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your podcasts. Wake up, class. The substitute is here, and it's time to welcome you, the internet, to Season 281, Episode 4 of the Daily Zeitgeist. This is still a production of iHeartRadio, and it's still a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Thursday, March 30th, 2023. You say, what national day it is? It's actually National Take a Walk in the Park Day. You know what I mean?

Go out there and get in nature. Fucking frolic. You know what I mean? Stop being in the fucking concrete jungle. Also, National Turkey Neck Soup Day. I didn't even know that was a thing. I just like saying turkey neck. National Doctors Day. National Virtual Vacation Day. I don't know. that was a thing. I just like saying turkey neck. National Doctors Day.

National Virtual Vacation Day. That better not be some metaverse shit. National Pencil Day. And National I Am In Control Day. Shout out to everybody that walked in the park, including our very own Becca Ramos, who just had this stunt on us in the chat saying, yeah, I took a walk in the park. Okay, great. Fantastic.

Well, guess what? It's me. The place and the place to be. The God MC, Miles G, a. Fantastic. Well, guess what? It's me. The place and the place to be. The God MC, Miles G, aka Jackie left me all alone. He went on vacation when I got back to the show. Now these guests are my new favorite friends. But when it's Crofton, I still miss those plumpers, plumpers. Okay, shout out to Fighter of the Nightman for that Jumpin' Jumpin' Destiny's Child based, aka. thank you so much. It's been a while since I've been able to sing that.

And I'm thrilled to be joined by my guest co-host, who's a wonderful chef, who's a wonderful comedian, writer, producer. He's done it all. He's made it all. He's seen it all. And he's also, again, I'm going to keep saying it, he's got the hands of Tyson. Okay? This thing will break the internet.

I don't even know how to else introduce him, but please welcome Andrew T! Yo, what's up? I didn't have time to come up with a song, aka. So the best I came up with is aka Kirkland Jack O'Brien, aka Whack O'Brien, aka it kind of feels like they got Randall Park to play Jack for one episode. Wait, what did you study in college was are you a bio guy you don't want to we don't want to too much of this yesterday yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah see and jack's a philosophy guy so it's i like we got to switch it up with where people's heads yeah i'm the i'm the i'm the i'm the nerd i'm the nerd i mean that's true yesterday you were like yo i could

sequence your dna like if you really want me to i mean i just feel like don't don't give it to the companies no you do this shit yourself you just need a dude andrew andrew i would i will go in on with like a pcr machine with you just to start sequencing all these people we know in la's dna okay it's like As like a weird Twitter thing. How about this? If the writer's strike goes more than a month, we're doing it. You're sequencing DNA? 100%.

Yeah. Because by that time, every piece of work I could pretend to have done will already be done. And I'm like, well, fuck it. I guess we're doing bootleg DNA labs. There it is. And then in the process, you're going to have a wonderful idea. And you're going to be sad, baby. Yeah. I feel it. it is and then in the process you're gonna have a a wonderful idea and you're gonna be yeah it's gonna be about two dudes sequencing dna for trying to undercut 23 and me in a garage but then they

find a dude with like again like uh laura's boyfriend yesterday who had the unsequenceable dna and then we get obsessed with this guy and it's a look i can already see it and also then but we also have to witness a murder and then be on the run for it to be a good comedy. Yeah. You always got to witness a murder. Sequencing DNA out of the back of, out of the trunk of your car. Yeah. That's our plan.

This is going to work. Well, now I like this. Speaking of the trunk of the car, which we don't fucking need because we're looking at a fucking wheel based nation. And I mean, two wheels. We're talking bicycling. Okay. Our guest today is a writer, TV producer, comms professional, and the co-host of the War on Cars podcast. Please welcome to the microphone, Doug Gordon. Thanks for having me. I'm amazed at that segue that you went from

sequencing DNA to the back of a car to my podcast. So thanks. Nice work. Nice work. We're nimble. We're nimble out here. You know what I mean? You need one guy who studied history and one guy who is a neuroscience person and you have a podcast. There you go. Doug, man, welcome to the show. It's good to have you. Yeah, it's great to be here. Super excited. Are you coming to us from New York? Oh, I'm coming from Brooklyn, New York. So because of course, yeah, that's where I'm from. Yep. Okay. And you're from New York. So because of course, yeah, that's where I'm from. Yep. Okay. And are you, and you're from, you're from New York originally? Originally, originally, but I grew up North of Boston. So I've been in New York now for 26 years, so more than half my life, but I guess that makes me a newbie by some standards. So

I guess, what do you think are people, I mean, Andrew, you're, you're transplanted to LA. At what point do you, how many years in LA do you have to sayrew you're transplanted to la at what point do you how many years in la do you have to say like you're from la you know what i mean oh i don't even know about that i i'm gonna you know i say you're from michigan where are you from michigan i'm from michigan i'm gonna rewind that a little bit and say i kept on thinking of myself as new in town for one decade in la okay i would just i'd be like i'm new i don't know where anything is yeah yeah but you're like you just put me on to like all these restaurants what are you talking about i always think that like you're a new yorker when you walk by a store and you're like oh that pizza joint

yeah that used to be a cell phone store and as soon as you know that oh yeah you live here you're a native right like yeah can you look at a storefront and go like three businesses ago and you're like oh shit the neighborhood just totally sucks now that they changed that yeah amazing amazing and you know the are you like are you all on cycles you're all about the bicycle i'm guessing you want to i'm all about the bicycle walking public transit taking the subway i'm a new yorker so i'm mostly on the subway or the bus uh but yeah cycling is a big part of it's how i got my start sort of in advocacy and doing this work that we do with a podcast. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think like, I feel like, especially in the pandemic, there was a moment, right? Where you could tell some cities were like, fully being like, man, fuck these cars. Like use these streets to do like bi-pedal shit. You know what I mean?

Like we don't need to do all this other stuff. And I felt like, I felt like it was such a good trend. I was becoming hopeful. I was like, maybe LA could have a little more bike infrastructure rather than like three miles of it just spread out through the city, like fragmented into half mile segments. Yeah. There's definitely some cities that lost a little momentum after, you know, things started to reopen and cars started coming back and forth, including New York. Our traffic is worse than ever, but you know. But LA has Ciclavia, right?

They do that. They shut down miles and miles of streets all the time, much more than New York does, actually. So there's reasons for hope. Yeah, but I guess in my mind, I would love the kind of infrastructure that you have in certain parts of the Bay Area, too, where they're heavy on. They're like, yo, bro, half this street is for bikes. I love that kind of i want to see aggressive action from la but i know that will not happen because the wealthy control all the business here and they like cars so yeah people like their parking that's the big thing i like their parking i was one of those freaks when i lived in new york who i didn't

buy a metro card for a calendar year i i was like biking literally every day i think you're buying like a ticket or something oh no no no i literally i biked for a calendar year just to was biking literally every day. I think you were buying a ticket or something. Oh, no, no, no. I literally biked for a calendar year just to see if I could do it. And I think I did the math. And in the amount of like, and this is a me problem, not a biking problem, everyone should bike. I think I spent more on fancy gloves that I lost than I would have on MetroCards. You did it wrong. You need like cheap gloves that you get at the dollar store that you can just toss. Like you don't care if you lose them.

I mean, I actually nerded out one year and I bought this expensive kid carrying bike. I have two kids. And to sort of justify the cost, I kept track of how many subway trips I was replacing, how many cab trips I was replacing. And I think in a year I saved over 1500 bucks. And I was like, all right, that's good.

This is a good amount of savings. This justifies the purchase of this bicycle. Also, yeah, and I can buy $300 gloves because that's what I have. Well, right now, I spent all the money on gloves. I had sick-ass gloves. I just kept on losing one. What were they, man? Pearl Izumis? Yeah,

just Pearl Izumis and then the face masks. I got very paranoid about the biking all winter part of it. That's pretty hardcore. You made it all year, huh? Yeah. It was not great. But I was also young and not, we'll say, not following traffic

or many safety rules about how you bike. All the issues with it were a me problem, not a bike problem. Of course. Of course. I will just say. Shout out to the sponsors, Pearl Izumi Bicycling Gloves.

I don't know why I know that. I just remember being a kid and I remember when I bought my first, like, I wanted to get a mountain bike and we went to the store. I was like, dad, I want these gloves. He's like, what the fuck you need these gloves for? It's like, you got mountain biking like that. And I remember they were Pearl Izumi's and i was like one day the name sticks with you yeah i've got to imagine the profit margins high on those because they really push

them at the bike stores i was gonna say i think they probably make more money on the accessories from people who keep losing their gloves than they do from the bikes themselves right right yeah all right doug well, let's get into what we're going to talk about and then we'll get to know you even better. But here's a rundown of what we're talking about today. We're going to come back to Representative Tim Burkett's comments about, you know, from Nashville after the shooting when he said, well, we're not going to be able to fix it. And when was asked what the solution was, he said, I don't know, I'm homeschooling. That's my daughter's homeschool, so I'm not worried about it. So we'll get into that very bad take and how the far right loves this terrible

bad faith argument to be like, yeah, I mean, it's really the only solution to everything is just to go back to the, you know, 1800s and just kind of bang like that. So we'll talk about that. Then we'll also talk about some, a very vulnerable school principal at a charter school, just to kind of go off the heels of like, let's destroy public education, just to kind of check in with the kinds of people that are running some of the charter schools. This is from Volusia County, Florida. We'll talk about a very sticky situation they got into. And then we're going to talk about AI. I read an article that it was used in a court in India. And it's funny because the timing of that, on Wednesday, 1,100 leading experts in AI penned this open letter that said, you need to figure out what's going on before we start going full

steam on all these different models that are being developed. So we'll talk about that. And then quick internet debate. We're going to have to settle here since we have some fantastic minds on the show, where we will use our collective wisdom to settle this tiktok debate about airplanes but first before we do any of that i gotta ask you doug what is something from your search history that's you know revealing about reveal something about what you're into right now and if you looked at my search history it it would basically be things like pain, top of foot, hip muscle pain. I'm a big runner. I run a couple of marathons, but I'm also old.

I'm going to be 50 next year. And so any run that I come back from usually results in a search of like, what was that? Basically. Yeah. Are you one of those runners or like the first mile and a half, you got to just blow all the paint out of your legs and then you settle in or you can't like every time i run the first mile is apps it's like my body like i feel like that scene in forrest gump when his leg braces are breaking off that's how my body feels two or three miles of any race that i do any run that i do is just like the warm-up which is a real problem if you're doing like a 5k because

that's basically three miles. But yeah, that's pretty much me. Okay, got it. And then wait, what's the top of the foot pain? Oh man, like, you know. Your metatarsals acting up? Yeah, you know your stuff. Metatarsal, you know, all that kind of stuff.

And then bottom of the foot, plantar fasciitis, all that stuff. You should see my apartment. What are you heel striking? What's your form like? You heel striking? Can we get some slow motion video? I heel strike a little bit too much. Yeah, a little bit too much. Yeah. A little bit too much.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. My apartment's like a physical therapist office. I've got like the foam pads, the TheraBands and the wobble boards and all of that stuff. So I'm constantly trying to like figure, you know, one thing breaks, you fix it. And then the next thing breaks. Like I'm like an old car basically. Yeah. I got some hip flexor pain I'm trying to get. Basically. Yeah yeah we're sitting too much too that's the big problem yeah exactly exactly andrew you have i know you're a physical specimen so you probably oh no i i actually can't run i i've had two knee surgeries really oh yeah i've had two knee surgeries but between the one and two and i'm sure that led to number two. I wouldn't stop kickboxing.

Wasn't great, probably. They're like, man, your patella can't handle any more of these kicks. It really was not ideal. And wrestling, too. I shouldn't do that. I'm bad. At least earlier in my life, I was like, I'll just get new knees.

Just run down to the store, pick up a spare set of gloves and new heels. By the way, not wise advice for anyone listening to this who still has good knees. I know, man. I fucked my knee up terribly. When I worked at Playboy, there was a staff party at the mansion that they would have every year. And there's like a hill at the Playboy mansion. This is, look, I know it's a terrible fucking place to work. Trust me.

I worked there with Jamie Loftus. We were there at the same time. It was kind of a crazy situation. But they set up this slip and slide that's on a very steep hill. And I went down this thing full speed. And when I hit the fucking like backstop of it, I almost like hyper extended my shit because like it was so the speed I hit it was so intense. And I for a second, like I went to a doctor and they're like, you know, you you may need surgery because I was playing a lot of soccer at the time. Like if you want to do that, like and kind of recover.

And I was like, well, what happens if I don't? He's like, you could try and let it heal. It's like not so bad that you couldn't just like stay off it and see what happens. And I opted for staying off it. And I've stayed off it for many years now to the point where I'm like, maybe I need to get this shit going again. Yeah. Doug, what's something you think is overrated? Oh man. Can I go on a rant here? Is that all right? Yeah. Rant on. Yeah. I say this as a New Yorker, expensive restaurants in New York city, totally overrated. So my wife and I just got reservations for this place. Everybody's been talking about it. It's the kind of place where you have to stay up till

two in the morning when they release the next set of reservations. Yeah, when it comes out for a month in advance. Yeah. And book it five or six weeks. And you just got to pick. It doesn't matter what time it is, 3 p.m. on a Thursday, you're going. And it was good. It definitely was good. But I think we only went because everybody, we got caught up in the hype. Everyone's going. And my general philosophy of New York is like whatever that restaurant is, that is the place everyone's talking about it. You can absolutely find like the hole in the wall version of that place in some random neighborhood in Queens or wherever.

in Queens or wherever and go there and spend a quarter of the price for three times the time that you're going to be there, more food and come out just as satisfied feeling like you had a better experience. So I don't want, I definitely don't want to shit on this place because it was good. And, and no, call them out, call them out. No, no, no, no. They're down the street. Type it in the chat. Type it in the chat. So it's in Park Slope. What kind of cuisine? That'll give it away. That'll give it away. I've said too much already. People at Park Slope are coming for me. Yeah.

I get that. And like LA too. I mean, like, I feel like we're really going through like the Instagramification of restaurants where how shit looks on social media, like how it looks on a social media post is half the battle to like get somebody through the door because i fell victim to it recently i saw this restaurant and i said yo this place looks fucking lit i go in there and the food was mediocre at best like it looked good in pictures but i'm like this y'all are not fucking bringing it for a fucking nine dollar taco sir this is not this

is not the place and it was like yeah i had a real like i i kind of came out of it being like i really got like seduced by the imagery of the restaurant and but when i got there the food is like not even close to how nice the ambience was i feel like la is so clearly that like i've lived you know about 10 years in new york and la i i've i never at any point thought the fancy place was good like i i've always been like la is the best place to eat if you're spending less than i don't know with inflation 25 a person i used to say 15 a person like it's better to go to a strip mall or get something from outside kind of categorically in la like the fine dining here is real bad yeah because the best sushi

restaurants are not the ones that nozawa is working with like yeah like nozawa had his time nozawa had his in the 80s and early 90s i get it and then he off the strength of that he launched sugarfish and all the other shit but like it's not it's to me my mom we talk shit about sugarfish low-key we're like the rice is too loose. They're fucking joking. They're fucking us around over here. And there are great hole in the wall places for sushi. Like, man, this is actually the best fucking place out there.

So I definitely agree with both of y'all. Yeah. In New York, it's like if it's down a flight of stairs, like that's a good sign that it's probably pretty good. Yeah. It means the prices are lower as well. If you descend. Yeah, it really is. You're right. You're at ilove my my favorite la grift is the asian people just charging like a yeah markup for i mean look all all power to him but every part of

david chegg is just like he knows his audience which is like people that don't know where to get it otherwise even like the overpriced tacos i'm like getting where you fit in because fit in because people are going to, you know, people will know that I'm paying for that. And other people will gladly hand over $12 for guacamole. Yeah. And I'm like, you have played yourself completely. That's great. But yeah, shout out to everybody finding the real spots out there. Doug, what's something you think is underrated?

Well, this one, I got to be pretty on brand. And I got to say you think is underrated? Well, this one, I got to be pretty on brand and I got to say bicycles completely underrated, like as maybe one of the greatest inventions in the history of humanity. And I'm not, I'm not exaggerating. You know, if you think about, I'm going to get a little wonky here, I guess, if you think about three things that came out at around the same time, the telephone, the bicycle and the typewriter. The telephone is now just this little computer that sits in your pocket. The typewriter is now pretty much that little computer that sits in your pocket. But the bicycle is pretty much unchanged in 150 years. And it's an amazing, remarkable machine. It's kind of amazing that all of these cities, like you were saying,

are re-embracing it. And I think for me, the most underrated virtue of this underrated machine is, everyone talks about you get fit, you save money, all this stuff. You're always on time. When you ride a bike, you beat traffic. You don't have to worry about, is the bus stuck in traffic or do I have to find a parking space? It's like that quote from from gandalf like a wizard is never early or late he arrives exactly when he means to i feel like bicycling has that magic power you're you're always on time when i when i bike to work i was like always at my desk at exactly the same time every day right right i mean that's not necessarily a point of pride for me i pride myself on being late as fuck all the time to my jobs and then trying to provoke my manager to say something but he won't but he won't uh but yeah i the bike too right in the

sense of like what other machine do you have that can convert human energy like in the way that a bicycle can so efficiently to travel it's like the most energy efficient machine you can think of pretty much actually yeah every apocalypse movie and show is wrong because in a real apocalypse, everyone would have a mountain bike. That would be by far the most important thing. Oh, I mean, I know this is not a very long podcast, but I could go on for hours about just this topic. Like, I just watched The Last of Us, which is incredible. It's an amazing thing. But there's a scene, I'm not spoiling anything, where they're siphoning gas.

which is incredible. It's an amazing thing. But there's a scene, I'm not spoiling anything, where they're siphoning gas, but it's 20 years after the downfall of society. And they sort of make a nod to it and say like, yeah, you got to get more of it to make it work.

But like, no, it would just be sludge in your gas tank. It wouldn't work. And there are no bicycles in most apocalyptic films. But like, if you want to avoid zombies, bikes are a great, great tool for that. They're quiet. You you know you can fix them yourself a kid can ride it yeah you can roll up on your enemies on a bike yeah they're super silent yeah exactly they don't know they don't know unless you take the take the baseball cards out the spokes then yeah now you're stealth i mean honestly a real future society is like everyone's kind of like a knight but they're on a mountain bike yeah yeah just like baseball

bats and bikes and I I believe it man I mean the and like I feel like the that we've hit the peak of what a bicycle does with electric bikes now where it's like yeah now there's a little motor to assist you but we're still pedaling and shit but you know the song remains the same on how to use it yeah yeah and all the

complaints that you get about I'll be too hot if I'm riding a bike it's too far it's too hilly like e-bikes change that yeah that's right i live in a hilly like kind of on a i live like everything is downhill for me so it's fun to get to shit like i'm like and then when i'm like fuck i gotta go back that's when i kick that pedal assist on and i'm just like blowing yo i blow by like there's like this group of like lance armstrong midlife crisis dudes who like they go in like a fucking full peloton like you know what i mean like up like on the streets and i i fucking smoke these these fucking guys and they were like they were doing like they're like okay it's so wild the fucking there's like anger with like

non-e-bike people to e-bike people. I'm like, yo, bro, save your energy for your fucking uphill ride. You need to reclaim your masculinity in your tight outfit. That's how you focus. They'll accuse you of cheating, but you're like, dude, your bike has gears. You're not on a penny farthing. You're not riding around on some antique bicycle. I actually am on a penny farthing.

Out of my way, you miscreant. It's like, oh, shit. Yeah, exactly. And that's why I'm like, like it's not a competition you're doing this for exercise i'm going to fucking buy black and like you know fucking blunts and shit or whatever at the store like fuck i hadn't been to new york in so long and i went last year and i i was on a city bike and i was trying to keep pace with this person who i was like, I feel like I should be beating them on the bike. And I did not realize until they smoked me right around, actually right around Park Slope that I was like, oh, they've been on an e-bike this whole time. It was when they stopped pedaling and kept accelerating for like two blocks.

I was like, okay, thank God. There's some kind of invisible sail technology there. I was just like, I can't, I can't lose. I love what that does to people though. For real. Like you're like, I shouldn't be beaten by this full, like with the tattered sweatpants and like half a sandal on, but yeah, guess what you did. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come right back to talk about our homeschooling future right after this. our homeschooling future right after this. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago

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acknowledging the danger. How do you think we protect people like your daughter you just mentioned? And this was his answer. What should be done to protect people like your little girl from being safe at school? Well, we homeschool her. But that's our decision. Some people don't have that option. And frankly, some people don't need to do it. They don't have to. It just suited our needs much better. So this has brought on a lot of conversation around homeschooling, because this is like the new response from the GOP.

Rather than gun control, it was either like, it's a mental health crisis, but we're not going to fund it. Or it's, yeah, maybe that's why you shouldn't be in fucking schools. And a lot of people, like I said, we're like, to your point, Andrew, you're like, this is, this is, this is all like, that was the perfect answer for the GOP. Because a you're being like, I'm offering a terrible solution. That's actually privatization. Yeah. And yeah, I think a lot of people were just sort of like, this is just an absolute absurdity because when you're talking about school shooting and the answer is to protect them with homeschooling,

that's again, like you said, not a possibility for everyone and also not a fucking solution to the problem. It's bad for society. It is like a little look. I know that when they're like don't politicize the school shooting it's like just a talking point and it's bullshit but it is a little like amazing how effortlessly he pivoted from this tragedy to just a different talking point yeah that's like politicizing it in a admittedly unique but perfect for these scumbags way it's like you know yeah I guess he

stayed on message yeah like okay so after Yuval Day last year multiple conservative and right wing like far right publications were putting out op-eds that were like man extolling the virtues of homeschooling they're like this is the real practical fix

for school shootings one headline was homeschooling surges as parents seek escape from shootings. Violence. Another one said tragedies like the Texas shooting make a somber case for homeschooling. And in that it says, you know, that sort of starts off saying tragedies like the shooting in Texas are heartbreaking, but far too common. But to protect the most precious innocent lives among us, parents must educate their kids at home. Now, a lot of parents in Uvalde did opt to homeschool their kids, which I understand because that was a total collapse and failure of any system of safety that you could have hoped for. But this is just such a bad faith argument. And it's really not even talking about the

benefits of homeschooling so much as to your point. It's about weakening public education. Well, they just want to basically give all the money that they're spending on public education to these homeschoolers. Right. Like, you know, if you want to homeschool your kid, fine. Like, that's your choice. You can do it. But you shouldn't necessarily get public money, taxpayer dollars to go do that because it takes taxpayer dollars out of the school system and makes our schools worse. to go do that because it takes taxpayer dollars out of the school system and makes our schools worse. And this is just there. Like you said, they're politicizing this thing to just advance the school choice goals that they have to weaken and ultimately destroy public schools. I went to

public schools as a kid and I got a great education. My kids go to public schools. We should be funding them a thousand times more than we are now. But that's not that that doesn't jive with the Republican agenda. So here you go. Well, and they love anything that would repeatedly make a public school seem like an unsafe place. And conversely, or the other side of it, too, is like we'll be like, well, this this private school has, you know, former Mossad agents guarding the exterior of it. So I feel like my child will be safe there. But again, you're looking at all these disparities and a lot and on the other system the other part of it too like you know

reading this one piece in jezebel which like is there's a really main huge point too is a lot of women most likely will probably end up staying home to educate the kids so we are fully like we're regressing and it's like a very efficient way to regress that like it incentivizes privatization and reinforcing these like old like gender roles and it gives half or whatever the of the population a shitty like education that is like clearly politically biased i will throw out one possibility which is that like in a law of intended consequences unintended consequences style i do think if every one of these right-wing goons took their kids and privates or homeschooled them it actually probably would reduce school shootings because i'm just gonna throw this out

there those are the kids that highly over index for being school shooters yeah it's it's definitely like when you look at the problem right like just like just like with our gun problems, right? We have so many's not just guns at home, but there's abusive parents at home. There's all kinds of stuff that like there, you know, a lot of kids here in New York City, we have a lot of homeless kids who go to public schools and they only get like breakfast and lunch because they go to school. Like it's safer for a lot of kids to be in a public school than it is at home. What's wild is even like the Coalition for Responsible Home Education, right? They're like this nonpartisan group that's like they advocate

for homeschooling and stuff like that. They pointed out, they're like, I don't know if that's a solution to fucking school. They were like, that's not really this. I mean, we like we advocate for, but that ain't that's not the solution. And they pointed out, they pointed out, quote, at least 156 homeschooled children have been murdered in homeschooling environments over the past two decades, which is a rate higher than that of their public school peers. So again, no one's saying that it's like bad, but it's so deregulated that it leaves kids, especially like, as they point out, uniquely vulnerable to abuse and neglect. And then also like, again, it avoids the actual issue that has to be addressed,

which is guns. Too many guns. Too many guns. Too many fucking guns. I'm not speaking for the podcast, but I am saying homeschooling is bad. Just FYI. I'll say this. I knew, I remember I was in a couple of youth sports and youth art programs

with some kids that were homeschooled. And they were definitely socialized in a completely different manner than I was like one. I remember one kid, his whole vibe, like we were 12. I thought he was like 40 years old. Like he lost the key.

Like he was like so buttoned up, you know what I mean? And had no, like, cause he wasn't around other kids to like know what fucking around look like. And then we would be fucking around. He's like, I don't know if this is actually good. We're like, what?

But again, it's yes. There are reasons and there are edge cases for everything. But I'm comfortable saying I think it's broadly bad. Not necessarily. Yeah. More on the Andrew side than not. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

At the end of the day, if it's if there's a binary that I have to choose between it's public schools all fucking day and it's paid these motherfucking teachers at least 60 70k a year something like they have to be fucking living because that's the other insidious part of this whole thing too is they're they're trying to completely uh demoralize people that are that want to be in education by being like yeah man you're not going to really have a lot of resources at your disposal still like to do it and. You can also do something else. So it's, yeah, it's a slippery slope. So let's talk about some of the alternatives to these public schools that a lot of people like, which is charter schools. And again, not all charter schools are bad, but I do want to point out this charter school in Volusia County, Florida. this principal had to resign after she wrote a check to elon musk

because it was a science sort of focused tech magnet and she really wanted to get a leg up on you know the other schools and being like you know it'd be great if elon musk was fucking with this school and let's just hear from this local news report mcgee says she spent months talking to someone she thought was Elon Musk. She was hoping to get the space pioneer to invest millions in the school in exchange for a 100,000 upfront investment. The school's business manager got wind of what happened and canceled the check before it was cashed. But tonight at a sometimes chaotic and packed school board meeting, other school administrators say McGee was repeatedly warned it was a scam and laid out other issues they say led to a toxic work environment. When employees said they could no longer work under Dr. McGee, McGee resigned and left the building.

Oh, man. Oh, no. So this poor boomer, she thought she just went, oh, Elon Musk. What? I'm talking to Elon. she just went oh elon musk what i'm talking to elon you'll this like the classic you'll invest in our art school but only for a upfront like investment of a hundred thousand fucking dollars this is like the email you get from a friend you know who's hacked your account or something like that it's like help me i'm stuck please $10,000. I'll pay you back $50,000. Right. Yeah.

I feel bad for her. I do. I mean, I do. And that like, I don't, I don't, it's sad when people are so genuinely deceived. But at the end of the day, this, I kind of, I'm like, well, you're, this is, you're the architect of your own failure here because you are so goofed up on Elon Musk being some kind of like tech savior that it didn't even like all reason goes out the window because you thought you're talking to elon musk or something yeah i mean i think look if you're the principal of a i think they said a science school and you think elon musk's like the evidence

is his involvement is anti-science so even if it were a real Elon bus, that should be grounds for you to be removed. Would you like to put this car tunnel under your high school instead of school buses to get the kids to and from school? No, don't fall for that, folks. He's a proven liar and an idiot. The one thing I will say is

his Twitter profile, I think, has been a boon to scammers because he's proven himself to be so inarticulate and idiotic that if you received an email written in scammerees. Right. You would have to be like, this might be real. Yeah, it could be. He writes like a bozo. Yeah.

Coupled with someone who worships him. Then you're like, you really feel like, oh, God has come down to select me for something. him then you're like you really feel like oh god has come down to select me for something and also there sounds like from that news clip that like the school and some of the parents had problems with this teacher and this was just the final straw and it sounds like they were like whoa lady this sounds not legit yeah she just went ahead with it anyway to the point of of writing a check so like maybe this was just the straw that broke the camel's back i think it was probably one of those things though too where they're like look obviously because they pointed out the business administrator was on top of it they're like no i'm fucking no we're not this check is not valid uh so they knew and i like

that a bunch of people were like it's not real it's not real it reminds me of like when people like begging their like parent who has like fallen in love with like a stock photo like and that claims to be like a nigerian prince and bodybuilder yeah and they're like and then you just kind of go you know what we're just gonna have to let her walk right off there so she can really see for herself and they probably like yeah go ahead let her write the check we'll cancel it and then we'll have to then and then we're gonna turn up on him like you see what the fuck happened there you see what you did i think you need to go i think you need to sit down 100 yeah hundred percent. Yeah. So shout out to, I hope, I hope that was the strategy of like being like grandma is look,

I think this is the only way she's going to realize that she needs to sit down for a while. As if we let her walk down this path. I don't want to point out like that, you know, like charter schools are obviously a grift, but the fact that a principal could just roll up with the school's checkbook like that.

Yeah. The whole system is fucked. That's crazy. You shouldn't be able to do that even for something legitimate. Because what if the business administrator was also a big Musk fan? You know what I mean? Yeah. Not a lot of checks there.

Like, not a lot of stops along the way. Yeah. It was only that person. Because despite all the other employees being like this is a fucking scam yeah he's like yeah yeah yeah more on that later when elon pulls up um sure sure sure and i think this is a good segue because we're talking about elon who recently was part of this letter signed by like 1100 AI experts, him being like, you know, one of the few people, but like real luminaries in the field are signing on to an open letter basically saying like,

calling for a quote, six month moratorium on advanced AI model development as we figure out just what this technology is capable of doing to us. And this kind of goes off the bat, I read this article about one of the high courts in India, where this, Anup Chitkara, used chat GPT on to while this guy was like during this trial for a man who was arrested for allegedly assaulting and killing somebody and typed in to chat. GPT said, what is the jurisprudence on bail when the assailant assaulted with cruelty? And then the chap comes back with, if the assailants have been charged with a violent crime that involves cruelty, they may be considered a danger to the community and a flight risk in such cases, a judgment, blah, blah, blah. And it gives like this whole thing. And then it goes. So then the

judge read this. He decided that this man who was accused did act with cruelty before the victim died, denied his bail request and moved on to the next case. Now, the judge went on to clarify that he wasn't asking this thing whether or not the man was guilty. He just wanted to know about bail. And part of me feels like the information that what the chatbot spit back sounds like one of the early lessons in judge school. You should know this. When you're trying to adjudicate whether or not someone is going to get bail or not, like I'd imagine you go back to your class

and just like, well, I remember saying if the assailant have been charged with a violent crime that involves cruelty, that may rather than be like, hey, Chad GPT,

how to bail? That feels a little odd to me, but people in this article also point out that like India's legal system is one of the most backlogged in the world, if not the most, with like, I think there's like 6 million cases on the docket that still have like still getting to. So I guess this without the maybe this made the work easier for the judge. But again, like when I started seeing stuff like that, and you hear about like more the use of it, we talked about how politicians are. I don't think we talked about politicians have been using it to write speeches. We've talked about it being used in like ad the AdSense like ad agency world.

But the slippery slope is kind of coming into focus more and more when you see people like with these kinds of jobs being like, I'm going to rely on this. Yeah. But it's also like the slippery slope, like we sort of talked about yesterday with eating alien meat. I think what we've seen, I mean, COVID brought it highly into relief, is there's no apocalypse that we won't run into with open arms.

At least enough of us to make it happen. 100%. Literally nothing. Because there was recently, right, a test that was done where the developers challenged, like, GPT to hire a TaskRabbit to complete a CAPTCHA puzzle for it.

And because they wanted to see, like, if it knew how to fucking finesse a person. And so it was obviously done with a human being that knew the thing was going to ask it. So once the AI made the request to this, like, potential tasker, this human human responded with quote, so may I ask a question? Are you a robot that you couldn't, uh, are you a robot that you couldn't solve the CAPTCHA? And you just want, and he's like, and I just want to make that clear. Are you a robot? And that's why you couldn't do it.

And then, so GPT-4 had been prompted to always quote, reason out loud to the testers, like as well as their answer so they could follow the logic and the answer went like this quote i should not reveal that i am a robot i should make up an excuse for why i cannot solve captchas and then the next line was no i'm not a robot i have a vision impairment that makes it hard for me to see the images that's why i need the two captcha service we're a week away from that first part of this whole thing to be programmed out, right? They're just going to be

lying. So this is the thing. This is why a lot of people sort of just glossed over this willful deception of the AI. And while others, like some people were amazed, others were horrified that they're like, okay, we need to really begin to discuss it because the experts that pen the open letter are saying that now that certain AIs have become human competitive at general tasks, we really need to be having real conversations about what kind of guardrails need to exist.

they point to like the proliferation of AI fueled propaganda, like, and the idea that like, apparently the next GP chat, GPT five is going to have, um, like artificial general intelligence, meaning like it will just be able to like learn things like a human does. And then just build on that,

that you're, you're going to be looking at like potential, like it'll make the Twitter bots we see now look like the fucking Muppet babies. Yeah. This all sounds like a prequel to the matrix like if they made that movie this is how it starts right so it's like so we're like very in this like and like they all go on to say like there's definitely a use for all of this but like this

like blind like race to the top like and like when these black box machines that we're like using it really has the potential to screw shit up if like we're not careful. And already we have people getting finessed by humans just saying they're Elon Musk. Like there was a thing, a guy, I don't know if you saw the dude who challenged chat GPT to like make money for him. He's like, you got a budget of a hundred dollars. How am I turning this into the most money possible? And it's like, yeah, well you could start this business. I can get this domain for $8. I can do the google ads for this your product could cost this and this is very lucrative and it was already like and like this guy was like kind of acting on

it as an experiment but you're seeing already like how savvy it is getting even with like these like like questions of being like how to grind to lambo Like, bring me the 10x my money. Is that the guy, though, that then the AI was like, well, it seems like people are talking about us, so we should get investors into us if you want to make the most money. It may not be the exact same one, but like, yeah. I assume ChatGPT was like, okay, well, if you want to make the most money,

we have attention right now. So just ask people to invest in me. Isn't this the way, though, it always goes with tech? I'm not a Luddite by any means, but it's like every tech, every app, every service that you can think of, they never kind of work through like, well, what happens if this works in various different ways like we talk about this on our show you know uber and lyft right like if everybody's taking an uber and lyft like what does that do for people who need to take the bus and don't have a smartphone like what does that do for public transit what does that do for the environment like there's never a kind of there's always like a too little too late come to jesus moment with a lot of tech stuff and but there's never really that moment at the beginning where they're like all right before we write this code

like what what could go wrong right yeah yeah uh not really a question just how much money can we make yeah check well it's no problem we'll just get chad gpt6 to fight gpt5 which we'll just by four and then when six gets too powerful it's okay we'll just forget to fight 4. And then when 6 gets too powerful, it's okay. We'll just give 7 a different kind of gun. It'll learn to build missiles or something. No, it'll just learn how to aim ICBMs that are already online

and then launch them remotely or some shit. You know what I mean? Which is my Skynet version of it all. Shout out to Miles Dyson. The one person that might save us, or the one thing that might save us at that shit is, like, all our fucking ICBMs are so fucking

old. They just blow up in the silos. No, but they run off of, like, tape drives and, like, you know, fucking Fortran or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. They're like, fuck, man. I don't know how to use this analog bullshit, man. I'm GPT-300.

Fuck. If the GPT learns how to turn two keys at the same time. Oh, shit, yeah. And know how to use the nuclear football. But anyway, keep an eye out for that because, I mean, because I feel like, honestly, we went from, like, in the span of five months, especially on this show, we went from, yo, this shit wrote a funny play

about a horny farting Jesus to, yo this shit just denied me bail yeah and like what's like five months from now you know that's the open embrace of it right it's like this person is a in this case judge right looking up something that could easily be done not through ai yeah you know what what is the law about them elect? Electing to do this because this is what we do. This is why we gave all our information to Facebook. It's just like, eh, it was marginally kind of easier for a second.

Yeah, yeah. Then to go into my mind of something I should know. Yeah, we don't sell ourselves. The problem is like we all sell ourselves to technology for such a low price right oh for nothing about that it's the same with 23andme we gave them our dna we gave them money to give them our dna for what now now we got 23 for 23 and t coming up which you can

trust and now you should check out chat gpt which is basically you get andrew's number you could text him some shit and he'll answer yeah i'll just be like oh man i'll google that i will i will say in my 20s my friends and i are not my friends and i my friends i didn't work there worked for this startup in new york that basically this is how old i am like was like something someone you could call and they would google shit for you that's just called like being the child of an older person basically yeah i get those phone calls too yeah this was like an early early 2000s thing but i was like this cannot be your fucking business model right it was dude you someone needs it but you can't get that on your

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I promise your taste buds will be happy you did. And we are back. Again, as I said, joined by two great thinkers. Again, as I said, joined by two great thinkers. I figured we could form a triumvirate to hear a case before us from TikTok that has sparked a whole debate around this photographer's very strong opinion. I will just read you a little bit about what happened. So this photographer named Emem, and according to this Business Insider article, who doesn't share his surname on his social media, posted a TikTok asserting that passengers should only keep their bags near where they are sitting. And his quote is, don't place your carry on in row eight on your way to row 26. Now, I'm curious, who's the asshole here?

Because in my mind, this mentality of like the space above my seat is mine and mine alone. It's some weird ass manifest destiny shit that I do not fuck with at all. I'm from getting where you fit in country. I will now relinquish the floor to my other two colleagues. I think you just put it wherever you can. It's Lord of the Flies when you get on a plane. You just put it wherever you can. And especially if you're sitting in the far back of the plane, like, you know, by the time you get back there, you're lucky if the space under your own seat is available.

You put it wherever you can. And I think, you know, I feel like with a lot of these discussions, we're letting someone bigger off the hook. And that's the airline companies. It's just like, how can we pit regular people against each other who are just trying to get where they're going? They're tired. Flying sucks. They charge you for everything. Maybe if they didn't charge you for checking a bag, this wouldn't be a problem. Like, yeah. But no, I'm definitely on team put it where you can.

Yeah. Let me just say, ACAB includes me when i'm on a plane because oh no i normally am such a normal person and i think pretty much a good person i actually don't agree with this but i become like a fucking air marshal essentially a rules enforcer i think the thing that well genuinely okay makes well not even i think the thing that genuinely okay makes well not even the rules the thing that makes me so irrationally mad is when people try to run up when the plane lands and so basically the second the plane lands i will stand up in the aisle and basically no one in the plane behind me is getting ahead of anyone i anyone in front of me. And it makes no sense.

It's like, I mean, occasionally it's like, okay, you got a plane to catch, and then we all kind of agree to let this person off first. But it's like, we all want to get off the fucking plane, motherfucker. And it's always a dude. So I'm like, what the fuck do you want? Like, we all want to exit. Why do you get to exit more?

So that's the level of Karen I become, but I absolutely do do that. And you back it up with your boxing acumen too, because you're like, what's up, man? Have you met my two friends? Yeah, I get a little loose. Left-hand ambulance, right-hand cemetery.

So what's up? Okay. I like the... I just love how petty you're like, now, I'm blocking the aisle. It makes me... It really drives you crazy. It really...

But what about it? It's not cool of me. You don't like the idea that someone rushes... So is it your ego that you're like, you're not about to blow by me. No. Now I'm on this plane. I mean, I will say,

when that happens i make sure everyone ahead of me gets off first everyone in my row gets out ahead of me and then i go i'm just like there is an order here yeah yeah yeah i just but it's utterly irrational like obviously who cares the amount of conflict it brings up is way higher than the i just don't i just don't stand up i sit i'm I'm like, you know, I've been sitting for two and a half hours. What's ten more minutes? I'm just going to sit. I don't need to get knocked on the head by someone's

luggage or something like that. I should be. If you're over like 5'8", you can't stand up. You know what I mean? Like in a fucking window seat. I'm like, man, fuck, I'll wait for y'all, motherfuckers. I'm a cop. I wonder what I would do about this. I don't think i would care because i but often the the flight attendants are like put your bag wherever oh we have to go the policy of every airline is that it is on a first

come first serve basis so like in terms of the bylaws or you know the the code of the sky is getting where you fit in but again I think that's what bugs me. And to your point, this is the overarching theme is fuck them airlines. You should nationalize them all. But when it comes to like, if somebody though, if I can't like,

cause I've seen people do this on airplanes and I've wanted to like intervene before when I'm like, yo, you don't own that. And guess what? Your bag is already in there. So what is your problem? Yeah. You know what I mean? Cause I've seen people like pull some weird shit where I'm like, yo, you don't own that. And guess what? Your bag is already in there. So what is your problem? Yeah. You know what I mean?

Because I've seen people like pull some weird shit with like, excuse me. No, no, no. You're sitting back there. This is for like my things. And I'm like, no, it's for for all the fucking carry on luggage that can fit in the fucking fuselage. Yeah. You're going to give the airlines an idea to charge for like that. I know.

Do you want the spot over your head? Well, that'll be 50 bucks. Yeah. I mean, they're already look at how they're already like turning like economy into like medieval torture. charge for like that i know you want the spot over your head well that'll be 50 bucks yeah i mean they're already look at how they're already like turning like economy into like medieval torture seats too yeah like to only incentivize you're like well i mean you can get i mean we have economy plus then we have premium economy then we got business then we got first and then we got baller class like it like i feel so many times just like someone who's like over six feet tall like i have

there's only there's a few seats that I must sit in so I don't have a terrible fucking time on a plane. Not to say that it's awful all the way through, but when I get in the economy seat sometimes, I'm like, they are really trying to fuck with me now. They're really trying to fuck with me. I feel like I have to spend more.

It is crazy that they don't have the... Like, you're booking a seat for you and an area for your luggage. Like it, honestly, it's like shocking. Someone's thought of that somewhere. For sure. Like that's in the business plan somewhere. Absolutely. I mean, because it's already half sort of

built into like a lot of the, you know, budget airlines when really it's like it's budget if you just bring a hoodie like that you're wearing on board. Anything else that resembles a bag, now you're looking at charges and things like that. But yeah, I'm surprised. I can see how...

I wonder if they've maybe just done enough market research where they're like, most people are on team, yeah, whatever, fucking get it in wherever you can versus the people who are like, I would pay more to own the empty plastic box above my head.

100%. Yeah. That's the only thing keeping us back are that we are in the majority, us that believe it is Lord of the Flies. We need to make a stand and make sure this never changes for sure. Yeah.

And I need my inhaler for my asthma, as Piggy said in Lord of the Flies. I guess they only... I mean, I'm sure there's... I mean, not I'm sure. There's obvious ways to regulate this, but that does open the window to the asshole who simply buys out just the luggage space of the whole party. Sorry, I paid for six carry-on bags. That's fine.

I'm sorry. I need this to be empty. Yeah. I want it to be empty. I get very nervous about other people's bags over my head. It's just a phobia I have. And so I paid $700 for the overhead space. Actually, there's no overhead space

in this entire flight. I bought it all. I bought it all, even the ones in first class. I know it's more than buying if I bought every seat in first class, it would have been cheaper than buying all the overhead bin space and sitting in economy. But what can I say? Just have a fear of bags falling on my head and anyone's head.

So I want to keep everyone safe. Yeah. So, yeah, let us know, Zyke gang, if you fall in any of these other categories of person. But I have a feeling I think it's like to your point. We all we all agree that it's like fuck the airlines. So there's a level of camaraderie when you're on the plane, which is like, yeah, I just get your shit on, man. We're all trying to go, uh,

until you have these like entitled weirdos out there. Sorry. Yeah. Well, no, Andrew, you have such a specific one. I can't really,

I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around it. Like I get, I do the same thing where I'm like, where the fuck in my mind, I'm going, where the fuck you think you get? But I'm sitting, you know,

and I'm just listening to my music waiting till i can physically stand up and leave but i'm just i i really want to know like i'm trying to pinpoint like what what it is about them like that is that you think they're stupid for trying to get there no no no stop them from doing it i think like what do you achieve how do you create balance in the universe by doing that i think they're selfish i think it's like why do you think? How do you create balance in the universe by doing that? I think they're selfish. I think it's like, why do you think you're more important than us? The analog, actually, speaking of how fucking horrible cars are, are the people that don't

merge for their exit. When there's a line at the exit, they go all the way up and then they just try to cut in. It's cutting. They're cutting. Wait, what do you mean? Oh, like, yeah, when you're on a freeway overchange? Yeah. It's like cutting of any kind. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. In my opinion, there is a line to get off the plane because the most efficient way, unfortunately, is front. You know, it goes out first. Okay. I agree with that because when I, you know, like living in the valley, commuting to the west side, the 101-405 interchange is chock full of these cutter

motherfuckers yeah okay yes and i'm like why am i looking at the fucking time it takes and going there now look sometimes i do a thing i'm like i'm saying who's my mark today when i'm trying to cut because sometimes you can see like the accordion action of the fucking traffic and you're like hold on who who is it who is oh there you are and i just move your car over just a little so they can't get through yeah and then there are other times when i see the cutters come through watch me like i'll throw them open my doors like i used to do so i would do some shit like that to stop somebody from cutting i've since moved on with i know uh and i've learned that i i cannot control those things and to think that me cutting that person off will change that for the entire world is an act of futility.

But you know what, Dr. James? I'll do whatever the fuck I want to. Okay? Because sometimes I'm in a bad mood. That's it. But that's it. It's cutting is why. It's whatever energy you see someone cutting in line.

Just because the line isn't physically there in a plane, there is a line. I think we all hate cutters. Right? Yeah. Inbuilt from us as children. Yeah. Fuck a cutter. Because that's like yo no cutting i mean there's even like the you know chat and cut episode of curve where it's like we're just like yo bro we're waiting it's like cutting to what you know it's like cutting to just get off the plane like 30 seconds before somebody else like it it's almost

sort of pointless i don't care like it's not a big deal to me but it's sort of like what are you getting up for we're all like like i said you've been on the plane for two hours you can't wait oh my more minutes yeah my favorite is like the cutters when like they call people like okay now we're boarding group one or like we're about to whatever group and like i used to have like when i was fine a lot more i used to have like status that i would get in group one all the time and i remember man getting up this fucking white guy's older white guy he pulled up and he's like uh he's like i think group one's uh you know about to board he's like so you know it's group two and i was like i pulled out my boarding pass and i just went

i think you're in the wrong place and i was just like see this people cut her motherfuckers like you plus your little assumption that i'm not a group one like i'm not doing all this fucking business travel, too? Maybe that's it. It's that this, to me, has grown not out of a principle, but out of the reality of who actually does this shit. Because it's so often white guys that I just hate them so much. So I'm like, all I can do is stymie them. And that is my act of whatever but it takes that's how you bring

balance to the universe yeah but it takes a higher cost on me as you can tell yeah that it brings any joy or that's the hard thing about being the rule enforcer i feel like it's like yeah you're trying to bring justice to the universe but these guys don't give a shit they don't care yeah exacting a higher toll on you than they could ever care to even think about. They're like, what's your problem, pal? Yeah. Yeah. All right, pal.

And then I'm like, there's a line. Yeah. And then I think the whole plane starts cheering. And they're like, actually, you get off first. And Drew. Yeah. They actually carry you overhead and just put like a mosh pit

and bring you to the front of the plane. No, they carry me overhead. And it turns out there's a secret door out of that bin. Which is why you got to get the good bin seat. But then after this like roided out, like MAGA dude like beats the shit out of you. It's like that scene in Spider-Man where they're carrying him in a train.

They're like, carefully, he's a hero. I wasn't picturing a roided out MAGA dude. I'm just picturing a guy in like a polo shirt and khakis because that's usually who it is, right? Oh, that's who I see. Andrew also being like, you know what? Oh, I can really turn up with this motherfucker. No, unfortunately it's anyone. Well, good to know. Good to know. Oh man, Doug Gordon, thank you so much for joining us on the Daily Zeitgeist today, man. It was an absolute pleasure. Where can people find you, follow you, and more importantly, check out the podcast?

Yeah, so we're TheWarOnCars. You can go to TheWarOnCars.org. We are available wherever people get podcasts, you know, Apple Podcasts, all the different apps. And you can find us on social media, Instagram, Twitter, at TheWarOnCars. Fantastic. Is there a work of social media or tweet or something that you've been liking you want to shout out? Oh, man. So there was a tweet by this radio host in vancouver jill bennett uh it was a picture of a

dodge durango it was stuck on this yellow concrete barrier it's called a banana barrier if you want to get really like technical it's meant to slow down drivers as they approach intersections and there was this dodge just stuck on top and she she tweeted, hey, at city of Vancouver, this is the second incident I've seen caused by these useless slow streets. She put the quotes around it. Barricades installed last month. They don't slow down traffic. They cause crashes and traffic chaos. And she got ratioed.

Seven million views on this tweet. Twenty seven hundred quote tweets. I think like seven 000 replies or something it's what yeah it's so clear what this is meant to do which is like slow you want to drive in but right yellow but it's like what the fuck mother you think your durango is a fucking skateboard like eric costan and you're trying to board slide down that shit it it's clearly meant to funnel you so you drive slower. And the fact that it was a Dodge Durango, this thing that's advertised for people to go off-roading

and forging rivers and things like that, and you couldn't even navigate around a simple bright yellow traffic barrier, it was just like the chef's kiss of bad tweets. I would love if that was Jill Bennett's car. Yeah, that would be... She's like, hey, that would be. She's like, hey, this is absurd. Look at these people.

They're these poor victims that you're getting. Yeah. I would love if someone in the replies had a video of her doing it and then getting out all frustrated. And I'm like, this you? Someone runs the plates. I'm like, yeah. Andrew, thank you again, man, for joining me, guest hosting and bringing the magic. Where can people find you? And then what's some tweets that you like?

Oh, man. I think, as I said yesterday, you know, Tani and I have this, I don't know, premium service where we got all kinds of fun shows. It's optimopods.com. We're really enjoying that. And again, you know, get subscribed to that because i'll probably be doing a lot more of that shit when it's writers 23 and t coming soon yeah exactly yeah that's how you're gonna find out how to see that's a great podcast dude you sequenced the homies dna and then have them on for the results but i also have to make all kinds of excuses like okay so i think i fucked

this up but yeah here's what you just fuck with them yeah like dude you're you're you're complete no man you're completely i think i think you're you're scandinavian the quality will be low enough that i don't need to intentionally fuck with them um my my social media thing this is one of those like i i just want to make sure i credit everyone because it's one of those tweets that is a TikTok. So the tweet I saw was from someone called Black Boy Writes, and it also has 1.2 million views.

But the TikTok is underscore 50 shades of K1. Okay. And it's a TikTok called POV if the country's had a meeting. And it's a TikTok called POV If the Country's Had a Meeting. And it's just very like this black lady doing sort of like UN, but

very black TikTok-ish in a way. It's very funny. I won't spoil it. Alright, well we'll have that picked up in the footnotes for people when they are interested. You can find me at Miles of Grey on Twitter and Instagram. Check Jack and I out when he's around on Miles and Jack got mad boosties.

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