The Daily Zeitgeist - A Sour Patch Kids Fast Food Invention, The Great Doubling Down Begins 07.06.22

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 244, episode two of the Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. My six-year-old is home today and has become curious about what I do for a living, so he might pop his head in here. He was like, co-host, like you unmute people on Zoom? I was like, yeah, basically like that. But it is Wednesday, July 6, 2022.

My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Jack Baby. Baja blast the train. Drink spark from 9 to 5. And then Bajaast to the dome again to find Code Red waiting for him. That is courtesy of Lex Lugie. A little Mountain Dew flavor for you. Also, soft launching my nickname Jack Baby.

And I'm thrilled to be joined by today's special guest co-host, an award-winning podcast host, writer, producer, actor, voice artist, one of my favorite singers. It's Shaquise Neal. Looking back, you can squash your fears. I guess I'm guesting again. I told myself time and time again, it's Zeitgeist for the win. And so I think I better let you know. Looks like another jockey show. I said, I think you better let you know.

Let you know. Let you know. Let you know. It looks like another jockey's new show. Oh, what up, niggas? How we doing? We are back, we are back Yes, it is, oh, it is the day after July 4th Which is a day that we don't care about in these parts, baby

Yeah, although half of the world does seem to be taking off both days Which is interesting Don't care about any of these parts, baby. Yeah. Although half of the world does seem to be, like, taking off both days, which is interesting. Taking off today, too? Yeah. I've gotten, like, some bounce back emails, mostly from the publishing world, which. I love it. I've always envied their work schedule. Listen, if people are going to take two days off for July 4th, I think we should

start taking three days off for Juneteenth. Only black people, though. Everybody else should work. I think we should take all the teens off. I think we should take the 13th to the 19th. I'm down with that, man. Friday the 13th, take it off. We are

thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hilarious writer actor filmmaker comedian goth prince who is one of the hosts thank you for getting my credit the dark weave it's the brilliant and talented brody reed hello hello n words how are you yes feel comfortable feel comfortable nothing much i also celebrated july 4th by staying inside and not looking at a single firework. I am not going to bask in the glow of any bombs bursting in air this fucking year.

That's for sure. I just only clap for the regular gunshots in my neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah. Woo. Yes. That's what I took. Myces in town and i i took her to not i'm radicalizing her already i was like okay seeing fireworks we just go and listen to

gunshots baby my god the the fireworks though like just intense all night there was some wild yeah there was some that seemed like they were targeting my house maybe i don't know that makes sense yeah that's a coordinated effort but it's lawless man people are i woke up with the weather and you know people uh showing the air quality and it's like bad the air quality is bad in los angeles we kind of went overboard last night yeah i canceled my skydiving uh lesson today because i wasn't gonna deal with it you know what i mean yeah i'll tell you what though i'll tell you what though my cousin lives in new york she lives in the bronx in new york and she lives like in a high rise like she got beautiful views of the city like

one of the top floors and she was taking videos on her instagram of fireworks just popping up in the middle of city ass block like people was popping up fireworks in the middle of city blocks at least in la we doing it in neighborhoods and shit these motherfuckers was downtown bronx popping up fireworks i was like no chill in new york so it's all over the place man it's all over the place yeah i wish we could just give up the independence part like no one i don't think anyone is celebrating america not that i know but if you want to celebrate just blowing shit up once a year just be honest about it you know what i mean yeah Hot dogs and fireworks. That's all it has to be. Yeah. The, the fireworks, I did take my kids to a firework display and they were bored so quickly.

Like they were, they were like, so is this the finale? They first, like, you know, they, they just kept asking if it was the finale and then, you know, but they but they were not frightened which i you know used to be when i was a kid so that's also a concern they're desensitized yeah yeah exactly well you got to keep your head on a swivel out there we're in america yeah i mean unless it's disney fireworks or some shit like most fireworks are boring for kids because unless they're to music or something. Yeah, exactly.

If you're just in a neighborhood, it's just like, okay, I guess we're looking at this street and this direction for these wild-ass neighbors. Let's see how much shit they bought. Yeah. The drive back from the fireworks was the best part because then you're just driving like a firework alley of just like explosions going off everywhere way too low you know backyard backyard displays that are like oh i said that could have cracked my window if if i was like in the left lane but anyways we're

going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment brody first we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about it seems like a lot of america is coming to the conclusion that like the i don't know there's like an existential crisis politically where people are like why do you as the two major parties in America, exist if you don't actually help people? And the answer that like I've just been morbidly curious and like watching the mainstream media to see how they deal. And they are going hard in the moderate Democrat direction. hard in the moderate Democrat direction. Like the New York Times magazine had a cover story about how moderate Democrats are really the iconoclastic outsiders of politics. And Mitt Romney had like an op-ed where he was like, we got our head in the sand

and we need to come together in the center. And everybody was covering the hell out of that. You know, as, you know, the weekend brought video of Akron police shooting Jalen Walker to death, a mass shooting at a 4th of July parade where people are just like, it seemed like they were just choosing people fucking at random like i don't know like it it feels like america has entered the terrorism phase of like the american system is oh yeah you know fucking terrorizing people and then their answer is moderates what if we went back to clinton clintonian politics uh that that's a like i have i have some wild quotes from that new york times magazine article so What if we went back to Clinton Clintonian politics? That's it. Like I have some wild quotes from that New York Times Magazine article. So we'll talk about that. We're going to talk about the latest kind of viral obsession.

Sour Patch Kid slushy from Sonic. Sorry, Sour Patch Kid slush. Chiquisa's face when you said that. Oh, yeah. That just sounds terrible. It is. Are you not are you not sour patch kid or no i love i love so i love sour patch kids now but look man the older i get the more i'm like that's too much sugar man yeah it seems the more we become our parents man that's

too much sugar that's too much sugar for kids or anybody. It does feel like this is like the pop cultural like content that is devoid of like any political implications that people can just, you know, everybody can distract themselves with. But this seems like a bad one just based on the reviews. Anyways, all of that, plenty more. But first, Brody, we do like to ask our guests what is something from your search history i have never seen the movie the bodyguard which is my own fault because i grew up in a black woman's house but i someone recently told me that winnie houston holds a katana in that movie and i had to immediately google it and i was not disappointed a little disappointed because i wanted to see her really really going at it you wanted to see her fucking

swing it yeah whacking some bamboo or anything but it's just the scene where kevin cosner lets her hold a katana and then he like throws like a silk sheet over it and then it like slices without her like doing anything and that was just really badass so you heard it here winning houston ninja that's relevant to my interests how is that not like the most memed like gif like that exactly usher gif the watch this gif is everywhere what about this yeah we live in a world of so much uh fan art where people are like making all the naruto characters black or something like that so i think it's time we got some whitney houston holding a katana fan art and if anyone is listening and you got the artistic

capacity tweet at me i'll i'll bam you 50 bucks i don't care i miss what i miss when like i miss when like the biggest stars yeah like also acted and and did well like i feel like this new crop of stars we have uh now probably like lady gaga is the last one uh and like there's more coming but who are like i'm not saying like the stars aren't acting but like we Houston was okay as an actress I mean yeah a fun fact a lot of people don't know that well maybe some people do know this but she was originally cast as one of the daughters on the Cosby show or some shit I think oh that's wow so yeah and like then she turned it down and went to music instead which was you know a good idea but yeah man I miss wait are we talking about lady gaga i was like no no

whitney houston whitney houston sorry lady gaga was lady gaga was gonna be what lady gaga was gonna be claire and cliff okay no she was gonna be on the cosmic show she was gonna be their white daughter yeah uh she was also a infant uh but no it's just like i think that's dope and now and i mean like not just actors who singers who act but like the top of the echelon like now we have beyonce and i'm sorry yeah beehive but beyonce is a terrible fucking actress listen it's it's been like it's been over 10 years since gold member i'm sure she's got some lessons down. I don't know, man. Dream Girls came out to Goldmember.

We got Hayley in Little Mermaid. Okay, there we go. We'll see what's up. We'll see what's up. Rihanna was very good in everything she was in. She was just in bad movies. And then she was like, I just choose like bad movies and then i guess like i just choose not to be a great actor yeah basically yeah it was in battleships battleship that was like

she was like a great part of battleship but of course nobody fucking saw that no i didn't see that yeah like let's let's get these let's get some of these singers, like, lead roles and see what they can. And, like, cheesy rom-coms. Like, remember The Preacher's Wife with Denzel and Whitney? Yes. Terrible movie, but also very fun. It was so fun. Loved it.

What is something you think is overrated, Brody? Okay. Before you guys. Okay. Let's hear me out. out i'm gonna hear you out armpit hair and before you react not overrated not just women it's overrated on everyone yeah and i'm not just talking about a little bit arm hit hair okay right we all got it yeah when i'm talking if someone is wearing like um you, they got suns out, guns

out, they run a tank and they got like six inches on them. Yeah. Are you making a political statement? Probably. Like, are you going to braid it? Are you trying to impress like an art student or something like that?

It's just like, if I saw someone who like didn't like clip their nails and they had like six six inches of like fingernails i'd be like what's going on right i want to agree with i i agree with you so hard and i'm glad you said it because now I can finally speak my truth. So thank you so much. Here it is. Here it is. Armpit hair is fucking nasty on everybody. On everybody.

And like, I'll never, I'll never, ever tell. Because I know like you here too do say that. And automatically the thought process is process is oh you talking about women who have armpit hair right and i'm just like yo look i'm willing to say instead of like everybody just being comfortable with their body hair let's get men to say no we're gonna go ahead and shave our armpit hair like let's do that let's, everybody shave your armpit hair. Let that be the default. Like let's all be fucking wrestlers where they have just no armpit. And it's great.

It's great. I mean, honestly, at the end of the day, people can do whatever they want. I am famously pro white dreads. Oh damn Brody. I think anyone of any race can be a gutter punk.

Whatever, get it. But I just don't get what it adds. You know what I mean? It's just like if someone gives you a soup with like a basil leaf on it, you're not supposed to eat the basil leaf. But if someone gives you like a soup with like a handful of basil leaves on there, it's just like, what exactly are you doing? Anyway, that's just a little you man yeah i get you it's overrated for sure and again like you said any hair you want to have is cool with me you're still a beautiful sexy beast and i love it it's great it's just you know you welcome you welcome it's just you know i i'm here for the push of instead of like yo let's all

be okay with our body hair our armpit hair more specifically not body hair armpit hair i'm saying let's just all cut our our armpit hair let's all be naked under our arms and like let's all just have a moderate amount let's all let's all just trim let's meet in the center your centrist on this i'm a leftist so what would i be considered on this would this be considered a conservative right this would be conservative and jack loves it so he's leftist he wants all he wants all the bushes under the arms yeah i have a crew t on and you can as you guys can see like the my hair is coming down to it's coming down yeah i do have a crew tee on and you can, as you guys can see, like my hair is coming down to those. I do have it braided. Yeah, it just feels like when you see people who have those handlebar massages that they're like trying to win like a contest every year and they like grow out real big.

That's almost what it is to me. But Hey, at the same time, listen, I'm not going to come to Portland and tell you how to grow your hair. It's all good. It's all good. So you, I assume you've had both, you've both had armpit hair and not like, is there a comparison? I've never, I've never had it. I've lasered it off. I've never shaved. And I'm like, I am curious about the comfort of it all. like very fucking smooth like i didn't know that hair i don't have like leg hair and shit like i don't have that much hair in general so even my armpit hair is very like scarce the only reason i'm not cutting it is just because it's itchy as shit and i don't want to go through the learning curve but if as a society we say this is what we doing i'll jump on that sword and i'll also join everybody in their bald underarm hair but

until then now i won't let i won't let my shit out though i just can't i don't think my mind can physically grow more than like an inch and i see some people where i'm just like man you're in you're in the guinness books and we're all acting like it's normal and that, right. Hey, whatever. You're right. You're right. Like people who, if they shaved would have to shave like twice a day. If you got to the point where you have to comb it, I'm just like,

okay, what is, what exactly is going on? If you, if you can pick your armpit hair out, then you're putting a new rag on there. What is something you think is underrated? Something I've been getting into recently

and I've been resisting of it. I'm the kind of person who doesn't like to go to the grocery store. I'm an introvert. Sometimes I get social anxiety. Then when I get to that last day where I'm just like, fuck, I don't have any good

groceries. All I got is a packet of rice. I can't just eat a pack of rice all day. I like gotta go. I was always kind of resistant of like getting groceries delivered to you. And I know this is like, not like a new take, especially like post pandemic or anything like that. But it's nice every once in a while just to get someone to go to the store for you and you tip them you know what i mean i'm improving somebody's livelihood and i don't have to fucking go to ralph's and wear my mask um for a second but at the same time i don't know if you guys have done any of these like delivery things but you you'll you'll like uh you'll put

stuff in your cart and then they'll say, if, uh, we can't find it, we'll get you something similar. And then they'll, then they'll like bring you shit. And I'm just like, okay, you definitely could have found the thing that you gave me a replacement for. I asked for, uh, you know, a 12 pack of Canada to dry and you're and you're bringing me back swaps right right yeah or not even sometimes they'll be like well Sprite to do they both green cans I just have fucking food to let now food delivery is is I I just got some groceries delivered this morning um as well and I still go to the grocery store but every blue moon i'll get it especially if there's a promo code or something like that where i can get free delivery and i'm

not even on my promo code game i need to i'm on my promo code game baby i need to do that i'll be searching for i'll be searching for promo codes i'll try about four or five of them too before i be like all right i guess i'm gonna work i guess ain't none of them going to work. I guess ain't none of them going to work. But yo, here's the play, though. Here's the play. Just go in and tell them. You can go in the app and say, if you can't find this, don't give me a goddamn substitution. Just refund my money. That's what I do because they be giving you the wildest substitutions.

Like I eat keto. I do keto mostly. And so sometimes I'll get like keto centric things and then they won't have it yeah i'm a keto centrist that's why i'm in the center of is glad we can all agree centerism is the is the way yeah it's the way it's the way but you ask for like you know like oh give me some almond flour and then they'll have almond flour and then bring you back a loaf of bread instead like what the fuck is this i can't do nothing with this yeah that's funny so yeah i yeah i like this is a part of me that's broken that i've like kind of come to terms with i think i like there's this book uh white no like

don delillo white noise where like they talk about like the the guy is like dealing with his fear of death just generally like the like he is stalked by his fear of death one of the things yeah i'm completely fearless around death and like a complete might as well have a military medallion. I'm so brave. But he like one of the things he does is like goes to a grocery store with his family and is just like calmed by the like colors and all the like choices and just like the excess of it all. I think I have that sickness because I do the grocery shopping for my family on purpose because I like to just go turn my brain off and just bask in the horror of Americans. That's the closest thing we get to hunting. Right, exactly. You're providing for your family.

But I understand that. It makes more sense to me that somebody would be like, anything to avoid Ralphs. Yes. I am not that way for some reason. Anyways, let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about the great doubling down on the status quo. Yes, please.

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And we're back. And like we said up top, everybody seems to be coming to the same conclusion that America is currently having an existential crisis like in in as far as its political systems go the american people seem to be asking like why do these parties exist like on the one side it's like mega people being like they why won't they agree with trump but i think the majority is people being like, hey, we voted for Democrats. We've voted for Democrats like in in the majority eight of the last nine elections. But it does feel like there is a paralysis that is happening with this party.

Like what what else can we do here? happening with this party like what what else can we do here and the answer that the new york times seems to have come up with is like just doubling down like the blaming extreme leftist politics it's it's fine it was like a truly baffling story yeah the new york times is i think we can all consider the new york Times to be a conservative rag at this point. Like, it seems like every week they got some new shit. Everyone's getting mad about in their opinion section or or elsewhere. It's they're just all about the status quo. Yeah, it's not a surprise.

I yeah, no, I I agree with that 100% that they are. I would even take it, I don't really think there isn't an extreme left because the only extreme left there is, is people on the quote unquote extreme left just sometimes are equally as fucking annoying as people like for different fucking reasons uh you know it's very much because you know white people have gotten a hold of woke ism and their only way to do anything is to say my way or the highway type shit which you know i i get that uh but i would prefer the new york times to be about as conservative as it gets. So they were open about it. Yeah. Well, not, I'm just saying, like, if that, I want to live in a world where that is, the New York Times, what they represent is the extreme right.

Because right of that is even worse. Yeah, no, it is even worse right yeah and i you know that's what we're you know because i i you know everybody love i want progressive i want to be a i'm in a progressive thing and everything like that but i'm not a thing or i'm in a progressive thing but i'm not fucking i'm not like dumb and think like the right is gonna go away forever like that's just not a realistic thought right no but if we can eradicate what is seemingly taken over and ruling our country apparently with an iron clan fist with this which is the extreme right then i'm all for that i don't

know how we get there, but it's... I don't want to go off on a tangent or anything. I had this viral thread about a week ago. That's your famous catchphrase, by the way. I don't want to go off on a tangent. Thank you so much. I don't want to go off on a tangent. But I had a viral thread a week ago.

I wanted to make sure that people caught the trademark, the implications of the trademark in there, as you said it. Thank you so much. Go back and let us do the other DZs where i guess on you can there's always a point um and you can drink if you if you hear me say that but um i was watching this uh this um video by this economist who is also this historian and he was talking about what happens to these empires who are on the top historically you know before we were like the country with the reserve currency,

which is the most internationally strong currency in the world, which people trade off. And because of that, they tend to lend us money, and we get to kind of determine the policies for a lot of the rest of the world. Before us, it was the British. Before the British, it was the French. Before the French, it was the Dutch. And we forget about the Dutch, but the Dutch invented ships, and they invented capitalism, and they invented

the stock market. And we've seen all of these empires who were on the top at one point kind of go through these periods where they were at the top, and those periods lasted for like 100, 150 years. And if you look at it historically from even before the Dutch, where it was like the Spanish and like the Portuguese, like we've kind of reached that point where economically, our leaders are just borrowing a lot of money.

Rich people, I mean, the divide between the poor and rich has increased. Rich people are playing the stock market. You see them investing in things like gold and stuff because they think that the market's going to tank because they borrowed money and all this stuff. It's just like, on a larger scale it it seems like america's dying i think we're all in this kind of like weird existential crisis but at the same time i think we're just gonna have to get used to not being the world's biggest superpower and we're just gonna

have to focus on like making our lives better, like the rights that we fight for are important. Yeah. It's, it's not just voting that we have to do. It's like, we actually do have to demand change from our leaders who are ineffective and they're ineffective for a reason. It's by design,

you know? Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, the center is just not it anymore. No. Yeah. Like the center isn't in anymore because like i said like the center

almost has to become what we need to be just the right and yeah and and you know it is right because or else i don't think like because you can't be just you can't it the extreme to the right of the center is too extreme right so any any movement toward that direction uh the status quo is why we have led to the extreme right status quo we not codifying and doing things and being like oh it's okay is what is allowed people who for instance have wanted to control and take away women's rights and women's reproductive rights and and all the things we see kind of going away because the inaction of the center is what's allowed them to just kind of keep operating kind of in the shadows and now they're

operating in the fucking light right exactly yeah i remember growing up and thinking like i can't imagine people being like openly bigoted as they were like you know when we see black and white videos of like the civil rights movement i couldn't really picture it and now it's it's it's like commonplace it's commonplace it's it's it's it's people who are younger than me as well too which is a really surprising thing yeah it's it's it's it's nuts and honestly it's it's all from like 4chan and stuff it's all this stuff i'm very familiar with and i think but i think there's also a something happening where there is desperation among people who are coming to this conclusion that we have a political system that only serves corporations and the police essentially at this

point and yeah that you know that like so so there's anger and discomfort and the way that people deal with that is like looking for something outside of the status quo and the mainstream that is currently ignoring them. And the, you know, theacist violent ideology but it's also it's there and constant the left seems to be like struggling as of now to like fully put something together that is like consistent and coherent like you know we had for a while with sanders yeah i think part of it is because the left by design is diverse and egalitarian and we consist of a lot of different people from a lot of different backgrounds and the right and i feel like we see this over and over in history it's like they value a specific type of lifestyle, which is this white American way, Christian identity that they rally around

and push and try to gather people in. And that's how fascism happens. You wrap people around one identity and then you blame all their problems on other people. And then they stockpile a bunch of guns so yeah it's kind of a scary place to be in but like at the same time when we when we push democrats and be like we need to push gun reform right now we need to codify roe and wade right now like the situation is more desperate than it ever has. I mean, last week we saw the Supreme Court just push through a bunch of shit. We saw them push through.

They got rid of some coal regulations for coal mining and stuff like that. It just seems like they're doing every evil thing in the playlist as fast as possible. And it's a really pivotal year. Yeah. Yeah, the New York Times Magazine article. possible and it's a really pivotal year it yeah it's time yeah the new york times magazine article like it so they start out and they're like you know some fiscal policies like medicare for all or medicaid for all and uh raising the minimum wage are popular but then it just like completely drops it but it's like but a lot of the stuff that democrats believe in are not. And it doesn't talk about abortion rights. It doesn't talk about having a solution to climate change in place that we're all working towards. It just completely accepts the right-wing characterization of Democrats and is just like, that's a political winner. It's a loser for us. And it's just so laser focused. It's one of these stories that has kind of a protagonist or a couple of protagonists and it portrays them as these iconoclastic outsiders of politics.

And they are like middle of the road Clintonian people. At one point, the guy brings, he's like a New Jersey representative, he brings a video to Nancy Pelosi. It is a 1996 Bill Clinton campaign ad that brags about welfare reform, work requirements, taxes cut, death penalty for drug kingpins. Like that's what it says it did clinton did in

the first administration ban cop killer bullets capital gains tax cut for homeowners balance the budget for a growing economy and like that so that that's like clinton doubling down on means testing the war on drugs uh weaponizing a plot line from Lethal Weapon 3, I think. Like, the cop killers thing was just like a meme. Like, I don't know that that was necessarily even like a real story, but to give, basically giving police more opportunity to claim they're brave and under constant threat.

It is an amazing time capsule that by all rights should be brought forth and be like, do you fucking believe this was only 26 years ago? But instead he's like, Nancy, this is how we win. This is how we do it. And it's just, I don't know. The New York Times Magazine just takes them at their word. Yeah.

It seems like we, I know like some to some people, it seems like we've reached a tipping point. As a black man in America. Me too. I don't think exactly. I'm here to tell you, we have not. Right. We still have much more to tip to go before we reach that tipping point. And there are going to

be certain people that are going to the scales are tipping but we haven't reached the tipping point yet like there are still things they are coming for before we quote reach our tipping point where like some people on the left and especially in those center left moderate people are eventually going to say we can no longer i hope we can no longer allow for our need for status quo to be our guiding light right because to some people like for instance you know i've heard the argument and and look i don't agree or disagree with this but i've heard the argument i mean i guess don't agree or disagree with this, but I've heard the argument. I mean, I guess I can disagree or agree, but I hear I hear the merits of this argument where, all right, let's say Hillary was elected. Right. You know, Trump put three justices on, you know, in the court and Hillary would not have. Right. So we probably would not be here. I don't think that's an unfair statement to say. Right. And what the Clinton with Hillary stood for was the status quo.

So so the argument that some people making is, man, status quo looks pretty damn good right now. If status quo still means, you know, women can get abortions without fucking going to jail or dying or making a choice between death or jail. Right. And to that, I say, I get that. I hear that. I hear the merits of that. But eventually, when you keep having status quo, you keep tipping the scales toward the opposite direction. And eventually we get to this tipping point or to a tipping point which is where we are fucking headed and unfortunately nobody wants to get to a tipping point because that means we have lost a lot in order for people to finally wake the fuck up and but it seems like that's where we're going i don't know yeah a lot of people think that the status quo is synonymous with stability because, you know, we've we've vaguely been a certain way as a society since World War Two.

But like it's not sustainability. It's still the slow creep of capitalism towards the right. towards the right. I think one thing that people kind of don't really recognize is that even though Trump was an accelerant, he wasn't really special. He didn't really do anything that unique. He just kind of did whatever his, um, the Republicans who were patting on him on the back told him to do like, this is still kind of just textbook war on poverty type shit um it's all just a natural creep and everything from the persecution of trans people right now to digging on native pipelines and stuff it's it's all connected to the same kind of rhetoric where we're trying to put the onus of America being a stronger country on everyday people when really it's the people who actually have power sucking resources away from us. And then eventually they're going to abandon us

and go to some other countries for the money. In many ways. Yeah, to the point, which I think is an argument I've heard recently and seen from people being like, anybody who was a big Bernie supporter or didn't vote for Clinton should be supporter or like didn't vote for clinton like should be ashamed and totally get that sentiment at the same time i like i think there is a world where you look at the fact that hillary clinton who is the most like representative of this centrist democratic like position and the status quo that you could possibly find like in the world you could possibly find lost to donald trump in the election like that that should have signaled okay and then meanwhile there was this movement to the left that we had to actively like we being

the democratic party had to actively suppress in order to get Clinton like even into the election in the first place. So maybe we learn a lesson from that and learn that that there's a bunch of energy there, because I think that's the thing that people are leaving out of the equation is that the reality is that the Democratic Party is in trouble because they got elected and couldn't do any of the things they claim they could because they are are beholden not to people so much as like corporations and yeah so and the country is in trouble because the other option is going to probably be trump like it as much as people were like using wishful thinking and being like ah well that'll that'll put the final nail in the coffin like that's not true that he's about to announce

his campaign anybody who goes up against him in the campaign is probably going to get beat up pretty bad but you're ron desantis i i was hoping that maybe like the republicans would just prevent trump from being the nominee but they've they've tried that before and it's and they did they actively tried that they couldn't do it before now that like half the party is in his thrall like that's probably not going to happen oh yeah they love him they'll he He does whatever they want, essentially. They've gotten a lot of state power through Trump. We talk about the Supreme Court a lot, but so much shit happens through state courts as well, too. A lot of it. And that's where they've stolen a lot of power. That's where they've gerrymandered a lot. they've gerrymandered a lot. Yeah. I don't know.

I also want to challenge the narrative that Bernie supporters didn't vote for Clinton. I feel like I want to challenge that every time it comes up because we absolutely did. It was like 80% of Bernie supporters. It's statistically wrong to say that we didn't because when you look at Hillaryary voters who uh went out for obama they're less than uh bernie spurs went for clinton right and it's when i see people still talking

about that rhetoric like is like especially after uh roe v wade got shot down i saw a lot of people tweeting that and it's just like first of all this is the same thing as like yelling at Susan Sarandon. She didn't she didn't do anything. She's just one person. She's one scapegoat. Who cares? Right. Yeah.

No, I think I think it I think is unfair to say Bernie supporters are the reason that Hillary didn't didn't get it. I do think and I understand apathy toward our political system and yeah and does my vote matter and i do think like brody you brought up a great point uh trump was not the the person to start a lot you know trump didn't start the birthing movement a lot of racist people in the backwoods of this country were saying that shit before trump gave them a blow horn or a blow horn to like say it out loud you know what i'm saying he just picked up on that was like oh i can get some support from this and shit blah blah blah right and so i think where the the anger comes from from for instance the folks who was like i'm not gonna vote because i can't vote for the lesser of

two evils not the not the not bernie supporters but the people was like i'm not participating in this shit right i think where the anger comes from is we saw the accelerant coming you know like you saw that we we saw that if this dude gets in office, the acceleration to where we don't want to go is going to come a lot fucking quicker than any of us probably think. And we saw that it did, right, in many ways. So I do think it is. I think this notion that Bernie supporters are the reason we're here now, if they would have just voted for Clinton, then we would be here. Well, like you said, they did. They did vote for Clinton. Yeah.

But, you know, there are people who can hold L's. There are people all over the place who can hold fucking L's. Yeah. It's just, you know, it's unfair. Pretty much any politician has a lot of L's. Yeah. Literally everyone. They do.

of else yeah literally everyone i do so the the other kind of centrist take that is getting more traction uh in less quote liberal mainstream media because it's coming from mitt romney he like wrote a opinion piece in the atlantic i think where he was like america is in denial and there's a bald eagle with a fucking blindfold as the main thing so you know we're in trouble but this was basically the the lead story on the drudge report over the weekend which is still like one of the most popular news sources uh you know it just links off to things and his point is basically we're in trouble because we're not treating any of our problems as real. The two main issues he comes back to are Trumpism and climate change, which absolutely like those are the those are the two issues.

And he's like the right is ignoring the poison of authoritarianism with Trump and the dangers of climate change. The left is ignoring illegal immigration and the national debt. And he's like, so we just need to meet in the middle and figure this out. I want to know what conservatives have ever done for the national debt. Increase it. Exactly. Like there are, you know, like, you know, know jack i know you're a sports fan brody i'm not sure how much into sports you are we've talked about it sometimes but like there's a such thing it's just like you know analytics right but then there's also just like basic fucking stats and the basic fucking stats just show you that the Republican Party has never been good for the economy.

Yeah. Ever. Ever. Those are just basic. You don't even have to dig deep. Just because you like money doesn't mean you're good for the economy. Yeah. Just the basic stats show that.

And it's remarkable that people, especially people who are sports fans, which most Republicans are, they'll talk you to you blew in the face about football stats and all these other stats. And then you throw them stats and be like, nah, man, that ain't right. Like, all right, bro. I mean, yeah, to be fair, I could say a lot about the Democratic Party that is similar the the democratic party in my eyes is is just republican party light i mean like if if you want to vote for a party that isn't going to increase the military budget or give money to cops like you just don't have an option right yeah that's yeah absolutely absolutely right so yeah and and and that's and that's what we call the analytic stats right there. Right. That's digging deeper. That's the deeper stats.

But that is that would be the point that this you could you could have published that that sentence and been done with it. And instead, they're like, why don't people like why are the middle of the road democrats disappearing their positions some of their positions are popular uh so why are they going extinct and just a bunch of photoshops or illustrations of like donkeys with a unicorn horn to like be like these are the magical fixers of our problem why are we ignoring it like that's which is a great burn honestly right it's so funny that like i i'm so leftist that sometimes when uh conservatives make fun of like democrats and liberals i'm like you're right oh yeah joe biden is sleepy for sure all right well let's take a quick break we'll come back back. We'll talk about something that I know at least Jaquese is excited about, the Sour Patch Kid slush float.

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the aftermath of the roe v way being overturned with a taste testing of various new forms of Mountain Dew Baja Blast just to, you know, keep myself from wanting to jump out a window. And it seems like there are like, we also talked about a cheesy gordita crunch, or no, it's a Mexican pizza tostada, a Taco Bell creation that has a giant Cheez-It in the middle of it. Oh, yeah. That everybody was going crazy about. It seems like there's a new one of these every week. I feel like it's...

By the way, I saw someone order that Cheez-It tostada without any toppings, and it was just a big Cheez-It. And then someone commented, like, this is like hamster appropriation or something like that. Go ahead. But yeah, so I mean, that is, by the way, worth the price of admission just to cheese it that big. Come on. But yeah, I feel like it gives us pop cultural content that is both self-hating in the sense that you're consuming this and slowly killing yourself.

And then also devoid of, it's not like a movie where Chris Pratt pops up and you're like, oh yeah, Chris Pratt. Yeah. So I don't know. This seems to be the latest one. It's a slushie. You can look at it if you just Google. If you use Google, it has little specks of Sour Patch Kids in it. Oh.

And then little specks of Sour Patch Kids, like, sprinkled over. Oh, yeah. So, it's Sour Patch Watermelon Flavored Slush with vanilla ice cream on top Jesus and then we really do have both sides panelists because I am a hundred percent about this yeah turn every candy into a bar or a freaking ice cream or drink it were a slurpee in this I love a slurpee i love a sour one i love a hey i get it it's not an everyday thing yeah yeah look you're right listen as a person who loves you know an oreo milkshake and stuff we we always gonna put stuff in stuff right yeah it is just the nature of how we create food and things i couldn't say it better

myself we're always gonna put we always gonna put stuff in stuff man you know we always gonna find a way to put something in something you know and fry it or or ice it or some way you know blend it together. It's fine. It's good. It's just at a certain point, like we need to just say, and this is for teenagers. This is what people still growing because this is where people, you know, or as a one-time treat, you try it out and then leave it behind you know what i'm saying like it's a reason why at 35 i don't do jaeger shots anymore but at 21 i did you know because i have grown my body can't take it anymore and things like this i do look i love new food inventions i love it the big ass cheese it give it to me like I probably won't eat it but I'm here for it because eventually like some of this shit is actually delicious man

and we deprive ourselves of delicious things sometimes but you know a sour patch kid is already sugary and sour enough yes and then to throw that bitch in the in the slurpee which is already sugary it's like which flavor of the sour patch we're talking because if you're just throwing them all in there you know what i mean that's the watermelon so the slurp is the watermelon watermelon is the watermelon sour patch so it is kids watermelon flavor slush real ice cream which i always find it suspicious when they put real next to ice cream oh this is ice cream yeah so there's so there's a slush with a vanilla ice cream topping okay and just like sour patch kids that have been put through a wood chipper like just all throughout the whole thing like i, I don't know why they had to

chop them into little pieces. Sour Patch Kids Candy Blitz, they call it, which just means that the slush is infused with Sour Patch Kids, and then there are some sprinkled Sour Patch Kids body parts, and then they're

sprinkled over the top of the vanilla ice cream. I have read two reviews of this. One is not great. It gives it 5 out of 10, but it still says it's smooth, which I think the vanilla ice cream is, I think they made this concoction, they tried it as a slush, and were like, holy shit, some of my hair just fell out. A lot of it actually just fell out.

And so Gawker, the new revival of Gawker, their journalists like went on a cross state hunt to find it and finally found it. But like the people wouldn't give them vanilla ice cream because they have the same ice cream soft serve machine issues that McDonald's has, I guess. So they like just gave them the slush and they were like it tasted like upsetting the taste is upsetting and too sour like it tastes like maybe some battery acid has been leaking into the batter and but the other middling review that i read was like it's nice and smooth the little texture the the little bits of sour patch kid are chewy which i find very suspicious both of them said that they're like they're not any so i don't really fuck with like gummy candy and ice cream because it gets too hard they have done something chemically to the body parts of these sour patch kids that like they don't

they don't get hard they're just still like gummy and and chewy uh which i find suspicious in the way i don't want my food to be suspicious both like impressive and like yeah i am introducing a chemical into my body that was not there before and there are a lot of chemicals in my body. Listen, the closest Sonics is 25 miles away. All of the Sonics have a 2 or 2.5 rating on y'all. Yeah. If I leave now, I could get there. You get there in about 55 minutes, you know? Yeah.

I've been, I go to that Cracker Barrel right next to it every once in a while. And I you know get a couple friends going get a couple friends going and go get go to you know the the only restaurant that racism feels right to black people i've never been to a cracker barrel but next time you go let me know for sure i'll let you oh i 100% let you know them pancakes pancakes and them biscuits, boy. Them dumplings. The food is fucking delicious. Good. It's the reason, you know, I mean, look, you know, we got black people in our, we black, we got black people in our families.

Listen. There's a few things that black folks like. As soon as you said biscuit, I was already on board. Don't even trip. You don't even trip. But I'm here for food shit. I still think the greatest creation, the last great creation that a company has ever made is the McGriddle.

That was the last great creation. Everything else has just been kind of like throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks and kind of mediocre. And it's some of the good, but nothing has hit. We got some good stuff. We got cereal bars. We got some good stuff. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. But nothing has hit quite like the McGriddle has to me. From a fast food joint, I should say. Not just like everything. Hey, man. I still get cheese in the crust from Pizza Hut. That's all I got to say. Wow.

I mean, listen. That was before the McGriddle, though. That's another stuffed crust. Yeah, it was. Like, we have... I'm waiting for the invention like that. The invention that's going to be so good that they don't even run commercials for them bitches

no more. What are your thoughts on Doritos Locos tacos? They're good. They're good, but you know, I've had better tacos. Listen, they got the Doritos. They got those taco shells at the grocery store

so you can make them at home on your own. I make them i make them with my impossible meat oh you do it's a great time sure do i actually didn't realize that so another uh plug for uh kroger brand stores go out and get it delivered get it delivered. Promo code. Easy. All right. Well, I will not be trying this. It sounds bad. So I think they couldn't get the slush to follow through on.

You know how Sour Patch Kids are sour and then they get sweet? And that's sort of the rhythm of eating Sour Patch Kids. They couldn't do that with the slush. So they were just like, throw some vanilla ice cream on top of that shit and that'll be the sweet but i don't know anyways brody as always truly a pleasure having you where can people find you follow you all that good stuff uh you can find me on twitter or instagram uh ayo bro bro you know me i'll be having like a viral thread probably once a week. Yeah, yeah. Stop following me on there.

That's an economist. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for having me, guys. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media that you've been enjoying? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of interesting tweets that I bookmarked. But at the end of the day, I just got to go with some stupid.

And one stupid thing I enjoy, is from like a couple weeks ago when people watch movies like on their laptop but they watch them through a snapchat filter on their phone and and someone took a made a tiktok they i'm not even sure what movie it is. It's an Al Pacino movie where he's interrogating someone. Oh, he's blind. I saw this. Yeah, and they put this Snapchat filter on where their eyes are bugging out and it's a serious scene where they're yelling at each

other. It's just so funny. I'm just going to... What do you guys say? Put it in the chat. you guys put it in the chat we will put it in the footnotes you got it it'll make you laugh I guarantee it Jaquese

where can people find you what is a work of social media that you've been enjoying you know you can always find me in the streets and at Jaquese Neil on instagram only uh i've you know i've been i've been i've been to join i got three for you they're very quick obviously it's hard to like because they're memes or they're videos uh so i'll just give them shout outs instead of reading the tweet

uh but there is one this one actually is a tweet and it is you know stranger things volume volume two is out which you know what no matter what you think about it me personally i thought volume two of season four was fucking dope i loved it but there is a tweet vechna every time he hears kate bush and it's him just it's the actor playing Vecna in the makeup chair just with his hands on his eyes just like sighing and like god damn it which if you don't watch Stranger Things that probably doesn't mean anything to you but if you do watch Stranger Things it is very fucking funny and then you know Tony Baker VO if you or just Tony Baker in general, one of the funniest dudes, and he does animal voiceovers, go check this shit out. They're always funny.

Some are just so great. But my favorite meme since the last time I've been on is just how black people start gossiping. And it is you got me on speaker or are you by yourself? That's funny.

Yeah. I have one more for you. You just reminded me. This is just like a short TikTok of, I don't know what, I don't know what this is. It seems like some kind of like black men's convention, but everyone in the video is dressed like they have a Steve Harvey suit on

and they're, and they're going around a circle and they're dancing to blow the whistle and they're all doing kind of like this step, but they're all adding their own flavor to it. And it's like a hundred black men all dressed like Steve Harvey. It's great. It changed my day. That's all. I love it. I love it. I'm looking at it now. It's very funny. Alright. You can find

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Due to the increase in gas prices, a man hanging from the passenger side of his best friend's ride is no longer a scrub. He is a man making smart financial decisions and I'm intrigued. And then Charles Mockler tweeted a picture of a vape store labeled what your mom calls you after she finds your weed. And the name of the store is Mr. Vape, Smoke and Bongs. Like that. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

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off. And then she quit the rap game because she was tired of performing for white people, both the executives and the on the label side and, you know, white fans shouting lyrics back to her that they probably shouldn't have been saying or definitely shouldn't have been saying. And so I really appreciate her independence and, and what she does. So this is a track called Diddy Bop, uh,

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It reminds me of summertime Chicago. And, uh, yeah, if you want that vibe, you can check that out in the footnotes. The dot all right well the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts my heart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast wherever you listen your favorite shows that's going to do it for us this morning but we are back this afternoon to tell

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