The Daily Zeitgeist - America, HELP IS NOT ON THE WAY 4.21.22

Episode Date: April 21, 2022

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It's cool. People like it when I force them to give me a high-five. Just have my hand out my window when I'm driving down the street. Right. Trying to get some, yeah. Anyways, happy National High Five Day to everyone out there who observes. Is this like, do we go back to the history of the high fives? When you look up, you when you celebrate national

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Well, we are thrilled to be joining our third seat by a PhD holder. Yeah. A Vice TV correspondent. A musician whose music has appeared on hbo uh he's contributed to pulitzer prize winning coverage at the la times and he is the host of the podcast authentic the story of tableau it's dexter thomas jr what's up i i appreciate the enthusiastic welcome thank. I'm very happy to be here. What's going on? Very happy to have you. Yes, yes.

PhD in Japanese, right? Kind of. Yeah, almost there. We're halfway there. So I did a dissertation on Japanese hip hop. Yeah. But technically, the department, it changed names at some point. But basically, let's say Asian Studies.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. PhD in Asian Studies. Yeah, because when I saw your email back to us i was like he has kanji in his like email header when i was like okay i guess it is coyote but i was like what am i looking at but yeah it's i'm so interesting to meet people who are so i'm i'm half japanese yeah yeah i like this i just it's always interesting to see how people they're they drink from the well of Japanese culture, but I get it.

It was rip slime and teriyaki boys. A little bit more like maybe Buddha brand and, uh, Mamesy con something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll,

yeah, we're in the same, we're in the same ballpark, man. We're in the same universe. Cool. Cool. That's what I was going to guess with my guests for what you were into.

That's good. Thank you. I appreciate it. I look like a Buddha brand kind of guy to you. into. That's good. Thank you. I appreciate it. I look like a Buddha brand kind of guy to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You're like, I'm more of a DJ Honda kind of guy. Yeah. I get that too. So what's good, Dexter? You're,

you're in LA right now. It seems like you're kind of all over the place, but what's, what's good? What's new? What's up with Tableau? What is up with Tableau? I mean, well, I think they just finished their U.S. tour, I want to say, because their last stop was, I believe, Coachella.

Okay. Yeah. was i believe coachella okay yeah and so uh you know yeah the show the show authentic the like uh you know story of tableau is uh you know the last episode dropped so that's it so yeah it's it's been a weird read it's been a wild ride i should say yeah yeah yeah and for people who aren't aren't aware tell people a little bit about why tablo is an interesting figure and you know to the point where it's we were talking about him we have a podcast because i remember when this podcast was first coming up as an idea we were very like oh this is i had no idea but this seems very significant but to a very specific subset of musical interest yeah yeah so so tablo

for people so there'll be people who are listening to it saying i know exactly what you're talking about and then right it's basically i think you're divided into one of two camps either you know exactly you probably if you know who tableau is you know about this story already or you've never heard of him you've never heard the story so essentially tableau is the front man of a group called epic high which when it first started out it started out kind of as this underground hip-hop group in the early 2000s in korea back when i mean underground hip-hop was even kind of it was a little sketchy in the states i mean y'all remember this you know kind of the college backpacker style thing right but then they started to blow up and you know

they were all over tv especially tab Tableau was all over TV. And so Tableau had this kind of interesting background in that, you know, he was born in Korea, but then he moved to Canada at a pretty young age. And then he went to Stanford and graduated, not only graduated from Stanford, but graduated with a bachelor's and a master's in, I three and a half years so clearly a really smart dude yeah yeah clearly really smart dude and so that kind of helped get him this edge into korean tv because the mainstream didn't really get this rap thing but they were very interested in this guy who's oh wow you're really smart and you decided to become a rapper why you're throwing your life away what's what's going on here and you know it was kind of funny so he was he started getting booked on tv and but then people realized oh i actually like the music so it's they started getting really big then somebody

pops up on a forum saying hey this guy tablo he didn't really go to stanford i think he's lying i think his whole thing's a scam he's scamming us and most people would think okay who cares if a rapper went to an elite youth institution who cares right all right whatever man but people really cared and it turned into this wild conspiracy thing this wild conspiracy theory and and this was in in about 2009 going to 2010 and going a little bit beyond that and it consumed the news cycle i mean it turned people against each other without getting too much into it i mean people went to jail over this interpol damn near got involved it was ruining lives on multiple yes yes like they and they asked him to you know release his transcripts right you know release the documents

release the emails you know this kind of thing and he did and people said nope i don't believe you this is that reminds me of uh that reminds me of a certain president. The funny thing is, this was happening right about the time of the birther stuff. Yeah. It was almost exactly the same time. And so the wild thing, so what ends up happening is, you know, he has to flee the country. Because people were pulling up on this dude's house. Wow. And harassing the streets, sending him death threats, seeing his family death threats.

Again, once again, because they think that a rapper did not go to a particular college. They're like, lion ass, you ain't no fucking cardinal. It was some wild, wild stuff. But yeah, it really, and there's a whole lot of things in the background and stuff like that. But that's kind of the gist. And it's one of those things where when you listen to it, it's just, yo, man, if we would have been paying attention, maybe we would. I think we could have seen some of this QAnon stuff and all this other sort of thing. We could have seen it.

We should have seen it a mile away if we would have been paying attention to what was happening in Japan. Excuse me, in Korea, right? You know what I mean? So, yeah. That's wild. Yeah. Tune in. Tune in.

And the music's good right yeah oh are you talking about the music in the in the podcast or epic music yeah i mean so i have to say epic high actually does make some dope stuff there's a bonus episode where we we talk about our favorite tracks or whatever but yeah i do have to say the music shout out to Kay Murdoch, who, who did the soundtrack for it. We spent a whole bunch of time actually legit, or he did, I should say. He spent a whole bunch of time making beats for the podcast. So it's all scored. The theme song is dope.

He and I had back and forth where I was, we were arguing about the proper BPM of it. Right. He had it. He had it, you know, eight 98 BPMp man when i was just nah man you gotta slow it down to 93 94 maximum because i gotta hear them hip the hi-hat swing got to something like pete rock but yeah no it was cool it was cool so yeah recommended if it the thing that people have called it people have called it a k-pop true crime podcast yeah which i was not happy about at first and then i realized they're sort of right so it's a k-pop true crime podcast there you go that's one but it has been pretty

fucking intriguing yeah there you go all right we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about we're going to talk about where we're at with student loans forgiveness we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're going to talk about where we're at with student loans, forgiveness. We're going to talk about Tucker Carlson. Apparently, too much for Newsmax. Even they're like, yo, what the fuck? All of that, plenty more. But first, Dexter, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history?

Yeah. So if I'm'm gonna be totally straight up with you i will tell you the actual last thing that i searched uh which is i still have the window open because i'm still trying to decipher it it is pardon the uh pronunciation but i typed in hasta cuando se puede consumir huevo so which is spanish grammatically is probably wrong but uh it's how long basically until when can you eat eggs basically which which passed the expiration date so i've been i've been trying to teach myself spanish for just a few months now and i feel like it's going okay and i decided you know what it's time to take the training wheels off. Let's get some steaks going.

So I've got some eggs in the refrigerator. And they're expired. And I want to know if I can eat them. So I said, you know what? Let me look this up in Spanish. And if I get it wrong, then something bad happens to me probably. I don't know. I don't know what happens if you eat expired eggs.

And I don't know what the health implications of this are. So I've been trying to read this article. I mean, it can't be good as far as I can tell. No, it's not good. It's not good. So, you know, I'm trying to put, you know, my money where my mouth is or my physical well-being where my mouth is. well-being where my mouth is so yeah i'm sitting here trying to read this article of how long can i wait so that i can perhaps eat these eggs or perhaps not you know obviously i'm aware that the prudent decision would be thrown away but i figure i'm lucky in the test one crack it open

if it smells funky then that's your that's your test which is which is what it says but you know at least that's what i can make out from this article that i'm reading right that's your test which is which is what it says but you know at least that's what i can make out from this article that i'm reading right that's what it says but but you know i figured you know let's let's let's put it to the test let's stop you know none of this duolingo none of this stuff right let's your life on the line yeah put my life on the line let's put some real you know real world applications in here which is right you know find out you know things that could actually affect my my well-being right i mean can i and then would you further if you did have any kind of health complications then go to like a spanish speaking urgent care and then try and basically be like um you know what i've actually system i've had meat digestive system

i've actually heard uh from a couple people that sometimes if you get put on hold you know you just you know you push number two and actually you get somebody quicker so i'm actually thinking that maybe this could actually help see man this could be a thing for me in the future. You know what I mean? If I'm trying to get help for something and then just the phone lines are backed up, maybe there's somebody who's down to help me in Spanish. You know, who wants to talk to me in English. Because, you know, like in L.A. too, like there are so many languages that they have support for, like Vietnamese, Chinese, Russian, Armenian, like, et cetera. You could, you know, you got some Japanese skills.

I could just hit them up in Japanese too. Yeah, man. I mean, I don't know how much actual support there is or how much demand there is for assistance in Japanese. I mean, you know, you know what that is out here, but, but yeah, I feel like, you know, the Spanish hotlines, you know, they're probably pretty well developed. Hopefully, if they're not, you know, that's an obvious absolute crime and, you know, that should be addressed. But, you know, perhaps I can avail myself of those services at some point if I happen to eat an expired egg.

Because I misread the instructions on this website, which seems kind of sketchy, but it should be okay. We're experimenting. It's an experiment. But I'm with Miles, man. Just crack it up and smell it. I feel like you can smell your way out of everything. Oh, yeah. That's everything.

It's like smell is the only language that's truly universal. I was raised in a house where my mom was always like, American people don't label stuff correctly. Like, that's still good. You was raised in a house where my mom was always like, American people don't label stuff correctly. Like, that's still good. You can still eat it. Yeah. Or people, my friends would come over and be like,

you're not refrigerating that thing on your stove. I'm like, we don't refrigerate shit all the time in Japan. So this is a thing that's normal to me. Like, you're going to get sick. So I've always grown up with this thing of like, you got to test it. You got to test it.

Right. And the smell, I remember, especially when I moved out of the house i would call my mom be like the exact same thing hey how many days past the thing can i do this and her thing was like does it smell fucked up it's like if if if anything goes off in your nose when you smell it right that's the best sign like if any if you if it's if you're not comfortable with the house smells just use that like don't even worry about even if it's on point with the dates just smell but anyway that's not real advice from a medical professional so don't be right right i mean i also realize that i am i am taking i am taking advice from just a blogger so you know your advice is is just as good as probably this sketchy website that I'm looking at.

Look, you trust my mom or you trust some blogger, okay? Yeah, well, you know, I mean, honestly, perhaps your mom. I don't know. Yeah, thank you. Right answer. We've had moms for, I don't know, thousands of years. Yeah. But bloggers only like 20 years.

Yeah. Where's that podcast? Where it's like the Council of Moms? Thank you. The Council of Moms. That sounds like a fucked up conservative group, but yeah. Oh, it almost definitely is. It probably exists.

It probably exists. That was perhaps one of the things that freaked me out the most when I was in Japan once was everything was okay, man. You know, sushi, you know what I mean? They gave me tacos or octopus or whatever. I was cool, man. You know, sushi. You know what I mean? They gave me tacos or octopus or whatever. I was cool with that. When somebody cracked an egg on rice, I was just, yo, I thought they were trolling me. I really thought they were playing with me.

They did it for me. And they cracked the egg on the ice. Oh, try this. You eat it. No, no, you eat it. Show me that this is something that you do and then i'll eat it granted i ate it and i was just oh this is this is amazing you know i do it all the time but yeah that's one that would freak my friends out too they're like you're gonna get sick i'm like

this is called tamago kake gohang and you will get out my fucking face put some soy sauce in it and you will fucking wake up to the fucking truth about this exactly and i did i did but the first time he's yeah it's it's something about i mean americans were weird about eggs man i don't know what it is one refrigeration too because a lot of other countries don't refrigerate their eggs and i remember like going abroad with kids for the first time like the eggs are like oh is that okay and you're like that yes yes it is same same thing i had that same experience yeah seeing people doing that seeing people not refrigerating eggs it's just that's that's a that's because americans because of factory farming americans clean the cuticle off the egg

and therefore like our eggs are fucked and need the refrigeration. That is a fact that I learned from Council of Moms, which is a Facebook group where we are a council of young moms who have committed to praying for our sisters. So shout out to the Council of Moms on Facebook. Pray for us. Council of Moms. God bless the Council of Moms. Mother Mary, pray for us. Shout out.

Yeah. What is something you think is overrated? Overrated. There's a few things i think that police intelligence is overrated actually and i can explain this and this is the sort of thing where people say oh you know cops are dumb or whatever which you know i i think that's not really necessarily the case all the time but i've seen have y'all seen this thing where police are playing copyrighted music to attempt to get

the, prevent people from filming them and keeping the copyright, you know, basically It's gonna get blocked on YouTube. We covered it very recently. With this exact same thought. It keeps happening. It keeps happening.

It doesn't work. And the first time was i want to say it was in february of last year and it was you know them playing sublime playing the beatles and stuff like that and then so you probably know the most recent one was uh santa anna did y'all talk about that one yeah yeah disney track yeah yeah and it was just yo that's not how this works right at all and i know but that being said a lot of people do think that's how it works right but but this is something where you would think that i would imagine not to give anybody any ideas but i would imagine that police departments at some point would have sent out a memo to their you know to the employees saying hey listen not only is this a bad idea it doesn't actually work so don't know it but people keep doing it's been a year since the first one and we're talking about

this keeps happening specifically in california and these are happening really close to each other so it's not like some far off land it's just y'all haven't got the memo yet. You still trying to, you trying to play Mulan? Right. We're leaving crime solving and the only people who are deputized to like use murder, like at their own discretion to people who have the analytical nose for the truth of my aunt, who sends me email forwards

like that's that's where they're at that is their fact-checking process is just like somebody sent me this where i saw a viral video and didn't even think wait this viral video is up yes and the music is playing so therefore work right it did not work. Yeah. There's like, I mean, I think it also speaks to how the impunity at which they operate, you know, like they really don't feel like they, no one can hold them to account. And so when they do stuff like this, like these blatant tricks to obscure their behavior, it's like, that's like you, you know, buying burner phones for your illicit drug operation, but then be like, no, these burner phones are just other phones I use. They're not to cover up anything. Whereas this is so aggressively meant to be like, I'm playing this music so you can't actually broadcast to anyone how I'm, you know, transgressing in any way. And that's the solution to this is merely to just do this. And it was the same thing we were saying.

It's like, might as well put a ski mask on and take your badge off. Be like, I don't know who I am and I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. And that's, and that's the wild thing is every single time that this has been observed, they've all been doing something really innocuous. Just sitting around. There's never been,

I, or at least, you know, as far as we've seen, because who knows, maybe it would have worked. Maybe it's worked at some point, but it's not like they were doing something really sensitive it's always been just some dudes sitting around in

station and they feel annoyed that there's an activist in there and they start turning on some tunes it's sure you know but then that brings you to okay well what if derek chauvin would have turned on the squad car radio and it would have worked right which is what you know obviously i think is when people are really concerned about this that's what's concerning them but it's just it's wild to me that this continues to happen because it's such an obviously bad idea there's no there's no reasonable explanation for it but they keep doing it right and i'm just i'm perhaps i shouldn't be surprised but i i guess it's when the santa ann one happened i was really just we're still doing this y'all are still doing this so yeah somebody's got to do a movie a movie scene where like it's

that scene where like there's you know 20 different people scrambling up the fire escape and like getting ready to rappel down and then they just like turn on we don't talk about bruno like before right before they do it like the bad guys are like it's we don't talk about bruno like they're coming i could definitely i don't know i could see that i could see that yeah yeah there we go that'd be this you know dark very dark but yes i like that's what your mind went is oh this this is well known enough that we could make this a plot point and the very observant would know exactly what's going on well like because the like gritty supposedly realistic cop movies are always you know at least they have like some guy who's like i'm a true detective like i'm good

police and it's like no they're idiots like that i want a gritty police uh drama where it's like these guys are fucking dumb you guys right right holy shit what's something you think is underrated overall i think being nice is underrated but specifically i think being being nice to video game developers i think is really underrated i don't know why we can't just be nice to people who make games right for us what what specific bit of outrage are you referencing today all of them basically i mean there there's one specifically that legit i basically started y'all played halo infinite i played a little bit of it yeah okay yo that fan base is so toxic i had to stop playing man it's so bad if you i mean obviously reddit you know maybe just don't

go on reddit period but i started getting really really into halo man i was playing so much i've probably put in 150 hours over the course of maybe a month and some change i was putting work man and i was getting all right and you know you're playing the game and you want to learn you just oh maybe i could find some tips online or something like that right so you know there's people who are posting clips and stuff like that on youtube and of course i always read the comments because people add stuff in or whatever right yo every all of it if you look up things you'll learn something in the videos oh here's how to do this trick or here's here's here's a strategy for this map or whatever right right but man all the comments are just man these devs they don't even care about xyz and man

i remember when devs used to care about the craft of making video games just bro have you ever played karate kid for nintendo yeah right have you played the x-men game on fucking nintendo you see the way you know what yeah i mean and it's but and then the other wild thing is all that toxicity. I feel like it's somehow it's gotta be feeding it. You know, if it turns into this vac or this kind of spiral, right. And then the people making videos, they'll be saying, yeah, here's this trick on how you can catch somebody by surprise. We go around the corner, but also, you know what, man, forget this game. These devs are terrible. Maybe they'll fix it, but I really don't think they are. Bro bro you're making a living on making content about

halo and then what happens yo i promise you man right after this is i'm watching all these halo videos and then the algorithm youtube algorithm kicks in right so first i watch a few halo videos and it says oh you're interested in halo should start showing me some more halo videos right and then it says hey perhaps you'd like these joe rogan experience clips and then it says perhaps you'd like this jordan peterson he's mad too yeah yeah and then jordan peterson's crying in this one would you would you like to see a compilation of ben shapiro owning college liberals and it's just yo yeah just the the pipeline from just halo to just being trying to play some regular regular video games just going straight just off the deep end man is right it's it's bad yo i'm just i'm just trying to play some video games we got to be nice

to these people man they're trying to make games for us if only like how are you gonna it's like getting mad at like somebody at a company who's like they're not really calling the shots either too like the the amount of work developers have to put in like the the fucked up work practices of being like okay so we're behind on this game or like we're not on schedule y'all are gonna have to work yourselves into the ground to deliver a thing that is then gonna get people are gonna get mad at because we didn't give you guys adequate time to even program the game like there's like this whole the way the industry works is only exacerbating that too yes and i think that's wild that people more people aren't aware of it's like yo get mad at the at the company first not

the individual developers first like that's why all this shit is happening harassing the developers and stuff like that and and and that's i mean it's precisely like that we're just now getting the point where you know video game reporters will report on the labor practices of the company right and then you'll see that then you'll see the fans of the game get mad and saying yo why are you talking about that you know get right bring my game out faster. Bro, chill. They're working 80-hour weeks. They're not getting paid well. How about this?

Then don't buy the game. Yeah. Oh, but you're not going to do that. So then shut up. Do something else. Read a book. It's fine. Oh, there's so many good books.

Have you guys heard of these things? Books? Yeah. Holy shit. I just read a book while i was on vacation i read this classic novel it's the prima guide to tomb raider 2 on playstation just classical literature you know what i mean great shit amazing amazing yeah man i don't know so yeah i feel like you know if you if you know a game developer just you know give them a hug

give them a hug or or just don't that thing you know a game developer, just, you know, give them a hug. Give them a hug. Or just don't, that thing you were going to tweet at them, just don't. You could just not tweet at them. Or if you have to tweet and say, hey, I know this isn't your fault, but I'm still a piece of shit and I will go on with this tweet. By the way, the path that

YouTube tried to take you from, like, complaints about Halo to Joe Rogan to Ben Shapiro is the path. Again, we're retracing what led us to QAnon. Like right there. Right. Game or gate. Yeah.

Yeah. Something about being mad at video games just really segues nicely into authoritarianism and the death of America. It's weird. It's it's. Yeah. Here we are. Here we are. Yeah. I feel that way about like a lot of culture i feel like well watching the nba playoffs and just like so much of the twitter commentary is just people being like he did that on purpose he sucks this is bullshit

like he doesn't stack up with jordan is just like, what the fuck is wrong with everybody? Like, this is just fun. Like these guys are fucking performing miracles in front of you for your entertainment. It happens all the time, right? Is like, there are things that bring you joy. And then when it's not hitting the same for you,

like you get really, it's, it's like fucking, you get confused and you start being like, well now I'm angry at the fucking thing that doesn't give me as much joy rather than taking a second be like hold on there might be other things happening it's not just that the devs fucking suck at this thing or hate me or don't care right all right let's take a quick break we'll come right back and talk about student loans.

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are more generous than we assume. My assumption, my feeling, my hunch is that a lot of us are actually looking for a way to disagree and still be in a relationship with each other. All that on the Happiness Lab. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. And we're back. And there's a debate swirling these days as it relates to student loan debt forgiveness. And, you know, Biden's poll numbers are very low. And so people are like, hey, remember this idea that you said you were going to do and then said you weren't going to do a little bit ago? Like, maybe we maybe we take another look at that. Yeah. And right now, you know, there have been some steps this week where they're forgiving 40,000 student loans and trying to provide aid to millions more.

But it's falling short of the kind of debt forgiveness that we were talking about. The fucking turkey pardon? 40,000. pardon 40 000 right and in general to you know shore up people's funds so they are able to you know move on with their lives and not just be saddled with student debt and like i was like just this week like you can already see even like with you know out like news outlets that are more focused towards like democrats that the more moderate centrist corporate dem takes are being like, sure, you could cancel student debt, but then like what? I mean, it's just a bandaid fix. And like, plus like a lot of people are going to get mad because like, they're going to be like, what about my, you know, what about my issues? And sort of leaving it there. You have also then

the progressives who are like, you need to cancel this. That's a thing we've been talking about for so long. It's holding so many people back, not just young people, but people, there are people like the people who owe the, like the people 35 and up own just a slight majority of the actual, all of the student debt that's owed right now. And then even then a lot of those people own, oh, like 50% or more on their loans still, still being in the 35 and up cohort. So this kind of thing is just going back and forth and back and forth. And I think the issue is like, it's starting to become, it's reminding me of like the, just the idea of police reform. And then you got this one term or phrase defund the police, which in general people like, yes, but if you're not savvy enough

to understand the nuance behind it, you're just going to be like, defund the police. Then no police will show up when there's crime. And with this, canceling student debt, I think people are looking at the same thing, which is like, well, you cancel student debt, then what? Well, it's what people have been saying since the beginning, what activists have been saying since the beginning, which is we need to actually look at the entire educational system and the financial system that is used for people to attain higher education. This is all part of a larger conversation because tuitions have skyrocketed. And we're not just tackling it from like, well, let these people get some free money. We need to even think of what does it mean to get a college degree? Who has access to it?

to get a college degree, who has access to it if you want to learn a trade that it shouldn't set you back for decades because you're simply trying to learn some life skills to better yourself. And I think that's what's kind of missing in a lot of the discussions. But I think at the end of the day, it's really clear that one side is really trying to make it seem that this is actually it's going to backfire on Joe Biden if he does this when I really have trouble understanding how that works. Yeah, the the reform, you know, it's just like a straw man thing where they're like, well, by reform, you're going to just make everybody mad. And because because they're assuming like all all the the dumb things that could go wrong with it like all the worst versions of it there's there's like this brookings institute study that a lot of these people reference right and they're like i'm wrong well they're like well look at like you they'll hear this talking point

they'll say well uh 20 like the highest earning 20 of student loan borrowers hold 30% of the debt. So it's going to benefit wealthy people too much. Okay, by that logic, 80% hold 70%? The lower 80% hold 70% of the debt? Right. I'm like, I think that actually benefits a plurality of people that wouldn't otherwise be able to pay their debts. And I get the sort of nuance of saying like, there are people who go to medical school and now they're set up to make millions over time. So their debt isn't as big of an issue. And sure,

you can look at that and try and find a way to at least address the people who are the most crippled by their debt. I think that's completely fair. And I think that that's worthwhile. But to then just sort of end the conversation there rather than the larger conversation which is higher education has become a runaway train of like high tuitions the financial system is predatory and we're we're holding generations back and we're not treating it like a systemic issue yeah it's it's a mess man i mean even because before i was doing the journalism thing, man, you know, I was strictly, you know, working on a PhD and, you know, finish that. And I watch people. I mean, first off, I used to get people.

People would ask me for advice. You know, hey, I'm thinking about getting a PhD. You know, my advice to anybody, listen, don't. Why? Why would you do that? You know, I'm happy with what I have or whatever, but, you know, why would you do it? And even for college, it's. I look at how. I look at the people who are coming in and kind of the expectations that they have that they're just going to have be able to live after they leave. going to have be able to live after they leave and they're more and more concerned the last class i taught was over the summer and i mean you could see it the students are they're nervous man because they know they're taking on all this debt and it affects the way even just the way that they're

able to choose classes and stuff like that and yeah man it's it's it's weird that I suppose I'm not surprised, though, that this the possibility of, you know, relieving student debt came up and then it went away pretty quickly. That didn't shock me at all. Right. You know, perhaps it's disappointing, so I would say. But I'm not surprised. Right. I mean, I think there's like this whole thing, too, is like, well, just don't even it's going to be too opportunistic or whatever they think. I'm like, well, so is lying to people to get to vote for you. So I don't know what the argument is there. being written that, you know, this is clearly just meant to benefit the elites. Like Republicans go to college too. And they also have student debt and student debt relief is polling at much higher

levels in the fucking tax cuts from 2017. Yet they still went through with that shit. So there's a lot of like, there's a lot of disingenuous talking points coming out. But like, if you really take some of these like moderate Democrats at their word, we're like, they're saying you can't just cancel it. There's like so many other things it's a band-aid fix you're right so you're saying that we need to address not just cancel like forgive this debt but we also need to address the underlying problems because this is a systemic issue and a band-aid fix won't work similar to like when a police department's like oh we, we just need to ban choke holds. Right. Oh, that's it's just the choke holds. No, it's not just the choke holds. This is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed. And I think people like the conversation,

I think moderates are doing a really good job of just framing it as these people want free money and Republicans are going to and working class people are going to be so pissed when this happens rather than like the reform that I think a lot of people were so pissed when this happens rather than like the the reform that i think a lot of people were thinking of when this administration was potentially going to come to power of like are we going to actually take a look at community college who gets to get an education if they want to and have a reality where that uh is the norm yeah i mean the the price of even just here in california man the price of the ucs is just skyrocketed continually continually and yeah i mean it's viewed as a ticket to have a decent middle class life but it's just okay if you don't

buy that ticket a lot of people feel like okay well i'm stuck but yo have y'all seen um have y'all seen paid off the the game show that michael torpe No. Yo, so this is some real, so I don't think it's on anymore, but for a while, it was a game show. And I forget what channel it was on, but it was done, the host is Michael Torpy, so he was in Orange and Blue Black, and I think he was in a Hanes commercial also.

But basically, the conceit of the show is you would go on, and if you would go on and if you win the game if you win the game show they pay for your student debt for you wow that's the entire conceit of the show and it's super it's so it's very just you know boring dystopia vibes right but i'm sort of surprised i really wish it would come back because i feel like that would it was so obviously just depressing to watch because you know it was a fun game show it's a very stand it was a very standard game show he would ask you know really just softball questions because the thing is he actually wanted people to win but only one person out of the three would win but it would just be yeah my name's michelle and i have twenty thousand dollars

in student debt hi my name is robert i have ninety five thousand dollars in student debt and you would just hope well i hope robert wins man because right go robert you know what i mean yeah but it was just watching that stuff i don't't I feel like we've gotten into this part of the conversation where it's it turns into where I see the conversation going often is, man, you know, what about personal responsibility? What about personal accountability? it's just man what about being trapped in a system and lied in a lied to in a system and being given no other choice what about that and you know if you i see people saying yo i mean you know this is my personal opinion man but you know if i have my student loans paid off and then and then they cancel student debt i'm not gonna be mad it's just good right i'm right i'm glad i'm glad that i was able to and the people who couldn't can do it you what kind of person gets mad about that that's such an odd thing to get angry over

but well because i think you know being humane is like a zero-sum game to americans yeah you know that there's not like an abundance of understanding human beings could tap into so it's like well then if we start doing that then there's nothing could tap into. So it's like, well, then if we start doing that, then there's nothing for me when I'm, it's like, what the fuck are we talking about? Like the, the focus of most people's lives should be,

well, how can I, like, how can I make life easier for myself, for other people? And you know, if, if why should I get in the way of somebody,

you know, like somebody's life getting easier, especially if it doesn't impact me negatively. And just because I was like on this timeline before this person isn't necessarily what's going to make me incensed it's like you would look back and say wow that's i'm so glad the future doesn't have to endure that because this shit is fucked up yeah i mean it's like it's like driving home with a you know a thing full of groceries in your in your cadillac and you drive by a soup kitchen and you just get mad that there's a soup kitchen just bro you don't need the soup kitchen

right it's all right you got soup in your car right why do they get soup it's just bro because they need soup let them have some soup it's cool it's not hi do you need soup no then what's your fucking problem yeah if you need soup pull out but Then what's your fucking problem? Yeah. If you need soup, pull out. But if you don't, keep driving, bro. You're fine. Keep it fucking moving. I think in that riff, that applies to fucking every single issue most people have, where they're like, I can't believe that

they're gonna let, they're gonna teach some kids whatever the fuck they think is gonna happen. And you think that, like, and I get that in their mind, they think it's a direct line to the degradation of Western civilization or whatever but at it but it's not affecting you this these aren't the things that affect you and they've and so often people get so focused on the wrong things that are like actually not affecting them at the expense of bringing attention to the shit that is affecting them right right and it's just that like our system is broken by

inequality and with like anything that is going to like get rid of that and like i you know the the fact that you are rooting for the money of people who are in debt to go to like money lending like banks like what the i don't know it just it seems like people need to start taking more of a holistic view to the system because the system's in really fucking bad shape right now and i but and i think this is the this is the part that they have to figure out right is i get that the optics of forgiving student debt would to many people just seem like well i didn't go to college so i don't fucking benefit from that. What the fuck do I have to look forward to?

And I think that's why everything that was being, you know, dangled in front of voters for the presidential election in 2020 gave people a thing like, OK, well, maybe I didn't go to college, but oh, look, there's going to be some child tax credits. There'll be some, you know, free pre-K, some child care. I benefit from that. There was something for everybody to not look at, well, this only benefits this group. And I think when you don't have a real policy to tackle inequality, that will really benefit like, you know, a plurality of people. Yeah. You can get stuck in these little moments. You're like,

well, we're only selectively addressing inequality rather than really saying this is a this is an issue we're trying to do we're trying to work every lever we can to make life easier rather than getting me like okay let's get hung up on this issue until it's really beneficial for us politically right before a midterm to then say all right forgiven get out there and vote or here's some weed legalization or whatever they have in their back pocket which we constantly think we're always being like, OK, well, when's the scandal going to come where they are like, OK, here's a smoke bomb for y'all. Now, look at that. All right. Let's take another quick break and we'll come back and talk Tucker.

We're talking Tucker. I'm Jess Casavetto executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil the 7M TikTok cult and I'm Clea Gray former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church and we're the host of the new podcast Forgive Me For I Have Followed

together we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA basedbased Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling first- firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. And we're back. And yeah, so Tucker Carlson, I don't know. I was shocked by, like, I only watch clips of his show when I absolutely have to. And there was some context where I saw his defense of Putin, where he was like, has Putin ever called me racist? Right. Has does Putin eat dogs was literally what he followed that up with. Oh, and then, yeah, just like straight up getting mad that someone called him racist while in the same breath saying the most racist shit ever. But he is caping hard like he just he really likes Putin and wants wants the world to know yeah i mean you know it it made sense kind of back then you know with trump in office and everything about the conservative media was like trying to normalize putin but we're in a very different situation now and you know not everyone on fox or even the

right-wing media sphere is really even parroting this take anymore like in fact the ones that do are typically shouted down like you know madison cawthor was like, I mean, Zelensky is a thug. And like the leadership was like, yo, shut the fuck up. And I'm Kevin McCarthy. I'm I'm a fucking ghoul. And I'm still we can't be talking like that. Even if we do believe it low key, we just were smart enough to understand how the media works. Newsmax, however, fucking Newsmax seems to really, you know, kind of be grossed out by Tucker's Kremlin crooning that he's been engaging in. In particular, one of their anchors, Eric Bolling, had like things to say just straight to Tucker during his show.

And he had recently finished an interview with Vladimir Klitschko, whose brother Vitaly Klitschko is the mayor of Kiev. interview with vladimir klitschko whose brother vitaly klitschko is the mayor of keeve and also you probably remember the klitschko bro yeah the boxers those guys uh one of them is now the mayor of keeve if you didn't know but after you have a moment just google the picture of them next to sylvester stallone that's yeah he comes up to their hip that's like they are the they broke heavyweight boxing by just being so much bigger than everybody yeah them and lennox lewis it was crazy and like and they're like super intelligent too like they're just anyway they're like superhuman so after this interview vladimir came on to eric bowling show on newsmax and was essentially just getting him up to speed on all the horrors that have been committed by the Russians, the killings of civilians, what had happened in places like

Bucha. And Bolling was affected by this, you know, interview and apparently just decided he's like, you know what, I got to talk. I got to address Tucker Carlson like after this, basically saying, hey, knock it off with this shit. So here is fucking Eric Bolling of Newsmax just trying to reason with Tucker Carlson. In the weeks past, I could see why it was best to not even address Russia's blatant propaganda. But now, after what we're seeing in Bucha, things are different. Everything is different now. This is a turning point in history. Now, I'm not here to slam Tucker. I have the utmost respect for him. But, Tucker, you don't want to be associated with this. Certainly, you don't want it to be part

of your legacy to be associated with a war criminal, an evil madman committing blatant genocide and atrocities just across the ocean. You don't want to be associated with that in any way. The video is heartbreaking, Tucker. You're even seeing these images that I'm seeing. It's unbelievable. And after talking to Ukrainians like Vladimir Klitschko, we did right here on the show. So he kind of goes on and this is sort of like, this is, this ain't it? Please, Tucker Carlson. Now, this is odd coming from Newsmax, who is all, was all in on every single right-wing nonsense talking point, whether it was ivermectin

or hydroxychloroquine or whatever the fuck, and Stop the Steal, they were really fanning the flames along with OAN, like none other, but they somehow found their line with war crimes. And it's just interesting to see that they feud in

this other way, but it's usually about who can out MAGA the other network. And in this one, I guess this Newsmax has tried the high road, but it's just a very interesting scenario. We're watching these two come at each other in this specific way. see somebody who looks like a like that should have been who hosted the running man game in that 80s movie like that just like a perfect like orange spray tan but like having him just be like speak speaking truth about about morality the way he said it right where he was like hey i was fucking with putin too until i saw the war crimes in Bucha. He does talk about essentially that seems like things are different now. Or maybe he's trying to give him a way out saying because he does say, look, I know you were saying all that shit about who cares about Ukraine with your like America first goggles on. And he's like, look, I'm MAGA, too. Like, I get that. But there's a difference here. And that is sort of the nuance that is being sort of brought to light by Newsmax is jarring, to say the least.

I was, I remember seeing the clip, hearing the clip of Tucker saying, did he call me racist? And it's just, where did this come from? Is that? Yeah. Why? Is that? Yeah. Well, why? Well, because that is that is worse. Being called racist is worse than anything racism can do, in their opinion. Like they they treat that like the ultimate hate crime is somebody calling them racist. Yeah. And so the logic being that the real enemy calls me racist, which is the left and people who want progress. That's the real enemy. People like Vladimir Putin were on the same page with a lot of stuff. So I don't understand why I'm meant to hate this person when I'm over here having to shield myself from attacks from people who accurately describe my show as filled with xenophobia and hatred

yeah yeah it was just it it gave me this is perhaps a terrible comparison but when when he said that my mind immediately went to muhammad ali with so you know no vietnamese ever called me nigger and it was right because you know for a lot of people, yo, this really is, the R word is the worst thing you can call them. And, you know, so that was what Muhammad Ali was trying to impress on people saying, listen, you all are brutalizing

me here. Why would I go somewhere else to brutalize people, right? Now, I would say that, you know, and I think that was actually something that a lot of people needed to hear, whether they wanted to hear it or not. Now, I'd say, of say that you know and i think that was actually something that a lot of people needed to hear whether they wanted to hear it or not now i'd say of course you know ducky's you know analysis is is quite a bit less sophisticated but it was just what is this is when you're thinking of things that people could do to you right things that awful things that

people could do to you you know forget about how one governs it's okay what would make me not like this person well he if he called me the r word that would really upset me it's just yo what timeline are we on i mean and also i'm like wow so the stakes are so low for you that that's the biggest threat on your list is someone saying or just calling you something because if you ask a trans person or you ask a person of color what kind of existential threats they face it's probably a lot worse on top of name calling that they have to face to try and just navigate this country yes precisely yeah and yeah it's almost like you need to actually take stock of that sounds like not much can get to you. That sounds like a pretty good place to be.

If nothing can fuck with you, that you have to make up a fucking raise the specter of someone saying you're racist to fucking freak you out. Oh, no, you really don't have shit going on. That is actually a threat to you. But you have to make this shit up because that's what, you know, your insistence on like white hegemony does to your brain. I just find I find the absolute, you know, I'm going to stay away from the, you know, the snowflake language type stuff here. But, you know, the absolute fragility that you see in a lot of people where, yo, if you call them homophobic, they lose their mind. You call them racist. they lose their mind. And it's just, yo, if somebody calls you that, I mean, chill.

Maybe they got a point. Maybe they don't. Who knows? But you're probably going to be okay. You're probably going to be all right. It's a learning opportunity. Yeah. Compared to, as you were saying, I was like, you know, call me a name.

Call a lot of other people a name all day. There are other things that are more pressing concerns like yeah physical safety can you get a job you know all these other things you know i mean it's it's wild that that turns into you know the way in which somebody judges whether somebody's a bad person or not is yeah and i think speaks to the the lengths people will go to not confront those kinds of biases they have. Right. Because if my response to hearing something like that is to just get super defensive, then I'm already framing it as like, this is such kind of messy and i was like i'm not fucking messy you know what i mean but i never heard that shit and i never really wanted to confront that shit so my first response is i'm not fucking lionel messy fuck out of here i am fucking very good i am a good boy but you take that shit and you have to get rise to a level of immaturity where you can hear something and be like,

interesting. Am I? Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. I am kind of interested to see how, how that sort of thing plays out because you know, the right has in general,

it'll kind of, they'll sort of find, they'll find a party line. You know what I mean? So to get into game speak, you know, they'll find the meta is just, Oh, this, this is, this is what messes up the left. This is what freaks them out party line you know i mean to get into game speak you know they'll find the meta is just oh this this is this is what messes up the left this is what freaks them out and you know right for the most part a lot of people will say okay well you seem to be more focused on this

thing i'm more focused on this thing but we can agree to do this let's all do this but splitting like that is it seems a little unusual i don't think we see that so often so you know it'll be interesting to watch yeah i mean part of me just looks at everything that's happening with newsmax and fox i'm like what's the fuck what's the real game here like yeah it can't be that you suddenly have found your humanity and you're like because are you going to start to talk are you going to start calling out racism on the network? Because I don't think so. They're promoting a Wrestlemania like event where different

anchors from each of the channels. Logan Paul is going to walk in with Tucker Carlson to the ring. Yeah, who the fuck knows. Yeah, it's only a matter of time. But yeah, as absurd as it sounds, who knows? It could all happen. Stranger things have happened.

Stranger things have absolutely happened. We're on the timeline where that could happen, and that would be... Yeah, we're on the timeline where Newsmax is shaming Fox for their pro-Russian takes. And you're like, what? Okay. I think this is... Anything could happen. Anything could happen.

What a time to be alive. Yeah. My friends. There, there was like a tweet from some non-American who I don't, I'm not familiar with, but for whatever reason, the timing of this,

they were just like, Hey, I just got out of America. Like you guys are really on the break, huh? Like you're, you guys are fucked. Like people are like,

what, how do you mean? What do you mean? And they're like, Oh, like the what do you mean and they're like oh like the just horrible inequality the rise in like unhoused community like how quick everyone's trigger is like and i i forget what else they listed but they were just like it's it's really bad there right now no you're really fucking bad there you're bad why don't you go back to fucking sweden okay asshole okay is that where they're from yeah i think so i think it was like a house music dj or something yeah go back to sweden go hang out with young lean but it is

true i mean that's why i feel like when you go to other countries where there's like socialized medicine and like there's social safety nets, the vibes are so different. And it's like funny how people can just tell like, oh, wow, like everyone's so like relaxed. It's like, well, first of all, one of the things that's off their plate is like, I'll die if I don't have a job. If I don't stop working. Yeah. Yeah. So that stress is taken. And there are many other existential

threats that exist that are maybe unique to another place but that's sort of like a foundational thing where their government's like oh man you shouldn't go broke because you got sick no no no we're not doing that but here it's like oh okay broke boy what do you want on your tombstone and it ain't gonna be pepperoni you twisted your ankle guess you're gonna die yeah exactly oh you know twisted your ankle hey y'all you can put the candles right here underneath this basketball hoop uh for this guy's twisted ankle from a pickup game pick up your airbrushed shirts uh at the end of the night the the go fund me isation of medical care has been it i mean it been i've been obviously you know this is not unique i've been thinking about this for a long time but just the fact that people are you know actually

this is something that's recommended to people it's just oh if you get sick start a gofundme it's just yo what i mean i would i would love to see the actual numbers of what yeah and i would be surprised if they make these things public because i can't imagine it would look good but what the actual numbers of gofundme is now especially you know pandemic area because people using gofundme especially when somebody dies of covid you know they're using gofundme for the funeral you know i mean but yeah just go fund you know it used to be hey i have an idea for a car that turns into a boat and i need a hundred thousand dollars so please contribute and now it's i broke my leg and i can't work and so right or like i'm making this page for

my co-worker who doesn't speak english yeah it's help with their bills because they got injured at their factory gig and they're not trying to fucking help them because they're being paid under the table and everything's fucked up because they were being exploited the other thing is too is like less than 12 of those medical ones reach their goal too yeah so for as much as that you see like only a fraction of them are you know reaching the goal where that help is like reaching the people and again it's just another more you know the underlining the american motto which is like hey welcome to america their help is not on the way yeah yeah take care of yourself for for your student loans take care of yourself for your medical loans

all that you need some stinger missiles? Okay, what else do you need? Some heavy machine? Okay, we got you. Help is on the way. Hell is on the way. Let me holler at my boy, Raytheon, real quick. They're coming through.

Help is on the fucking way. I hope you have that money ready. Well, Dexter, it's been such a pleasure having you on the show. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff?

Yeah, yeah. Ending on a happy note. Yes. Always. Yeah. all social media uh dex digi d-e-x-d-i-g-i whatupdex.com that one works too but yeah man just everywhere out here doing it and is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying a tweet or social media man i've been staying away oh tweets i try to stay off of twitter man um my i i basically just get on twitter to tweet get off the internet uh it highly encouraged people to seriously i think that's the last tweet i made

was just get off the internet but um i've been enjoying there is a guy who posts, I think he's a voice actor, and he's been posting himself as Columbo, just interacting with people that Columbo would never speak to, like Light and Death Note. So it's just, I forget, if you search Columbo and Death Note, you will find it. But yeah, man, just people, there's a lot of voice actors who are just acting like these characters who you'd never think of. And they're just remixing it with people who they should not be remixed with. But it's pretty good. Highly recommend it. Nice. Beards of death, she calls them.

Real scary stuff. Okay. Beards of death, she calls them. Real scary stuff. Okay. Beards of death, she calls them. And I've never actually watched Columbo, but that actually made me want to watch Columbo now. So now I've been watching just recaps of Columbo episodes and laughing the whole time because I'm imagining him talking to, you know, like from Death Note.

I have a cursory understanding of Death Note. Watched a lot of colombo yeah i've watched neither yeah my grandma loved that shit because i think she always liked the she just likes the vibe of like this motherfucker thing he gonna get away and because he always likes to switch it up oh one more thing like just that which is like there he goes get him colombo you had a fucking rope adult his ass so we were we were cheering on from that side uh miles where can people find you what's a tweet you've been enjoying find me on twitter and instagram at miles of gray uh also the other show look you like the nba check out jack and i's uh nba podcast miles and jack got

mad boosties where we just have fun conversations celebrating the NBA. And also, if you like, you know, 90 Day Fiancé, check out my other show for 20 Day Fiancé. You know what's happening over there. Some tweets that I like. The first one is from Ali Siegel, past guest Ali Siegel at Online Allison tweeted, going on my first vacation with boyfriend. Does anyone have any tips slash tricks for holding in your shit for eight days?

Which, you know, I say just let it go. Let it go, Elsa. Because that's how you'll know you're with somebody who's, you know, who can understand your humanity. Another one is from at very calm chowder. It's a picture of this, like, dude just standing out on a railing looking off. And the caption on this Picture the guy's picture Is important than the caption which says

I bring a sort of we should all Quit vibe to the workplace That managers don't really like And the last one is from The vibe at Small airports is like if they made your Divorced dad's apartment a business. That was mine. Oh, shit.

That's how I feel about the Eugene airport. The Eugene airport is kind of like that. You know what I mean? Like, Eugene airport, and I like, look, I love Eugene, but the airport, to me, feels like that thing where it's like, oh, are there people here? And then you're like, oh, yeah, over there, okay, okay, we'll have,

it's fine, it's fine. It's fine. Um, well, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. Uh, you can find us on Twitter at daily zeitgeist. We're at the daily zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website daily zeitgeist.com where we post our episodes on our footnotes,

uh, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode uh as well as a song that we think you might enjoy also just a shout out was josh fabus who uh tweeted the thing i referenced i say this with a huge amount of love and respect because i enjoy visiting here but the usa feels on the brink of total financial and social collapse 98 98,000 likes. So, yeah. But Miles, what's a song that we think people might enjoy? What does that person know? Just by merely observing the state of this country.

Oh, boy. You can hear it in our voices, can't you? We're going to go out on new collaboration between some of my favorite artists. Madlib and the drummer Kareem Riggins. Together, they have a, I think they have a group called Supreme Team, but this is another group when they come together called the Jahari Masamba Unit.

And if you don't like Kareem Riggins or Madlib, you don't know hip-hop. Okay? And also, Kareem Riggins is one of the most talented drummers, jazz drummers, hip-hop drummers out there. If you like J Dilla, you shouldmers, hip-hop drummers. It's out there. If you like J Dilla, you should know that both of these people regularly work with J Dilla. But

there's a live album that they're doing, and this track is called Riesling Poor Robert, and it's spelled P-O-U-R. But yeah, just a really, really fun project from two great, great artists. So check that out. Alright, well the Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts

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