The Daily Zeitgeist - Andrew Cuo-motion For Me, Demonic Doll KILLS MAN?! 07.16.25

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

In episode 1897, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and co-host of The Bechdel Cast, Caitlin Durante, to discuss… Democrats Have A ‘New’ Strategy Going Into The Midterms, Andrew ...Cuomo Declares Intention To Win Mayoral Election In Spite Of Reality, Adult Man That Brings Haunted Doll Around On Tour Died Mysteriously…, Big-Ass Mars Rock Is Going Up For Auction and more! Democrats Have A ‘New’ Strategy Going Into The Midterms From cringe to catharsis, Democrats keep cussing Andrew Cuomo Declares Intention To Win Mayoral Election In Spite Of Reality In it to win it. (CLIP) Adult Man That Brings Haunted Doll Around On Tour Died Mysteriously… Big-Ass Mars Rock Is Going Up For Auction LISTEN: Dystopia by Roi TurboSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Here comes the men in black. Is this the second day in row we're talking about men in black? The boys in blue. Boys in blue, men in black. In black. The man in yellow. Also an op. Does the man in the yellow hat, does a cab include him?
Starting point is 00:00:22 Is he a cop? No, but I don't know. Just got cop energy. So he's trying to fuck up George's good time. Well, sure. He does seem to be wearing a uniform. He's a uniformed officer of some law. I don't know if it's the law, but.
Starting point is 00:00:39 Monkey law. Is he like, well, who is he to George? I think like adoptive parent slash owner. See, I don't like that. See, I don't like that at all. That does make that does put him in that a cab category. If you're just there to be like, yo, that's my, that's my boy. Curious George.
Starting point is 00:00:58 I'm here to facilitate his curiosity. That's one thing. That'd be nice. He's really far down on the autoompletes when you do man in the You got the iron mask the man in the moon cast long before Man in the box lyrics. I don't you know the fuck that is as he sees him. He's George's owner. Oh But he sees himself as more of a father, you know what? Thank you.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Like he's on so far. Did he was he like in Africa and then took George away? Yikes, maybe that that feels very likely, Miles. That feels very likely. And then he never changed. He's just wearing like those like so like, you know, like he like he'd be wearing He's just wearing like those like, so like, you know, like he like, he'd be wearing diapers and like, I just, uh, George is caught by the man with the yellow hat and taken from Africa to America where the two men yellow hat cap.
Starting point is 00:01:55 You're right. Yeah. Also his hat is, uh, looks like a banana on purpose. I would assume like he's trying to do some like psychological shit to George To be like hey over here. You like me. We're friends. Luring him in Wow, we really blew this wide open. We cracked this case wide open The man using his large yellow straw hat as a trap captures George. George tries on the hat Here's his vision allowing the man to easily put him in a bag. Are you fucking in a bag?
Starting point is 00:02:26 You couldn't even get a cage for your boy. That's crazy Fuck out of here like a burglar style He abducted his ass a hamburger And trafficked him back to the US Jesus Christ. No, no, no, no. We're not doing that. I mean, every day we're going to reveal a new the man in black, the man in the yellow, a new the man who A-Cab includes. This is an iHeart Podcast.
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Starting point is 00:04:13 On the new podcast, America's Crime Lab, every case has a story to tell, and the DNA holds the truth. He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen, I was just like, gotcha. This technology is already solving so many cases. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jeff Perlman. And I'm Rick Jervis. We're journalists and hosts of the podcast, Finding Sexy Sweat. At an internship in 1993, we roomed with Reggie Payne, aspiring reporter and rapper who went by Sexy Sweat. A couple of years ago, we set out to find him. But in 2020, Reggie fell into a coma after police pinned him down and he never woke up.
Starting point is 00:04:54 But then I see, my son's not moving. So we started digging and uncovered city officials bent on protecting their own. Listen to Finding Sexy Sweat on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello the internet and welcome to season 397, episode three of Dirty Daily Zeitgeist. Yeah!
Starting point is 00:05:16 It's a production of iHeartRadio's podcast where we take a deep dive into American shared consciousness, cared-saunches-ness. That's a fun one to switch, cared-saunches-ness. Yeah. It's Wednesday, July 16 cared, consciousness. That's a fun one to switch. Cared, consciousness. Yeah, it's Wednesday, July 16th, 20, 25. There it is. What day is it today? Hey, guess what?
Starting point is 00:05:33 It's corn fritters day, national personal chef day. Wow. Shout out. Shout out to everyone. National au pairs day. National. Exactly. National French au pair day. National actually tip your driver day. I know it's customary for us not to tip our drivers. National chauffeur day, national butler day, national weed roller in your entourage day,
Starting point is 00:06:02 national, and it was national hot dog day, which does feel a little bit like why am I here and not Jamie love this what the fuck I'm sorry we I mean national hot dog day is fucking July 4th yeah yeah yeah yeah the don't want to be here we if that was a way or three saying you didn't want to be here yeah I'm gonna go. Caitlin does try to start off every episode by saying, why am I here? Usually they just mumble it under their breath. Well, yeah. God damn it, why am I here?
Starting point is 00:06:34 Oh, Lauren. Keep making the same fucking mistakes over and over again, Caitlin. Oh, Jack froze. I froze. He's back. I mean, to me, you guys froze. Oh, okay. Wow, it's all about perception. He's back. I mean, to me, you guys froze. Oh, okay. You're right.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Wow, it's all about who's in it. You know? Who's holding who? That's what the phrase was originally about. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien, aka, oh baby you, you hang with Epstein, but you say he's not a friend, and you say he's not a friend and you say he's not a friend Oh Donald that one courtesy of booty studio on the discord Maybe a new aka writer booty studio. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host
Starting point is 00:07:19 Mr. Miles gray Great, okay, underlay underlay daddy AI AI. Oh, who's parenting now? Shout out new Chris on the discord for that one. You do. Do we do that one? I don't know. I'm good. If not, you did a one, you did an AI one yesterday.
Starting point is 00:07:37 That was American American pie. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. There's so much, you know, that was a song and not just a movie. I only knew it from the movie. Wait, Peru?
Starting point is 00:07:47 No. It's the theme song to American Pie, right? It's my favorite movie too. No, right. But that song came out as the theme song for the movie American Pie. Yeah. Yeah. With like a fun, I think it was performed by Limp Biscuit.
Starting point is 00:08:02 Jesus Christ. Can you imagine that? Madonna did the big remix to American Pie, which was just singing American Pie. Wasn't that for, wait, what was that for? The Austin Powers song, soundtrack? God, I don't even
Starting point is 00:08:20 know what I'm doing anymore. Forget it. Just leave me alone, guys. What am I doing here? Our guest mutters under their breath. We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very talented writer, standup comedian, cohost of the Bechdel cast, one of the great film podcasts. Go, go listen to the Bechdel cast right after you get done with this one. Put it next in your queue. They also happen to have a master's degree in film.
Starting point is 00:08:43 Uh, they also happen to have the most anagrammable name in the English language. So if you've been given their name in a jumble of out of order, Scrabble tiles, you may know them as Lauren D Titanic. Yeah. Or nine tit Dracula. Mm-hmm. Or Latin dancer, UTI. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:09:00 But to us, they will always be. Caitlin Durante! Caitlin Durante! Wee woo, wee woo always be, Caitlin Durante! Caitlin Durante! Wee woo, wee woo. Wait, I have a song. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:09:09 Spell my name, spell my name. You can spell it shady. Ain't calling me Katie. My letters all can change. Spell my name, spell my name. That's courtesy of Sarah Hunt on Instagram. That was beautifully written, beautifully performed. Well, thank you.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Any new anagrams that have popped up since last? We really know. We've kind of been. Critical mass on this. No. Not at all. Yeah. Why am I even here?
Starting point is 00:09:43 I mean, maybe if we open up to other languages. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Why am I even here? I mean, like maybe if we open up to other languages. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Oh, well, yeah, true. Yeah. Let me work on that. There are other languages, it turns out. I'm still, I'm a bit dubious about that, but it turns out they might be talking other
Starting point is 00:09:58 things in English outside of here. Nah. Caitlin, great to have you back. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about. The Democrats have a new strategy going into the midterms, which is it's reminiscent of Mike King. Tease it out, man.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Yeah. Reminiscent of Mike King. I'll just say that, that we talked about on yesterday's episode. Head in the sand ass up. That's the way I like to fuck. That's that seems to be their political strategy also. So we'll talk about that because Andrew Cuomo is back in the mayoral race. So yeah, we're going to talk about that. And we got we got spooky doll news. You know, it's, it's in the zeitgeist. Labooboo dolls are out here. They are popular.
Starting point is 00:10:49 They are haunting. Yes. And the number one, maybe the Michael Jordan of haunted dolls is added again, unfortunately, like has maybe taken a real life. Yeah. We'll talk about that. Maybe this big ass Mars rock that I just want to talk about because the picture that is up on the Sotheby's auction website
Starting point is 00:11:12 is so weirdly intimate. Anyway, all of that, plenty more. But first, Caitlin, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? So I googled do people like the Star Wars prequels now just fully the sentence Siri do like Caitlin I'm noting from Tony your voice that you seem skeptical. I was, yes.
Starting point is 00:11:48 And it turns out they do. This has been coming up. Do you? Like people, they're having a resurgence. The tide is turning. Really? It's funny, the first, the first we do, do people like the Star Wars, the autocomplete is prequels now? Not just prequels, but prequels now.
Starting point is 00:12:12 There is some shade in the Google suggestion. Like, wait, do people actually like this shit now? And they do. I mean, obviously not like that's a generalization, but like the tide has really turned on these damn movies. And so I don't know, I guess I have to revisit them. I'm going to re-watch them. So I would say then that my nine-year-old went through a very heavy Star Wars phase. And his taste is completely like indecipherable to me. Like it doesn't make any sense.
Starting point is 00:12:53 His favorite is the rise of Skywalker, like nine. The real bad, like the one that like, even the people you're talking about are like, what, like that one sucked. Like his favorite is The Knights. He really likes the prequels. Like, so it's just, I feel like it's these movies hitting people's brains when they're children. Exactly. Yeah. I think the people, one of the reasons that the kind of
Starting point is 00:13:23 perception of these movies has shifted is that, you know, people who grew up with these movies, who were kids when they came out, because I was like, 99, Phantom Menace, I was 13. And I was, so I was like, I don't know, old enough to be like, this fucking sucks. I gotta go to my shift at Lids later. Even people who are like four years or less younger than me are like, no, those were like my childhood Star Wars movies. And so, and those people are now full adults in their 30s. Right.
Starting point is 00:14:04 So they're talking, they're saying things on the internet. And so people like these movies now, and I don't know how to contend with that exactly. And when taken as a whole, like the original trilogy also, like it has some cachet from having been seen by a lot of people when they were children. And so like a lot of the shit that was like similarly silly, like doesn't necessarily, you know, it's just, it's just a totally different context to see the movies when every one of the nine movies was made before you were born. Like when something's made before you're born, it's just like an old movie.
Starting point is 00:14:45 It's like, oh, those are the nine old movies that are all equally old, essentially. Right. And then I did grow up with the original trilogy, even though they also came out before I was born. But my favorite one as a kid was Return of the Jedi because it had Ewoks in it. Yeah. Exactly. Peter in it. Yeah. Exactly. Look at this huge line.
Starting point is 00:15:07 Yeah. Oh, yeah. I just love the speeder bikes. I was like, yeah, bro, this one's for me. Those, yeah. I just want to go reckless. Back to the Future with my kids this weekend, they had not seen it. I was just realizing how confusing It must be that because like the present day in that movie is longer ago than the fifties were at the time that they like went back in time. So for my kid, like it's
Starting point is 00:15:36 like finding out for me that Greece was not about the present day. Greece was like about the fifties. Like when I was a kid, I was like, wait, what? I thought that that was just a movie that was made at the time that it came out. Everything passed a certain point is just old when you're a kid. You're just like, I don't know, man. Yeah. For me, I was either what? I was 15 when the prequel trilogy came out and I was like, I was kind of in the same thing.
Starting point is 00:16:06 I don't know. This shit sucks. But I like Darth Maul's dual sided lightsaber. But again, I think that also the one benefit is at least that one has it's like a little more coherent than the the sequel trilogy, like seven, eight, nine. Yes, because you can tell George Lucas is like, this is what the fuck I'm on. This is what I'm trying to do. It does benefit from that.
Starting point is 00:16:31 But I don't know, I guess for me, I think it just depends on when you entered, Star Wars entered your consciousness and you just hold on to those. I have the most deference for the original trilogy. But I don't know, every time I watch them, I'm like, that's a good line from Obi-Wan to Darth Vader or to Anakin. That's what the prequels have. But I guess I'm not as mad as when I was 15.
Starting point is 00:16:56 I feel like you could cut the prequel trilogy into a really good individual movie. Just one singular movie. There's really cool parts. Even in the second one, which has that like diner scene that is like, what the fuck is happening? Or it's like a cartoon character is like, hey, how's it going? And just like they spend the whole time with this really weird computer animation. There's also like a scene in there where he like jumps out of a like
Starting point is 00:17:26 flying car and like flies down like the like is fucking cool I remember seeing that as like a young adult and being like that's it's a lot of fun like I was to jaded by 9-eleven at that point oh yeah attack of the clones came out in 2002 man I can blame it all on 9-eleven. Yeah, but I might have to I might have to what is something you think is underrated? Caitlin this is very specific and local to Southern, California, but not Sberry farm not
Starting point is 00:17:56 Yep, people are like, oh Disneyland. Oh Universal, but you're not saying Magic Mountain You know, I've only been there once. Well, I've only also been to Fox Berry Farm once, but it blew me away. Wow. Yeah. It's and I love it. It's great. Yeah. It's cheap to go.
Starting point is 00:18:19 It's I don't know. The rides are really good. I think better than the rides at Disney and Universal Wow Really? Okay. What do they have like roller coasters for grownups? Mm-hmm Like six of them really I need to go there. This is being vastly underrated by me. You've never been Oh, you never been I've never been in Osbury farm Oh, no, it's scary Turn you upside down and inside out.
Starting point is 00:18:45 But to show you folks what this park's about, they got it all there. And they've got good food. My grandparents not fucking joking. We would drive down from L.A. to Buena Park to eat the fucking fried chicken at Knott's Berry Farm. Really? I just found out about this. My grand dinner. Do my grandpa was hooked on the fucking, like, what's their, what's their berry? A boysenberry, I think, is like the Knott's Berry, like of the Berry Farm.
Starting point is 00:19:12 It's like their main berry. Boysenberry, everything. He would get two pies and bring that shit home. I remember all of them. I remember there were a few times my grandpa was like, we're going to Knott's Berry Farm. And my cousin and I were like, yay! To eat fried chicken
Starting point is 00:19:27 And then i'm like what people ride the rides. Yeah it was like Torture because you could go to this restaurant like that's not like you don't have to enter the park to eat But we would fucking go there all the time. This is a common thing. I was talking about this in my screenwriting class But two of my students either grew up in or now live in Or like, you know spent part of their childhood doing this very thing where they would go to Knott's Berry farm Not enter the park, but they would go with their family for the chicken dinner. Yep, and then go back home That's how you know, that's how you know, you're you've been here for a minute or your family just
Starting point is 00:20:09 fucking will not like the ends of the earth. We would go for food. Like with my grandparents was wild, but what are we talking? Uh, wait time on the rides. Are they like, is it a. So I went on a Friday in mid May right before my birthday. Uh, it was a little birthday treat to myself and it was very reasonable.
Starting point is 00:20:29 Like some of the rides were, uh, the lines were like as short as 10 or 15 minutes. I think the longest we waited was a half hour for like a big exciting roller. Cause like, it's very manageable. It's not too crowded. Yeah. It's, it's great. I'm fucking up. It's like, it's very manageable. It's not too crowded. Yeah. It's, it's great. I'm fucking season pass is a hundred dollars, an annual pass.
Starting point is 00:20:50 And you could go every single day. If you're every day Jack for a hundred dollars, you could be feeding your kids straight up fried chicken and boysenberry pie. Okay. That sounds great. This is a hugely impactful underrated for me. So they also have a festival too. Have you been to the, they have a food festival there. They got like for me So they also have a festival too. Have you been to the they have a food festival there? They got like a boy like they have a berry festival. I remember going once damn. Well, I went during like the boys and berry time
Starting point is 00:21:18 Oh, yeah, because me. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's around that time. Yeah What a great theme for a amusement park. That's very not. Yeah. Not movie IP. We're going to a Berry. We have those. We have a Berry. It's like that plus like Snoopy. Yeah. Yeah. Characters.
Starting point is 00:21:33 Okay. Yeah. All right. Not very far. Yeah. And then the Halloween one is not scary farm. Exactly. Don't go to that's demonic.
Starting point is 00:21:43 Do not fucking go. And then they also have the like holiday season one is not Mary farm. Wait, also demonic. Yeah. Not about do not go. Yeah. My house is a children's souls with selective selective Jehovah's witness because I do like a party.
Starting point is 00:22:03 You know, I can't go full Jehovah's Witnesses because you can't party. And during Notts Scary and Notts Merry Farm, all berries are completely eradicated from the premises, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. It's no longer a berry farm. It's just a scary, scary farm. What is something, Caitlin, do you think's overrated?
Starting point is 00:22:21 Summer. Oh, it's not, we're not even having our, you know, like a Earth death heat wave like normal summers and you're still over it. And yet? And yet. It's hot. It's hot freaking everywhere you go in the damn country. Sometimes it's humid too.
Starting point is 00:22:38 Oh yeah, you're traveling more than me right now. Everyone's like, summer's the best. Summer's great. I love summer. But why? It's, it's, I don't, summer's great, I love summer. But why? It's, it's, I just get depressed during the summer. I don't want to do anything because it's too hot. I think every summer when you're on, you say that summer is overrated.
Starting point is 00:22:57 I feel like- Have I said this before? No, I mean, I just feel like this is very fit. Not this summer. So, we need confirmation it's still under, or over still under or over. I haven't announced it yet. Still sucks. I'm like Punxsutawney Phil for summer sucking. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:11 I come out, go, yep, this shit sucks. Don't bother me next year. I'm your head out. Yeah. Wait, so I mean, wait, it's not that, were you, did you go somewhere particularly hot recently because I don't feel like LA has been really that hot. No, it's, I, but I can really only function when it's 72 degrees or cooler. Actually between like 65 and 72 is where I really thrive.
Starting point is 00:23:42 So 64 and under 73 and over, absolute disaster for you. Too extreme. Got it. Okay. You really can only live in this place. You can only live in Los Angeles and for five months out of the year. November. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:59 But in November, you thrive. Thriving. All right. Well, it's good to get that update. The summer still sucks. Yeah. The East Coast is, shout out to the people on the East Coast, man, who are listeners on the East Coast. Shout out.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Dude, the Lord be with you on the East Coast. The Lord be with you and with your spirit. Yeah. My wife just came back from Pittsburgh and keeps being like, it's cold here because of how fucking hot she was the whole time. It was so unbearably hot. I think the other thing too, I was reading just about how much more they've had to educate people in a lot of these parts of the country that don't get these fucked up heat waves to be like,
Starting point is 00:24:40 yo, you got to be careful when we're going to triple digits this consistently. He killed. Yeah, for real. He is the number one. Yeah, we should probably do that story that we do every year, like once a year being like, and he is killing people. It's killing people, yes. All right, let's take a quick break.
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Starting point is 00:28:21 The summer of 1993 was one of the best of my life. I'm journalist Jeff Perlman The summer of 1993 was one of the best of my life. I'm journalist Jeff Perlman, and this is Rick Jervis. Rick Jervis We were interns at the Nashville Tennessean, but the most unforgettable part? Our roommate, Reggie Payne, from Oakley, sports editor and aspiring rapper. Jeff Perlman And his stage name? Sexy Sweat. In 2020, I had a simple idea. Let's find Reggie. We searched everywhere, but Reggie was gone.
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Starting point is 00:29:30 And we've been waiting to see what the Democrats would still wait from these past couple months. Yeah. Specifically, I've been, I don't know, hopeful that, you know, what, what we saw from like the pod save America guys and the abundance guys being like, I guess we had to get behind the Zorin guy, there seems to be a lot of energy there that that would like spread to the rest of the democratic party. And they'd be like, I guess maybe this is the future.
Starting point is 00:30:01 The thing that was the most successful thing our party has ever done and gave us the most popular president in the history of our party. They would take credit for Zorin, even though his boss had nothing to do with the DNC and be like, I mean, this is the best thing we've ever done. Yeah. It feels like they're trying to tie it off like a tourniquet after a venomous bite. Yes, like a gangrenous, they're like, we got to cut it off, a, like a tourniquet after like a venomous fight. Like a gangrenous, they're like, you gotta cut it off, man. Don't let it fucking spread to the arteries.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Yeah. So people are talking, there's been a lot of articles that are about the new strategy from the Democrats going into the midterm. What we looking at, Miles? Democratic socialism? It's a little, it's a lot of fighting it and it's a lot of, Hey, what about this other thing that we always do, but let's describe it in a new way. And there have been a lot of, because right now they're doing it to hear about this new description. Oh yeah. They're, they're doing a ton of ad buys for August.
Starting point is 00:30:55 They're saying, guess what? August, 2025, we officially kick off midterms election season with our new strategy and that strategy is, um, well, it's sort of like a new thing. Actually, I mean, there really is no consensus. If you really bother to read like the articles and not just take the Democrats, like the Democrats new bold strategy for 2026, like those headlines at face value. Um, one issue that is consistent is that the party continues to just be reactive. Like, like one thing was like, well, now the big beautiful bill has been passed. Now it's really about getting out there and letting Americans know how
Starting point is 00:31:33 bad the big beautiful bill is. It's like, hold on. How fucked they are. What about, I mean, we know you really, you, you, you did, you did try a little bit to try and prevent the passage of it. I don't know if that's necessarily been like, ah, we got something now, which again is their favorite strategy, which is to be like, well, we're not this thing. Others have talked about how it's time to clean house and get the elderly the fuck out of here, which I think is a, it's not necessarily
Starting point is 00:32:03 a real strategy in terms of getting wins, but it's good for the long-term health of any kind of opposition party. So for example, right, the big, beautiful bill passed just with a 218 to 214 vote. Okay. The Democrats had three members die in office this last year. Jesus Christ. And Jerry Connolly, Rahul Grijalva, and Sylvester Turner. That would have at least cut the margin to one vote.
Starting point is 00:32:30 Although it may not have ultimately changed the outcome of the vote, but the fact that it could have been closer were it not for our unnecessary deference to the OGs in the party is, I think, frustrating. Oh, and hey, here's a really cool idea. Tell me if you guys think this is a really good idea from the DNC. Quote, Katelyn, I'm so excited. I feel like this is going to be the one.
Starting point is 00:32:49 This is for Katelyn. This is going to be a good idea. Someone who got their heads in like narrative structure, just the ebb and flow of a story. Quote, there is a growing sense among Democrats that it's not sufficient to try to defend or reclaim the ground loss to the GOP, that the party needs to have a proactive disposition as well. Go on. In one such effort to create an alternative to the Republican agenda, national Democrats are devising project 2029, which in its nascent stages appears to be just a title and a brain trust of establishment Democrats
Starting point is 00:33:23 without a clear platform. So it's like take the thing that the Nazi guys just did. Yeah. And only the title. Yeah. And then be like, and we're not sure from there, but we do love their gumption. This is where their brains are at.
Starting point is 00:33:52 It's just purely like, it's kind of like, what if we had a Death Star? It's like, well, they already have the Death Star and they're bringing up planets with it. So you're a little late to what if we had a Death Star? You kind of need to get ahead of it. What if we had a Death Star, but the exhaust port was way bigger? What if we had even a worse vulnerability in our Death Star than theirs? How about that one? The other new attitude Dems tactic that I've seen repeatedly.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Are they going to do extreme sports? No. Are they just going to start adding Xs to the beginning? In a way, they are just going to swear more. I got a new attitude. I got it. And by that I mean, fuck. I just said fuck guys.
Starting point is 00:34:33 You hear that? Or are they saying fuck? Yeah. So we've seen it ramp up in this, like since Trump has gotten in office, Tammy Duckworth called Pete Hegseth a fucking liar. Eric Swalwell has described the current regime as a fucking dictatorship. Yeah. Gavin Newsom was just on this Sean Ryan podcast and called Joe Rogan a motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:34:56 A motherfucker. But then he then, he then immediately followed it up with, I'm the biggest Joe Rogan fan, actually, it was the saddest shit. The way he's, cause this guy, Sean Ryan, it's like a military sort of like, you know, Gavin Newsom is trying to be like, Hey, I can also be a Republican. If you guys are into it. That is the way to get the nomination. Not the votes, but to get the nomination, you just run as a Republican, but with
Starting point is 00:35:23 the name Democrat next to your name. It's actually, I actually should play it because it's so fucking pathetic how he like backtracks. I'm talking like a new Democrat now saying fuck. Yeah, well, cause he goes, so this, you know, the host is like, Hey, I get questions from people. Like I posted a picture that we were together. So I, you know, I fielded some questions from some of the listeners,
Starting point is 00:35:46 and I got one from Joe Rogan. Gavin's like, he's like, I'm a motherfucker, trying to be like, that son of a bitch, but then he's like, no, I like him. I really like him actually. He's actually my best friend. Yeah. It's like, dude, shut the fuck up. Again, this is part of their, I don't know, he's edgy,
Starting point is 00:36:03 but this is Gavin Newsom's response to hearing about Joe Rogan. What do you got? Joe Rogan texted me. Motherfucker, Joe, I loved it. By the way, I'm a Joe Rogan fan. He ain't a fan of mine, but I'm a Joe Rogan fan. No bullshit. Right on.
Starting point is 00:36:20 And I feel like it's a decade back in the day before Joe was Joe Rogan You are such a fucking liar Gavin Newsom, bro. You can't even believably sound like a shithead Back in the day When he was on fear factor He wasn't, he didn't even know that. That's what he's talking about. He's like, you have enough knowledge. He's like, I don't really like this fear factor word.
Starting point is 00:36:46 And he said, well, it feels like a decade. It's like, I'm sorry. Do you think that's, okay, sure. I'm sure. Fucking news radio when he had a nice full head of hair. Yeah. And then, then like, you know, the question from Joe Rogan's like, why did you hurt my feelings with your lockdowns and make me move to Austin that,
Starting point is 00:37:01 that now I hate and all the comedians that I've made to move here also hate it here. So what, that's your fault. But anyway. Is Gavin Newsom going to the same voice coach as RFK Jr.? His voice is real gravelly. Was he? Yeah. He might be just, that might be an affect when he's talking to alpha men, you know, on their podcast. He's like, yeah. Cargill with buttermilk before going on your Manosphere podcast.
Starting point is 00:37:26 I just deep throwed a nerd's rope and then I just rip it out. Like you're starting a lawnmower? Yeah. Yeah, dude. Now I'm ready to go on my Manosphere podcast. One of the nerds is stuck in my tonsil. I like just using a nerd rope as like a tool. Like a pipe cleaner?
Starting point is 00:37:44 Yeah, pipe cleaner. Fly catcher. I like using a nerd rope as like a tool cleaner Fly catcher, you know Floss with nerd yeah throat flossing with nerd ropes But anyway, so I mean, yeah, this is this is where this is the current sort of excitement level Which is to you know talk say talk, say the F word out loud, not really doing it. Hakeem Jeffries was like, you know, I'm looking forward to being able to work with Republicans to make this kind of, he's still saying some version of like, I want to, I want to fully
Starting point is 00:38:16 embrace the plutonium rod that is radioactively killing my body. That's the solution to this. Like he's not even, he's not even willing to change gears on this, like unified America thing. It's like, these people will fucking have you arrested for nothing. But how, the fact that their takeaway is not more like Zoran in every way is like, that's all you need to know about this democratic party. Like they have the blueprint.
Starting point is 00:38:46 They, they're saying we need a proactive agenda right after guy with proactive agenda just shocked them and like their preferred candidate. And they skip over the proactive agenda that he used to just be like, maybe we should say, fuck more. I don't know. Like we're completely without ideas. They have to, I mean, they can't.
Starting point is 00:39:13 It's so, it's just, it's never going to happen with these people. It's the closest going. They have like, this is the clearest it's ever been made for them. Yeah. Ever. God, if there was just a way that we could get some excitement back in the party after losing so many younger people and voters of color, Zoram Umdani with historic win in democratic primary, God, if there was just something
Starting point is 00:39:39 to capture the hearts and minds of a disaffected populace. My God. But yeah, I mean, again, everything he says is offensive to their donor base, which because they just rely so much on Wall Street and industrial, just full-on captains of industry and these large donors that yeah. Anything that reads as- They are an instrument of that industry. They are an instrument of the hypernormalization industry. And that's all it is. It's never been clearer to me that they just cannot do
Starting point is 00:40:15 anything besides what they've been doing up to this point, unless they're all soundly defeated in elections. That's the only way for it to happen. And that's why you're getting a lot of now articles that are kind of fear-mongering, sort of like older Democratic voters about like this new crop of young candidates that's coming out that are like, they're not afraid to change up the rules. And by that they mean like they've grown up in poverty and see no way that the country is getting better for them. And they've been inspired to action by running and running on policies that they feel will actually change people's lives.
Starting point is 00:40:51 But they're just like, where do these kids get off? Another TikToker. And so, I mean, in line with that, because a lot of the mainstream Democrats were like in the aftermath of the Zoramamdani win, were like, what do we, where do we go from here? Like after four days, they're like, we're going to work with him if he wins, essentially. Like that was the most that they were willing to get in line. But behind the scenes, there was all this reporting of people being like, what are you, what the fuck are you going to do, man? Like you can't let this guy win. And then being like, we have a plan.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Oh, yes, we've got someone. We know a guy and don't worry. They're like, we just need like an all-star to come in here and like beat him. And they were like, yeah, we got an under control. He's a closer. This guy is a closer. We call him the predator. Who do they have?
Starting point is 00:41:41 The very guy who just got his ass kicked by Zora Maldani, Andrew Cuomo, has just announced that he will run as an independent in the mayoral election. And he made the announcement via a social media video in which he takes selfies with people who are real and they are people. That's one thing. One thing is for sure is that these are people. They are real. They are real uncomfortable being in a photo with Andrew Cuomo. Just this, it's just wild to see the videos that Zorin puts out that are like relatable.
Starting point is 00:42:14 Hey, I'm a person. This is what I see. And this is what I would do if you like me. He's affable. He like gets, he's like, seems like an everyman. And then you get Andrew Cuomo who looks like he's like, I'm and this is what I would do if you like me. He's affable. He seems like an everyman. Then you get Andrew Cuomo who looks like he's like, I got to put on my poor people outfit and
Starting point is 00:42:32 rub elbows with the fucking dirt people now. The cosplaying is like a Rick Moranis character. He has a short sleeve dress shirt on, which is like cosplaying is like a poor scientist from an 80s movie or something. Or yeah, or he's like, I saw this documentary about people that play chess in the park in New York, and they all wear
Starting point is 00:42:51 these shirts. That's kind of his anyway, here's his announcement video that will, as with the caption, when he posted this on Twitter, in it to win it. Oh, let's see. Here we go. I'm Andrew Cuomo. Oh, and unless you've been living under a rock, you probably know that the democratic primary did not go the way I had hoped. Um, he doesn't sound okay. What is going on with him?
Starting point is 00:43:16 Is there something going on? I have people commented on that. And unless you've been living under a rock, you probably know that the democratic primary did not go the way I had hoped. No shade. Have people commented on that? And unless you've been living under a rock, you probably know that the democratic primary did not go the way I had hoped. No shade. This is what my grandfather sounded like after he had a stroke. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:32 It sounds like that. I don't, and I don't know if he has had, if something has happened. I know there was reporting that like, there seems to be like troubling signs of cognitive decline, but like that's, I hadn I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem.
Starting point is 00:43:49 I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem.
Starting point is 00:43:57 I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a problem. I'm not sure if that's a rock. Okay. Interesting. Go on. Okay. To the 440,000 New Yorkers who voted for me, a sincere thank you.
Starting point is 00:44:08 Thank you for believing in me, in my agenda and in my experience. He's giving like a double thumbs up. And I am truly sorry that I let you down. Okay. What is this? That is so strange. Why is it? It feels like a hostage video.
Starting point is 00:44:21 It feels like he's not okay. Yeah. He. Very strange. It's. He's giving like, it's like a hostage video. It feels like he's not okay. Yeah. He, it's, he's giving like, it's like real fuck boy energy where it's like, first of all, bro, you're missing the part where you're undesirable, but now you're trying to frame it as like, I'm so sorry. He wrote in the post, uh, he cited his grandfather's advice. When you get knocked down, learn the lesson and pick yourself back up and get in the game. Which I guess his grandfather was a founding member of Chumbawamba,
Starting point is 00:44:50 but also says, what lesson did he learn and come back and be like, and now I know the lesson seems to be socialism, like actually having proactive policies works, and that's like couldn't be further from anything that you could ever possibly do. The second lesson seems to be people not feeling you in any way. Not at all. Zorin fucking replied to this with his own contribution link, and he ratioed the fuck out of him.
Starting point is 00:45:27 This post from a Cuomo only had what? 5.1 thousand likes and I was like, yeah, here's my, here's my contribution. If you want to donate to my campaign, 164,000 likes on that reply on just the link. Bro, that shit. If, if Andrew Cuomo actually had anyone around him who was worth their weight and whatever bloated salary, he'd be like, bro, you got to pack it up. That like the boogeyman just popped out and people were like, yep. Mm hmm.
Starting point is 00:45:58 There. Yes, that one, please. Thank you. Please more of that. It's. He, because I think about the amount of money they spent on this video announcing that he was back and like the, um, the number of like hours in meetings, people spent crafting in it to win it as like his post and then Zora Mom, Donnie
Starting point is 00:46:20 literally just paste the fucking link, No words to his contributions page. And it gets like, that's gotta be so, so awesome. He probably doesn't even realize too. He's like, is this bad? Why is everyone laughing? Oh yeah, you've been ratioed. Oh, what does that mean? Do you like that?
Starting point is 00:46:41 Yeah, you've been ratioed. Oh, what does that mean? What's that? I mean, again, just the lack of like real support around Zorin as a candidate, it just also like forever dismiss these vote blue no matter who fucking creeps out of hand, like don't ever fucking talk. This shit is such a, I hate hearing that shit. I hate always like vote blue no matter who.
Starting point is 00:47:06 Okay. Sorry. Because who are those people voting for right now? Are they still voting blue? Are they voting Democrat? I don't know. They're suddenly going to get, they're going to be vote blue unless they are maybe socialists. In which case, vote blue as long as they're here for the status quo. And it said vote red.
Starting point is 00:47:26 Yeah, exactly. It didn't say vote pinko, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's just really fucking, anyway. It is wild. You've got the formula right in front of you, DNC, and yet here you are because you don't, I don't know how it's going to pull in certain states. Guess what? Everyone is struggling everywhere in this country.
Starting point is 00:47:44 So that shit is not going to pull. Okay. Maybe it doesn't pull on fucking Santa Monica, California, but don't worry about it. The city is much bigger than that places. So there are much more, guess what? There are more people who are in need than people who don't need. That's right.
Starting point is 00:47:58 And use that basic use that quick maths real quick. DNC. It really has never been cleared. It's just they, they can't do that. It's never like they, they've never had clear, a clear sign, a clear opportunity to be like, okay, we're going to get behind these politics. These, this is what's working. This is where the energy is.
Starting point is 00:48:16 And they're like, what if Cuomo again, run it back with the guy who like, is having trouble just... It's like, yeah, he's re... I don't know if it's just a total void of charisma and then he's been with so many different people teaching him how to try and talk in a way that people aren't creeped out by that now he sounds like someone who had to learn those words phonetically. Like, you know?
Starting point is 00:48:43 Like... He's never said, I'm sorry before. So it just sounds so labor. Just focus on the parts of the word, just make the sounds and then you'll get through this. Because otherwise your body rejects it. He started throwing up. I like how he just he also as if he's never heard that idiom,
Starting point is 00:49:01 like living under a rock. And you are living under a rock. A rock. Isn't it, isn't it Iraq? No. Oh, what? Oh, rock. Oh, rock.
Starting point is 00:49:15 What do you mean? How could you live under a rock? It's a metaphor. What the fuck? Are you okay? I'll tell you one person who lived under Iraq. That's what I'm saying. Hey, wow. We got, oh my God. What the fuck are you? I'll tell you one person who lived under Iraq. That's what I'm saying
Starting point is 00:49:27 Miles we got Ladies and gentlemen god way to bring up an old video Here we go, sorry out of out of nowhere reference are Ladies and gentlemen Okay, big moment on the internet for that one get the crab rave music out Caitlin if you're confused that is the video from when they announced that they found Saddam Hussein which is played anytime a football club gets like yeah arsenal whenever we sign a player, it's always like, we got them. All right.
Starting point is 00:50:10 Anyway, are you mouthing to yourself? What the fuck am I doing here again? Caitlin, I think I saw your. No, I'm following everything's normal. Everything's good. I feel great. This is great. Any tips for Andrew Cuomo?
Starting point is 00:50:26 How could he do better? Keep on keeping on. Yeah, right. Don't change a thing, kid. Yeah. You got this. He's in it to win it. You are, baby.
Starting point is 00:50:36 And it's going to work. And we feel it. We feel it. We absolutely feel it. And all those people who had to feign enthusiasm to take a picture with you. That was great. That's the lifeblood of a campaign feigned enthusiasm. It's like it is real invasion of the body snatcher shit, but like that metaphor is so old that like nobody uses it anymore. But like this is the most I've ever seen. Somebody seem like they've been replaced by a pod person.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Oh, right. he seemed like they've been replaced by a pod person. Like, he looks totally like not that he was like fucking Riz God before, but like, not really, I've never, I've just never seen a human seem more just like everything has been stolen from behind my eyes. This is why man, you know, it's just like, don't let these older people keep running for office. Right. Just don't.
Starting point is 00:51:27 I mean, they won't stop until. Yeah. And you know what, maybe that's. But we just got to keep beating them. Yeah, that's what it comes down to. Yeah. That I think that's the assignment of our times is just if an older person tries to step out, we need more younger people to just come out and be like, good, sit down.
Starting point is 00:51:42 You're fine. You're fine. We have to inherit this cursed earth, not you. And that's the assignment unless you've been living under a rock. Under a rock. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes.
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Starting point is 00:56:40 Yeah. Not everybody views them as haunting. Some people are like they're just like ugly, cute. But I will tell you, in the world of seventh, of seven-year-olds, they believe that they are actually haunted and tell stories about the boo-boos, like looking up and like making eye contact and moving without anybody touching them. But anyways, so we were talking about that and maybe connecting it to our obsession with haunted dolls.
Starting point is 00:57:10 Yeah. Your Chucky's, your Annabelle's. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't bring this demonic presence into the show, Jack. I know. Yeah. We talk around it because Miles thinks that it's worth fighting. I'm wearing 17 crucifixes right now. If you say her name three times, she shows up.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Annabelle, Annabelle. I just have a panic attack and faint. I wonder if the name just felt like the popular. I'll be Googling that while we have this conversation. What? How popular the name Annabelle is. How popular Annabelle is, if it just fell off a cliff or if people, if it got more popular. I'll be Googling that while we have this conversation. What? How popular the name Hannibal is? How popular Hannibal is? Like if it just fell off a cliff or if people, if it like got more popular. I mean, well, I mean, it's definitely popular
Starting point is 00:57:51 because that haunted ass doll has been on a fucking international tour. Okay. As fans gather for their own chance, okay, to stand near a sewn together pile of cotton and yarn. And sadly, the latest stop on this tour in Gettysburg ended in tragedy. As the doll's owner or handler or lover, I don't know how, what the
Starting point is 00:58:16 relationship, I don't know how you describe if you're the person who parades Annabelle around the country. Just real quick, Caitlin, as a screenwriting expert, uh, the person who talks about a haunted doll and the way Miles is talking about a haunted doll, like being like, uh, it's just a pile of straw. I die first. Uh, yeah. What, what happens to that person later on?
Starting point is 00:58:40 Well, I see. Well, I see one of two outcomes. You're trying to freak me out. That was just a diversion for a later twist. A little red herring, if you will, where the twist is. He's actually the mastermind behind Annabelle. He's actually trying to profit off of it. So maybe he's the last to die because there's a scene where he's running out with Annabelle in a briefcase.
Starting point is 00:59:09 These fools didn't think I believed. And then- We do a Thelma and Louise ending in a convertible, me and Annabelle. Wow. Fuck it, babe. Let's go. Take me to the demon world. The cliche answer is, well, he's the first to die. Yeah, I'm glad that Jack and I revealed
Starting point is 00:59:28 how sort of idiotic we are in our thinking. And you actually had the much better idea, which is like, no, that's the diversion. That would be too predictable. That guy's Annabelle, actually. That guy is Annabelle. Miles is Annabelle. And Miles as Annabelle.
Starting point is 00:59:45 That's kind of the first thing you learn when you get a master's degree in screenwriting. I know, I know. Day one, it's, okay, you got Annabelle, you got the cast of characters around her. Exactly. I wasn't also saying I would die first because I'm the character of color here. I'm the black and Jannebius character. There's also that. There is that terrible stereotype also. Sorry, but I do just why I have an update because Annabelle's the name Annabelle was getting more and more popular throughout like 2010 2011
Starting point is 01:00:14 It was you know, it was in 2001 It was 350 11 all right. Well, we'll take it back to the year 2000, the year of the original Shrek. Right before 9-11. Uh, I think it's 2001. Oh, is it? Okay.
Starting point is 01:00:32 Yeah. Never forget. It was like 500. It was like the 500th most popular. Okay. By the year 2013, it had made its way along with another, uh, a number of other like popular old timey names. It was now number 81. 2014, it got up to number 57, most popular name in these United States.
Starting point is 01:00:58 And then it like, it's like an upward trajectory and then steep, like a Knott's Berry Farm roller coaster, just a steep drop. 92, 104, 118, 142. It is currently 350. Oh, fuck. 350th. Do you know what came out in the year 2013? What's the correlation? The original Conjuring movie.
Starting point is 01:01:23 That's where Annabelle first appears? I believe that's the origin of Annabelle. Or the. And that's where Annabelle first appears. I believe that's the first real cinematic depiction of Annabelle. Well, the guy who, I guess, had the doll, I don't even know how to describe it. Like I'm like, as if Annabelle, the Annabelle doll is a person. Dan Rivera, quote, the lead investigator for the New England Society for Psychic Research and a US Army veteran passed away unexpectedly Sunday during his visit to Gettysburg. Rivera was among the leading faces of the viral Devils on the Run Tour, in which Rivera and other members of the New England Society for Psychic Research
Starting point is 01:01:55 had brought the allegedly haunted doll Annabelle across the country. So the tour caused protests in some places where like literal couple of people voiced their displeasure with the demonic attraction. Rivera was about safety though. He did not want to compromise people's souls or their ability to be saved by Jesus Christ's salvation because he took necessary precautions to keep his marks safe. Quote, Rivera, who was mentored by famous paranormal investigator Lorraine Warren, told those gathered at the event about the steps he had taken to quote,
Starting point is 01:02:30 protect them from the doll, including the case housing the doll that Rivera had built himself. That case Rivera told the group he built with three crosses representing the Holy Trinity and is stained in a finish that contained holy water. Now, let me ask a question. I thought what was happening is that they were touring with the prop from the movies. Are they actually touring with- They got D. Is Annabelle the doll based on a real creepy doll?
Starting point is 01:03:03 You didn't know it was based on a true story, Caitlin. Oh, well now who's naive? No, I did know that, but I thought it was that they were like, look, it's our fun little friend from the movies and not the actual original. That didn't occur to me for some reason. It's the actual original, which is, I think, probably disappointing to people because the movie version is like a creepy, like they were like,
Starting point is 01:03:29 here, prop designer, like genius, you know, best prop designer in the world, design a creepy looking doll, and they did that, and the doll's scary looking. The real doll is just a Raggedy Ann. A Raggedy Ann doll. Yeah, it's just a Raggedy Ann doll. So people like line up and then they're like, look at a raggedy ant doll. One of hundreds that they've probably seen in their lives. Yeah. Just in a box.
Starting point is 01:03:54 They're like, but this one kills people. And so is that how the handler died? Is that what we're to believe? We don't know. Brilliant work of marketing. But they've been doing a lot of like, oh, they're like even before this, right? This is from Wikipedia quote,
Starting point is 01:04:13 in May, 2025 reports online alleged that the Annabelle doll had disappeared. But in reality, it was a bit of viral marketing for a tour presented by Devils on the run showcasing the items from the Warren's Occult Museum. How far would they go to market this tour? Jesus. The doll was never missing, said Tony Sparrow, the director of the New England.
Starting point is 01:04:34 The group behind is like, we may be eluded that the doll was gone. No, the doll was never missing. But come on out to the Gettysburg orphanage to see the doll in person. But again, we don't know how this guy passed away. It seemed like just that night he seemed very much healthy and outgoing and vital. But kept saying, you fools paying money to see this pile of straw and hay. Sewed together.
Starting point is 01:05:03 I'll never die. I'm going to live forever. Ha ha ha ha. Sewed together pile of cotton and yarn. I'll never die. Ha. I'm going to live forever. I'll live forever. He's quoted as saying. I'm in it to win it. I will live forever. By the way, I do have an update to the timeline. So while the original Conjuring movie came out in 2013, which was the year before the
Starting point is 01:05:23 name peaked, the name peaked in 2014, which is when the first movie titled Annabelle came out. The first sequel in the Conjuring universe. And then it began plummeting like a stone. So that's, I think people are believing in haunted dolls is what I'm getting here. Well, I mean, how could you not be compelled by the demonic power of it when it's in this weird birdhouse? I just found a picture of the case. It looks like a birdhouse with a cruise like a cross on it Maybe let's say me live in that like there is no room to just like kind of move around And I gotta say this feels a little low budget like fear-mongering here where it's like okay you found a wooden bird
Starting point is 01:06:13 house and then you just put a bathomet sticker like on it and you're like oh boy shit laying around it like they just like have sticker on it. Also, there's just like shit laying around it. They just have it on, it just looks like it's in the corner of a gymnasium. There's rags and stuff on the ground behind it. The presentation leaves a lot to be desired. This isn't a tour sponsored by one of the big companies. It's an indie tour, so you're going to have to please ignore the loose rags and
Starting point is 01:06:44 Taco Bell rappers that are strewn about the case. Anyways, RIP to a real capitalist, but I don't know. Yeah. Well, more to be revealed. We're, we're going to follow this one all the way to the top. The dog had to have killed him, right? We're going to follow this one all the way to the top or the bottom, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:03 See you soon, Lucifer. Yeah. See you soon, Lucifer. Yeah. And finally, we got the biggest piece of Mars on the planet, on planet earth, 70% larger than the next largest piece of Mars found on earth. Oh. Fortunately, it's not going to some boring old museum where like everybody comes by and is like, oh, science and just fucking jerk off hand motion.
Starting point is 01:07:28 It is going to be sold exclusively to someone who's very rich. We know this is going up for auction. This is from Mars legit. This piece of rock. Straight up from Mars. How did we get it? That remains it. So the guy from the previous story actually dropped it off.
Starting point is 01:07:49 The conjuring guy. It's so apparently what happened is it got Mars got hit by a big meteor or, you know, one of those space rocks and like, from that and landed on the planet and That's how we found it. Landed on planet Earth? On planet Earth. Yeah, that's how we have. It's very rare that like Mars gets hit so hard that it throws up on our planet.
Starting point is 01:08:17 Yeah, we get Mars dangerous. Yeah, landing on our planet. But yeah, they've done the tests and they know our planet. But yeah, they've done the tests and they know with a reasonable enough degree of certainty to sell it to some rich, gullible guy. I just want to though look at the picture that they have on the website. Yeah. With it. So I just feel like there's like real sexual tension I feel like there's like real sexual tension in this picture. Like it reminds me of like an embarrassingly intimate photo from a pregnancy announcement.
Starting point is 01:08:53 You know, like they're just like touching her on the rock or just like. She got her hands on that thing. She's got her hands on it. Just like an index and a middle finger lightly grazing it. Like, I wonder if they're like, hey, Sarah, please don't touch the Martian rock in the photo. And she's just like, I must lightly caress it. She just like can't stop. Yeah, like what are the oils from your fingers? Finger oil.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Like mingle? They're mingling. What? In a way that shouldn't mingle. Is that a, wait, that's what it's called? Mingle? I don't know. No, just like your finger oils in the Mars rock.
Starting point is 01:09:27 There's just like a horny energy between her and the rock that I don't know what they're selling exactly here, but it has me intrigued. It looks like some also like weird like Renaissance painting of like Christ's crucifixion or something where like just like looking longingly at this Martian rock as if it's like a deity. But there's, I mean, look, we're all bringing what we want to, to this image. You see sexual tension. Like the pregnancy announcement images that are like kind of horny and like,
Starting point is 01:09:57 yeah, intimate and romantic. And I'm like, I don't want to like, I don't want the year, the announcement of your pregnancy to like evoke you guys fucking so much. Even a person in the foot, I guess, maybe to show you how big it is. But then they were like, yeah, make it real sexy. That's what a TV remote is for.
Starting point is 01:10:20 Everyone knows if you want scale, you put the TV remote next to it or a can of Pepsi. That's right. And then boom. But I guess, I don't know. I mean, I guess it's worth 4 million to some. It could be worth. I mean, what the starting bid is 1.6. Jesus.
Starting point is 01:10:36 That feels like kind of cheap for this, like a piece of Mars for a piece of Mars? For a giant piece of Mars. For a piece of Mars? Yeah. Like, oh, so I'm sure they have all the paperwork and some, you know, person who's like an astronomer has like verified. It's like, no, this is actually, this is from the surface of Mars. But like, I, you know, I feel like if this wasn't, I'd be like, oh, cool, that's from Mars. It might not even be. It's like, it's red ish. It's reddish.
Starting point is 01:11:07 It does just look like a red rock that you would find on our planet. But I think the implication of the image is that it has like a, like what, what's the obelisk from like 2001, like it has like that sort of like obelisk, like pool, like that you're just going to get in the same room with it, and you're going to hear those voices. Be like, oh. It's going to be like, do, do, do. Yeah, right, right, right.
Starting point is 01:11:30 Do. The monolith. Do, do. Monolith, not obelisk, monolith. But yeah, anyways, this is the future that we're headed for. I mean, it's already here in the sense that rich people own a bunch of the artwork and then are like, but I'm a benevolent rich person and you can come look at my art collection.
Starting point is 01:11:50 But this, I don't know. I mean, I feel like this has to be, SpaceX needs to buy this, right? I don't know. I mean, I feel like this has actually inspired me to like, well, if they think this shit is from Mars, I could definitely sell a $100 Mars rock. I'm not going to get too crazy with it. I'd be like, bro, if they think this shit is from Mars, like I could definitely sell like a hundred dollar Mars rock, like I'm not going to get too crazy with it.
Starting point is 01:12:08 I'd be like, bro, this is from Mars. I sold two for a hundred dollars. I think it should be bought by QVC and just like chipped off into a thousand different pieces for their just like commemorative Mars rock plate. Yeah. Jesus. I mean, I'm sure you could tell Trump it's like a hair regrowth thing. He's like, I need it'sed to dust, sprinkle it on now.
Starting point is 01:12:28 Yeah. Anyways, I don't know why I wanted to talk about that story so bad. I think it just, it's really the way this person, this woman is posed with the rock. Yeah, there's something so, I don't know, we'll link off to it in the footnotes. It footnotes. It does feel like they had some kind of really tense affair or something. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 01:12:48 And like they have to get their sweet end to a love. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, anyways, I hope it works out for them. I ship this woman, the display model at Sotheby's and this Mars rock. I hope it works out for her and her Mars rock baby. Caitlin, what a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. The pleasure is all mine. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, learn from you, all that good stuff?
Starting point is 01:13:14 Oh my goodness. Well, you can follow me on Instagram. I barely do anything there, but if you want to follow me, you can at Caitlin Durante. The thing I really want to plug is the upcoming Bechtelcast tour in the Midwest. Have you ever heard of it? Wow. I have. The great Midwest. We are going to Indianapolis,
Starting point is 01:13:40 Madison, Chicago, and Minneapolis at the end of August, early September. You can find tickets at linktree slash Bechtelcast. And Jamie and I are very excited. And we don't know exactly what movie slash movies we're covering yet. But perhaps the internet search that I was talking about at the top of the show might be a little hint. I don't know, we haven't fully decided. That'd be so funny if people were like,
Starting point is 01:14:12 yes, they're gonna do it. And you're like, we actually changed our mind. Actually, we're doing the high fidelity. Um, no, we're, uh, we're gonna announce officially soon what movies, but either way, it's gonna be a blast. The shows we do live are always so fun, so everyone should come out. And yeah, I also teach screenwriting classes, so check out my website, CaitlinDurante.com slash classes for more information about that or or to message me and express your interest.
Starting point is 01:14:47 That's it. That's everything for me. Amazing. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? I would recommend the movie, I believe it's in theaters now, Sorry Baby. Oh yeah, I've heard this is so good. The Eva Victor starring vehicle as well as she wrote and I think directed it. But yeah, I had a chance to see it a few weeks ago and it is so good. Hell yeah. Miles, where can people find you as
Starting point is 01:15:16 their work media you've been enjoying? Man, find me everywhere at miles of gray. Find me talking 90-day fiance on 420 day fiance. A post I like on blue sky is from at joshuaerlich.beastguy.social posted. Thinking about the Dems who said we can't abolish ICE as the Department of Education gets wiped off the map.
Starting point is 01:15:38 We talked about that in the trending episode because the Supreme Court's like, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, just go ahead. If you really wanted to destroy it, like go ahead and learn or do know. Yeah. I mean, just go ahead. If you really wanted to destroy it, like go ahead. I mean, we're not going to do anything. Yeah, that's mine. That was, yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:50 I wish I had a funnier one, but I was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So many times they say they can't do anything. You can actually do everything, it turns out. Yeah. Yeah. You can do whatever the fuck you want. It turns out if you have power and the courage of your convictions. Let's see.
Starting point is 01:16:09 Smirks of media. I enjoyed at comrade flirty tweeted, what's going on with my ladies in quotes and in some cases gentlemen of the jury. I think it's a good way for attorneys to adopt that Trumpian rhetoric. Yeah. And then Zabby, African Zabby tweeted, four sneezes in a row is clout chasing. Wrap it up. Wow.
Starting point is 01:16:36 I am a repeated sneezer. They come in twos usually. Mine come in. I've had some runs that are really humiliating. And then I'll start talking again and then have to stop. You're like, oh, there's more in the tank. God. Yeah, just the person across from me just covered in their sneeze.
Starting point is 01:17:00 Honestly, the first two felt normal and this now just feels like an act of violence against me. You can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien on Blue Sky at Jack Obi the number one. You can find us on Twitter on Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it. And there you will find the footnote, which is where we link off to the information
Starting point is 01:17:26 that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Yeah, this is a duo called Roi Turbo, R-O-I-T-U-R-B-O. They're like brothers from South Africa, but now they're like in England, but their music is very much like it from South Africa, but now they're in England. But their music is very much like it's dancey. You can tell they're definitely inspired by African disco or high life.
Starting point is 01:17:56 This track is just great. Even though it's called Dystopia and that's kind of where we're in, there's a joy to it, which we also must seek despite being in a dystopia to keep on going on. So this is a really fun danceable track. It's called Dystopia Roy Turbo. Check it out. All right.
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