The Daily Zeitgeist - American Moral Obligations, McDonald’s Ice Cream SCANDAL 8.30.21

Episode Date: August 30, 2021

In episode 979, Jack and Miles are joined by writer and Never Meet Your Heroes co-host Jabari Ali Davis to discuss America's selective empathy, the legal drama behind McDonald's ice cream machine, JR Smith's journey, and more!FOOTNOTES: The long road to resettling Afghans in the US A school district opted out of a free meals program, saying students could ‘become spoiled’ Supreme Court blocks Biden administration's eviction moratorium Analysis: Biden's Supreme Court losses prompt more 'shadow docket' scrutiny STEPHEN BREYER RETIRE HONORABLE BITCH Former McDonald's worker on why ice cream machines often seem to be broken Meet the 24-year-old who’s tracking every broken McDonald’s ice-cream machine in the US They Hacked McDonald’s Ice Cream Machines—and Started a Cold War Why the McFlurry Machine Company Just Got Hit With a Restraining Order The Fight for the “Right to Repair” Fix, or Toss? The ‘Right to Repair’ Movement Gains Ground President Joe Biden’s latest executive order is a huge win for right to repair 35-year-old JR Smith live tweeting his way through Freshman syllabus week is what this website was made for LISTEN: Chynna - 1.28.19 Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. I. I host the Daily Zeitgeist with my very white thighs and my co-host miles. That is supposed to be a live by POD, which they're a Christian band. Apparently. Oh yeah. Did not realize that. Oh,

you didn't. I did. Are you a fan bro? Huge. And I never realized it. I thought they were like, I thought those were love songs. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray!

Yes, it's Miles Gray. I've just not been on social media much, but we're just going to do this one because I check the news all the damn time. I look at what's trending to make reason and rhyme. Smoking hot takes, I've had a few. I sold the square space and a Tushiba day while sipping on dues. And ripping a bong, a bong, a bong is Daily Zeitgeist, my friend. Where miles

will cover the trains. It's Daily Zeitgeist. It's Daily Zeitgeist. Fuck the Fox News I guess anyway well I just made that up no no no I like how I just rolled into I'm like I don't know what to do oh you know what fuck it here's a two minute like holy shit how did he do

that was great anyway shout out to everybody who came out wednesday night that was a total blast uh i'm still recovering let's just say those cold brew had me like awake all night yeah yeah but if you're a crofton fan and you missed it i don't know what to tell you if you want to see Miles wearing the finest fashions of the year 2000 NBA draft. You want to see me dressed as like a member of LFO. Is that the name of the band? Or you're like the guy who auditioned for LFO.

Like you're on the fringes of getting in. With a soul patch. Yeah, go. You can still watch the VOD at momenthouse.com slash the Daily Zeitgeist, but shout out to everybody who was there in person. Yeah, go. You can still watch the VOD at momenthouse.com slash the Daily Zeitgeist. But shout out to everybody who was there. Yeah. Thank you for joining us on this journey. And his new podcast, Never Meet Your Heroes, in which he tells you all the most shocking details and twists and turns from celebrity backstories like Mark Wahlberg, Shia LaBeouf. We'll have to ask him if he included Miles Gray's rap group with Shia in that backstory. Also, Michael Jordan.

He's one of the best followers on Twitter. Please welcome back to the show, Jabari Ali Davis! Hey, guys. I appreciate you having me again. I'm not going to lie to you. I welcome back to the show, Jabari Ali Davis! Hey, guys. I appreciate you having me again. I'm not going to lie to you. I've already made the determination. I'm never going to outdo you guys with the intro. So my AKA is a coworker last week told me, you're exactly like Suge Knight, except for nice.

And I guess what they really mean, because I've been told this many times before, is you're a big black guy with a shaved head. So that's cool. Wow. And you got a beard, too. And I do have a beard. So, Shug Nice. That's a good one. It was right there. It was right there, and you know what? I'm stealing that. Right. You know what you gotta do, though?

You're like, oh, I'm like Shug, and you hold their ass over the edge of a building. Give me your royalties right now. Yeah, exactly. Fuck around if you think that you're fucking stereotypical bullshit. Remind me another time. I'll tell you a story about signing up for that man's big hit song at karaoke there in the valley. And he walked out because he was upset. Oh, wow.

Wait, what? He was at the karaoke bar? So Ireland 32, it's a spot that's over there i think what is it like burbank or not burbank like van nuys or whatnot i i was there you know rob van was it rob van winkle vanilla ice was there he was in the back he's having a good time folks are showing love so i figured hey look we're here we're gonna go ahead and do this i signed up for it the song came on he gets up and walks out because like i guess he was offended by it like whatever wow because you did Iceman.

Yeah. It's like, bro, this is what we know you from. What the fuck did you expect? Have you ever made Love in an Inner Tube by Vanilla Ice off of To the Extreme? Wait, is that a song? That's not the title, but he talks about making

Love in an Inner Tube, which is like the sort of thing that a middle school student, which I was at the time, or I think elementary actually would like think was cool. Yeah. Anybody who's ever had sex would be like that. That sounds really like uncomfortable and difficult. You got to come from tubing culture, not just tubing, but inner tubing and embrace your inner tubing while you're inner tubing. As Vanilla Ice would. Yeah.

All right, Jabari, we're going to get to know you a little bit better. Oh, first, I do want to ask, hit us with a detail from the backstories of one of the celebrities you've covered on the show. Anything that surprised you? Honestly, during the Michael Jordan episode, and for anybody that does take a chance to listen to it, I'll admit the first couple episodes, we were still finding our footage, but I feel like we've done that. But during the Jordan episode, we had a really good conversation surrounding the coverage, surrounding when he retired, with his father's death, and all of that, even though, yeah, I lived through it and

I was, you know, I was old enough to be aware. It was interesting to me. It's kind of like, you know, like I'm sure you, if you haven't seen the Malice in the Palace documentary on Netflix. Not yet. I'm watching it this weekend. Strongly recommend it. You know, I remember all of the things I was there when those things were said, but sometimes when you hear it, you know, from a thousand miles out, it's like, oh, wow. Okay. So, but in you hear it, you know, from a thousand miles out, it's like, Oh wow. Okay. So, so yeah. But in terms of like,

you know, crazy stuff about celebrities, none of it's really going to shock you. You know, we've always kind of known that, you know, right. Right. There you go.

What they're about. Recently. Why did, why did I see this thing trending on like NBA Reddit again, when they were talking, when Charles Barkley was bringing up that anecdote about how like Michael Jordan has no empathy for like the unhoused when he's like don't give him that money if he can say can i get some change he can say welcome to mcdonald's can i take your order

and you're like oh my god michael i wouldn't expect anything fucking less but jesus you know i don't know if he really said it but like you like you just said it wouldn't shock me it would not shock me but now he's come around. That's why I'm like now, since the pandemic, he's been so philanthropic. I'm really curious to even hear from him if he sees himself as having an evolution. Because he knows he was a fierce guy. And we saw that he has some level of self-awareness. But I'm curious if he's like, yeah, I've learned to love more.

He had to have. Honestly, he had to have, because, you know, while obviously he was doing things throughout his career, we certainly didn't hear about it. And he definitely was never going to, you know, take a stance, you know, not a public stance, you know, especially that would be controversial over the last five years or so. I feel like he's definitely moved towards at least, at least showing that he's, you know, he's about the right things. Yeah. i wonder if the last dance you know because that was basically controlled by him or at least he

you know was the one who was like okay you we can make this now i wonder if just you know seeing it through new eyes or see you know having other people see him and like that that whole you know experience was was kind of gave gave him a new perspective right the detail i thought you were gonna say charles barkley talked about when he was like i hate that fat fuck but like he's never gonna put up he's never gonna outplay me in this final series again which that was wild like that was like a next level of pathology that like I, I had not, I knew he was a competitor like to a pathological degree. I didn't know it was like that. Right.

We did an episode where we touched on Chuck a little bit. Do you guys remember that arrest that he had, you know, stemming from about 10 years ago, you know, in Phoenix, just outside of Phoenix? Vaguely. Chuck D? No, no no no no not charles barkley oh we're all we're close enough to where he's chuck to me so it's either round mound or chuck it's really not charles yeah yeah yeah uh no i do remember that where he was like driving fast and said he had to go somewhere to get a blow job i think yep my man had like donuts in the seat next to him and said, hey, I was just going out to get a blowjob. But anyhow.

There you have it. That's Chuck for you. Just going out for one, casual. And you, of course, did cover Shia's early rap career and his partnership with Miles Gray, right? I mean, look, that was a long time. We have nothing to do with his bullshit now.

So don't try to get me caught up with Miles. I kind of need to know. Honestly, we're both Valley boys. You're a little bit younger than me. You would have come up around that time. What is the connection there with Shia? And no offense if I offended you on the episode, because I did. I let him know.

No, not like that. I mean, look, this high school, I was friends with a lot of kids who were on the Disney channel. Specifically, this guy, Mike Galeota, rest in peace. He used to be on the show called The Jersey. And we were we were really tight. We were super tight. And through Mike, I met all these other people who were on the Disney channel. And like we were all like weed smokers and they were like white kids who wanted to be black.

So life in the valley, start a rat group, start a rat group. And it was like us and a bunch of other kids, like younger siblings of people that were on the Disney channel. So I'm just other like local kids. And it was called the element crew. And I think that shit's on SoundCloud somewhere, but I will be going to look it up. I will absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll maybe I'll drop a link somewhere sometime. All right. Well, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today. We're going to talk about the selective empathy of America, how the Supreme Court is making that official with some of their recent decisions.

We'll talk about the legal drama behind McDonald's ice cream machines, why those are always out of order. We'll talk about J.R. Smith's journey. This has been very fun to follow on Twitter. And a new Fortnite feature, all of that, plenty more. But first, Jabari, we'd like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Well, you kind of already let the cat out of the bag. I was going to shamelessly note this. Political scandals, and it's for the show, like you mentioned, you know, never meet your heroes. You know, as you mentioned, we've done, you know, Michael Jordan, Shia LaBeouf, Mark Wahlberg, you know, a bunch of other people for season one. But right now I'm knee deep in, you know, basically Anthony Weiner type stuff.

Oh, wow. Anthony Weiner type stuff. So just like a lot of dick pics are actually, you know, honestly, no pun intended. A little bit, a little bit of that, a little bit and some lesser known stuff, you know, from, you know, from folks. Yeah. I remember that he I think he was like roommates with Jon Stewart or something. So I was like, yeah, we're fucking rules. Like that was that was where i got all my politics from at that stage that's why i fucked with al gore because yeah tommy lee jones roommate yeah and harvard oh yeah yeah well that and like it all because you know when i was like i was just obsessed with celebrity birthdays like who had the same birthday as me so when it was tommy lee jones i was like oh shit i like men in black this tracks this tracks and then i was like, oh, shit. I like Men in Black. This tracks. This tracks. And then I was like, they were they were roommates.

I'm like, all right, Al Gore. All right, homie. Yeah. Thanks for inventing the Internet. Good luck, bro. It's nice to see that we all do that as kids, by the way. Not to take it off, but, you know, you know, just going with it. Morgan Freeman and Marilyn Monroe were the ones that I was happy about.

June 1st. What's up? That's really good. That's a real, that spectrum. I like that. I may have even lied to people and said, like, yeah, Morgan Freeman, I'm related to him. As though there's some connection when you have the same birthday as someone. I mean, I tell people I am Prince Harry because we have the exact same birthday.

So there's not, what's the problem here? I can believe it. I might as well be the same person. What about you, Jack? Who you got? I don't. So I was like, huh, you, Jack? Who you got? I don't. So I was like, huh, I must not have been into that when I was young. But I think it turns out I just don't have anyone good to claim.

I've got, get ready. So Maya Rudolph is by far far and away the best. Maya Rudolph, okay. I've also got Bill Ingball. All right. So that's cool. Comedy. Powerhouse. Different spectrum. Triple H. Comedy. Triple H. Triple H. Hunter Hearst Helmsley. um all right so that's cool comedy powerhouse different spectrum different comedy triple h

hundred hearst helmsley okay that counts hey that's a good one that was before my time or i was before like you were fucking with dx yeah yeah this was 95 he came out and i wasn't into but the dude the dude uh jamie lannister from it's just like there's nobody that i would have been into when i was a kid you know right yeah damn yeah pretty yeah when i was a kid these are the ones that i remember peggy fleming jenkins u.s olympic figure skater oh yeah yeah and there's also like a another olympic skater christopher dean uh those were the ones that, and Jerry Van Dyke, who I wasn't, didn't really know much about. So, you know, you guys, that's your celebrity birthday privilege of having great celebrity birthdays. And it must be nice. You know, who else I got?

I got Tom Hardy. I got Marco Polo. I got Jenna Marbles from YouTube, if you remember that fucking shit. I don't think I do. Yo, there's... Oh, my God. No way. There's someone on Instagram called Young Blasian, and we have the same birthday.

What? Okay, Young... Okay, so you my child, Young Blasian. I feel like this is the last scene of Fight Club where we realize that you and Young Blasian are the same person. I'm a 22-year-old that you and Young Blasian are the same person. I'm a 22-year-old Instagram star. You've created a separate personality. Right. Oh, shit.

Ben Schwartz, too? Damn, man. God damn. You know what? It makes sense, though, too, because it's mating season. So, so many people. Like, you just. It's condensed right here in August, September and shit, too.

Yeah. My parents were gross having sex around fucking October. A bunch of freaky Halloween. Just nasty. Halloween baby. Halloween baby. Come on. Lisa Vanderpump.

I mean, come on, get off me. Get off me. This is Agatha Christie. Come on, back up, back up. What is something you think is overrated, Jabari? Overrated, we're going there first. All right, I actually took notes this time. Alternative cauliflower products, and I'm going to say it with my chest.

For the record, I'm not one of those that, you know, I don't shame people for what they enjoy. You know, I'm not going to yuck your yum if that's your thing. In fact, I'm generally here to give something a shot, especially if you tell me that it has some healthy property, a health benefit. I'm at that age and general health status where I'm like, oh, it's good for me and it tastes good. Okay, cool. I'll eat it. I'm not here for the cauliflower. I've never had a product that actively tasted good. Wow. Cauliflower products. Have you had cauliflower that you enjoy? Wait, what?

I won't lie. I don't love just regular cauliflower either. But I am at that age where it's like, you got to eat your vegetables. You got to do these things. You have to make these adjustments. Which are cruciferous veggies. Wait, so what alternatives are you talking about? Cauliflower rice, cauliflower crust, cauliflower anything. Alternatives you talking about like cauliflower rice, cauliflower crust, cauliflower, anything like, yeah, I, yeah, I had a, something that someone called Buffalo, like, you know, a Buffalo nugget. It was halfway decent because it was sauced like crazy and, you know, sugar, but like deep fried.

Yeah. I just can't get with. So, and, you know, and I say this as someone I'll admit, I got into trader joe's late in fact i got into trader joe's late specifically because i thought it was whole foods because most of the people that i saw going in and out of there pretty much look like you know whole foods folks uh just with dirtier sandals and then i and then i realized hey man i've been missing out man trader joe's is a haven for you know for people of my you know desires but just not with the cali and cheap too you know what i mean so you should have known those dirtier sandals meant you saw the class struggle

right there. Yeah. Growing up in the Valley you don't know, you just don't know dirty sandals and puka shells they might be getting into a range. You know? I stopped going and then I just recently started going. Mostly I stopped going because in the pandemic it was always a fucking

line out there. Everybody I stopped going because in the pandemic, it was always a fucking line out there. Everybody. Yeah. Standing outside the building. Yeah, that was. Yeah. Like in the rain and shit. I'm like, I just want popsicles.

Kind of. Yeah. I'll go into Ralph's. I'm sorry. Well, we back now. We back. No more lines. I just got a bag of onion garlic pistachios from.

Oh, my. I almost ate the whole fucking bag. And I just like stop myself. Yeah. Anyway. It's a problem. Yeah. A flavored pistachio is one of the best snacks.

It's salted pistachio in general, but all pistachios. They have salt and pepper. They have like chili and lime. They have all kinds of fucking, that's, you know what? Do you. Do you, TJ. I see you. They have all kinds of fucking flat.

That's, you know what? Do you, who you TJ? I see you. I watched my kids discover the joys of like peeling pistachios and then like eating them and just had, had a whole new appreciation. It was like one of those things where it's like,

they were like, this is amazing. We're like vegan crawfish. Yeah. They're going to grow. They're going to grow up and see that they could have been having them shelled the whole time and call you a broke boy. Yeah, no, that broke boy. Yeah.

No, that's true. Okay. Would you buy that, though? Because I was faced with that decision when I was at the store. Like, do I buy just straight for the nut meat? Or am I about the process? Right. I kind of like the process.

Immediately, I was like, no, man. The whole point is to fucking rip them open and shit and throw them in a bowl. Yeah. Anyway. A naked gun joke where they got the pistachio shells outside of the stakeout. Just piling up. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? All right.

So I plan to go with something like really mature sounding this time and, you know, like actively being kind to others, you know, especially given the times and circumstances. But, you know, and offering compassion and kindness to folks in need. Those are things that we should be doing. But honestly, I decided that your listeners and listeners to a show like this, they already know those things. And honestly, I don't need to beat them over the head with the reality. So I'm going to take a quick moment to do a bootleg Anna Jose streaming corner. Please forgive me for this one.

And I'm going to defend a show and even mention another one. Ozark. Here we go i promise you underrated i don't want beef with francesca fiorentini uh and please i hope i said that right uh wonderful yes i don't want any beast but i'm going to tell you right now yes it's the midwest version of breaking bad and i'm not you know there's no way around it you know sure it's a bit repetitive in the same ways it shows you know that nature tend to be with you know kind of with forced drama and continued family trauma you know at least from that perspective, it's a bit repetitive in the same ways it shows that nature tend to be, kind of with forced drama and continued

family trauma, at least from that perspective, but it's unique enough in the way they break things down, especially in seasons one and two. I just feel obligated to defend those of us that are still actively watching just about anything and everything. Honestly, Miles, you

were saying this all throughout the pandemic, and I recognize there are some people that are no longer living in one, even though we are still in one. For me, I'm watching everything. So honestly, Ozark is not the end of it. You're in the airplane. Everything's the airplane. Everything. It's worth watching and watch it to completion. For example, I'm currently watching Woo Assassins on Netflix. It's absolutely not my usual genre of shows. It's action adventure with pretty

inexplicably bad graphics at times, but here we are. Chances are, if you can string together two consecutive decent episodes, I'm going to give it a shot. Okay. Wait, because my thing with Ozark, I couldn't get probably the third episode in. It just wasn't doing it for me, so I stopped three episodes in. This is the same thing that people said with Mad Men. Like, you got to get through like the first five, the first. And I'm like, I don't want to get through. But and this might be another thing, too, where I'm willing to just for me personally, I don't know.

Maybe it's not the same show, but I'm not trying to say unequivocally. It's just trash. It's not the same show. But but again, I do. I do recognize that criticism i would say this anything that anyone tells me generally you know like oh you just have to get through it i'm i'm usually one of those people it's like well then it probably sucks but you know for this one they do a decent enough job and again you'll see those wanted to they do a decent enough job

in making the character somewhat redeemable to where you actually buy into him, to where there is that buy-in. I know there's folks that simply, they're never going to like, oh my goodness, the main character. Jason Bateman. There's certain people that are just never going to like him, and I recognize that. So if he's not your game... Oh, I like him.

That's the reason I even gave it a shot, because I love the rest of development, and I'm just like, yeah, I'm willing to go on this journey with Jason as he figures out his acting I would say you know what I am a little bit biased you know uh Kevin L Johnson an actor he's been a bunch of stuff you know I've interviewed him a couple times on different shows that I've done you know he's he plays a character on the show you know so I'm always going to you know kind of want positive things for it but yeah admittedly, I genuinely enjoy it. All right.

Well, that is the sort of thing we need to hear in our underrated. Let people feel okay about something that other people have been. Because I feel like I have not heard a positive take on Ozark in a long time. So that's great to hear. I might just give it a chance. It's also because season three, they just kind of went off the deep end. And I'll openly admit their characterization

of what bipolar disorder looks like is really offensive to those of us that suffer from bipolar disorder. So if people have that complaint, I 100% get it because that's legitimate. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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I'm just warning people, you know, watch out for uh tomorrow tuesday we'll see what happens don't sleep on the influence of of suge nice don't exactly grow the gravitational pull of jupiter there you go there you go but miles you were kind of uh you put together some thoughts on just sort of this idea of america's practice of selective empathy. Yeah. It's just like, you know, like, just like last time with the media, not talking about Afghanistan in one way. Like now I look at, you know, with the conversation, talking about resettling Afghan refugees,

I was just, you know, seeing how the momentum was moving very swiftly, you know, because there's about 88,000 Afghans that assisted, you know, occupying American and allied forces during the forever war. And now the U.S. is like, obviously scrambling to relocate these people to fulfill a moral obligation since, you know, like leaving them and their family members behind in a place as the Taliban is like trying to have retaliatory attacks against these people just is what should be done on a minimum level, if not more people. And then you look at the polling, right? Americans are pretty much on the same page, like 90% of Democrats, 76% of Republicans are saying like, yeah, we like we're I'm open to I I'm not opposed to resettling these people in America and understand like that the narrative is they helped the the army.

So they should just like that's their ticket to the United States. And another story I read about these South Florida Republicans who were very enthusiastic about welcoming these people. And I'm not I don't have any opposition to the fact that they're open that they feel you know aligned with this sentiment but it just says like a lot right because like at a minimum it acknowledges that these people put themselves and their loved ones in harm's way to help the united states military and they understand like the reciprocal nature of this transaction like that's okay we get it y'all could have got fucked up helping the u.s are are you know brave men and women out there so this this you know equates to a ticket back but unlike this other way it just sort of underlines this fucked up way in which americans choose to have empathy for displaced people like if you are working in service of the american war

machine then it's a no-brainer that you know like oh man like you because then it's like you were one of the good ones you know what i mean like we came fucked up your country you still helped out you know what that's worth a ticket back here we thank you thank you thank you and then you know and then on even though like normally the narrative around afghan refugees like on fox has basically been terribly isophobic and xenophobic and, you know, ethno nationalist. Yeah. But 76 percent of Republicans feel that it is our duty as Americans to take these people in. And I'm just like, what the fuck? What does this say about every other situation that we're involved in that intersects with the United States foreign policy and displacement of people and even domestic policy and displacement of people that where it is. It's just it's it's amazing to see how people can just selectively be like, yep, those people deserve empathy.

Those people at the border, not so much. I mean, granted that you can draw straight lines from American foreign policy and intervention in Latin America to why we have this immigration problem. And on the same level, if it's like, well, these people are displaced because you get cheap fruit for the for fucking dole or whatever, that there's no there's no empathy. There's no understanding of what the root causes are. And it's just kind of, you know, I'm just sitting there thinking, right, here's another example of all that. Right. It's where I wonder if it's because the cheap fruit is like, you know, it's implicating the consumer. You know, it is it it kind of gets it. But this undercurrent where it's like, yeah, all of this is being done to just feed the kind of massive consuming machine that America has has instead of a soul and we don't want

to acknowledge that right and if you go just slightly broader right the fruit is like one dimension because the whole point of fighting all these like all the intervention in latin america was the way the u.s was fighting the cold war right kind of whole thing was like do not do not let communism root on the continent and we'll do whatever the fuck we have to do by hook or by crook to figure out how to stop that momentum so on some level you could argue that this was happening to protect america's freedom right like that that rhetoric is sort of that like our logic was being applied yet again we look at displaced people from there and go oh that's that's your problem that's right well i mean really the, it has always felt like the cutoff.

And it's very clear at this stage, especially over these last couple of years, the cutoff is like, do we feel like these people have value to us? Do we? And I'm not saying the three of us. I'm not saying like, you know, those of us that actually have natural empathy. But I'm saying, you know, the general public, oftentimes it seems like if they if we don't, there, there's value monetary, actual value to you, then it doesn't matter. And, and, and that's, and that's more telling about, you know, about society because, you know, and it's actually, it's not just how we look at, you know, at, you know, you know, people in foreign land, just how we look at people in America. If you are poor, you aren't, you, you ain't shit. You know, like if you, if you're not out there working, if you're not out there contributing to the, you know, to this system, then you, you know if you're not out there working, if you're not out there contributing to this system, then you're not worth our time.

So it's like and I get though, too, you know, a big difference is with Afghanistan and, you know, everything that happened in 9-11. There was just, you know, nonstop. It was a primetime TV conflict for a certain point. It was a primetime TV conflict for a certain point. And so people and there was countless TV shows, you know, and and films that were like talking about like what's happening over in the Middle East and things like that post 9-11. That that was a thing that people had just like this sort of concept of. But there isn't much talking about American intervention in other places and things like that. And this. But but then I'm like, OK like okay well maybe it's a historical thing right like because people know what what's going on in afghanistan and like they're like okay well that i understand why we need to extend empathy there even though

truly it's not even it's only being extended to 88 000 people among millions in the region right but it's the same thing with like black americans we fucking built this country right and the land was stolen from indigenous people yet these groups are still like i don't know what the fuck y'all problem is right what is what is going on and and so it's just it's just really it's like sickening to watch how certain issues that deal with things that are happening within the country and are so clear of like why we need to correct things you know but there's just's just not the energy for that yet for these things. There's like a lot of, there's just a lot of media momentum and Americans can selectively say like, right, I, I totally understand why we need to, our obligation to resettle these, these refugees. Yet we still are unable to look at all these myriad of ways that we're connected to other struggles and problems within the country and outside and still not be compelled.

Because it's easy to turn a blind eye and, you know, the next thing will come up and we'll all obsess about that. I actually have to honestly, you all know, like I appreciate shows like this. like this, I appreciate ethnically ambiguous and, you know, like those wonderful ladies, Anna and both Anna and Shireen, you know, for pointing stuff like this out, whether it's on, you know, whether it's on the shows, whether it's on, you know, you know, whether it's on the timeline and actually, you know, through conversations with Anna in particular, you know, she was the one who pointed out like, you know, we, we as a country, we, we definitely pick and choose. We definitely pick and choose what's going to matter, who's going to matter, you know, how much it's, you know, it's going to matter.

And we really can't do that. No, it's it's it's it. Well, I say we really can't do that. Yes, we can. But we obviously really shouldn't because look at where we're at. Right. Yeah, it's yeah. Like you say, we're selective about where we choose to understand what's at stake or what the consequences were for other people based on certain policies. And then the second we try is meant to intended to sort of

preserve this american sense of moral purity and with afghanistan i think it gives people a really easy thing to be like yep there was a war there these people are basically they fought on this team so they get to come on back on the bus back to the locker room after the game kind of mentality. But the second it begins to really sort of intersect with something a little more like closer to home or something that you may actually have to think about deeper than just merely this like very clean sort of logic path, then it becomes chaotic and things like that. And it's it. It's just it's fucked up because there's countless ways that people are being left behind whether it's in the middle east in south asia wherever but we you know we we chug along on this path and like we only see things get worse i'm just kind of thinking like what does it take you know because if it's not about connecting people to the history to understand sort of like the u.s is placed in that like what

will do it yeah there's americans seem particularly bad at feeling empathy towards poor people in our own country because i think that you know we i talk on here a lot about like just the work, the like psychological work that needs to be done to for like kind of the passive white supremacists in the country to just like go about their daily lives and like kind of push down whatever that that reality is, whatever realities are hitting them, like whether it's somebody living on the street or, you know, the videos of police shooting innocent people of color, like there's just so much work that's having to admit that that whole thing is on shaky foundation. Whereas I feel like the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war, the media and the American people were able to kind of think of it as a thing that was separate from them. And so that's enabling them. And then, you know, the specifics of the really shocking and horrifying footage from the airport, especially in those early days, I think, like probably just crystallized things in the kind of American consciousness. Which is wild, though, too, because there's so many people that are destitute here. Yeah. Because there's so many people that are destitute here. Yeah.

And, yeah, like it's just this, it's like we just want to put our eyes on the thing that feels like it can be solved in that one thing. Oh, the Afghanistan thing can be solved if we get enough people on planes. And then it's over and I'll have to think about it and it's done. I look at, you know, you look at things that happen on the streets of any city, Philadelphia, Baltimore, New York, LA, wherever there's, there's real problems and it's much easier, I guess to go down that path, to think of how we can solve that is just too much of a task for some people to engage in mentally when most of it really is just about being like, no one's asking you to solve it, but like, fuck man,

have the same feeling for that. If you, if your heart's broken, seeing people who are clinging to, you know, trying to escape their country to get here and you can somewhat understand like, oh yeah, I get that. Just, just open your heart a little bit. You know what I mean? To be able to, to have that sort of same level of, of compassion for more people. But I don't know, that's just, that's that's me being like what's what's wrong with us but it it also feels like all of this is you know very very specifically by design like for instance

there's a reason why we didn't ever see the footage of you know like what was going on in afghanistan there's a reason why we didn't see the body counts there's a reason why they didn't even keep track in a lot of you know in a lot of situations there's really like and the same thing goes where you know you know domestically individuals are no longer seen as individuals. If we just call them gangs or we say that it's gang violence, instead of saying like, these are people, these are Americans that are, you know, they're suffering that are in terrible situations that are, you know, innocent, you know, you'll be, you'll be on beliefs at, at, at, in a lot of, in a lot of situations, it's easy to just ignore. It's easy to, you know, like, you know, to look past people, but it's the same, it's easy to just ignore. It's easy to look past people.

It's the same thing. You pull up, let's say you're getting off the freeway, you're getting off the 405, there's a dude sitting there right there waiting for money. It's real easy for folks to roll that window up, turn the music up, and look forward. That's what we've always done. Yeah.

And I know on some level like you know it's it's a feeling of shame or powerlessness like someone you know depending on how you you process it at times like for me it's like a feeling of shame like fuck man like i can't like this i feel so helpless that there's this person who's my age who is we're probably coming from very similar circumstances. And this is how things shake up because this is how things are, you know, sort of designed in the country. Yeah, it's just and I think it can be overwhelming for a lot of people on some level, too. like one of the many superpowers that americans and and american media have created to sort of keep the status quo going in this direction which is one that doesn't really care for people that are marginalized or in need of help just focus on like focus on the people who who got it right

so uh just kind of in a related story kind of of more specifically the way the Supreme Court interacts with this. The Supreme Court last week made two, like what are being called shadow docket decisions. I guess this is when the president kind of forces an issue onto their desk. That's like, this needs immediate attention. When the Trump administration was doing that, they were siding with the Trump administration a lot more, they were siding with the Trump administration a lot more. It's basically a decision where they don't have to write out full decisions. They just make a decision on it. And in one of the cases here, it was a two-paragraph decision. So these were the first ones that Biden kind of pushed through to their

desk in the Biden administration. And in both cases, the Supreme Court ruled to basically side with the Trump administration. Biden was trying to reverse a Trump policy that was forcing people to stay in Mexico if they had asylum claims at the border. And it was just you know using pure technicalities the six conservatives on the supreme court basically made the decision that the the conservatives of the country will want to which is you know just have no empathy for them keep them in mexico not our problem again like there i think even though that's new that's like 90 that wasn't even the policy yeah no they've moved the yeah they've moved the the field goals like back for the the goalposts goalposts is the word that i was looking for i think there's a when we talk about the supreme court especially in the mainstream media i feel like there is this sense that they are like these theoreticians who are like operating in a void.

And like, it's just we're just sitting back to like wait to make a strong argument for whatever the fuck they want to believe. That's why highly intelligent people are more likely to be in cults. court could come up with a seemingly logically coherent case for anything they wanted to literally anything using like previous precedent because they're like the world's best at arguing for shit like that's what that's what they do so i like this is a political vehicle which is why the other shadow docket case that they ended the eviction moratorium that Biden was trying to extend, as we've talked about, that is a horrifying example of just America's ability to not feel empathy for the people around them. Right. Well, the Constitution, I don't know if the founding fathers were thinking about this. So, you know, we'll side with the landlords on this one. And now, you know, luckily, a lot of states have their own moratoriums in other ways that aren't your traditional ways of evicting. It might be like, oh, it's time to renew your lease. They're not going to renew it for this, that, and the other. And that's how

they're getting to be able to oust people and then rate hike the rates up and then bring in other people who are to make, I guess, making just enough more to justify their, you know, exorbitant rent increases and things. Yeah. So not to be like depressing, but like basically what I've gotten out of this conversation thus far is that, yeah, we just don't care as Americans. You know, we don't care. You know, we do not care about employees. We do not care about, you know, workers' rights.

We don't care about, you know, so if someone ends up being out on the street, we don't care about, you know, the unhoused. It's just kind of a cross the board. That's what it feels like. And it's true of many other countries. But in here, it's like it's done to this degree that is so aggressive and like in your face that it's really hard to wrap your head around. And I think the sooner people can understand like that, that's actually kind of like the tone of how this country works. It helps you to sort of redouble your efforts to realize,

okay, I need to actually be on the side of people. Like, I don't know why the fuck I'm caping for fucking Nancy Pelosi. Like these people are going to do shit for us. Yeah. Like, that's why you look more and you see like in your neighborhoods,

people put out, you know, like unperishable food items on the corner just to help support. Look, if you know it's free food right here. If you're hungry, like, come through, dig in here. There's there's there's shit to eat. That's really how you can sort of lift people up, because waiting, you know, for the Supreme Court or Joe Biden to do the right thing, it's just going to lead to more fucking chaos. And I think that's the thing, like when Tory was on talking about dual power and ideas like that,

is that Americans really need to begin to embrace that. That most Americans do have empathy. Most Americans, like your neighbors, you're like, damn, man, they're fucking cool. I didn't really talk to them, but something happened and we got together and we sorted something out. That was great. I have community. You see it and you saw it in Texas when the power ran out. A lot of Texans were having to lean on each other to get through it because fucking damn sure the utility companies weren't going to help and make things, you know, quick and expedient for their recovery. Like we know those pieces are there, but it's like, it's like embracing this idea too, that

there are ways that we can collectively take care of each other and protect each other in a way that is beneficial to everyone. And we're not waiting on the decisions of a bureaucracy that's being run by people that are grandparents age, who we look at our own damn grammar is like, Oh, I don't know. Shit. Yeah. But they're run, but these same, this this their classmates are running the country basically right and we're like wondering like i wonder why nothing's working because we have it's and and because that that mentality that like hey everything's okay nothing's

wrong that may have worked when there were greater tax revenues to help people but we're in a different era now and that kind of thinking is just so regressive and it's violent so it's like it's like getting people really motivated enough to see like yeah you can you can see this place for what it is not get totally blackpilled but then pivot to what's the solution the solution is finding like having policies that are more humane like and on some level the the first thing should be like it's a pandemic well no one should go hungry and no one should be kicked out on the street because it's a pandemic. But here we're arguing courts like, well, the CDC doesn't have the legal authority. Well, what the fuck are we talking about? We're talking about people on the street.

But we're not having a conversation like in those terms. And that's the kind that's where we need to recenter a lot of things. But that's the process of I think of waiting for these kind of generational shifts in our political culture. the background for generations to come that hurt Americans and, you know, keep it out of step with the will of the people, assuming nothing changes and they don't fucking kill the filibuster and pack the court like they absolutely should. But one very frustrating development is that Stephen Breyer, one of the older members of the court, one of the three left-leaning justices, is choosing to be loyal to that understanding of the court as an impartial living embodiment of the scales of justice statue and is not retiring because he claims that all the justices, he said,

act in good faith in his career. You're old. You're old. You're old you're old you're fucking old and you're not seeing i don't mean to be ageist or anything like that but like you're not looking at the country at the same lens that the millions of people who are going to be living on this planet and this country are looking at it too and it's like this they're like we're holding on to these romantic ideas of a time that were also really fucked up for most other people um and it's yeah anyway so i'm sorry i'll i don't mean to get upset at justice briar or the rl do like fucking hurry the fuck up get out of there so to prevent

further catastrophe he's like i don't want to die while having this job. So he definitely, like, I mean, I also read that, I don't know, maybe there's a chance that he'll figure it out. Or people just start screaming at him. Can I say the quiet part? Like, we don't need another situation like we have with RBG. Yeah, exactly. That's really what it is. Like, bro, if you're feeling it, get on out.

Yeah. Whether or not you're feeling it, get the fuck out or not you're feeling it get the fuck out like that's just yes well which is why yeah we need massive change here too because if all of these like decisions that impact millions of people and whether or not they have a home fall to a group of fucking blue plate dinner special motherfuckers who are like oh well let's see i'm clearly a plant for america's corporatocracy and you know like what that's not a way to adjudicate anything and we're we're only gonna go careening fucking even harder into a wall without like really asking ourselves these questions do we need lifetime appointments we need limitations on these terms we need lifetime appointments? We need limitations on these terms. We need or more justices, whatever it is. But it ain't working like the basically the year 2000 version of the January 6th insurrection.

But it actually worked where they stormed where they were recounting votes in Florida. And he was part of what's called the Brooks Brothers riot, which you should look up if you. So that's who we're at a place where we're like, well, that's the best we can do other than the three liberal justices. So it's a real disaster. And hopefully, you know, somebody comes up with a thing to do up on that level, up on high. But yeah, I think to your point, just finding ways to get involved locally is really kind of the only thing to do. All right, let's take another quick break and we'll come back and talk about McDonald's ice cream. How do you feel about biscuits?

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widespread that at last year uh as of last year there was an app called mick broken that displays which locations have working ice cream machines and so people were like trying to figure out what why this is happening mcdonald's even started like doing self-deprecating tweets they were like we have a joke about our soft serve machine but we're worried it won't work oh boy it won't work right thanks thanks so it won't work huh all right come on in so anyways just a look at the sort of corporate glut that is the American economy. These are $18,000 ice cream machines. They're made by a company called Taylor.

And basically, they are designed to be impossible for McDonald's employees to fix if they if they have any problem yeah the menu options that you need to be able to just like figure out what the fuck is going on with the thing just even get to the menu just to get to the menu you need no fewer than 16 button presses not even the owner's manual provides the code that you need to get like through those 16 button presses it can't be accessed by mcdonald's workers only taylor employees so this is like this is taylor's way of like insulating themselves so that they always are needed by mcdonald's and yes it's like it's like low energy non-violent mobsters yeah where it's like, I hate for your ice cream machine to break. That's why you should call us up and get the protection package every week.

Press the cone icon on the screen of the Taylor C602 digital ice cream machine. Then tap the buttons that show a snowflake and a milkshake to set the digits on the screen to 5, then 2, then 3, then 1. After the precise series of no fewer than 16 button presses, the menu magically unlocks. Only with this cheat code can you access the machine's vital signs. So, yeah. Do you guys remember when McDonald's used to aggressively advertise to what I guess they considered was the urban black community,

where it would be like hip-hop songs and people dancing with nuggets and literally dancing and nuggets and like, you know, like, and literally dancing and break dancing and whatnot. There's only one way to solve this. And to be honest with you, it's something that I I'm kind of disappointed in all of us that have driven up to a McDonald's late at night, really just needing to, you know, really needing two of those Sundays. I'm disappointed that we haven't thought of it. The only way to fix this is if we start marketing to the Karen crowd, because the Karen crowd will take care of this shit. I'll tell you right now, if they roll up to that McDonald's two consecutive times and it's not working, Taylor, McDonald's, whoever, someone's got to get on top of this.

Oh, you say there's low doses of ivermectin in the mcflurry at mcdonald's and they're like i need them now they're like sorry miss it's not working and the next thing you know they're uploaded in a viral tiktok video them crying in their front seat with just like fucking captions going like i will be brave and get this mcflurry machine fixed yeah i like that that's that's good energy we could we could spread the rumor that people are not serving them on purpose because they're karens like oh yeah that is a meme and like that would really piss them off and like cause them to get to the bottom of this i feel like yeah well it's just the whole thing is just so funny too because like

it's all like even though it's one of the things that a lot of people desire most you you'd figure at some point mcdonald's be like hey we're fucking losing money when these machines aren't working and still they're caught in this relationship with taylor where it's like okay i guess every store has thousands of dollars in repair bills because only taylor can come and fix the fucking thing yeah so this is like part of it this is a larger like issue throughout american oh yeah businesses yeah they just passed like a or i think biden's trying to get through a thing that's a right to repair a thing that's just like you should be able to fix your own stuff that you buy and there shouldn't be like forced obsolescence and forced like technical problems that you can't fix so that you need to buy a new one or pay them

which i'm surprised because it's this like the lack of the right to repair that keeps the consumer machine humming and just people just tossing shit constantly right it's like oh man the volume button doesn't work on my tv out you go what the fuck i have a tv right now it just doesn't turn on and i'm like debating i'm like fuck man this shit costs money like yeah and even though i'm like damn cheap tvs are cheap part of me is like i just know someone can come in here open it up be like oh yeah there's your problem bink and then it's like a quick fix but i and i also find myself in that same pattern of like oh shit doesn't work time to trash it and get a new one yeah so basically taylor charges franchises

thousands of dollars a year for uh maintenance contracts to like cope with this two people like created their own like basically game genie for this fucking ice cream machine a gadget the size of a small paperback book called kitch k-y-t-c-h that hacks the machine and allows mcdonald's employees to access it hey then taylor hired a private detective to dig up it's like all this betrayal and like espionage and because like one of the people who is the head of equipment team for the national supply leadership council sued them there is now a taylor kitch lawsuit which has nothing to do with taylor kitch the actor but they actually won a victory for like right to repair shit which is kind of cool well because they they completely misrepresented themselves they were doing this

shit where they would go like that. They would be like, oh, I'm just a franchisee owner. But there's a difference between a McDonald's owned franchise and just like an independently owned McDonald's. Right. And what they were doing was like they were pretending like, oh, yeah, I want to get one for my for my, you know, for my restaurant. And then like trying to hack this shit and do all this other stuff. And numerous people misrepresented themselves to kitsch to try and get their hands on these devices and shit and it just shows you like what is the fucking like more than that why aren't they addressing

their issue with taylor like don't come for kitsch who's just trying to make the ice cream flow because it's funny i i know now i guess i want to go to my mcdonald's and be like yo y'all have one of those fucking kitsch things, huh? Because you always have fucking ice cream. Yeah. Like the other one that I used to go to North Hollywood. Fucking never. Right.

I remember the fucking the week McFlurry's came out. This shit was a wrap. Like, fuck it, bro. It's almost like they just like blacked out the menu. Like, don't even fucking ask about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. the menu like don't even fucking ask about that shit yeah yeah yeah yeah so uh last month biden signed an executive order called on the which called on the federal trade commission to institute rules to curb all anti-competitive restrictions that limit consumers ability to repair gadgets on their own terms but again you know that we got a supreme court and we're on the razor's edge in congress with regards to the motorola razor's Edge in Congress With regards to On the Motorola razor's edge Exactly With regards to just you know Having a party in power

That is fully in favor of You know the power of corporations Over people But I don't know I feel like this You know because like even Amy Coney Barrett Sided with you know was like no no The vaccine mandates like let those rock. There's part of me that feels like part of conservative culture would be like that there would be people just even in the base who are like, no, man, like I should be able to repair this shit because it doesn't feel like quite of a like a culture war battle.

Yeah. You know, more than like something very practical. So I am curious to see how it goes but i i won't be surprised if they're like we've sided with the computers all right and finally i do want to talk uh briefly just jr smith's journey from being you know a meme the meme of lebron being very frustrated with him when he didn't know what the score was at the end of the best game that LeBron has ever played and kind of lost that game for them to now being one of the internet's favorite human beings one of my favorite human beings but first

we need to give people extra because not every look we know this exactly we know not everybody folks with them yeah so yeah Jabari Jack would do one of you want to set the table for people so they can understand like a quick primer into J.R. Smith to understand where we're going with this whole story? Because I want to make sure everyone under, because I think this is beautiful, but I have to make sure all the listeners buy in first. I do just want to say J.R. Smith, like while I've mentioned the meme thing, like that's purely me talking about like his perception within the social media landscape. Like, anybody who makes it to the NBA and has a 16-year NBA career is, like, a one-in-a-million, like, gifted genius that, like, should be completely respected.

But, yeah, Jabari, why don't you, you had a tweet about just like kind of his journey. Yeah. I mean, it, Oh, you know what? I'll, I'll reference that exact tweet. Anybody that basically goes from playing ball in New Jersey to making it to the NBA at all, let alone being an actual really good player, winning two titles, winning a six man of the year, having a stint in China midway through his career when when it when honestly a lot of us thought like oh okay well that's going to be the rest of his career nope came on back won titles after the fact you know that that really is the american dream and like and now i'm sorry and now he's 35 years old going back to college to uh you know to compete in

collegiate golf and live tweeting about his experiences and study hall and stuff like that like i i can't think of a better yeah his he's some of his tweets yeah so he's a great golfer and is going to be on the golf team and is like apparently a very fun teammate on the golf team but he's he's just like a college student right now yeah and his tweets are fucking amazing yeah just like someone there's just i'm just gonna read a couple of them right from his his first weeks of going back to college as a third like a retired nba player who just won a championship too the previous season and now just trying to be a student just trying to be low-key even though you're fucking jr smith he says everyone everyone around the city keep asking me, who you got doing your work? Shit, me, LOL. I'm really trying to learn something, the fuck.

He's like, I'm really here. First tutoring session in the books. I really like Mrs. Burke. Extremely helpful. You're like, all right, J.R. Smith. I like this. Next, someone says, do you attend the Smith, I like this next. Someone says, do you attend the dining halls for meals or do you cook from home? And he quote tweeted, responded. He said, I'm going to start learning how to cook. I'm way too old to not know how to learn how to at least cook two to three meals. That's just lazy. I'm like, it's like you're talking sense like like our mothers would have been. Yeah. And then somebody was like, oh,

what do you want to learn to cook? And he said, shrimp Alfredo. And somebody was like, dude, that's like the easiest thing to cook in the world. And I would have been like, shut the fuck up. But he was like, well, not for me. And just like. Yeah, right. Can you make 35 footers? Like, stop.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, after that shit with LeBron and the Cavs and that meme moment, I feel like he's got some thick skin. Someone's saying, yeah, yeah, okay. Keep it moving. And then one, this is one I really love. He said, finish my English homework. Dope short story about a little girl with six brothers and seeking parental approval. Dope reading.

And then a stack of books emoji. And I was like, he's loving it. And I love to see this sort of, when you see people kind of get this whole new energy about them rather than just being like, let me let the momentum dissipate of being in the NBA and being an athlete. And then I just kind of figured out from there. He's like, no, I want to go get a degree. I want to learn.

And I'm loving that too. He's basically Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School, except for he was anba champion like oh right exactly really and yeah i mean somebody like asked their cousin if they like who goes to that college if they see him on campus they're like yeah all the time he's legit like on campus constantly yeah yeah he's going to a historically black college north carolina yeah yeah so yeah he's just good it's just it, North Carolina A&T. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, he's this guy. It's also funny to see tweets of other students at the college be like, yo, let this man fucking live, okay? Like, you guys are mobbing him, and he's a student just like any of us trying to get his degree.

And I'm like, I love it. I just love everything about this story where there's, like, other people who, like, I get it. He's here, and maybe it's a distraction, but also respect that he's also pursuing an education the fact that he's made it this far without like getting signed up for a reality show that is like following him around with a giant camera crew is impressive because that's you know that's coming or at least somebody is he's having to turn down a lot of money to to keep that out of this journey he also said somebody was like you got to sign up for intramural basketball and he was like facts so could you imagine i mean i will pay to see those oh my god if i show up to intramural

and jr smith is sitting there it's like come on man what the fuck are we doing yeah i mean i'm i'm trying to play but yeah i mean in a way like i'm so competitive sometimes i i can see that turning into straight up rage at jr smith because i'm like you shouldn't be here you're a fucking immortal and it's not right i'm just trying to fucking do me and you're gonna windmill on me are you fucking dumb i don't need this coke miles coming back yeah coke and ramiros miles coming back the fuck and yeah just man that was a fucking foul man and i'm just like low bridging him and shit they're like oh my god dude this guy's fucking sick yeah fantastic yeah what like when the worst guy on Georgetown would come to like run at like the gym where everybody played, like, and definitely the worst guy. It was just like night and day.

Could you imagine somebody who was the best player on Georgetown, let alone the, like one of the best players in the world, like playing intramural basketball? Like that would be. Coming up, I played in the league based out of Tarzana Park. It was actually a pretty competitive league. At the time when Gilbert Aranis was in college, he played in it foolishly. And I can tell you what it feels like. I was one of those folks that I came up playing basketball,

played high school, played traveling teams and whatnot. It was a man. ARC. I absolutely did play ARC. Shout out to North Hollywood games. But playing against guys that have it, it's night and day. You don't belong on the court with them. So it's always funny to me when I see people on NBA Twitter talking about,

oh, I could school that dude or I could do it. And honestly, really the funny part is when they're saying it about about the wba and it's like do you know what those ladies would do to you like do you have any idea there's videos of that exactly of shit talkers who step to wmba players and just get fucking dusted rinsed put out to dry folded ironed and then put back in the fucking drawer i got a buddy right now that still believes it like since the wmba started now and this was a dude you know what he may listen to this he was not as good as the rest of us and he swears up and down he swears up and down that he would absolutely destroy them and i just put a life for me it's like

oh you're not even six foot plus his fragile sense of masculinity i mean that would be a ratings bonanza if they're if they just scheduled games against people who swore up and down they can just watch those people's humanity just be fucking i would love oh my god it's a show called fuck around and find out yeah and it's like pros versus joes but what we do is we put people in psyops basically it's a psyop against these people being like gas them up oh you got them repairing you up with somebody who ain't shit bro you're gonna fuck them up and then we're really being like okay so uh you ready to fuck with candace parker right here you go you ready for this you sure can you can you handle this and then they

just get destroyed and then come to them and be like, how was that? Sit down, sir. As the game is playing, like on the Jumbotron, they're just playing like all their comments from earlier about how good they're going to be. Oh, right, right, right. You just get posted so easily. And then after every point, a shit talking thing has to go. Oh, I got this in the post. Drop set, please. Guys, I got to be honest with you.

I think you guys are giving away gold here. I'm not joking. It's pretty good. But yeah, because everyone wants to see a comeuppance, right? And like nothing better than people who swing way out of their fucking weight class for shit and like gas themselves up on stupid shit, ignorance. And then be like, I think you're in need of a real practical lesson here. Yeah. Anyway. Well, networks got at us. Yeah. Anyway. Well.

Network's got at us. Yeah, yeah. Jabari, it's been such a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you and follow you? I really appreciate you guys having me back. And like I said, I hope this is not a precursor to what will come on Tuesday. Right. Twitter's the easiest place.

Jabari Davis NBA. 19 Media Group is the group that I'm with. As Jack and Miles were both kind enough to mention earlier, Never Meet Your Heroes, as well as the NBA Baseline Pod. Ben, you said active social media? I do, actually. I got two quick ones for you. So Nate Robinson, I'm sure that you guys saw the Paul brothers, or maybe you saw the Paul brothers were talking to Miles Garrett, talking mess and going back and forth. Nate Robinson jumped into the mix and was trying to defend him.

Someone's response to Nate Robinson was, At Bashaw Song said, Good morning. It's been 10 months since your fight. For anybody that's not aware, Nate Robinson got knocked out. It's something so weird in his fight. Anyhow, yeah, I like silly stuff like that. And then the other one was actually by a buddy of mine, at dad sham dad, really good guy, politician Todd Withier, at GOP Todd.

He was kind of running his mouth, talking shit to somebody, and dismissing them, saying thanks. How many people voted for you to be the one that makes public policy? And my guy at dad sham dad reminded him reminded him hey you ran unopposed dumb shit oh man must be nice when you can just kind of assume you're famous but also can assume nobody like pays any attention to you so you can just make wild ass claims that's great miles where can people find you what's a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Grey.

Also, just other show, 420 Day Fiance. If you're fucking with a 90 day and weed, I mean, there's no better place, no better place to come on down for the fun times. Tweet that I like. Let's see. First one is just from John Levenstein at John Levenstein tweeted. I can't say this

hasn't crossed my mind uh that a horse dewormer might make my poops nicer and then uh steve hernandez uh you know regular guests on the show at big her and tweeted and it's just like this sort of conversation that happened on Twitter. He said, should I date someone that lives in Irvine? And then Alan Strickland Williams said, are they Irfine? And then someone was like, God damn it, Alan. And then someone else was asking like, no, you're married. And then Steve

said, have you heard of Polly? You know, like polyamorous. And another person came in and said, yeah, and I hear she's bad news. It was just like a bunch of weird stupid response and i just for local people i like someone saying irvine like yo they are fine in line with that dan at flawless cowboy tweeted shoddy bad like morally two black tweeted rereading is underrated which which is just true. Dan Perlman tweeted, recently got drunk at a wedding and started a fun made-up rumor that I baked the cake.

And then Steve again tweeted, two people having sex and they both have harmonicas in their mouths, which is just a great idea. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes. Where we link off to the information we talked about in today's episode,

as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song are you sending people to today? This is a track from an art again just so much good new music china c-h-y-n-n-a an mc from i'm guessing philadelphia because their profile says slytherin philadelphia leo shy fieri uh because they're called china so i'm really liking the the bio information and the track is called 1.28.19. I'm guessing the date being January 28th, 2019. And it's just like, it's just got a nice, dark, kind of futuristic gutter rap production.

It's kind of glitchy. And I just like her low energy flow. But it's like menacing too at the same time. I'm really liking all the new MCs that are coming out. So this is Chyna with 1.28.19. all the new MCs that are coming out. So this is China with 12819. Nice. Alright, go check that out. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

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