The Daily Zeitgeist - Alexa, How Will I Die? Post-Barr Pre-Mueller World 3.29.19

Episode Date: March 29, 2019

In episode 359, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and They Tried To Bury Us podcast co-host Tamer Kattan to discuss AI predicting death accurately, why we were skinnier in the 80's, what we will be doing differently since the Mueller Report, Billboard deciding Lil Nas X isn't country enough, TGI Friday's being sued over fake potato skins, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. AI can predict when someone will die with unsettling accuracy2. Why It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s3. Fox Pundits Spent Months Questioning Mueller’s Trustworthiness. Now They’re Taking His Word as Gospel.4. Mueller grand jury 'continuing robustly,' prosecutor says5. HOLD THE PULITZERS6. @RepAdamSchiff: "You might say that's all okay. You might say that's just what you need to do to win, but I don't think it's okay. I think it's immoral. I think it's unethical. I think it's unpatriotic. And yes, I think it's corrupt and evidence of collusion."7. Lil Nas X’s ‘Old Town Road’ Was a Country Hit. Then Country Changed Its Mind8. TGI Fridays sued by Bronx woman for ‘fake’ potato skins9. Jordan Peele on Making Movies After 'Us': "I Don't See Myself Casting a White Dude as the Lead"10. WATCH: Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (I Got The Horses In The Back) [Visualizer] Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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New episodes every Thursday. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 75, Episode 5 of Do Your Daily Zines, guys! Season finale. This is the podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Friday, March 29th, 2019. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. I want my daily Jack, daily Jack, daily Jack.

I want my daily Jack, daily Jack, daily Jack. I want my daily Jack, daily Jack, daily Jack. Miles Gravy. Jack's glib. That is courtesy of Trite Gang. Collabo with Hannah Soltis. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gravy. Yeah, you know, I want to thank all the listeners. This is Macy Gray.

I host the daily Zeitgeist. It is dope. Always firetanks. I'm not humble. Even when I'm high, it's clear. Miles Gray runs this shit right here. Yeah, wow. Assault is handed for that one. Her voice is mad raspy. Shout out to

Macy. Not related. Just for the record. Oh, for real? Yeah, yeah. A Her voice is mad raspy. Shout out to Macy. Not related, just for the record. Oh, for real? Yeah, yeah. A lot of people think we are. Well, that changes everything. And UC Berkeley basketball player Ed Gray. Also not related.

Yeah, not related. And the only reason people ask about him, he's in the same class as Jason Kidd. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious comedian and the host of the They Tried to Bry Us podcast, Mr. Tamer Katan. Yay. What's up? Thank you, guys. Welcome back. That was a pretty impressive Macy Gray. Thank you. No joke, she was at the Ha Ha Cafe not even a month ago, and she

went up and did a set. She did comedy. Oh, shit. She goes like this. She walks up to the stage and she goes, Listen, I just got two jokes. And then her friend in the back goes, You got four, bitch. And she was so

nice. She took pictures with everybody. She was super sweet. How was her set? Pretty good? Nah, I mean, they were kind of like dad jokes. It was like knock, knock and two dudes walked into a bar type. But with her voice, she's such an interesting person

and just her speaking is cool. She just deserves to be on a stage one way or another. Totally. She was there for like three hours. She sat through two different shows. I think she's researching comedy or something because she was really into it. Interesting.

She didn't do three hours like Dave Chappelle. No, she did two jokes and told her friend to shut up about the other two. What did you get for her? What did you get for her? I was just calling her out. Tamer, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking about today. We're going to kick things off on a health and wellness tip, because robots can predict when you're going to die.

So don't go to the doctor. With startling accuracy. We're also going to talk about how the just firmament of reality is now tipped against us, because we are, by default, two pounds fatter than we were in the 80s just without eating the same number of calories. We're going to talk about how that's possible. And then we're just going to do a check-in with the Mueller report with the media's reaction to it, how we are dealing with that reaction,

all that shit. We're going to talk about Facebook banning white nationalism and how that problem has been solved and a controversy on the Billboard country chart. But first, Tamer, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Okay, so my most recent internet search was, I've become a new fan of RuPaul's Drag Race.

Yeah. And I'm deep. I'm like, I'm deep into the B-sides. And so I looked up the history of She Done Already Done Had Herses. Oh. She Done Already Done Had Herses. And it was really cool.

RuPaul talked about how they left a club in Atlanta one night and they went to Crystal's, this chicken spot in Atlanta, and some girl went to grab food and she goes, Uh-uh. She Done Already Done Had Herses. And now it's a part of Drag Race history. And some girl went to grab food and she goes, huh? She done already done had hers. And now it's a part of drag race history. So it's like, so I, I've been Googling a lot of like RuPaul and drag queen slang. Cause I, I'm a big fan.

I mean, 90% of our slang comes from drag queens. Right. So much. So much. Comes from shade, getting dragged. Right. Getting red. Like there's so much.

I had no idea how much culture was being impacted by drag culture. Yeah. I didn't know RuPaul was tight with the B-52s back in the day. He was in Rock Lobster. He was in the music video. They came out of the same scene in Athens, Georgia. Oh, shit. And REM, all those people were hanging out together.

It was so cool. Creating the entire 80s. But yeah, RuPaul is incredible. One of my favorite, there's like one B-52s video I watch a lot on YouTube. It's them doing Private Idaho live. I don't know why I love that. Because you're living in your own private Idaho. Is that a real song?

Yeah. You're living in your own private Idaho. You're living in your own private Idaho. It sounded like a white person and doing an impersonation of another white person. Yeah. Like the way they pronounce it. Private Idaho.

And that was a kid I loved it just because I thought it was Fred his way of speaking just as a kid I thought it was so if you see a faded sign at the side of the road and you're like whoa over enunciation hitting the shit out of those syllables

hell yeah sir hitting the consonants extra hard man by the way the episode with Amy Miller on that song on Punch Up the Jam is so fucking good. People should go check that out. What is something you think is underrated? Long Island Medium. Long Island Medium, damn. I love that show.

I'm a skeptic, big time skeptic, but there are not that many great actors in New Jersey. You know what I mean? There just aren't. You mean Long Island? In Long Island, I mean, sorry. You're right. It's Hicksville, technically. I mean, because New Jersey, I know great actors.

You're right. But I was like, dude, she's got something. I don't know what it is. Haven't you seen her get utterly just stumped, though? Wasn't there like a thing where someone tried to corner her with some like, she was caught out not fully mediuming? Yeah. Oh, wow. I mean, to a certain extent.

I mean, I think a lot of it is good guesswork, but I don't know. I like to leave room for magical shit. When you dabble in the occult, I'm sure there's sometimes when it's bullshit and you're just trying to, you're like, it's an awkward conversation essentially where you like promise to do some shit that you couldn't pull off,

but like you don't want to disappoint the person. But then I'm sure there may be other times when I actually don't believe in any of it, but like if you did believe in it, that could still be an argument that, yeah, sometimes it's bullshit. I don't want to believe in it and my brain does it, but my heart keeps going, come on. Yeah.

You know? Yeah, the producers, man, they got you. It's pretty compelling. I love her hair. I mean, I believe in her hair. Right. Something's keeping that hair up. Something's keeping that hair up.

She's evolved her hair. Yeah, over the years. Yeah, her daughter became a hairstylist, and her daughter, I think, is so funny. She's, like, just naturally weird and funny. She's on the show? She's on the show, yeah, and she's super funny. And is she a medium? No, she's just a regular girl who complains.

She's like, I just wanted to buy cupcakes, Mom. And she's in there reading the cupcake cashiers, talking about her dead brother. Oh, wow. And she's like, I just wanted a cupcake. Just need to eat these red velvet cupcakes. Trying to talk about his uncle. Yeah. But there's got to be some sort of supernatural explanation

for how high and just consistently large her hair is on a regular basis. Yeah. It's unbelievable. She's impressive. There's something that she does have a gift. Is it speaking to the dead? I don't know.

But there's a level of like empathy and being able to read people or read energy or whatever. There's something that she does. Yeah. I get the label. That's kind of impressive. Yeah. There's like a whole world of sort of carnival barker type, like tourist trappy like entertainment people who like used to you know be a big deal in their little corner of the world like back in the day when people would just like travel

through a town and check shit out and then uh you know we don't have a record of those people so we're going to be the first culture that has a very uh thorough record of our people who have that like ineffable gift that's like, huh, yeah, I guess they do have something. I can't really say what it is. There's not a word for it. Yeah. And her nails and hair are fucking fire. Her nails are bananas.

Anyways, what is something you think is overrated? You said they were fire, huh? Yeah. I like in Jack's dreams, he's like brushing his like. Well, I'm just picturing like I'm giving a lecture in the future, like as a historian of this time. You know. Ben, you have the hair and the nails though. Exactly.

In your TED talk. That's right. What is something you think is overrated? The phrase get her done. Uh-huh. Like I don't say what's up anymore. Right. But get her done has been around in like country culture for way too long.

They keep using it. It's not clever. All right. The people that yell out get her done are often people who are unemployed. Yeah. What are you getting done? Okay. You didn't get anything done.

All right, man. Leave me alone. It makes me very upset. Just because I say it a lot. Yeah. Right before we walked in the studio. Yeah. He's like, all right, let's get her done. Okay. You didn't get anything done. All right, man. Leave me alone. It makes me very upset. Just because I say it a lot. Yeah, just right before we walked in the studio. Yeah. He's like, all right, let's get it done. That's how we open every recording.

Did Larry the cable guy invent? That must be like a colloquial phrase. I refuse to believe that. I don't think Larry invented it. I think Larry put a collar on it and made it his. Oh, it's the Marine Corps. Oh. Is it a Marine Corps thing?

That's what Nick Stump is claiming right now. And I agree, the Marine Corps are a passing fed. They should evolve that language too. That's like a, if the Marine Corps is a nationwide brand, that would be like a nationwide anchor person using a regional slang. It's not right. Yeah. I love your outrage over this. I'm upset. What is it about it? Like, let's really not right. Yeah. I love your outrage over this.

I'm upset. What is it about it? Like, let's really unpack this. Okay. Is it the culture that it's coming from? Is it the phrasing itself that rubs you the wrong way? Here's what I hate about it. I think some of the hardest working people in the world are immigrants.

And I feel like the people who embrace the get or done phrase are like talking about hard work. And it's like, no, you don't own hard work. The people that you claim to hate, those are the people who really deserve get or done phrase are like talking about hard work and it's like no you don't own hard work the people that you claim to hate those are the people who really deserve that title damn so i don't like that get or done because one it's a stupid phrase and it's bullshit like the people who say don't embody that mentality they're not hard workers they're people who are entitled interesting i'm brown yeah damn Not yet. That was a much better way of explaining that than I was expecting. Oh, really? Yeah.

Okay, good. That's very, very smart. I just don't like divisiveness at the end of the day at all. You know what I mean? When I visit the Middle East, I defend America. When I'm in America, I defend the Middle East. I went to college in Europe, and in Europe i defended america in america i defend europe i just don't like people hating other people based on like bs stereotypes even the one that i just used to

explain how much or catchphrases yeah but i get it your whole thing is look bro if you don't get her done get her fucking done get her done exactly i'll use it cheaply it's like a homeless guy wearing a shirt saying billionaire in the making. No, you're not. Wow, yeah. You're like, okay, just because you drank a keg, you didn't get her done. Exactly. I'm tired of people pointing to shit but never hitting home runs. Yeah, oh, wow. Don't point at the back wall.

Damn. Unless you got a bat in your hand. No, you got the wild immigrant kid mentality right now. It's like shit my mom's just like, oh, it's celebrating already. You did shit. Earn that shit. It's my fifth birthday. I'm tired. Oh, really?

Yeah, what have you done in your five years? Yeah. What's this word? Pneumonia, idiot. He's silent. Fall the fuck back. And finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true? Oh, man. So, I don't know how this ended up happening, but I went into this deep internet dive into

time travelers and the most authentic people or closest to proving that they're real. And there's a guy who goes by the title of Citizen 3014. And he's from the year 3014. And I'm really getting into the idea of time travelers and did. Okay. I'm sorry. Go on. So I, I think, uh, this myth of citizen 14 is something that needs to be investigated more deeply. Wow. I think they used to suck, but they time travelers have absolutely stepped their game up. I think their predictions are getting better. I think the outfits are getting more sassy. I think the planets that they're talking about,

where they came from, and not just this guy, but also the guy that talked about the Biovians on the Howard Stern show, Riley Martin. Okay. I'm not familiar with his work. Well, he sells these, he'll design like a symbol, like a Native American symbol. He was an old black man, but he wore a Native

American headband. Okay. And then he would give you symbols and the symbols were like invitations onto the Biavian spaceship. Oh, okay. Has anybody ever

taken him up on that? Well, he passed away, but he was a lunatic, man. He had a radio show. Did he pass away or did he transcend this? Just his physical existence. Right.

His physical existence passed, but on the planet, he had 14 kids by aliens, but on earth, he only had two sons. Oh, wow. And during his radio show, he hated the idea to pee so much, so he just started peeing while doing radio, and you could hear him peeing in a bucket. Oh, no. He's amazing.

So your whole thing is like, so from that point, the time traveler brand has begun to really become a little more sophisticated. It's starting to feel real. Oh, no. He's amazing. So your whole thing is like time. So from that point, the time traveler brand has begun to really become a little more sophisticated. It's starting to feel real. Oh, right. It's becoming, it's more sophisticated and simultaneously feels more organic. Right, right. Could he continue talking like in a straight line while peeing? Because I think that would be like some sort of magic trick. It's impressive, right?

Yeah. What do you mean? Yeah. Well, because like, I think your brain is not designed to just be like- Talk and pee? Talk and pee. Yeah. It's like patting your head and rubbing your stomach in a circle.

Well, I got a new slash for you, Jack. Oh, wow. I've been peeing the last fucking five months on this show. The whole time? Yeah. Just quiet. And I'm always blaming it on the dogs that people bring into the office. That's right.

I'm like, damn, Andy peed on my chair again. Huh. I need to do something. One last question about Citizen 3014. I just want to take a wild guess here. Did he step onto the scene in 2014? Because that was the- God, you're good.

That kind of branding. You're like the magnum PI of the internet. How did you know that? He's just, wait, for real? Yeah, a lot of these time travelers are not great with math. Yeah he's like he's like 2014 oh this would be trippy i'm i'm i'm sitting in 3014 he did go pretty a pretty even steven number i will tell you none of them talk about their technology right they don't talk about it but i will talk to you about one quick thing is so one time i did mushrooms while listening to Riley Martin.

And then my friend and I went for a walk and we were staring at the Tower Records building. I think you told me this before. Did I tell you about this? Yeah, that's crazy. And I stared at it my whole life. I've never noticed anything, but there was an irregular pattern. On the blinking light. On the blinking light.

And then when I was sober, I looked it up and it actually spells Hollywood in Morse code. Oh, yeah. I think we talked about this last time. I'm so excited. I use it too much. Dave, I just want to help you out. You know what I mean? I don't want people to think you're a one-note guy.

Just like, you have Tamron, we had to talk about time travel and looking at the fucking blinking light again. Well, they're all connecting now. Yeah, right, right, right. It's like mushrooms, time travelers. Long Island medium. These time travelers are distinct from the ones who show up in pictures from the past. And it's like, oh, Nicolas Cage was in this picture from 1892 or whatever.

I think those were toe dips. Okay. And now these are people getting in the jacuzzi with us. Okay. Got it. Toe dips. Interesting. That's the time travel.

Those are toe dips, Jack. Right. And then- 2014 toe dips. And then for actual time travel, we use the grossest metaphor. Yeah, Mr. Thornton. Of getting in a jacuzzi together. He's full jacoo.

Jacuzzi. Jacuzzis are pretty gross. And now we're's full jacuzzi jacuzzi jacuzzis are pretty gross and now we're going full jacuzzi yeah um all right guys let's talk about ai the movie no not the movie ah okay i don't really have much to add then there is a ai uh that like is using machine learning to basically predict when people are going to die. So a group of scientists... Great. Jeez. I mean, this makes sense. It's like, it is now.

If you've ever done a life insurance policy, you know there's an entire industry that is just devoted and constantly updating its methods of trying to find out when you will die, most accurately. And they can make a lot of money on like adapting, you know, how they evaluate the data that you give them. So scientists in the UK took 500,000 people between the year 2006 and 2016 and fed a bunch

of different variables that they were able to get from those people into a bunch of different systems, and then asked those systems how likely were those people to pass away from 2006 to 2016. And this algorithm was able to identify the people who would die with 76% accuracy. So in total, how many people died at the end of that 10-year study? At the end of the 10-year study, it was 14,500 people, which is just like in keeping with... Sure, just people's lives or whatever, right? Yeah, they died primarily of cancer, heart disease, respiratory diseases. And so it's really interesting for a couple of reasons. First of all, that's insanely,

like all the models that doctors and insurance companies have been using up to this point are usually below 50% accuracy. And so they got up to 76%. And they also said that the variables that the AI was able to determine were the most beneficial to determining if you were going to live or die were not the ones that the other models emphasized. So the other models looked at age, gender, smoking history, prior cancer diagnosis. And another one of the other models looked at body fat percentage, waist circumference, the amount of fruit and vegetables that people ate, and skin tone. And this AI determined that it was mostly useful to know exposure to job-related hazards, air pollution, alcohol intake, and the use of certain medications. Damn.

Yeah. And those are the top, wow, those are the departures from the traditional models where they're like, hmm, that's how we'll figure it out. Yeah. Those were the things that jumped out as like the AI determined that that would tell you how likely people were to die. It's strange that the survey size was so massive. Right. Right?

I think they picked a massive number in order to make themselves look accurate. Right. Like if you told me here's 50 people guess all their favorite colors, I probably wouldn't get, I probably wouldn't do that well. But if you told me here's 500,000 people guess their favorite color and I picked blue, I'd probably have a much more impressive number. Yeah. Sure. But when you have a data set that big, though, and you can repeat it over, like, what? So 76% of 14,000? That's pretty good. But here's what I mean.

Death is all individual to us. But then they do a sample size that's so big that it's no longer about individuals. It's about a population. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's for sure. It's so bizarre yeah and who are these 500 000 people that said yeah i want to know when i'm gonna die oh they agree or so no

they were just giving uh it was basically they agreed to be part of a health study that's gnarly i don't like that yeah i i mean i don't think they were identified or anything they hauled them up they're like hey you dead yet oh well you might want to get that bucket list going. Right. I think that's where you look at that 76% accuracy. I wonder how much just sort of, you know, what insurance companies call acts of God or something would factor in. Well, yeah. I mean, one of the things that was unexpectedly predictive was on the job hazards. Like if you have a really dangerous job, if you're, like, working in a construction place, like, I'm sure there are, you know, you're exposing yourself to a ton of different opportunities

to have an act of God or accident-type thing happen. Or a nail gun. Yeah. Right in your head while you're trying to shoot some cans. Like, actuaries, I do think this is going to be a place that AI is going to stun us within our lifetime because actuaries are just constantly iterating on this. to figure out better methods for figuring out when we're going to die or you know how being able to predict how risky people are uh different lifestyle choices are and so we'll i think does it say who funded good at that does it say who funded it i mean it's the insurance companies

you uh well it was in the uk i think so i think they tend to have better rules about stuff like that. But yeah, so that's good. Also makes me feel better about my fruit and vegetable intake. They found that wasn't that predictive of whether you're going to live or die. Yeah, just workplace hazards. Yeah. And then another study that's just interesting. And then another study that it's just interesting. It says that they looked at, I think, 36,400 Americans between 1971 and 2008 and the physical activity data of 14,419 people between 1988 and 2006.

They grouped the data sets together by the amount of food and activity, age, and BMI. And they found that a given person in 2006 eating the same amount of calories, taking the same quantities of nutrients like protein and fat, and exercising the same amount as a person of the same age in 1988 would have a BMI that was 2.3 points higher. In other words, people are about 10% heavier or fatter than people in the eighties. Why? So the theories are like, they were just like chemicals, like chemicals that we've been exposed to. Thanks scientists.

It seems like we're getting better at identifying those. They said also it could be medications that were, you know, we've changed a lot, be medications that we're, you know, we've changed a lot the medications that we're taking. And then the microbiome is the thing that I think is an underrated aspect of human health is, you know, they're doing things like poop transplants that really help people with all sorts of diseases. And it sounds crazy, but a lot of our digestion and the whole machine of our body is determined by this entire biosphere that's living inside your gut. And it's a very complicated thing that we haven't really studied that much.

So poop transplant is when I go to a music festival and I fish people's shits out of the porta potty. No. Take them home. No, that's not. What do we call that? A weird fetish. It's very transplanting.

So I think what we need is we need one of our time travelers to take poops from the 80s. Thank you. Bring them forward to us. See what I'm talking about? And then transplant the 80s poop into our poop and all good yes we can wave of the future so to speak uh all right we're gonna take a quick break we'll be right back Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th 2017 was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look

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Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And so we wanted to just do a kind of a leisurely check-in with the Mueller report. check-in with the Mueller report. We've learned it's over 300 pages, which is way longer than the two sentences we have quoted in the Barr summary. It's probably more than that. But yeah, there's a whole lot we haven't read. But in the meantime, people are continuing to deal with the fallout of the Barr summary. The right has repeatedly spiked the football. The Fox News is

in dredges of the world. Oh, they're loving it. They are ba-da-ba-ba-ba. Ooh, wow. They're loving it. I mean, if you look at also, too, how the coverage has changed, Daily Beast, a few people were comparing. It's like, that's weird. You spent the last two years saying Mueller was a hack.

Right. And then now it's like, yo, this guy's fucking the savior. Right. Just listen, there's just a quick mashup Daily Peace put together of how the tone changed very quickly on Fox News. Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is a pack of partisan hacks. We can't trust anything coming out of the Mueller investigation. Mueller is not only out for blood, he's out to save his own butt. If you think you can trust the upcoming Mueller report, think again.

How are we supposed to trust that Robert Mueller, this investigation is on the up and off? I'm proud that we were on the right side of justice these last year and a half. I don't trust Mueller. The Mueller report came back with no collusion and no obstruction. You should never trust Robert Mueller. Mueller has proven he cannot be trusted. He clearly found no collusion. Special counsel Robert Mueller is corrupt.

How can you ever trust a Mueller investigation? Robert Mueller's partisan, extremely biased, hyper-partisan. Robert Mueller's team is hyper-partisan. Mueller's hand-picked minions are a bunch of Trump-hating, Hillary-loving, partisan hacks. Special counsel Robert Mueller and his partisan hacks. I just don't trust Mueller and his team. I'm not sure I trust Mueller's team. Never have.

Mueller's report on Russia election interference finds, as we have been telling you, zero collusion. They are a gang of partisan hacks. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. So that's funny. And I think there are other versions of that with primarily MSNBC people, you know, saying some wild over the top shit about like that. We now know with like perfect clarity that Trump conspired and that his kids are going to be let out of the White House in handcuffs. And so a lot of things have changed, I think, on the extremes.

What's changed for you? Well, I personally don't think it's useful to claim Trump is an idiot or to evaluate him as one, whether he is or not. He has like a certain genius in what he does. Like the no collusion thing was just very shrewd. He redefined the argument to what he knew would work for him given the facts. And doing all of his bad stuff out loud, like the obstruction of justice out loud, was also very shrewd.

Like he's good at, for whatever it's worth, and whether it's just complete instinct and like a broken brain, but he is good at playing this particular version of the media very well. And I feel like the media got played very well by him. Or yeah. Or just,

yeah, I think the, the hyper focus on the word collusion, definitely. I mean, I don't know if he's, he does have a instinct for sure. Yeah.

On how to do it. Yeah. Genius. There's different kinds of genius. But yeah, he could be the evil genius. He's definitely in the category of evil genius. I think the liberals have a tendency to have a better Rolodex of artists, and that's why you can see it when we have a Democratic president win.

We've got really talented artists that support, and I think conservative parties have a great pool of people who are great at corruption. They're excellent at corruption. Liberals suck at it. And the fact that the Mueller report even had to happen is a mark on this president. The fact that people did get arrested already, just because you didn't get a grand slam doesn't mean that all the other people around him that he claimed were good people were proven to be traitorous towards our country. Not to mention he was an unnamed, unindicted co-conspirator in another crime. Exactly. And again, I think it's even people are so quick to just take the William Barr summary as what the actual Mueller report is. And I think that's, people need to pump the brakes on that and constantly be telling for people

who just sort of watch the news in a very like unengaged way to really remind people of that. Because a lot of people are just like reading the chyrons and being like, oh, Mueller report, no collusion. Okay, no conspiracy. Okay, so there must be none. They're watching it the way I,

I think a lot of people watch politics the way I used to watch cricket. Like I didn't know anything about cricket. I don't really know. Test cricket? See, I don't know. I was in Dubai with a friend and all he told me was, this is our team. Right.

I'm not going to explain all the rules to you, but this is our team. And anytime something happened, I didn't even understand it. I just went, oh, well, that's our team. So I'm going to root when something is positioned as good for our team. Everyone on my side is cheering right now. Exactly. And I think that's what a lot of these people are doing. They've turned, they've made us tribal. It's the exact opposite of what

this country is about. The word united is the most critical word. And that's the fact that he's dividing the country and the Fox News displays news the way they display it. It's just, it's so un-American. Yes. I would say, like, I won't be any less suspicious of his administration.

I won't be any less, you know, completely suspicious of Fox News as just a mouthpiece for a very cynical point of view. Like Glenn Greenwald from The Intercept intercept who's a leftist journalist like he got a lot of things right about the muller report and was like voicing a lot of concern about some of the stories that were being reported and not corrected when they turned out not to be true but then he went on tucker carlson the other day and with tucker carlson was like you guys got it right they were just like you know jerking each other off for fucking getting like a couple parts of the story right it's just like yeah like sometimes a broken system or like a broken clock is going to be right twice a day

so to speak like that's that's how fox news was right on a couple of the stories but like to to go on there and congratulate them is, I think, inexcusable for somebody who's supposed to be trying to... We're in a point in our history where we're at war over the truth. And to go on the primary mouthpiece for distorting our reality

and congratulate them on getting a couple of the details wrong is pretty inexcusable isn't muller republican yes yeah and they kept saying he's hyper by yeah he's hyper partisan i mean again this is who he's republican i think that is their art form is like this in addition to corruption is like knowing how to play this media game like setting expectations like they they invented the thing where you portray the person you're about to have a debate with as the greatest orator since fucking well i think that's trump's real genius yeah how he plays the media is that he owns one of the biggest networks right yeah that helps whatever he says they repeat without question yeah amplify that yeah exactly that's why he's so good at it one trend i'm seeing is that uh the right is using the idea that there was no evidence that

the trump administration colluded with russia to a degree that was criminal uh there are apparently counterintelligence probes that are saying you you know, that's a lesser bar for proving anything. You don't need to like prove it in a criminal court for it to be an intelligence situation. But I'm seeing people on the right then acting like that means that Russia didn't interfere in the election they're basically using the this wave of energy in the news cycle to then be like and that's all that's patent yes like in Coulter did a had a story on her website which big fan always first first sight that I check in the morning but she was you know listing all these MSNBC statements that now look crazy. And so alongside ones where they're saying the Russia conspiracy to help Donald Trump get elected was apparently wider,

deeper, dirtier, more sophisticated, more pervasive than we thought was right alongside ones where it says that Trump colluded. And it's like, no, one of those is true. Trump was helped by Russians. The Russians explicitly interviewed him. They just can't prove that there was someone on the Trump side of things coordinating with the Russians to help this thing out. He did it on TV. He stood in front of a TV camera and said,

hey, Russia, get those other emails for me. He said it in front of everybody. And I think this is where it gets a little tricky because collusion isn't really something that has a proper legal definition. And by trying to chase that down we're already playing a flawed game. Which Trump created.

Well here's the other thing. For any girl that's ever dated a guy who's a cheater and I think a cheater is part of his nationality. I don't know get that part but any as any girl any time traveler will tell you uh the molar report is not the end it's the beginning any girl that's ever caught a guy that she was suspicious of him cheating on her and if it if it if it were if it merited an investigation and the guy got out of it it it was the beginning. Right, right, right. He was going to get caught at the next thing. Shit's coming.

Yeah. Every talk show I've ever seen somebody go on that says, I think my man is cheating, dude was cheating. Right. Well, I don't know. I saw a couple more episodes where that wasn't the case. There's a couple more. There's a couple more.

I'll give you that. I'll give you that. You were telling the truth. Oh, shit, I told you. I think this is the beginning. My favorite murder, it's always the husband or boyfriend. Right. It's just always, yeah. Yeah, and I I told you. I think this is the beginning. My favorite murder, it's always the husband or boyfriend. Right. It's just always, yeah.

Yeah, and I guess also it's even hard to even say that anything is incorrect because everything we do know amounts to a lot of talk and back and forth and communication between the two sides just because it didn't reach the level of criminal coordination or conspiracy is one thing versus, you know, like not having the laws to properly define like that. This behavior is like absolutely has no there's no room for it in our system. That's a great distinction, actually. He knows how to play the law. He knows how to play with lawyers.

And there are legal mistakes that he he found ways to prove that he didn't break. But ethically, ethically, he's broken all of them. Right. And then again, just to talk about this momentum, right, he gets the bar, okay, William bars the Mueller report, and uses that to say, oh, I'm totally exonerated, everything's

all good, and then goes full gear. Like, he turns this shit up to 10 about being like, okay, now now send memos out to newsrooms being like, ban these people from ever talking again because they were caught lying. That's not true. That's not even close to being what the case is. Or, you know, having a rally last night in Michigan to just basically be like, hey, no collusion.

Like this has definitely energized the president in a very bizarre way where you're like, you can't. That's good though. No, of course., you can't. That's good, though. No, of course. Because then he'll get confident. No, right. And again, even with health care, put out the thing with DOJ saying, yeah, we're going to defend this ruling in Texas to the Supreme Court that Obamacare should be completely just gutted. So the momentum is taking him in a weird way and then you now have you know republicans and the house uh intelligence committee telling adam shift to resign because he was saying he's like there's a lot of clear evidence that

something was going on and it was really bizarre to see immediately how like all nine republicans on there just signed a letter being like oh you need to resign for like lying even though devin nunes was doing the fucking most uh to actually obstruct this investigation as much as he could. And then, I mean, so credit to Adam Schiff. So what, who told it, who asked him to resign? So all the Republicans. It was all the Republicans, but it was Conway from, Mike Conway from Texas, who was basically

just saying, we have no faith. Like he pulled up in the committee. He was like, we have no faith. How many Democrats are on the committee? I'd imagine nine also oh okay yeah and then he's the got it but now that yeah he's but now he's the chair because you know the democrats are in power um so his rebuttal to this was actually pretty good because they were really trying to spin this as like when we were running this committee everything was done in good faith we were very honest Devin Nunes wasn't getting stuff from the White House and then pretending he did you know what I mean there was yeah there

was so much bizarre shit going on and just because Adam Schiff was like no there's I smell shit and we have to keep going right using this to be like anyone who even suspected the president is an evil treasonous right like fucking traitor yeah um and we're just trying to figure out what Russia's trying to turn it what Russia did. They're trying to turn it into Russia. Right. James Comey in an interview with Lester Holt was saying, imagine if President Barack Obama was working with the Iranians

to possibly put together a better Iran nuclear deal that would help the Iranians. And you had his national security advisor designate flirting with the ambassadors to Iran, lying to the FBI about it. Imagine if Malia or somebody was trying to set up a back channel with Russia or with Iran, and you're going to tell me the FBI shouldn't look into this? That's unheard of. Anyway, I just want to play Adam Schiff's sort of response to Mike Conaway, because he was like, oh, really? You're trying to act like I'm acting dishonorable? And this was his response. My colleagues may think it's okay

that the Russians offered dirt on a Democratic candidate for president as part of what was described as the Russian government's effort to help the Trump campaign. You might think that's okay. My colleagues might think it's okay that when that was offered to the son of the president, who had a pivotal role in the campaign, that the president's son did not call the FBI. He did not adamantly refuse that foreign help. No, instead that son said that he would love the help of the Russians. That Paul Manafort, the campaign chair, someone with great experience in running campaigns, also took that meeting.

That the president's son-in-law also took that meeting. That their only disappointment after that meeting was that the dirt they received on Hillary Clinton wasn't better. That when it was discovered a year later, that they lied about that meeting. That the president is reported to have helped dictate that lie, that the campaign chairman of a presidential campaign would offer information about that campaign to a Russian oligarch in exchange for money or debt forgiveness,

that that campaign chairman offered polling data to someone linked to Russian intelligence, that the president himself called on Russia to hack his opponent's emails, that the president's son-in-law sought to establish a secret back channel of communications. Anyway, he goes on. This is all facts, he's saying. These are not deniable. These are all things that are out here in public.

People have pled guilty to this shit. Right. And that's the thing that I think is bad faith with even the leftist journalists calling out the media and being like, Russia is our generation's WMDs. It like no they really uncovered some very shady shit right the mainstream media did do some good reporting and to act like the whole thing was overblown just because because MSNBC did like fuck up and like go crazy over it doesn't that's not the direction we should be taking it and like this self-reproach and i

mean even if you want to slightly defend what they were trying to do on msnbc like they were looking at a set of facts and respond like or a lot of journalistic reporting too of things like this and saying this looks so fucking bad i think yeah maybe at times they went from just sort of being like this looks bad to like this is what the whole fucking thing is without fully knowing but again i think even so just to sum up what adam schiff said at the end he said oh you know he listed all that shit and he's like you might think that's all okay and this is a quote from him he said you might just say that's what you need to do to win but i don't think it's okay i think it's immoral i think it's

unethical i think it's unpatriotic and yes i think it's corrupt and evidence of collusion bravo so you know like they can't they have no response to that because they all saw that with their own eyes. It's just now a matter of like, well, how much do we want to, you know, forgive that because we're wearing the same jersey? Yeah. Right. A point that's being made a little bit in sort of the background of this one version

of the story that's out there in the forefront that is like, no collusion, Trump is vindicated, is this point that there are kind of two standards of what the various people investigating the 2016 election are trying to live up to. Mueller was trying to live up to the highest possible standard, which is, can you win a criminal court case? Right. Like, will this stand up in court? Prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there is a criminal conspiracy.

Right. Now, there's also the level of counterintelligence. That's like the CIA gathering intelligence, trying to find out what's actually going on in real time and, you know, establish their best guess at, best guess at what we can put together based on the information that we're able to find out using objective investigation. And people are saying that there are still counterintelligence investigations happening into the 2016 election, into the question that Mueller ultimately concluded was kind of a non-starter from a criminal perspective. But this guy, Frank Figliuzzi, who was a former assistant director for counterintelligence at the FBI, was like,

we never thought that Mueller would bring a conspiracy charge. And focusing on the absence of criminal indictments for conspiracy doesn't really do anything. If all we do is apply criminal standards to investigative findings, we're missing the point. This thing started as a counterintelligence investigation, and it needs to end as a counterintelligence investigation. Right. Yeah. I'll tell you one thing. 300 pages is suspiciously short. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

After all this time, even if it would have said 3,000 pages, I would have still thought that sounded short. It needs to be like a tome that's brought down like on a forklift. Well, yeah. I mean, all the time that they've spent on it and the way the Mueller, I mean, the quote that I've heard most often about Mueller is, you know, when they ask Abraham Lincoln, what would you do if you had two hours to chop down a tree? He said, I'd spend the first hour and a half sharpening the axe. Right.

And that's what Mueller was. Mueller was like associated with that quote. He is a detailed person. He spends a lot of time. He won't go after a case that he doesn't know he can win. Like, it just sounds really, really suspicious. Yeah. Well, I'm

looking forward to getting my hands on a copy. I don't think it's the end. I think it's the beginning. In terms of length, I don't know if that necessarily indicates one thing or another. I think the most suspicious thing on its surface is basically that William Barr was allowed to basically poison the well

with his summary before the actual report came out. I think that is by far the most aggressive in your face. Like, sums up. Right. And it might be, there might be some lies in his summary. Yeah, who knows? And I think that's why, you know, a lot of the leadership on the Democratic side is,

you know, they're saying, we got to drag somebody up here to explain this. Whether it's William Barr or Robert Mueller, like, they need to, you know, we'll do some on the record talking. We can do some closed door stuff but you know the explanation as it stands is not sufficient yeah the way that these people play with lies it's almost like when you're a kid and your mom finds a joint in your pocket you go it's not mine mom it's this other guy's and your mom wants to believe it so she believes it right and it makes me wonder if the the energy and the speed that they went out with their conclusions was because they knew that a truth might be coming out that is going to damage them.

So they said, let's feed a lie that feels better so that when the truth comes out, people will resist it. Yeah. Well, just tell them it's your joint, you know? Yeah. Just light it up in front of your mom. That's the solution. Just be honest. Just be solution. Just be honest.

Just be honest. Just be honest. I mean, that is kind of what Trump proved. He just openly does bad shit. He's like, but I was doing a lot of fuckery, baby. Fuckery is not a crime. Intimidate and threaten witnesses on Twitter. Yeah.

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I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better And we're back. And there is a controversy on the country charts, which we're always staying on top of here on the Daily Zeitgeist. Yep. No, but for the first time,

a song that I might actually listen to was climbing the country charts. It's called Old Town Road. Old Town Road by Lil Nas X. And when I saw this name trending, I was like, might actually listen to was climbing the country charts uh it's called old town road old town road by lil nas x and when i saw this name trending i was like what did nas's son do right i did not know who the fuck lil nas x is because i am an elder uh but apparently this song was blowing the fuck up and it did a very i mean this he's a really young artist uh rapper and this song old town road charted like simultaneously on the Billboard Hot 100, Hot Country Songs, and Hot R&B and Hip Hop Songs.

Let me play just a little bit so you get an idea of where this vibe is. Okay. That sounds good. A little banjo picking, a little guitar picking in the back. to the old town road I'm gonna ride till I can't no more Okay, that sounds good. Little banjo picking, little guitar picking in the back. Uh-oh, but y'all ready for this part?

I got the horses in the bag Horse stock is attached Head is matted black Got the boosters black to match Riding on a horse Anyway. It's an interesting point, though, because it's almost like

he's being satirical about country music, but Republican parties don't seem to understand satire. That's why Stephen Colbert was loved by both sides, because the conservatives didn't realize that he was making fun of them. Right, right. So that song, yes, I would say, yeah, there's some cowboy imagery in there. So that song, yes, I would say, yeah, there's some cowboy imagery in there. Got some instruments, some textures that are country. And then enters the trap rhythm, a little 808 drum kit, a little snare, a little hi-hat chains and things like that. But apparently that wasn't good enough because the billboards, the people who run the billboard charts were like, we're going to pull it. And this is what they said.

Upon further review, it was determined that Old Town Road by Lil Nas X does not currently merit inclusion on Billboard's country charts. When determining genres, a few factors are examined, but first and foremost is musical composition. While Old Town Road incorporates references to country and cowboy imagery, it does not embrace enough elements of today's country music

to chart in its current version. That's ridiculous. Now. That's ridiculous. I have some theories as to why. Yeah, of course. Because black crossover artists, especially in the country, I think they did not like that.

And I think also when you also look at country music, here's the thing. The label calls it sort of this country trap thing. On iTunes, it was under country. I'm sure they submitted it like that. And even other country artists are kind of like, yeah, that's got some country vibe to it. Like, let it rock. Yet they found a way to say, this is not country enough.

And I don't know what exactly the standard is because I can play you a song by Bebe Rexha and Florida Georgia Line that is number three on the country charts. And I mean, listen to this. Oh yeah, I know this song. I love this song. Are you a country fan?

You know what? Some. I mean, I love Johnny Cash. So, to me, this sounds like some straight pop. You know what I mean? This is like an Ariana Grande type beat. But I guess because of the draw or the singing style, that's enough to meet the country standard.

Yeah. Because I'll go, we can skip around this thing. Well, let's get to the skin color of the voice too. I'm hearing the same big bass. I'm hearing the same hi-hats here. You know, trap hi-hats. So dumb. But that's number three. Huh. That song should be Are the artists

white? I don't know what Bebe Rexha's actual ethnicity is but I mean, Florida Georgia line, again they're not Lil Nas X. Yeah. Right. And I think that's really the thing. I think because it's aggressively like, I think people were looking at it.

I don't know who, where the outrage was coming from. They're saying, is he culturally black? Right. Or is it culturally country? Yep. And how do we define that? And also like when you think a lot of country songs I've heard recently have that hip hop like rhythm to it.

Well, you know what else it is? It's almost like you like a girl who likes you until you find out she likes other people, then she's not special anymore. You know what I mean? And it's like these companies, these corporations and these platforms make brands by keeping us divided. What Lil Nas X did was something that was beautiful. He turned America into a fusion restaurant and all of us had, had pieces of ourselves in that song. That's a fucking a fucking beautiful thing it's funny too when you think there are a lot of tweets when that song was blowing up people were like i hate cut like tweets are doing like i hate country and then they put on but when old town road comes on and then like a video of them losing their shit it's a thing where it made it's it's actually crossing over and it's allowing people from

two genres like if you're into hip-hop you're like beautiful oh that's i kind of fuck with this banjo shit. And I'm sure their country will be like, oh, these rhythms are OK. Yeah. What's wrong with somebody reminding us that we're all the same? Well, what's wrong with that? I think, you know, I just why can't they just let let him cross over? You know, there was Cowboy Troy. There was that was a guy who's doing hip hop.

And that would that seem to be fine enough, but I guess because he wasn't signaling enough or showing enough of the touch points or textures aesthetically, musically, that they were like, no, no, no, this is more hip hop. Well, love and inclusion and all of us thinking we're the same is not good for business. And that's why they want to keep us divided and keep us separated and separate our cultures so they can make more money off us. Oof. Citizen 3014. Citizen 3014. so they can make more money off us. Oof.

Citizen 3014. Citizen 3014. Yeah, so, I mean, I'm not sure what... The one thing they were clear on, because Rolling Stone reached out, they're like, what the fuck was that about? They're like, it has nothing to do with race. Oh, sorry. We were just calling to...

Yo, I thought I left my wallet up there. What? I bet the article was titled, I'm not racist, but... Yeah. I'm not racist, but this just doesn't have enough country elements that I've decided. Unbelievable.

But you know what? Lil Nas X, keep doing your thing because Old Town Road. I mean, this is definitely good for the song because I hadn't heard that shit before this controversy. When it was one of those songs that was cooking on social media like TikTok, there was a Yeehaw challenge people were doing. I've just been so busy, I haven't on tiktok yeah i know you're i know i know it's just and you're the tent you're posting is not what it used to be oh man don't say that i know because you used to you used to whip and yeah you're gonna get my fans really pissed off yeah on tiktok do the nay-nay and all that uh- them, folks. Are you on TikTok? No.

Motherfucker, I don't know what TikTok is. We're going to get you an account, though. All right. Let's add another hero to the board alongside Lil Nas X. We have the person who is suing TGI Fridays for their potato skin chips. Potato skins chips. I don't know if y'all have seen these, right? It's a TGI Fridays chip bag, and it's like,

TGI Fridays potato skins chips. Everyone's seen them. Especially if you get high, you've definitely seen them because you bought them because you thought maybe this could be like a potato skin. Well, tell that to Solange Troncoso of the Bronx. Get it. Because she is fucking taking TGI Fridays to motherfucking court. Because she's basically saying that, look, this is not actually a potato skin.

It's labeled potato skins, but this is just a, quote, mishmash of potato flakes and potato starch. And in her suit, she states that she purchased the bag of the TGI Friday sour cream and onion potato skins from a bodega for $1.99, but claims that she wouldn't have done so had she known the product didn't contain real potato skins. Why doesn't somebody just give her $2? I know.

The dude at the bodega should have just given her a refund. That's great. But you know what? But good for her for calling them out. People take liberties with the population companies take liberties good for her for saying this isn't right that's not true i'm gonna go all the way and i really feel this in my heart though because i did the same shit like in college high as fuck being like oh yeah this shit sounds good like potato skins and then you're like it's like it really is like how like a pringles chip is it's not like a laser you can kind of. And then you're like, it's like it really is like how like a Pringles chip is.

It's not like a laser. You can kind of like, oh, that's from a potato. It's like, oh, you compressed potato, whatever. Like they said, mishmash of potato flakes. It's like getting catfished by a chip. Yeah. You're not a potato skin. So, you know, do you, Solange?

I mean, do they have pictures of the actual TGI Friday potato skins on the bag? No. That would be a... Well, that would be completely off base. Right. I think that's where they're probably, you know, they're doing that little gray area walking the line collusion thing. Right.

Just being like, we'll put potato skins on the text. But you look at the chips, they're sad as fuck. Yeah. They look sad as fuck. I mean, they just look like they're like elongated potato chips. Yeah. I mean, look, Tamron, look at that. That's not a potato skin.

That's not a potato skin at all. But the word, it really evokes an experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, close your eyes and pretend. Think about our potato skins as you consume these subpar potato chips. And put this potato starch. That's like me calling myself Afro Tamer. And the girl's like, you're bald, man.

I'm like, it's just a name, bitch. It's a state of mind. It's a state of mind. All right, guys, let's talk about the Jordan Peele controversy. Oh, my God. Oh, it's over for him. It's over for him. Yeah.

I mean, poof. What? I mean, look, you do so well. The whites have had it. You put two movies out that fucking cements your place as a powerhouse in Hollywood. Yeah. And then he had to go. I think he was talking to Ian Roberts or something at UCB.

There's this discussion. And this was the quote that fired up the culture war machine. He said, quote, I don't see myself casting a white dude as the lead in my movie. Not that I don't like white dudes, he said, nodding over to his moderator pal, Roberts. But I've seen that movie already. And then the crowd erupted, blah, blah, blah.

He said, it really is one of the best greatest pieces of this story is feeling like we are in this time. A renaissance has happened and proved the myths about representation in the industry are false. And so people were like, but people just take, wait, I don't see myself casting. So he's anti-white.

Right. And he's just all, okay. Even though his mom's white. Okay. Well, hold on. We don't know for sure. I don't know. What I see is a black man.

Let me see a birth certificate. He also didn't say anything about white women. He's just saying there are a white men as in leads and films men as lead in films are overrepresented that is his prerogative as a fucking director now uh and that he can make the films that he wants and i'm sorry that he's taking representation seriously and saying yeah i want something that is more indicative of the the world i want to see or the world I see. And again, it's his right as an artist.

The people were like, again, you know, the comments were so predictable. Like, what do you just guess? Just sort of based on the logic the right uses when things like this come out. And I'll tell you if it's an actual tweet. Can you imagine if Clint Eastwood said that he would never cast a black guy in his movie? Literally. Can you imagine if Brad Pitt said he would never? I don't even know why they said.

This person doesn't know who's directing. This person just has no, couldn't even be bothered to look up a director. Brad Pitt. The only other movie guy I know. And then someone goes, oh, well, I guess his films aren't for me then. Yeah, that's funny. He won't need another't for me then. Yeah, that's funny. He won't need another one of my dollars. That is fine.

You guys have been boycotting like woke movies that care about representation for the past five years. And they've been the biggest fucking hits. The angry conservative outrage seal of approval is guaranteed success. Yeah, it's really been doing good things for these brands. But I honestly think like this is just one of those things. guaranteed success yeah it's really been doing good things for these brands but i i honestly think like this is this is just one of those things like it's going to look so weird it already looks so weird to me when we were doing our live show where we did the zeitgeist of 1999 and we looked back at the movies and it's just all white dudes in the lead roles right it's like what the

like that's weird like that doesn't make sense that's not representative like it's a inefficiency when it comes to the business because you're only telling stories that like are about a very specific like that it just doesn't it's going to look weirder and weirder that nobody else was saying this before right and now and meanwhile like in 1999 black people have movies like The Wood or Life. Right, like a movie here and there. The Best Man, I think, were all 1999. And make it real. No one's saying make it fake.

I don't like those commercials where a black dude and an Asian dude and a white dude are hate. I'm like, does it happen in real life? Oh, it does in my part of the town. You're right. Maybe it mouses out. But you know what I mean? What's wrong with making it feel more real? Make it more authentic.

Or just not that it's not real, right? That, you know, people of diverse backgrounds could hang out. But like, there is a world where there are many people of a certain ethnicity whose friend group is homogeneous like that.

Yeah. And because that's just in the neighborhood you grew up, that happens, it happened. And clearly by looking at films that are mostly white-dominated cast, that reality exists for those filmmakers. We're better when we're mixed. That's why port cities have always been so successful in history and created different kinds of revolutions. Because when we mix ethnicities, we tell better stories.

We make better products. It's like DNA and thoughts are the same. If you just mix the same ones all the time, it doesn't come out as strong. You come out with pug ideas. That's right. Yo, man, pugs are brilliant dogs. Yeah, but they can't breathe, man. They can't breathe.

You think if you read a pug's brain, they would be like, yo, take me out. Kill me. Kill me. They created a dog translator. Just to hear that, I'd be like, oh my God. You just don't want to hear what Pugs have to say. Why did you do this to me? I'm suffocating on my own nose.

When they sneeze, it goes back inside their own mouth. That's messed up. That's why their eyes are puffing out like that. Or bulldogs, too. Man, I remember my... Shout out to my friend's dog, Bulldog Rufio, RIP. The breathing on that dog gave me anxiety where I could be, like, not high around the dog. Like, y'all can't listen to the breathing right now.

Their life expectancy is, like, so low. Is it? Yeah, it's terrible, man. Because they're such cool dogs, too. All right, well, you know, Mutt Gang. Right, Mutt Gang. Bring all the mutts out. That's right.

Well, Tamer, it's been a pleasure having you. Thank you, guys. It's always fun hanging out with you guys and getting educated and laughing. Where can people find you? Tamerkatan.com is the best place for upcoming shows. I'm actually starting to feature for Istmo. He's a friend of mine. He's a comic.

We're doing a mini tour together June 6th through 9th at the Levity Live in Oxnard. Otherwise, at Tam or Kat on Instagram, at Tam or Katan everywhere, everything else. Awesome. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yeah, there's one that I saw yesterday that said, religion is like Tide Pods. It was invented to make us live less dirty, but then the dumbest people started swallowing it whole, and then death started happening. Wow.

That's really... I like that. Who was that? It was me, man. Oh, you wrote it? I'm an only child, so I quoted my own tweet. Hell yeah. That's a fucking great tweet.

Thank you. I like how you kept that undercover. I know. I guess I felt ashamed. Did you see me? I felt ashamed to quote my own tweet. But then it's good, and then I'm like, well, then who was that? And then you have to attribute it to someone else. You're like, um, at, not

Tamer. And then you call them, and you're like, yo, man. I want to book you. I feel so guilty liking my own tweet. Could you start using this on stage? It's a great joke that I just wrote for you. No, that's good.

Own it, man. Own that one. Own it. Also, I co-host a podcast with my mom called They Tried to Bury Us. And yeah, please follow. And basically, we interview a different immigrant every week. So they're all American origin stories. And they're really positive and up and inspiring

and it makes you remember why this country's so great. Yeah. What's the full quote of They Tried to Bury Us? The full quote is They Tried to Bury Us, They Didn't Know We Were Seeds.

Yeah. Which I really, really, it's something our Mexican neighbor told me when I came home with two black eyes one time. I fucking love that. Two black guys?

Two black eyes. Oh. Two black, what happened? Was someone's fist that big and blacked both your eyes? It's kind of a sad story. My dad was a boxer. And he had reflexes, you know. And so I scared him one time and he hit me

in the face and I got a black eye. But both my parents had to work. So I was embarrassed because my eye kept getting more black. So I went in my mom's bathroom and put makeup on my eye. So there's foundation. Then when I got to school, I didn't do a do a good job oh so you like sweated it out yes these kids are like he's wearing makeup what a hobo and then they punched me in the other eye oh no give you one to match that one i went over two black eyes my mexican neighbor's like hey man what happened to you

damn i told him the story and he he sat me down and started telling me he's like all the things that people make fun of you for, they're going to respect later. And you have to remember this is making you stronger. And then he pointed to this thing on his garage wall and said, they tried to bury us. They didn't know we were seeds. I fucking love that. He's like, you're a seed.

Wise ass neighbor. Yeah, man. He was dope. I was like, damn. He was dope. If that was in a movie, that would be like considered too like appropriating or like too stereotypical, like the wise Latino name.

Oh, like wise. Yeah, right. He wasn't that wise. No, Tamra's character would have to be white in that movie.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. He's like, damn, for what happened, Jared? And he's like,

do you know guys? Great. Miles, where can people find you that almost sounded like Aziz and sorry damn fool so this next tweet let's see you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray a tweet I like a couple

ones from Yusuf Roach at Yusuf Roach my favorite part of Los Angeles is seeing famous people drive regular ass cars. It's adorable. Because yeah, man. That's a wave out here in LA. I always think I'm seeing famous people in regular cars,

but then I look closer and it's not them. I mean, I don't want to blow someone's spot up, but there's a very famous comedian who has been driving the same Subaru fucking station wagon all over town and you would never be like, is that him? I love it. Yeah.

Shia, dude, when I used to kick it with Shia, I think to this day, for Bodega Boys fans out here, he drives like a shitty pickup truck. A lot of people just do the hide-and-play-in-sight thing. You know what I mean? I like that. No, that's cool. I like it.

I respect it. And let me see. Another one I have is from Blair Saki, at Blair Saki Yeah At Blair Saki Past guest She says The single most embarrassing Moment of my life

Was when I was at A 12 step meeting And accidentally Ended my share with Thanks I've been Blair That's amazing She's so funny Yousef's also

A former guest Yes Both past guests Yes yes yes, yes. Some tweets I've been enjoying. Hoppers at Frog Avalanche tweeted me as Luke Skywalker puts one leg out of the

tauntaun because it's too hot. Which I just identify with as a sleeper. Maggie Mull, this is just a top- top notch dad joke I refer to testicles as wonkas because they're in between a willy and a chocolate factory

and then at bird butterer tweeted give me the teat boys I'm still a foal I wanna drink milk from an aerial I can't chew hay yeah angry wet spider that's country milk from an aerial I can't chew hay wow yeah angry wet spider

that's country that's country son give me that tea you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com

where we post our episodes and our footnotes. So we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we write out on. What's that going to be today?

Actually, you know what? Let's just go out on Lil Nas X because, you know, just let that go in your brain a little bit. Yeah. And look,

if that affects your brain a little bit, maybe get into some country. And if you were a country person and you like hip-hop, try out some hip-hop. I like that. Try it all. Try it all, guys. Do it all.

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