The Daily Zeitgeist - America Runs On Crushing Protests, Hot AI Stepmoms 04.26.24

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

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Hey! Hi, hi! What's up? Welcome, welcome. How are you? Doing okay? I'm doing pretty good. I mean, like, personally, I'm doing pretty good.

Yeah, yeah. The world is crazy. The world is crazy the world is crazy yeah it's a very uh intense time but like personally you know i got a comedy special i got a boyfriend i got two cats there you go damn yeah the bf and the cats yeah yeah yeah yeah what can you ask more for you know i get it and in these times we just have to retreat into our cats sometimes yeah i know i know you have no i man i just i have vivid memories of even like in 2020 like holding like my dog like you have no idea do you

yeah i know i had a moment of like visceral jealousy towards my cat right like where i was just like oh my god like he has literally no idea that any of this stuff is going on. He's just like, he's just like the main thing that happens every day is that the mommy slash God lady brings me food and then pets me. That's what's happening in the world. That's the breaking news. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yellow socks today. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Damn. Your cat views you as mommy slash God lady instead of personal assistant. Okay. Yeah. And that's about it. Yeah. Damn, your cat views you as mommy slash godlady instead of personal assistant. That's impressive. You have a strong relationship. I actually have two cats and one views me as a personal assistant and one views me as Mother God.

Yes, Mother God, mommy. Yeah. Yeah, there's something about just napping in a sunbeam when i see like when i would see my dogs do that that just like made me so like it's just so simple so comfortable you don't do that i do that you find a little sunbeam on the floor and just curl up in it when la has that like switch you're like oh shit we're consistently warm now like we're out of this like do i wear sleeves today like i don't like i will i will go shirtless and just put my back on hot concrete and just be like oh so i don't know it's like a pastime i have i do it a lot there's i start sunning like a fucking lizard i mean i love that i love that for you i like how I was like, you don't do that, bro. Just go shirtless in the driveway.

Shirtless. Yeah. Just like warming yourself like a lizard. Warming via concrete. There's just something about hot concrete. Like when it feels like when it's cold in your house. I don't know. It's very, it's very inviting.

Damn, man. I don't know what's wrong with me. Simple pleasure, man. I don't know why I'm not doing that. Simple pleasure. Amazing. Well, Kate, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things that we're talking about. We have some good news out of Maine that I wanted to bring up. Maine has officially become a trans and abortion care sanctuary state. So we'll talk about that and what they had to overcome. A lot of death threats, a lot uh terroristic threats to to get there so we'll talk about that

we'll talk about meta's strong policies against sex work as long as said sex work is being performed by humans ai that shit is totally fine yeah go ahead they're down with that robot work is real work exactly that's right and that is what we are here to say yeah right all that plenty more but first kate we do like to ask our guest what is something from your search history i was recently this morning i was reading up on the supreme court uh grants pass versus organs you guys know about that case did you talk about it yeah is it is it is it a criminal act to be unhoused yeah I'm very I do a lot of reading about housing politics and oh man that one is it's just mind-blowing that they're like thinking about you know

criminalizing just like being outside if you have no place else to go i don't know sorry but i hate the supreme court yeah yeah no yeah we were just talking uh on was it tuesday tuesday's episode with rianne and her mom from the five to four supreme court podcast about that's a great podcast yeah yeah she's she's dope as fuck i think she actually just got arrested at the university of texas you know protesting on behalf of palestinians but yeah we were talking about that and it's just you know this it's the supreme court is doing what it's doing like there is a rot that has been created from just on what's the word i'm looking for untethered american unmitigated american capitalism and now we have to now just create laws that are just

trying to contain all that rather than addressing the real root causes, which like, well, we could do something about housing policy, but that's that's going to get in the way of the quote market. So we'll just make it illegal if you failed at the game of surviving in America. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that like, you know, speaking of like the protests that you were just mentioning, like it's just every every single problem people just you know by people i mean like the people in power see the same solution to it absolutely and i think that that should be noted by people to understand that like those are like using law enforcement and state violence like those are the responses of, you know, authoritarian regimes. Like, I believe that's a police state that you just defined.

Yeah. Yeah. State that just I mean, Joe Biden, you know, he did it in his like foggy old guy way. But he was, you know, giving a speech about he was like responding to the idea of defunding the police or you know funding the police even a little bit less and he was like we don't need to defund the police i mean come on they're they're your therapist they're your like he he was using the fact that the police are our answer to everything as like the reason to fund them more. Like you were like, and that's a good thing. And we should double down, triple down on that.

And I feel like a lot of people are like, man, that's dumb. But like this is the consequence of that. When the police are your everything. The police are my everything, you guys. That's what Homer Simpson said about beer. Cause of and solution to all of America's problems. Yeah. Losers.

Yeah. Only losers think the police are the solution to everything. Winners think cats are the solution to everything. That's right. Yeah. Cats and mushrooms. Yeah. Cats and mushrooms.

Cats and mushrooms. Cats with lasers on their heads. Right? Yeah. Sorry. Did I fuck this up? I think that would fuck with a cat, though, because it would just be chasing the fucking laser of its own creation i feel like that's that's now in my mind like that's actually cool for a laser mounted cat

or cat yeah no you're right it should probably be flamethrowers right because they don't chase flamethrowers in my experience no yeah. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated, Kate? Well, I'm going to change my answer because my original answer was cats. And we already covered that. Take that off. So there's a podcast that I love so much. I have nothing to do with this podcast. I just really like it.

It's called Citations Needed. And they do like media critique. And, you know, they're just really, really go into like, you know, the framings on New York Times, Atlantic, you know, so many of these like mainstream news sources, like, you know, on things like policing on, you know, the housing crisis. And I just I really love their work. That's like been such a huge source of education for me. And I feel like it's a very popular podcast, but it should be like 12,000 times more famous than it is. Yeah, there's a lot of popular podcasts. Yeah, it's good to it's good to hear about this one. So I don't understand those. Do they just read the new york times how could you criticize the new york times their objective and just the paper record right you know so yeah you know you get it lady yeah because democracy

dies in the dark and that's washington post actually dude also sick yeah yeah also but they're both like same in that they're just writing truth into existence. So, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, their source is the police. Yeah. For all of it. For all of it.

Even this other story about energy. According to police, you're like, wait, what? Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh, shit. According to police, wind power wind energy kills a lot of birds yeah right that feels okay wait so is that i'm like i've i've heard of the podcast before but it's essentially just sort of dissecting disassembling what sort of like these headlines are and just

being like and this is where it goes completely backwards um it's more like looking at various media tropes a lot of the time like you know for example one thing that they've been talking a lot about lately not to get too dark here is like you know the this frame of like precision strikes and like human shields and like all of this kind of language that the mainstream corporate media uses to really kind of paper over the violence of these things. And they really dissect what those tropes really mean. And'll have like experts and scholars on you know to talk about like you know what what does international law actually say but they also talk a lot about policing too and you know like the the idea that you were just making fun of of like you know just

interviewing the the police for like statements about policing so i, yeah, they're a really, really good podcast. It's two media critics who are both, you know, I think have done a lot of work with fairness and accuracy in reporting The Nation, other left publications. Yeah. Now, I'm told a precision strike just, I mean, you have smart bombs. So they'll, like, just fly in through a single window yeah look around the room for the bad guy yeah introduce themselves to the bad guy and then ask them to step outside where they can safely blow them up is that incorrect is that uh are the are the strikes

not that precise because that's what i was led to believe in the early 90s. Yeah. When I had fucking gummy snacks for Desert Storm, by the way. And the kids that I went to school with had B2 Bomber gummy snacks. Dude, I remember those. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah. The stealth. If you got the stealth bomber, holy shit.

That was like the secret flavor. Yeah. No, who can figure out what it is? Yeah. It's called Thunder Jets, wasn't it? I think that's right. Yeah, dude. I remember that shit.

I was like, bro. I was like, mom, I need to eat an F-16. I'm sorry. I just... I need that shit. I'm going to hand you this new nutrition chart. And F-16s is a major food group and then i'm like oh a yellow f-16 that's lemon gross it's just running down your chin yeah holy shit i'm like who's

norman schwartzkopf yeah yeah they tried to make norman and successfully for a couple years like made norman schwartzkopf like celebrity. A cool guy. I had fucking Desert Storm Ninja Turtles. I had those shits where Leonardo was a fucking Air Force pilot and shit. I'm like, yes, we will take down Saddam. With the Ninja Turtle way. What is something you think is

overrated? I think the TikTok ban, or I don't know if it's fair to call it a ban at this point because we don't really know if they're you know gonna sell the if by dance is gonna sell it or not and if it will continue to exist in the united states but to me you know that's very overrated like i i'm seeing you know various proponents of this ban you know be like well like social media is bad and you know there are data privacy concerns which is true with all social media yeah but like banning this app specifically you know it to me it seems to be about two things one which is you know like oh china that's so scary you know just

this kind of like really stupid xenophobia. Yeah, but did you know that they like beat people up for speaking out against their government's policies? Yeah. Oh, shit. Wait. Oh, no. Oh, shit.

That's okay. But yeah, go on. Yeah, there's a China of it all. Do you know that they do surveillance in China? That they're just the government looking at your yeah looking at your private messages it's out of control yeah yeah and i feel like everybody who ends up trying to like justify the tiktok ban like they're just showing their ass in every single way like to your point it's like if it's about privacy then what about the fucking american companies yeah you know what i

mean yeah i mean to me this just seems like it's like a, you know, either there's like some corporate interests that are, you know, hoping to buy it like for an American company. It's to protect American technological hegemony. You know what I mean? It's like this app is kicking our app's asses or our country's app's asses. Oh, fuck. That's one version and then there's this like very casual way of trying to explain away why younger people are more engaged and

outraged by what is happening in the country i've been like it's fucking tiktok it's not the fucking policies that we enact that create the hellscape in which they live that's radicalizing them it's this fucking thing that tells you to add more sugar to your water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, and I think that's a lot of it, too, is like, you know, there's just they don't have, you know, control over whatever, like, you know, sense like all the social media apps do censorship to to some degree, like, you know, like on TikTok,ok there is censorship like you can't say sex so people that's why they say segs which is extremely annoying it's really annoying when like gen z

college students will like type like segs on twitter or something it's like we don't we don't do that here here we say here in america like grown-ups no we call it fucking all right come on now yeah but you know there's like there's a there's different censorship right like china and like well it's not there's just like i think it's isn't it the ceo is like he is in singapore right yeah but either way tiktok is not their like censorship is not based on like u.s foreign policy interest right so they're not gonna like censor stuff just because it looks bad for the united states like whereas like you know new york times we see you know has like you know specific policies to know, censor the language of their journalists and reporters to not, you know, to not go against the State Department line. Yeah, it was a blast. It was not an Israeli bomb. It was a blast.

The protests turned violent when the police started becoming violent which is a we always so x we're gonna uh get that out of there yeah just just the protest it turned violent yeah yeah turned violent yeah i mean it's really good i think it's just like they don't i like when if i think about like the iraq war a lot and that was, you know, I think like really my political awakening, like I knew and everyone I knew knew that this like weapons of mass destruction thing was a lie. I felt like it was pretty obvious, you know, but we, you know, had the media just repeating this WTMT lie again and again. And now it's not like, they can't really lie to us in the same way a lot of the time because

we can see videos ourselves of what's happening. Yeah. So it's more like instead of lying, it's more like just gaslighting. They're like, no, that's not what you saw. That's don't believe your eyes, you know? Yeah. And if you disagree, like we're going to hit you. Yeah.

And the reason you disagree is actually just china is has infiltrated your brain and that's what i don't even have tiktok i just i just saw a news clip yeah that's no but you were people people who have tiktok told you that actually so i'm 78 years old has tiktok yeah it's yeah it's uh that's why it's like really interesting like we talk all the time about how the sort of propaganda playbook that the government tries to run it's just it's diminishing returns at this point it's like they're trying to be like that's actually not what's going on everyone's like you think we're fucking dumb or something like this ain't fuck

this ain't the 90s bro yeah you were like really recently no right could you like give us a break here we are used to yeah you guys being dumb dude yeah i'm not used to no 17 year old fucking pushing back like that what the fuck was that fucking kid fucking flamed me what the fuck i mean there's you know there's like i mean you know there's these like State Department and White House press conferences where they come out and they repeat these things that are obviously lies. You know, like, for example, like one thing, you know, was that Israel is not blocking aid to Gaza. Right. And, you know, like we can see videos of like the aid trucks not being let in. We can see individuals saying like, hey, I've gone here to block this aid. We can see every, you know, U.N. or other humanitarian staff person saying like, hey, we're trying to get this aid and they're not letting the truck in.

You know, and then they go out and they like the State Department spokesperson will go out and repeat like, oh, there's there's no evidence that they're blocking the aid. And it's like, you know, we know they know. So it's just gaslighting. It's not even lying anymore. Yeah. And yeah. And then you deal with shit boiling over like it is now because you can only tell somebody they're not seeing what they're seeing for so long and hope hope that it just goes away anyway biden you're doing a great job courting the youth vote just cracking skulls on campuses yeah perhaps arresting professors yeah yeah yeah yeah you're

you got this remember biden's campaign ad the charlottesville one it was like about like restoring the soul of our nation or something like that you know and it's like how's that going man you know yeah i mean i think it's the same soul it's which is you know as as american capitalism and neoliberalism will do just it just we lurch more further and further towards authoritarianism it's reminding me of like this morning i kept being reminded of that time in the 20 i think it was 2015 maybe 2016 republican primary where they were like oh yeah no it would be great if trump won are you kidding me we're gonna fucking demolish this guy it's gonna be right so easy but like there was probably some level of like,

and if he wins, like we can get, like we become left even by being what is currently the GOP party. You know, like we can get away with so much. We like take up, we get so much more ground now by like the, if he keeps going further and further to the right

so like this morning like as he's in front of the supreme court you know his lawyers are arguing that he can do purge and you know meanwhile the democratic fucking administration is just out here pulling a nixon administration like on on protesters it's like yeah I mean that's what having this uber right-wing like dictatorial regime dangling over everyone's head like buys them and like I do wonder if that was like part of the calculus from the start I think that you know it's like they're the Republicansans are just gonna keep getting like more and more fascist and the democrats can just you know keep getting more and more fascist as well because like you know this like uh this rhetoric that like the other the other guy the republicans

will be worse like that can be it can be literally used to justify anything like there's there's no limit to what it can be used to justify and i think we've seen that with like the gaza situation is like you know that you'll you'll see people like be like you know oh well like trump would do 10 genocides and it's like what yeah what the hell right and in this one i'm like shut the fuck up and let biden ignore this one oh yeah yeah fund this one that's what's so wild too because like i as i you know that we keep hearing about you know the what the what the republican will the republicans will bring if trump is president but as you look at it i'm like i'm you're you're you're brutalizing peaceful protesters

just like they were doing in 2020 and years past every single time and i'm like is the only difference going to be it's like well biden will just allow students to be tasered and maced and trump would probably allow like full-blown guns like maybe a week in or something like that yeah like but are we still dealing with the fact that we are not allowing peaceful, nonviolent protests to happen in the, because that's the crux of it. And yeah, I'm like,

you got it. I'm doing a really bad job differentiating here. Really bad job. And that's on you. Actually, that's on you and your brain. Oh, yeah.

So, yeah. Oh, so you want Trump? No, I never said that. I don't want Trump. Well, it sounds like you want Trump. I'm saying we need to be holding shit to a higher standard.

That's what I'm saying. And people are fucking up bad. That's what I'm saying. You said you want to be holding shit. Dude, this guy's a fuck. Did you hear this dude? He said he wants to be holding shit so dude this guy's a fuck did you hear this dude he said he wants to hold shit this guy wants to hold shit man no anyways you done me the media done me yeah got his ass yeah all right let's say let's take a quick break and we'll be right back I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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Yeah. Yeah. Or cooperation with law enforcement out of state for people who are like, they came to Maine for gender affirming care. And it's like, yeah, sorry. Like, you can't like we're not stay the fuck out because that's what we're trying to do. Yeah. A very nice. I thought for first when you said an island i thought you were

calling maine an island and i was like in a way i kind of i'm not good at geography okay the the the humble island of maine yes yes i mean like that's it feels like it up there up there on the tip there it's a really beautiful enormous state that, I mean, it's also very rural. You see some wild shit up in Maine if you ever drive through there. The extensive new law means that gender-affirming care and reproductive health care are legal rights in Maine and states that criminal and civil actions against providers and patients are not enforceable if the provision or access to the care occurred within Maine's borders. So, yeah, like Miles said, like they can't other states can't come in and basically, you know, issue arrest warrants. I mean, until they try, until they try. Yeah, that's kind of the fucking weird part is that, yeah, we're having to just sort of codify it in this very specific way.

And don't even think that if you have fucking wacky laws on your books, wherever you are, that you can come in and start running shit over here. right now is at the forefront of everyone's mind. And on social media, you see a lot of people who don't want this to be the case, who are like they weren't actually that peaceful, like they were, you know, scaring people. By sitting down on the grass yeah well that's like you know that can be a threatening okay that could be a threatening gesture but like first of all the two places like i keep seeing people compare it to like being like well back in the 70s and 60s like we were peaceful protesters and it's like compared to them no the fuck you were not like that at kent state like the things that the peaceful protesters at kent state did would by today's standards by these people like they broke a bank

window or something broke like a shop window they like that would that would be cause for like the entire nation to be thrown into fucking lockdown today like they they like jokingly told students to kill their parents like at the kent state thing and like that was used as justification to like bring in the national guard but like those would be read as like declarations of all out war on America were they to be done today by a group of like pro-Palestinian protesters. Yeah. And then you have this on the right

like the things that they're doing like the the bomb threats the just like physical threats of violence that like constantly happen on the right and just get completely fucking ignored by the mainstream media like this is just or it's like an aside you know yeah it's just like a detail of a of an alternate story but it's like not not the focus not like you know

the no nobody wants to like make that a front page news story it's just the the double standard is pretty incredible and has been for years like yeah you know the anti-abortion like violence that has happened is like the one type of violence like that that is like ideological that does not get called terrorism usually yeah yeah they're just like yeah they blew up a a clinic but it's like no that's fucking that they're killing people along ideological lines like that's that's terrorism by any other standard except the the standard in the american one of course it is yeah yeah there's this like really desperate as you Yeah. There's this like really desperate, as you're mentioning, there's this like very, you know, desperate attempt to obscure the fact that like, you know, most like political violence that happens in this country, the overwhelming majority is like

right wing psychos. Sorry to not describe that in a very, you know, objective way. But like, you know, these people who have like bombed abortion clinics or, you know, objective way. But like, you know, these people who have like bombed abortion clinics or, you know, like some of the people who stormed the Capitol, like, you know, that's that is violent. But, you know, it's like you'll see like these, you know, headlines. One of the headlines I saw about I think it was a protest at Yale was that one of the Yale protesters like stabbed someone in the eye. And I read that and I was like, oh my God, this is horrible. Whoever did that is a disgrace. You can't stab people in the eye for any reason. That's been our position as a podcast for a while now actually yeah but you know this was frames in the headlines that this person stabbed someone in the eye because uh the person that they stabbed was jewish and i'm like that's

just that's a disgusting thing to do then i saw the video of this incident have you seen it yeah no yeah so someone yeah so there's a student or maybe i don't even know if the person was a student, but someone is walking by with a very tiny, tiny, tiny little flag and is kind of waving the flag back and forth, bumps into someone very lightly. To me, it seems clear that they did not even see the person that they bumped into, that this was a situation of like they were looking in the other direction and waving their flag very lightly. Like there was no way that this was any kind of stabbing.

It wasn't a targeted incident. I don't think that they even saw the person that they bumped into enough to you know know that person's religion or ethnicity they weren't looking at them i mean it was just well and then there was even a report that they were even saying that like they went to like a they were told to like yeah maybe go get that checked out and you're like if you were stat if you were stabbed in the eye i think like like someone with ems would be like oh my god you're stabbed in the eye. Like we got to treat this first. Like, hey, if it's bugging you, you should maybe go to the doctor to get it checked out since you were stabbed in the eye. But going back to it, like, I mean, we always have these moments where you have to remind yourself how entrenched our mainstream media is with just the like the the principles of the united states that

they're all they all work together hand in hand to maintain the status quo of being a white supremacist capitalist patriarchy and so when you go up against one of those you know we have many pillars but those three pillars they're all bets are off on how you can be treated january 6th that's okay because you're there because you're you're there in service of a candidate who wants to uphold the status quo exactly racism and the brutal economic violence of the nation so y'all are good people who are peacefully protesting police violence and over policing well see now now you're fucking now you're fucking with one of our temples yeah and you will feel the whole fucking might of the state come down on you.

And now, unfortunately, these student protests, nonviolent, but we're talking about the fucking, we're talking about American hegemony and our foreign policy. Yeah, guess what? The state is going to fucking do what it can to crush you. to crush you and yeah and and i'm sure we'll probably pretty soon in the next few days we'll start seeing the media do some kind of run some kind of shit to try and obscure or recontextualize what these non-violent student protests are to try and discredit them and be like and like it's not even like a fucking big deal these kids are tripping or like they're fucking brainwashed by whatever they've already accused the wall street journal let me see if i can find it the exact headline but the wall street journal like was already saying that you know the the protesters

are i think all right don't quote me on this but they were they were like funded funded by hamas or like had ties to hamas oh yeah Some anti-Israel protesters are paid. I just saw this one. Rockefeller and Soros grants are subsidizing those who disrupt college campuses, which is an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Like the, the like George Soros funds, everything,

you know, George Soros is, is behind the scenes pulling the string. That is like one of the core anti-Semitic Nazi conspiracy theories in the United States. Yeah. It's like, which one is it?

So George Soros is now anti-Israel? It's like, I don't know, man. You tell me, man. I don't know. We're just trying to get as many people on our side as possible. I'm just saying stuff in my opinion piece on the Wall Street Journal. Okay, so here's the headline, the actual headline. It's from the Wall Street Journal.

Who's behind the anti-Israel protest? Which is a hell of a framing to begin with. But who's behind the anti-Israel protest? Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and others are grooming, note the word grooming, activists in the u.s and across the west and you know it's just like uh i think that there's this look i have protested and i think most people have protested you know there's there's various reasons but i think the core reason for a lot of people is like, you know, we see pictures of all these, you know, dead children. And we're like, this is very sad and it's very wrong.

And it's like we have the social media is part of it. But there's there's an emotional response to seeing civilians, especially children children horribly injured or killed and i think that that's a very human response and it's like outrage yeah yeah these these headlines it's like and and i think even the stuff that like nancy pelosi says about how you know this is backed by vladimir putin or the chinese government or whatever it's like they can't even acknowledge the possibility that some number of people, probably the majority of people are like, wow, killing kids. That's very sad. You know?

Yeah. Yeah. They're like, oh, I was I've been incentivized to look the other way this whole. Yeah. Yeah. They're just like they're like parents who are like don't you remember when you were young like you you used to believe everything we say yeah right exactly you used to eat gummy candies of our war planes yeah now now you you're so mad at me now you call it we could

you call them instruments of state violence yeah who even told you those words yeah this is not my child anymore who i was able to fucking you know right deceive all the time yeah it's and i think that's what's like really interesting when i look at this all is we talk about how increasingly more engaged and intelligent these younger generations are becoming and like i'm wondering if they're i mean they must be looking at this they're like dude we've got a fucking like these kids are getting smarter and more radical yeah and what the fuck are we gonna do about this and i guess like there's just one response is like just fucking calling the goon squad yeah as the solution rather than like a rational human being try and understand what is driving people to act and being like well can we

do that and again i think that's when it reveals you it reveals why both parties are still they're from the same well yeah it's like we cannot go against the military industrial conflict who the fuck is gonna say that unless you're like one of these on you know on the fringe meaning not necessarily mainstream politicians who's like we have to stop all this, like, fucking unchained military spending. That's never going to be the mainstream because that's, America runs on Dunkin', baby. That's just what we do. The core assumption, like, legitimizing, like, to the public,

U.S. foreign policy since 9-11 has been some version, some, you know, unsophisticated version of, like, you know, Islam equals terror, right? And it's like, you know, like, and because of this, like, anybody who is Muslim or Arab, you know, can be held collectively responsible for the actions of you know legitimate terrorist actions like osama bin laden's or whatever but we responded to like 9-11 horrible but like people there's no problem just you know holding the people of iraq responsible for that or afghanistan because it's just like, yeah, you know, you can just, um, you know, if, if they were Muslim, they should, you know, get bombed or whatever. And it's like younger kids, Gen Z definitely doesn't believe that most millennials doesn't

believe that, you know, like people, we live in a diverse society where you know people are like they they may have friends that are muslims or yeah you know they may be um you know like they're you know listening to work from people from you know all over the world and stuff and and like this kind of like core racism and islamophobia like it just doesn't work and like none of this stuff that the u.s government is doing makes sense unless you buy into that assumption which the kids do not buy into yeah yeah the racist old grandpa or racist parent yeah they're gonna like yeah and yeah it's just there's a disconnect and they can't get their fucking mind around it. Yeah, they're calling the kids like the student protesters.

I've seen a bunch of people call them like jihadis. Yeah. Or say that they're trying to protest to institute Sharia law. And this is really just grandpa racism. Yeah, I know that because I had a white grandpa who was very into Fox News. And I know right i know when something is that perspective right and it's like purposefully bad a bad faith analysis to be like well because i can't say what they're literally saying which is like we want to stop the genocide

we need an immediate ceasefire innocent people are dying we want our school to divest from businesses that are actively profiting off of this. That's what it is. No one has a fucking sign that says, man, Sharia law now. No. We have to go to these sort of thought killing cliches for people to be like, oh, they want Sharia law. Okay, well, then I don't know what these people are off their shit. Yeah.

Even the stuff that's considered like, you know, very radical, like the viewpoint that is considered like you know so radical that it can't even be discussed is that you know between the jordan river and the mediterranean sea it should be one person one vote that everybody should have equal rights no yeah everybody should have equal protection under the law. And, you know, you almost never see that argument represented, you know, just as it is like what the argument is actually for, because I think a lot of Americans agree with that argument. whether it's okay to deny people voting rights based on their race or ethnicity. And so it's just like there has to be these sort of bad faith, like these kids support terror or whatever, because if they say what those kids actually believe, too many people are going to be like, oh, I don't know, that actually sort of makes sense to me.

But no, they're anti, you know, child murder, like child murder and being buried under rubble. It's like, well, I disagree. It's like, so then you're pro that.

Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. You want to meet me where I'm at? Because if it is,

then you have to really define where you're coming from. Because if it's, if it's that well articulated, like it is in 95 percent of the cases. Yeah. Then, yeah, you only the only thing you do is out yourself as being like, well, then I'm I'm pro death of innocence. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

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Got some really funny pictures of Biden doing drugs off of America's gravestone yeah i did that one that was cool i did that in uh in dolly it looked kind of grainy but it was all right or you know you can you can get tupac entered the kendrick and drake beef you know because of ai or there's there's everything you can do it all you can do it all but yeah the big thing that i saw in this wired story is it seems like the latest trend on social media is ads for erotic ai girlfriends and companions according to wired there's like you know you can search like all the ads that have ran on facebook like in certain instances and they found that at least 29,000 ads had been published on meta platforms for explicit AI quote girlfriends, with most using

suggestive sex related messaging. There were also at least 19,000 ads using the term NSFW and 14,000 were offering NSFWAI. And some 2700 ads were active when wired reached out to meta they're like hey what's up with all the fucking ai fuckbot ads that you got on there and a spokesperson said oh yeah we prohibit that kind of content and we're gonna get right on it and then like fucking two days ago at wired look and it's now there's 3000,000 ads for AI girlfriends and 1,100 containing NSFW that were still live on the platform. So these chatbots promise users all kinds of erotic interactions, like from raunchy chat to AI generated porn images or like undressing your AI girlfriend. And then like you can finally unlock the nudie pictures or whatever. Uh,

you can even do images of humans or animals, you know, however you want to get down. And they even have shit where you can be chatting, you know, with again, this porn trope that is just at the root cause of everything that's wrong with America.

And it's like, you can fucking chat with your hot stepmom and like get fucking down with your ai stepmom ew sorry sorry stepmom stepmom not related part they're not related it's not like some oedipus shit all right oh man stepmom i uh i was talking about like how i thought the like uh the step family porn genre was like really gross one day i was talking about how I thought the step family porn genre was really gross. One day I was talking to a friend about it. I was like, yeah, it's really nasty. And she's like, I actually think it's hot.

And so I'm like, I guess some people are very into this stuff. A lot of people must be into this stuff because it's all over. That's like some brady bunch shit i remember like in the brady bunch i think it was like the the first or second movie when greg and jan had to shit like split the attic basement but like through a sheet and like they were all getting like hot for each other i'm like see this is what the fuck is going on greg and marcia right oh marcia yeah yeah yeah sorry yeah sorry man i'm yeah that was man. That was a big, that was a big trouble for a while. It's like sexual tension between step siblings. That was a big one.

Yeah. And I'm sure too, like with the rate of divorce in America, there are probably a lot of blended families. And then they're just like, yeah, man, this is kind of where your head goes.

There's a lot of families where people are getting stuck inside washing machines and need help getting out. Yeah. And they're only wearing an apron with nothing else on. It just is what is and high heels i you know i'm just i you know i'm not trying to be mean here but i will say it does sound like you're talking about ai chatbot girlfriends like they're not real girlfriends and i just want to say like if your feminism doesn't include robots then where are we even? Is that the fourth wave that we're about to catch is just bringing in the AI sex workers, too, and being like, no, this is this also because this is the thing.

A lot of actual human sex workers have quickly pointed out this fucking weird double standard. Gemma Rose, who's the director of the pole dance stripper movement, which is like a UK based sex worker rights organization, said, quote, as a sex worker, if I put anything like I will do anything for you, I will make you come in a minute. I would be deleted in an instant because a lot of these ads are like you will fucking blast your whole nut off in one minute of talking with this AI fuck bot. And Miles does work as a copywriter oh yeah yeah your whole nut will blow off into the sky nut off yeah oh my god that's so gross but like but what's wild is like these guidelines right haven't just affected like sex workers like people know

if you create content around things like sex positivity or sex education like suddenly instagram like yeah flagging that shit it's like i'm telling people about the fucking human body but you can run ads where it's like hey man you want to fuck your stepmom like this way see her fully nude with this chat bot and it's not clear what like meta's next move is here i mean they may just do like a massive purge of those kinds of accounts like they did with like sex worker accounts too but apparently a lot of the reason these platforms have cracked down on sex work too even recently is because of a sex trafficking bill that became law in 2018 which basically made platforms responsible for like what is posted yeah but then that also unfortunately led to

like the restriction of consensual sex work or like consensual sex work being categorized as trafficking like overall in the online world yeah and sex workers told us at that time like hey this is what they're trying to do here you know but like this is obviously like to crack down on consensual sex work and if anything it it's going to endanger trafficking victims even more, you know, and that has come to like the u.s mainstream media like they just aren't counted as human beings in a lot of cases yeah which is weird because it's like everybody is no i don't say everybody like you know but there's i would say that most men in the united states are engaging with pornography on some level or another. Like, I certainly haven't met very many men who aren't watching, like, porn sometimes, at least, and also

a lot of women and also a lot of non-binary people. But, you know, it's like this product that, you know, so many people are consuming, but the workers, it's fine to just, you know, treat them as horribly as possible. Right, exactly yeah it's like it's like well you know that's in line with the patriarchal aspects of this country and also like the puritanical ones it's like well i mean like if if women are suffering or then maybe that's okay yeah but yeah for something that we call the oldest profession uh we should i feel like give a little bit more respect to it yeah this profession has been around for a long time there's a lot of momentum to sex work yeah we talked about how like this platform that is a competitor to only fans

called fan view that specializes in like AI models is like doing incredibly well. So like this is this is happening for sure. It's going to it's going to come. And I feel like people aren't going to stop it because it's just taking away sex workers ability to make a living and nobody's making, you know, in the history of America, laws and legislation protecting sex work has been shockingly absent. Yeah.

Well, not a strong suit, but how quickly to it's like, oh yeah, we can usher like this. This can take people's jobs. We'll just let this, this,

a, this tech version of like weird algorithmic sex work be like the norm or whatever yeah and yeah well we will welcome your ad dollars but not an actual person no no so it is the stepmom thing that like they're using back on the stepmom thing pictures of like people's step like is that what that means or is it can you like load your own stepmom i'm like but i'm serious that is like such a fucking violation of pride like if you're taking pictures from facebook and i don't no no i think i think it's role play uh yeah i mean well because already i mean this is where we're this is where it's so sticky we've talked already in

like that that ai beauty pageant thing, how people have just had their likeness just fully ripped from the internet. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, that's the future where we're headed. Like that's, I mean, it's already happening to celebrities, but like, I'm sure like the fact that this is happening on Facebook, like I'm sure there's a future where that's what people like, that is what is being a future where that's what people like.

That is what is being offered or at least not openly offered. But the service that's being provided, which is so fucked up. Yeah, I'm sure we're only I mean, like without legislation. I mean, we're going to be there pretty quick. Like, yeah, it's probably going to be like, give us four pictures of a person like how it is now when people are like, hey, man, want to cool disney like pixar version of yourself it's like give us five pictures yeah that's just all the data we need and we can probably faithfully recreate your likeness yeah and what's going to stop that from like this kind of like fucked up violating yeah there's just gonna be there's gonna be so much revenge porn but it won't even be like real actual videos.

Yeah. The person and I'll just be like, you know, a guy doesn't like a woman that, you know, turned him down or whatever. So he's going to generate some porn of her blasted all over the Internet. Yeah. Horrifying. Well, cool. Well, I'm sure the U.S. government has our back on that one. They'll probably figure it out.

But at least they banned TikTok yeah that makes me sleep better at night Kate it's been such a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist where can people find you follow you all that good stuff

okay cool so yeah I did go off about political stuff a lot on this podcast but I also made a comedy special, which isn't, it doesn't have that much to do with politics. I have a new special out on Amazon and Apple TV called Blue Poles. And it is about, you know, it's about kind of like the expectations on the modern lady, some of the which we're talking about now, but like, you know, sex, domesticity, trad wives, reproductive rights. And, you know, I think it's a really funny special. I'm excited to put it out and you can get it on Amazon, Apple TV, or it's on YouTube as well. And I am on Instagram at Kate.Willett, which is a really good place to see my tour dates. I'm probably coming to your city very soon. And I'm releasing a new podcast at the beginning of May.

So if you want to check that out, it's going to be called Ruining Dinner. And it's going to be released in a couple weeks here. What's Ruining Dinner about? Oh, so I'm'm gonna have people on to talk about their most awkward conversation topic like the thing that they're not supposed to say like you know yeah comedians but also journalists and like whatever is the topic that people ruin dinner with we're gonna talk about that nice british coal gas study for me oh british coal gas study yeah yeah love talking about suicide at dinner parties you know what's interesting actually when they stopped using coal gas oh my

god hey speaking of coal nobody said anything about coal uh oh wait were you just using the oven okay so yeah decades ago kate is there a work of media that you've been enjoying besides your own special, of course? Well, I think the tweet that I sent originally was a tweet from More Perfect Union, and it was about how Hawaii is going to

ban or severely restrict Airbnb, and I'm excited about that. I think that that's a positive to finally see some pushback on like these tech companies that are, you know, taking all these people's housing. Yeah. Amazing.

Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, and the like at miles of gray. If you want to hear, well,

I wasn't quite crying yet about the Lakers on the latest episode of Miles and Jack got mad boosties. I mean, I was, I was preparing for, for terrible pain. You're getting a tear ducts warm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Next episode, I will fully be just drowning in my own tears. But anyway, if you want to hear us talk basketball, Miles and Jack got mad boosties. If you want a sweet, just a break from the shit and you want to hear me talk about shit reality television, then check me and Sophia Alexander out on 420 Day Fiance, where we talk about 90 Day Fiance.

Some tweets I like. At Awa Rhiannon, past guest, Rhiannon Hamam, just tweeted, I was in jail with some baddies. Free them all. Free Palestine. Yeah, I mean, she was right there in the University of Texas. So, yes, I hope everything turned out okay for you. And then another Alec Karakatsanis tweet, I think just, you know, in times like this,

he's always just getting to the point. At Equality, Alec said, one of the primary functions of police to violently crush progressive social movements. It's one of the reasons expanding the size and power of police is always authoritarian and is never an answer to inequality. It is a key part of preserving inequality in all its forms.

There it is. Amazing. That's a great, really well expressed. I can't beat that, but you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes,

where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? This is a song called Cherry Pop by Jameson, J-M-S-N. You know, it's known as like a producer, but also kind of like does their own music, worked with like Kendrick, The Game, Kaytranada, Sango, Taku, all artists like that.

But this track is just kind of like a, like a kind of haunted R&B pop song. But it's just got, it's just pretty cool. So check this out. Cherry Pops by Jameson. Amazing. We will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts

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