The Daily Zeitgeist - A Uniquely American Failure, Nirvana’s Naked Baby Problem 8.26.21

Episode Date: August 26, 2021

In episode 977, Jack and Miles are joined by White Homework's Tori Williams Douglass to discuss the mainstream media not knowing how to deal, Trump's border wall falling apart, the new vaccine pressure tactic, Erik Prince offering to fly people out of Afghanistan for too much money, the Nirvana Nevermind baby suing, and more!FOOTNOTES: More than 10,000 waiting to be evacuated at Kabul airport: US The narrative of America in retreat is false Texas to spend $25 million on 2-mile concrete barrier amid Gov. Greg Abbott’s push for a state-funded border wall Trump’s border wall reportedly in severe disrepair in Arizona Trump's Border Wall Torn Apart by Arizona Monsoon Rains Appeals Court Rules Trump's Border Wall Prototypes Can Skip Environmental Oversight Trump’s border wall, vulnerable to flash floods, needs large storm gates left open for months Monsoon flooding damages border wall gates in east Arizona A Texas Sheriff’s Grim Task: Finding Bodies as Migrant Deaths Surge Delta Air Lines is raising health insurance premiums for unvaccinated employees by $200 a month to cover higher Covid costs Erik Prince says he’s offering flights out of Afghanistan for $6,500 a person In Kabul, Private Rescue Efforts Grow Desperate as Time to Evacuate Afghans Runs Out NIRVANA, KURT COBAIN'S ESTATE BABY'S ALL GROWN UP, NOW HE'S SUING ... 'Nevermind' Art Exploited Me!!! Vampire Weekend Settle Lawsuit with ‘Contra’ Model LISTEN: Deb Never & Jim-E Stack - Sweet & Spice (Official Audio) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it's Thursday, August 26, 2021. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Jack O.B. T.D.Z. Jack O.B. T.D.Z. Jack O.B. T.D.Z. Jack O.B. hosts the T.D.Z. Jack O.B. hosts the T.D.Z. Jack will be host the TDZ Jack will be host the TDZ That is courtesy of Paul Garaventa and it is To the Tune of Dirty Deeds by ACDC

I kind of started in the middle there, didn't really know where I was in the chorus for most of that But I am thrilled to be joined by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! I'm a podcaster, looking at the zeitgeist, stories that know how to vibe, on Twitter and on Google, looking at the MAGA hats, takes me to my limits, y'all we approve pfizer i promise that you will want a vaccine if you're horny let's mountain do it talking that's zeitgeist okay shout out to mr bible pants on discord i also see you zeitgang and a k1 because i know you follow 420 Day Fiance too. Thank you for that wonderful genuine and genuine, aka. I don't know if they have a tap in my room or what because they just repeated a piece of pillow talk

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Are you horny? Let's mountain do it. Let's mountain do it. Whoa, where you going? Where you going? Huh? Okay, Sprite, what are you into? All right, just get me a Mexican pizza and just a soft taco supreme.

Yo, thanks to everyone who came out last night. We're actually recording this before the show, but I just want to issue a blanket apology for, you know, we didn't know it was going to go off the rails like that. We did not know that that material was flammable. I thought I was going to be able to hold it more than I was. So definitely embarrassing, but highly entertaining. You can see what went down. Again, I don't know what went down, but I'm assuming that it'll be complete chaos

because it is Mr chris crofton yeah it is there there's wardrobe there's uh there might be even stunts i think there is a stunt yeah and you can see it all go down with video on demand at momenthouse.com slash the daily zeitgeist that is momenthouse.com slash the daily zeitgeist. That is Momandhouse.com slash the Daily Zeitgeist. You can still watch the video on demand. And like we are, I just want to say like, if you like method acting, wait till you see method podcasting. Yeah. Because it's wild.

Yeah. It's wild. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined by the brilliant anti-racist educator, activist, writer, and creator of the acclaimed podcast, White Homework. If you're interested in creating a more just and equitable society, head over to her Patreon, subscribe to the podcast. We are thrilled and honored to be joined by a fan favorite, an us favorite, Tori Williams Douglass!

Oh my God, you guys are amazing are amazing thank you i'm so excited to see you again yeah it's been a while it's been such a long summer the chauvin verdict uh yeah yeah i was in minneapolis yeah i feel like that was yeah i was like wow what timing what's going on over there are you back in uh the the portland back in portland back in Portland yep trying to hold it down with all these cops and racists same difference

you can just say one yeah so it's been a very intense week for sure over here but I mean I love this town and the way that people It's been a very intense week for sure over here. But I mean, I just, yeah, I love this town and the way that people like come together and support one another. And yeah, so I'm really, I'm really proud of us, even though these folks come in from the suburbs to try to fuck everything up.

Right. Well, can you talk a little bit about what happened for people who haven't been following the story? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So on the 22nd, apparently this is like an annual, this has become like an annual thing now. So the Proud Boys, we're going to have this rally, protest, freedom of speech. Summer of love. We're in our feels. And then like, so then the mayor is like, oh, we're going to counter this with choose love. Right.

So then the mayor is like, oh, we're going to counter this with choose love. Right. And the police chief is like, well, we're not actually going to get between the two groups because there's always anti-fascist counter protesters when these guys like roll into town with their like MAGA flags and whatever. And so our police chief is like, we're not going to get in between. We're just going to tell everybody, like, keep their distance. And so why are you what are we paying you for exactly? Right. Oh,

well, the thing is I'm not going to be here cause I'm going to be at the rally on my off time. Yeah. Sorry. I already asked off. Yeah. We had a lot of people request time off, so we can't really,

you know, we don't have the manpower to really pull it down. Look, I have it in my schedule that I'm off this weekend every year because I have this commitment. It's just, yeah. Yeah yeah can't do anything about it so yeah the mayor who is just continually missing in action over here eddie yep ted wheeler he was like well we're gonna do choose love instead and so they're like put up all these signs that said choose love which i'm like that that's what you're that's that's the thing that you're doing right and they did a press conference and that

was kind of the thing right so then obviously it's like all these guys roll into town just like they said they were going to and then like ended up moving from like because they usually go downtown so they can harass as many people as possible, but they ended up moving to this like abandoned Kmart parking lot, which was pretty fucking hilarious. Um, and then like smoke bombing themselves, which was also hilarious. And yeah,

so they were, you know, there were definitely a lot of people who were there kind of like counter-protesting, which was really good. The shit that went down was that one of these motherfuckers decided to pull a gun and shoot at people so they actually arrested him which was i was kind of impressed like the bar

is so low i thought they were just gonna like let him bruise yeah so and it's i don't know i'm very fascinated by like the types of people who are drawn like to this type of event and then the types of people who feel compelled at these events like brandish a weapon and actually shoot at people like there's no one even around you why do you feel so threatened like this is yeah you're shooting at someone across the street what just go the other way bro like this is not complicated but yeah i don't know i think there's a lot of there's a lot of insecurity right now i feel among white men who find their entire identity in their american-ness they did not like that

census the census results you know so they're just like they're really in their feels they don't know how to process you know the whole toxic masculinity like my wife is the only my wife and jesus are the only people that keep me from murdering all of you that right that bullshit yeah so anyway um we are still attempting to hold it down despite our mayor yeah and all of these very insecure and proud boy pd in portland yeah proud boy the peeps i don't know somebody wrote it as pbs like proud boys Boys. And now I read it as the Peeves. If you only know Portland from Portlandia, it's you know, it's really been a I think unexpected for a lot of people. A hotspot for, you know, white supremacy and. But also but also but also anti-fascism.

Like, yeah, people don't know. You know, I was born and raised here. I've lived here most of my life. And yeah, I mean, there have been protests here forever. That's just what we do. Yeah. So it wasn't like this was a new thing, right? Like people were protesting the invasion of Afghanistan. Right.

Weekly here, right? Yeah. And that was 20 years ago. This is just like a thing that we do. So there is a really strong kind of anti-fascist presence here, which makes me really happy. And it makes me feel safer. Rather than like a town where like Proud Boys just roll through and people just say, what the fuck's going on here? Yeah, yeah.

They got the run of the streets. Yeah, that's a good point. The resistance probably draws attention to it as well. I think that's why it draws these people in too, because they know that they're going to get some kind of conflict, right? So they know that they're going to be able to try to like stir up people's emotions and like make them reactive. It's weird how those anti-fascists always seem to, in the long run,

be on the right side of history with that. They were protesting Afghanistan, huh? Who knew? Yeah, it's nuts. It's just, yeah, who would have thunk it? Where do they get their news, huh? I know. Exactly.

How'd they see that? Because on TV, I thought it was okay. Yeah. Huh? Also, the mainstream media account of what happened this weekend is definitely more, there are bad people on both sides. It's atrocious. They're trumping it.

Both sides are very responsible. These people are unfit to do anything called journalism. Yep. Oh, my God. Yeah. Well, speaking of that, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment, Tori. But first, we are going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We are talking about another way that the mainstream media has fallen down on the job in their coverage of Afghanistan and just that being a long-term trend. We're going to talk about Trump's border wall because it is literally falling apart.

We're going to talk about a new, like literally pieces of it, chunks of it are washing away. It looks as if there was like, it was a movie about the future in like 20, 2100 and Trump's walls is all like dilapidated. Like, no, this is fucking this week. Yeah. Yeah. By the rain. Yeah. It looks like it could have been in the last scene of Planet of the Apes movie, like where you show a thing from hundreds of years ago. We're going to talk about how Delta is handling getting unvaccinated people to consider vaccination,

aka anti-health. Somebody pointed out, don't call me anti-vax, call me anti-health, which is... Pro-disease, I think. Yeah. Pro-disease. Pro-death. There you go. Pro-death.

We're going to talk about, apparently, the Nevermind Baby is suing, and we'll talk about that, all of that, plenty more. But first, Tori, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Yes. So currently my search history is I've been trying to explain dual power to my friends, which is kind of hard. Like it's like, especially via text, right? If you're just like texting throughout the day, it's really kind of hard to, they're like, what are you, what are we doing now?

What's the plan here? So I'm like, I'm Googling like mutual aid and trying to come up with like all these resources to send to my friends because yeah, I'm like, okay, we gotta, we gotta get everybody on board with this that we can. Cause I have kids and they're, they're going to have to deal with this mess so I'm like let's let's let's let's get a move on people it's been we've waited a little too long so yeah now I'm what I do best is collecting people so that's what I'm doing right now all right describe dual power explain dual power in two sentences for us oh my god that is not possible I'm trying so hard to like figure out to figure out how do I like an arrow stand?

Yeah, which emoji? Do it and don't give like historical context about Bolsheviks. It's the recycle emoji. Bolsheviks, yes. No, so the idea is, you know, and it's something that I think a lot of us have been thinking, feeling, kind of processing, even if we're not talking about it. But the idea is that like, we have to take care of ourselves, right? Like no one is coming to save us. No one is coming to fix this. Like the people who are in power want to be in power. They don't care that the world burns down around them because they're still going to have AC and clean water and like their private jets and whatever. Right. so we have to be able to essentially like take care of

ourselves and i personally again like as a parent i'm i'm hopeful that this is something that we can kind of build out to the point where a general strike is sustainable right i don't see that happening for at least 10 years probably and again you're gonna have to take me back here what's a what's a general strike so it's like we're clearly all getting screwed by the system right like the overwhelming majority of us are getting screwed by capitalism and yeah so taking like taking our power back like how do we do that in this system like the one thing that we can do is we can not work with our labor we can withhold our labor um and so trying to organize that on like a broader scale maybe not necessarily a national scale but like getting like different parts of the country kind of organized and also figuring out like where

where the weak spots are like where the vulnerability is in the system right because you don't have to do necessarily a ton of work to kind of bring a crisis, right? To bring these people to the table to say, hey, look, this is not working for us. It's only working for you. Like, this is not okay. That's at the end, right? So we need to be able to like, get to a place where we can leverage that. And I think like some of that is, at least some of it is going to look like, yeah, withholding our labor from the system. And so in order to do that, we have to be able to meet people's needs in the meantime. Right. You know, I think about the Montgomery bus boycott, honestly, because there was this whole, there was this whole planning session, right? I think it took them over a year to plan it. And they had to coordinate because people were not using the

buses. So it was like, we have to figure out carpooling, right? We have to figure out like, how are people, like, are people willing to walk? Do you have another form of transportation? Like, how do we organize all of this so that, you know, people aren't getting left in the dust, but none of us are using the bus, right? And so, and that was a really, they chose, they chose the buses because they knew that they could make that work. Right. That was the spot that they chose to put pressure on because they knew that that was a weak spot in the system. And it worked, you know.

But there are other things that, like in the civil rights movement, that people did, like other things that were attempted that didn't work. Right. that didn't work right so it's like it's kind of like this process of learning like okay where where do we have margin where do we have space where do we have resources where do we have access and and being strategic with that because we we can't keep doing what we're doing because none of us will be able to eat in a couple years right like the planet is not on a sustainable track right now so we have to make some really massive changes and i think that trying to explain all this to my friends dual power is probably the best most effective way to do that so right that's my two sentences and emoji there you go and if for people who are uh are doing further research and are googling dual power uh google will suggest dual power reclining sofa right and i don't think

that's the one oh power seats wow that's that's the alphabet trying to get you off that yeah oh you don't mean that right you mean a dual power exactly what is something you think is overrated dual power calculator how about that talking about getting organized yeah oh god um well as most of you probably know it's been really really hot here so right now i think clothing is overrated you're rocking a nice sleeveless tee yeah yeah like i don't it'd be really nice if you know we didn't we didn't have to wear clothes when we didn't want to i would love that of you know we didn't we didn't have to wear clothes when we didn't want to i would love that yeah it's 117 degrees you guys like what are we supposed to do is it really no no no not this week that was that was in june that was in june yeah no oof yeah but uh it was really bad in the pacific

north well yeah yeah and it's like we none of us have ac right because we've always had a very temperate climate so yeah i think clothes are a little overrated this summer. Yeah. Well, but if you're out there and you're nude, I mean, God's going to punish you. That's true. All the puritanical beliefs this nudity shame shit is built off of. So, oh, God, don't want to upset God by having my nipples out. That's true.

Can I totally sidetrack this really fast? So I have another podcast. It's called Go Home Bible, You're Drunk. And so we do all of these, like we find all of these weird like artifacts in the Bible and outside of. And so my co-host Justin sent me a picture of a pin that the people who would go on,

people who would go on crusades would wear to like identify themselves. And it's a little fucking vulva with feet and a staff. It looks like a dick and a face. It's nuts. You guys, it's nuts. So that's what I'm saying. Like bodies have not always been disgusting in Christianity.

That's what I was trying to say. And guys, do not Google Crusades vulva pin. Please do. It looks like a little troll. Honestly, what's funny, I Googled Crusades vulva pin. And it says, it looks like there aren't any matches for you. I'll send it to you. Oh, my God.

I'm going to text it to you. Oh, there it is. I had to go to image search. Yeah, I'll text it to you. I'm riding a horse'm going to text. Oh, there it is. I had to go to image search. Yeah. I'll text. I had no horse with a crossbow. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Okay. I don't know. I don't get it. I don't get it. I haven't researched any of this yet. I just saw the picture of the thing that they're like, yeah, this is,

this is what we wear. Okay. Let them know. Yeah. It's all weird. Sublimated. Like, you know, even the Jesus fish has a number of vaginal qualities.

Yes. A number of vaginal qualities. Mainly the shape. Welcome to my TED Talk. But yeah, that's wild. That podcast sounds incredible. I'm going to take the whole Bible. You're drunk.

What is something you think is underrated okay so the crate challenge has been making me think about the fact that that black americans as culture makers are incredibly underrated because i started thinking about you know like like 15 years ago maybe even 20 years ago there was this whole thing at the end of the year that people would make these blog posts and or like, whatever, they post something up. And they're like, these are all the words were canceling this year. And it was all like terms that black Americans had come up with to use in like certain situations that white people then took and would like, incorrectly apply. Right. But it was like, every single year, it's like, here's the things we're cancel canceling and it was always because black people are always the ones making culture here not exclusively but constantly and so the uh yeah well our little crate challenge business was like somebody was like what is this

do i need to follow this and i'm like it's just black tiktok and twitter making culture again right and then turning into just punish fest the most brutal ones i see are when people fucking kick the crates out from under people and i'm like half of this is a challenge and half of this seems like a setup to go fuck with somebody you don't like yeah yeah but oh shout out to the listener that sent me the one, the person completing the challenge in heels. Very impressive. We love to see it. I like the one that was in the prison yard.

Oh, yeah. I saw that one, too. That was so good. It was so good. With the nut trucks. And then you're like, damn, everybody got fucking phones in there. Everybody has smartphones in prison. Yeah. Because at first I was like, oh, they're doing it in jail.

And then I'm like, wait, someone has a phone. No, wait. No, multiple people Wait everybody else has a phone Yeah there's multiple Angles of coverage in the yard But you know everyone's surviving You know what I'm okay with it Is everybody surviving The milk crate challenge Because it looks

Some of the injuries look like deadly Oh there are some again That like I said, you don't want to cast your eyes upon it if you've ever even tweaked your back, like showering. Because half of them, I watch and go, oh, he's done. That bad?

Oh, nope, not like that. Or whenever I watch them, I imagine my rigid body falling from those heights, and I'm like, I was shattered into a million pieces. Yeah. And I have to look away. Yeah. It does seem like a way to thin out the uncoordinated and like people who are desperate for social approval class you can imagine a like a first date where you're like look i'm before i consider you i need to see you do the great challenge right i have to just to

know if you're fit if you're fit as a man can i show you a video of me doing it do i have to do it right now like in front of you like what is i mean look it doesn't have to be in front of me like it can be a video i'm not asking for me but at some point i do need to see some kind of video evidence you know yes well it's one of those things that the people who succeed at it make it look so easy and seamless. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's underrated how much core strength and leg strength you need to do that shit. Because, again, you see people do it calmly. You don't realize how strong their legs and core are to not start shaking.

Because, like, half of them are like, I will be fixed at a low angle and support my body weight as i ascend and descend yeah it's like freestyle rapping it looks easy so you're trying yeah yeah all right let's take a quick break i'm gonna go try the milk crate challenge and we'll be right back i've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project.

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suspension bridge yeah someone goes on bike and you're like god damn it you're fucking goons reckless uh i crossed i crossed many log bridges this summer because i love hiking and i'm just like yeah i am not this is not my skill set i don't know i took gymnastics as a gymnastics as a kid i don't know why this is so hard for me now but yeah yeah log bridges across rivers like i don't love it like fuck it take my shoes off i don't love it yeah is so hard for me now but yeah yeah log bridges across rivers like i don't love it fuck it take my shoes off i don't love it yeah you're just gonna wait fuck it yeah when i was uh i think it was probably four or five i was riding my bike down a hill top speed and just stuck a like really thick stick into the spokes i don't know what i expected to happen yeah i did it on my own self-owned wow

i don't know why i did it nobody was there to see me i was just a curious absent-minded dreamer and uh i i took flight landed on my head and uh i think i've had it drilled into me that this sort of a jackassery is not, is not for you. It doesn't. I remember when I was a kid, like in Japan, because like, there's always like fans going like oscillating fans.

And I remember I took the cage off the front and turned it on and just stuck my hand in the fan blade. Cause I was like, fuck it. Let's just see. And I fucked my shit up. I was eating this shit. And my mom was like, what the fuck? I was like, I don't know. just see. And I fucked my shit up. I was eating shit. And my mom was like, what the fuck?

I was like, I don't know. Was it like metal blades? No, they were like translucent plastic. Oh, okay. So like, look cool. I don't know. And I was doing all that Darth Vader voice. Yeah, I was like, fuck it.

We got to know. And I think, look, that's us discovering. It's the fucking around and finding out that makes us human. I did, growing up, expect like doing what you just described would have just like turned into like a pink mist and i wouldn't have had a hand anymore like definitely see i had to know because you know what i did right i went in with a fist wow as a kid i was like no i feel like my fingers are too weak yeah i just jam in there i'm like i gotta fucking destroy this thing and i did i broke it and i cut my busted my shit it was everybody lost that day there was a kid at camp

who could stop fans i mean i guess everybody could do this but like stop little like hand fans with his tongue and he would do that and like that blew my mind i was never the same after that he's a senator now, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's the best. All right. Let's talk about kind of the main mainstream media news story of the past two weeks has been basically look how bad Biden fucked this up. When it comes to Afghanistan, you know, it's being treated. This is the first big failure of his administration, which I haven't been paying attention, apparently. But they really like are, you know, it's a it's one of those news stories where it's like they're reporting on it as a failure. Then they're reporting on his slipping poll numbers. Then they're reporting on people talking about his slipping poll.

Like it's like this is this is where we get to prove our bona fides as like both sides are yeah they the whole thing is it's like the media just has an inability to have a reckoning with anything so rather than going like zoom out let's talk about this military occupation for 20 years like let's just talk about the last part where we're seeing like the chaos of it yeah and it's not often you're hearing someone actually say like this i mean i think the only time you hear it is a way to be like well don't worry about joe biden okay because like this was bush really started it and like so let's let's divorce the the blame from biden to bush is like the most you can see somebody zoom out about like looking at

this thing holistically. Right. Because like what's happening right now in Afghanistan is terrifying. Right. There's a humanitarian humanitarian crisis taking place. And it's not just at the Hamid Karzai airport. This is this is a huge, massive displacement event for people. And NGOs are already saying they're having trouble getting to people and not sure what the Taliban will allow them, like how they'll help if they can have access to supplies, things are like the prices of things like inflation is hitting in a really intense way. But again, the whole coverage has mostly been about like, well, how many people did we get out today? How many of you which and I get the and I get the the what is owed to the people that unfortunately got caught up in having to help the U.S. military

during the occupation and not leaving them there to answer for, you know, them just merely trying to survive during that time. But I feel like every headline should be about failed fucking American military occupation and what this means. But this is the frustrating part because we understand i think for decades you we know that the media is used to not really report things clearly it's just giving a spin on things to avoid see our actual reckoning and this is like another one by like cia and pentagon sources that like this is you know that this is just the only way that they're able to see things is is through you know the they they couldn't possibly just take a step back and be like maybe the whole system's fucked up right because where are the stories on like how the pentagon saw this as a

fucking never-ending checkbook right now and how they were incentivized to fucking not do shit really because the rain money kept coming in you know or the fact that the fucking you know while people are yes queening nancy pelosi for getting some kind of you know getting the moderate democrats in line for an infrastructure deal that we're not talking about all of the politicians who are currently in office who are making the decisions to stay there or avoid talking about leaving. Where is that now? Yeah. You know, and it's it's really convenient that they do this because it keeps us from having any kind of wrecking.

We saw this over the summer, too, just with just with America's white supremacy and policing problem. It was just let's talk about the chaos. Let's talk about the body counts. Talk about the looting. Talk about the anger. Don't talk about the fucking root cause. Don't talk about how this is a failure of the United States government to provide people with a way to live or that it's an absolute failure to provide them with opportunities for upward mobility. So survival crime isn't something people resort to, but it can't be like that. And I think that's, what's really frustrating over and over is like, if you're, and I, again, I feel like I'm preaching to the choir, anyone who has some level of awareness around these situations that it's just such a fucking disservice to people because most people just open their, their mouth agape watching CNN or MSNBC or whatever these news channels are.

And they're getting like such a skewed fucking superficial version of it without actually like being able to drive the country in a direction that's actually forward. It's more like, damn, that's fucked up. All right. Anyway. Yeah. We talked,

we talked at the beginning of this story about just the unforgettable image of the plane taking off with people clinging to the outside and how I, you know the media is treating it is as a, man, Biden's going to own this at the polls and Biden's going to own this at the ballot box. Wait, what? How about all the fucking people of Afghanistan? Right. You know what I mean? Like, that image of those people holding onto the plane, that is an image of

failure. You know what I mean? More than anything, it's harrowing, of course, but you really need to look at that as an American person go holy shit thing's a fucking l from the beginning yeah and we weren't able to have the you know because obviously the military industrial complex isn't going to suddenly be like no we don't need to occupy these foreign lands and do some light mineral extraction we don't who cares right that's not gonna happen but the failure doesn't fit in right it doesn't right to the narrative it doesn't ever ever right so it's like yeah well we can't we can't frame it that way as journalists because you know the system

also kind of works for us right now we're just gonna go oh man that's that's a goddamn shame like okay yeah can we can we hold some people accountable can you start asking some questions because like you're the ones with with the mics and the cameras and stuff like you want you want to go trace these people down oh see the thing is we the the problem is america is so horrible that i don't know if we've understood that there's a thing where where you're when you're objective about american news foreign policy or history the people say you hate the fucking country right you're a racist you know that's always the people say you hate the fucking country. Right. You're a racist. That's always the refrain.

Oh, you hate this place. And a lot of people say, no, actually, I think this place can be better. That's why I'm screaming about it. I love this place. Because you know what? As fucked up as it is, they atom bombed the country where my mom came from, and she still somehow came here to try and make shit better for herself. I don't know. So there's something there

that pulls people but you owe it to fucking human beings to do it right and but and that's what's so so you look at even the shit in the last year right or everything you'll have a palestinian activist on you'll have a prison abolitionist on msnbc for like two fucking minutes and act like it was a halftime magic show at that basketball game. Right. You know, a glimpse into something fucking fantastic and not real. And then immediately be like, all right, well, we did read our vegetables from someone who

was actually thinking about what needs to happen and go back to around the clock shit show that will prevent people from critically thinking about what the actual problems that we have are. And they treat the military industrial complex like it's the meat and the vegetables, like that that is what, well, this is the realistic stuff. And obviously those people like are, that's great in theory, but none of that can actually happen because all of our sources are, Miles, you were pointing out that, you know,

Al Jazeera's main story on their front page is about how millions of afghan children are in dire need and cnn they have an op-ed from a guy that works at rand yeah the defense and development yeah the people who gave us thought up mutually assured destruction as a nuclear deterrence those people have front page access on cnn and they're spinning it like actually like this isn't a story this isn't a story at all about america and retreat yeah and that's that's everything like the you were talking about the america's white supremacy policing problem and the police are the media, the mainstream media is like one of their primary sources. When it comes to anything overseas, the military are the media's like primary source.

And yeah, like an interesting kind of wrinkle of this is like people were talking during the Trump administration about like how these Trump cabinet members and, you know, people, members of the Trump administration were getting shouted out of like these incredibly fancy restaurants in Northern Virginia. And I was like, wait, what? Like I used to live down there. That's not a part of the country that's known for like hot cuisine. And the reason people are pointing out that the reason it got so fancy all of a sudden is because military contractors have been able to just pay themselves like millions and millions of dollars because of Afghanistan. And they're all located in Northern Virginia. So like that is what's happening. And they're all the primary sources for you know the corporate mainstream media the the cnn's of

the world it yeah because again it's it's all about the media is not about journalism it's this way for americans to rationalize that they don't live in a fucked up place that's really what it is it'll it'll give you a glimpse of oh there's some someone's popping off over here let's not get too into the why because that'll freak you out yeah i mean it's still it's the it's the narrative right like we have to have like this myth of americanism like we have to have that because otherwise it's like oh everything's gonna fall apart and we're not gonna be in charge anymore can't have that okay look over here it's already happened like it's already happened it's like let's pretend like that stuff isn't all you know the stock market you guys um right it's like yeah it's all distraction i feel like from from real life

being like in the position that i'm in from my perspective i feel like it is all distraction from what is actually occurring like the next block over right really yeah instead of instead of dealing with oh yeah like we we really mess this up and we should take take responsibility for all the things that we fucked up over there you know like just a thought but it's like oh man this is so sad and biden screwed up and who else can we blame this on because it damn sure can't be us america well and it definitely can't be like the way that america operates generally right it's these like failed attempts at like being powerful and then just actually destroying hundreds of thousands of millions of lives

right yeah and then yeah every story you look, even like stories about the unhoused people. Yeah. It's about what's this mayor doing? Right. What's this mayor doing? Yeah. What's this city doing? Not what is our society doing? What is our country doing? Why are we in a position where people who have mental health issues quite literally just left for dead on the street?

Yep. And then we're like, whoa, freaky people on the street. No, man. Have some fucking empathy. Have some understanding that other countries aren't like this. Yeah. This is a uniquely bad country that we live in in a lot of respects. And like, yeah, it's just they can't take that out. Like, well, yeah. Americans can't admit. I know.

I mean, like everybody everybody every place has its own fucked up problems but sure we we definitely our superpower is ignoring the fuck out of them and then just keeping it moving and then wondering when it's a total mess what went what went wrong yeah you were watching a slow motion car crash for 20 years the fuck are you talking about and then you're like well what the fuck huh hmm yeah, it's just it's just very frustrating. And, you know, when you look at really what the stakes are for human beings, like in any number of these sub, you know, these stories or whatever, these events that are taking place, you're just like, damn, we're not even giving the people who are affected by it a fair shout by actually accurately describing what's happening. who are affected by it a fair shout by actually accurately describing what's happening yeah so hopefully that well i don't know we'll see we'll see what happens there but it's tough when you have to again you have to go to the the news websites of other countries to figure out a better idea of what your country's up to that's a fucking terrifying thing that's been true for

many years but yeah it only persists there's's a, I think it was a Wall Street Journal story about how Eric Prince is charging $6,500 for a seat on a flight out of Kabul. That's just a single like anecdote in the story. And then they just kind of move past it to talk about how like Biden is like rebuffing requests from other Western allies. how like biden is like rebuffing requests from other western allies it's like no that is like that's that's the core detail is that we have somebody who gets away with bringing a like callous disregard to like just monetizing human lives and deaths in the middle east and he exercises power to this day like in a pretty profound way like that's that's your story not your fucking like all the i don't know it's it seems like that should be a bigger deal yeah yeah but you know it i think when you look at those stories it helps you even

you you start really seeing it for what it is you you know? Yeah. Yeah. The fact that it is, and you're like, well, that's, that's the part of American society that will just, it keeps humming along. Um, and we, it's hard to bring attention to it. Cause I think at the end of the day, everybody's already so fucking pressed in so many fucking different directions. Like,

Oh great. Another corrupt fucking thing. I don't know. Like I'm just trying to fucking make ends meet. Right. So yeah. But that's where are those stories, you know? Great. Another corrupt fucking thing. I don't know. Like, I'm just trying to fucking make ends meet. Right. So, yeah. But that's where are those stories, you know? Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life.

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was supposed to be the world's most amazingly impenetrable great wall the best wall you've ever seen have been torn apart by summer monsoon rains which has something to do with the fact that it was just completely rushed the courts allowed construction companies to bypass dozens of environmental laws the flooding and monsoon rains were already a huge issue of concern which is why the wall already required floodgates which had to be left open for months every summer during the monsoon season which i don't know so how's that like how's that i mean fuck this wall for anyway but like y' But, like, y'all can't even do basic wall shit. Yeah.

I mean, again, it's a monument to racism. It's not a wall. It's not functional. To your point, like, Afghanistan, it's a money laundering op. Yeah, exactly. Like, who's built? Like, think about it. Like, they're spending all the money for who to get that contract.

Yeah. Because it's damn sure not because, you know, these people know it's the fucking border wall isn't the issue. So you just do that. Plus, somebody gets rich here, ramp up the Islamophobia. Now we go to the Middle East. Now somebody's getting rich. It's just. Yeah. So, yeah. Glad to hear that they even knew these problems like, yeah, still completely fucked up. Yeah. And it also highlights how bad Biden's plan has been around the wall, because I think, you know, he's like, oh, it's just a political symbol. Let's move on. And so he basically campaigned on not building any more wall, but he also just like won't tear it down either. which actually is a big problem because it forces migrants to travel through more dangerous terrain,

which obviously doesn't stop people, as we've talked about. It just ends up killing them. This past July, the number of migrant deaths at the border skyrocketed to the highest in nearly a decade because they built small parts of the wall in places where people chose to cross a lot of the time. And now they can't cross there. And there was a reason they were crossing there because the other places are deadly. And yeah, it's just, uh, it's just kind of ignoring a very concrete problem because of political, like bullshitty political implications. It's wild to be, i think about like you said

like these intense monsoon rains like if that would force a republican to use climate change as a reason why their wall took an l like you know because i'm like we couldn't i mean this climate change these rains are way more intense than we could have and that's why the wall feeling like well hey hold on let me just say climate change yeah but i mean only as it relates to this very specific part of this border wall like when your engineers reject climate change they're like that's not a thing that can happen right it's gonna like you know it's fine the climate isn't changing that much it'll be okay we don't have to worry about it right and then also just like that, the people that you can, I guess, apparently entrust with building this wall, they don't give a fuck.

No. They didn't build it to fucking last. They said, yeah, all right, whatever. Give us the fucking contract. Give us the money. Yeah. Here, here, here, here. Good, good, good, good, good.

Yeah. We got to keep it open most of the time, though, just so you know. Right. All right. I got to go. I got to go buy a fucking mega yacht. All right, I got to go. Got to go buy a fucking mega yacht.

Briefly, Delta is going with a vaccine encouragement approach rather than a vaccine mandate. They will be making it unprofitable for people to remain unvaccinated. They're basically saying that people who are on their company insurance and remain unvaccinated will have to pay 200 extra dollars a month. And, you know, on the one hand, again, they're just like kind of putting a dollar figure on human life. And that seems to be a weird, weird thing that resonates with Americans for some reason. on the other hand it does you know it's better than nothing i guess i would say it's just weird because it kind of like undercuts this like fundamental belief that you should have your health care right now like and that's kind of it i and i but i get the logic of you're like you can't you can't make it easy for people to take this choice that puts people at risk but then like to do that with like adding more premiums and things like that feels like a fucking weird run of rate train that could leave but yeah fuck at this point i don't know what are

they i i'm sure there's other ways to do things but yeah it's it's definitely like one of the things i'm like it's like it's an effective rebuttal to them being like, you can't force me to have it. And it's like, well, OK, so you guys are into the market. Like from a market perspective, you are at greater risk. We're going to have to pay more to like for you guys' health care because of this belief. So therefore, we're just we're just following the market, which seems to be like what y'all are into. On the other hand, it's like, why are we even going? It assumes their first argument that you can't mandate a vaccine is true, which is just not a good look because that's incorrect. They want their private company.

And so they're still essentially paying people to endanger their customers' lives and their other staff's lives. It feels really classist to me, too, because, you know, not everybody at Delta is going to feel 200 bucks, right? Like if you're a flight attendant, like, yeah, that's probably a ton of your paycheck. Right. But, you know, if you're a pilot like who cares like that's not even gonna that that that you're not gonna notice 200 missing so i don't feel that doesn't feel like an effective motivator pilots now are wildly underpaid but right oh okay executives for sure executives yeah but yeah i mean if you it's like okay i can i can afford the 200 bucks a month i'm just going to take the hit you know to make a political point because that's at this point that's all that you know people who are rejecting vaccinations at this point they're just trying to make a political

point and it is worth it for them to spend money to continue to be able to make that point i don't understand the logic personally but that that's what's motivating them is it's like this ideological thing doesn't actually have anything to do with the science or anything, obviously. But yeah, it just feels really, really classist to me to be like blanket fee. Everybody, you know, everybody pays the same amount. And unless you're one of these Republican mega donors within our company and then, hey, you can shoulder that. Right, right. And then it's like, oh, well, that's cool. I'll just pay that. Sounds good. shoulder that. Right, right. And then it's like, oh, well, that's cool. I'll just pay that.

Sounds good. Let's go. All right, let's get into the Nirvana baby. I think one of the most iconic images of the past, I don't know, 40 years, because everything has to be commercial these days. everything has to be like commercial these days like i feel like that is that is like a culturally significant image even though it's like just an album cover that was sold by a record company right and if you don't remember it's the nevermind album covers a baby in a pool naked and there's a dollar bill on a fish hook and it's going after it okay ring a bell yeah i think okay we're on the same page.

That baby, still a baby in my mind, no, that person is now an adult and is suing the band for basically child endangerment. I thought at first they were suing them for not giving them that dollar, but it turns out

they're suing them for a little bit more than that. And it kind of makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Well it kind of makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is the thing. I just want to go through what he's alleging here.

He claims that he could not consent to his image being used on the album way back in the day because you were four months old. And he says his legal guardians didn't consent to it either. That's okay. I didn't. That's what he That's okay. I didn't, that's what he's alleging. So he was kidnapped for the photo shoot and put back in his crib. I don't know. That's where you start.

Like, so what are you saying here? Right. Was that a picture that your parents took? And like, they actually, that was just for our private collection. And then they repurposed that.

So I don't know. He also says that he claims that the image is actually child pornography. He claims the band made a promise to cover his genitals with a sticker, but it was never incorporated on the album cover. You know, I think most people say that nude baby photos generally don't legally rise to what they would consider pornography. Right. Because of the lack of like sexual implied sexual nature of like an image to like National Geographic. Things aren't considered poor like if it's merely something that's being captured with nudity that's one thing pornography

kind of it's a different a higher definition that has to meet and so they go on to say that his lawyers also twisting and say like it's also kind of like him being a sex worker so he says quote defendants intentionally commercially marketed marketed Spencer's child pornography and leveraged the shocking nature of his image to promote themselves and their music at his expense. Meaning the child. scheme commonly utilized in the music industry to get attention where an album covers post children in a sexually provocative manner to gain notoriety drive sales and garner media attention and critical reviews what like yeah what what how i'm like trying to i'm trying to keep an open mind here you know i mean because like i'm trying to say like i get it yeah maybe you were a baby you're like yeah it's kind of weird i was just nate i was like one of the most famous naked babies of

all time yeah that part i get and maybe people teased me or whatever although like who the fuck's like wait aren't you the nevermind baby who would who would know that's the thing about babies is like they all pretty much look the same at four months you're not really gonna be able to like pull your kid out of a lineup very easily and like i'm trying to not like be like some kind of nirvana stand to be like don't touch the never mind album cover but i'm like really trying to understand like is this is what he's accusing them of is this going is this uh this is where i don't know the law or the nuances of what is or is not yeah you know pornography or things like that but just based on my very terribly superficial knowledge i didn't think it was that controversial

but yeah it's like a political cartoon like sure it feels like yes this is false this is a false premise that they were doing it with the intent of like setting up child pornography on the other hand just give them some money like that i don't know it's like i'm like what's that deal look like because you know how lawsuits happen right almost as a man let me come on what the fuck man cut me a little check man i was a baby you gave my parents a bunk deal right you know they were fucked up on fucking acid at the time and you they did it for 40 bucks man i kind of like help me out here you you're fucking dave grohl you're chris novichelic you know you're the cobain estate help me out here with something and they probably said fuck out of here okay we

already signed a contract it's right there see you later so then you pivot to something else because at the end of the day he wants cobain the the cobain estate dave grohl and nova to cough up at least 150 each 150 000 150 000 each that feels fair to me i feel like they should just do that that seems like a reasonable amount frankly right so i'm that's what i'm curious is like did they rebuff him first when he asked for something and then he said well then fine let's i'll make a lawsuit out of this and then i'll just make out you just fucking settle with me yeah i feel like they're taking it too far though because it's like there's something very wrong with you if you see a four-month-old baby and think this is sexually explicit pornography like

that's that's that's creepy like why why is that the first thing that you go pornography. Like, that's creepy. Like, why is that the first thing that you go to? I feel like that's not the angle that maybe he should have taken because that, again, like you're trying to make an image of an infant into pornography in order to make your case.

I don't know about that part. Pay him, but I don't know about that argument. I think that's where maybe his lawyer is the one who's like really being like, no, see, this is how you do it, man.

And he's telling his friends, I got, yeah, you know, the nevermind baby. Yeah. I signed him as a client, man.

We're going to go get, we're going to go after Nirvana now. Cause I'm going to say he was a sex worker at the time. Yeah. Especially because that album was so like made them illogically immorally wealthy like to a degree that like i think they all admitted at the time was like this is this sort of fame this sort of uh wealth is absurd and like shouldn't exist but i'm sure right and also less likely to admit that now right and the album cover itself

is like you know a commentary on capitalism and being like hey here little baby here's a get get hooked on the dollar right and rather than something like to like what they're saying it's like oh my god they were trying to get people to to be the most controversial thing i felt like oh i don't know again i i was only a but a at the time, so I wasn't in touch with all of the news media commentary around this. But I thought a boy named Goo, the Goo Goo Dolls cover, got more heat than this shit did. When they were like, it's got, this little boy has blood on his face. And it's like, what? But again, I leave it to the Gen X Zeitgang people.

What was the tone? Were people like, oh my God, this baby. No, not really. I don't think so. And it like has such a clear, it really does contribute to the album though. Like the, it really like nails the sort of vibe of the album. And like the, you can tell that it's like kind the sort of vibe of the album and like the,

you can tell that it's like kind of intentionally stupid, but also like, I don't know, just the, just the tone of the album is a fit, which is why I think they should just pay him what he's asking because it's like, it really was like that image resonated with that album and the combination

really resonated with everybody. I don't know the, the meaning I got from it was just that like they were doing a kind of a silly self mocking, like political cartoon, but at the same time, you know, they,

they were anti capitalist. It's interesting. He then in 2016, he talked about how he got quote, got a little upset about his notoriety. He's interesting. In 2016, he talked about how he got, quote, got a little upset about his notoriety. He said, quote, I just woke up already being part of this huge project. It's pretty difficult. You feel like you're famous for nothing. It's hard not to get upset when you hear how much money was involved. When I go to a baseball game and think about it, man, everybody at this baseball game has probably seen my little baby penis i feel like i got part of my human rights revoked that's a very specific thought but

i don't know why he said i'm at this baseball game like huh but yeah i get it you know because you look at now this this fucking all the whole grunge scene that shit's coming back around visually graphically you see it in the fashion. People are rocking. I've seen this shirt printed millions of times. So in that way, I would be like, yo, I'm like the jump man of the grunge scene. Yeah. And you're not going to fucking give me my fucking cut? Yes.

I think you have something to go with there. Yes, absolutely. I don't want to take whatever. That's his experience. That's how he feels. That's how he it feels i feel like that's really common though in in in imagery of like african americans historically that were used to market things right like and jemima uncle ben situations right where yeah it was like your image was just taken and you you know maybe got a couple dollars for it if you were paid at all and then yeah it's like hey we

we sell hundreds of millions of units of whatever thing that this is and sorry you still don't get any money for it because you know it's it's ours like your image is ours so like from that perspective i'm like yeah i'm not cool with not paying him more given what we now know over the last 40 years um and yeah exactly it's yeah it's it is it's iconic and i think that you know it's totally reasonable for him to ask to be paid more i have no problem with that yeah that's where like the legalese comes in it's like well this agreement has been signed so right like the claim that they're making that it is in a long history of there are some severely fucked up classic rock albums that do use child pornography and like should be banned and i think have been banned in a lot of cases but this just feels like

trying to graft onto that, like a naked baby. It feels weird. Yeah. More than anything, I'm like, yo, if this young man, or whatever, he's like in his 30s now. Right. This dude, this feels like he's old more than, yeah, have that conversation.

And Dave, bro, for how, like, you know, how, you know, crunchy and hippy dippy and all lovey dovey you seem to be, like, go ahead and cut him a check, bro. I feel slightly differently about... So Vampire Weekend had a similar thing. They had a pretty iconic album cover for Contra that was, like, this young woman looking very 80s. And it was apparently a...

Like, they bought it off of a photographer who claimed that he had taken the picture like of a model at like a behind the scenes like it was just a very obscure picture but the photographer was like a scam artist and they she sued the band for two million dollars they settled with her and then like countersued the photographer essentially and i think they're gonna win that because the photographer was like lying and to the point that like his lawyer fired him and now he's representing himself oh great uh-oh that's what that's how you know you're in good shape yeah but that i i also have a difficulty with like any band like nirvana would be the last band that i'd be like oh well they're rich

because like after that like nobody everybody stopped making money in the music industry i feel like maybe not immediately after that but for like they're of that generation of bands that was still getting like kind of absurdly wealthy. Like I don't think Vampire Weekend has two million dollars laying around. They might. I'm sure they license their shit enough. I remember seeing in a bunch of commercials. Yeah, that's smart. But I mean, that's the difference, right?

Because you have the musicians who make their shit now are the ones who get their stuff put in TV and film and commercials. Or you do a Remus. Right. stuff put in tv and film and commercials or you do arenas right that's kind of like this or you do the hyper indie model where you can cut out the label so you're not cut up caught up in some 360 deal and you actually do it independent and try and keep you know the revenue coming back to you the artist but yeah i mean there's still people making money but yeah it's definitely become like like it's like the one percent of bands essentially yeah do like 90s style revenue yeah i remember that there was like a profile of uh that being grizzly bear which was like a popular indie band like i hadn't seen them live but i like knew people who had gone to see them live and i had like one of their albums on

like one of the download services and somebody like it was back before the everything was streaming and uh they somebody profiled them and they were like really struggling to like make ends meet like at the at the time they were like peak fame they were like yeah you know like we live in too small like apartments that are too small for our families and like really are check to check because right of just like the way that the music industry went like they there stopped being as much money when album sales stopped but that that didn't come out of the record company's pocket. That came out of the artist's pocket. Yeah, they really kind of got fucked in a lot of ways.

So that's why. That's why going hyper-India is a great route. Shout out to Chance. He hasn't really... He dropped that stinker, and I haven't heard much from him since then. He just features on Justin Bieber tracks. I'm not worried about him financially. He's doing great.

I'm just wondering, like, is he going to have a return to form? I don't know. Depends on, you know, everyone's on their own path artistically, but I can only imagine

when you come from, like, money. Yeah. At a certain point, like, it almost like you tick that box. You're like, yeah, I did that. Mm-hmm. I love my wife

that shit sucked all right well tori it has been such a pleasure as always having you where can people find you and follow you yeah thank you so much i always love chatting with y'all you're the best i'm sometimes on the internet in social places, mainly Twitter and Instagram. So my personal stuff is at Tori Glass and all the White Homework stuff is just at White Homework. And yeah, I have a podcast called White Homework and then another called Go Home Bible, You're Drunk. You want to check either of those out? So yeah, that's usually where you can find me on the internet. All right. What's the wildest shit find me on the internet. All right. What's the wildest shit you discovered in the Bible that you did not expect to be there in the course of this podcast?

Okay, so my favorite wild bananas story in the Bible is Moses, right? The guy with the staff and the parting of the Red Sea. He's on his way to Egypt with his wife, and God decides to meet them in the parting of the Red Sea. He's on his way to Egypt with his wife and God decides to meet them in the middle of the road and starts fighting with Moses because the Bible says God wants to kill him. So you just had like this 180, like complete change of heart. He's like, actually, I don't like you anymore. And so basically Moses' wife shows up and like the text says, circumcises her son on the spot with a flint knife. And then apparently God is okay with this.

She like throws it at God and God's like, okay, I'm, I'm, I'm good. I'm going to leave now. Yeah. Which is through some character changes.

Yes, it's true. That is true. I just, yeah, no, I know. But like,

that's, that's my personal favorite story because like a black woman and God get into a fight and the black woman wins. I'm here for that. Is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Well, I mean, obviously the tweet,

like the CIA put all the milk crates in the hood is my favorite right now. It's like, where did we put all the milk crates in the hood it's my favorite right now like where where did we all get these milk like they just they just magically appeared in every single neighborhood like where did this come from that's it's a it's the fbi they're putting these milk crates in the hood so we injure ourselves it would be the fbi it would not be it's a op it's a a psy-op. Psy-op. I'm not fucking with it. And neither should you.

But it always feels like it's behind a liquor store or something. Right. Because that's where you're going to have the milk crates. Anyone who's borrowed a milk crate from somewhere typically will find it near a grocery store or a local bodega liquor store. So yeah, it's a lot of milk crates. It's a lot. I'm wondering if I just wasn't noticing the milk crates before because now I'm starting to see them. Granted,

it was on the set of our live show, but there were a bunch of milk crates all over the place. I was like, huh? Well, yeah, great, great thing for production. You know what I mean? You'll see a lot of milk crates for production. Where's the production version? Come on. Yeah. Miles, where can people find you? What's the tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray and the other show for 20 day fiance with Sophia Alexandra talking 90 day with each other. Let's see a couple things that I like. First one is from at Carly J.

Garber. She tweeted a guy at my high school reunion asked me, didn't you like create Broad City? And I said, yes. Like, who the fuck is this? Yes. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Create Broad City. This is fucking funny as fuck to me. And then Ray Apollo at Ray Apollo tweeted. I just like, create a bright scene. This is fucking funny as fuck to me. And then Ray Apollo, at Ray Apollo, tweeted, I just like this. It says, as a creator, your community is a reflection of you. And I shout out Zyte Gang because y'all are dope. Yeah, he's dope. Makes me feel good. So, yep.

Good feels there. Yeah, yeah. Let's see. A couple tweets I've been enjoying. Pizzarina Sparrow tweeted, I just talked to everyone in the grocery store that you're at. They all said you're acting super weird. They know that you're hot. I just talked to everyone.

I feel really insecure just listening to that. Oh, my God. Everyone can tell. Everyone can tell that you're high. They can tell I'm not talking, right? I just enter a conversation and laugh, really laugh. Everyone can tell that you're high. Like, oh, fuck. They can tell I'm not talking, right? Ha ha! I just, like, enter a conversation and laugh, really laugh. Big Honk and Caboose tweeted,

Your Honor, what's the move after this? Like, what's everyone getting into? Excuse me? You're here for an appeal? And then Daddy Longlegs tweeted, I'm pronouncing milk crates the same way I would Socrates, which I always like a good pronunciation note. Milk-rates.

Or Socrates. Yeah, that's the other way to go with that. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song are we suggesting people go check out? This is a track from Deb never and jim e stack i'm not really i don't know much about deb never but the track was real upbeat and just kind of it's like this new era of like hip-hoppy pop music that just kind of feels i don't know like i just like the way music's evolving right now there's a lot of like genre-less genres that are just like so multi-hyphenate that i'm like yeah this is like everything i like but you somehow took the best parts and made it one thing so this is deb never and jimmy stack is called sweet and spice there's so much good music i i can never understand it when people are like

uh music today sucks it's's like, oh man. I cannot agree with that take. What are you listening to? K-Rock? Okay, what? You can't be passive about this shit. If you really fuck with music, it's out there. You just gotta put a little energy in there and it will reveal itself. Also, Jimmy Stacks.

That feels like something. Eat a Jimmy Stack or something like that. Like a bag of X. He's also one of the most That feels like something. Eat a Jimmy Stack or something like that. Jimmy Stack, yeah. He's also one of the most famous crate challenge people, Jimmy Stack. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Something down those stacks. All right.

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