protecting capital and we need to actually just make this country about helping people. And because, and so something was going to change radically and because it wasn't going to go that way, it was going to, it's, we're now in this other version because the road forked off and this was the way it went. So anyway, this campaign was ran

as like a centrist dream come true. And anyone that isn't saying this ideology should be abandoned is just running cover for the Democrats or they are so comfortable in the status quo that they can't actually grasp how bad things are for people. I mean, if they have it in them to say this now and they're not just triangulating to be like, so let's find something between Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris. You know, like I and but like there was an initial I really do think that the instinct is to treat it as completely inevitable

and also like that the Republicans were right about everything and the Democrats were wrong about everything. And but there is apparently, you is apparently a point in the campaign where Harris was leaning towards anti-business, like anti-big business rhetoric and actually being the only candidate in this election or any of the past ever, unless you're counting the Democratic primary. In terms of the two-party binary. Yeah. To actually target like big business. And then her brother in law, is that like Doug's brother? Or maybe her sisters or her sister?

Yeah. Who's like a lawyer for Uber came through and was like, maybe, maybe not so much. And they pivoted to this. Maybe, maybe not so much. And they pivoted to this, yes, extreme centrism that just did not resonate at all, just perfectly set them up to get absolutely cleaned out. Or just not raise the enthusiasm. That's really what we're seeing now,

is like, it's the enthusiasm. It's the enthusiasm that was made. As we'll talk about, we now have conspiracy theories about how did the Republicans make 20 million Democratic voters disappear, which I don't think it's going to end up being that high. But you know, the point remains that is what happened. A bunch of people who voted for Biden last time disappeared. And the they're treating it like a fucking

David Copperfield special. And it is in fact, the Democrats made those people disappear by running basically Hillary Clinton redux and expecting it to just, I don't know. There's a lot about the messaging around the loss that is frustrating that we'll get into on the news. Yeah. And I think also too, as the real finite polling data comes out, sure, you can start doing

other analyses like that. But I think right now, especially the finger pointing you see, that is such a distraction when all of this, the ire can be squarely aimed at the, what the establishment of the democratic party believed they thought was a good campaign given the stakes that much we can, we can talk about. Yeah. Yeah. We begin to break down how much was it? The Gen Z, uh, podcasting diet versus Jen Xers. We can, we can, we can get to that later, but we have good data and can start blaming Gen Z. But I mean, right now it doesn't even look like that's really the case.

No. You know, so, and again, that's another excuse to not be like, is it because we were completely just doing everything we can to protect the status quo and not budge from that? Yeah. All of those avoid that. All of, I'm saying all of these write ups, avoid that conversation. Always. Yeah. I listened to the Pod Save America first episode after

the loss and like they start and they're like, we're not going to know enough. We don't have enough data to begin with. And then immediately start like fine slicing exit poll data and like blaming it on like Latino vote being lost. And yeah, it was very frustrating because it's not, it's not our strategy. Yeah. It's their fault. It's their fault. It's not our strategy. And the priors, our priors told us this was going to happen. All right. My overrated has nothing to do with the election. My I've got two dumb ones. One overrated how good this video I'm about to take of a pot of dolphins is going to be preemptive.

You big up in your. So wait, you're oh, wait, you're my overrated yourself. How good of nagging? Yeah, no, I'm saying I always overrate. OK, there's a pot of dolphins 40 feet off and I get out my phone and I'm like, get ready motherfuckers, get ready for movie magic. And that's just, just like up there with photos of the moon. Like I, unless the animal is close enough for you to like hear it breathing.

Yeah. Video is probably going to wait. You said this video I'm about to take. So did you, or are you on a. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, I took it. And I over, I was overrating. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I'm like, are you about to get on a boat or something? Like this video. No. Yeah. You, as Brian, that editor points out, you need a drone for that. But yeah, I took my kids fishing yesterday and there were dolphins everywhere.

And the videos that I took were just like, whoa, whoa, whoa. So bad. I don't know. Like, I just feel like somebody needs to do a list of things that, like, are going to be good pictures in your mind and inevitably suck shit. I think the moon is almost always number one on my list. Animals that aren't close enough for you to hear them breathing. Like, usually that's a lot of landscapes people take are pretty overwhelming.

Yeah, it's it's called composition. You know what I mean? Right. Just take a book out of Ansel Adams' page or take a page out of Ansel Adams'. I did just learn a little hack though. You know the.5, like the zoom out, the wide angle? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

If you have like a close-up of something, like we had this huge ass spider in our backyard and I like got up real close to it and took a close-up. And if you do it at point five it gets like real nice and back. Yeah, that lens Okay is nice. Then you're like, you know, look at this cool spider like that's a daddy long life Yeah, but it looks fucking terrifying right while from this angle right I guess and And then another over is just like horny card decals and like bumper stickers. Oh, like I'm still seeing those like the ladies back to back. Yeah. Sitting on their butts with their knees bent. Yeah, that whole thing. Yeah. There's one with like a woman's ass print that always like parks near my kid's school.

Like it's like her ass is press print. Like it's like her leg, her print. Like it's like her leg, her foot and like ass are like pressed against the window kind of thing is like what, what it seems to be, uh, imitating, but it's just, I don't know. I just don't know like what, what this trend is, like what, what they're hoping to express with that. I kind of assume men are horny. That's a good, yeah, that's a good.

Men are driving around uncomfortably horny. Anyone taking action on that? Men are horny? Yeah, I don't know. Anyways. I mean, I guess it's been a thing since like the 70s with the honk. If you're horny sticker, I just don't know why it is a persistent urge to tell the people behind you in traffic that you're like horny. But I don't know. Maybe I just lack that, uh, that, that gene, the link makes that make sense. Yeah.

Oh, that like, you're like, yeah, I mean, horny wish I could be jacking it for me. I remember being really into playboy shit and like, like hustler stuff, like that had the shit emblazoned on it because at the time I just had no sex life and I was like, I look like somebody that fucks. Right, right, right. And narrator. In fact, he was not. He never did. Right. Right. Right. And narrator. In fact, he was not. He never did. Right. Right.

Is that like does compensation? I feel the same when you people rocking all that punishers, you compensate. Yeah. For what? It's not your to you're not aggro enough. So you're going to wear some shit that's like, I'm a fucking killer. And then be like, I'd be fucking like, no, I'm not. The people who are actually fucking have like weird coat, like pineapples or. Right, right, right. Yeah, they got the tattoo or some shit.

Oh, yeah. Weird coded like this means that I'm a swing that tatted to let him know, too. I don't know. You know, I just heard of it like being put on, you know, the shopping cart, cruise ship. Right. Right. Right. Hey, anyone who's a real swinger, let me know because I just realized I'm interested I've seen a couple tad like pineapple tattoos recently and I don't know if that was ironically tropical or like Terms and conditions apply inquire within

What's miles what's something you think's underrated what's miles is underrated miles is something This this has I mean it kind of it, it's not really explicitly about the election, but that Ben Affleck smoking a cig meme, where he's like in that doorway with like, uh, people already know based on the sound I made, where he's like, uh, that Ben Affleck cig meme is, perfectly captures that feeling. You know what I mean? In a way that Affleck smoking a sig meme. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you. Popeye's worker after the sandwich, the chicken sandwich came out

and they were like on a bench just like, oh, shit. It just that feeling of like, holy fuck, what's going on? I just need a fucking second here to not be doing what I was just doing. That captures that feeling so perfectly. It's relevant to me in so many ways, whether it's trying to wrap my head around whatever the new political order is going to be or dealing with a young child that is on the doorstep of being two years old and the I didn't realize when they're like hey you gotta be patient

you gotta be patient I'm like yeah yeah it's like waiting for something to happen no not that kind of patience the patience to not tap into like your animalistic instinct to just like also lose it like we can both fucking lose oh you want to take it there oh yeah and I'm the fuck, oh I'm the old Gia, this shit. Oh yeah. And then you start thinking about your parents, you're like, oh shit, they were just not patient. Right. Like their example was like someone traumatized

by the Great Depression and like, you know, 1920s racism or the being in World War II, like ruins. And that was the version of parenting you got. And now I'm like, oh no no like there are times I'm like I'm angry, but then I have to like think I'm like hold on you're a parent. You're what you're setting an example You're a child the child knows not what they do and like there's like all these processes that happen where I'm just getting like shit Thrown on me and I'm like, okay. Yes and I'm like thank you for this thank you for that thank you for that and one second yeah then you quietly walk outside slam the front door light up

a sig and do come back okay so all right so we don't throw beans everywhere um and please stop slamming cups of milk everywhere. We'll be all right. But anyway, shout out that meme. It's perfect. Giving us life. Yeah, my underrated is kid lies. I heard a six year old claim over the weekend

that he's never even touched the color pink. I was so impressed by that lie. That's fucking dope. Wow. What podcast is he listening to? Yeah, exactly. Never even touched it. Like on some, on some like that's for girls kind of shit.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's dope. That's good for you. This kid is kind of a legend. So when it comes to that kind of shit? Yeah, just the wildest lies that kind of turned one of my kids into a bit of a liar himself. Well, you got to have a lying phase, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're kind of just trying to figure it out. Like you don't realize like you're cool enough. So you got

to like, you got a world build around your identity. Yeah. I was guilty of that shit. For sure. Yeah. I heard my six year old be like, yep. Someone was like, what are you guys doing for Halloween? And we were just like handing out candy and trigger treating he's like we're going to a farm We're just like made up this thing that like We're going to a farm We're like filling up these bags with hay and then we're gonna like draw scary faces on the on the hay bag Oh, and I was like damn this is so detailed and Damn, that sounds like you got some good parents

So detailed and damn that sounds like you got some good parents. Exactly. I said cry for help to you. He did. You know, uh, would love to draw stuff on bags of, Hey, I don't know. Yeah. I think I'm all right. As long as the lies are outlandish when the lies are like, I don't know. My dad's going to like make eye contact with me and like hang out with me.

Right. Right. Right. Right. High five me. Uh, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back. We'll talk about some of these election conspiracy theories. We'll be right back.

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And so it turns out the right doesn't have a monopoly on unhinged election conspiracy theories. There are a lot of online liberal influencers who have been suggesting that the 2024 election in fact has been stolen. But like for real this time, this time it has been. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Well, one of the pieces of evidence that's being pointed to is the claim that, as you mentioned,

20 million Democratic votes are missing because so many fewer people voted for Harris this year than Biden in 2020. So that and like they'll like get in there,'ll be like I'm a computer security expert for the Navy and then SA and like this this is unheard of this doesn't make any so we've never seen anything Like this in electoral politics. There's this one I'm beginning to believe our election was massively hacked just like happened a few weeks ago in the Republic of Georgia Think Elon Musk Starlink Peter Thiel Biel, Bannon, Flynn, and Putin. 20 million democratic votes don't disappear on their own. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

First of all, I always love when the level of detail in the conspiracy theory that overthrows democracy in the country is a think list of names. Like they're just like wish casting a fan fiction Avengers reboot. Right, right. I also saw, I think people are using this like Rogan clip where he was like Elon knew Trump won because he has an app that tells him stuff he knew like early

in the day before the media. Apparently so did the media. Right. Like it just sounded like they were just real. They're like, ah, let's really be sure before we really collapse. Yeah. Everyone's hopes and dreams here. But yeah, okay. He had an app that told him. It's so trusting Joe Rogan to be like, using that anecdote is like trusting a child that the magician they just saw was like a real warlock. Yeah, that's some like I've never touched the color pink type levels of thinking, for sure. Elon, I guess he has this like app that like just the easiest person to lie to. I think that's what makes Joe Rogan like so popular in this moment is like he's just very gullible

and interested in whatever you're saying and we'll go with it. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's just curious, man. I will say the one thing in favor of this conspiracy theory, uh, is that if any institution would get cheated out of an election and like just immediately start asking everyone to be civil and admit they lost fair and square, I feel like it would be the Democrats could be just for the optics. Like even if they had been hacked, I feel like they would help with the cover up to avoid looking like sore losers. Right.

I mean, this is, it's interesting because there are, I've saw so many different things like this. Like, what about, what happened over here? What about what happened over here? Like on some level, they're like, it's just too quiet right now. It's just too quiet. A lot of stuff must be happening behind. Oh yeah. With Trump, like, why isn't Trump yelling at us? Yeah. Yeah. Or even like, even just like, like with like what's happening with Democrats, like maybe they must be

uncovering something and who, okay, if true, then whoa. But also it sounds like there, there's plenty Also, it sounds like there's plenty of data, there's a lot of data and experts, first of all, not raising, like, I don't see election officials specifically raising the alarm. There are a lot of people who are pointing at sort of like, discrepancies between like when their ballot was counted or when it was received and things like that. But it seems like, again, there are still millions of votes

that are still being tabulated that are steadily increasing the total number of votes that were cast. So while I do get it, it is a nice comfortable blanket to wrap ourselves in. Yeah. It may not be the case. Although shit, if something comes out, they're like, yeah, I knew that shit the whole time.

But either way, I don't think that's, uh, yeah, it seems unlikely based on who is forwarding the conspiracy theories versus who is coming forward and being like, we actually speaking of, I knew that shit the whole time. Maybe the most frustrating thing I've heard since the election, uh, is the pod save America episode where like John Favreau was basically like, guys, we knew it was going to be this bad.

Like our priors all told us it was going to be this bad. The people who worked on the election knew it was a historically bad chance of reelection the whole time. The whole campaign, they had like a Trump landslide map in the back of their mind, like a 400 electoral vote loss in the back of their mind, like a 400 electoral vote loss in the back of their mind. So like that, that leads me to believe like the people who actually have access to the data or the people with data are just trying to ask cover and be like, nope, we knew actually,

but also it's just so hard for me to wrap my mind around them having that information and that being the campaign they ran. They ran like they had like a 20 point lead in the fourth quarter. I think when people saw the Cheney thing, everyone was pissed, but I think everyone was like, surely they have some internal polling that shows they are up like 20 percentage points in every swing state because in no other world does this strategy make sense? Yes Now we're learning they knew they were fucked

Electorally or at least they're claiming they were and like doubled down on The unpopular policies that made them fucked in the first place. Again, it was going to take something very different. And when you had the people who were running the Biden campaign prior to that, just switch gears. Like these aren't the people who are going to upset the balance of power here. They were just going to be like, I don't know, man, maybe we can pick off enough. Never Trumpers and just keep, keep our heads down and get through it. And no, it wasn't enough.

Yeah. So also like these reports that the campaign was out of money and like keeping it a secret from us and from Kamala Harris. Like, wait, those texts were for real? Yeah, like the desperation in the text, because in the mainstream media, the stories they were putting out to the media were absolutely crushing. No campaign has ever raised this much money. We're fucking swimming in money. It's unbelievable.

It's a sign that we're riding to the White House on a wave of like populist support and one of these stories that has come out is that there's a fundraiser video that she was set up to you know shoot heading into the homestretch and There was a line where they were like we missed our fundraising deadline in the threat they were like, we missed our fundraising deadline in the thing, which would have been fucking news to me. And I think everybody who was paying attention to the, the campaign, like the,

the fundraising seemed to be the thing that they was like their strong suit. And I think it was also news to Kamala Harris. And she was like, guys, we can't lie to people by saying we missed our fundraising goal. Right. And so they removed it. Right. It was, it was fucking true. Like they were not fundraising well and they were like in debt and like we're fighting for our lot. You know, like this is a full fascist wants to end democracy, kill everyone

who's ever said a bad thing or like imprison them on the verge of absolute power. And they're running the democratic campaign for president, like a guy with a Coke problem, trying to like keep his Miami vice themed kebab place open for one more month. Like they're just like, I don't know. Like, let's just pretend like we have the money you know let's just like yeah like we're good for it we're good for it like dad yeah we're gonna be doing a collab next month you're gonna really fucking love dude it's gonna be sick yeah yeah all good here all good here yeah it's it's very I mean again the fingers are coming out

and they're being pointed very publicly now and now it's stuff like Yeah, dude, it was a rap from the beginning Are y'all talking about and you want people to take you seriously when you then say this is okay But this is what we need. No, yeah, no, no, no, no and fucking no Yeah, they there's a lot of, I'm amazed we even got this close. It was a underdog, like, you know, one in a million shot from the beginning, which is obviously coming from democratic officials close to the campaign. The campaign has been broken since the beginning.

We knew that. I'm amazed we got this close. There's also that. And then, but also this is what I'm always looking at everything through this lens too, is because when you say, oh, the campaign was broken, then you can avoid saying, it's not the policies, it's not what we stand for.

Yeah, it's not the policies, exactly. It was actually the campaign and we fell short with money. That's why all this stuff, you really have to be clear on what we're talking about and where they want people's energy to go into. Because if it's, oh, the campaign was broken, then now you can get mad at like the consultants, you can get mad at Joe Biden, which, you know, obviously we should be angry at Joe Biden because we should have had a fucking primary. But all of these things help be like, and that's why like,

dude, we're going to dust ourselves off because we still are hopeful that there could be free and fair elections in 2028. Okay. But on the off chance that there might be free and fair elections. And they're like on the positive America podcast, there's like gloating that she didn't lose as hard in swing states where like the vast majority of her advertising money was being spent. So they're like, so we were doing something right there. I've also seen like Democrats comparing it to 2004 and saying we lost badly at that time and then wanted to burn the boats and give up.

But Obama came in and like saved the party and like that's, we could, we could be in for a good thing in four years and just like not even know it. But I feel like an alternate read on that would be you fucked 2004 by killing off your first populist with like the Dean scream. You got someone who like as David Graber puts it with Obama that like gave the impression of populism in Obama without any of the policy to back it up, but just gave the vibes of hope and change and then killed the populist campaigns of Sanders twice. And instead of owning up to the fact that as the Republicans have embraced a horrific fascist version of populism, which seems to be what the

moment calls for instead of like a economic socialist version of it. They are just going to find silver linings in the 2024 campaign and like use them to pave a road to like Shapiro Buddha judge 2028. Right. You know? Yeah, for sure. And just, I don't know. Cause again, the lessons aren't being learned. If the lessons for like, just this is why I'm looking at it.

If the establishment is saying stuff like, there's a campaign was erected, they just found all messed up, dude. Like people didn't know what they were doing. That allows them to say, it's not the policies. It's not the policies. It's not what we stand for. It's not who we're aligned with. It's not that we need to upset the balance of power at all.

And I get that, that's a very tall order coming from a party who's so ingrained in what American politics is, but yeah, this is all just being like, no, no, it's not us, dude. It's fucking not us, man. It's fucking Joe Rogan, dude. Right, right, right. And it's a combination of those, and it is true that those things had an effect, but that gives people enough cover intellectually to avoid real accountability.

Yeah, I do foresee the, you know, Elon Musk used Starlink to hack the election theory like being popular online. Like I don't think this is going away because you know even though it's pretty stupid like it's not you know when you actually ask people how campaigns are run they're like yeah just just because Starlink gave internet to Yeah, just because Starlink gave internet to a place where polling happened. It's not a movie in the early aughts where they're just like rewrite those votes. That's not how anything works. Unless it is, you know?

Unless it is. Yeah. I just feel like it's so good for both sides, right? Both sides in power. It's good for the fascists to have this sort of like theory spread because it muddies the waters with diarrhea. Like so that the next time they're going to claim it was stolen, it will seem a little less preposterous. And I mean, it's good for Elon Musk. Like I'm sure he'll probably say he did this behind the scenes because like, you know, is it.

I'm omnipotent. Look at right. Like Trump will feed it because it makes sense for the WWE character he's playing. But for the Democrats, it also helps them avoid accountability, I think with a big portion of the base. So yeah, I don't, I'm hoping it's not like the ultimate outcome from this of like how people are coping with us but I I do think it's gonna be popular and probably not be stomped down as Quickly as it probably should be. Yeah

We'll see Yeah doesn't help that like the guy who is the richest person in the world was openly like cheating on behalf of the Trump campaign with like giant novelty checks. Like that's right. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not saying there wasn't untoward shit happening. I just don't think it's the, it's the thing that these theories claim where he star LinkedIn

and reconfigured the votes. Yeah. Cause the other thing, a lot of people I've seen that there are a few accounts that like just blew up in the last week because of their constant sort of like pointing at like what Elon Musk may or may not have done. And they're like, no, the thing that happened is it basically kneecapped Harris votes. It didn't add votes to Trump. It took away votes from Harris. And yeah, look, if there's a forensic analysis that begins to show those things, then so be it. But I think right now,

it's just, everything is just so disorienting that I think from everything across the spectrum, people are trying to figure out a way to explain this in a like in a way that makes things feel better rather than like there's things are going to change pretty drastically. And I think that's really difficult to kind of wrap our heads around. Yeah, for me, like is like truly understanding that this is this is going to be very, very different than anything we've ever seen in this country. Yeah, it's gonna be really bad. Another way people are coping is like hitting up

John Hinckley Jr. There's been a lot of, I've seen a lot of, wow, I wonder if, it'd be really cool if someone wanted to impress a young Jodie Foster type of tweets and shit going off. Dude, the guy just had Jersey M mics, you know what I mean? He's having Jersey mics, he's just doing his thing, man. Just leave him alone, he's saying.

Yeah, he tweeted, I'm a man of peace now! Please stop with all the negative comments! That sounds like he's like teasing, but no, he just wants to record his folk albums and paint pictures of his cat, which the pictures of his cat pretty good. Yeah, I'm not going to put them up in my house because I think that's weird. But not not bad. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about wicked tie in toys. talk about wicked tie-in toys.

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And let's talk about a new story that like could take place in any timeline. Not just this worst timeline. Yeah. An old-school jam an old-school jam for the kids out there at their roller skating parties So wicked is coming out. Yeah, this is being treated like a new avatar movie like in terms of the corporate tie-ins in terms of Like just I don't know. saw I said like I saw the There's a target ad where there was like assuming everybody's gonna be obsessed with wicked like during the World Series I was like wow, man. They're like they've gone big on wicked

I'm hoping for a lot of people that it does, you know, I'm sure I'm cheering for wicked But it I don't know, like straight up musicals have not, like musicals that have to admit that they're musicals haven't done that well lately. So I'm hoping for the sake of the city of Los Angeles and a bunch of very talented people that this knocks it out of the park and does great. But, I don't know. Yeah, and it's also had some weird, like the fans have been weird, because they're like, why can you see Cynthia Rivo's face? It's not like the Broadway poster.

There's also like some weird fan back and forth shit going off based on like what I've seen very casually. But just anecdotally around people who I know who are musical brained, they're like, yeah, I'm gonna go see it. But they also would be like, but here's the thing. Like they also have thoughts about like, this really should be maybe like, this is actually, they're going to have a second film, but like most of the good stuff is happening here. So I don't know what the second film is going to be or vice versa. I don't, I can't remember quite what that was. That's why I'm not

a reliable narrator on what exactly people are feeling about it. But that's that's what I've that's what I've been hearing with my ear to the street. But I mean, they're everywhere. They're about to be even more places. Their books, Lego sets, wicked branded mystery color mac and cheese at Walmart. When yeah, when the water is added, the macaroni is either revealed to be pink for Glinda or green for the Wicked Witch.

And there are no options where you just get mac and cheese that's not gross. Did you know what the Wicked Witch's name is? The Wicked Witch's name? Yeah, because we know Glinda. Yeah. But you know what the Wicked Witch's name is? Uh, not Linda? No. Glinda and Linda? But you know what the wicked witch's name is? Uh Not linda. No

Glinda and linda Oh wait good good witch good linda and just bad linda linda or blinda linda baby. No, it's elphaba I didn't even know that I was like, what the fuck Anyway, that's so you don't know if you're gonna get glinda or elphaba elphaba So you don't know if you're gonna get Glinda or Elphaba? Elphaba. Elphaba. Elphaba sounds like one of the demon names of like from like the Bible,

like Beez-A-Lob and like that shit. Right, right, right. I'm assuming those are in the Bible because they're hard to say. Anyways, there's also a Mattel Barbie size doll. Wait, I'm sorry, it just hit me. It's either gonna be pink or green? Yes. Oh, it just hit me. It's either gonna be pink or green. Yes. Oh fuck that. Yeah

Whoever wins we all lose. Yeah, holy shit. You're like, oh cool. It's Fucking green. What the fuck or pink to make it look like just so either way It's crap. I'll make that shit with with like Valentine's Day macaroni and cheese one time and it was pink and it just, I don't know. And they also, I think added sweetness to it. Oh fuck no. Yeah.

But I don't know. I don't know. This is, this is just like great value mac and cheese. Uh, it looks like shit from the outside. Move on to something I will buy. Like a, like a doll. Like a Barbie doll. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, they have Mattel Barbie size dolls which Some fans recently noted contain a link to a porno movie site on the box Boy, the URL on the box is wicked comm but the movie's website is actually wicked movie comm because wicked comm Leads to the site for Wicked Pictures, which claims it was founded in 1993 and it was founded with a firm commitment to producing quality parody porn movies such as Black Widow XXX, which is not a collab between Black Widow and Vin Diesel's character from Triple X and Captain

Marvel Triple X so they like put a lot of thought into the naming. An Axl Braun parody. I don't know what that means. And also I didn't know according to their Wikipedia they were the only heterosexual pornographic studios between 2004 and 2021 to maintain a condoms only policy. Hey. Okay, shout out Kanoga Park. Welcome to the San Fernando Valley, baby. It's, yeah, Mattel said they're aware of the misprint and are taking action, but that's of course inspired people

to buy the toys up in case they're recalled and become collector's items, which I think they will be. This is a good investment, guys. Which is gonna be so weird, where it's like, oh yo, you know, it's different on the back of this box. It has a URL to go to a porn site. So I mean, I get that. That's a pretty huge fucking mistake when you're just,

this is on the lip packaging of children's toys. I mean, the only way to deal with this would be to buy the fucking URL from the porn company And just like let them you know, they probably tried right? You know what I mean? And and then they just fucked up so hard by making it like even more Urgent or wicked pictures is like yeah, bro. 300 million. Yeah, you know the URL. Well, yeah like at this point Yeah, no, but I'm saying even right, that I'd imagine for having a movie this big in your marketing, you're like, we got we hopefully we'd own wicked dot com. Yeah. And then when you go and you're like, oh, because that would be again,

you're probably looking like, wait, well, what is wicked dot com? You're like, fuck, dude, that's bad. We maybe we can buy that. And then they probably got, I don't know. I mean, if anyone has any insight to that, I'd imagine that's when you're like wicked pictures and you're like, well, well, well, I've been waiting for this day.

I just tried to see if they've made the purchase and when I go to wicked.com, access beyond this page is restricted to adults 18 plus only, uh, which I can't imagine is for the movie. Cause it's R rated. Yes. So, all right. Uh, and finally we have an announcement for the year end. Uh, you know, we do some year end episodes of the show.

We're going to try a new format this year where we're going to do either a list or like a tournament tournament might be. Yeah. So we're going to do either a list or like a tournament. It's a tournament. Yeah, so we're going to do a top stories, top story tournament. And we want to solicit suggestions from you guys because we've got a few spots left. Yep. But we're going to give you the list of our top stories of the year 2024 in advance. But think of it like this, right?

It's gonna be a bracket where they're gonna be seeded and we're gonna have to debate which was a more consequential story. Obviously the election is the most consequential story of the year. And to have a nice pleasant experience talking about everything that happened, we're gonna avoid getting too into the weeds

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You got your hidey bear. You got your brain worm. JD Vance catch fucking. And then of course, and this one's going to be tough to knock off in terms of just impact on the zeitgeist on this show. The food and wine AI article, just AI slop showing up in our stories and just that, that paragraph. Yep. So that's where we're at right now.

You know, it's not a finished list. It's not a final list, but we're curious to hear what some of your favorite stories that are just fun and most importantly, more consequential than the election. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Fake Bridgerton, obviously. So yeah, the only thing Paul Walker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At one of us, DM us, whatever, get your suggestions in, hit us in the discord and yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll put put some of those in there and also for those of y'all listening Also, just want to let you know the YouTube channel is live for you channels live one video a week

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