The Daily Zeitgeist - Anti-Vaxxers Are Libs Fault? Can Pence Win Over Zombie Trumpers? 9.21.21

Episode Date: September 21, 2021

In episode 992, Jack and Miles are joined by the host and correspondent for Vice News Reports Arielle Duhaime Ross to discuss the humanitarian crisis at the border, Pence thinks he can LEAD THE GOP? College students drinking less, smoking more, Seth Rogan Calls Out The Emmys On Not Being COVID Safe, The conservative logic loop is eating its own tail now and more!FOOTNOTES: Humanitarian Crisis Pence thinks he can LEAD THE GOP? College students drinking less, smoking more Seth Rogan Calls Out The Emmys On Not Being COVID Safe The conservative logic loop is eating its own tail now…  LISTEN: Andy C. "Boom" Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I smell dew and coal gas here. Who's that lounging in that chair? Who's that flashing blinding thighs in my direction surely it must be jack ob okay shout out to gingerfish on the discord newcomer to the discord and you just dunking on us with that marcy playground windmill a thank you Windmill 360 Vince Carter's first dunk of the dunk contest What was your AK to the tune of? I'm sorry It was a cult of personality

You know Hell yeah The Was playing in my head But it wasn't playing in anyone else's head So maybe we'll cut that one down no never never never uh well we are thrilled to be joined by the correspondent and host of vice news reports uh before that they hosted boxes technology podcast reset and they were the first

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Isn't it good? So good. Like, actually so enjoyable. Thank you. really love that rendition of sex and candy so good isn't it good you know so good like actually so enjoyable thank you there's just there's just something about that song i've uh i've always felt connected to i don't know i felt like at a certain point it was playing on a loop at the mall i used to go to as a kid like just all the time oh yeah um it was also on the soundtrack for Cruel Intentions. Yeah, exactly. A very important movie in my teenage years. Oh, of course.

Yeah. When I picture Cruel Intentions, I can only picture the scary movie kiss version of that. Is that what it was? A scary movie that did the kiss with the like long saliva oh yeah yeah yeah with the saliva yeah yeah i know what you're talking about yeah yeah and you're like that's all i've seen since then and had you brought up any other movie i still would have brought that scene up you know when i think of that movie.

When I think of Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy, I can't help but think of that kiss in Scary Movie. Oh, God. I really hope I'm right about the sex and candy being in the Cruel Intentions soundtrack. Because if I'm not, we definitely went on a tangent. You know what? If you're not, they failed. Because it would have been perfect for that soundtrack, even if it wasn't on it. Exactly.

Let me just look and just confirming it is not on there. Well. Are you serious? You failed. Coming up from behind is a Marcy Playground song. Coming up from behind. On that one. Yes. That's the one.

All right. Okay. At least the band actually made a song for Full Intention. And honestly, for you to even know multiple Marcy Playground songs

I think is a feat in and of itself. So that deserves spotted. Coming up, coming up, coming up, coming up, coming up from behind. It's a very good song. It's got a really good bass line.

Yeah. Solid. Exactly, yeah. And I gotta say, people don't know this that are listening to the podcast, but you are on some new fangled iPad. And when you were just doing your little moves, it was giving a little bit of camera motion. So you really brought a vibe to the Zoom call. So I really appreciate that. Oh, well, thank you. It's a very cool program that I'm immediately going to go out and get because it just adds gravitas to everything you do. You were struggling with technology before we started recording and it like did this slow push on your face that just made it made it.

I don't know. I just look perplexed trying to join the audio on this call. Or like you're super deep in thought and contemplating the world's problems. Respect. Always. How has your pandemic been? I can't remember when it was that we last talked. Yeah, last time we talked, I think it was still the pandemic.

Yeah. How has your recent pandemic been? It's been okay. You know, I don't know. I finally got to go back to Canada where I'm from, where I grew up. Yeah. To see my family. And that was a big deal because that didn't happen in two years.

So, you know, it's, you know, we're hanging in there. Yeah. Nice. And you're in New York, right? When you're in the States? Okay. Yeah, I'm in Brooklyn right now. How did you, and like I ask every guest who was over there, how did you fare during the inclement weather a few weeks ago?

Oh, we were fortunate. Our backyard, because we have a yard, kind of flooded a little bit. And for a while there, I was like, oh, there's a lake in the backyard. But it didn't actually enter the apartment. So we were good. Okay. Really, really fortunate. A lot of our friends in the same neighborhood were not as fortunate yeah yeah and but i'm always curious because like i have like half of my family lives in japan and i haven't been able to see them since the pandemic either what was it like to go home

for oh yeah after all that time was it just like was it everything you thought it would be was it less was it more was it surreal that's a good question I you know what was strange is that like because I hadn't seen my parents in two years I had a little bit of I mean we do zoom calls but like it's not like phone cameras are super detailed and so I had a little bit of a fear that I was like oh are they gonna look like two years older? Like that kind of, for whatever reason, like it kind of freaked me out that I would feel like so much time had passed that I could actually notice a difference. Fortunately for them, they still look great. I didn't feel that. And that was pretty great. So you were able to embrace them in your heart

because they still looked good. So you were like, all right. Yes, 100%. It your heart because they still looked good so you were like all right yes 100% it was just because they still look you know fairly young right okay you deserve my love so I still love them right great lesson but it was weird it was weird because my experience of the pandemic in New York City was so different from theirs in Montreal you know like my sister to this day still doesn't actually know somebody personally that she's like close to who's had COVID. Wow. Right. Exactly.

And so like when you're talking about like what the pandemic has been like, where is they? And also on top of that, they have had a bunch of curfews. They had curfews that lasted a really long time. curfews they had curfews that lasted a really long time and so it's like this comparing notes situation where like we all experience traumatic things but very very differently you know my my trauma was like life and death trauma and my sister's trauma was like being at home all the time feeling super confined right and more so than in than in Brooklyn and so it's just like it's just that that's weird that feeling of like I think before I went I felt like oh we're all in this

together and then I went and I was like nope every country had a different pandemic right right and and we're not it's not this big universal global shared experience the way that I thought it was initially. Right, right. Yeah. Makes sense. So we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, just a few of the things we're talking about. We're talking about the humanitarian crisis at the border in Del Rio, Texas, and just generally the inhumane border policies of all administrations and ones that are especially poorly suited to our increasingly hot, changed climate. We will talk about Mike Pence. Apparently, he thinks he can lead the GOP. And I'm here. I want to see it. Yeah. I'm like, I believe in you. Mike Pence. Apparently he thinks he can lead the GOP. Good for him. I want to see it.

I believe in you. Get out there. Do your thing. Your base didn't want to lynch you or anything. I'm pretty sure you got this, Mike. I love the confidence, sir. We're going to talk about how college students are drinking less, smoking more. We're going to talk about how college students are drinking less, smoking more. We're going to talk about the Emmys briefly, just the fact that they were not COVID safe. And then we're going to talk about just a couple other responses to, you know, just we're seeing COVID logic bend into all different kind of unique, uncomfortable shapes. So we'll talk about the conservative logic that thinks that liberals are doing reverse psychology on them. All of that, plenty more. But first, Arielle, we like to ask our guest, what is something

from your search history? Right. So from my so all of my answers to all these questions all surround the same theme right now. So recent search history. The thing that is predominant in my search history right now is I'm looking for like really good cycling shorts because I recently got into like biking and I went on this like 30 no 40 something mile bike ride this weekend and like my butt hurts like my sits bones like everything is in like deep deep pain and now I need to like gear up and actually buy actually good cycling gear what shorts make a difference I'm so ignorant yeah like the like the padded shorts oh right i'm also looking for like a different bike seat that has less padding

compared because apparently that's better too so it's like my search history is all about biking right now and specifically about like my butt pain how to relieve butt pain from biking? Seriously, though, like a road bike gravel. What kind of? Yeah, I have a 10 year old road bike that I bought when I was doing my undergraduate degree. And I never really got into it very intensely. And then I moved to New York City and I was too scared to bike in New York City. So but I have a bunch of friends who like are very intense cyclists and they are building up my confidence. They're taking me on rides. I went through Central Park this weekend and Times Square and contended with those cars.

And it was a good experience. I'm also getting on my bike. I just got an electric bike just to kind of commute around so I don't drive my car as much, which is great. But part of it is I live in one of the most hostile places for someone to be on a bicycle, which is LA. And I, like you, like my partner, she goes to, she'll bike into work. So she's like very comfortable on the roads. I grew up almost getting hit by cars to the point where I rolled the rope, my mostly would ride my bike on the sidewalk, which you're not supposed to do just to like avoid the stress of that. But as I've gotten out more, I'm, I can totally identify with like the

comfort level. Cause like I at first hated cars, like flying by me when I was on a bike. And now, you know, I'm like, okay, I'm, I'm learning my safety, like sort of protocols, how to keep my head on a swivel and know how to my body, to signal to other cars and things like that. And I'm slowly gaining that confidence. Like defensive bike techniques are so important and I'm slowly learning them. Yeah. New York is no joke. I used to bike around New York a lot and have almost been sandwiched by a bus in between

like a bus and a parked car i guess i don't know why i think la is more hostile i think it's because i see more people in new york being like i don't give a fuck i'm out here right and that when i'm like oh it must be easy to bike but when i'm on the sidewalks of new york i'm still like man i would not bike in this shit at all yeah but i guess it's all about you know learning you know learning the environment and getting used to it yeah I'm just getting comfy on my bike you know yeah I've definitely felt the pain of not having the right my cycling pants were a corduroy and yeah I started a fire yeah at one point it was not good just leaving a trail of fabric behind you. What is something you think is overrated?

Okay, so along this theme of biking here, you know, I've done spin classes. I've tried a Peloton bike in the past. I think that's what's overrated. Now that I'm getting into outdoor biking, it is just 100% better to just be outside to like the real life effort of like real roads outdoors. It just feels so much better. So like that's that's the overrated underrated thing. Like I think I think I think spin classes are super overrated.

But who when you're biking around on the street, who's telling you that you're killing it and just shouting at you? I'm sweating too. I'm sweating too. Come on now. So I will tell you, my friend Dylan, who takes me out on bike rides, the first bike ride that we did together, we went like 44 miles or something. And I had never done that much, like not even close. Like my last bike ride had probably been like two miles or like five miles. Right. So he takes me out on this bike ride. And at the very end, the last like five miles, I was dying. And he starts playing the theme to Rocky next to me, like holding out his phone.

So my friend Dylan is the answer to that question. Everybody needs a Dylan. Yes. Dylan, you son of a bitch. For all the Predator fans out there. But yeah, I love to hear that. Anything that Rocky theme would get you through it. Oh, yeah. I got to get a speaker.

Do you have a speaker for your bike? You blasting tunes when you bike in? Not yet. Not yet. Maybe I'll get there at some point. Yeah, that's I think that's my next step because I don't want to like have headphones in. But I don't mind being like the guys like who's that old millennial blasting drum and bass off their bicycle. Yeah, you can also do those like bone conducting headphones

that just conduct your jaw. Those are kind of nerdy, though. They're like not not the best look, but they're safe. Yeah. And I don't mind just being aggressive. I'd rather have someone be like, turn that shit off. Than like have my space headphones on. That's perfect. The jaw one. So you can hear the sounds around you as your jaw is. Oh, that's pretty cool. How do they stick to your jaw?

Oh, so they just like pass behind your ears. You know, like old school sports headphones that would pass behind your ears like very much like um you know like old school sports headphones that would wrap around your ears yeah and then they like stick to your jaw on the side and so it's just wrapping around your ears basically yeah that that sounds trippy but to like it is music coming from inside your your head have you ever tried them do you know the sound quality is like uh sound quality is not as good. I used to have a pair. Yeah. Right.

I used to own a pair and it's not as good. It's definitely not like audiophiles will hate them. But, you know, they do the trick. And if you're listening to podcasts, you can definitely hear. Yeah. And if you're listening to music, like it's more about like feeling the music, I guess. But they really do leave your ears like entirely clear yeah maybe that's better than me strapping a boom box onto my bike so i can't hear probably probably makes more sense yeah but i love boom by andy c strap i picture you strapping a boom box onto your head like like i'm so unbalanced oh no no i'll be safe out there what is something that you think

is underrated well yeah so that i kind of already gave you my answer which is biking outside yeah okay yeah that's that's that's the thing that's super underrated. Everything is all, there's a theme here. You know, I really, I really. But yeah, I've been enjoying being outside so, so much. It's a real workout. It's super hard. And I don't know. I just feel like I have to be like incredibly alert.

It feels like I'm like some kind of superhero sometimes just looking at my environment while I'm biking. And it's a good feeling. I love the freedom of it. I feel like it's like the, one of the few, it's one of the first things I've done recently that I actually felt like I did when I was a kid, like doing something. I was like,

Oh man, it feels exactly like when I'd be like, I'll be back in an hour, mom. And I'm like getting on my bike and it was like going to seven 11, like further down. Cause there was a slurpy flavor. I wanted that. They didn't have my seven 11 and shit. mom and I'm like getting on my bike and I'm like going to 7-eleven like further down because there was a slurpy flavor I wanted that they didn't have my 7-eleven and shit and that like sense of I

think being free and like having the wind in my face I I was that was like a thing I really wasn't prepared for as I really started like biking more and more and more I was like oh man this is like it's it's activating all these feelings it's's so great. And all of a sudden, New York City feels like really small. That's right. Because now I can actually like reach every spot relatively fast. And like it just, it makes everything so much more accessible all of a sudden. If you can get on a bike, like 100% recommended. That's what I noticed when I started biking around New York is like I had learned New York geography as like a series of islands based

around the subway stops that I had gone to. And so and then biking just allows you to like kind of connect all of those and actually see, oh, this is actually super, super close. I never I never feel more dumb than when I bike through somewhere and I'm like, oh, my God, this is just on the other side of this part of town. I don't know what the fuck I thought this was. I grew up in this fucking place. Yeah. Yeah.

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bridge and basically just waiting to see if the United States will help them. Yeah. And the answer seems to be no. It's sadly they're seeking asylum in the United States. And what, you know, Trump and Biden, they seem to be doing the same thing, which is basically telling them, no, we are unable to do that. Biden hasn't deviated much from Trump's policies, which is essentially like wait in Mexico during this period. And we will use a CDC guideline to sort of justify sending people back on flights no matter what, under the guise of essentially protecting the U.S. from COVID. And a lot of people are really skeptical whether or not

that is even having the positive results they claim to have by saying like, oh, these people, we got to get them out because of the pandemic. But it's just a way to justify the inhumane treatment of these people who are seeking asylum. And, you know, again, cramped conditions, glacial pace of processing people, just we're seeing the same problems, you know, just sort of play out over and over. And predictably, Republicans are pouncing on this moment as like a way to paint displaced people as subhuman and also to try and create a scandal that they can campaign on for joe biden because xenophobia is a great motivating tactic for their base which is to point at something at the board and say look what's happening because of joe biden i get out there and vote for someone who will treat them like not people and we've already seen pictures of the

fucking border patrol, like on horses whipping people. I don't know if you saw those images yet, but it is a really, really terrible scene. And Biden, you know, is totally aware of this. I think the dynamic, especially as it relates to the conservative sort of painting of this this incident right now. And I think that's why he's barely changed the policy since he took office, because he doesn't want that. He doesn't want to give the right to the the optic win of essentially being humane and allowing them to turn it into this guy's just he's just basically burning the borders down. You know, it's free for all over here at this point. And it's and then at

the same time, continued sort of disregard for Haiti's place in the Western Hemisphere and why we're at this place, because there's typically a really strong connection between people who are seeking asylum in the United States or trying to get into the United States and us meddling in their country at some point prior to that and destabilizing it. And this is a really good example of that. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, the backdrop behind all of this is like the earthquake.

It's Haiti having lost its president to assassination very recently. And yeah, it's it's sad to see, you know the fact that biden isn't doing very much right now yeah and is not changing post trump is not is not really reversing many of these policies yeah it's it's um it definitely feels like an optics thing for sure yeah it's it's the only way you can man i think because already there's problems as it relates to, you know, the COVID mandates. You know, he's trying to play a very walk a fine line with that. There's also like he's got the UN stuff happening this week where he's like going to try and like beg Macron to like the US again because the whole submarine sale incident. But yeah, I mean, I think I kind of saw a vague reference to that.

But because Francis. Yeah, because they're like, hey, like we sell nuclear subs. What was that incident? I kind of saw a vague reference to that. To France's? Yeah, because they were like, hey, we sell nuclear subs, not you guys to Australia. It's all part of this pact of the New Zealand-Australia sort of U.S. Pacific pact against China. But when it comes to the Haitians, you know, like there have ever since that earthquake in 2010, you know, it's caused many people to seek opportunity outside of the country at a, at a, like a, at a larger rate. And then the pandemic killed off a lot of jobs that people had in places like Brazil or Chile and things like that. So they're moving further to try and find a way to survive. And this time there were a lot of social media rumors that were like fueling a lot of the optimism for these migrants, which essentially they were like, well, there's protected status for Haitians.

But that was really only applying to the people that were within the United States. And now they're being met at the border with whips and horses and just saying like this now is not the time and putting people on flights back to a country that is like verging on a like full on like hot civil war yeah and so many people like this doesn't even make sense like this is just this is like cruelty upon cruelty to do this and you, to the point of like U.S. intervention in Haiti, this has been an issue. You know, Haiti's economic development was hamstrung the second that they liberated themselves with a slave slave rebellion from France. And France essentially said, OK, we'll we'll acknowledge your independence if you pay us for the lost property that the slave owners experienced as a

result of you liberating yourselves. And those payments were being made from the beginning of the 19th century up until the last payment, I think it was made in the 40s, the 1940s. And, you know, again, the U.S. was very, very quickly entered Haiti, like towards the beginning of the 20th century took over the treasury and was sort of essentially saying like okay 40 of all the wealth in this country is going to be redirected towards quote-unquote debt that you owe the u.s or france and this has just been this has kept haiti from actually being able to grow as a nation and also be part of a global economy so just like so many layers of yeah layers of trauma and death to deal with.

But again, this is the thing that the American media or mainstream media will never do is like give you a real primer on these countries where people are coming from and understanding what the U.S.'s role is and how they got to where they are. And on some level should be arguing why we should actually be helping these people because it's typically it's always reasons to like why we shouldn't i mean joe biden famously said in like the 90s that like haiti was just inconsequential to the united states and that's why he was focused more on the balkans so yeah i actually didn't know he said that interesting yeah yeah it's it's really and it's like very like he said that. Interesting. Yeah. It's really, and it's like very, like, he said it in very dark terms, like essentially saying, like, if it sunk into the sea, like, we wouldn't really, we wouldn't think twice about it. 90s Biden tells on modern day Biden a lot.

Quotes from 90s Biden, like, about Israel. It's from 90s Biden, like about Israel. And he said, if Haiti just quietly sunk into the Caribbean or rose up 300 feet, it wouldn't matter a whole lot in terms of our interest. Oh, nice. Cool. Yeah. That was 1994. I do not.

That is wild. That is not a great quote. No, but he's not. He's full of not great quotes. Right. You know, and all the time you're like, no, he said that. He's sort of one of those people you go, he said that. And then at the other side of your mind, you're like, oh, yeah, he said that shit.

Yeah, right. I can also see that. Yeah. I mean, the hope is that he is politically adaptable and changes and like kind of feels the pressure to move towards a more humanitarian place but that is yeah when you're doing shit like what he's doing at the border right now it kind of suggests that he hasn't really changed that much with regards to how he feels it's not a fight he you know this is like another thing like i think yeah he he expended a lot of political capital like the visibly because of the afghanistan thing if i seem like we shouldn't have been there this is always going to happen so someone had to do it because every person before me lied that they were

going to do it so we have to do this to like move things along yeah did i is there a better way to do it yeah probably but he didn't and And I think, you know, immigration is just another one of those third rail issues in this country where if you suddenly have any movement towards a humane policy towards allowing people into this country or people who are looking for a better life or asylum, that all it's going to do is you're going to now have to face just a media culture war against this idea that you're saying like America doesn't matter. And this is just some place for people to come flood and be dirty or whatever. Right.

And I don't think yet it doesn't see. I don't know how many people have moved sort of past being able to look at a situation like that and kind of not have that take up all the oxygen in the news. Yeah. have that take up all the oxygen in the news. Yeah. It's another example of just, you know, the U.S. government basically understaffing the people who are processing people who are making claims of asylum. And then, you know, they even if they had the right policy in place, they would, you know, just be like, yeah, but it's the same thing with the distribution of rent relief and, you know, the eviction ban. It's like they don't they they can have all these big ideas and policies, but then they don't actually staff it up. So you don't have the bureaucracy in place to actually do anything with your with your ideas. with your ideas. Right. I think Del Rio is having a huge problem with that, like

specifically, right? Because they're arresting a bunch of people, they're putting a lot of these people in jail and they just don't have the staff to like, to like take care of these individuals, to process them. Like it's, it really is like in Del Rio, it is bad right now. Yeah. And the sad thing is

that all these images just will make someone who's not as informed just think that there's no solution to something like this. And it's like, I don't know, we have Border Patrol, we have, you know, customs people who work on this, but they still I mean, this is this is this is why we got to just tighten stuff up rather than really understanding like, no, we're not we're not we're not servicing these people in the manner that we should be. We're not we're not creating the we don't have the actual infrastructure to deal with this because this isn't this is only going to increase as climate changes and gets more intense and causes more like environmental disasters. People are going to move. That's just a nailed on fact of our our world. Yeah. And borders are not people still move so there is some like i mean i don't know when that reckoning is going to come but you know that's going to be a huge part of how we adapt to the changing world is understanding that like we we have to let go of these ideas of like no you're from there you can only stay there and you stay there till you die and if you don't, don't even think about coming here because we only have enough stuff for us and we're not even worried on trying to think of how we can make it all work.

I mean, for a lot of people, the reckoning is already happening. Like the, you know, Human Rights Watch published a letter on Wednesday of last week just saying, you know, this policy of like heavily guarding the routes that people cross the border that are hospitable so that pushing people to extremely hot and unforgiving terrain like they are killing people. They're straight up killing people as the world gets hotter and hotter. Heat waves are already the deadliest form of natural disaster in the U.S. heat waves are already the deadliest form of natural disaster in the U.S. And they're just pushing people into regions where, like, in terms of how much it's changing, the number of days over 100 degrees Fahrenheit per year is expected to climb to 60 by mid-century, up from the annual average of 28 between 1971 and 2000.

Like that's more than doubled in, you know, 50 years because of climate change. It's going to really kill a lot of people. But again, it's like sort of this, we're not doing anything. Like they're the ones who are doing it type logic that conservatism by doing nothing, it type logic that conservatism by doing nothing, like just by doing nothing, rather it allows the Democratic Party to just not get called out for doing cruel things, but, you know, passively do the cruel policy that makes it easy for them to triangulate with conservatives. Yeah, I mean, so there's so many thoughts regarding heat waves one is that like actually nobody knows that they are like the deadliest natural disasters like people don't think about them they don't happen in a as a shocking of a way as like a wildfire or yeah or a storm you know it's such

a different kind of death it is also an incredibly terrible death it is really really brutal like if you like look up an article that tells you exactly how people die from heat waves it is not pretty and on top of that you have border patrol agents dumping water at the border like when when these non-profit organizations leave water for migrants along those routes they dump the water out yeah and And that to me is really something that every time I think about that, it's just like, I can't even imagine. I can't even imagine doing that as policy. Right. Because, yeah, and the way I think we have these departments set up, it's just to be like, OK, who's willing to brutalize these people? It has nothing to do

with compassion, meeting these people with compassion. It's like, these are invaders. So take away anything they have that would potentially give them safe passage. Like you're saying, like cynically, just like cutting open water containers and just leaving it. So there's no, there's nothing for a fucking human person

who is wandering the earth to try and have a better outcome for themselves. Yeah, just fundamentally, we have just such a barbaric system. And I think just in general, in most countries, just think of immigration as this dirty thing or bad thing rather than acknowledging our place in a global community and understanding. At a certain point, I think a lot of Americans are under the assumption that America will be the best place to live forever, no matter what happens to the planet. And, you know, I think not many people put themselves in a place with what if you were trying to cross a border? Right. And what does that look like? But I think exceptionalism has

completely put that out of people's minds, because that's the only way you could look at this and not have any compassion. I think me, someone who's so worried about what the future holds for this planet and future generations, it's all I can think of is like, well, that could be you. That could be us. That could be anyone. Yeah. I mean, except maybe the super rich, right? Right. The super rich are going to be just fine. And other than that, it could be us that could be anyone yeah anyone i mean except maybe the super rich right right yeah the super rich are gonna be just fine and it other than that it could be anyone yeah yeah how do you want your kids and grandkids to be treated when they're trying to cross

the canadian border and right like everybody's trying to get the fuck out of america right all right well speaking of people doing offensive things through inaction and just trying not to be offensive while doing the most offensive shit in the world, let's talk about Mike Pence. Apparently, the rumors are getting louder and louder. Mike Pence thinks he has a shot at becoming president. I think he's always thought that. You just got strong vibes that he was like, I'm just going to let sit back and let Trump just fuck himself up. Just let him explode. And we good,

you know, he and the Cokes were, you know, that was, that was, he's like the number one boy, the number one good boy for the Koch brothers. And I think that was their plan for a long time.

And now they're like, all right, well, let's, let's try and do it. well let's let's try and do it you know let's try and get this guy in this this is a weird situation for everybody involved i mean like you know trump and him the first of all the more and more you read it sounds that pence had a harder time like thinking of whether or not he should invoke the 25th amendment over

whether or not he should invalidate the election which i was like okay that's fucking he was more willing to invalidate the election yeah exactly because he's so thirsty for power like he just did he just stood i like you know we saw we saw him throughout the presidency he was like the the man in the room who pretended he wasn't in the room the whole time, trying to walk out with his like integrity intact, which wasn't going to happen. But him and Trump have been in like really like bad terms, you know, ever since the sixth and him like, you know, not invalidating the election for him. And they say that like that one in the new Bob Woodward book that's coming out, apparently that Trump told him, like essentially said, I don't want to be your friend anymore. Like as the administration was winding down and, you know, they said the last time they spoke was maybe April after Pence had some kind of like heart procedure. And I'm, you know, Trump, he absolutely if if he hates you he's going to come for you i mean he did it to jeff sessions he does it to all kinds of people it's not like he's going

to be promoting pence as pence campaigns like pence doesn't get to capitalize off of any of that and correct me if i'm wrong but my impression is that trump supporters many of them do not actually like pence no no they do not i mean i mean i i got the sense from them uh chanting that they wanted to hang him when they stormed the capitol that maybe they weren't the biggest fan yeah he's just trying to do this thing where you know he's like missing all these like just sort of basic facts right that if you're you your appeal with the MAGA base is fractured like yeah there are conservatives who do like you like because you're a republican and you're part of the administration then you have like the MAGA zombie clique that is like you tried to go against

the leader and will not forgive him but so i'm like i'm not sure what his appeal what he thinks his appeal is with the base aside from like trying to be you know because he's not like the total piece of shit conservative politician which is like getting really popular like you're you know marjorie taylor greens and like lauren bobert types that's not him he's like the very upstanding, big Christian energy guy who tries to act like he is like, you know, the most moral figure

in American history. But right. He still tries to like appear respectable and seems to care about that. Right. Although like I don't know that thing about him not being able to be in a room

with a woman alone is just, like, really. Yeah. It's still, like, really. I think about it every time I hear his name. Like, wow. That's troubling. That's troubling for anyone, let alone the vice president of the United States of America. Like, if I heard that somebody I knew had that policy or like somebody that i knew it's like a friend of a

friend had that policy i'd be like concerned about the world let alone like somebody who is wielding that much power right i'm like are you a monster is that yeah they do like is that the subtext of that because i know you're trying to act like it's not proper but that just raises so many more questions uh or what you believe a dynamic between a man and a woman should be because it's so aggressively gender normative dude it's like this what is i don't even know where this guy's coming from so we'll see what i mean we'll see what he tries to campaign on while most people who are in orbit of trump like they've been waiting to see what Trump does, you know, like Nikki Haley and those types. But he's got an office in D.C. He's hiring staffers.

He's already got a fundraiser going like it looks like this thing's going to kick off. Yeah. But yeah, I think he's very popular with like the Kochs and other wealthy benefactors like that was his main thing it was kind of appeasing them soothing the people who donated to trump and what like the very wealthy the one percent like he was sort of the trump administration's mouthpiece to that group and so he's always got that going for him right i feel i feel like he looks at himself in the mirror and he's like you look like a fucking president because he's got that like head of white hair you know and like he looks like you know he's got that would be cast to

play a president on tv if he wasn't like a wooden you know weirdo but i do i i think this is going to get more uh coverage than it should like my guess is he's going to get a lot of coverage because most of the mainstream media like are democrats or think like democrats and like are like well this is the safe play this is you know like the this is what the republican party would do if they thought like democrats basically is you know go for the safe person who's going to make the right statements you know and ignore the sentiment in the base completely right yeah and ignore the sentiment in the base completely and then my my assumption is he's going to fade once public polling gets involved. And they're like, oh, he has like no support.

Yeah. Or, you know, Trump's just going to come out swinging. I mean, that would be fun. And then that's going to be an entire messy situation. But I don't know. Yeah, it's we shall wait and see who thinks they can do it. But I don't know. Yeah, it's we shall wait and see who thinks they can do it. I guess the one thing to to kind of keep an eye out for us for when specifically when Trump and Pence could go head to head, because then Trump is going to have to explain why Pence isn't his his VP pick.

And Pence is going to have to explain why he isn't Trump's VP pick. And, you know, that'll be right. Yeah. And, you know, that'll be that'll be right. Yeah. He was a total he was a total monster to work with folks being the vice president of the worst times of my life. And I knew I could do it better. And you're like, oh, my God, I could definitely see. Yeah. I mean, he he must know some of the secrets. Right. Of the administration. But at the same time, he has to keep Trump supporters on who would consider voting for him on his side right so he won't be able to shit talk trump that much trump will be able to do whatever he wants right yeah i guess what do you think he does he like hits himself in a debate to be like whoa guys whoa that was crazy right how i i can't stop hitting myself trump's right a little

bit i don't know how to disagree with him without being in direct opposition to him. So this is going to be tough. Yeah, that will be interesting. It'll be interesting to see a Donald Trump who can do whatever he wants. I wonder what that'll look like. Yeah, he's got to figure out what he's sitting on all that cash. Yeah. So we'll see what he does with it. It seems like he's just paying his bills at the moment. Probably keep it would be my guess. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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you get your podcasts. And we're back. And some news on college students. They are drinking less, smoking more weed. And I don don't know this seems kind of natural to me just based on the fact that the quality of weed has gone way up and alcohol has always been very, like very bad for you. Why?

Like, is it like, I just feel like the, the more, you know, yeah. Like if weed is the same legal status as alcohol, why the fuck would you ever drink alcohol? I think there's, you know,

if you, right now they said it's like a 6% increase from like a few years ago when it comes to like the number of college students who are using cannabis. And they also found that like alcohol dipped, alcohol use dipped from 62% to 56%. And like for people of them, like who are like being drunk, like in the last month, that went from 28% from 35% and binge drinking fell like pretty, pretty like heavily. They said like, you know, binge drinking has gone from 32% to 24%, which is the lowest in like this study's history. And, but like over the course of even this show, we've, we've checked in on this poll before and it had always shown that binge drinking was going down and lower and i think that's just always just been the case i think but but i think the reason it got to these historic lows is because 2020 just was a complete utter lack of like social act social events where it

seems like that's where college students probably that's their preferred venue for alcohol consumption versus the pandemic which is like how do i make my dorm room interesting for fucking 12 hours yeah i'll do some like psychedelics and take some edibles and watch ted lasso and i got a day baby yeah that's a good point you know it'll be really interesting to see if this dip like continues post-pandemic yeah but like just as a as a like individual like let's just take this for what it is like this is like definitely super good news and that is that's very cool like i it's nice to see because like you know alcohol is just straight up poison and weed is not in the same way so it's it's it's pretty cool yeah this, this this it's like this whole Washington Post article, like the first like third was just this information.

And then the rest is like debating the differences between like weed and like how bad it can be. And I was like, wait, what's what is this? Are you going to bring up all these scary studies? And you're like, I don't know, though, but for young people, man, it can really. And like, yeah, there are some studies where like certain developmental things can be stunted to a certain extent. But not to the point when you're like, what is alcohol? Like, you know, truly like the effects of alcohol on people can are just horrendous. It's really terrible.

Yeah. I mean, it's also like weed studies are so complicated to cite, too. Like, I think I think that's changing. are so complicated to cite too like i think i think that's changing but for really really long time scientists weren't even allowed to to study weed unless it came from like one specific farm slash lab in the u.s that was allowed to grow it and the strains and what they were growing was not at all representative of what was out in in the wild in the public um wait a second and so like that that like not allowing scientists to properly study weed means that like up until very recently a lot of studies were just like it's just it's really really hard to take anything from those studies unfortunately yeah and they also found the i was just gonna say it looks like the byline on this uh washington post op-ed is pete cores is that maybe maybe that has something to do

augustus okay but yeah it's it's definitely like you know i times are changing and i'm obviously the pandemic's just like changed all of people's habits but they've also seen like psychedelic use of psychedelics has gone up by 4% too. And I think that's kind of like the, I feel like that's sort of the newer trend in people using drugs recreationally is psychedelics because it's like, that's another thing where we've been prevented from really doing in-depth research into psychedelics. And the stuff that we are only beginning to hear about is still seems very compelling people see like uses just outside of a trip like that it's it can be uh spiritually

healing that you can you know heal from certain traumas and things like that and so yeah i'm sure and i i feel like i always see like on tiktok or like a lot of gen z people like doing like trippy psychedelic videos of being like things like we don't realize about psychedelics and why like the government has kept us from thinking these things. So there's definitely like this utility, I think, to psychedelics now that people are like sort of connecting to. But yeah, it's the trend is going down. I should acknowledge that there is a difference between like the effects of alcohol and weed. And I definitely chose alcohol in a big way in my life. And the effects are bad.

But I shouldn't be like, why would you ever choose drinking? Because I certainly did for a long time. Oh, I mean, yeah. I mean, I don't think drinking is going away for what it's worth. I don't think it's like going to go away. But unfortunately, I think that people thinking about it a little bit more is a good idea. Yeah, I agree. Exactly.

All right. Let's talk about COVID safety, COVID preventative measures. There were the Emmys two nights ago when Seth Rogen just got up and like people were laughing and it had the cadence of a stand-up routine, but he was just like, they lied to us and said this was going to be outside. It's not outside. No one's wearing masks. I feel unsafe.

I wouldn't have come if I knew this. Yeah, here, let's play the clip. Literally all he said. We'll play the clip because he's truly like the Canadian in a room full of Americans. He's like, the fuck are you guys doing here? Like, so let's just hear Seth. But yeah, it's funny because his disbelief does sound like a bit.

Right. Clearly not. Anyway, good to be here at the Emmy Awards. Let me start by saying there is way too many of us in this little room what are we doing they said this was outdoors it's not they lied to us we're in a hermetically sealed tent right now i would not have come to this why is there a roof it's more important that we have three chandeliers than that we make sure we don't kill eugene levy tonight shout out to him looking out for a fellow canadian but yeah i know i love that he talks about eugene levy good work i had not seen that clip that's a good clip holy

yeah he's really it really does feel like like if i were at a party and they're like yeah it's gonna be all safe it's all outdoors vaccinated guests only and you're like yo this is in like someone's fucking two-car garage and there's so many of us in here what are we doing if you're like oh you're so funny man by observing shit right but seriously they said this was going to be outside that's actually not a stand-up routine he's just talking right it's a dystopian nightmare where you're like just talking making observations of things that are happening and people like he said why are we here they lied to us We're in a hermetically sealed tent. Yeah. No.

That was the highlight. Love the suit, though. Yeah. Yeah, he looks great. Love the suit. He's like kind of aging into Steve Martin a little bit. He's got like a Steve Martin-ish vibe about him. Interesting.

What do you mean? He's like, yeah, he's like clean cut. He's got gray hair. He's got glasses. That hurts. Okay, but he doesn't have like an arrow

going through his head or like, you know, like a fiddle. What was it? No, banjo. Banjo.

Yeah. He ain't banjoing. He's throwing that clay. You know what I mean? Doing the pottery. Yeah. I like that. Speaking of,

you know, COVID logic that is difficult to differentiate from comedy there's so i don't know like what what was the outlet that published this bright bart okay op-ed baby yeah so i mean basically the background or the foundation of this is that fox News, you know, polls are saying Americans are worried about the pandemic. They embrace vaccines and masks and are even OK with mandates, you know, to like a majority, like over 55 percent.

I mean, the mandates are a little less popular, but that's arriving to the point of a 50 percent plus one. Yes. Fifty five. Yeah. And so and even some conservatives are like, yeah, no, we're definitely on the wrong side of this. How did we get here? And this gentleman has has an idea that I am kind of impressed with the the kind of logical leaps that that they've taken here yeah but basically their explanation is that the rest of the world has reverse psychologied them into being against vaccines because this is a because howard stern was like you know mocking people who had like passed away for who are like covet deniers, like really prominent COVID deniers who eventually succumbed to the to the virus.

And he starts off saying, quote, this is all from the op ed. This is not this is not a comedy to all of this. We need to read all this. Fine. Do you want to know why I think Howard Stern is going full monster with his mockery of three fellow human beings who died of the coronavirus? is going full monster with his mockery of three fellow human beings who died of the coronavirus? Because the leftists like Stern and CNN LOL and Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and Anthony Fauci are deliberately looking to manipulate Trump supporters into not getting vaccinated. Nothing else makes sense to me. In a country where elections are decided on razor thin margins, does it not benefit one side if their opponents simply drop dead? If I wanted to use reverse psychology to convince people not to get a life saving

vaccination, I would do exactly what Stern and the left are doing. I would bully and taunt and mock and ridicule you for not getting vaccinated, knowing the human response would be, hey, fuck you. I'm never getting vaccinated. No one wants to cave to a piece of shit like that or a scumbag like Fauci or any of the scumbags at CNN, LOL. So we don't. And what's the result? They're all vaccinated and we're not. And when you look at the numbers, it's only it's only numbers that matter, which is who's dying. It's overwhelmingly the unvaccinated who are dying and they have just manipulated millions of their political enemies into the unvaccinated camp according to cdc again he talks about who's dying of he says china flu um when he goes on to say could it be could it possibly be the left has manipulated huge swaths of trump's voters into believing they are owning the left by not taking life-saving the life-saving

trump vaccine i am strongly pro-vaccine and now believe that Biden, the media, Hollywood, and the left in general are deliberately being as nasty as possible as a way to use reverse psychology against Trump supporters. They know that

the uglier they get, the more unvaccinated Trump supporters will dig in and refuse to get vaccinated. Well, I think that's the plan. They're vaccinated. We're not.

The unvaccinated are almost exclusively the ones who's dying. Who's winning the debate? Who's owning who? I was exhausting miles but it's i my my eyebrows are permanently stuck in this physical like shock face because i cannot believe botox what are i'm sorry i put on my eyebrows too high this morning it's like this whole fucking idea that, again, it's never personal responsibility in this case, apparently, because we've been manipulated. We've been we've been gamed like a parent would a three year old because that's our intellect.

OK, they knew that that we're easily manipulated. I don't know what they're trying to say but yeah these people have not been it's like it's very condescending towards people who have not been vaccinated like very con like thinking that that is what their their thought process is is extremely like infantilizing and condescending and on the other hand all i see is like health officials desperately imploring people who are unvaccinated to actually get the vaccine. Like, that scumbag Fauci. This whole thing is wild. This is wild. Like, that scumbag Fauci, that's the best.

Fauci is just from the start, like, please get vaccinated. Like, dude, we're just asking you. It's safe. Please, please, please, please. Fucking reverse psychology. Oh, look at this asshole. Okay. It's like, wait, please, please, please. Fucking reverse psychology. They're like, oh, look at this asshole. Okay.

It's like, wait, what? What? What the fuck are you talking about? This is the thing I don't realize. This is why their logic loop has now began to eat its own asshole now because they don't understand the origins of this. They have not been owned or manipulated by the left. by the left. You have been owned by the unscrupulous monsters that have weaponized your partisanship against you to stay in power because the ideology for the conservatives is basically don't agree with liberals ever. Yeah. So how the fuck are you being manipulated by them?

If your marching orders are to just to stand antithetically diametrically opposed to whatever they're saying. That's that's that's of your own creation. That's how the discourse has operated on that side for the last, you know, however many decades. It's not about, OK, yeah, we can't agree on this thing. It's just full stop. What they say. No, I'm against it. They're manipulating me into not getting a vaccine. It's I'm, but again, you know, like, I don't know if the tone of this is to also try and be like,

so we have to take things back, you know, conservatives and get vaccinated because clearly he is trying to draw a line of like, this is part of the health of the party that's on the line. And yes, maybe we've been owned, but are you,

so are you urging them to get vaccinated? What's. This also feels like because so much of the right is like fueled by a really wealthy people, just funding like think tanks. This also feels like it could be a strategy thought up by a conservative think tank to like try to get Breitbart readers and like the conservative movement on board. They're like, okay, so if we say the liberals don't want them to do the vaccine, then maybe they do vaccine.

Right. And maybe this is actually reverse psychology for conservatives where they're like trying to convince conservatives and people who are unvaccinated to get vaccinated by saying like, right. You're getting like, you know, maybe, maybe. Well, this is the thing that he's to say. conservatives and people who are unvaccinated to get vaccinated by saying like. Right. You're getting like, you know, maybe. Yeah. Well, this is the thing that he.

Who's to say. This ends right with sort of this whole thing of like being like, you know, the number is startling when you're talking about the percentage of people who are dying that are unvaccinated. An eye opener. Again, this I'm quoting, quote, forget cases, forget mandates, forget masks and how Stern. When you learn that almost everyone dying is unvaccinated, that's a come to Jesus moment. I could be wrong. Maybe the left isn't that evil and sly. But when I think of the unvaccinated lying there dying, being told by their doctor, sorry, there's nothing more we can do to get enough oxygen to your lungs. I don't laugh. My heart breaks for that person. Imagine

lying there dying, thinking that all you had to do was get the trump vaccine rebrand even if this isn't the left's plan who's owning who so i think this is trying to use the the verbiage of ownage right to to get to speak to the conservatives you're like no we're getting owned so now you own them piece of writing yeah this is a fascinating piece of writing like i feel like you need to dissect it in so many different ways yeah but yeah the rebranding it calling it the trump vaccine saying like look like people who vote like us are dying so you should get the vaccine that's kind of smart you have no idea i just want these people to get vaccinated so whatever it takes, honestly. Yeah, I'm like, hey, that's what a lot of people choked about.

I was like, yo, fine. Should we just, on this podcast, admit to this having been our strategy all along as we were trying to antagonize them into not getting the vaccine? So that we... So we can blow up on InfoWars? Yeah, so first of all, okay, so... Listen to them! Here we go, InfoWars.

Here's a clean edit point. And we were, in fact, hoping that you wouldn't get vaccinated. Now that our playbook has been exposed, though, I guess you should read this Breitbart article and who's owning who. I mean, you have to ask yourself that question. Just go get fucking vaccinated.

Thanks. Well done. But I think they're, I'm clearly like, they, the tone seems to suggest that at the upper echelons of the sort of conservative media apparatus that this is a problem that they know

and they're like, fuck, dude. like fuck dude oh no like they believed everything and now we're trying to convince them to not like to avoid preventable death because they've took it as a culture war battle it's yeah it's truly mind-boggling how Tucker Carlson gets through a night and sleeps. These things are just so plainly evident that he's killing people. He's killing his own viewers. I don't know. It's pretty wild. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, what's funny is like the day before he wrote some like article that said anti-vaxxers hype, but not anti-vaxxers hype benign transmission numbers as proof. Vax doesn't work. So the day before you spent your time just throwing more garbage out there into the world, the next day you're like, well, who's owning who? You're like, I think you are, sir. You're owning, well, who's owning who? You're like, I think you are, sir. For clicks. You're owning them for clicks. Just the casual reference to Fauci being a scumbag. Okay. I guess.

Yeah. I mean, if that's what did he do? Because by the end of it, you're like, we need to get vaccinated. So then you were wrong about him. Yeah. But he was such a scumbag about it. He was. He didn't want us to. You could tell when he was at he was begging us this hugely earnest human being who's never said anything like that doesn't appear to be capable of insincerity.

You could tell he was being insincere when he told us we should get the vaccine. Yeah, exactly. being insincere when he told us we should get the vaccine. Yeah, exactly. And it's that, you know, it's once again, just America bending over backwards to have the lowest standards possible for conservative people that like somehow we have to make it not their fault. So yeah, there we go. There are the children we have to bring with us,

drag them along forward into the future. Yes. Well, what are the reverse psychology schemes can we get them to do? Oh, shit. That's a great point. You know, yeah. You know what's really cool or fucking closed borders where no one can get get in or out. You hear that?

Keep everybody where they are and they're like no man we need our freedom of movement man because we need that kind of agency as human beings we have to extend that to others across the globe you're like whoa it's working it was that easy uh well ariel it's been such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you and follow you? So they can find me on Twitter, I guess, sometimes, at ADRS. I probably post more on Instagram, at ADRS. And listen to the podcast.

Listen to Vice News Reports. I also have a new podcast coming out, end of October, beginning of November. Can't talk about it just yet, but keep an eye out for for that okay nice do you can what is it is it can you give us a genre anything yeah it'll be like long form narrative sciencey human drama cool okay i like that yeah and is there is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? So the tweet that I picked out is one by Paul Ford. I just really appreciated this idea. So he tweeted, my favorite part in learning anything new is learning the reasons why everyone in the discipline hates each other. to each other and that just feels so right like coming back to the whole cycling thing you know electric cyclists versus lycra wearing cyclists versus you know city bikers versus delivery people

like that those like turf wars are just so intense And I was kind of unaware of any of it. And I'm learning a lot right now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's hard out there. People talking shit when I'm on my e-bike. It's only happened twice. But it's like people are like, nice bike.

Like one guy said that to me on a mountain bike. I was like, dude, fuck you. Oh, my God. You're so fucking bitter. Also, bro, I can't hear you because my drum and bass is too loud but it's so true though the minute you learn about you you enter a new world you're like oh like these people hate each other and they they love the same things but they hate each other right right right exactly yeah that's any whenever people congregate around a thing there we always split off in our little

groups yep uh miles where can people find you what's the tweet you've been enjoying twitter instagram at miles of gray g-r-a-y uh and the other show 420 day fiance with sophia alexandra where we talk about 90 day fiance you know the real where the real shit's going down sometimes to give us a much needed break from the world a tweet that i like i like a couple first one is from brody gupta at brody gupta you know when mikaela cole uh got her emmy the other night she was saying like writers write what scares you was like her like one of like the poignant lines from her acceptance speech among many other things but so brody gupta quote tweeted that the writers write what scares you and brody tweeted opening a document to simply write the

words raccoon hands very specific but i might be a little not what that was being meant but i love it because i agree that's i always want to look at them and be like, we got fingernails? What are those claws? Another one is from Laura Peak, at Laura Peak underscore, tweeted, I'm extremely conflict avoidant, which is fine. Totally don't even worry about it. I'm good either way. That is

so close to my heart. A tweet I've been enjoying was from Golden Phantom, tweeted the trolley opportunity in reference to the trolley problem thought experiment, which I think is basically sums up capitalism and how how businesses work. Oh, damn. I like that. I like that. Here.

I mean, I hate it,. I like that. I like that, Jack. I mean, I hate it, but I like it. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com

where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song that we think you might enjoy miles what song are we telling people to go check out you know i mentioned it already when i was talking about blasting some drum and bass when i'm on my bike so you know what y'all put some d and b in In your ears. Dave Matthews? No, D-N-N. Oh. Not M. Dave Matthews. D-N-B. Into your ears.

And let's go out on Boom by Andy C. You know what I mean? I'm just pedaling. All I do is listen to drum and bass and ride my bike. So I want y'all to feel that wind in your face and just check this one out by andy c uh boom you're gonna love it uh or you know fire it up in your and your exercise bike however you like to get down in whatever pedal fashion you do yeah yeah keep one ear open or or use those weird jawbone yeah yeah don't put it no don't don't ever fucking put both earphones in please please please yeah yeah all right well the daily zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio for

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