The Daily Zeitgeist - All-Time Draft Classes with Ricky Smith

Episode Date: June 30, 2022

Miles and Jack were joined by comedian, tv writer and founder of Random Acts of Kindness Everywhere, Ricky Smith to discuss the recent NBA draft as well as some of their all-time favorite NBA Draft classes. Help Spread Kindness Around The WorldSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Of course, we're going to be talking about the 2022 NBA draft. And also probably get into some of our favorite all-time draft classes, because I know I have one in my mind burned into my brain. And we're going to be doing all that with TV writer and stand-up comedian Ricky Smith. I'm Miles Gray. And I'm Jack O'Brien. And this is... You guys don't have, like, laugh tracks? There's no problem?

No, no. No, that's fine with you. That's the pressure. Maybe in post? Maybe. We might try. Okay, it was like the most, like, I got excited. It was like Ricky Smith. Hell yeah! Okay, yeah. That's a note.

Add that. Let's go! Ricky! Ricky! And this is Miles and Jack. Jack, got Matt, boosties. Perfect synchronization. Perfect synchronization.

Welcome, welcome, Ricky Smith. Ricky! Let's go in the... Yeah, yeah. One of the few Long John Silver's fans that I've ever met. I'm thrilled to hear it. I've been to the Long John Silver's headquarters. For real? Yeah. That was... Wow, Ricky's

face lit up with that. I'm dead serious, bro. Wait, what? I don't know if it was the regional headquarters or if it was the actual national headquarters, but when I won student of the month when I was in public school in Lexington,

Kentucky in eighth grade, the prize was you got to go to the Long John Silver's headquarters. And like, just basically, I felt like they basically like put you through like new employee training at the Long John Silver's. I was like, all right. So, but it was like my very first taste of like what corporations were. Did you know at the time that was a highlight of your life i thought it was all up from there and boy was i wrong yeah every city has those like regional field trip places and i like that yours just sort of like you know what we're going to the long john silver's hq yeah i'm trying to think what ours is in cleveland we have a couple

ours is cool it's the Hall. But we think it's not cool to be able to go visit the Rock Hall Hall of Fame. It's a museum. That's like LA people in the beach. Yeah. You going to the beach? I remember when I first moved to LA, I was at the beach. We're like, what? It's sand

and water. We don't do that. We don't drive convertibles either. No, we're not trying to look foolish, but go ahead. Convertibles, I will say I've come around to the not driving convertibles of it all. It's a lot.

LA is like, you could tell you're out of town or you got budget or enterprise rental car if you got the convertible, which I was like... Convertible with the Utah license plate. We call them in the skittle color cars they have to be like bright blue yeah just cars you wonder like why did you make these i guess only to sell them to rental car places right exactly because i remember like when i was in high school if you pulled up in a lebaron convertible you're like okay so that's a mark right there just hit him with a scam something they're from out of town in that

lebaron and now i feel like it's the it's the mustang the back in the day it was the sebring convertible yeah yeah whoa like it was like a luxury car but it wasn't right yeah that that changed the game let's see mr smith i could put you in a baja blast colored Sebring with or without convertible? Which is also the same colors of the out-of-style Steve Harvey 14-button suits. It's a cross of the

mustard orange bright blue. But anyway, sorry to digress you guys on this. We're talking basketball, I guess. Okay. Like somebody needs to come with a Steve Harvey suit to a modern NBAba yeah you know where he's from right where's steve harvey from cleveland ohio okay there he is cleveland bang bang carcinio paul uh drew carrie we are the king of like the comedians that are funny looking but also funny right i i couldn't believe i mean it's because we're talking about the draft and i guess using fashion as a launching off point i have never seen a more well-dressed

dripped out iced out group of draftees this season i was like wow are they on their third contract uh because it didn't it was gone are the days like of like we're talking about the old the old school tried and true like Steve Harvey draft day suit well I mean full transparency I know how serious you want to get but maybe it's because they got the NIL I was just about to say that NIL money is coming in here they had to hide

it before but now they can be like yo that's what we doing so I miss those days man like I do miss like the you know the Ben Wallace's of the world. Yeah. But, like, the guys from the country just, like, I'm wearing my suit and this is what I'm going to wear. And it's like, uh, even LeBron. I mean, LeBron had the all white with the, you know, 15 buttons.

He looked like he just came out of heaven. There's a great clip, great little piece of archival footage of David Stern, Commissioner David Stern, during the LeBron draft. Backstage, I guess it was before the draft, coming back, seeing LeBron in his all-white outfit, asking to try the jacket on. Here, let's play it real quick. Can I borrow that jacket? Let's see what I'm doing. Let's see what you can do with it. Are you styling?

How am I doing? I can do it? Yeah, I think you can do it. All right, I'm going to conduct the draft in this. I mean, if anybody can do it, you can. All right, a lot of things I love about that. First of all, David Stern looks ridiculous, but, you know, intentionally so in the in the big white jacket. He looks like a kid getting dressed up in their dad's clothes.

I also like the end, the last clip, the last quote from LeBron saying, if anyone can do it, you can. Because it reminds me of the Stern era when it was just like all the players were like, yeah, but you're the boss, man. Right. You are incredibly powerful and you're all of our boss, which is kind of like endearing in the modern world. But very cool. I think this is me, man. I sound old now, but I think you can't go wrong. You go timeless because we might be

saying that now but in 20 years you'll be like what the hell were they wearing right it's a little weird it's a little weird

but social media probably too because the world is so smaller now so you can go online and see what the styles are versus like imagine showing up

in 1970 you know 81 and you don't know what the number 3 draft pick is wearing you might be wearing the same things you both got it from the mall. Right.

Chess King. Who knows? Shout out to Chess King. Yeah, I mean, I was going to say this might not even be about them getting enough money to do it. It might be about enough stylists getting smart enough and social media

and marketing, like doing that stuff well enough to realize, Oh, I am absolutely dropping the ball. If I let this person dress themselves instead of like putting my, you know, my fit on them, you guys should do this.

Um, you should rank the draft class for the clothing. So if LeBron is a one basketball, maybe his clothing was an eight and then measure it up and reclass to see who, like, really came with it. Even their progression

of style. I know some people love or hate Westbrook or Wade's outfits, but it's like, did they progress? Was it like a turning point? Like Andre P. Thousand

almost, like, was it a woman that inspired it? Was it a championship run? Was it, you know, maybe a flagrant foul? They were like, you know what?

I'm about to just start dressing crazy. It's something here, man. It's a cross. It's a cross thing there. Yeah, there's something to think about. Those dimensions of their game on and off the court, for sure. I mean, we know Dennis Rodman. You know, he did the whole dressed up in the man himself with the dress and this and that and stuff like that.

So, you know, there's something there. I don't know. I don't think I would listen to that episode, but maybe we would. You just gave us an assignment and then told us you wouldn't listen to it. And yeah, if you want to embarrass yourself making that, go ahead. That's your problem. I won't listen though. And actually, you mind

taking my name off this episode? So my overall philosophy with the draft is nobody knows anything, including me, especially me. So, you know, I get excited about players because I watch the highlights. And then I don't really think about it until the next season when I start hearing their names pop up. And they're like, yo, actually, Anthony Edwards.

I know we said that he was a football player first and wasn't that interested in it. But it turns out he's really good. And the fact that he's a football player is pretty cool. And he plays unlike anyone you've ever seen. But yeah, I don't know, man. I've been wrong so many times before. I'm not here to have a hot take. It's so funny, man.

I know you guys, basketball, it's so weird who can do what at the next level at every step. So not even just from college to pro, but even high school to college. And then it's like something just clicks with these guys. Or they find their way or they find their team. I always get not super depressed, jokingly depressed when you, if certain guys were drafted on certain teams in certain situations, what would have happened versus, you know... I said that to myself

the other day, literally. Anthony Bennett, he was our number one draft pick, and I was like, how does somebody go from, like, being number one? You know, mind you, it was a weak draft

and he came out UNLV, but it was like, if he was drafted 17th, could he be the journeyman? Or it was like, if he was in this position, like, you can't, you know, go from number one

to out of the NBA. It's weird, because it's like scouts or whatever even you know these guys are ranked so high then yes guys were undrafted and it's like you know look at draymond you know sitting around etc etc is like you know he had a different situation different you know area this or that you never know it's just it's it's sometimes disheartening to me because we throw them as a bus or we you know know, they're people first. I'm friends. I'm sure like you guys, I'm friends with a lot of these players and I see the human side of it. So I'm a fan,

but you know, we booties guys, but you know, nobody wants to suck. Oh, I want to come out and do one point, you know, three rebounds and,

you know, five turnovers a game. But it's that human element of like, you never know, you know, teams needs, or even just think about how to, I thought about this yesterday.

Think about how the game has changed. If you were a four or five, and you were told to just get on the block and wait till they feed you. And that's literally what your game was. Or, you know, now, if you're 7'3", 7'4", you might not even have a spot in the NBA.

Right. Which is crazy. They're like, can you dribble like a point guard? Yeah. Like, I'm talking about Martin. Martin just standing there just with his hands up like, nope, they're going to run pick and rolls and you're going to be out of place. So, even that, it's so weird how, you know, basketball and sports have evolved in real time, and it's like, people who get stuck by the wayside. I mean, I'm not saying I was a baller, I tapped out in 10th grade, but I'm 6'3", I stopped playing basketball because I was like, I'm not tall enough. I'm not saying I made it by no means but it's like 63 is not short you read the tale of the tape on you and the nba draft combine you're

like oh this doesn't look good for me it's like we don't know why he's here i'll tell you a very transparent story i was six three in the fifth grade and i was but my again i was i was on the block so people would come and watch me play and next year, 6'3". 6th grade, 7th grade, 6th grade, 8th grade, 6th grade. They're like,

well, where's that? Where's the tall dude? Like, no skill set. I go on the block, I'm guarding 6'9", guys. But even then, like, you know, the game has changed.

AAU ball, I was at the very beginning of it where you had to travel and play year round to kind of, you know, do that. But skill set, if you were big,

your coach didn't care. He was like some guy that taught, you know, do that. But skill set, if you were big, your coach didn't care. He was like some guy that taught, you know, gym class. He also taught, like, health. He saw a tall black kid, like, get on the block. They'll feed you the ball, run the court. You know, we're doing a 1-3-1, whether it's for your skill set or not. And those are just what you had to do versus these camps, good or bad, that you have to start now in third grade or, like, in fifth graders.

And they're traveling, you know, year-round. You have to keep up with it. But, yeah, I think about that often. I don't know why, but it's like, you know, how many players would be ballers that even not to take over, even I was thinking about like the second round, you guys saw the draft. Everyone are like, oh, it's a stash away pick. Or he's a developed pick.

Like, it's like, why do we even have the second round draft? If you're driving these guys not to bring them over for maybe ever, if not, you know, year three or year two. So two so it's like yeah i don't know yeah i ask myself the same question all the time because you see people with such promise and then like you're saying they're people first right and the pressure of you know going to a team as like you know a top five pick and like they're in the middle of a rebuild and all the fans, everybody putting like all of their emotional energy into you being a fully developed product. I'd say most people can't handle that.

You're 19 with millions of dollars of fans and you're going to the city. Maybe they boo you because they want this other person. This or that. The veteran don't want you there. The coach might've wanted you, but the GM didn't want you. And like I said, you're 19.

Like you're trying to figure out real life, real time as it is. It's hard. However, as a fan, you better come on because you're on my team now. Hey, we don't have time to wait. I've been waiting too many years now. I mean, as a Cavs fan, you were involved in probably the greatest draft moment of all time with lebron being the number one pick the hometown hero you know the the anecdote i always love to tell because it like drives home something we were talking about before we start recording that is like i always

talk about how lebron is underrated because he, for the last five years of his not being a professional basketball player, lived in the Truman Show. His hometown had billboards up that were like Nike or Adidas only trying to advertise to him. The whole world was watching him and trying to get his attention as a child and he came out and became the best or second best player of all time it's it is bonkers it's also wild like just to think of like what it must have been like as a Cavs fan when that pick fell in you guys' lap? Yeah, what was that like? I mean, me and my dad are best friends.

All of our best moments are sports. We lost it. We lost it. It was like my dad's line was like, we finally won. We finally got something. We had the drive, the fumble. We had the shot. We had Art Modell taking our Browns to Baltimore.

We had the Indians coming two outs away from winning the World Series. I mean, let's put it in perspective. We hadn't won a championship in 50 years. My dad would always say, I want to win a championship before I die. Right. He was getting up there. So we'd be at Thanksgiving dinner like, well, I mean, in life, you can do whatever you want. Right.

You can work hard. you can do this, but I can't control my sports teams. I can't. I can cheer as loud as I can. I can wear the Bear Finale. I can go out there. I can root. I can talk smack to you guys,

but I can't control what happens on the court. And so for us, it was like, man, we got this guy. I get to go and pay my money and see this chosen one who accepted us. It wasn't like, you know, he wasn't like, oh, I don't want to be in Cleveland or I'm not a role model. I'm not a hero. Like, nah, he's here. He's repping us. And when I tell you guys, it

might seem minor to the world, but on a Tuesday night, we had Beyonce come to games. We had Warren Buffett come to games. I love my city, man. I'm a Cleveland fanatic, but that's not happening if LeBron's not here. Of course, you're seeing Jay-Z.

We have an usher who bought Minority State. We're having Nike. I literally got a McDonald's commercial solely because of LeBron. McDonald's is in town. They're meeting

this other guy named Ricky. He makes so much money for our city, tourism, all that stuff. And then Lee, which understandably, he did it.

We didn't like the way he did it. He'd have to put us on national TV, some Boys and Girls Club, and one of the richest cities in America. But then to come back after the letter and the Sanskrit and the written stuff, I don't know if I would have come back. He came back just for us. Talk about how you want to. He had no

reason to come back. He didn't. He came solely for the fans of Cleveland. And then succeed on it? And win one of the greatest, most unlikely titles of all time. Beat the 72 win. Down 3-1. I have a memory of it to this day. Me and my dad embraced. I mean, I was

out there with the parade. Tom Brady, maybe what he did with Tampa, maybe. That's just a short window. But to me, the greatest sports story, I don't care what you say, is that LeBron story. Just the whole, never messed up, his sons, his daughter, his wife, the stuff he did

for the city, the school, the primary school he has, he's now doing a hospital in Akron, his hometown. The guy's been flawless. The worst thing we could think of was him getting a Hummer in high school. For him, again, to do this for a fan base, that realistically, I wouldn't say this again,

that we might not ever win another championship. People don't even realize Cleveland's a very small city. We're less than 400,000 people. But we're on the same level. No, no one does. But our names, we shouldn't even have three sports teams. We're right there with Oklahoma and your Tulsa's, if you will. For us to have the Guardians, Browns, we're always in the

news. For us to be this small, and everyone knows somebody from Cleveland or in Cleveland we're good people because we have to be. We're so small, but NBA All-Star, we had the finals. We had Charles Barkley in town. These people come to town and we're the spotlight because of one man. Let's be honest. Anybody hating

on him is a little bit of racism to him, but we love him more than anything in the world. He could run for mayor, governor of Cleveland, if you will. And we have nothing but love. And I mean, even then I'm a Jordan guy, old school. I hate that you have the society. If you think one is better than the other, you get to knock somebody down. Think of it as a table, you know?

No, they got a seat at that table. Yeah, but if it's four at the table, that's fifth. You're like, that's like... Hold on, who's this new one? Because, I mean, again, I go back and forth personally with LeBron and Jordan because Jordan to me is all-time great. He's the greatest, but then I say

what is Jordan doing in the year 17? Yeah. But then the hand-checking, I like to believe that LeBron is the most talented physical. Like, his body is just, he was a man amongst kids, you know, even in the pros. But Jordan's just, his will and his drive, if you will. And then I get mad because I don't put Kobe on my list of four.

Kobe's a beast. Yeah. But then I'm not, and I don't want to go old school, like, I'm about to be blasphemous to old school basketball player. I don't go old school. Like, well, Chamberlain was playing against like guys who were smoking cigarettes at halftime. So I feel like the league is a little different now.

Right. For sure. All right. Well, we're going to, let's hold the thought on Kobe. Cause we're going to talk about all time best draft class on the modern era.

And the super producer Jabari sent around this clip, David Stern going down the line, shaking everybody's hand at the 96 draft. Wow. It's wild to look at all the hands he's shaking. Like, wow, that was in one. Okay, we'll talk about it. So we'll talk about that when we come back.

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in to find out. So tap in to Off the edge with cam jordan's podcast your ultimate playbook for all things football and not football listen on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back and we got two clips we want to hit. But before we get to it, you mentioned the shot, Ricky. I was there. So this is the Jordan shot. Jumps up because of the camera angle. It looks like he kicked Craigie low in the face.

But just one of the all-time great playoff buzzer beaters. First time I only heard, and only time I heard my dad swear. Wow. And he actually said, I'll be damned. Wow. That is the right thing to say to that. We're close family friends with Brad Sellers who did the inbounds throw.

If you notice, Brad Sellers, he's from Cleveland and Charles Oakley was also on that team from Cleveland. You got to hear Brad tell the whole story about the timeout and, you know, Phil Collins, I believe at the time,

not Phil, Doug Collins, do this great, you know, play they said. And it was like, yeah, whatever. Jordan was like,

just give me the ball. Like, that's all great. Just find me. I'll get the ball. I'm going to run up to the ball. You're going to throw me the ball.

And then I'm going to find a way to put it in the basket. They said, actually, Larry Nance slept. He admitted later on in life that it was actually his coverage. Elo actually was trying to save him, but we've known now as Elo to be the one that,

you know, he scored over him. If you look, Larry Nance kind of like stumbles, but yeah, I mean, imagine Johnson and Dean does the team of the nineties. And,

you know, I was a huge Ron Harper fan. Like heart was like our guy. He was our Jordan guy, you know, at the time weon harper fan like heart was like our guy he was our jordan guy you know at the time um we're friends with heart too now but like we trade him for danny ferry and it was like what are we doing to the you know the clippers it just got weird and we went through this whole weird um thing but jordan and harper like for us you know jordan was just looking back i sound crazy but at the time Jordan and Harper were like

they was kind of there. Harper was like he could score. He was a wing. We had Mark Price, Larry Nance, Brad Doherty. We had a solid team. Lenny Wilkins was coach. It was right there. We were going to be the team of the 90s and Bulls wasn't that great of a team at the time. We was supposed to battle

for years and then after that Harper gets traded and we end up getting Gerald Wilkins. Wow. Hey, shout out to was a battle you know for years and then after that harper gets traded and we don't get gerald wilkins wow hey shout out to the wilkins family i mean this is true now the cookie crumbles um all right let's talk best draft classes in the modern era i think a lot of people just go 84 because that's the year mj went number three the team went number one. Hakeem went number one. Shout out to Sam Bowie. Yeah.

Sam Bowie went number two to the Portland Trailblazers, who my grandfather was coaching at the time. So that's a tough one for the old legacy. Barkley, Stockton. It's pretty hard to argue with that Mount Rushmore, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But then super producer Jabari sent us this clip of David Stern going down, shaking everybody's hand after they got drafted in 96.

And it is, it's bonkers, man. It's, well, let's play it. Hey. Who? David Stern. Okay, shaking Kobe's hand? Steve Nash's hand? David Stern. Is that Ray L hand Steve Nash's hand David Stern

Is that Ray L? Yeah Jesus David Stern Pronounce it for me Peja Peja I've been practicing it all day

Stoyakovich Okay David Stern Junkyard Dog Walter McCarty Who I love Look at Marcus Camby Looking like a Who I love Look at Marcus Camby Looking like a little baby

Passes over Marcus Camby To shake Antoine Walker's hand See, Kerry Kittles Kerry Kittles He said, Alan Iverson, nice to meet you And Stefan Marbury He said, nice to meet It's like wild when you go

He said, Twan, Kerry carrie ai and then who was the last one stefan marbury stefan marbury who was like for those first handful of years was one of the most exciting players in the league so this is my question okay so we'll put a pin in that class because that's like like you were saying earlier that iconic slam cover but just to get through some of the other classes and just kind of think of what if anyone has an edge 98 dirk paul pierce vince carter mike bibby okay 2009 steph james harden blake griffin okay 2011 jimmy butler 2011, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi, Kyrie, Klay, 1985, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Detlef Schrempf, Joe Dumars.

It's 84-96. What about 03? 03, yeah. I don't know why we're throwing shade on that class. What about 03? We got Braun. Was Darko number two? Darko was number two.

Then Mello. Then Mello. Bosh. D-Wade. Chris Kamen. Kirk Heinrich. TJ Ford. Okay.

That was 2003. But I guess when you put those clumps together, because you have LeBron in there and Mello and D-Wade and stuff, I definitely feel the weight of that. But I'm wondering if, now this could be a generational bias that because of my age I am like more moved

at the sight of that 96 draft class because that was like when I watched all those guys in college too and like I wore one sock up and one down like Kerry Tittles at Villanova because I thought that was like the dopest look. I Of the one guy to mock that draft. Yeah.

That's who you went with. Yeah. Of all the people. See? And that's what's funny about a draft, right? I'm like, that's my man, Kerry Kittles from Villanova right there. I mean, it's hard to argue that because I was going to make an argument. I just shot myself down mentally because I was going to say from top to bottom I was going to try to argue 0-3 versus that one

just to be, you know, argumentative. But I was like, Kobe's there to bottom, I was going to try to argue O3 versus that one just to be argumentative, but I was like, Kobe's there. Kobe's there and AI. And Steve Nash, who won a bunch of MVPs. Let me just play that one. Okay, my O3, though, except for

Darko, the first five picks are Hall of Famers. Can you say that about the 96? No. It's definitely Kobe being in the teens, right? Didn't he get picked pretty

late? 12th and 13th, I'm reading right now at the bottom of the screen. But I'm saying, take out Darko, which, if you remember Detroit at the time, they either won the championship or they didn't have a spot. Like, even, they couldn't have drafted, like,

I mean, naturally, you wanted Melo, but, like, they didn't have room for him, because that's when they had, like, the five great starters who were all good, but not, well, great. But you know what I mean? Like, yeah, because Tayshaun was there. So, like, that's what I'm saying. I'm just, and I agree with you. 96, I'm just being, you know, argumentative to be it. But to me, that saying. I agree with you. 96, I'm just being argumentative to be it. To me, that 0-3, if you're

going LeBron Hall of Fame, then Melo Hall of Fame, then Bosh Hall of Fame, Wade Hall of Fame, that's almost a surefire... Who was 6? Our man Chris Kamen. Give him his flowers, too. With the hair.

Yeah. The bald bald king balding king i know i didn't i was like you know i was hoping like some random like okay no shade to my bald king but you know uh that changes things a little bit i mean and then kirk heinrich was right after that kirk heinrich 96 it is. Nash was 15th. Nash was picked 15th. So that's the thing about that 96 class. And I still think if you're just... I don't know. It's tough. It's totally how you're going to rate it. But

84 is tough to beat because MJ and Akeem are defined in the next 10 years and won all the titles for the 90s essentially, right? Yeah. I think it just comes down to like again more than like trying to rate these people on what they've done for me i think i'm i'm looking at these draft classes based purely off nostalgia and like the thing that i liked about it like

like you're saying for me carrie kittleson villanova that year completely ruined my brain and like my mom was like why are you only wearing one long sock to your basketball game? Yeah, I mean, I'm a little older. So for me, to that point, that Shaq draft with him, Alonzo, Christian Laettner, I forgot who else was in that draft. For me, I had never seen somebody like Shaq before.

It is sad now that kids don't realize how agile and stuff he was. He was breaking billboards. It was like his first couple years was crazy. But even Alonzo coming in with defensive, you got to realize, even like Christian Langer being what he was, three big men

drafted, boom, boom, boom. That's wild. But for me, that would have been nostalgia. Orlando Magic had the new logo. It was crazy. Oh, yeah. And that was a time when every mall in America had one loose Shaq shoe in it. nostalgia like orlando magic at the new logo like it was it was it was it was crazy oh yeah and that was a time when like every mall in america had one loose shack shoe in it they're like hey you see that guy shack's foot they got one of his shoes at field of dreams sports memorabilia store size 23 yeah it was crazy it was crazy so for me that oh man um and friend of the show robert

ory that's his that's his draft class, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was all of those. But then again, I mean, not to sound like get off my lawn guy, but to me, those guys were ready. Those guys were ready. Even that 96 class you said, those guys were ready. They would step in, and they're super, super stars. You know, five, six, seven, ten people were coming in

and doing their thing straight from college. Now you have a guy that might have to sit a year he's trying to figure it out he you know he's he's development you're waiting for him to mature or whatever if you will so yeah i don't know let's talk about best draft day fits of all time because i do i do agree like top to bottom we're dealing with a new era now where like you everybody is styled everybody looks really good but going back through i just found this nbc sports article but before i get to their top 10 i'd be interested in hearing the ones that jump out to you i think we've already talked about lebron and his all white the cut can only be described as draft suit i think is like the only thing you can call that because it's like

really high the buttons all the way up probably conservatively 13 buttons on the front of the jacket but all white was a phenomenal look you know your buttons should be lowered in your pockets on your jacket right like i think that's a new standard now that we should keep forever. But, I mean, you got to realize, too, back then, I mean, probably even now, but like then, like a lot of those guys probably never wore suits before. So this was like, you know, this is a big deal. I know LeBron had it at the time. I think, I want to say we knew the person that styled him in Cleveland. Yeah, but I mean, this is also, this is 03.

Like, this is is players all type suits every like that was the height of formal fashion for these guys too it's like you got now and later gators on you got this you got a preacher suit on now you look good so i feel like this was maybe like the last time we we even just saw like the i don't know like before we started crossing into the era of like really hyper-focused outfits and styles and like, you know, maybe the,

the bowl bowls of our world. I think one that comes to mind, um, was it Jermaine O'Neal? Somebody like was from like the, the, the South and their suit was just like, was it,

Oh, it might've been, um, Oh, I don't want to say his name. Nevermind. It was, you know who wizards um i loved this suit it was amazing trying to find it now i can buy one mommy

love you i love this looking like a out of work cult leader with no nobody in this cult just Right. The cult of I. You got a favorite? I feel like in looking through that article, my memory was jogged, and I actually remember exactly what my favorite is now. So, Samaki Walker in 96 came with one of the great,

just all cream, everything, but with a top hat that really like pulled the whole thing together made him look like you know set him apart not from like that draft class but from the history of draft classes and also like looked like he could be like a movie character of some sort like just with the hat like you know what it reminds me of it reminds me of that that la times magazine shoot kobe did when he wore the hat yes yes yeah the white hat with the headband and the bow tie that's that's like almost press energetically what i'm looking at actually i actually have mine it's actually a friend of mine um which we've never addressed this but

which we've never addressed this but Drew Gooden if you google it he has this whole it's the buttons you can't see them it's the movie with the with the mini me it's the Dr. Evil

oh you got the Dr. Evil joint on wow I'm going Drew with the top the top is doing something weird Yep. Wow. Yep. I'm going Drew. With the top. The top is doing something weird. It's like a lab coat. It's a lab coat with a tie.

Okay. So let's just describe this. So Drew Gooden came with like, you know, a baggy suit, but the jacket is just straight. Like it goes all the way up to his neck. There's no lapel. No lapel straight up to the neck. I mean, you did

a great job. Just describe it as Dr. Evil, but the buttons are hidden. It is such a strong choice. Yeah. I'm not mad at this. Commit it. Yeah. I think that's what's fun about that era is because they were just having to do their twist on the suit.

You know, now people got like, oh, I'm wearing a silk bomber jacket. I'm wearing spiky loafers and this other thing. So in a way, I kind of give it up to these older cats because they were dealing with a limited palette and really trying to find individualism through this very rigid form of the suit. limited palette and really trying to find individualism through this very rigid form of the suit. And when you break through, I mean, Mr. Good in that suit,

it really is. They're working within a genre. It's like now everybody looks great. Like that. So this list has, you know, Jalen green last year is probably the biggest choice. Cause he was wearing bell bottoms and like,

it looks good. and also does not like it is a choice it's like wow so i got i got one more yeah yeah uh you gotta google it but bonzie wells uh he is literally wearing a maternity suit looks like um i count no less than one two three four five six seven eight nine buttons um the jacket actually goes down to his knees it looks like it looks like he's he's like stealing like a like a folding table from the draft and taking it home with him underneath his suit like you know what he looks like you know those who we do when they like put shagging it right in the suit yeah it looks like three kids on top of he also has a boyish face so it really looks like three kids on top of each other in a suit.

One pack of cigarettes, sir. What? Oh, no. There's six kids in a big old draft day suit. I might buy one of these for Halloween. I'm just going to be 95 for that. I've got my...

I graduated high school in in 03 so my prom suit looked like a draft day suit wow and i have a lavender five button suit that i've worn for a special when we were doing a look back in the year 2002 or three um but did you always want to be a pimp or is that just a phase you know that was just one that was just the era at the time you know it's all about jac Jacob watches and wearing a preacher suit. And I understood the assignment in 2003. No, you're right. You're right.

You're right. Everything was three times, four times too big, but even the suits. But I'm glad these guys have evolved, most of them. I think Jordan is still stuck in these time periods, which I've always, if you ever get a laugh, you're sad because, you know, there's websites dedicated to Jordan fashion. Oh, yeah. Oh, you mean like current? Like what's he wearing today?

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure they were. The very famous are frozen in amber at the peak of their fame. And it's entertaining. Well, my sister has this thing. It's been pretty tried and true her thing is

whenever you stop your highest level education that's usually where your fashion or dance moves are at their peak that makes sense so you can learn newer stuff or evolve

right that's like if you were a cargo short guy out of high school and you only did high school and you were you know lean with a rock with it

yeah when that sun comes on that's that's your bag that's usually where you were I think we with a rock with it yeah when that sun comes on that's that's your bag that's usually where you were i think we can all agree or may i don't know you tell me i think the move for next year's draft class is somebody comes with the homage to the old school draft yeah like really like the drew good and the bonzi Wells, something that level would be so dope. And also, almost comically oversized stuff is back in. So let's do it.

Yeah, people do wear kind of big... Dudes are wearing shoulder pads in their suits and high fashion magazines too. So I feel like all trends, this one might come back around organically, right? Where people would be like, wow, we love that homage to Mello's, you know, draft suit. And they're like, what? Who? Oh, you can tell I'm wearing shoulder pads right now.

He's got a ball out, though, that first year, whoever he is. Yeah. That's definitely a statement suit. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll do rapid fire. Take a quick break.

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Pew! Round one. Fight. Let's go. What's the funniest moment you've ever seen on an NBA court? Ricky Davis shooting at the wrong basket hey we've all been there yeah all right like let's it's hard to keep track jack jack come on man this is rapid this is our next question uh if you could okay here we go ricky

if you could add or change one rule about the nba what would it be? It would be that players shouldn't be able to foul out. Okay. Basketball is the only sport where you're out of a game just for doing something that is still within the game. Especially if it's overtime. If you have a six foul, they should let you come back. Let's say everybody gets one more foul.

But just because of foul trouble, it doesn't make sense. That affects the game just because of whatever. Maybe after your, like, it doesn't make sense that, like, that affects the game just because of whatever. Maybe, like, you know, after your sixth foul, the other team gets four free throws and a ball. Something that's still, like, you can't just hack people, but it still makes it so, you know, your best player is going to, like, three overtime game. You're left with, like, you know, somebody looks like me on a bench with the guy at the scores table who doesn't know who I am. Right, right, right. Call in venue security and be like, I think this guy's trying to storm the court. Right, right, right. They call him venue security.

Be like, I think this guy's trying to storm the court. Do this, do this. Once he bowls, son, just got in the game. I think, you know, since we're keeping it rapid, I would really love to see

like a rock and jock like 50-point basket. You know, like how Rick Mahorn used to score on that thing. I wasn't going to say that, but the way the game's evolved with Curry,

he used to be hitting five points. But wouldn't that be wild if we saw 732 to 80? he'd just be hitting 5. But wouldn't that be wild if we saw 732 to 80? I would be like, yo they're going wild in Vegas right now with this line.

Vegas would be crazy, man. People would live and die by that. They're like, the 50-point basket's coming down. Anyway. Rapid, rapid. I'm sorry, Jack. I was just going to gonna say though that that's a that rapid question so fast so clean that i think it's gonna be a it's gonna be a keeper like i don't think you should have to dribble but uh all right let's move on to uh you can put

together your fantasy three-point shooting competition who are your four shooters all-time or current current uh mine would be uh curry um you know what no no no i'm a comedian sorry i was getting come on ricky rapid my bad it would be like uh i don't know like just four centers like four centers like seven three guys like yeah like okay go bear like let's just see them like just four centers. Like four centers. Like seven, three guys. Like, yeah. Go Bear. Let's just see them just try to get out there. I mean, I know my man from Minnesota Towns

just kind of messed it up, but let's see some people who can't shoot. Right, right, right. Yeah, let's laugh at them. Okay, and then all-time. What if it was all-time three-point conversation? Bird, Curry, Reggie Miller, and I would go Riala.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Boom. Yeah. Three beautiful shots in that game. And then Reggie Miller would be a very effective shot. Oh, I forgot Mark Price, though, off the pick. He was so nasty with it.

Yeah. You can put him in there. Yeah, we'll give him a shot. See what I said? Somebody has to come up the table. Yeah. It's always hard. It's always hard. It's always hard.

Oh, sorry. Rapid. Ricky, who is the next face of the league for the next five seasons, in your estimation? Ooh. Ja. If he stays in Memphis, that's tough. And I think LeBron kind of opened up the way, and then, you know,

Durant at OKC that you don't have to be in big market, but it sure does help. Right. You know, Durant at OKC that you don't have to be in big market, but it sure does help. You know, Memphis is Memphis. And I like Memphis as a city, but it's, you know, you need a little bit more visibility. Jordan Poole could be that guy. Wow.

He could be that guy. He has Curry, like, in him. He's learning. He's more athletic. Again, I don't know if the current team would, you know, he could be that guy. But in four or five years, five years, what better way to learn from the greatest shooters of all time? You can't deny that he's gotten better from being around those guys. The contract situation, I don't know what it is.

But three, four, five years, he could be the team. And this is unfortunately the first time that we've ever had a rapid fire question with the wrong answer. But you didn't get that one right it is miles and jack yes uh our logo of us looking cool while uh having mad boosties those are the faces of the nba for the next five years ricky smith you have made it through the lightning round um it was more like uh it was more like flicker but we got through it we did it it was lightning uh man. It was amazing having you. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Just online.

Rick, I'm around. I'm a ghost. I have a non-profit, Random Acts of Kindness, everywhere. I'm actually starting a tour in September where I do 50 cities in 30 days, simply spreading kindness. And I let my followers and fans and friends tell me where to go and what to do. I travel with nothing but a cell phone ID, just spreading kindness. And I let my followers and fans and friends tell me where to go and what to do. I travel with nothing but a cell phone ID, just spreading

kindness. So it gets aggressive and fun. But yeah. But other than that, man, I appreciate you guys. This is fun. I love to talk sports. I love basketball. It's just so fun to have people who understand the fun of the players and not just, you know, my team is this or this guy's

something. The cool thing is what I just did with you guys. I know I jump off but it's like I hate the whole salaries and contract situations of sports. I hate that fan. Oh, he makes this or he makes more than this. That's why this means more about we want to be wowed.

I was working with a trade machine earlier and I actually worked out a trade that's never going to happen. It involves six teams and 43 players all right man he played so much better before his contract was up and who cares like let these guys make money so i appreciate you guys i've listened to a couple before and just just that fan experience just you know it doesn't have to factor in and you listen to these you know these new age sports guys and they're contract contract driven so you know it's just fun to get back to the skills of these new age sports guys and they're contract contract driven so you know it's just fun to get back to the skills of it and just like we said they're trying

to do the best they could do and yeah everybody wants to win and nobody wants to get out there you know suck it up if you will all right well ricky smith amazing having you yeah thanks so much it's amazing to be had i don't know that sounded weird but uh Have me anytime. Again. All right. Yeah. We'd love to lock it in. Okay. I'm just going to back away from the phone and go.

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