The Daily Zeitgeist - Another JD Vance Oopsie! Eyelashes R 4 WOMAN 04.16.25

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

In episode 1847, Jack and Miles are joined by co-host of Summer Album/Winter Album, Jody Avirgan, to discuss… JD Vance Literally Fumbling It, OBV IT’S GAY TO WASH YOUR ASS FELLAS, WHAT ABOUT THOSE EYELASHES THO? ALSO GAY? PROBABLY RIGHT? And more! JD Vance Literally Fumbling It (Clip) Insecure Men Are Shaving Their Eyelashes to Look ‘Less Feminine’ Is It Manly to Shave Off Eyelashes? A Barber's Perspective (Clip) Shaving Eyelashes: So this is really a thing I see now... (Clip) Another satisfied customer (Clip) LISTEN: Na boca do sol by Arthur Verocai WATCH: The Daily Zeitgeist on Youtube! L.A. Wildfire Relief: Displaced Black Families GoFund Me Directory See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

And I got you guys back. I figured it out. Nice. You never lost us. We were actually carrying you all along. Jody. And you were nested with those times when there was only one set of footsteps. That was miles of me carrying you miles was carrying me.

And then I was carrying you like, Like children stacked in a trench coat. Is that like the closest thing to like a Jesus human centipede? Multiple people carrying each other, like on a beach. The video's running so we have to make some weird Jesus clips. Every time we get on video. Dude, it's the whole, it's his week. It's his week. You know, that's right.

The championship is back in the Bay for the first time in 40 years. On the new limited podcast series, Dub Dynasty, we hear from head coach Steve Kerr on how Steph Curry almost never even joined the Warriors. In fact, I thought we had a draft date deal to end up getting him to Phoenix for the entire behind the scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run. Listen to Dubb dynasty on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey kids, it's me Kevin Smith. And it's me Harley Quinn Smith. wherever you get your kid. It could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're

still figuring it out. It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless, ****less me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. You get your podcast. The number one hit podcast, The Girlfriends, is back with something new, The Girlfriends Spotlight, where each week you'll hear women share their stories of triumph over adversity. You'll meet June, who founded an all-female rock band in the 1960s. I might as well have said, we're going to walk on the moon.

But she showed them who's boss. They would rush up and say, not bad for chicks. Come and join our girl gang. Listen to The Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm ready to fight. Oh, this is fighting words. Okay, I'll put the hammer back. Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a bestselling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back.

Part of the power of black queer creativity is the fact that we got us, you know? We are the greatest culture makers in world history. Listen to Fighting Words on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. wherever you get your podcast. Hello, the internet and welcome to season 384, episode three of Dirt Eyelids, I got it! A production of iHeart Radio. That's right.

I'm back. Woo. I'm back, baby. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Wednesday, April 16th, 2025. That can't be right, Miles. Yeah, it is. Miles, it can't be right.

It is. I know you're experiencing a severe time dilation via jet lag, but it also is April 16th. Shout out all the banana lovers. It's your day, but the tariffs might fuck up the prices. National Banana Day. It's also National Bean Counter Day because I think this is for all the CPAs out there. You get, they get to relax as it were since tax day was yesterday. National Orchid Day.

National Healthcare Decisions Day. National Wear Your Pajamas to Work Day. There it is. April 16th. Yeah. Fuck man. I didn't know. Oh, Eggs Benedict Day too.

If you like eggs benny. Eggs benny? Yeah, it's your day too baby. That's the only benny's's I care about I just want my job to give me eggs Benedict and what about the Benny's Oh No, no, no Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien aka Mar Mar Mar My name is Jack O'Brien aka Mar Mar Mar he's one shitty old white That's a once bitten twice shy great white aka from Halcyon salad great white miles you ever

Listened to great white. Do you remember them? They were probably a little before wait Didn't they have that concert all those people died? Yeah, that was kind of their main thing. That's that's only I'm like dad That's the concert you got in like, that's the concert. You got on board hard after that, which is a little weird. Yeah, that was when I was like. You're like, dude, now we're talking death metal. That's fucking rock and roll right there. Yeah, what a tragedy.

But also the idea that if you, it's only your age that determines whether you were a huge great white fat or not. Right. The assumption being anyone over the age of a certain age was gonna be all on board. Yeah, exactly. If you had, if you were around, it doesn't matter if you had good taste or bad.

Everyone was a great white fan. I was both very temporarily into metal and also into sharks. And I didn't even fuck with great white. That's how good they were. Anyways, Halcyon salad on the discord in reference to the news that just broke that Bill Maher sucks. I leave the country for two weeks. Yeah.

I come back. My hero Bill Maher says Donald Trump is his friend. I know. Well, at least at least the tattoo you got of his face, it can kind of look more like a jigsaw from Saw, if you kind of alter it a little bit. Yeah, it was just a little bit. Turn it into a dog. Isn't that what Sylvester Stallone did?

A basset hound? Yeah, yeah. Wait, what did Sylvester Stallone do? I think Sylvester Stallone had a tattoo of one of his exes turned into a dog, like his current dog. Hell yeah. Where my dog at? Got a dog in him. Anyways, thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Yes, back in his rightful co-host seat, it's Miles Gray, aka.

Ain't no lunchtime, Dinu Guan. Only pancit on my plate. Ain't no lunchtime dinner guan. And this rice is all alone. Guess I'll have care care. Some halo, halo, halo, halo. Okay, shout out Salvador Jolly there. Look, yes, prop was on. We were talking about Filipino cuisine and there it is.

Salvador Jolly, Thank you for that. Wonderful. AKA. You hit those notes. Swish. That was good. Swish on performance. Swish on the writing, execution.

Thank God. I'm just trying to keep my job. From the logo. Trying to keep my job. Trying to keep my job. Strong work. That is in your quarterly performance reviews. Yeah.

They put an eggs benedict in front of you and ask you to sing. And if you hit the high note, they slide it slightly closer. Perfect. And I'm like, and what about money? No, no, no, no, no. Sing your Bill Withers parody song and eat your Benedict. All you can eat buffets. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a podcaster extraordinaire. French for extraordinary.

That's not right. You know him from this day in esoteric political history on Radio Topia. He's also hosted 30 for 30 on ESPN, the FiveThirtyEight Politics Podcast, a lead producer on the puzzler. You know him, you love him folks. It's Jody Averygan! Thank you very much. And you know what?

No. Jack, I've made your life a little easier going forward. We changed the name of the show from this day in esoteric political history to just this day, because I was sick of in part saying the very long name over and over and over. This day. The show is called This Day. Oh, this day? Oh, let me tell you about it.

Which one? This one. Exactly. Well, that's the question we try and answer. But anyway, it is a thrill to be back with you about it. Which one? This one. Exactly. Well, that's the question we try and answer. But anyway, it is a thrill to be back with the two. Great to have you. Well, we're thrilled to have you, Jody.

How have you been? Other than shortening the title of your podcast, is that mainly what you've been up to? Yeah, it took a lot. We had to go letter by letter. Finally pulled the trigger on it. Yeah. We've been only thinking about shortening the name of this one just to the daily. Yeah.

What do we think? That's the other one. That's true. Barbaro. Yeah. Did it? Um, oh, yeah. We were like, and then we were like, I guess the New York Times is trying to get in on

the game. Yeah. We'll see how this goes. Yeah. Yeah. See how it goes. How do the two of you answer the, how are you doing question? on the game. Yeah, we'll see how this goes. Yeah, yeah. See how it goes. How do the two of you answer the,

how are you doing question? Do you have an elegant way to be like, aside from all of that stuff? Here's an actual answer. I do because my house burned down in a fire. So I do that. I go, all things considered on NPR? Yeah, I'm doing okay.

All things considered on NPR, Terry Gross, my house burned down. This just, I try not to be all things considered a lot. I do the like asterisks, you know, given, you know, asterisks, asterisks, asterisks. I'm doing pretty well. Honestly, just, I've just been, I've just become more honest. I just go, honestly, not good. Yeah. And then, you know, then people go, yeah, me too.

It's I think more people end up being like, no, I get, I feel that. I feel that. Then we're nearly like, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. You know, it's fucked. There we go. I just usually, I usually spell thriving out in all caps is what I, is how I answer that. All right, Jody, we're thrilled to have you.

We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell the listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. It's just gonna be catching up on what I missed. Sounds like JD Vance is bad at picking up football trophies. Objects, just in general. Objects, yeah, not only does it look like he's never hoisted a trophy, it looks like he's never picked up a thing before.

Or interacted with human beings. Yeah. Human beings or physical objects. He has like, it showed that he's kind of used to like gesturing at something for like a servant to do it. And he's like, Oh, would you mind moving that? Thank you. for a, like a servant to do it.

And he's like, Oh, would you mind moving that? Thank you. And then obviously anytime he tries to work with the servant, he fucked it up catastrophically. All right. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the latest trend in masculinity, which is getting your eyelashes edged up. Edged off.

Edged off. You have really found some gems for today. Yeah, exactly. They're on a roll. Masculinity in crisis. JD Vans can't lift object. Man can't have eyelash or woman? That's right.

Yeah. All of that, plenty more, but first Jodie, we do like to ask our guests, what is something that you have been searching on this bean counter day? What's something from your search history that you're telling about who you are? Well, recently in my search history, so I have a show that I just launched. I don't know if I've been on since I launched the show, but I launched a music show called Summer Album, Winter Album, which I'm very excited about. I should have you guys on at some point, but the premise is that all albums are either summer albums or winter albums.

Interesting. And then we take favorite albums of ours and debate. And so I was chatting with my co-host, who's this guy, Craig Finn, who's the lead singer of the band The Hold Steady and just a fantastic musician, very thoughtful guy. Yeah. We were chatting yesterday about his new album, and I was trying to get him to classify it as a summer album or winter album.

And we were talking about some of the influences and we were talking about Tom Petty's album, Damn the Torpedoes, which is a great album. And he said was a big influence on his new record. And he like mentioned his favorite Tom Petty song. And I had this moment where I was like, oh, this is great. I'm going to trot out this line that I've had for a while about my favorite Tom Petty song, which is a little more obscure. And it's one of those moments that I like to have where I'm like, well, you know what actually is the best Tom Petty song?

It's this one. And I could not conjure it in that moment. I was like, fuck me. Like not only, you know, I mean, I do genuinely like the song, you know, but I just could not remember the name of it. Any lower. Exactly. I'm pre-balling. I do genuinely like the song, you know, but I just can't remember the name of it. Any lower. Exactly.

I'm pre-balling? So in real time, I was trying to like, remember what it was. I couldn't, so I didn't throw that anecdote in there. I didn't get my little like, you know, music nerd moment. And then I spent the afternoon trying to remember and Google. The name of your favorite Tom Petty song? The name of my favorite Tom Petty song? I'm pretty sure that's, so literally in my search history, it says like favorite Tom Petty song? The name of my favorite Tom Petty song? Damn. I'm pretty sure that's- so literally in my search history it says like,

Tom Petty song that has you in the title. Because I'm almost positive that has the word you in it, but none of the some ones that came up have the word you. So I feel like an idiot for this. What about you don't know how it feels or that one's just called How It Feels? No, that's called You Don't Know How It Feels and I think- and that's a great song. But I don't think that's the one. And I just couldn't, I listened to every Tom Petty song

that has you in the title. And I was like, maybe this isn't it. And then I'm like, maybe my little anecdote isn't about Tom Petty. Maybe it's some other artists who I like to think that this little, like, that's actually the best song. And I just like tied myself in knots.

And then I had a moment where I was like, how wonderful is it that I can still have these moments where information is just, I can't access it. It's just not there. I can search, I can go online. It used to be the case. It used to be the case when you couldn't remember something, you just kind of like, that was it. That was your life. You didn't know that. It's just such a funny moment to me. Do you think it's because Google uses AI now and Google sucks? I tried AI too.

Because Google uses AI now and Google sucks? Or you think it's just- I tried AI too. Yeah. It's the one that's like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da isn't about Tom Petty, maybe it's some other artists. But maybe it's about something deep inside Jody. Maybe that's what this whole thing is about anyway. Early onset Alzheimer's. I love the idea that you have that fear constantly. Wherever you lose words and I'm just like, fuck, here it goes. It's just like the idea of talking about-

But I did love that there was like, there's information out there that I can't actually, with the internet, even with the internet, work my way towards. And I've come to be at peace with that. And actually it's kind of lovely. I love the idea that you're talking about Tom Petty with somebody and then it's kind of like, yeah, man, I love petty too. You know, my favorite, that's a great one, but the best one. And they're like, yeah, which one? No, I didn't get to that point. I just like it playing out like that. Wiley Coyote out over the Grand Canyon. And you know the one that I really love is full sweat.

Which one, man? Yeah, go ahead. Love to hear it. The premise for your new podcast is so good. I do need to hear some examples and I also want to, I'm a hold, I'm specifically a big fan of the Hold Steady album, Separation Sunday. Yeah, great album. Well, Craig is great. Is that a winter or a summer album? Oh, that's interesting. Well, it start, doesn't that start with the song Constructive Summer?

But Craig has talked on our show about how with that album, we haven't done that as a proper episode, but he's, he's mentioned that album a few times in that for musicians, sometimes when, you know, if you record an album in the dead of winter, but then you're touring it in the summer. So there's like a lot of different ways in which it could be imprinted on your head. And that's the kind of like thing I love about this show is just like, there are a lot of different ways in which an album could be coded for you as summer or winter. Is it something about your experience or is it something about intrinsic in the album itself?

We end up exploring a lot of that stuff. But yeah, it's really fun. It's been very fun to make. What's the Tupac album? Not All Eyes on Me, but Me Against the World. No album more clearly evokes a time and place for me than that album. I just was listening to it nonstop in eighth grade in Kentucky,

right as school was getting out and I was going into summer. I can still smell the air of that time when I hear that album. But the album when you listen to it is like kind of like I feel like it's not really a warm weather Album based on the music. I've always thought that like it's a it's a weird contrast in that But I love the premise great premise for for a pocket if you want to come on and argue and argue that that's a winter Album, I would love that. Yeah. Yeah. Miles, you have a favorite summer winter album? Uh, summer or winter album. I mean, I love J Dilla's donuts.

And I would say that for me is winter just because just the background of the making of that album is so like sort of emotional and not grim necessarily, but tragic that, and also just, I don't know, it's, I don't know, that album sounds better to me in the cold too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like Wu Tang albums are mainly winter albums for me. Yeah. Well, I mean, when we've talked about, we haven't done a hip hop album yet, but when we do, we've talked a little bit about, it might be a little trickier, especially because it does feel like West coast. It's hard to argue winter and East coast, like Illmatic, just, you know, there's all these New York albums that feel so dead winter, but maybe, you know, Chicago or

Atlanta, you know, like those outcast albums feel warm. They feel warm, but you could argue that. This is our album. Yeah. Anyway, so, so we got to, you know, some albums, I mean, most albums I think you can sort of impose this lens on and because a lot of it is about your personal experience, but there's some albums where you're just kind of like, ah, that wouldn't make that interesting of a conversation.

Like that's pretty clearly a summer album. We're pretty clearly right. Yeah. I feel like most golden era New York hip hop, it feels like the aesthetic is I'm seeing your breath as you wrap. I'm wearing the Timberlands and the puffy coat and I'm standing on the floor. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Jody, what's something you think is underrated? I think ginger chews are underrated. You know about ginger chews? Love ginger chews. You love a ginger chew? I've got a couple in my pocket. I might eat one. It might not, maybe not great for that. But okay, so I've been obsessed with ginger chews. You love a ginger chew? I've got a couple in my pocket. I might eat one and might not not maybe not great for that.

But okay. So I've been obsessed with ginger chews. I've been eating probably like 30 a day and in part, well, so I think they're underrated. I think they're on the come up and in part, because I like to keep track of what I call fancy bodega watch, which is like, what are the things that are starting to show up on that one shelf in my fancy, in the fancy bodega, my neighborhood, you know, is that one up on that one shelf in my fence in the fancy, but I get my neighborhood, you know,

there's that one cooler and that one shelf by the checkout that are always seemed to be rotating and stuff needs to be coming into fashion and out of fashion. Like the cooler, I, I would love to do like an oral history of like that one cooler that's seen at all. It's like, I lived through the vitamin water days. I lived through the days. Now it's Arizona Arizona. Yeah. You know, and now it's Arizona iced tea. Yeah. You know, and now it's like those electrolyte drinks and the Celsius, you know, had a moment. And then on the shelf, I noticed just a couple of weeks ago, it just felt like they took down,

I think it was like all the plantain chips disappeared and the ginger chutes moved in. And now there's like nine different kinds of ginger chutes, the ginger chute takeover. And it worked on me. It worked on me. They're nice. They're, they're warming. They're good for your stomach. We, we have them around a lot because my youngest gets a lot of motion sickness.

And that's one of the things that we'll give him when he's feeling motion sickness. Is your consumption more like, you like utilitarian, like it's, it's that it's doing something or it is enjoyable. Cause I feel like every time I've had a ginger chew, it's also been like, Oh, this will help your stomach kind of thing. And I'm like, Oh yeah, this is great. And it's pleasant, but then I don't find myself always being like, Hey, man, I need another ginger chew. Well, if they're around, then you just find yourself eating them nonstop.

And then you can convince yourself, Oh, the reason I don't have a stomach ache. Eight, nine more ginger juice this morning. But yeah, there's a little orange, orange flavored one. Would be on fire if I didn't have my 14 ginger chews in my mouth simultaneously right now. Lemon flavored ginger juice. So they're making like varieties. Yeah.

Yeah. Combine them. Great. We've got a little citrus ginger get down. Any other fancy bodega predictions coming our way? I think the Celsius era is over. So I'll be curious to see what moves in next. That was just because they were just like, here's a drink that has 250 grams of cat

milligrams of caffeine. It was four luck all over again. Yeah. Yeah. So I wonder if that is a trend that we'll keep on or if they'll be like, here's a bottle of water and two no-dos. Yeah. Have a blast. What's, what's something you think's overrated?

Well, this one I'm curious your thoughts on, but my overrated is, uh, is Maga. So here's, here's, here's something I've been talking about and no yes magazines uh no here's something I've been thinking about and I actually would love your love your thoughts but you know on my history podcast this day we did an episode right before inauguration where we were chatting a little bit about kind of the present moment and I said then and I think I kind of feel like I was right I said then, and I think I kind of feel like I was right. I said then whether I was wondering whether the window between Trump's second election and inauguration was the high watermark for the kind

of cultural cache for Trump world. And purely in a cultural sense, you know, that was when it was like, felt coolest, felt edgiest, like, let's take a chance, let's roll the dice. And a lot of people I know who voted for Trump, like that was kind of the vibe in those last couple weeks heading into the election, you know, it's just like, well, let's, let's see, you know, this feels this feels cool. Which I think is a big part of how people make political decisions. And I just

feel like in the last couple weeks, for some maybe for obvious reasons, just the cool factor is last couple of weeks, for some, maybe for obvious reasons, just the cool factor is gone. I mean, it's gone. And, you know, I think a lot of the people I know who were the like, anti-left heterodox thinker types who found themselves voting for Trump, or at least flirting with that, like, they're kind of horrified by what Musk is doing. And then more of her by what happened to their portfolios over the last few weeks. But you know, like, some guy went on Joe Rogan, and like kind of called him out and was like, what's going on here? Like I'm just seeing like the cracks seem to be forming in a way from a cultural sense. Like I'm not trying to say that like the real fallout of Mago world is not real, but the cool factor seems to be disappearing. And the sort of knockoff to this is,

I've also been thinking about how like, Mark Zuckerberg looks like the biggest doofus in the world. Like that guy, no one has ever bought high more than Mark Zuckerberg, like showing up in that chain and talking about masculine energy, like at the very, very, very peak moment that I feel like the wind started shifting two weeks later. And I just look back at it and I'm like,

oh man, like you really, what a torque. Yeah. I mean, he was like, he was getting into UFC, the evolution of Zuck, the thing you gotta understand about the evolution of Zuck is. The second he did join the Jits Mob, it was over. When he got into Jiu Jitsu, I was like, Oh, you're the Jets mob now.

I don't know. Now, masculinity in crisis, perhaps. But he'll just switch back. I mean, he'll be probably. And this is a controversial. He'll take the chain. Billionaire will probably be fine. Yeah. I think he'll. I don't know. Do you feel like the vibes have shifted?

Am I am I is this wishful thinking on my part? I mean, I think just from watching, I mean, I think just the last few weeks with the tariffs, I think it's especially been pronounced because a lot of the influencers, especially online, who were like, yeah, man, it's Trump, baby, let's do this. Because right after the election, everyone got their bump and their crypto and stuff and all these mouthpieces that like the Dave Portnoy's and the Aiden Ross's of it all were like, yeah, dude, this is what I'm talking about. And then then came reality. And now all these guys like, what the fuck is going on? And I think that's that's like, I think that's like sort of the first layer. Then I also think like the Tesla of it all has also brought to the surface like this idea that suddenly now the sort of ideology that was screaming about how dumb electronic electric vehicles are, are suddenly like caping for them and being like the cyber truck's actually really sick.

It's just like you see a lot of these like even comedians online are like, dude, this the truck fucking sucks. It looks stupid. Like, why are people even like pretending So that right wing art form comedians, which I feel like that is like now the thing that. No, but like, like what is, like, what is, I would love to hear what like Theo von really feels like right now, you know, cause that guy clearly I think was just like, oh, this feels cool. All my friends are doing this. Let me get on board in the last few weeks and sort of shift.

And I wonder if he's just like, what? He's just a useful idiot. It's not what I signed up for. Yeah. I feel like a lot of those guys, you know, that Pete Davidson character on SNL who's just like following, like the girls like put this on. He's like, okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Just like says, okay, to whatever people are. I feel like that's him. That's like Rogan in a lot of cases. They're just what you put somebody in front of them saying a thing. They're like, yeah, that's interesting, man. That's interesting because I was doing some research.

Yeah. Even with Theo Von, one of his recent episodes, I saw a clip from it and they were talking about the tariffs, and he was just confused. He's like, why would they do? I don't get it. It's like, isn't this like bad? Like, and before I think a lot of these people who would just be like, yeah, everything's good.

Everything's great. This is the way to go. They're now they're kind of falling into this bucket. Like at best they're like, I think he knows what he's doing, but like, this doesn't make sense to me. And then you have the people who are like, fuck all this. I'm not, I'm seeing less and less of like the people fully come out, at least in from like that Manosphere area that got a lot of attention where they're like, you know, this is it, this is the, this is the way.

I did have the question heading into this presidency of like, how are these people who are like edge Lord, you know, mega fans going to continue to be edge lords when Trump is president? Like how, how do you just like tune in every day and be like, I think the president's doing a good job. I think he's cool. But like now, like the presidency is going so badly. Like, I feel like maybe they can continue to be edge lords because it's like such a

counterfactual take to be like, yeah, I don't know. I think he's doing a great job. But yeah, the degree to which they have to whiplash what they support, like on it from day to day is probably a little bit deflating. Yeah. I mean, my friend Nicole Hammer, who's the co-host on my history show and is like a historian, but she really watches right-wing spaces. Bless her heart, she listens to like hours of right-wing talk and sort of watches this

stuff every day. And she's like, there are very few, even the like pure uncut MAGA folks, there are very few like defenses of the tariff policy and even the Doge stuff, and it is entirely, do you trust Trump? That is the safe haven still left. And I mean, that's pretty powerful, and so it might still work. But even that doesn't feel like Trump's cool and doesn't it feel great to own the libs. That just seems to have evaporated.

Or it's definitely diminishing returns. And so who knows? I mean, I don't know what that means for coming next, but I don't know if the pendulum swings all the way back to, you know, DEI is cool. But you know, but it is it that's that's that's my that's my overrated. I think like yeah, I'm eating Magas. I'm buying low on mega.

I think they're going through a rough patch, but buying the dip. Huh? I'm buying that to a, can you pass the guac because I am buying that dip. Yeah. Buy that dip, man. Load one up. There we go. But they put a ginger chew in there.

Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about JD Vance and his ability to pick up physical objects. We'll be right back. I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dove Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State Warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade. The Golden State Warriors once again are NBA champions. From the building of the core that included Clay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions

in the history of the sport. I just felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down. Today, the Warriors dynasty remains alive, in large part because of a scrawny 6'2 hooper who everyone seems to love. For what Steph has done for the game,

he's certainly on that Mount Russmore for guys that have changed it. Come revisit this magical Warriors ride. This is Dubb Dynasty. The Dubb's dynasty is still very much alive. Listen to Dubb Dynasty on is still very much alive. Listen to Dubb dynasty on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey kids, it's me, Kevin Smith.

And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith. That's my daughter, man, who my wife has always said is just a beardless, d***less version of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless D***less Me. I'm the old one. I'm the young one. And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it?

Lot of cussing, lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. It could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out. It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless D***less Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever.

You get your podcasts. On November 5th, 2018 at 6.33 a.m. A red Volkswagen Golf was found abandoned in a ditch out in Sleephole Valley. The driver's seat door was open. No traces of footsteps leaving the vehicle. No belongings were found except for a cassette tape lodged in the player. On that tape were ten vile, grotesque, horrific stories that to this day have been kept restricted from the public. Until now. No way!

You feeling this too? A horror anthology podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Are your ears bored? Yeah. Are you looking for a new podcast that will make you laugh, learn, and say que? Yeah! Then tune in to Locatora Radio Season 10 today. Okay! I'm Dioza.

I'm Mala. The host of Locatora Radio, a radiophonic novella, which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast We're launching this season with a mini-series Totally nostalgic a four-part series about the Latinos who shaped pop culture in the early 2000s It's Lala checking in with all things y2k 2000s my favorite favorite memory, honestly, was us having our own media platforms like Mundos and MTV3.

You could turn on the TV, you see Thalia, you see JLo, Nina Sky, Evie Queen, all the girlies doing their things, all of the beauty reflected right back at us. It was everything. Tune in to Locatora Radio Season 10. Now that's what I call a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10. Now that's what I call a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get

your podcasts. And we're back. We're back. And JD Vance, if he had ever watched a football game, might've noted that what he did yesterday was a bit of a fumble fumble, fumble, Ruskie on his behalf, but this is, I mean, it was a big moment for him. He's a famous Ohio native. His Ohio state Buckeyes won the national football championship and it's,

everything came together. He was there to greet them at the white house and pretty much nailed it. Right. I didn't, I didn't see the video of the actual event, but it seems- We'll, we'll, we'll pull up the Zapruder film in a moment, but yeah. I mean, what better way for the, the Ohio State Buckeyes to celebrate their championship than to go meet two dipshits who know nothing about football But yeah, I mean, what better way for the, the Ohio state Buckeyes to celebrate their championship than to go meet two dipshits who know nothing about football and Trump

and Vance. I'm sure that was great for them. But I think one thing about JD Vance is his near cosmic ability to self-own whenever there are cameras around. And this occasion was no different. So like, you'll hear this clip, The Marine Corps band is like squeaking out we are the champions. JD Vance attempts to lift the championship trophy

and just makes a total fucking mess. It feels like a comedic bit almost how comical this fumble is. But here's JD Vance and he's about to lift the trophy. He's got the base. How do I hold this fellas? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Back into the left. Yes. Right here. Do you have your telestrator here? Yeah. Yeah. So right around here. Come on, come on, John Madden.

Okay. He's doing a couple of things. He doesn't seem to know how gravity works at this point. Because he's like dragging it across, like he doesn't know to pick it up, that you want to like put your hands on the sides and pull upwards. He's just kind of moving it across and Boy, how many times did he break grandmother's urn with all her ashes in it? It feels like I gotta say I gotta say this guy in the tan suit is getting off scott free cuz he played a part Yeah, yes. I will say also the structural integrity of the tro's a counter force. Hey, we can just call him Barack Obama.

Okay. Okay. Not on my watch. Would he be allowed to wear a suit like that? I mean, I think the reason too is interesting because a lot of people are like, he broke the trophy. And as much as I'd love to say that it's not totally accurate because the trophy is like, it's made of two pieces.

There's this base and then that's the base and then the trophy itself, which looks like a gold plated Taki. That's the actual trophy. And because Vance has no idea like about that he tried lifting like both at the same time. And I think that's where like the player was like, nah, bro, this is the act like just lift the fucking trophy. Like, have you seen any photos of a college team that won this trophy? They're not like, they'll hold the base at the presentation,

but when they're parading it around, they're usually just holding the fucking gold part. And I think that's what he was like, whoa, what do you do? Oh, okay. You want to slide the base off? Go ahead, sir. Go ahead. This is just like a concentrated shot of everything that was on display in that donut. You know, where he went in to order donuts. It was just evident that he had not ordered anything or interact. At first you're like, does he not know what a donut is? Then you're like, does he not know how to talk to humans? Yeah.

Who's the least nightmarish of the nightmare blunt rotation in the mega world, do we think? Yeah, it's the least nightmarish of the nightmare blunt rotation in the, in the MAGA world, do we think? It's a tough one. Stephen Miller would be great to get high. Oh, I would be here. It would all come out. I would hate that one friend that like you'd like to fuck with.

Everyone kind of likes to fuck with. Oh yeah. It'd be great. Yeah. Yeah. There was like a kid, I remember in high school, we got him high and he, he was like his first time he like hid in the back of my friend's like pathfinder and he was like, bro, we gotta get out of here. And I'm like, how do I wear? And he heard a his first time, he like hid in the back of my friend's like Pathfinder. And he was like, bro, we got to get out of here. And I'm like, out of where?

And he heard a helicopter go by. He's like, they're looking for us, man. My dad's going to ground me. I'm like, oh damn. And that little boy was. Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller.

Yeah. My dad thought there was no looking back from there. Yeah. I mean, so my, my good friend, Bill Maher actually said Trump is pretty chill to hang with. Right. I mean, speak of Theo von, and by the way, this is now a Theo von recap podcast. But his interview with Trump was hilarious.

I think Trump would be entertaining to be in the same room with if you weren't, you know, being physically revolted by the fact that he's a racist Nazi. Well, that's, yeah, because that's the part that happens when all the time we get like those quotes out of him, like, I fucking hate that I'm laughing at this piece of shit, but there's just something fucking so goofy about it, I can't help but laugh when I mean, like everything's computer. Everything's computer is on the fucking Mount Rushmore for me.

That is, that was so good. Wow. Incredible. Everything. I mean, that's why like he was able, you know, I mean, not to rehash the, the horrors of the last election, but it's like a lot of these right wing, uh, podcast folks, the Rogans and the Theo Vons and the milk boys and so forth.

I mean, I think their politics were moving in a direction, but mostly they, they had Trump on because like they knew that they could chop it up for two hours and not feel super awkward. And then the Democrats were like, how about this person? It's like, I don't know. This isn't a good hang. So, yeah, I think that's the easy part about being a Republican right now is you don't have to fake anything.

You can just be so out there with your backwards ideas. Whereas the Democrats are so like in their heads about triangulating and presenting and revoking the right shibboleths at the right time that like they don't, they're not going to come off in the way that they would be open to like talking about cocaine and that's, you know, I will say it's a long ways to go, but that is starting to change. And I mean, it's, it's too little too late, but I, and maybe this is the flip side to what I was talking about earlier about the cool coming off of my Maga a

little bit, I do think at least some democratic channels are starting to realize like, yeah, we just have to be more nimble. Cory Booker gave that thing and then was on like six different podcasts and like Instagram shows afterwards. So take the zeitgeist challenge. Come on and talk about cocaine. That's right.

You want to win the people back. Open invitation, any sitting Senator, come on. Let's talk about how fucked up you've gotten ever. Senators who've done cocaine one through 50. Let's go. Yeah. Kamala Harris talk about smoking weed at one point. I feel like it was like, it was like one of the characters.

Yeah, but she did it in a way. She's like, I'm Jamaican. Right. And it was sort of like, okay. Like you're saying, of course I smoke weed because I'm Jamaican. You know what I mean? It was like, okay. You're saying, of course I smoke weed because I'm Jamaican is different. Again, this is an era where people are like, if I said I've ever done a drug, that's it for me. They got rid of Howard Dean for screaming loud.

All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about the latest trends and eyelashes. We'll be right back. I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State Warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade. The Golden State Warriors once again are NBA champions. From the building of the core that included Clay Thompson

and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport. I just felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down. Today, the Warriors dynasty remains alive, in large part because of a scrawny 6'2 Hooper who everyone seems to love.

For what Steph has done for the game, he's certainly on that Mount Russmorph or guys that have changed it. Come revisit this magical Warriors ride. This is Dubb Dynasty. The Dubb's dynasty is still very much alive. Listen to Dubb Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey kids, it's me, Kevin Smith.

And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith. That's my daughter, man, who my wife has always said is just a beardless, d***less version of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless, Dickless Me. I'm the old one. I'm the young one. And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it?

A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out. It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless, Dickless Me on the iHeart radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever. You get your podcasts. Are your ears bored? Yeah. Are you looking for a new podcast that will make you laugh, learn and say, que? Yeah.

Then tune in to Locatora Radio season 10 today. Okay. I'm Diossa. I'm Mala. The host of Locatora Radio, a radio phonic novella. Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast. We're launching this season with a mini series, Totally Nostalgic, a four part series about the Latinos who shaped pop culture in the early 2000s.

It's Lala checking in with all things Y2K 2000s. My favorite memory honestly was us having our own media platforms like Mundos and MTV3. You could turn on the TV, you see Talia, you see JLo, Nina Sky, Evie Queen, all the girlies doing their things, all of the beauty reflected right back at us. It was everything. Tune in to Locatora Radio Season 10. Now that's what I call a podcast.

Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sonoro and iHeart's My Kultura podcast network present The Setup, a new romantic comedy podcast starring Harvey Guillen and Christian Navarro. The Setup follows a lonely museum curator searching for love. But when the perfect man walks into his life,

Well, I guess I'm saying I like you. You like me? He actually is too good to be true. This is a con. I'm conning you to get the Delano painting. We could do this together. To pull off this heist, they'll have to get close and jump into the deep end together.

That's a huge leap, Fernando, don't you think? After you, Chulito. But love is the biggest risk they'll ever take. Fernando is never going to love you as much as he loves this dog. ["The Last Post-Credit Scene"] Chulito, that painting is ours. Listen to The Setup as part of the MyCultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio

app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We're back. And how's the, how are men doing? How are men? I've been out of the country for a couple's the, how are men doing? How are men? I've been out of the country for a couple of weeks. How are men doing? They figure everything out in America?

It's a weekly check-in, I think, on this show at this point with, how are y'all, how are we doing out there, boys? How we doing, fellas? Last week, there was the Nazi pastor who thought the TSA scanner was a gay beam that somehow would take away his ability to suppress his own sexuality or some shit.

Uh, now I'm seeing a trend about guys shaving off their eyelashes because they're, if they're too long, they're feminine, they want to look more masculine and nothing looks more masculine than having no eyelashes. Yes. Is the logic here. I love to imagine the battle going in, going on inside these guys where they're gay feelings are like, like they just, they assume that it's being caused by it. They're like, every time I go on a plane, start one other man.

Like, I mean, I feel like that's a question that's missing in those conversations. They're like, you know, and it's probably, you know, I don't know. I don't want to do that. It's probably going to make you gay. And I'm like, hold on, let's explore that. So what has happened? What's, what's, what has been your experience in the machine? Right.

Yeah. It goes through you and then you start going, Oh, I liked how that man told me to assume the position in this small booth. Right. I mean, it's the only, it's the only pat down encounter that you're going to get. Right. Yeah. So it's the only time that somebody, another male physically touches their body where they

don't immediately respond by punching them in the shoulder. Come on. What the fuck was that, bro? But wait, Jack, is your theory here that, is your theory here that the, um, saying that the TSA screening is making me gay is a cover for the gay feelings that are already popping up inside a, I don't think it's a cover. I think it's the, like, it's oblivious. Like they're, they're just like, there's something going on here.

Like that's where, like they're assuming that everybody is having the same feelings, that those feelings are unnatural and coming from outside of them rather than inside of them. It just seems like you would pick something that happens more frequently than the TSA screening. Yeah. Right? Because if you had those feelings all the time,

why would you point to the three times a year that you fly, just be like, you know, drive-throughs are making me. He's like, I fly a lot. I fly a lot actually. Buddy, I am flying. A lot of pad, yeah. At least three times a week I'm flying. Maybe something that happens more often, like, uh, noticing that your eyelash,

that you have some thick, luscious lashes. Yeah. Have you watched some videos? How do you actually trim your eyelashes? Oh, dear Jody. It's about as, it's about as simple as you thought it would be. Have you watched some videos? How do you actually trim your eyelashes? You're about to find out. Dear Jody, it's about as simple as you thought it would be. It's just shaving them off with electric clippers. This is like, there's like, at first I was like,

is this really a thing? And now I've seen multiple videos of dudes in a barber chair and getting their eyelashes trimmed. So here's the first one. No! No. No, no. Yeah. But I do like this music choice. Scott.

Yeah. I love this music choice. I'm going to just turn the audio off there because that's probably not going to make it on there. Oh, so close. Oh, that first one, how it just went right off. Oh my God. I thought I was going to take the fucking eyelid with it.

Can we see a photo of what someone looks like? So for people who aren't watching the video, the yeah, there's somebody like this is not what I thought was happening. I was assuming it would be scissors and you just do a fight like a straight cut. I just like having the like the thing that like in a movie when somebody gets a bad haircut, it's always this thing and like the slip. Look, yeah, yeah, Like right next to your eyeball. Close your eyes so that your lashes are sort of running down.

Yeah. And then the razor and they go and just kind of way down to like a beard. Yeah. Like you edge up. What are the guys like? I like it more to look like eyeliner than I. Yeah. I just wonder how big of a difference it makes. I just wonder how big of a difference it makes. I don't know. I mean, like, like this, the guy in this video, he's got it's all gone. Yeah. His eyebrows are gone too.

Well, that's been, people have been like sculpting their eyebrows. I mean, this is music. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's appropriate. I guess what I mean, the truth is out there. If you have long eyelashes, you are less masculine. Clearly. Clearly, clearly.

I mean, this is what are they saying about JD Vance? You know, like, I don't know those eyelashes. I don't appreciate the application there, fellas. Yeah. Lux, because this motherfucker pulling up like one of Zod's homies, like we said, with like the beautiful eyeliner, thick ass eyelashes. So what is the part of the broken online manuscript that this is tapping into? I mean, Jesus, I mean, it just like,

I think, I think it lends itself to video. It makes for good video. You get to see somebody go from like it's equally. I could see this working as like do the eyelash challenge, you know, it feels so it makes for great video. And then also they're just bored and don't have that many different things that they, that they can work with. So I know, so I think we're also just like in this era where people don't

really think for themselves. Like I see this all the time, especially on Reddit, like where people are like, how do I, how do I know a song is good? Or people like that, like, cause I'm, I'm DJing, I'm getting into DJing again. And I see all these like posts where people are like, what, what's the way to think about music if it's good. And so many people were like, what do you mean? Like, if you like it, that's the benchmark.

There's no like what's going on. Just honor whatever your feelings are about something rather than looking for like an external definition of it. And I think with stuff like this or the guys who don't wash their ass because if I touch my ass, I'm fucking like not straight or whatever. It's all like these weird ways to like flatten your identity out and they're like, okay, I can tick the box if I do that. Oh, thank God I don't have long eyelashes. Oh, thank God I'm not washing my ass. Now I'm a man and now I've achieved manhood. It's like very, I mean, it's just like a very, it's like a simplified way to

sort of assert your identity and but like without, you know, being truthful about who you are. I don't know. In my day, we had no fear t-shirts to let everybody know we were straight. Right. Now you have to do it via social media clips where you shave your eyelashes off. Miles, your point about kind of the lack of socialization for like, how do I figure out who I am? You know, and, and even stuff like this.

I mean, there have always been trends, right? Of course. I think that one thing I've been thinking about a lot is how one of the things that's been hollowed out is the whole kind of process by which you have to do a lot of stuff that you actually don't like doing, you know, you have to watch movies that you think suck. You have to like try out a persona that is not for you. And then two weeks later, shift it. You know, you have to kind of like make friends who aren't for you and move on.

And I think, you know, one of the kind of broken promises of the Internet, and I think particularly for men, you know, it's it's it's even more dire. But it's this like, shortcutting directly to the thing that you will love and will be the core identity. And like, you can't shortcut that. But also you learn, I mean, I'm preaching the choir here, but you learn a ton by doing stuff that makes you uncomfortable. That isn't for you.

You know, like there, there used to be a time when like someone would put on a movie and if it sucked, you would just like, you'd have to watch the whole movie. And you just, and then you talk about why it was bad and why you didn't like it. And that was like formative and whatever. And now it's like, you know, that's a, uh, that encapsulates it all. Like you can just bail and try something else and just keep searching for the perfect thing. Yeah.

And then ask someone, Hey, what's your definition of man? Right. All right. Let me try that out. Oh, okay. Like, and yeah, to your point, like we're not sifting through the variation that exists in life that like, Like, and yeah, to your point, like we're not sifting through the variation that exists in life.

That, like I always think about, I remember always when I was like, I don't know what I told my, I remember telling my dad, I was like, I don't know what I wanna fucking do. Like, I don't know if I like this job. He's like, you have to do shit you don't like to truly understand what you love.

That's really like, unless you know out the gate, it's so clear to you, you have to sift through all these different experiences. And that's how you build up what you actually fucking like to avoid all these experiences just to be like, I know I'm not going to like that. He's like, you might or you might learn something very specifically about this thing you don't like that maybe you do. And that will completely inform all these other things that you

that you wonder about. And I was like, oh, no. And I feel like, yeah, to your point, Jody, like we people are just the appetite for that is less because I think there's so much information out there. And you can go on TikTok or YouTube and Google something like how to be more manly. That that's just that's like kind of the shortcut of doing stuff like this. But I think it's also partially to this is also like, we're like live in this era of content. And so a lot of this stuff is going to bubble up. But like, I mean, I would say to these men who think your eyelashes are too long, I have a friend, beautiful eyelashes. He gets constant compliments

from like, oh yeah, people coming up to him to be like, like, and even like women, I remember like going to bars like, dude, your, your game is that your eyelashes are so long that people are noticing that look, it's that easy. Just have your beautiful eyelashes. It's okay. Oh, and the other thing is we need them. Evolutionarily speaking, that's they protect our eyeballs. That's why they're there. They're not feminine indicators.

Yeah. I feel like it's gotta be a real mindfuck just for people raised on social media to have been thinking of yourself as a brand. It's just there's an abstraction to the way that people seem to encounter identity now like that hasn't been true historically. I think it was starting to be true when I was younger, but like it's definitely, like I think when I was younger,

I always like had this idea of like imagining myself in like a Truman show situation, even if like just like that, I think a lot of people had that, I've like read people and then like there's people who even have that as a psychosis of thinking that they're on, it's called Truman Show Syndrome. But now it's become true. You are the star of your own reality show and you are constructing an identity that's basically a brand. And so I feel like that's got to fuck you up. That has to make you be like, so how do I construct the right music around my brand,

as opposed to even thinking about yourself as. I like this. Right. Which thing should I like? Well, we talked about this too a lot, Jack, like how when we were kids and millennials and Gen X, we would just steal things from movies or TV. You, like, oh, this, I like this, this is going to be my person. Like, I like this character.

I just quote, if this aligns with me or whatever. But even then, it was up to you to sort of interpret what that what it was about that character or piece of popular culture that appealed to you. Whereas now, it's like, you can get it's like the information is like just infinite in terms of like, you're like, oh, I'm into this dude. And then now they have all this content where they talk about like, this is what I do to be a man. This is how, this is how I live. This is how I eat. There's all these other things. So it becomes very rigid suddenly. But yeah.

I mean, that gets us something. I if they I think whenever I have these conversations I always try and remember kind of what is what is the actual difference now, you know Because people have always gone through faces, right? They've always been fads and trends and even those have come pretty fast You know you like a goth for a week and then you move on Yeah so that that in and of itself like people trying on different personas and trying to be different and present themselves in different ways to different people is not that new.

I think it's something about a little bit of the speed, you know, by which you can kind of rip through that. Like you don't have to just sit with it. But also I just think the feedback, right? The immediate feedback. So that you're constantly kind of like testing and A-B testing yourself. Whereas, you know, if you're just a high schooler, you see the way someone dresses in a movie and it's 1997 and you try that on, like you kind of got to just,

that's kind of be, you got to be your thing for a week, you know, at least. And you're not going to immediately see how people react. And you kind of have to live with it in your own head, which I think is really important. Or your classmates aren't like posting your outfit and being like, yo, L outfit of the week right here. And you're like, oh, fuck. Yeah, that instant feedback is, I think, probably the biggest difference.

And also the confusion of just attention with getting a lot of, like a thing going viral, like shaving your fucking eyelashes off with being like some, some manner of approval, you know, is probably a little bit different. Like if, if somebody edged up their eyelashes in high school, I think they would get a lot of attention, but it would be pretty evident that it wasn't necessarily positive, whereas this, it just feels like easy to confuse like the velocity of like how much attention is pouring in with value that you're getting. Or it feels like that sort of like pathological thing a lot of us do with like self-criticism.

Like you sort of preempt criticism because you're already criticizing yourself. And like, if you were working that out, like in, with your mental health and your emotional wellbeing, you'd probably arrive at a place where it's like, well, do you, do you want to live in a world where all that criticism is flying? Like, wouldn't you rather live in a place where you can just be yourself and that's okay. That would probably sort of stop the ruminating on like, am I, am I, is this, am I fucking up?

And I think really, really embracing that idea that like, I, that is a better world to live in, I think that's sort of like this philosophical Rubicon they have to, you have to cross on some level to be like, I'm not, I don't want to live in a world where I'm so fucking like, what the fuck is this? What are they wearing? What does that mean about me? I was like, yeah, do whatever the fuck you want, man. Cause I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want and I don't want to hear.

Yeah. All right. So I do have a question based on this story that's very dumb and has nothing to do with the philosophical questions. Do they grow back? Yes. If they do, how they know to grow back? How do your eyelashes know to grow back? Because my eyelashes have been the same length for 30 years.

What, how, how they know? Are my eyelashes falling out and then new ones are growing in? What happened to you, man? Do you shave, you shave your beard, right? Are you worried how your beard knows to grow back? It, but okay. So my beard, if, if I don't shave my beard, it will keep growing. I will look like Tom Hanks in that one, in that by-his-self film.

But if I haven't shaved my eyelashes in weeks, and like they, it hasn't grown, you know, it hasn't grown. So I'm just wondering, that's always been a question I have is how do, how does, if my leg hair hasn't been shaved for my whole life and it doesn't just keep growing indefinitely when I do shave it, how my leg hair no, no to grow then. Yeah. It's, it's the follicles from what I'm reading.

Uh, yeah. Smart follicles. They just know at a certain point, they're like, nah, that's it. We're not that kind of hair that's over there. It's the follicles from what I'm reading. Damn. Yeah. Smart follicles. They just know at a certain point, they're like, nah, that's it. We're not that kind of hair. That's over there. If you want to do all that long stuff or tell that to my one weird long eyebrow hair I have, I think it's a fucking award winner.

This probably doesn't work the way that supposedly your beard in musta where it like comes back thicker, you know, because if it would, I feel like a lot of people would be shaving their eyelashes. There would be no need for Lattice. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Chalamet has great eyelashes, right? Isn't that one of those? Oh yeah. Chalamet, Zac Efron, Zane Vance. Zane, I'm getting fucking Zane.

What are we even talking about here? Robert Pattinson? All right. Jody. Yes. been wonderful having you on the podcast as always You got there you're hiding them behind Yeah, beautiful Oh Jack stop stunting on you then see't have asked because he's just going to come through with his. These are lovely. Jesus Christ. These are mink.

Jodi, where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? Well, I do a bunch of stuff, but I would, I would encourage people to listen to Summer Album, Winter Album. That's the name of the show. It's called Summer Album Winter Album. We're doing full episodes every couple weeks and little stuff in between, but it's been really fun to make the show. I'd love people to check it out. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Oh, well, I

am reading a great new book. It's called, what is it called? I'm having one of those Tom Petty moments. No, it's called Playworld. Do you know about this book? By Adam Ross, I believe is the name. Yeah, Playworld by Adam Ross. It has a great cover, but also the inside stuff.

The novel? It's a novel. It's about a sort of... The great cover and the inside stuff is good too. The a novel. It's about a sort of- Great cover and the inside stuff is good too. The best book review I've ever heard. That's going to be blurred. The inside stuff being the content of the book. The words and whatnot.

It's about a young boy growing up in New York City in the 1980s. It's just a great little family story, but also there's these moments that take you to New York City in that era, which is a treat. Hell yeah. Miles, where can people find you? Is there work in media you've been enjoying? Yeah. Find me everywhere at Miles of Gray.

You find Jack and I on the basketball podcast. Miles and Jack, I'm at Boosting. Find me on the 90 day fiance podcast for 20 day fiance. Let's see a work of media I do enjoy. Yes, this was posted. Give me one moment to bring some in it. This is from at Shen underscore the underscore bird Shen the bird parenthetical on the phone. Yeah,

we were gonna rage against the dying of the light later if you're down switches phone to the other ear. You're what? Hold on covers phone. This dipshits going gentle into that good night. Stupid. That was on my list too. Oh, look at us. Oh, look at us.

We're synced again. All right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien on blue sky, Jack OB the number one, uh, work in media. I've been enjoying, first of all, uh, Alec Carrick at Sanis's book. Uh, Coppa Ganda is out yesterday. Yeah. Came out yesterday.

Go to your local bookstore, ask your library to carry it. It's really good book. We had Alec on a couple of weeks ago to talk about it. So go back and check out that episode if you need some convincing, but full of, as he put it, examples, patterns of institutions we think of as well-meaning, like news outlets, magazines, universities, professors, and nonprofits that are walking us off an authoritarian cliff.

And yeah, it's a good book, good read, not fun, but just very enlightening. Highly recommend it. I like to tweet from, in addition to the going quietly into that good night, PJ Evans tweeted, seeing one of my old teachers, are you still obsessed with spelling things correctly? That's good. And then one dozen rats at a keyboard at Panasonic DX 45,000 tweeted starting a conspiracy that the Katy Perry who came back from space isn't the same one who went out. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist and on Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist.

We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily Zeitgeist. And you can go to the description of this episode, wherever you're listening to it, and you can find the footnotes, which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is just some nice Brazilian music, just to nod your head to, just to give yourself just a nice sonic break from things. Sounds like a summer song. Yeah, I mean, a lot of Brazilian. I mean, I think some, like maybe like this Stan Gets

bossa nova stuff could feel wintry to me. That feels a little bit more cozy with Babel Gilberto. But anyway, this is called Naboca do Sol and it's by the artist Arthur, Verocai. And it's just again, nice, got a little brass in it, but just nice vibes, Portuguese vibes, Brazilian vibes. Naboca do Sol, check it out. Hell yeah. All right, we will link off to that Sol, check it out. Hell yeah.

All right. We will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zyte Guys is a production of iHeartRadio from our podcast. From iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us. This morning, we're back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will talk to y'all then.

Bye. Bye. Bye. The Daily Zyte Guys is executive produced by Katherine Law. Co-produced by Bay Wang. Co-produced by Victor Wright. Edited and engineered by Justin Connor. The championship is back in the Bay

for the first time in 40 years. On the new limited podcast series, Dub Dynasty, we hear from head coach Steve Kerr on how Steph Curry almost never even joined the Warriors. In fact, I thought we had a draft date deal to end up getting him to Phoenix. For the entire behind the scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run, listen to Dub Dynasty

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey kids, it's me, Kevin Smith. And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith. That's my daughter, man, who my wife has always said is just a beardless, d***less version of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless, D***less Me.

I'm the old one. I'm the young one. And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. The number one hit podcast, The Girlfriends, is back with something new. The Girlfriends Spotlight, where each week you'll hear women share their stories of triumph over adversity.

You'll meet Luanne, who escaped a secretive religious community. Do I want my freedom or do I want my family? And now helps other women get out too. I loved my girls. I still love my girls.

Come and join our girl gang. -♪ I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing'll put the hammer back. Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best-selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back. Part of the power of Black queer creativity is the fact that we got us, you know? We are the greatest culture makers in world history. Listen to Fighting Words on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.