The Daily Zeitgeist - Andrew Yang’s Vibe Party, Starbucks Going Goblin Mode 08.18.22

Episode Date: August 18, 2022

In episode 1312, Jack and Miles are joined by journalist and writer Aymann Ismail to discuss… Peace to Liz Cheney, Hello to THIRD PARTIES, Starbucks Goin' For The Kill and more! Starbucks Goin' For The Kill Read Aymann Ismail's work here. LISTEN: Kilimanjaro by The Shaolin AfronautsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 250 episode 4 of their daily site guys stay production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and it's thursday august 18th 2022 we got national day international day you know what you know what time it is when it's 818 first of all shout out the motherfucking valley it's 818 in the fucking building uh but also you know to make that a thing

man look you're right actually why the fuck am i not doing that i literally just put this shit together right now that's how i know i saw it i saw it before my very eyes i just go like you know that powerful-ass area code. You know, celebrate by, you know, enjoying some OG Kush. Number one. But, yeah, it is other things along with that. National Fajita Day, National Ice Cream Pie Day, and National Pinot Noir Day. Pinot Noir.

That was the one that he liked in Sideways, right? That's the closest I ever came to having any sort of understanding of wine taste is the movie Sideways. And I feel like he was like, I'm not drinking Merlot! But he was okay with Pinot Noir, maybe? I forget everything except that I believe... Wasn't the vineyard called the Hitching Post? I don't remember that. I only remember the most inconsequential.

That might not even be right. But yeah, a peanut Neuer if you're into it. What about ice cream pie? That of course means peanut. I like a good ice cream pie. I like anything that is... My favorite pie

is key lime pie. And then I just had a key lime pie that didn't have graham cracker crust. And I realized that my favorite pie is anything with graham cracker crust. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That that is the key ingredient. And an ice cream pie is want to have a graham cracker crust, in which i am fully on board there's i mean look this day is advocating for you know these ice cream pies they say hey why don't you combine a graham cracker

crust with maple pecan ice cream for a malt cream please vanilla wafer crust with peanut butter ice cream topped with bananas what yes all right all means yeah all of the means. By all of them. My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. I got my deuce straight from the Baja. Bless that shit. I got some turtle in my tuna. Subway shit. I play my Switch up everywhere.

Yeah, gamer bitch. I pop my cats right from the source. Yeah, zeitgeist shit. That is courtesy of Moss Ridden Void Bellower at Worldwide Wharf. Little Peaches by Justin Bieber. Yeah. Shout out to Moss Ridden Void Bellower.

That is a hell of a Twitter. Yeah. Okay. Oof. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! is by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Sometimes I feel like I'll never get Lambo. Sometimes I feel like I pissed my pants. I host a podcast in the City of Angels.

My name is Miles. Now let's go get high. And I don't ever want to feel how I get Lambo. America eats it young. So just bong away. Okay, shout out to that one under the bridge uh lacaroni on the discord thank you how are how are we get lambo how are you i get lambo the great american question how are you get lambo that's right now currently tattooed i added it to all the tattoos on my face and neck it's almost crossed my chest.

How are I get limbo? Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined once again in our third seat by an award-winning writer for Slate, whose work focuses on identity and religion. He wrote and produced the amazing video series, Who's Afraid of Amen Ismail? He's appeared on CNN and PR, featured in the New York Post, Adweek, Gawker, The Huffington Post. Please welcome Amen Ismail!

Amen! Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, ya bani Adam. Right back at you, my brother. That's a deep cut for the Muslims listening. Okay. Are we celebrating something or that was just like a good... I feel like we should be.

We should be. I mean, I've been on this tip where in the last two years there's been like five new shows on TV, five new series that speak just to Muslims. We're talking about like Rami, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, and now we have Mo, the new show coming out on Netflix

by Kimmy and Mo Ahmed. It feels like there's so much happening in that community, and I just want to feel like a part of it sometimes. There you go. I'll just speak out to them. Hell yeah. One time.

It's always a beautiful thing. Are we getting some wins over here? Are we doing something? Is it happening? Yeah, for real. Always a pleasure. Where where you come to us from oh i'm still in newark new jersey still in brick city man i don't know if i even want to be here anymore i'm not gonna lie i've like repped it really hard yeah i think the first time i was

on this show i had like a newark hat and this time i'm just like ah man dude they're like they're trying to build another power plant we have have three power plants in this four-square-mile community. Three! Which is more than you'll find in any other area in the whole country. At this point, you're a collector. Yeah. Right. We've got the best power plants for some reason.

But at the same time, they just approved a fourth one where they're going to import the shit, like the actual shit from New York and from other states. The human waste? They're going to import the shit, like the actual shit from New York and from other states. The human waste? They're going to truck it in, and they're going to, they're called biosolids, and they're going to boil it and turn it into like concrete paste or something. Which is, damn.

Can we afford that in this neighborhood? Wow. It keeps going up for some reason. Is that going to somehow produce energy or this is independent of the electrical plant? So it has like two prongs, right? The first prong is it's better than leaving it in a landfill, right? Yeah.

Usually what happens to this stuff is that it gets dumped in the water or it ends up in some lot in Pennsylvania or other parts of New Jersey or whatever. But in this way, they're thinking that we're going to truck it just across the river to Newark, New Jersey, and we're going to use it and we're going to cut the production of the actual cement, which is way worse for the environment than what they would be doing. So they actually pitched it as a green project. But at the same time, this community is mostly black and brown.

Historically, it's been redlined. So people who were here couldn't leave and buy houses in Milburn. project right at the same time this community is mostly black and brown right historically has been redlined so people who were here couldn't leave and buy houses in milburn or nutley or other communities that are just across the highway right that are you know they have no power plants and i wonder why but at the same time it's like why why does it need to be we're in a place where there's already three power plants right can this community afford more pollution that's the question i have to ask yeah and as a dad now i also have to ask like am i comfortable continuing to raise a child here where they're just going to keep adding to the pollution i have to i have to live with whatever happens you know so i have to make that decision soon i think yeah man man and

this it's wild to have wait are what kind of power plants you have are they like like how are they generating power there's a couple there's one that's an incinerator where they just straight up light it on fire yeah man that's fucked up dude this incinerator is like walking distance from me and one day it literally turned the sky purple. For some reason, whatever was shooting out from the smokestack was purple. And they're like, it's fine. It's normal. Yeah.

They're like, we have an agenda reveal at the power plant. That's all. Just don't worry about it. Congrats. It's a day. They both came out, you know, and we just, we're not tripping, but it discolored the sky. So, wow. Yeah, it's, man, a lot on your plate.

It's the same shit that you don't think about unless you're like a parent. And now that I'm a parent, I'm like thinking about it. Sure, sure. And also, yeah, you got to think about it. You're like, but I love being here. But also the way this place is set up, it's almost asking me a lot of hard questions. I mean, I grew up with asthma. Did you grow up there?

Yeah, yeah. I actually grew up in a house like two blocks from where I am right now. And what's crazy is I think the rate here is like one in four kids, I think it's like 25%, will get asthma, which is twice the national rate. So that's obscene already. But in my family, it was three out of four. Three of us had asthma, you know?

And I almost wonder how I'll feel if my kid develops asthma too. Like, will I be okay with that? Right, right. I don't know. It's a hard question. Oh, right, and they're feeling responsible, but then you're like, I'm against the fucking forces of capitalism. I'm trying to keep my kid from not having asthma and shit.

And there's also a bit of survivor's guilt attached to it. What if I, now that I'm like working and I got like a job that pays pretty well, how will I feel knowing that I can move to Nutley now? Right, right, right. All of my friends in my community are just going to be behind. It's tricky. It it's wild how there's so many ways to make yourself feel terrible even when you're like objectively i'm doing good but the way society society's so fucked up i'm out here questioning if i deserve the shit i got it's a slippery slope but yeah i hope much clarity comes to you soon yeah thank. Thank you, man.

All right. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things that we're talking about. We are going to say a fond peace to Liz Cheney. See ya. As she has been defeated in her. Thoroughly. Thoroughly, soundly by MAGA. Thoroughly, soundly by MAGA.

I mean, eight of ten. Eight of ten Republicans that voted for impeachment are no longer in power. Yeah. And two are hanging on off of technicality. Yeah. It's kind of a wrap. Like, this does signal, it's like, oh, no, he won. He won that one. Mm-hmm.

But we're going to talk about that. She's talking about maybe running for president as a spoiler and like this once again raises the specter of a third party is is there reason to believe in third parties this upcoming election cycle i mean and wait till we also will get to andrew yang's pitch if you're if you've been on the fence about a third party get fucking ready y'all i hope you're what you're thinking caps on for this one it's a vibe it's that's mainly what it is it's not not so much a pitch as a vibe oh that's a 21 savage okay we're gonna talk about starbucks going for the kill on unions like Like I thought, I thought they were like well-established at this point.

There were so many victories, but they are, they're basically being like, we, we need to revote. There's the, we can't trust the, these they're,

they're just doing what Trump did to the presidential election, essentially. Yeah. So we'll talk about that. All of that. Plenty more. But first, amen.

We like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history i was looking up starbucks evil actually because i was actually reading about the union thing a second ago and i remembered on youtube i had found a video a lot of years ago about how the logo was actually a nod at something evil and satanic and it's like a whole conspiracy rabbit hole about how starbucks is actually run by an evil satanic court or something like that and i'm not saying those things are true i'm not i know that it's like it's fun right but that's what i was looking for so i can remember what exactly about the hidden evil of the starbucks

logo on the scott smith blog i feel like that would make them way cooler than i think they actually are as if they hid some satanic shit in their logo that would be good i mean god rather i mean they're just now demonic because they're so inhumane to workers. But all right. You know. Yeah. Oh, shit. They're saying it's like an upside down bathroom. Yeah.

Wow. All right. All right. OK. I see you. I see you. So in much the same way, much the same way that the Bulls logo is an upside down robot. Have you ever seen that?

The Bulls logo upside down. It is an upside down robot. Have you ever seen that? The Bulls logo upside down? It is straight up a robot. It's cool. This. Yeah. The Starbucks logo, when you turn it upside down, looks exactly like Baphomet. The horned devil goat thing. That's pretty good.

How does it look like a robot? Oh, because it looks like a robot like spinning like using a crab as a turntable yeah it's a robot using crabs as a turntable okay i like that whoa that's fucking wild all right yeah they should just adapt that for like april fool's day or something yeah just a free marketing idea go for it and then announce like who is it the ceo of goldman who's the fucking wannabe dj jamie don't david no david solomon yeah david solomon yeah the new logo for the book well now you're talking about my favorite dj miles yeah okay my bad my bad no disrespect to desol that's awesome he was desol but then he was like fuck this i'm cool enough now i can go by david solomon i'm going by

young ceo how did the fact that there was not any youtube footage from his set at lalapalooza suggested me either it didn't happen or his seo people were on that shit or people were like yo what the fuck is this like a charity set it set spinning in the park well no i wanted to see like the because remember we saw the footage from his like hampton set yeah and it was just the emptiest dance floor mixed with he just did someone's wedding i just saw another clip of him recently djing somebody's wedding that's so and like the most low energy like drop I've ever seen. He's like putting his hand up and like cutting the trouble. He's like, you ready?

And then it happened. He has like no body movement. Like when the beat comes in, everyone's like all his sycophants are just taping him in the front. And I'm like, this is fucking too much. You know what that reminds me of? Of Joe Queen Phoenix trying to start a rap career. Yeah.

And he has like a few rap concerts and it's sort of the same energy it's like yo this guy's really trying man that was god we should have known it was a rap when he was out there somebody should have told him something uh what is something you think is underrated playstation 5 now i have a i have a few reasons for this right because it's it's sort of like a designer like video game console at this at this point but i love having something that my brother can't get his hands on and it's like the best feeling in the world it's actually really funny his his wife has a control of the amazon account it's like under her email or whatever and so he got this he had access to like this amazon customers only access to a playstation

5 drop but she didn't tell him that the email came through when it was time to get the one that was reserved for him yeah and so he called me mad as hell he's like hey i can't get this freaking place it's been like a year. And I'm like, damn, man, you want to come over and play mine? That's what he gets for when he's trying to play Super Mario Game with a controller that's not plugged in. Oh, is this your older brother or younger brother? Yeah, he's my older brother.

Oh, okay, yeah. So you need to windmill on him all day with that PS5. Oh, I'm sending him pictures all the time. Yeah. He's like, oh, sending him pictures all the time. Yeah. He's like, oh, man, you have a baby. You won't be able to play with it. You got the box still? You got the box still? Yeah, I got the box still.

Yo. Oh, I should just give it to him. I'm just saying, if you really want to get in your fucking sibling war bag, you can pull up with a fucking rocked out fucking5 box and be like hey man you know i you know i got you big bro it's time to make peace man i got you you thought he opens it up it's just like a cinder block oh my god but that might cause that might cause some real problems but anyway you know that's a dangerous that's a dangerous move with gamers i feel it's he's hitting that age where he's starting to shrink a little bit,

so I'm not scared of him. Okay. What age is that, like 30s? How's he shrinking? Yeah, wait, hold up. I might be there too. I'm starting to look over his head now. I'm just kind of like, it's that little bro.

You might be hitting a growth spurt. You might be growing. I'm pretty sure you don't start shrinking until you're in your 60s. Yeah, you get the dad itch. There you go. How is the PS5 still so hard to come by? Is it just the same way as cars are facing supply chain issues? I think it has more to do with bots.

Because I think for a long time like really nice sneakers and designer stuff has always been really hard to find online and so there's all these bot engines that will just automatically purchase as soon as the drop happens so they can purchase the whole stock before a human can physically click on the the purchase now button right yeah so it's been impossible for any human just go on to any of these websites and just hit buy because so many of these, what are they called? Yeah.

There's like a term for them. Right. But yeah, so they basically just hoard all the PS5s. Oh, you mean the resellers? Yeah, the resellers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they just have them all. And there's also the supply chain issue

Because they have this certain chip That there's a worldwide shortage That's making it hard to make cars To make computers It's hard to make anything these days I know that Tesla got Pushed back like Four or five years

Because they ran out of chips They just don't have any more chips They're like hey you can sign up for a 2027. I think that's what it is right now. Or you can buy a 2017. Yeah. That's all we got. We'll swap the battery out for you, though.

But yeah, the PS5 shortage was real bad. I remember when it came out, I only got one because my friend hit two lotteries. And he's like, yo, I'll sell you the other one I hit at cost. And I was like, thank you, sir, for being gentle with the reseller. Because I know you could have came up if you actually put that thing. This is like at the end

of 2020. That winter. That's right off the jump. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how people felt when they got the Pfizer vaccine? You know when it's like, oh, they got that exclusive? That's sort of how I feel with the PS5 just holding and hugging it what are you playing on it's like my brother got Moderna and I got I got Pfizer that's how I got PS Pfizer wait what are you playing on it right now uh I like the indie game so I'm playing right now

that game called Kena it's sort of like a Legends of Zelda vibe where it's like dungeons and puzzles and that kind of thing okay I play a lot of sports games though i play a lot of fifa it's a big thing got to which you know uh we should pour one out because this next one's going to be the last one the last one then we get they lost the license sports fc or whatever the fuck is going to be called whatever we'll survive yeah that'll be fine what's uh what's something you think is overrated camera straps you know uh when people take pictures there's like a strap that comes with every camera that you're supposed to hook up so you can sling it over your shoulder yeah sling it over your neck and i just haven't used one in a couple years now and i don't think

i can ever go back. You know, like this is an example of it. Like I just prefer to hold it. And I know it's like it increases the rate of dropping it, but at least, you know, you feel like you're holding on to something, and if you just let it hang over your shoulder, it just rocks back and forth. What is that? What kind of, what is that?

It's heavy. This? Yeah, this is what I'm holding is a Canon Mark III, 5D Mark III. And what you got, L-series glass on that? What kind of, what is that? It's heavy. This? Yeah, this is what I'm holding is a Canon Mark III, 5D Mark III. And what you got? L-series glass on that? Hell yeah, man. Man, you know strap? I just picked this up.

20 to 70, 2.8. Yeah, yeah. For the camera dorks. Yeah, okay. You know. Yeah, a really good friend of mine just got married recently. And I used to shoot weddings back in college is like my side hustle because you could just charge whatever and people are just happy to have. Yeah.

And they're so it's it's insane. It's insane what people charge, but I always charge less. And so people were happy to work with me. Right. And even then you're like, damn, you pay me that much. All right. Yeah. No, I mean, it's better than doing like a job somewhere where Disney execs ares are gonna shout at me you know get my coffee or whatever so i just did that instead

and so a buddy of mine just got married and i was like yo i'm gonna give you this as a wedding gift i'm gonna like show up and like shoot your wedding you know and it was legit man i had like the setup i had multiple cameras we did the whole. I made the groomsmen take their picture. That was a little goofy. Made the bridesmaids take their picture. That's goofy. All the whole nine basically. Yeah.

And I just got back. So like my whole table in front of me is covered with just camera shit. But the whole time there was like another photographer who had the strap. And I was just like, you look like a dork right now. You have to like fucking clown i'd sort of protecting your investment and shit if you if you're holding on to it you can always just like tuck it like a football and now you have two hands wow you know you are cradling it my dad's a photographer so i grew up getting yelled at all the time as a kid getting near my dad's camera equipment right and when i

got old enough to take pictures i had the rule was i cannot have a fucking camera in my hand unless the neck strap was fucking on because i remember i almost dropped a camera once and that was it and so when i see you you're like no man i'm carefree with it you're holding the lens part like it's the stem of a hammer like the neck that's the heavier part of the camera i mean you have to hold it from this side dude yeah if you're holding it like this dude oh yeah and if you had a telephoto on you can't hold it from the body right man yeah anyway uh i'm just very passionate about it and if i and if i see you wearing a strap i might clown you you know what's funny My other homie who's a photographer, he has like a, he has the smallest wrist strap that he has.

He's like, I ain't going full neck. Wrist strap. Yeah. But at least when he has it in his hand, if anything were to ever happen, it's just going to go straight to the wrist. So at least you don't have to have a total herb out there. I've seen that. Yeah. I wouldn't mind a wrist strap.

You know, it's like one of those like nintendo switch straps where it's like kind of slides over your wrist so when you're playing you know obviously fling yeah yeah i got it but no man if you're wearing it over your neck it's it almost feels like you're pretending to be a photographer because like you're it's if you try to walk with it just try walking with it it's gonna like swing around and hit you in the chin and if you try to walk with it, just try walking with it. It's going to like swing around and hit you in the chin. And if you try to swing it over your shoulder, it's just going to keep flapping up and down. It's probably not good for the gear.

Okay. So what I do is I just have a camera bag that has easy access. And so when I'm done shooting, I just flip it over one on one side of the arm, stuff the camera and keep moving. Okay. How fragile is a camera like that? Like, is that, is that something that if it's just fucking flying around on a strap like that, it could break?

No. No. All right. No, no. It's the drops that you're going to worry about. It's the lens. The lens is probably the, you fuck that up. Like, it's a wrap.

A body, you could get away with some shit if you smash it up a little bit. But the glass, you fuck that up. I've known some people who have the craziest looking bodies and they're proud of it. Especially concert photographers. People who shoot in venues. Look at their gear, man. It looks like it's in battle. I'm sure it has.

In a way, it's actually kind of rad. I'm worried that Balenciaga, after hearing this, is going to come out with the raggedy camera body shot. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk Liz Cheney. We'll talk third parties. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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it's not it's not that important at the most you need to know is that this uh woman harriet haigman had one of the worst looking like fashion choices i've ever seen like a really has this like quilt coat that's baffling but anyway sound baffling almost yes it would work very well as It sounds like it really would. It really would. You know, it's, you know, got her own MAGA swag, her own swagger. But yeah, she one hand, I think, was 68 percent of the vote. She got 68 percent of the vote. So, you know, I think if you turn on like CNN or MSNBC, some are like being like, hey, you know, like almost treating her like a fallen hero. But come on, y'all.

Like she deserves no applause. Like she helped elevate Trump. She voted for, she voted with him 93% of the time and only found a backbone after January 6th, presumably because she hoped that an electoral defeat would be a tidy way to get him out the way,

which is, I just feel like that's, that's the most charity I could give her. So I'll give her, you know what, I'll give her one point because she did draw the line at election theft but not at things like restricting like health care or lgbtq rights or voting rights or human rights and shit like that so there it is but really what this says is that this is this is pretty much the uh as many people are saying it's the purge of anybody who went

against trump and the house is pretty much gone off without a hitch. Yeah. Eight out of 10. So, and you said there's two left and they're hanging on by technicalities. Yeah. Like one, like there's a,

it's just like the way the district is set. It's just, it's like a, it's an eventuality. I think the other is a friend of Kevin McCarthy and Kevin McCarthy, like begged Trump to not like name him to maybe eke out a fucking win. Spare him, sir. Yeah, no, seriously.

So, you know, it's it's her speech when she conceded was sort of like, you know, I could have won this race, but I didn't want to throw the whole boot. OK, I only want to lick the tip a little bit a few years ago. And then I drew the line there and that's why i got smashed by somebody who was willing to regurgitate any amount of nonsense so you know this may this probably you know obviously the end of the road for her as a congress person at the moment but there's already a lot of talk and you know saying like yeah i might think about running for president too and there's like a new leadership pack that she's like shifting her money into that's called like the the great task or some

shit very cryptic the great task is something foreboding as hell yeah it's something it's some shit like that very very very honest so i know a lot of people think like you know that that may that may be her ultimate aim is to just be the permanent thorn in Trump's side. But, yeah, I mean, her as a presidential candidate feels very like the wet dream of like CNN. CNN loves that shit. Oh, yeah. Idea of like, first of all, she's, you know, got legacy. She's got the nepotism thing going. She has like a, you know, when the national news cycle was like, well, Jeb Bush is going to be the nominee type shit.

I feel like that I could see her getting a lot of attention that way. And if she can somehow rip off the bandaid for, you know, get people's mind around third parties. I would be all about that. Who knows? I mean, look, a good pedigree, though. Her dad actually knows how to steal an election. That's true. Look out. I mean, that's a feather in your hat. Can't forget about Florida.

Yeah, you know what I mean? We'll see. I don't know. I mean, Amy, what do you think? You see her being serious like having a serious political career after a lot of people think maybe she'll just be a pundit no man i think she's done i think she also knows that she's done it's it's like that scene at the end of black panther where tatala at the end is like you know what i can kind of see things your way now it still doesn't erase everything that the villain has done the whole movie you know what i mean uh

liz cheney is a very staunch conservative and when we're thinking about what's good for the country forget what's good for the country think about where the polls are the national polls and what people actually want she's one of those people that's voted regularly against what nationally people in America actually want for this country. And on top of that, if you want to just for a second, talk about her position on waterboarding. A, she doesn't think that waterboarding is actually torture. She's on record saying that it's not torture and that it's an interrogation technique that works. And to this day, to this day day she still thinks that that's why in the end we were able to get bin laden never mind the fact that the cia the cia themselves

had their own fact-finding agency that produced like a 6 700 page report that in the end concluded that there is no evidence saying that any information obtained by any of those interrogation techniques if you want to i'm gonna call it torture nothing obtained by torture helped us get bin laden but that doesn't matter you know what i mean she's still in that realm of conservative where her her position matters more than the truth 100 when it comes to actually hurting people and hurting the country i don't know man I'm kind of glad to see her go. Yeah, it's nice that she at the very end grew a conscious, but we would have loved to see that conscious. But what I think I'm more worried about is where the conservative and Republican

party is going. Because I think this, in my opinion, what was at stake was Trump's power. I think a lot of people were talking about Trump as being this tangential figure in the Republican Party now. He's sort of out of the way. He's quieter. He's off Twitter. He doesn't have that reach. I think he proved a lot of people wrong by getting Liz Cheney totally, you know, it's insane the margin that she was beat out by, man. Like, that's insane. Incumbent? I out by, man. Like, that's insane.

Incumbent? I don't think that's ever happened before. Ever. So I think it's not a good sign if you're someone who's worried about Trump's power. And at the same time, knowing now that the Republican Party is a party that's loyal to a person, it's going to get hairy from here. That's what i'm feeling a lot of people are like bro i think these some of these people think this motherfucker is jesus the way some of these evangelicals are talking too it's like he's redefining religion for some

people with like their adherence to everything that he says i mean i think one of the reasons why they're really energized too is like the republicans it's easier to be like this motherfucker's a traitor and turn out against them while being upset at like what you know democrats being in power but for sure i mean like it it shows that that grievance vote is was very potent there but i don't know you know does she maybe she'll spoil the party i don't know it's like i don't know who she takes it's like those people who might be like, I can't get with Trump. It's like, well, don't, I don't know if those are votes for anybody else, but him anyway. But yeah. I recently ran a piece in Slate about the line between extremism and mainstream Republican politics shrinking. Right. And so I talked to a research fellow at the Sufjan Center, which is like this far right, not far, they investigate

extremism wherever it comes from. And they found that that line, that's, you know, the distance that a person has to travel to find crazy conspiracies and violent rhetoric has virtually disappeared. And now if you go online and you're looking for just run of the mill conservative ideas, you're pretty much guaranteed to be funneled into one of these corners of the internet where you're bound to encounter some of the most hardcore shit. You know what I mean? And so this, I think, like the whole Liz Cheney thing is just, it's like a symptom of a bigger problem, which is that the person who is online looking for conservative ideas now is just being thrashed

with so much of this crazy extremist shit. And I'm not talking about just like extremism on like abortion or, you know, I'm talking about we got gotta burn it down you know what i mean yeah like accelerationist yeah yeah it's insane uh so i think that distinction is important between like what republican ideas are and like the the extremism shit that this group is talking about when they're for example trying to kind of tear all of the institutions apart tear trust away from these institutions so that people feel helpless in working with the system.

So they start looking for solutions outside the system. And those solutions are not going to be peaceful, right? No. Now we're talking about subverting the will of American democracy, the will of your neighbor. Now you're just trying to enforce it by force. And so what does that look like? It looks like the dude going and setting his car on fire in front of the in

washington dc and we're talking about the dude who tried to blast through a bulletproof glass in an fbi building in cincinnati with a nail gun you know right that's what that looks like and so i think uh it's it's not looking good it's not looking good. It's not looking good. But do you think he is more electorally viable than people are giving him credit? It seems to me like he is the presumptive winner of the 2020, not even the nominee. There's not even going to be a primary. He's going not even the nominee there's not even be a primary i don't like he's gonna he's gonna be the nominee like i i feel like the amount of energy we're seeing out here and like unprecedented wins in you know granted it's wyoming or whatever the fuck but like it just

feels like the people are once again sleeping on the fact that trump is going to be the president again barring some manner of like i don't know charges against him which is also yeah very unlikely i feel like i don't know man it's bleak bleak times and like what does a trump presidency look like yeah but i don't know i mean that's why that's why it's close you got to pay attention to these midterms man that's you'll see what a how much people are like oh do i have to vote to keep my rights for the first like do i need to go get out to do that will they do that are people connected enough to what the stakes are is by virtue of all of the talk in like dc really centering around like

what's going on with trump like is he going to jail is he getting indicted is he getting charged definitely good for like the media energy machine but then like when i do see people like eric trump being like these people were like fighting over giving me dinner you got to see i'm like that did shit didn't happen fool shut up like it's not like that okay but i do understand that it is this is the absolute position fox trump the right wing loves to be in is to get into like we got they they're coming for us mode yeah but you know again seeing how like ill-equipped republicans are when asked to comment on everything are like about the situation, then you're like, damn, like I'm sure these people would again, rather be trying to say like,

actually falling gas prices is bad for Americans. Cause that was like one of the last. You know, I think the lesson from 2016 when Hillary lost was that elections aren't won by energizing your base. The elections are won by getting the other side to not show up. That was the issue with Hillary. It's not that Trump's support got him over the edge. It was that, but also Hillary supporters didn't show up, partly because of her emails and the FBI opening investigation, just literally the same month of the election. But at the same time, I think we need to be thinking about that moving forward a little bit more,

because what is it that's going to get Democrats out and to vote? I think the problem is, we always talk about it. I just saw a headline. It's like, what can Joe Biden do to bring out the youth vote it or you know like what has to happen and it sounds like this thing where the youth vote is this thing that like it's like through this alchemy we can energize them what is the secret recipe when really it's about can it's not about the youth vote waking up it's about can the party actually appeal to people stop putting it in the in the hands of like can the youth vote wake up it's like are you even

are you even espousing policies that interest people like can you even connect with them it's not that you're trying to prod this like dead fucking body on the side of the road be like hey come on man wake up it's about can you even put something in the air that people like oh that's a direction that i believe in that we can go for because a lot of times people you know hear a lot of political talking like this is a bunch of bullshit case in point fucking andrew yang recently out here talking about his third party on cnn and he he this guy thinks he's so big brain he's like no man it's a fucking it's about it's about going forward, man. It's about progress. Oh, OK.

I know progress means something very specific to me. But when he was asked by Jim Acosta on CNN, this dude. Oh, my. It's so. Yeah, really. You got to listen to this. But like, this is what happens when your people pleasing part of your brain is completely blown out because you don't even know what to do. Like, how can I please anybody? These things have taken over my body.

OK, here we go. Please, please show us. Show us the way on both sides. You're going to have to come up with policy negative results. Right. We just need a better. Yeah. But Andrew, you're going to have to have policy positions at some point. How does the forward party feel about Roe versus Wade? Should it have been overturned? Well, I personally think that women's reproductive rights are fundamental human rights. But the forward party has not left or right, but forward stance on even the most divisive and contentious issues because there's a common sense majority. What does that mean? Don't you have to take a position on something?

What are you talking about, my man? You can't just say, well, you know, hot-button issue, so I'm not going to take a position on you. If you want to run the country, you're going to have to make some hard decisions, Andrew. Again, the forward party is about that common-sense consensus majority view, which is very clear on abortion. It's clear on guns. It's clear on climate change. It's actually clear on just about every issue under the sun. Should 18-year-olds be able to buy AR-15s?

Because of the nature of our system. Should 18-year-olds be able to buy AR-15s? Again, the common sense consensus majority is that there should be some rules around background checks and access to firearms. But we're not getting any of these things, Jim, because the two-party system does not need to deliver. It doesn't sound like you can fucking fucking deliver on having a take on shit. This is the so the idea that he's pitching is a third party that is the center is to the center. That is based on this talking point that was created by the Republicans. That is the Democrats are too far to the left, too extreme, except they're not extreme about literally anything. Like there's not an extreme left position that is occupied by the Democratic Party.

by the democratic party so like anytime you try and ask like the this new idea for a third party to like articulate how their position is different from the democrats in any way they can't because the democrats are the centerist party the issue is we don't have a party that is to the left or as he says left or right but forward okay so you're talking progress right uh-huh that's uh i think that's a wrap sir if that's what you're saying because if we're talking progress inherently we're talking about disrupting the status quo and you should be able to articulate things like rather than falling back on a tidy talking point like well the common sense consensus well if your party represents that then fucking say that right and what i just the problem is like you just there needs to be a party that's like okay we're not gonna fucking waffle it's like we need to go hard part like we go hard

we're not mincing words about shit like and that's what the republicans are right now but they're just going hard for fucking autocracy and the fucking christophascism well right there's there's a like whole middle like fuzzy middle part that is like traditional democrats and traditional like republicans and then there is like a fascist thing that is what like mega has become and that's it that's the entirety of like american political thought like those are your options nobody has articulated anything else other than you know like a handful of people who are not well i mean unless you're candidates unless you yourself are like reading like about like actually educating yourself like socialism and things like that i mean yeah there are there are many ways to look at you know how our country's operating

but i think because the ones that like you're saying those are the ones that are most readily available and overly represented for people are just like let me click on this news site right what do you guys think about like preferential voting? You know, when you like assign a party a number and you say, OK, I kind of like I'll give Democrats a three Republicans, a two and the Green Party a one. And you just like they calculate it that way. I think they do that in other countries. Yeah, do that. I mean, anything better than the two party system that we have right now, like that the current like winner take all thing and the current like entrenched Republican Democrat are, you know, like they make it that that would be great. I feel like the only way we see any third party is is if Trump is prevented from being the Republican nominee, then like comes through as a third party candidate and like something extreme and accidental and, you know, something that neither of the two major parties can deal with because right now like there's so the whole they are the entire system republican democratic party so like they're you can't you really can't do anything unless you already like have built in a majority of like you know just insane numbers or energy or or like that. I mean, I feel like the energy right now is with fucking organized labor. Right. That's something that is becoming increasingly more at the front of mind for American people,

especially working people. And we see a lot of people who are, you know, fighting to try and get equitable wages and benefits and things like that. And again, we always, always you know you always see like oh these these talking points work when you're like hey man you should be able to fucking live off of one job and shit like that but again the issue is you always have you're always going to go up against the donor class which are the people who cut the checks for the people whose vote you're trying to get and they're like hey man don't be don't talk that shit like you're

gonna fucking raise my taxes man man. Fuck out of here. Fucking, I'll wreck your whole shit with fucking, with attack ads. Come on now. You know what I, you know, I kind of hate the way that it's set up right now because it will split the vote like crazy. You know what I mean by splitting the vote? Like if we have people who are going to be looking at this long list of parties and they're going to be thinking, oh, well, I kind of, I'm not sure if I'm going to go left or super left or even more left, then that that'll split the vote. So I'm Egyptian and I was paying really close attention. And I think it was like 2012 when Egypt had like the first democratic election ever in its history,

right? Going all the way back to pharaonic times even. And the way that they did their election was kind of like what we do here where everybody's invited to make their own parties, right? But these two existing parties that were already, they had already a ton of support. I'm talking about the Muslim Brotherhood, which is like the theocratic conservative party, but then they also had the military, which is sort of the old regime, which is also like a super hardcore conservative party. So everybody who wanted to vote progressive or liberal, which when I was down there and was interviewing people in Tahrir Square, it was most people. Right. Nobody wanted the Muslim Brotherhood and nobody wanted the old government that they just revolted against. the Muslim Brotherhood and nobody wanted the old government that they just revolted against. And so they were just trying to argue over like, who is the better of these three different liberal parties? And so what happened in the end? The conservatives voted for the Muslim group,

the Muslim Brotherhood. The military people voted for the military group and they were all in line. They had their support. And then all the people voted for liberals which if you added up all those tallies they would have won they weren't even on the runoff they weren't even in the top two right you know what i mean it was like split between a hundred different parties and candidates and yeah exactly yeah and so all of the people that i when i was there and they were talking about oh who are you going to vote for this person or that person neither of them were ever heard from again, because they didn't even have that kind of support to compete with the government

or compete with the military or compete with the Muslim Brotherhood. So I'm almost like, I think we need to make up our mind. Do we want just the two parties? Are we going to vote fascism, yes or no? Or do we want that kind of parties are we going to vote fascism yes or no or do we want that kind of tiered system where we can say i'm going to give this one three points this one two

points this one five points and that way there's sort of at least like a second choice you know yeah it's like and at the end of the day like whenever i think about like yeah that would work and then i'm like but the second you give people the option to take a bite out of a corporation's ass and that's popular, like the amount of money that's spent to like defeat policies like that. I'm like, what's first? Like, do we just need to get the money out of politics first? You know, to even, to even have some semblance of a process that isn't completely tampered with by moneyed interest but on some level it always would be always be because you know our reliance on like the media and things like that but it's uh it's yeah a complex problem and yeah at the moment i think we're just stuck

with hey you want which old guy you want you want like kind of pick an old guy oh yeah exactly pick an old guy which one you want the one who's you know, kind of chill or the one who's definitely a fascist? And then you're like, what about like someone. Fascist or fascist light? Pick one. Right. Exactly. Right.

Right. Sugar free fascist. Citizens United is has been like a flashpoint on the left that I've seen at least some people rallying behind. I know the Bernie Sanders crowd was very in favor of repealing that. I would love to see more energy behind that. I think you're right. I do some of my own monitoring of the right-wing extremists,

and they hate money in politics just as much as a Bernie Sanders supporter would. And in fact, some of them love Trump so much because they see him as the anti-establishment candidate. Right. And right now they're doing a victory lap over Liz Cheney because they see him as old. Yeah.

Yeah. As the, as like the person that can get rid of some of these establishment types. Right. You know? So it's, I think one of the tweets that I saw from like this hardcore right person was, you know, because of Trump, we won't have a Bush or a Cheney in politics right now.

Right. And they see him as like that kind of politics vanquisher. And so I think if we can find a way to bring that to the forefront i think that would be a strong uniter i think you're onto something i'm just the one it's like the answer to every question we have you know like we talk about like well how come it's still being so hard for the you like this starbucks union push right now it's like well the fucking and like the national labor relations board is severely underfunded and they can't keep up with helping like workers organize when like that's the federal agency tasked with it

and you get why people will drag their heels as representatives of congress to not fund certain things because of how how the money flows and i'm like it answers so many questions and like i remember when i was working in politics i was like damn it's this fucking just in front of your face forward yeah it's like this motherfucker signs your biggest check so now all of your fucking energy goes into protecting this person's fucking business interests and then like meanwhile you just go you glad hand in your district and be like yeah maybe we'll build this community center and shit but no you're not you're gonna go because you've been paid to like vote a certain way on these like like 10 bills every year that really matter most to your donors and then you fucking go on with it and you don't and you you you save your time from having to actually fund

raise like small dollar donations because lobbyists come in with huge packaged donations from other moneyed interests and now you're like oh shit i'm set i got more no who's gonna try and fucking step to me in a primary i'll blow them out with the amount of cash i have because i'm backed by all this money and i think that's the one that's the only that's like i feel like without that piece being taken out there's absolutely no fucking way because they are they're always able to put their fingers and shit let's take a quick break we'll come back we'll we'll keep talking about this and uh what's happening with Starbucks. I'm Jess Casavetto,

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And we're back. And yeah, so let's talk about what's going on in Starbucks because we've been kind of covering the steady drip of like positive victories for unionization of various Starbucks stores across the country. Over 220 locations have voted to unionize, but big Howie Schultz is coming through and is just trying to you know flip the table basically and be like those votes don't count we gotta we gotta redo

the vote no fair is it's like playing a board game with a four-year-old and except the four-year-old's allowed to just flip the table over and be like all right we gotta start over again right and then fire you too you're like yeah i'm fired how but yeah i mean like you know those those those those votes to unionize are obviously just like a first step right and like you're saying fucking starbucks is like doing everything they can to like violate every conceivable conceivable labor law as they try to bust all these unions like that means spying on pro-union baristas firing them closing down the stores or denying raises to those workers basically you know it's all intimidation and again so like once this once any you know group of people they decide to unionize the next step is to have a first contract right is you have to to have a first contract,

right? Is you have to ratify your first contract. That's the moment when the baseline is set, where you've agreed, okay, this is the foundation of our agreement. Here are the wages, here's the structure, here are the benefits, here's the structure. But unfortunately, there's no real legal obligation for a corporation to begin talks once a store has decided to unionize, like within a defined period of time. I think the law is just something of like as long as it's in good faith quote unquote but we all know a corporation ain't got no good fucking faith so this allows for the fuckery since the goal of the corporation is to basically never agree to a first contract that's like they're like fuck all right well maybe they voted unionized but let's fucking try and do everything we can to make them be like, yo, this shit ain't worth it. This shit ain't worth it. This shit ain't worth it. Abandon it. And there's a write-up in Jacobin

just kind of like chronicling all this like multi-pronged issue right now with a lot of these workers unionizing and the push from Starbucks to, you know, like essentially try and kill the movement. So like, you know, the average time it takes between voting to unionize and the first contract is like 15 months. That's on average. Right. So it's within that time. That's when a lot of shit can they start violating you. Right.

Try and be like, oh, OK, so you want to do that, huh? Here comes retaliation. Straight up breaking laws. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. that huh here comes retaliation straight up breaking laws yeah yeah 100 starbucks has only began talks with three of those over 220 stores that have voted to unionize and in like again they're now they're sending their lawyers out like they've hired like the fucking like you know

michael jordan of union busting law for law firms to come through with all kinds of like legal delaying tactics. Or again, like I'm saying, like firing people, closing down their stores and doing all that shit. Luckily, workers know how to fight back through the strikes. You know, they're really there. I think right now they said they've held over 55 short-term strikes there's one that's like i think indefinite in boston that's been going on since mid-july and like this is all in response to being like yo you want a union bus watch this shit like we won't even fucking work and apparently that caused around almost four hundred thousand dollars in like lost revenue with these like little things popping up here and there but the thing, for in order for that to do that,

I think more American people need to realize that we have to support we have to be in solidarity with all of these workers who are trying to unionize right now, because right now the stakes are people at Chipotle, fucking medieval times, you name it. There are there are many, many places that are doing this. But the pushback from the corporations is is is massive because a lot of people saw Starbucks as like one of those first dominoes. They have so many stores that if people start unionizing there, that means a lot of other companies are going to have to be like, oh, shit. Now we got to do humane treatment. And, you know, when you put dominoes in the mind of a capitalist, that's bad news. If you're familiar with the rationale for Vietnam or the no idea, of course, the noid. But when they when they talk about something being a domino, they tend to take it very seriously. And yeah, man, it there's like a National Labor Relations Board that is supposed to be able to enforce some of these laws. Right. But it's like, you know, it's like the FDA. It's like any of the things that are supposed to look at nutrition in our country and like enforce nutritional standards that like they don't have any funding they're funded in the like hundreds of thousands of dollars and they're going up against multi-billion dollar corporations like that's how the thing has been built budget has not been increased since 2014 right you put inflation in

they're running at like they're like a three-fourths of their capacity at this point. And not to mention, right? And again, Starbucks is flooding the fucking zone with shit like Steve Bannon does. They're doing so many violations that just in like that Buffalo area where that first store decided to unionize, they got over 200 illegal violations they got to fucking sort through. Just in that area alone. Cause they're like, yeah,

watch and fucking deal with that. They don't, they don't got enough people to do all this shit. And they got to handle like trader Joe's Amazon, Apple, REI, all these other like private employers that are like also contending with union movements inside.

So because of that too, there's not even a mechanism that is even dissuading a company like starbucks starbucks from being like yeah man fuck this shit we can do whatever the fuck we want what they're gonna do with their three people so i mean we need to for real be boycotting starbucks right like straight up like that's oh yeah i mean that's that's step one you know what i mean like if you you gotta if you really want to if you really want to support these people there are uh there is a like a pledge you can sign but again it's really about like if you have a you know the ability to educate people and shit like that and know what the stakes are

is really getting engaged with that but yeah what are we saying amen i was saying like i love that defense being like well if we treat these people like humans then we can't be profitable it's like all right well then your business model's flawed then, right? I mean, isn't that how we should be thinking about it? I would love for some people to maybe even like put some political pressure on it. They like have like a baseline. I know it's not going to work. It's just like a fantasy.

But how amazing would it be if there was like a national push to get the federal government involved to regulate some of these business practices you know yeah it's insane or put a sexier number up for minimum wage right say minimum wage is 28 an hour yeah yeah that's minimum or anything if you're making less than that there's some sort of like there's some tax credit that you can get where they can help you get to that number you know what i mean yeah like say yeah like i would love for there to be some kind of way for the federal government to get involved and not just trying to shut these businesses down

because we don't want that either we want these jobs but at the same time we also want them to provide a their their basic function which is to help these people live a life. It's not fair that many people have to have at least two, three jobs, man. It's not fair. Yeah. I mean, you know, and that's the constant thing, right? The government could mandate something, but the people that are elected to do it,

if they're coming from the Washington area, they might have a lot of bucks money a lot of bucks bucks flowing through their coffers and then it it ends up muddying everything and muddies the process but yeah i mean it it you know we're just constantly being like kind of going back and forth we're trying to figure out like what is humane for us what isn't and to your point amen like amazon they at one of their warehouses they were trying to shut down a union drive the money they spent if they just invested that in the workforce the people wouldn't have been fucking complaining problem solved but again because they see it as like well long term if i gotta start paying people a lot of money or you know quote unquote it eats into the bottom line that means there's less less money for us to come up

with demonic facial recognition technology or whatever the fuck we're trying to sell to the pentagon it's just like i mean what is the counter argument right the counter argument is if we pay people here decent enough to survive then those businesses will just go overseas where labor is cheaper. Right. I think there should be some penalties for doing stuff like that. I think there should just be ways for the government where it's, I see this as the government's job. It shouldn't be on the workers to have to fight their own employers because it's an unfair fight. Right. Uh, what they're doing is amazing, but's it's not should it be on them to get the bare minimum yeah you know and sadly that's but i think that's the reality we've been in since time

immemorial in this place you know what i mean like it's there's always going to be like the robber baron class who doesn't give a fuck they're you know lighting cigars with stacks of money and you know it's meanwhile working people toil and are stuck in this like really fucked up cycle but it's the i guess the one interesting thing or the one heartening thing is that you see how many people are beginning to get in touch with the fact that this is an option that there is something they can do there is a way to organize again for sure whether or not that's the be all end all solution that's to be determined. But I think that's why it's really important for many people who, if you have the same

feeling, like you look at the world and you feel it's unjust and people aren't paid right. Like a decent wage, because you see everything's about protecting the profits and shareholder value. Then you got to really, you know, really look at this moment right now and figure out how you can support them. Because if this, if they're able to blunt this momentum, that would be, you know, really look at this moment right now and figure out how you can support them. Because if this if they're able to blunt this momentum, that would be I mean, it took like, you know, this like revival in organized labor. It was a long time coming and a lot of people felt very relieved. But again, they are spending a lot of money to ensure that it's no more than just like these couple hundred stores and they can, you know, flip the switch right back.

Yeah, it's these Gen Zers, man. They're not going to blunt that, dude. There's no more than just like these couple hundred stores and they can, you know, flip the switch right back. Yo, man, it's these Gen Zers, man. They're not going to blunt that, dude. There's no way. Like the fact that there's a labor shortage. Nah, man, these kids ain't playing. I know that. I'm just saying that like their whole shit of like the quiet quitting. We were talking about that on the Trends episode the other day of just like where they're like, yeah, my whole thing is like I'm not busting my ass more than I have to.

Fuck that. Right. Yeah. For nothing but why would you yeah but i was like indoctrinated with the idea like you do that to show your value to them and then maybe they will give you a little lick of a nutrient bar right to sustain your life and then they treat you inhumanely and then you work even harder yeah and i think that's the thing is like slowly generationally taking that shit out of your head because again we still look at this relationship between employer and employee i've been like oh my god thank you so much for even giving me a fucking job yeah yeah we're just happy to be in the room when that's just not even okay you know my cousin just quit his job he used to work at a pharmacy and we were all like proud of him, you know? You mean for being a pharmacist or for quitting his job? I was proud of him for getting a job in pharmacy, you know? Got it,

got it. Because before that he was doing like weird, you know, he was working at McDonald's for a while and not that there's anything wrong with it. We just, he had a college degree. So we were like, you should be doing something. We wanted him to think about a career you know but for him again nothing wrong with a career at mcdonald's either i'm not saying that i'm just saying uh we were putting pressure on him to to get a job in pharmacy whether you think that's healthy or not i don't know but that's what we did and when he didn't get a job in pharmacy he was like fuck this man we have to like show up and they say if we show up like three minutes late like three times in a row that's three strikes and we're fired and so he

just stopped going and he was like fuck this i quit and i was like confused i was like what the hell is wrong with you man like you need to you need to be disciplined you gotta if they need you to show up three minutes you gotta show up and he was like nah and he moved to south carolina and he just had got a bunch of roommates and he's he got another job doing something else and he's i've seen him on instagram he's living his life and i'm like fuck man i want to do that for him yeah you know he's like i'm gonna do he just went he just like left the country twice you still let him know that he brought shame on the family right you still still make sure you let him know like he fucked up yeah that's true great shame but it's it's coming out of a place of jealousy but these

young kids are not playing man yeah they they are connected to each other and to their own personal lives and well-beings in ways that i just don't even understand oh yeah and you know like they i'm i hate to general i must just keep talking about my cousin. He understands that life is bigger than money and life is bigger than housing. And all he wants to do is like travel. And so he got this raggedy ass car and he's just driving from place to place doing like, you know, I think he does like tutoring online doing like a,

just a couple of jobs here and there just to pay for gas and for the minimum foods. And he's happy as hell. Yeah. And I'm thinking over here, it's like, Oh, what about your 401k what about retirement what about all this you know and it's not even on his mind and i feel like a lot of gen zers are like that so these corporations uh they're they might think that they might have the upper hand but i don't know if that's true man if i could just get five minutes to talk to him about all the good things that wall street and the 401k

and all that shit have done for me and my family oh man but yeah i mean it just shows like right like every generation right we look at our parents and go i ain't doing that right you know what i mean that's just that's just the way life works like you're like that is too much right like what y'all were doing hell no and i think that's why people obviously be into, you know, like we were happier. Obviously, technologically, our lives are easier. But I'm sure with every subsequent generation, they look at something that is normal to the previous generations. And they're like, that is the most absurd shit I've ever heard of. The fuck are y'all talking about? And they're like, that is the most absurd shit I've ever heard of. The fuck are y'all talking about? And I know like me growing up, you know, the 80s baby in the 90s and shit like that. I was very much like, yeah, man, you got to go to college, get your job, do your thing and blah, blah, blah.

And life is like that. And it'll be fair. Then I graduate when the recession hits. And I'm like, you know, this none of this shit makes sense. But I'm still like using this like mindset of the, you know, worker like in America shit. And I'm like, it took me on a wild journey to the point where I'm like, maybe I just want to be creative. And that's where I landed. My parents didn't even spend 30 percent of their annual budget on avocado toast. You believe that?

What? I'm like, what is wrong with you? Get your credit register. Amen. Such a pleasure having you, as always. Yo, this is so much fun, man. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Well, they can find me on the blog.

I'm brought to market in Newark, New Jersey, anytime, anyplace. But you can also find me online on Twitter. I'm at amen.com, spelled out D-O-T-C-O-M. My first name is hard to spell, but if you just Google it and put Slate, I'm sure you will find it. But yeah, say hello, reach out. You can also send me comments

judging me for being an asshole older cousin, but you know, that's welcome too. Yeah, hit me up if you want a box, a PS5 box full of rocks. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Yeah, I was scrambling. I was scrambling while we were talking, trying to find a funny one. And I think I did.

I think I did. Hold on. Let me find one. Hold on. Let me look for one real quick. up let me let me find hold on let me look for one real quick i i he real chief says imagine in 2025 while putting on an outfit you find a mask in your pocket and then you say to yourself what a year that was and you smile then you put on your gas mask load your shotgun and go kill some zombies on the way to go get some milk at the grocery store. Ah, shit.

Those were the good old days. What if this is as good as it gets? Miles, where can people find you? What is a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me at Miles of Grey on Twitter and Instagram. Check out the latest episode of Miles and Jack Got Mad Boosties. It was a great one. Also, come check me out on

420 day fiance if you like 90 day fiance and you know 818 if you in the valley or you in la catch me live i'm doing a live show with the 818s and heartbreak podcast this saturday august 20th hit me up or you know check check my bios or their bios for that information to come check that out. It's going to be fun. Let's see. A tweet that I like. First one is from Sam Salisbury, at Samuel Salisbury, tweeted, Oh, the Sopranos cut to black at the end when you watched it? That's weird.

Mine ended with Tony Soprano congratulating me personally for understanding the show better than anyone else did. So stupid. And then Sarah Dutcher, it's Sarah Dutcher, tweeted, better than anyone else did. So stupid. And then Sarah Dutcher, it's Sarah Dutcher, tweeted, first draft of email.

Please fuck all the way off. Email sent. I apologize for any confusion. Yeah, you know, kind of switch it up sometimes. You've been there. You've been there. Eddie Pepitone tweeted,

You've hit bottom. You've tried Pilates. You joined a book club. You joined a hate group. You microdosed LSD. You took cold plunges. You read Truman Capote's In Cold Blood. You cut out sugar. Isn't it time you drove a Ford?

Ford, you'll be dead soon. Same, man. That's pretty good. That's a pretty good ad copy. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website,

DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes we link off the information we talked about today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles what song do you think people might enjoy i think you might enjoy this track from the shaolin afronauts this is a group of very, very, very talented musicians. I think they improvise like a lot of their songs, but I think maybe they start off improvising and then, you know, sort of whittle down the tracks from there. But they are, man, it's just got good,

you know, if you like jazz, you like Afrobeat, you like people who are just killing on their instruments. This is a great track. It's called Kilimanjaro from the Shaolin Afronauts. It's a wild mashup right there. But yeah this one out kill him in jarrow yeah that sounds very cool well the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you listen your favorite shows that's gonna do it for us this morning but we're back this afternoon to tell you what is trending

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