The Daily Zeitgeist - Ads Feel Good In A Place Like This, 2 Bottoms or 2 Tops? 06.06.25

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

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All the kids who I remember from growing up who were like the funny kids, they just did. They just did Jim Carrey. You got to kill. Yeah. That's because we didn't have social media. There was literally, are you Jim Carrey or not? Because if you're not, I want you out of here. Yeah. In my age group, it was what it was Dane Cook and Chappelle. It was very weird diametrically opposed.

That's such a weird thing. Cause like it's easy for kids to nail Jim Carrey because he's just a fucking goof. You know what I mean? What is Dane Cook like? Like a 12 year old doing Dane Cook? Like what kind of shit is he doing? Like just doing just regurgitating the material walking back and forth. They just ripping that for their dumb kid.

I think I think so. Honestly, this was only the white kids. No one kids. And but I guess, yeah, that's what we do. We appropriate. Yes, because at least I had Jim Carrey because in living color. So I could do a Damon Wayans thing that I love Yeah, especially I love like the fucking jailhouse dude. He's like allow me to

Eject you tape I mean, that's still good my seminal inspirations still fucking eating with that Good I mean, that show, obviously it has a lot of stuff that didn't age well, but I think though too, it's never us ever taking liberties and then improvising as a thing. Cause I'm like, what are they doing? Bits it's like, no, you just said the same shit

that made you laugh over and over again. So it's not like I was doing, I was riffing on fire marshal bill. I was just saying, let me show you something. I act like it changed after childhood, but in college it was just Anchorman. It was just people being number one. For me, it was Sunny Heights or what is it?

Summer Heights High. Summer Heights High. The fucking Christopher and Lilly thing. She's a naughty girl with a bad habit, bad habit for drugs. Yeah. Oh, that's my favorite song. I love that. Welcome to Mr. G's room.

G's room. Oh my God. Spin around China man. Spin around. Oh, no. Yeah, because it's so much weird. Oh, he's doing brown face in the show. Oh, I remember that.

That's when they were like, bro, the people, the quotes were the quotes were brown face in the show. Oh, I remember that. That's when they were like, bro, you got too much dip on your chin. The quotes were brown face. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Jonah, yeah, there's obviously Jonah. And everyone was like, oh, wow. I mean, he's killing it. So is it OK?

I think the logic back then is like, it's a good impersonation of a Tongan child. It's on HBO. I feel like people are just like, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like HBO can't be racist, bro. It's on HBO. It can't be racist.

It can't be racist on HBO. What do you mean racist? That is really like how Libs think. It's on HBO. Perfect example. He's on HBO. He can't be racist. It's on HBO.

Get him the fuck out of here. I also think Bill Maher ascribes, he's like, I'm on HBO., he can't be racist. On HBO? Get him the fuck out of here. I also think Bill Maher ascribes, he's like, I'm on HBO, I also can't be racist. Right, let me say this, because I dated Superhead for a little bit. Oh, yeah, well. You can say the N word as much as I like. Okay.

That's how he really comes off, because he did really, because you were with Superhead. Well, he gets mad anytime someone brings it up. Yeah. out to the podcast called I hate Bill Maher which my friend will weld in posts and I was was recent guest on Yeah, he goes through Episodes of what the fuck's it called real talk real time Real time? Real time. Real time with Bill Maher in- So not club. Random. Maybe we'll get to that.

I don't know. So random. So random. Again, Christopher Lilly. So- Have you guys ever noticed how random Bill Maher is? Oh my God. Yeah.

So random. Public schools are so random. So random. Oh my God. Public schools are so random. So are they. Oh my God, public schools are so random. And now I'm being educated that I'm not beyond this because you just repeating those lines is still making me laugh. It's hilarious.

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I should, man. I should, but I just can't. Get that shit out of your head. Nazis are back, man, and I got a lot to say. Make room for information about crypto. My name's Jack O'Brien, aka I got that baby jack, baby jack, baby jack. I got that baby jack, baby Jack, baby Jack. I got that baby Jack, baby Jack, baby Jack. I got that baby Jack Riz wearing propeller hats.

That one courtesy of Cleo Universe. I think I was talking about being baby and wearing a propeller hat at some point on the show this week. Anyways, shout out Cleo Universe. Thank you for that. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host. Mr. Miles Okay, look shout out to Nick Semper tyrannous because I didn't realize that horse sweat was like foam Yeah, I do. I know we know it again, that's where we work up a lather comes from. Yeah.

And I can't get it out of my mind. Horse butt sweat is blather. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Anyway, booty, booty, booty, booty. I see Caitlin's reaction there. That face. Mouth agape.

Agaping. Agaping. It's foam. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, horse is sweat and it's foamy? It's fo Yeah. Yeah. Wait, horse sweat and it's foamy? It's foamy. Yeah.

Due to a protein called latherin. No wonder their coats always look so clean and shiny. Shiny. I don't know why I thought horses like panted like a dog instead of sweating. Just foam it up. Even when they're like really gassed, I feel like you never see them open their mouth. They're just like kind of, you know, breathing heavy. They got those big nostrils.

Yeah. By the way, I've been sleeping with the, uh, nostril expander things. Oh, sleeping with the enemy, Julia Roberts, Julia Roberts, his husband from that movie, I've been sleeping with those like no strip things. Wait, what is that? Oh, like the things that on the nose. Yeah. You put like, it was a thing that was like became a big deal for athletes.

I think athletes still wear them sometimes. Breathe right strips. And I always just felt too foolish to like have the breathe right strip would be like, and now I'm wearing, wearing this athletic gear to sleep. But it really does help. Helps you breathe through your nose and snore less. Does the eye black help, though? When you black is helpful. All right.

We're getting the big wad of chew. Wait, is this the adhesive one or that one I see on the Internet with the magnets that pull your. Oh, OK. You've seen the one with the magnets where people clip them on and they're like, and they're like, yo, what? Oh, really next level. Yeah, it looks like it's like a magnetic nose ring. People. That's kind of fun. Yeah. But I feel like I would be too worried about losing the magnets up my nose.

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Lose change. The 9-11 documentary? Yeah, my favorite, my favorite movie. Caitlin, we're thrilled to be joined in our third season. I, I, I usually, I should have said Miles, but I just want you to know Caitlin. Fuck it. We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very talented writer, stand-up comedian, co-host of the Bechdel cast.

You might be getting a sense of who I'm talking about, Caitlin. One of the great film podcasts of all time that just had Alison Bechdel on. Yes. They also happen to have a, our guest today, who you might know, also happens to have a master's degree in film and the most anagrammable name in the English language. So if you've been given their name in a jumble of out of order Scrabble tiles, you may know them as Lauren D. Titanic, nine tit Dracula, Latin dancer UTI. But to us, Caitlin, you will always be Caitlin Durante.

Who's the guest? It's you. Is it me? It was you. It was just a bit. Oh my God. How you been? Oh, you know.

Yeah. Alive. Hell yeah. I hear that. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Alive. Hell yeah. I hear that. Hell yeah. And yeah, it's been great. It's great to have you back.

When all of us are in the guest chair. Yeah. Yeah. Wonderful. I've been demoted. Okay. Yeah, exactly. It's good to have you back where you belong.

Okay. There's a guest we're interested in. Welcome to Club Random. Here where you belong. Okay, new rule. Kailin belongs in the third seat, not the second seat. I love a really good Bill Maher. I love a good Bill Maher impression. I do not got one, but.

You got the vibe though. I got the vibe. I just have that energy about me Caitlin what is what's new with you? Have you seen any films lately? I don't know that we've talked about Paddington in Peru. I don't think we have no I did see it an Advanced screening Wow Yeah, huge deal. You know deal. I have my thoughts about it. We don't need to go into it super deeply,

but I generally think it was pretty good. I was ready to be very disappointed by it, and it is the weakest of the trilogy, I would say. But it's only because you have to compare it to the best movie ever made, Paddington 2, and that's a very high bar. Sure. So, you know, it's still good, not as good as the first two, but I enjoyed myself.

I watched the first 20 minutes with my kids and then I had to leave for an adult engagement. Whoa. No big deal. But I was like, I've got a bad feeling about that none. And they were like, what, why are you saying that? I like to spoil it, make movie predictions, spoil the movie for my kids. And they're like, Whoa, dad, you were right. I don't know.

They're actually not that impressed usually, but any other, any other films that you've been enjoying or not enjoying? Certainly. Um, you know, I enjoyed friendship. Me too. I heard. I laughed a lot. I thought the story, they should have sent me the script for some notes. Always my first note on any film, I think.

Should have sent it to Caitlin. Yeah, they should have sent this to Caitlin. Then I would have been like, who's that? Then what else have I seen? Oh, I watched the ugly stepsister. In fact, that's, that was going to be the piece of media I've been enjoying at the end of the episode. So spoiling it. We'll ask what we'll expand on that when we get to that.

Sure. Yeah, fine. Well, we'll do that later. Yeah, we are thrilled. Just believe me when I say we're thrilled to have you back where you belong in the third seat. All right. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about today. We've got a bit of a movie-centric slate of stories. AMC wants to put more ads before movies,

which is something we've all been asking for. More? That's good. More ads. This is actually, I, this happened to me before I saw centers, the, I, an ad appeared after the trailers before, like, it was like where the Nicole Kidman would go in an AMC, they just had a Lexus ad and yeah, and I was, it was like unobtrusive and like, because they do it right as the lights are about to go down, I was just like, I didn't get up and start throwing things like I should have.

Right. But we've been conditioned to accept like pre-roll ads on video through YouTube and stuff, so I'm sure you're like, yeah, yeah. All right. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. I was, I just, I did stick my finger up and keep trying to hit skip.

I was like, yeah, it's been five seconds. What is go. I was, I just, I did stick my finger up and keep trying to hit skip. I was like, what? Yeah. It's been four seconds. What is happening? But yeah, I, I think that's just generally where we've been conditioned to accept bullshit across the board. That's where we're at as a, as a civilization. Rainbow capitalism is now Earth tone capitalism. If you muted, look at Target's latest colorless Pride collection. It's called the neutral Pride M-neutrals collection.

So we'll just talk about where we're at with Pride this year. We'll talk about AI's secret role in Hollywood. They're already using it, but trying not to acknowledge that they're using it. And just all sorts of good things. There's a MAGA credit card that was released with a fully AI TV commercial. It's all good stuff. Plenty more. But first, Caitlin, we do like to ask you, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are I mean, I had to confirm what

Alright, alright, alright is from All right, alright, alright That's the one McConaughey. I think I said L I V I N earlier Incidentally also from the same character. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, OK. OK. I did not catch that.

That's just the kind of person I am. I like to quote Matthew McConaughey's pedophile character from Dazed and Confused. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But he's a chill one. We're about to cover it on the Bechtel cast and we were communicating with our guest and we settled on it. I was like, how's this time and date for everyone? And our guest was like, works for me. And then I was like, all right, all right, all right.

But then I was like, shit, is that from that movie? Like, I know that's that's something that Matthew McConaughey says. I meant mmm. Mmm. That's actually what I meant. So, yeah, which is hard to type out in a parenthetical pounding chest with. Yeah. The vocal warm up he did for his one scene in Wolf of Wall Street that they were just like, hey, could you do that again? That was weird as fuck. Can we just keep that in the movie?

Yeah. I'd rather not reveal my process. Anyway, so I had to, I thought I was pretty sure it was originally from Dazed and Confused, but I haven't seen that movie in a very long time. So I had to Google it and make sure. And I was right because I'm a genius when it comes to movies. I know everything. I'm a walking encyclopedia, a walking IMDb. That's what you learned from your MFA.

This movie quotes. I learned that. I got an MFA movie quote. Oh, that's great. Your family's asking you after you graduate, and what'd you learn? Oh, that I'm fucking goaded. Oh, OK. Like how? What? What do you mean?

Just like a fucking I knew I fucking was this shit, man. I just fucking even know I bothered this shit. It just told me everything I already knew. Yeah, I wasted so much money. Goodwill hunting. Just like you have any idea how easy this is for me to pick the right movie quote at any given situation? Fucking watch you fumble around and be like, I love lamp when it should have

been all right, all right, all right. I love fucking fools. That's such a terrible mistake to get those wires crossed. I love what you have. People just do that. My god, I hate cool. I love lamp. No. What was that? McConaughey quote? I love lamp. No.

Milk was a bad choice. It's milk was a bad choice. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Oh, what do you love? OK, well, yeah, now this is happening. And they married kickbacks are off that bridge. That was that was Jack. That was Jack.

So bad at this game. Yeah, you don't. Well, you don't have a master's degree. And that's right. that. That's right Idea how fucking easy this is It is to watch us fumble around and fuck these movie quotes thing about getting the MFA Okay, is that you realize there's more than one movie. That's Anchorman. That's right That is also the other main thing I learned.

Kaitlyn, is he talking about Anchorman 2? Is that why? Anchorman 2? Yeah, there is another movie besides Anchorman. Hold on. Yeah, yeah, I know there's more than... There's other movies that are Anchorman. Kaitlyn, what's something you think's underrated?

I, okay, this is something that I personally underrate rather than like something that society under rates, because to me, these questions are open to interpretation and I couldn't think of anything. Oh, believe me, Miles and I do overrated, underrated every Monday morning. And when I tell you that I take some liberties where I'm just like, I don't know, this is a thought I had, how am I going to make them turn this into an underrated? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So you get it. Anyway, but this is true. This is something that I do underrate, which is just acknowledging the positives of a situation, acknowledging what's nice about something. And the reason I realized this is because I have, I have a little, you know, on my notes app, I have a list of like anticipating that I will not be able to think of anything for my over and underrateds.

I'm like, oh, I had this straight thought of thing, of something I thought was underrated. I'm gonna write it down for the next time I am a guest on the Daily Zydeco. A guest where I rightfully belong. So you must have a ton because last couple of times you've been guest co-host. I know. I've been accumulating. This better be that grade A.

But what I was finding is that I had a long list of things I think are overrated and no things I think are underrated because I focus on the negatives of things. For example, when I teach my screenwriting classes, I'm very good at giving notes on something that needs to be improved or something that's not working and I have a harder time articulating like, what is working about this and why? So I tend to just like focus on the negatives of everything. And so I undervalue and underrate in my own life the positives of things. So I'm like, I don't know, I'm just working on it. Yeah. I will say that when you do have an underrated, you can do a lot of, like,

Paddington too, I feel like you really taught the, told the world, like, this is a film that you should be taking more seriously. This is like what Wes Anderson would be making if he hadn't disappeared up his own ass, you know? Like the, this is, and that's what I was like, yeah, this is, this is correct. And yeah, I do feel like you started a movement. So maybe you are also just like really selective and only, only picking the most correct underrated things. Wow. And look at what you just did, Jack. You focused on the positive.

Yes. Of mind. Your underrateds are underrated. I think you're underrated. Suck. Mind blown. I don't know why. I can only focus on the negatives too.

Oh boy. No, I'm the same way. Like I always have a hard time figuring out what's underrated, but to that, but your broader point, like it, I'm the same way. And I really had to like, think about that question about perception being reality of like, when I'm so focused on everything that's negative, I tend to just get fully consumed in a very negative head space and that's like, I need to completely convince myself that like, it's like, let me focus on things

that are made up, but realizing there are good things too, that you also can bring your attention to that, just to even the scales a bit, how about we do three less shitty things and acknowledge three things that are neutral and maybe, Hey, even nice. Wow. That's helped a lot. Cause I felt like I was always like a truck, like bad shit was happening or like I'd make mistakes and stuff like weird, dumb, like just weird shit that would like irritate me would happen more when I was always focused on everything that

was like kissing me off. So yeah, no. And like I will, I'm my own worst critic. I'm always like, Oh, what was, what are you doing? Why'd you do that? Blah, blah, blah. But I never, I never compliment myself. I should start.

Yeah. So hey, listeners, if you have any compliments you would like to pay me that I can plagiarize. That you want to pay me to hear. Yeah, Venmo me. Truly, like, my brain never randomly thinks of something cool I did in high school. It only will be like, that thing that you did sucks so bad.

Do you have like a thing from high school? Think of something that I said or did like maybe not high school, but like, you know, in the past, sometimes recently, I was like, oh, fuck. Like I just smelled a really bad fart or something. And then just, just move along. But I never am like, ah, remember that that was the right thing to say in that moment, you know, damn you killed it, bro. That was actually really good.

Well done. Yeah. I think we all struggle with it, but a great underrated. Uh, what's something you think is overrated? I think that doing everything together, specifically like as a couple or like if you're traveling with people or like just any kind of unit of people who are going to do an activity maybe and like the pressure to do it all together and not be able to like split off if there's a disagreement about what should be done. Just like this like, yeah, the pressure of like,

no, we have to do this together. Or again, if someone's like in a romantic coupleship, they're like, no, I won't do this without my person. I have to do it. We have to do everything together. I think that's overrated. I think people should feel free to branch off, break off. Tell me who's catching a subliminal stray right now. That's what I want to know. I should just be able to have fun on my own.

Maybe you don't have to bring your partner this time. I don't know. I get that it's new and exciting, but please. I get the thing too. Like when you go to like a theme park too, when people go like, like motherfucker, I hate that ride and I'm going to be an asshole if you force me to go on it. Why don't you do that and I will go have a churro and I'll be right here. Well, you're done.

This is absolutely fine. But people act like no, we have to do this together or like The one good thing I feel this and like I feel like I've had experience where I'm like guys we have cell phones like we Yeah, we're still living like we're in the pre cell phone phone era. Cell phones have ruined fucking everything. Just at least enjoy this extra luxury of just being like, yeah, we can fucking split off. I can put my hood up and go ghost protocol like I like to do sometimes on family vacations. Wow. Damn.

Go full Luigi on them. No, it's okay. Daddy's going ghost protocol. You can tell because his hoodie just went off. You mean he's having a panic attack in line for the ride So he just put his hood on the stairs at his phone. I'm going ghost protocol y'all Really spicing up the fact that you're just feeling kind of off about shit, so I gotta go ghost protocol up the fact that you're just feeling kind of off about shit.

So I got to go ghost protocol. I'm off this. That's great. No, I go girls protocol all the time. If I'm like traveling with someone and they want to do, they want to go to like some fucking museum that I don't give a shit about. I'm like, great. You go do that. I'll go do this other thing.

We can meet up later for dinner or whatever. Like quick question. Totally random. Who is the last person you went on a trip with? Completely unrelated to this. Totally unrelated. We're just curious. They're listening right now and they're crying.

No. Well, when I went to Ireland a few years ago with my sister, and she was under the impression that we would do every single thing together, but she kept wanting to do things. There it is. I didn't want to like, that's not how I wanted to spend my time. So I was like, if you want to, by all means. And I think she learned some independence. Right.

And then, and I learned how to, you know, clearly, but considerably establish some boundaries. Yeah, yeah. Advocate for yourself. Yeah. Experience for all of us. Yeah. Oh, cause you said you and your, and your sister's personalities are pretty different, right?

Quite different. Yeah. Okay. I do remember you saying that. So this tracks, okay. Love you though. Yeah. Love you, Sarah. She's not listening. She doesn't care about anything I do. Okay. Maybe we could have done a podcast together, but you don't want to do that.

All right. Anyway. It is good that we have this new piece of evidence because I think a lot of... Jamie was on last week talking about going to the Snoopy Museum, and I think people would have been like, Caitlin, do you want to go to the Snoopy Museum? Oh, yeah. No, no, no. I would have gone, but I wasn't invited. No, I'm kidding.

No, everything is fine over there. Yeah, no, everything's great. Love you, Jamie. Just wish we spent more time together. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. This week on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, Maren Morris is here. You came out of a marriage, you came out of quote unquote country music, and you had a huge growth spurt from what I can tell.

I realized I was expanding and growing at a really fast pace. And yes, you could throw motherhood and the postpartum thing, learning about myself. There were a lot of identity crises going on, but I realized I can't look back and slow down for people. I want to set my own pace, and I will sacrifice my comfort to move at the pace that I have worked really hard to move at. Literally everything that could change in your life happened in like five years for me, and you know, it was a slow burn. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Camp Shane, one of America's longest-running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results.

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We're back. And AMC trying to put, they've created a fun, I just like the degree to which this is irresistible to marketing people. And like I read it and I was like, oh, this is happening. There's no stopping this. This is a fucking freight train. There's nothing that's going to stop this. They've created a new ad spot that goes between the trailers and the feature presentation. And they're calling it the platinum spot.

Right before the start of the film, baby. Love to see their offerings when they go out to potential advertisers. I mean, there's also the platinum. I don't know if you guys. I mean, do you think they do this may not be ready? It's like platinum spot. It's in a folder. It falls out during the meeting and they're like, oh, God, sorry.

You weren't supposed to see that. Well, what was that? Oh, nothing. You wouldn't be interested. It's like for super high roller clients. No, no, I'd like to. I mean, I guess it's the platinum spot now. It was like that kind of like that kind of like skeezy salesman tactic to be like, well, this is the platinum spot where people will be really angry because this will be the last thing they remember before watching a movie. I feel like it's probably also just knowing how business man brain intersects with anything creative is they probably saw,

they're like, look at how people are responding to this Nicole Kidman thing. That thing is in the platinum spot as a phrase I just came up with. And they really seem to respond well to it. And so, so just using the transitive property to be like, people are responding to this Nicole Kidman spot because it's in the platinum spot. Therefore, anything in the platinum spot will be responded to as if it's a iconic meme. Do they not realize that's what it as if it's a iconic meme. Do they not realize that's what it is? It's a thing like marketing, businessy people.

They always take away the wrong message. Exactly. Every day, the wrong message. It's like, I see it has to just go right before the movie. I always think about that. People are paying the most attention. I always think about the two heads of the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson who was the musical genius and then Mike Love,

who was just a guy who was like, people like songs about chicks and surfing, man. Just that argument and Mike Love obviously the like backing of the labels. And so when like Brian Wilson turned in pet sounds, he was like, I'm sorry, guys, this sucks shit. Like we were better than this guy's got dang French horns on it. What the fuck is this? A bunch of fucking dogs barking.

Yeah, they're they're pet sounds. I'm sorry. You're fired, man. It's like the Barbie movie when it came out and was a huge box office success. Now we need a poly pocket. We're like, oh my God. Well, people love movies based on toys. So let's do a Hot Wheels movie.

Let's do a fucking play mobile movie. Right. All that shit. Is there going to be a, there's not going to be a Hot Wheels movie. Let's do a fucking Playmobil movie. Right. All that shit. Is there going to be a, there's not going to be a Playmobil movie, right? Well, not yet until I write it. God, that would, they're like, they're the most stiff of like the block toy people. I'm like, bro, hell no, bro, the Playmobil, that's a fucking hell. Yeah.

Well, that's the same thing where they're just like, we just need a Barbenheimer. Basically. We just need two movies to come out on the same weekend. Because remember then everyone was like. We can pull up my toe into a weird. Yeah. Well, how many, how many minutes of commercials are there now? Cause I typically, I always give myself 10 minutes because I'm like,

you can always be 10 minutes late. So I am weird. Uh, my wife talks about how like the only, I'm, I'm usually a fairly late person, just like that. I run late naturally. Right. The one thing that I am never late, I'm like 45 minutes before a movie, I'm like, we better get going. We better hit the road here.

She's like, what the fuck? You weren't this on time for my birthday. Every time we're going to see a movie. But final destination bloodlines. Bloodlines, we gotta get there. And I don't know, I just, I need the trailer. Like I love the trailers. We gotta go.

I hate to do this, but I will go Ghost Protocol on you. No, I don't need to tell her. At that point, I just put the hood up. She knows. She knows. Ghost Protocol time. So when you say how many minutes, so, because there are ads before the trailers start. I'm saying, okay.

And then 25 minutes of trailers usually. So yeah, so what I mean is like, if it says it's a 1.30 showing, that means that shit starts at 2? Pretty much. That's so disrespectful. I know. You know what I mean? It infuriates me. You can't play it.

And I love trailers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I don't know, make them shorter, show fewer of them. Don't make me sit through more than three minutes. The variability of it is what is frustrating. The fact that sometimes, like, the Weekend Barbie came out, we were like, well, we can get there a little bit late because it's going to be five hours of trailers.

There was like two minutes of tra- it was like we missed the first scene because of the fucking tra- yeah, like they just- there's no real logic to it. This is- this is actually- there's a bill that somebody's trying to get past where like movie theaters have to tell you when the movie actually starts. Oh really?? Oh, thank God. The start time for the presentation, but then we need a feature presentation start time, which I'm on board with. But it also, when they mentioned it, I was like, like that, that sounded like science fiction to me. Like anything that is based on just like valuing consumer and just like human beings experience

over like the money making possibilities. I'm like, well, that's not our timeline. That's a different world that would never happen. Democrats. I know you guys are looking for a low hanging fruit because you don't want to contend with the real shit going on. You can, you can take on terms and conditions. We've all talked about how we hate all the fine print.

We can talk about now legislation around when a movie will start that will probably poll very well based on what we've read about Democrats. You're like, well, if it polls popularly, maybe it's a policy we can go after. But those are the highest hanging fruits for Democrats because they require them to do something that would anger corporations. It is like an impossibility for them. Yeah, they'll throttle it back. What if we gave a 15-minute window where the film may start?

Yeah. What if we lied and said it was this time, but then they came and they still had three Lexus ads to watch. Oh yeah. Well, that's going to mimic- The Lexus ads told a story. The Lexus ads are the movie. When you order a couch or something

and they give you like a delivery window of like eight hours when it might show up. They should do that for movies. Like, oh, there's an eight hour window when this movie could start. Yeah, that's probably where we're headed. But it seems like it's going to be unpopular but like not unpopular enough for brands

to not take advantage of the platinum spot. Yeah. I think we're- I just remember in the 90s in LA, there were only two things that were not trailers that would play before the movie, or three, the one would be just be the general ad for the theater you're at. The other one would be a Coca-Cola polar bear spot. Or like the, let's all go to the lobby.

Yeah, that kind of thing. And then the one they played a lot in LA were these LA Times commercials about like weird shit on movie sets. Like little, it would be like little vignettes from a movie set where like a PA would be like, hey, I need a spinner over here stat. And the guy's like, what's a spinner going all the departments on a set? Like, what's a spinner? And they get to craft services and it's like a

wooden coffee stirring thing to. He's like spinner and then like mixes the coffee and he's like, Oh, and it's like LA times it's like, we know the biz. So you don't, it was like that kind of shit. Oh yeah. LA times. Fuck interns. They're stupid as hell.

Right. Fuck them. Yeah, it is random. It does feel like now that they're doing this, I'm like, it's kind of miraculous that they didn't do this 20 years ago. That they've just been having ads for other movies, which makes sense to me, but then ads for the movies in general and the concession stand.

Like it just feels like from another era, like stop motion popcorn guy is gonna tell you to go to eat popcorn. There's, when you go to a movie in a different country, ever heard of it? No. Maybe try it sometime. Okay.

Wait, what are you saying, Anchorman somewhere? Yeah. Or Anchorman 2. Yeah. What? Anchorman 2. You keep saying. Speaking of this trip to Ireland, I went on with my sister.

I went to the movies in Ireland and instead, well, I think in addition to ads and trailers, they also have like PSAs where it's like, here's what to do if you fall through thin ice and like, here's how not to drown or like, it was just like, and I was like, wait a minute, it was like survival tips. I was just like, hang on. Like the better hint of the people who are watching it. Yes. And I was like, we should do that.

Unbelievable. I don't know if you're falling for a crypto scam. What? Oh, thank you. Here's what to do. But it's actually sponsored by Crypto. You know it is, baby. It's America in the Platinum Spot.

Come on now. Brought to you by fucking Doge. Bathing ape. Brought to you by crypto.com arena. All right. Let's continue talking about cool marketing and the world that we live in. It's June, which means it's time of the year when corporations trot out their ill-conceived acts of self-serving, performative, LGBTQ allyship, a la Burger King's 2022 Pride Whopper.

Yummy. You guys remember this one? This was a Whopper where- I think this was in Austria, right? In Austria. We might have never talked about it yet. You could either get two top buns or two bottom buns. So I am looking at the picture and I didn't realize what I was looking at until you said You could either get two top buns or two bottom buns.

So I am looking at the picture and I didn't realize what I was looking at until you said this. And wow. The two bottom buns looks good. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's reminding me of like Texas toast a little bit, you know? Oh yeah. It looks like a... Is the bottom bun buttered?

It looks like a sourdough Jack. Yeah, it does look like that's what I'm thinking. The top one too bready. Also completely irrelevant. It's very round. But if you're into that. Of course, yeah. Two bottoms. I'm not okay with that.

I'm okay with everything, but not okay with people who are into two hamburger top buns. That's where I draw the line. So is just like a traditional bun with a top and a bottom? Are those for just like verse? I know that's what I mean. Well, so that's the confusing thing because that's not how like we you can't the two bottoms and two tops. Yeah, that's not fun. But then they were like, oh, so, so this is, this is a quote from someone who said, when I first saw the burger, I thought it was a joke about two tops or two bottoms. It took me a little while to realize they were supposed to be representing same sex

couples by having same type buns paired up. You absolute dumb. Fucking swish from the logo. Not a single person from that communities in that fucking marketing like meeting never heard the phrase tops and bottoms. Yeah. They're like, it's like the two girl ones and the two boy ones. Yeah. Yeah.

They're then I'm sure that's how someone said it too. Okay. Wait, is, is the top rounded bun, the quote unquote girl or boy, like which one's which, what are they trying to say? And that's up to your interpretation. That's how cool Burger King is that they don't even tell you.

It doesn't matter. Hey, to us, it doesn't matter. We don't judge. It doesn't matter, Burger King. Whatever weird stuff you're into. Just do it behind closed doors. I mean, look, this burger looks fucking freaky. I'm not going to lie.

This looks fucking weird, but hey, whatever you, we love you. We're Burger King. Buy it, please. But you don't know what you got until it's gone. You guys, a phrase that I just made up. The right is celebrating the fact that stores like Macy's and Target are like this Pride month are not given, like the front page is just Father's Day shit, they have Pride stuff, but it's like buried on the website.

People post, people post like from inside the Target, they're like, look at this year's display. It's gone. We're winning America. And you're like, look at this year's display. It's gone. We're winning America. And you're like, Jesus Christ. I mean, Target's losing money though. So. Take Target.

It has a Pride Neutrals collection, which is pretty wild. It's a Pride clothes that are just like, like skin tone. Like they're just all like beige neutral, like, I don't know. Like it's just. There was one that there's like a t-shirt that just has a rainbow tag at the bottom hem. Yes. And they're like, that's pride.

They're selling a pride sweatshirt that has a, that's just a beige hoodie with out loud and proud written in tiny print on the string. So they're saying out loud and proud in like a way that seems like it's an act of satire. Wow. Well, I mean, this, this all tracks because you know, how the cowardice of Target with Trump coming into office, they're like, no DEI, no nothing. No, no, we're, we're against everything now.

Is that what you want Trump? Meanwhile, black people have completely boycotted Target and many other people have too, but like it's, and there are constant calls to continue the boycotts for Target and it's, it's showing up in their bottom line, they're like year over year foot traffic's down, revenues going down, but hey, I'm, is this what you, is that good for a business to have people not come anymore? Right.

Wouldn't they try to course correct? You would think, but maybe this is their way to be like, maybe they'll be okay if it's just like the most sort of obscure subtle version of pride because that's what pride's all about. Just doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keeping it under wraps and not being out and loud and proud. I read something that the CEO took like a huge, had to take like a huge pay cut

because of the loss of revenue. So that's nice. Yeah. To please the shareholders. I'll take less money. So, you know, we'll, we'll save some things there based on the fact that we've upset pretty much all non-Republican voters. And probably doing massive like stock buybacks to enrich themselves or, you know, something along those lines.

I don't, I don't really know what a stock buyback is, but you know, how those C-suite people are able to always figure something out. Golden parachutes, you know, just Imagine that I know what I'm talking about. These clothes are so ugly. I'm looking at this Yeah, really like and to have out loud and proud written only on the drawstring is so so wild It's but yeah, I mean they are afraid of reprisals from some type of people. You know, they're afraid of Trump targeting them.

They're afraid of Trump supporters doing what they did with Bud Light. And because those tend to be the people who maybe show up in their social media algorithms more so than, you know, people of color or working class people, that's probably the thing that hits hardest with them would be my guess. You know? Yeah. Cause they, they don't seem to be worried about target boycotts or anything. They just seem to be worried about is Donald Trump going to be mad at us? Brave, brave.

So I mean, bailing on the kind of cringey promotions isn't the end of the world, but the bigger problem is they're no longer sponsoring Pride events. Like Pride organizers in the US have been dealing with a sudden massive budget deficit this year due to normally reliable companies withdrawing their financial support. NYC Pride is down $750,000 as a result when it comes to like planning and funding their celebration, which that's what's them just being cowardly and like moving the display to the

back and moving the Pride messaging to the drawstring is like, I see the corporate logic there, but then also just being like, we're also not going to provide any money quietly. They can't be tied. Yeah. That's why it's so offensive. I'm like, yeah, fuck these places.

When they don't even have no courage at all. Again, I think it also, like you said, it reveals how performative this shit is to begin with, because if it can be fucking in a snap just taken back, y'all were never about it to begin with. But unfortunately, that does mean that people take a hit. But also, what do you think happens in these cities when they have Pride Fest people come in to congregate?

And I'm sure the money people know that creates revenue. They're spending money. Yeah. But again, they'll just do this to please such a slim minority of people who will just post to libs of TikTok or some shit. And they're like, sorry, we just can't handle this. We can't handle it.

What we can handle is our bottom line being negatively affected by boycotts because people are upset with our backwards policies now. Yeah, Pride is like the biggest day. Like they, it's some of these play like Airbnb has estimated that Pride festivals bring in 77 million nationally to like hosts. Lyft has reported that Pride has an even bigger impact on demand for ride shares than a Taylor Swift concert. Columbus Pride brings in 16 to 18 million for Ohio's economy each year, but they're not doing it.

And it's an especially bad time for these organizations to be running out of funding because they need way more money because they're having to spend extra money on security in order to protect people from the right-wing extremists that those companies are worried about offending. Which is frustrating. And those are the ones that we have a lot of evidence of massive acts of violence being perpetrated on the LGBTQ community. You know, everyone, we're always taking lessons this year. I hope one is to know that these companies don't give a fuck about anything except for their bottom line. And that's just, don't ever fucking, don't ever stop. Like like we all I feel like 2025 is year

But you have to stop falling for it stop the market based like the markets gonna correct and the companies aren't gonna allow for a Dictatorship to happen because that would be bad for their bottom line like those people have all been shut the fuck up like right Yeah, they all got in line Everybody got in line with their Maca flags. Everybody got in line. Yeah. There's a whole list of companies here that just bailed on, you know, and Anheuser-Busch, which has been sponsoring pride in St. Louis for 30 years backed out.

Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucked up. Cowards. Cowards. I mean, they were doing it when it when it yeah probably wasn't that popular but now now they're uh they're backing out so yep but it's it's just i mean the the the funny thing

is all this shit that they try to do disappear like the contributions of black or gay people in this country and like changing the names of fucking battleships. So I fucked up, not change the name of this Harvey milk ship or doing something else. Or it's all it really does. I mean, in a way I think they believe that merely just seems like very superficial. Things will completely push back people and make them ashamed or something, or not feel like this isn't a place where they can exist. But on the same time, there was this article article I think that we shared on the footnotes

for earlier this week that was talking about how this has set off a bunch of smaller pride events that are completely sort of separate from this corporate version where people are merely as human beings coming together to celebrate and have their own events. So, I mean, it just shows you, like, even if you want to try and cut off, like, the corporate head of these things, it's not going to stop people from celebrating their communities and things like that,

which is what they want. But again, it's not, sorry, that's not happening. Yeah. I mean, queer people are very good at finding community and choosing family and like getting together and making their own, building their own communities. So yeah, that's going to happen. Without the help of Anheuser-Busch? Anheuser-Busch, yeah.

No! I just don't know how I'm going to do it without Anheuser-Busch. Or Comcast. God, what a blow. Damn. Yeah. Yeah. All right. let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. This week on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler. Maren Morris is here.

You came out of a marriage, you came out of quote unquote country music, and you had a huge growth spurt from what I can tell. I realized I was expanding and growing at a really fast pace. And yes, you could throw motherhood and the postpartum thing, learning about myself. There were a lot of like identity crises going on, but I realized like, I can't look back and slow down for people. I want to set my own pace and I will sacrifice my comfort to move at the pace that I have worked really hard to move at.

Literally everything that could change in your life happened in like five years for me. And you know, it was a slow burn. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Camp Shane, one of America's longest running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results.

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Have you ever thought about going voiceover? I'm Hope Woodard, a comedian, creator, and seeker of male validation. To most people, I'm the girl behind VoiceOver, the movement that exploded in 2024. VoiceOver is about understanding yourself outside of sex and relationships. It's more than personal. It's political, it's societal, and at times, it's far from what I originally intended it to be. These days, I'm interested in expanding what it means to be voiceover, to make it customizable for anyone who feels the need to explore their relationship to relationships. I'm talking to a lot of people who will help us think about how we love each other.

It's a very, very normal experience to have times where a relationship is prioritizing other parts of that relationship that are being naked together. How we love our family. I've spent a lifetime trying to get my mother to love me, but the price is too high. And how we love ourselves. Singleness is not a waiting room. You are actually at the party right now. Let me hear it. Listen to VoiceOver on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action.

And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on everybody's business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chafkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters and how it shows up in our everyday lives. With guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy

some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to everybody's business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We're back. And the AI train just keeps it rolling. Choo-choo. And over here, we're excited. What if we just like one day just went fully like an AI is good.

AI is awesome. You start noticing little like glitches in our voices. Listeners know it's because I'm trying to rebuild a burnt down home. If you see me starting to be like, I can't even, I'm so sick. I mean, I mean, so this is, This is my soul leaves my body. This is kind of an attempt to do that from a famous creative, Natasha Leone,

who, you know, from things like Poker Face and Russian Doll, whatever you want to call it. American Pie, like all the way back. But I'm a cheerleader. Yeah, but I'm a cheerleader. Yes. Very, very good. Whatever happened to Kip Perdue? Who? Wasn't that, wasn't that?

Nevermind. Go on. Sorry. Didn't mean to. Anyways, uh, she is the co-founder of Asteria, an AI production studio that claims to be an artist led ethical AI film and animation studio, and they are launching with a movie called Uncanny Valley that will be made by combining AI tools with traditional filmmaking techniques, describes itself as an art, the production company just describes

itself as an artist led ethical AI film and animation studio. The news has obviously sparked a backlash, prompting her to clarify that the movie won't omit any department heads or production designers or cinematographers. The AI is more like a green screen or something like that. Wow. The way that's written, it's like they write the way she talks. Yeah, it's like a green screen or something like that. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's not too bad.

It's like, this is a weird move for an actor. Yeah. Yeah. That's not too bad. It's like, this is a weird move for an actor. Yeah. Well, especially when you have people like Joseph Gordon Levitt, who are like, this is going to take away the incentive for people to even create or want to strive for something if we, if AI takes all over all this shit. Yeah. They claim that it's like trend on only what like licensed content. trained on only what I like licensed licensed content.

However, when you ask other companies like how, how you, why, why don't you just like use licensed content? They're like, that would be impossible. Like none of this is possible with just licensed content. So remains to be seen how that's actually working out because it's all very, it's the same, but that's what the chat Jeep, the open AP open AI lady said a few years ago when they were talking about the like, it's actually through like license, like agreements that we have with people and then it came out that it wasn't.

It was just, yeah, that was on the internet. They love to say this shit's license. Should be noted Astieria was founded by Leonie and her boyfriend, Bryn Mooser. What? Yeah, that's right. What a name. Bryn Mooser. B-R-Y Bryn Mooser. What? Yeah, that's right. What a name. Bryn Mooser.

B-R-Y-N Mooser. Mooser. There's no, like, I think maybe it's Bryn, like, I don't know. Ah, no, it's Bryn, sorry. But that's a Mooser, if I've ever seen one. Mooser. Mooser, who is a tech bro whose mentors include Bob Iger and Elon Musk. So in case you were wondering where this idea came from.

Right. And who was telling her like, now this is fine, what are you talking about? Oh my God, they're being so weird. Natasha, run. Natasha, run. They're running an op-on.

Although I don't know, maybe you do believe this, but like when this guy, I like how this dude was described as a quote, serial entrepreneur. I know that's like a thing they say is good. Like that's, that's what you want people to introduce you as somebody who doesn't do was just like, we'll fucking try and make anything fucking happen by any means necessary.

I'll tell this lady, I fucking love her. Okay. I don't give a fuck. Who just tell me who the best person to have on our side is. Who is it? I'll make it happen. Yeah, AI. For sheer tyranny of will.

Going to AI, AI, who is the best celebrity actress I could use to help sort of Trojan horse the idea of an AI company in Hollywood being a good thing? Hey, Natasha Lyon. Also, the company describing itself as being an ethical AI film in the animation studio. There's no such thing as ethical AI. Based on the environmental impact alone, but on then also everything else, but no such thing. That's why everything they say is bullshit.

You didn't train it on licensed material. This shit isn't ethical. You're just saying all the things to try and neutralize those first instincts people have when they hear about AI in a space anywhere, because people are going to be like, Oh, that's just going to probably, you're going to be firing human beings and they go, no, we didn't even get rid of any department heads. It's nothing like that. And then it's not even trained off other people's copyrighted materials. And it's also like ethical and it ethical and it's cruelty free and organic.

It's vegan. Non-GMO. Corporations can't say ethical if it's not ethical, you guys. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. No, it's the opposite. They would never say ethical if it was actually ethical. They would only do something ethical by accident. If it's horribly unethical.

Yeah. One of the big. The controversial people are like, do something ethical by accident. If it's horribly unethical. Yeah. Well, one of the big, uh, so the controversial people are like, this is bullshit. And then Natasha Leoni, who was neighbors with David Lynch was like, I actually talked to David Lynch and he signed off on this project. You motherfucker. He said, I asked him, Hey, David, what do you think of AI? And he said, uh, Natasha, look over there.

This is a pencil. Okay. Everyone has access to a pencil. And likewise, everyone with a phone will be using AI if they aren't already. It's how you use the pencil. You see, and, uh, that may be true. What does he mean? Yeah.

You just stab your teacher in the eye. Everybody's going to be using AI, which may be true, but it doesn't mean that he's thought through the ethical implications of its use or that everybody's like, that he's fully up on the environmental impact. I'm sorry. I don't know if David Lynch was in the right state to really be fully answering the question about the future of AI.

Also, this is just her work. Somebody was like Natasha Leone the next time she's asked about AI and just showed the poster for a weekend at Bernie's because people were like, kind of weird to be. Yeah. Using David Lynch as your shield here. A beloved, dead filmmaker as your puppet for saying that this is cool. Yeah, we can't ask him to clarify. It's kind of perfect, you know, to put words in a dead person's mouth like that.

And like, cause you have enough plausible deniers. Like, well, first of all, I'm his neighbor. We were neighbors. So of course I was talking to him and you're talking about my neighbor right now. That's my neighbor. David Lynch. You're talking about, he said it was okay. It's a pencil. It's a pencil.

Okay. Very cool pencil that will burn the earth down. But people within Hollywood are saying that AI is already being made or being used to make a lot of content. It's just, they're not admitting it. So it's like a thing where, like, for instance, a costume designer will get a job and they'll have to like turn something around really quickly. And so they'll have the AI generate the idea for them.

And then instead of turning that in, they will then hire an artist to draw the thing, the AI generated and then be like, voila, original creation. Drawing. Original human idea. Original human drawing. And then they're like, oh, but isn't that worse? And they're like, yeah, but nobody notices. That's just what is happening like across the board, I feel like.

Well that, and like that they are using NDAs for people like when they are using AI yeah fucking tell anybody we use a I'm a fuck you up because we can't have the unions coming at us like it's so fucking underhanded and I'm you know I'm not surprised like that it's already creeping in more and more and more just not enough fucking hooray type of way. Yeah. This one, a storyboard artist, storyboard, um, storyboard artist said, quote, and if your back's against the wall, it's tempting, even if the result is of dubious quality and dubious ethical makeup. And I feel like this is exactly what.

Everything is going to like all jobs are just going to be people using AI to create C plus work. And there's just no penalty for turning in C plus work. And so it's just like, everything's going to get shittier in a way that will be pretty I mean, everything already has gotten shittier, you know, and like nothing happened. So once we let them get away with that, and now, now that you could just like turn it over to a fucking automated C plus machine, like you're, we're, we're just going to see everything turned to shit and we're not really going to be able to like describe what's happening. It's the idea of like putting a bandaid on the problem, but not treating the problem itself, because the problem is like putting a bandaid on the problem, but not treating the problem itself

because the problem is like everyone's overworked and underwhelmed and there's deadlines and because of capitalism and we so we just have to like churn out shit that AI generates to like meet the deadline or whatever and rather than like oh, let's Let's I don't know, dismantle capitalism so we're not all like killing ourselves trying to get work done that doesn't even fucking need to be done in the first place. We've just invented all of these whatever fucking arbitrary, totally fabricated assignments and deadlines and all that.

But Caitlin, I just saw what the Hulk v Thanos fist fight should have, how it should have ended up because someone made that on V03. Oh, and it was all worth it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's what's so funny to me. Thank you, AI. Hollywood should have been the first fucking line of defense against this shit to be like, this is going to fucking kill us further. Well, they have been in all the movies that are like,

hey, AI killed us. Written by normal people, studio heads, you know what I mean? Where they're like, ugh. Again, I'm like, why aren't we remembering, you know, The Matrix, Terminator, all the movies where AI is the villain. AI. AI. The Matrix, Terminator, all the movies where AI is the villain.

AI. But I think, you know, because like, we talked on trends yesterday about this commercial that was made fully with AI. And it again, it looks like shit. But you can based on what a video looked like a year ago, like, and if this is where we're at now, I can't imagine in another year from now what it's going to look like. But that's a direct threat to the $250 billion a year TV ad industry.

Like if people can just start cooking up shit like this, and they're not even seeing that part of it. They're like, well, we can get away with underpaying people or using less people we have to pay by using AI without realizing that the proliferation of it is creating an existential threat to everything you do, because now anyone can shit out this crap. But go ahead. I guess, I guess you'll just have to find out as you fuck around. No, it never works that way. Yeah. Nah, we fuck around and then it just keeps getting better. No, soon we're all going to be just like working at those whatever

fucking cooling data centers and like, I don't know, throwing buckets of water on the drinking water, fresh water. And that'll be all of our jobs. Sips before you want AI users. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, if you work at the data center, cooling rooms, you actually get to sip the water that you throw on the computer.

I steal sips all day. That is that how they're getting water? Unlimited sips and unlimited days off. Whoa. You're going to love it here. But they don't pay me. Yeah, it's the sips. They pay me in sips. That's what it that's what our future is. Anyway, sorry. Yeah. I know.

It does feel like that. Like, uh, uh. Anyways, good time. Yeah. It's going to be good. We're going to figure it out. We're going to figure it out. Caitlin, such a pleasure having you as always on The Daily Zeitgeist.

Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Oh, you can follow me mostly on Instagram and you can, I have a screenwriting, an intro to screenwriting class that starts in like early mid-August area, a couple months from now. If you go to my website, CaitlinDurante.com slash classes, you can find more info there and you can register if you're interested. What else? That's pretty much it. I mean, listen to the Bactel cast, etc. You must.

You must. So good. You must. Is there work of media that you've been enjoying? Yeah. I had mentioned the Ugly Stepsister, which I think came out in 2024. I don't know. It's a recent film. It is the Cinderella narrative,

as told through the lens of The Ugly Stepsister. So we've done the wickedization of The Ugly Stepsister. It's a body horror movie. we've done the wickedization of the ugly stepsister. It's a body horror movie. Oh no. What happens to them? I don't know. You'll have to watch and find out. Oh no.

I really liked it and I picked it because I once again couldn't think of anything else because I don't go online. I don't see what people are posting on social media except for, I mean, piece of media I've been enjoying, Caitlin Johnstone's entire feed and all the stuff that she says about how Israel sucks and all of that. Anyway. Yeah, I thought you don't go on social media. I mean, that's, my feed is literally on Instagram's, it's news about Palestine and it's cat videos. Okay.

It's those two things. Balance, balance, balance. Yeah. Miles, where can people find you? Is there work media you've been enjoying? Me? Oh, you can find me at miles of gray everywhere. Uh, you find Jack and I, the basketball podcast, miles of

junk, I'm at Boostees, Friday, and the 90 day fiance, we're 20 day, for 20 day fiance. My mom said I should mumble less in the outro. So I'm trying to be more eloquent and more eloquent. Your mom listens? My sister doesn't listen to me. My mom listens and gives a lot more feedback than I'd like from someone who doesn't podcast, mom. Anyway, yeah, that's where you find I'm on the is it is she may be passing along

feedback to you to bro she will she will my mom will not hold back. She will hit you with a direct note if she wanted me to give you a check. Because I remember early on early on, my mom's big note was Jack always sounds nervous. And then just on me in general. Yeah. She goes, is he nervous? Is he nervous? This is like the first, I remember the first, like first

year of the thing. And then year two, she's like, Jack is, he's not nervous anymore. I can hear it. He's like, the show is so good with the two of you. And I'm like, and she's like, but you have to stop mumbling and saying things that don't make sense So this is a show called nervous nervous and shit the guy who makes no sense

That is happening all the time nervous and mumble mouth. Thanks mom Gotta love a little bit of immigrant parent feedback on something that's become your life's work. Okay, a couple of things I like from blue sky just on the Elon Musk and Donald Trump saga At Nikki MCR that piece guy that social posted. It's like watching the shittiest couple, you know break up in the mall food court Yes, it is that another one siege at siege dot online They should invent a pill that shrinks you down to the size of a teeny little guy before long flights stretched out on a tiny beach chair pitched on the seat, nibbling a peanut the size of your body, drinking a Bloody Mary out of a thimble, etc.

And then at McDonald, you can monetize that. We call it the platinum pill. Yeah, the platinum. Oh Yeah. The platinum pill. Oh, God. So tiny. This is how we're going to get. Man, housing crisis solved if we can fit 42 million people in a studio apartment. Well, there's a movie about this.

First class in a pill. Is it a Matt Damon movie? Downsizing. Oh, yeah, downsizing, right? Yeah. A movie that I should have been so, like I was raised on, Honey Honey I Shrunk the Kids. I think it was like a famous director was making it, Love a Matt Damon, and did not

watch it and have never once been told like, oh, you should have watched that one. Alexander Payne. That's who it was. Alexander Payne was like, what if like, Honey I I shrunk the kids was like moody and for adults. What if I follow up Nebraska with this? Is it way to that director? Yeah, yeah. He did.

I was getting him and David O Russell confused. Anyway, and then the last post I like chase at Madar.beesky.social posted because we're talking about Karine Jean-Pierre's new book Karine Jean-Pierre far from being a turncoat has stayed true to the essence of our institutional Democratic Party Self-seeking careerism welded to embarrassing incompetence. I have no doubt the former colleagues denouncing her feel this and are cheering her on Yeah, yeah You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien on bluesky at jackobby, the number one.

Tweet I enjoyed at two thick scoops tweeted just the Gmail summary from you know how the iPhone will give you or your phone will give you like a Gmail summary of what's going on in your inbox. And it said Gmail Jersey Mike's's going on in your inbox. And it said, Gmail, Jersey Mike's order pick up at 1248 PM, semi-colon, Dutch government collapses over migration dispute. He said, OK, sounds good. Thank you. We need something to talk about when you get into Jersey Mike's.

And I do enjoy the images there. I could never recreate that account. This one was question two of two. How often would you like to get updates about cheddar cheese? Never. Only if something big happens. A few times a year, a few times a month they have only if something big happens. Just got to know if something big happens with cheddar cheese. You can find us on Blue Sky and Twitter at Daily Zite Guys. We're at The Daily Zite Guys on Instagram. You can go to the Blue Sky and Twitter at Daily Zite Guys, we're at The Daily Zite Guys

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So, Wet Leg, you know, hot off the Shays Long. Shays Long. Just fever that captured us the last couple years. No song has more changed the way I pronounce Shays Long. Than Shays Long. They got a new single out called CPR, and I'm really digging it. So this is the new single from Wet Leg, CPR. Quet Leg. Yeah, I liked that album, totally forgot digging it. So this is the new single from Wetleg CPR.

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