The Daily Zeitgeist - Anti-Vaxxers SO MAD, Goodbye To Instagram Likes 6.1.21

Episode Date: June 1, 2021

In episode 920, Miles and guest host Jamie Loftus are joined by comedian Blair Socci to discuss big oil, the GOP trying to stop vaccine incentives, Instagram likes, the new Cruella film, and more!FOOTNOTES: A bad day for Big Oil $1 million Ohio vaccine lottery winner was on her way to buy a used car when she found out she won GOP governor and lawmakers clash over vaccine policy What Instagram really learned from hiding like counts Why Do Kids Like The Bad Guys? Born bad: Cruella created as a woman not fit for ‘polite society’, but also a clever social comment Her crazy driving is a key element of Cruella de Vil’s evil. Here’s why. Who’s afraid of Cruella de Vil? New stories are humanising female villains of old LISTEN: Apex - Dr. Lonnie Smith Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My name is Miles Gray, a.k.a. But you can't even sing. Oh, baby, I like to grow. Yeah, baby, I like to grow. Oh, baby, I like to grow. Yeah, baby, I like to grow. Chuggy, I like to grow. Yeah, baby, I like to grow. Chuggy, chuggy, yeah, chuggy, yeah, I'm chuggy, yeah. Give me the mic so I can chug it away.

Off on a natural chug barn voyage. Yeah, from the home of the Dodgers chug squad. Okay, there it was. Shout out to my boy, Ian, for hitting. Out of nowhere, my friend hits you with an AKA. Yes, in the key of old dirty bastard thank you so much for that without further ado let me just get to the main event here the guest co-host and the guest because without them it's just some dude who's just rambling on

about his friend's text message threats so first allow me to introduce our honorable co-host for today the one i don't even have to give any fucking introductions anymore it's jamie loftus oh a k a well my name is jamie loftus a frequent podcast guest am i but i host the daily zeitgeist with miles from time to time. If I could get rich hosting a feminist podcast of my own, I'd probably buy the LA Kings. They're right on the Zamboni. That was, I think it was one of my favorites of all time. That, yeah.

From Chilton Bloomstone, which is a very rich sounding name. I'm sorry, that's a name? Chilton Bloomstone of the Boston Bloomstone. Of course. Of course. Chilton Bloomstone IV, actually, if you remember. Thank you, Chilton Bloomstone. Thank you, Chilty.

And we must go on. We must introduce our guest today. Someone who we always love around these parts. Someone who you always love around these parts. Because I can tell by the posts and likes and interactions when you see this person's face. When we post about them being on this show. I want to introduce our guest today. The wonderful, the talented, my fellow bruin who will leave you in emotional ruin

it is blair sake what's up daily zeitgeist is your fucking boy blair back to fucking hang with my pals i i'm yet to do an aka i'd really have to dig deep to be vulnerable in that way. Cause if I could have the skills to execute, but maybe one day it's going to happen. Oh, I see. So you, you,

you adopt the like OC surfer affects as like your shield for your AKA. Oh my God. Oh my God. Miles. Jesus. Searing. So searing to my soul. I think Blair could do

an AKA as herself yeah thank you Jamie thank you very much I was just exploring that I saw that there was some hesitation through the Huntington Beach bad boy okay look first of all as a former resident of Orange County

I dispel I am not associated with Huntington Beach in any way, and I want everyone out there nationally to know that. I do not accept Huntington Beach as my own. Right. I mean, is that because of just the cool

Tito Ortiz and all the people of Huntington Beach and how they get down? Yeah, I think it has something to do with all the genius rhetoric uh that's coming out of there lately and all the very likable and safe sound-minded people are you what uh what part of oc did you grow up in san juan capistrano and san comani oh yeah very south okay okay i got you i. About 35 minutes south of Huntington Beach, many miles away. I've always thought of Huntington Beach as a great exchange of ideas.

It's a real. Yeah. The Paris commune, if you will. A lot of free, gorgeous, kind thinking comes out of there. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So I'm thinking that the world may not be ready for, honestly i don't think they are and you know what it's it's it's fine and

just you can y'all can just chill down there uh anyway let's get into what we're going to talk about obviously we're going to get to know you even better blair but let's talk about you know just a quick preview what we're going to divulge or discuss today first up a little bit of good news because uh big oil the fossil fuel earth fuckers, they're starting to take L's kind of. And I mean, it feels insignificant. But when you actually think about it, like, oh, this is actually significant. So we'll have a little bit of good news on that front. Then we're going to talk about, you know, the vaccine incentives seem to be working. The vaccine million thing in Ohio, they had their first winner i guess these

incentives are working to the point where now republicans are introducing bills to stop vaccine incentives because they're evil um okay uh and then we'll talk a little bit about a new development in instagram likes and sort of what came out of the research from instagram saying like do we need likes do people need likes is it healthy is it unhealthy? So we'll get into that. And also just talk about, you know, just a little bit of the origins of Cruella de Vil, which I did not really understand or know about. Our fabulous writer, JM, has given us a piece of that and says, you know what? Yeah, you know, they were doing Cruella pretty dirty. So, you know, maybe this movie can be a good chance to create a human being who isn't just a depiction of a woman in a car that's dangerous.

I've been saying for years I should be allowed to kill dogs. And it's not feminist to say that I shouldn't be doing that. Oh, OK. OK, we're going to get into that. But first, Blair, hit us with something from your search history that, you know, reveals a little bit about you. Okay, so I clicked on my Google search and the first things that came up were black tourmaline crystal. And then the second was, what has Post Malone been up to lately? What's the answer to that question?

I don't know. Like, what I love about Post malone is that he's constantly just like trying new things you know he's very unbound by any sort of uh convention or genre like you know he did that um the whole nirvana thing and he's always in crocs or like weird brand partnerships he just um beats to his own drum and i love that about him yeah he's a big dallas cowboys fan too like that's a big Dallas Cowboys fan, too. That's a huge part of his brand. I feel like the last thing I saw him in was the most ridiculous Dallas Cowboys suit.

Yeah, what I love about him is he's just a melting pot of so many things that you would never know could go together. Right, right. He contains multitudes. He sure does. right right he contains multitudes he sure does with like all the brand collaborations i feel like like jamie that's even something you i could see you be like yo jamie's got this she has a crock a donut uh like a whole like set of gas station sushi uh like i feel like a lot of different dope that's the dream there's an untapped market is Celeb gas station sushi. Celeb gas station sushi. I feel like it's, yeah, someone's got to step it up.

I would love to get on the ground floor of that because the branding on gas station sushi, I mean, they have a branding issue. It's not a product issue. I've never gotten sick. It's a trust barrier they have to overcome. it's a trust barrier they have to overcome and who better than a podcaster journalist, like fantastic creator that, you know, to you,

maybe you don't know, but I'm telling you the people at 76, you're going to want her face on these sushi packages. People are going to be running for them. It's true. I want to, I want to, I want to pledge my future movie star dollars to your gas station sushi

right now. Absolutely. I think you could turn this around for everyone. Thank you so much. So you're pledging your fortune right now. Yeah. I mean, some,

I like to consume sushi and if it was a on the go option that I trusted from Jamie Loftus, absolutely. I'm putting it down the gullet. It's a solid movie star investment to make. It's like when Mickey Rooney invested in circular hot dogs once. Are you serious? Yeah, he tried to make circle hot dogs happen.

He also tried to make soda for dogs happen. Wait, hold on. Like you take a Frank and just make it like a Halo? Like hamburger? Like hamburger pie? Or you mush it into a patty? It's kind of like it's like a really skinny meat donut is how i would describe what he was trying to do it was like in the 80s

and he was just like what if a so you can put it on a hamburger bun i think was the idea in the middle part is all like ain't nothing in the middle empty it didn't the business didn't work and soda for dogs soda for dogs was another failed business venture of Mickey Rooney's. I forget why I know this, but he had a lot of fun businesses that just totally ate shit. Soda for Dogs sounds like it could be a good idea. We're all pet lovers here, aren't we? Just want to make sure we're on the same page. I did just say that it should be legal for me to kill dogs.

That's fine. And that doesn't mean you don't love them. I thought you've been killing dogs for years. And you're merely just posing a question to what it means to be able to or not able to do something. But we all are dog lovers here, right? I just want to make sure we're on the same page. Oh, yeah. Okay.

So have you ever thought like, oh, I want my dog to know this. Because this dog soda thing sounds like a thing where you're like you think you know what a dog wants and you're like dogs man they want the soda and i feel like they need it i kind of wonder with an item for a dog i've never wanted to i've wanted to give people things to sunny but soda is not one of the things i felt like sad that dogs can't have chocolate it's like i've i have felt like actual sadness about that before like just walking around like on the street and be like damn they can really never have that you know yeah but i guess we don't we are egoic mind thinks we know what's best but really we have to give these dogs the dignity

of their own experience yes absolutely fantastic thank you so much it's true the insight yeah that because chocolate is even like one of those things when people like i don't like chocolate i'm like really like you dislike it i get if you're not saying it's your favorite thing when people are like oh i don't like it i don't like it i feel my heart it feels like when people say like i don't really like music and it's like how is that even like what are you talking about any music that makes no sense zeitgang i know we have a broad coalition of listeners if you are one of these people who says i don't really like music can you explain what that means to me like you you're like please turn that off i don't like it because i know some people are just ambivalent towards music they're like yeah i don't care if it's on keep up with stuff

or whatever but like that's different though don't you think yeah i think honestly those people that say they just don't like music as like a whole when there's i mean maybe one million different types of strains and genres it's really sort of a lack of vulnerability issue in my opinion they're unwilling to open up to something that could really deeply move them yeah they maybe haven't heard post malone yet i agree with you yeah oh man a good idea okay so uh let's move on uh blair what's something that you think is overrated? Okay, overrated. I'll take it.

I'm going to have to go and tell you guys. I have a really visceral reaction to when people use the word epic. Probably because I am from Orange County. And so, like, for me, it is when you, like, sort of like when you drank too much tequila when i in high school so you can now never have jose cuervo again but anyways yeah the word epic just makes me sort of shiver quiver in my bones so run it runs a little chill down my spine you know wow totally what like is there any is it in that sense you go oh it was fucking epic yeah yeah i reject the uh the ironic reclaiming of epic too i have no interest in the the reclaiming of epic

in random in the year 2021 what are you saying how are you seeing the use of epic like i'm i'm more narrow in my experience with that word and it's always been like bro vernacular yeah you know what it gives off a strong um senior copywriter like very confident um guy who works at like a marketing agency vibe you know and he's like yeah it was we had an epic weekend like out on the water and it was epic anyway blair thanks for covering for me and working all weekend man because honestly if you saw the fucking pics dude rod fucking did a back flip off his c-dude and landed that shit dude it was fucking e-p-i-c yeah it's like a word used to describe in a weekend where boys get really hurt they're like some boy got injured yeah it's like a word used to describe in a weekend where boys get really hurt

yeah like someone got injured yeah there's nothing there's probably crimes committed when someone's saying it was epic i must acknowledge like the general hypocrisy of me you know having aversion to that a word when that sort of is the whole um vibe in which i talk but you know the word itself i really don't like that much yeah yeah but your your energy transcends what we could ever you know pin to some kind of word or way of speaking so i wouldn't i wouldn't worry about that thank you so much yeah it's true it's true that's we only have transcendent guests on here that's just okay and finally blair what is something that you think is underrated? Okay, guys, I just got to be straight up with you.

Chip clips are incredible. Okay. You will not catch my cereal getting stale. No fucking way. Thank you, God, for this sophisticated ass invention that just brings joy and laser execution into my life. Chip clips are the silent, subtle assassin of adding overwhelming value while asking for little to no recognition. Chip clips are the Scottie pippin of household kitchenware what the yes yes cereal that totally i've is it am i like fucked up for not realizing that

yeah that i've never i've never sealed the cereal outside of like the box that's brilliant one day i just was walking by in the store and it was like a little thing sticking out in the aisle you know and i just grabbed like a whole like a um it had like a whole bunch of them on one thing and from that day on the amount of just my life improved skyrocketed. And it's like I'm putting those chip clips on frozen this and chips and cereal. And it's just incredible. It really is. Like which is it the ones that you it's like the straight bar.

So it's like a hair clip one or the one that's more like a binder clip. Because, you know, there's there's different bag clipping technology. There are different ones. I think of the second one is kind of like elegant where I was like like, oh, it's that kind of, it's a binder clip. Like the binder where you just pinch it on? Yeah, mine is actually not like a binder one. It's more fastened like a clothespin, but just really sleek plastic. And wow, it works really good.

Yeah, I remember as a kid, think because this the frequency at which i would eat cereal it wasn't really time for it to get stale you know because like it would probably be like a box of cereal probably be done within a week or so oh and then i remember like going to kids houses and like you know like their parents had like the shit in like the tupperware and like they would pour it out of like a tub and i would always be like y'all are fucking dumb you don't even know what cereal that is you fucking would always be like, y'all are fucking dumb. You don't even know what cereal that is. You fucking know what the box on it is. Y'all are fucking stupid. And then I'm like, yeah, that shit is way fresher.

How am I supposed to know what that is if there's not a cartoon? I know, but that just shows you by the child brain at the time. Like, man, this ain't Coco Crisp. Can't tell without the robbers on it. I like the taste of stale food. And so sometimes I'll like not clip the chips and then it creates household issues because Oh. Isaac will be like, you're a little mouse.

Like, why are you doing this? Why are the chips like soft? But I kind of like when the chips are soft. Wow. So you like, you're down with a little bit of stale chip, huh? I love a stale chip in a flat soda. I don't know what like i should i should just walk into the ocean i need to love people are just natural contrarians

yeah you know it's true if anyone prefers a stale chip let me know because it truly like doesn't bother me at all i enjoy it i wonder man that could be an interesting that's like your uh circular hot dogs is like pre-staled chips by jamie well yeah i'll just sell bags of chips that i already opened had three chips from and then put back in a cabinet for three weeks touch a stale from jamie loftus i hope this thing though too where i know people who put their chips in the refrigerator and I don't understand like clipped and in the refrigerator well that that sort of makes that sort of innovative my mom taught me to keep my coffee in the refrigerator which was something I never considered the beans whoa the ground beans I don't really fuck with a whole bean myself but

oh you get their pre-ground yeah i mean i don't have that much time or ambition for that many steps in my coffee process yeah yeah yeah i i usually just drink it out of a can that's how much energy i put into it but also a shout out to uh over at Timeless Coffee always sends me wonderful coffee that Her Majesty's drinks. Oh, my. Beans are like so good. I feel like I'm not worthy of good coffee because I'm just so used to drinking like Kirkland cold brew. But like when you actually get all these notes, you're like, oh, shit. I feel like I'm an ad executive who just said he had an epic weekend or something.

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And we're back. Let's talk a little bit about some good news for the Earth, because it was kind of a rough week if you're in the fossil fuel Earth desecration business. RuPaul. Yeah. Oh, my. Tough week for RuPaul and the fracking. Oh, frack.

Oh, my God. My favorite oil baron. Wait, is RuPaul a fracker? Sorry. RuPaul and his husband are notorious frackers. and yeah invested in his husband are notorious frackers i think that came out at like the beginning of the pandemic where like everyone found out that rupaul was fracking but then we kind of had bigger fish to fry but rupaul notorious fracker march 21st is when it came out and then rumors what's the timeline of this ridiculous rumors came out in august 28th

of 2020 oh wait no no that's after the fact man i'm so bad with numbers right now i still think it's 2020 sometimes okay but yes in this instance just let's just check in with exxon mobile okay heard of them probably they're one of the worst polluters on the planet an epic polluter epic dude that's where they're you know that shareholders meeting is just a a few dudes who are you know waiting to just say how epic the fucking the profits are but the enron annual fishing trip i fucking love that week it's favorite week of the year it's so sick dude we threw like spent plutonium rods into this lake to see what it would do the

fish and it was oil into the ocean use it as a fucking slip and slide my dude so at exxon mobil like a group of rogue shareholders were able to install two independent directors to their board of directors like this was a massive campaign because for the whole time, a lot of these shareholders, they're like, we own a lot of stock in this company. And just as a matter of a business practice, we think ignoring climate change is a terrible strategy because there's things like people's retirement and pension funds wrapped up in it. They're trying to be responsible. If we're going to be putting money in this it has to last so there was this entire campaign to essentially get like when these uh elections were happening get this massive groundswell of

support behind uh two of these new directors on their 12 person board and this is like again it sounds like okay well it's fucking two verse 10 but yeah this is the first time there's ever been like people who are there to be like i completely disagree with everything you're saying and i'm also on this board like it was all it was either done you know light touch or whatever but never to this extent so you know right a bit of discomfort for them that's i mean that's generally positive it's so i mean this is also fucking bleak in general where they're like wait a second we need the earth to last a little longer if we're going to continue to profit off the earth so i guess we can't blow

everything up so like let's slow i i mean i guess that this was gonna have to happen eventually but i don't know this is the other ridiculous thing the amount of money spent before this these votes were tabulated was like a full-on like millions of dollars were spent just to change the makeup of the board of directors to get two people who are less inclined to shit on the earth for more money for more money yeah they'll they'll make that money back in 45 seconds oh my god to the point where like exxon mobil they declared a recess in the middle of like the like the meeting because they were like oh fuck man i don't know if we got like enough votes for the people we want and they were trying to like stop the vote again and i think that's a

sign to show how fucked up and ghoulish all of this stuff is like the inner workings that it even costs millions to sway people to make more millions by abandoning a practice that is like just extracting minerals from the earth that are finite rather than, you know, what about unlimited? It doesn't even seem like a good business decision. I don't know i mean my assumption i don't know anything about the the board of exxon mobil but my assumption is they're all old as shit and don't care what happens in 20 years because they will have died yeah i wonder yeah the age makeup yeah what what that looks like and then chev, they also had something. They had a little bit of a shareholders smacked their little greedy hands back. 61% cast their support to get behind a proposal asking Chevron to cut its greenhouse gas emissions. They're like, look, I don't know, whatever you said is happening. It's not good enough for us. And they're like, well, we could do this. And we said we're doing this. And they're like, well, we could do this. And we said we're doing this. And

they're like, no, no, you've been just dragging your feet too long. So here it is. Please do this from all the way down from your operations to supply chains. This has to come down significantly. So again, I don't know. Seems like people, I guess the greedy, you know, people who are even have these shares and are willing to do this, they're even realizing that their, I guess the greedy, you know, people who are even have these shares and are willing to do this. They're even realizing their, I guess, money's at risk. So shout out to oil companies in the 11th hour realizing the earth needs to exist to make money on earth. Really incredible work, you guys. I mean, what do you think?

There's there's so many things when you read about climate change. It just becomes so disheartening. Because the last thing I read was like, satellites have been grossly underestimating the heating of the earth. I'm like, oh, my God. No, really? Yeah. They're these really fucking apocalyptic headlines. And it's truly one of like the multiple absurdities that we have happening concurrently in like global society where we're like, we're just like setting ourselves on fire. Sometimes I just can't go on Twitter because there's like at least one tweet a day where someone's like, good luck enjoying your day when the earth's going to be on fire in four years.

And I swear to God, that's seriously just what Twitter is distilled down to me for today. I'm like, do I want to go on there and see that? Because it does feel like a consideration for climate change feels like something that people are just now thinking about

in the last few years. Critically and seriously. i wonder if it's like because like there's this thing where like the old people who have been in charge of like a lot of these corporations like they're hearing maybe like their their own grandkids like hey i don't know if you do you do you know whatever just cut is there money on my credit card all right bye i don't know like if they're seeing more pressure, because I remember when I went to Alaska a few years ago, I was like, I visited a glacier and there was like this whole thing about being like,

look how significant this glacier was and how it's receded over the years. And there was this older couple who were there. Like the woman was like, oh my God, it's so horrible. And her husband was like, you believe in this stuff? And she's like, Bill, it's melting. Like it's, what do you mean? Like we're seeing it. Bill, it's so horrible. And her husband was like, you believe in this stuff? And she's like, Bill, it's melting. Bill. What do you mean?

Like, we're seeing it. Bill, it's melting. Bill, wake the fuck up. And he was like, I don't know. And she's like, but think about our grandkids. He's like, I don't know. It's like, I don't really have time for that. And they just kept going.

And I was like, wow, what a moment to just see. I guess, yeah, everyone has their own indifference for things like that or can't fathom what their future is going to look like. Well, in general, it's easier to not think or not feel feelings than to feel the weight and truth of the feelings in your soul. Yeah. Bill's just like, not for me. But, Bill, it's melting. The way it was said. Bill, just like, not for me. It's melting. The way it was said.

Like, I don't believe in that. It's like, it's Ice Cube melting, though, Bill. No, no, no. Too many things I've already. We'll see. We'll see how it bears out. Oh, you want me to compartmentalize more? Consider the end of the planet today.

Come on now. Our beer tasting's in 40 minutes. I do agree, Blair, that logging into Twitter every day, it kind of becomes the remember you will die zone. Just like full-on memento mori anytime you're like,

oh, I just was hoping to see a couple little jokes. I wanted a couple little jokes this morning, but you're right, I will die. And sometimes I feel guilt. And I mean, I know this is a shadow aspect of myself, but I feel guilt for posting a joke when I'll see 20 tweets about all the crisis of today.

And then I forget like oh great now i've come on to a place where i feel guilt of being myself and what i feel my purpose to spread in the world is which is jokes and laughter you know whatever right yeah it's a very bizarre place to exist yeah for sure and i but i think that's just sort of like the surreal and fucked up nature of like social media is like when you're like there are these things where people contribute their words to it begins to just look as like your existence is sort of distilled to whatever is posted there uh when it's like right you saw how sad i was in person, guys. You would not be following me. Oh, totally. I've started. I don't do it on Twitter, but on my Instagram, I used to be like, I don't want to write sincere stuff on there. And now I write sincere stuff all the time. And sometimes I have that thought in my head where it's like oh like that like comedians who are like earnest

oh my god and then i'm like fuck you i give you guys so many jokes and stuff i can be sincere and my real true sensitive soul whenever i want but you're reminding me that i'm not being vulnerable with myself yeah now i feel guilty. Epic fail of a post. Your Instagram is such good vibes, Blair. I love it. That's so sweet. Thank you. Thank you, Jamie.

Oh, my God. I would say to all people, you know, again, we're facing omni crises all over in many different turns. again we're facing omni crises all over in many different turns um unfortunately like apathy around climate change is is the is the thing that is probably the biggest problem but at the same level it's like i think it's about figuring out how i think you know whether it's more people can't just symbolically do shit anymore and we need like real answers real regulation uh and as much as they want to be like well are your fucking light bulbs twisty and are your straws paper i'm like hey asshole i don't generate the fucking power oh my god when that like the straw thing came out it was hard for me to accept because i love a straw but also i was just like okay great

the straws but why aren't we getting rid of dodge rams you know first things first hey this lady's got some straws over here someone drives past you in a hummer is like excuse me that straw is... Slams the brakes. Hold on. Is that a plastic straw? Yeah, it's like I am concerned about the turtles. And it's like, good, I want the turtles to live. But like we do also have to reckon with humankind as well.

Right. Well, speaking of reckoning with humankind, I just want to talk about vaccine incentives. It's been, you know, just all the rage. Speaking of reckoning with humankind, I just want to talk about vaccine incentives. It's been, you know, just all the rage. You know, we know in Ohio they're doing Vax-a-Million where, you know, a few people could, if you're vaccinated, you are eligible to win a huge million dollar cash prize. And last week they picked their first winner. And it was 22-year-old Abby Boginski from Cincinnatiati who when a 22 year old got a million dollars she was on her way to buy a used car when she got the call from the governor to be like hey you want it's like are you fucking what is this joke dude i gotta go buy a used car and they're

like no no seriously seriously like you know you won the vax a million thing she says she doesn't know how she plans to spend the money but some will be donated and some will go to the new car she's been wanting and the rest will probably be invested so god what a level-headed incredible young woman i was kind of like yeah what a sensible what a sensible gal or she knows how to just say the right thing she's like yeah donated uh to my baller fund and then the rest will go to my new ass sick ass mercedes i'm gonna pull up in but yeah she won and now many other states have realized yes the thing that america does in american culture like we incentivize shit to get people to do things that's like how everything's built really what do i get yeah what do i get so because of that california is going to be doing

something where they're we got like over 116 million for certain incentives. I don't know what that's going to turn out to be. There's the governor of West Virginia. He did a thing with like his little dog who was like this bulldog. And he's like, look at, look at little baby dog. How are you going to say no to my dog? And it's just like this grumpy looking bulldog. And they're doing things. They know how to incentivize shit over there. Cash prizes, college scholarships, and 10 pickup trucks. Okay? So everybody's got their version now.

I feel like that's, I mean, there's a bleak way of looking at it. But it's also like, I don't know. I mean, we should have been paid to fucking stay home last year. I feel like a lot of the reason that people are so, like, would be down to get vaccinated for a chance at a million dollars is because of all these other failures so right i don't know i'm like yeah sure like whatever vaccine lottery let's go do what you gotta i mean look as the numbers stall out and they're like there's you know who knows what else is going to come around the the bend in terms of variance and things like that. Like we want to be able to get some semblance of normalcy back. Obviously, never the same, but some sense.

Well, no one's been incentivized to deal with the pandemic very well, like by the government, at least. I don't know. No, right. Exactly. Because if everything was, hey, we get it. We had to shut businesses down. Therefore, we're stopping your bills because how the fuck could you pay them if you're not working? We're not animals or mons.

Oh, wait, no, we are. So you're going to have to figure it out. You're going to face a huge bill in about two years. Good fucking luck. I love the idea of, like, one of these, like, QAnon people that's like, no, not my, no way, I'm not getting the vaccine. And then he's like, wait a minute. A pickup truck? Okay, count me in.

I'm getting me a new truck. Forget everything I said. Because I think for a lot of people, it's just like a take that you're on a side of. Or you're just sort of uninformed. So some people might be like, at the end of the day, you're like, weird like own the libs ideology isn't as great as my passion for a dodge ram yes i own the libs but give me these truck nuts yeah oh god wait truck nuts if you get vaccinated hold on okay i'll take the prick shot but i think you know it all depends because some people they want money some people want trucks some people want hugs but at the end of the day what we do know is the anti-vax crowd is very

angry about this because the legislators over there have introduced a fucking bill that is like they're like you can't make anyone get a vaccine. You can't even say the word vaccine. You can't even like ask someone to get one. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What is this? So let me just read the description. The legislation would ban vaccine requirements on customers, employees, or students from businesses, hospitals, nursing homes, K through 12 schools, colleges, daycares, or others. It would also prevent governments, insurers, or businesses from offering incentives for people to get vaccinated or even requesting that people get vaccinated under the bill a small business owned by asthmatics or

cancer survivors both of whom are at higher risk of serious covid19 complications would have no legal right to require even request that employees or customers who come inside be vaccinated you know people love to if you have a business, I thought you could tell everybody you could do what you please. But I guess this is very, I guess, logical. Sometimes you hear anti-vax people say, well, it's about personal choice, too. Right. But like to then completely vilify the vaccine, that isn't going to work. That's not that's I don't I'm not I'm not sure what that outcome you're looking for is aside from just being like, stop it. People are agreeing with this.

That logic is so interesting, though. And like, I do understand that. It's I know I've heard a lot of people say that it's about the idea of being forced and the loss of freedom. But I mean, like, what about like all of those vaccines that we all had to get to go to school when we were three or four? Like, what about those? You know what? I never had them and I never take flu shots and I never get sick. So that's another ideology, too, which is main character syndrome, where you think every single person has the same immune system you do.

And maybe because you've not met people who've had complications. We've had guests on this show who have dealt with covid complications in the past, like, you know, candidly, and we're like, oh God, that's awful. It's not the same for anyone. And to have that like singular mindset is so awful. Meanwhile, there are millions of people dying all over the world. And if you look at even just generally, right, I think as Americans, people don't realize the benefit of the decades of your genetics being like having an American infrastructure behind it, what that does for your health outcomes over the years, because it's very clear in America, the people who don't have easy access to healthcare,

especially people of color, their health outcomes are much different than people who've grown up generationally, you know, middle class or just in just out of poverty um and to think that that would apply to other places is like totally absurd and takes for granted like the process to which you even become something here yeah and on top of that like the dissonance of people saying like oh well i didn't get vaccinated and i never got like the mumps and it's like well yeah because everyone around you got fucking vaccinated you like what are you talking about but i thought we had to get those like yeah for school yeah like all those measles and mumps vaccines yeah and there's a thing that always make me cry and i remember dr carter he would always give me a lollipop that he would i remember this as a kid

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everyone's minds and like what are we going to do about it well for the last two years instagram has been doing i guess a lot of research and testing to figure out like what the best outcome is and it's a little anticlimactic. This is from a post that they just put out. It says, quote, what we heard from people and experts was that not seeing like counts was beneficial for some and annoying to others, particularly because people use the like counts to get a sense of what's trending or popular. So we're going to give you the choice, meaning as a user, if you, for you, it's better to be like, yo, I don't give a fuck. And I don't, it actually, I'll be more free if I can just post and not be tethered to like this idea of a numerical like count based on what I've submitted to the earth from my own brain and soul. You can turn the light counts off. And then for others, if you if you just have to know and you've got to know what's popular, you can keep them on. But it turns out like when this was announced it was super polarizing like

from people really being like us talking about it yeah i thought i think i would i will probably turn it off i mean i haven't posted to my grid in like a year or something but i probably would do that because i've always just had i think my relationship to social media is like morphed in a weird way over time where i'm like let's like i feel like we've been hearing rumors about the likes disappearing for the past five years i've never seen it happen or i don't know if it's something that's still coming this mythological thing that would happen i have now adopted probably in my geriatric age the idea the very very clear idea that instagram and social media is so bad for our mental health and our hearts and our souls and you know after watching that movie the social dilemma that everyone you know talks about the idea of like children getting because like kids get instagram at like 10 and

shit now and you know their sort of value and currency is so visually measured at a tender age where everyone is so ugly and uncomfortable and like just feeling so already that way and to have it just, I don't know. I think it's really sad. It made me really sad and worried for kids that like even more than it already is in that developmental stage that it's like all our value is outsourced and not coming from inside ourselves.

It really worries me deeply. Well, this is the thing. So there have been, in the last few years, a lot of research has gone into this. Like a lot. Because again, I think everyone was on some level being like, yeah, I know this doesn't feel good all the time. But it turns out there was a...

First, they did a 30-year study of teenagers and technology to just sort of see what this intersection of smartphones, social networks, and changes in mental health were. And there's another one, too, in the New York Times that was just looking at what the effect is on the mental health of children when they're interacting with these things. And they found that it doesn't move the needle that much. There's a lot more factors that affect that going into it than the social media itself. Now, they're not saying relax. It's fine. They're like it's a it is a spectrum of results.

But it's they said through their research, very hard to pinpoint, like, say, oh, yeah, there's the connection right there. And I think it's because, yeah, I think I just don't think that's true. And I think it's because, yeah, I think I just looked at it no almost everyone would say like no i don't feel great after even if it's very low level you know what i mean there's some so i mean i think that's the truth to be honest that's your truth you know i mean yeah it is my truth i think i also think there is something to the environment because poor kids don't have smartphones and their outcomes are different too like based on what your emotional socioeconomic environment is like when you're a kid too has a lot of an effect on like how you navigate life but yeah i do but i definitely

agree with you blair that on some level there is like some slight i don't know and i think maybe this is this could be generational or just because we look at the world in similar ways that like it does have an effect i'm like it did i feels like a slight deficit sometimes uh on like on some level well it's also always just a thing about even inadvertently without realizing it unconsciously work in a almost steady, ceaseless state of consuming instead of being in our own like singular energy. Like it's I don't know. I find it. I find it alarming. Yeah.

It's alarming. Yeah. But I think that's why I think people have over the years, especially on this show, we hear constantly how everyone says social media is overrated with some connection to it being like it doesn't do it like it used to. I used to be so annoyed when I would see tweets or like by people like shitting on social media. I would be like, just get off it then. social media i would be like just get off it then but then i'm now especially after seeing that that movie it really scared me for young girls and like that 200 or percent increase in suicides or something like that really freaked me out and also i think all those um filters for faces are really scary for young kids like we're all just morphing into like homogenized like instagram face it's it's scary i think now that i've bummed out everyone yeah i i don't really know i mean i i agree with

you blair that especially with body image stuff it is so like pervasive in a way that feels like well there's like how could you possibly deny that you know or it's it's whatever it's the the monkey's paw of like the the connectivity to the world is so much bigger but the ways to like target people younger and younger is uh bigger i don't i mean but but then it's like i guess for this this decision, as far as this Instagram decision goes, it makes sense to me that you could turn it on or off where I feel like for so many of us, like I'm glad these studies are being done, but for so many of us, unfortunately, I think the damage is kind of done. And like some of us are going to be able to improve our relationship towards social media. But like most people who grew up online, like it just doesn't.

Maybe this is a bummer, too. But it's like I honestly don't think that my relationship with social media is going to get much better. For as long as I have the career that I do and I like can't not be on it, I don't see it improving. And so it's like, yeah, it would be nice to shut off likes every once in a while but also it's like i'll probably turn them back on i it's you know for i feel like generationally there's been a lot of damage and what i would hope is that there are like options and restrictions put on social media that can prevent damage like that for kids who are like growing up online in inevitably right now and then I feel yeah like millennials and gen z it's it's like

we were kind of raised in the wild west of social media and I feel like we'll just continue to see the effects of that as time goes on but But honestly, like, if all of social media changed overnight in a way that is like, oh, this is going to be so much healthier for you. I feel like I would panic. Like, I don't know what I would do. I like it is so it's like, whatever, you know, you I like I guess my first social media platform was like MySpace. And I remember like counting comments on my profile pictures when i was like 11 or 12 years old and like that's just how you that's and and it starts with kids younger and younger and i don't know there's no easy solution for it because no and i think i think

that's what's interesting about this function is like rather than trying to as a platform determine what's best they can just say like look dude you can there are options here to like have an experience the way you want it or if you get really turnt up on seeing the numbers next to the thing then go ahead like knock yourself out yeah to everyone's point i think everyone on some level has been examining their own relationships to social media and like what that does for their themselves and what that might mean for like reinforcing a sense of identity or feeling good about what you do. And then you just figure out, well, maybe I don't need it. Maybe. And I think to your point, Blair, like we live off of these fucking screens, man. Like we don't live on Twitter. We don't live on

Instagram. I know some people do or think that everything that happens there is their life, but realizing like to be in your own physical body and like, you know, enjoying that and finding a way to pivot off of that, I think has been for me personally, a fantastic thing. You know, like I can ride a bike and shit. Yeah. Do some trees and take a walk. Yeah, I've really gone deep into trying to dive back into my body, especially in quarantine i really did renegotiate my entire relationship to social media and you know that's always an ongoing process but like i think in the beginning of quarantine i took my first two-week break in like eight years or something and it was

like my brain completely just like like regenerated it was just like it felt like it was like gasping like when you come up from underwater it was like getting air for the first time and um now what i do is i basically only use it from my laptop and i um delete it from my phones the the for the during the day and unless i have to repost something then i am forced to download the app but that has been how many times have you downloaded and deleted redownloaded because i do it every day yeah i love it yeah you're just like oh fuck it all right it's just one small barrier though for me to take back some of my goddamn freedom because i'm always you know we do it unconsciously it's like i i realize like

half the time that i'm looking at it it's just like um some habit it's not like i consciously thought hmm you know what i'd really like to do right now have a look at instagram you know it was just an unconscious action yeah it is such a individual journey of like navigating like how is this going to be able to, how am I going to have a life outside of this and what are, I don't know. Because I know people who love it and aren't, like they to me seem completely free of the ills of social media. And I'm like, huh?

How are you? Are you lying? They could be lying. Yeah, they could be. But, you know, sometimes you can tell when someone's like low-key, like spooky and sad underneath it all. Yeah. I mean, if I wasn't a comedian, I would delete it today.

I would delete it today, babes. I would be gone, disappeared. You'd never see me again. But you're more than a comedian, Blair. You know? I wouldn't. That's it. Like, I wouldn't delete.

I don't know. I feel like there are some ways where it's, like, it's like social media has fucked my brain up irrevocably. And then other ways where I'm like, there are ways that I communicate better through those channels or talk to people, I feel like, more cogently or whatever. Talk to people you'd never be able to meet or talk. I don't know. It's so tricky and then i also feel like there is this pressure to like perform having a better relationship with social media than you actually do like i know that like anytime someone's like whatever posting to instagram about how they're not going to be on instagram as much and then i'm just like i think you're lying like i don't know it's it's so that's what i think that's why it's so fucked up is because it's this way where you think you can read like people can now see who you are and derive from that like a truth. And then you're even questioning, like, is this performative? Is it not? Because I think that's what sort of like the thing, the sort of momentum of questioning or inner monologue that happens. I'm like, oh, my God. Okay. Like, I was just wanted to look at a picture. And now I'm like, is this person like? oh my god okay like i was just wanted to look at a picture and now i'm like is this person like well we i mean the truth is though even we like download ideas of what is acceptable and unacceptable through our mirror neurons like that's our first access point in psych through

our retina so it's like i mean these things do have a big impact on us subconsciously without us even realizing it. Like when I see this is just a small example, but when I see women posting pictures like with their cellulite and stuff like I'm like, that is fucking cool. It seems like a really small thing, but they're doing it deliberately. And I'm like, oh, that makes me feel more comfortable with myself and then when i'm following only airbrushed models you know what i mean or just i mean that's just one example of like many many many different facets of it but it is a weird very weird thing well because i think that's the version like the insidious part is like the manicured version of life that is unattainable and really not close to reality. And then people who want to like sort of shift the paradigm to be like things should need to be more honest, like rather than fantasy town.

Because it's those are the people I'm drawn to. Yeah. Yeah. OK, let's talk about somebody from the Disneyverse. Someone who I don't know. I just thought was somebody with a cool haircut and wild behind the wheel. But Cruella de Vil, the Cruella film, came out over the weekend. And yeah, people seem to be enjoying it.

It's not getting like, you know, panned or anything. And it's an interesting moment because I think on some level I was like, oh, they're doing more origin stories. But, you know, JM, our writer writer sort of went down of how this evolution of cruella de vil went down and like oh yeah maybe this humanized version is something useful considering how you know disney has a a habit of being like oh my god evil lady or coded gay evil guy what are we gonna do yeah so this keeps an opportunity for them to possibly do something now i haven't seen the film but i do but we do know what has happened before it. So no spoilers.

This is a spoiler-free discussion of the Cruella film. So a couple of things popped up to JM was that first, I think, and this is true for a lot of kids, that even though Cruella seems like, what, why would people, are people really remembering Cruella de Vil to be its own character? There is a thing though, that kids are attracted to the villains.

We like when you're young, there's something interesting. Or you're like, oh, there's something more energizing when the villain comes on. They always have the best songs, too. That's true, actually. Straight up, the villain songs are always the best ones. Who's your favorite villain song? You also need polarity to make the good guy good absolutely but it's something i think about like that sort of like fuck you sense of power that a super villain has or something that's like yeah cool like i bet they

could eat cookie crisp out the fucking box without problems the second thing interesting and jamie i know you're loving this the The director? I know. Who's directing Cruella, Jamie? Mr. Gillespie himself, the director of I, Tonya. Okay. A.K.A. my favorite movie ever. And that's why I was like, damn, I really am going to go see Cruella, aren't I? Because I have to support Mr. I, Tonya's work.

And, you know, seems like this could be a similar story, you know, on some level. And that guy, Paul Walter Hauser, who played the, what's his name, Sean, what's his name, in I, Tanya, he plays one of the goons in Cruella. Okay, okay. The I, Tanya universe is really at play in Cruella. Well, The Itania universe is really at play in Cruella.

Wow, I'm excited for this movie. I can't wait to see it. Blair, what did you did you like Cruella de Vil as a kid? Like when the animated, the animation or the animated version came up? Yeah, I loved it. I mean, I loved all those Disney movies. I was actually just like remarking about this the other day

on how actually like dark and sinister a lot of those like murderous plot lines were like when you think of Bambi you're like holy shit this is like the heaviest plot line to put in the psyche of a child like you could ever see

but I also I'm like yeah these are badass stories I like Lue i'm i'm not lying i saw bambi fucking once yeah okay we had that the vhs and that soft ass case you know back in the day and the disney movies all came in that padded case because i guess like kids were injuring themselves yeah and i remember yo the second the mom got capped i was in tears shattered and like i made my mom turn it off and that was it i couldn't even go past that i was like i'm off this mom i think for the i think for a lot of children like especially our generation that was

that moment was the first moment of realizing like oh i parental mortality that in the lion king yeah we're like well yeah for sure yeah the lion king was i there's my friends who have kids like i heard i was like catching up with with friends from home the other day and they were like talking about like oh when are you going to be comfortable showing your kid the lion king because of like the whole mufasa thing where i was like oh my parents didn't think fucking twice they're just like yeah life is short watch it now i buy used costumes from roller rinks right right so i think i turned out fine i think so i mean did you stop at the moment you saw it because i think there's version i for whatever reason the bambi thing, I could not go on.

I just could not go on. But I think maybe because Bambi was my first Disney-based drama, when I saw Lion King, I was a little bit older and had already had family members pass away and had dealt with something that I was like, that's sad, but I didn't, maybe it didn't hit me as hard. The other thing is, this whole thing with Cruella de Vil, it's a derivative work from a book that was written by Dodie Smith, 101 Dalmatians. Oh, and I, for the record, I love the animated series.

I, I, my first dog was a Dalmatian that we bought in Silmar. That was like, these dogs were so inbred, but that was like, that's, I remember my dad saying that. And I learned what inbreeding was at six years old. my dad goes he's like a couple years for you and i'm like what he's like they're inbred i'm like what does that mean he's like it means the brothers and the sisters or the mom they all have to have sex to make the new ones to keep the dogs looking that way and i was like let's bring our dog home and now i'm a guy who hosts a podcast and talks about used costumes from roller rinks. It all worked out great in my opinion.

Honestly, I want to give you like a kudos. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So this book by Dodie Smith, you know, it's been argued that Smith, who herself had no children and was a successful author, she had to adopt a male pseudonym just to get in the business, which I've never heard of this. What? Someone faking it to get in?

I've never heard of this. So she had to use a pseudonym, get in, and then made Cruella essentially a satire of male paranoia, that there could be this independent, wealthy, rebellious woman with no children and therefore must be pure evil and that was sort of like the wink of that character but you know the epic bros of 1956 were not as uh clear on getting that nuance uh because once disney bought the ip and gave it over to a group of guys who like they called like the nine old men like not even a joke

like that's what this group was called that turned the the character completely like on its head and made it something completely different and just be like oh she's an evil woman and she's wacky and rich oh no kids you've seen this yeah just like any i mean that's like disney's full of like villains that are like women over 40 that like are not mothers that have just stopped breastfeeding moments before the scene like it's so right yeah it is uh like and the same thing happened in the 96 remake yeah with glenn close right isn't that isn't that the 96 was that 96 yeah that was 96 i re-watched that movie not too long ago it's bizarre but glenn close is really good it sounds like it because in this one it wasn't about being like a wealthy independent

woman who had no children this version was oh successful women are fucking dangerous yeah suddenly gorilla deville's like this fashion executive. She's literally Miranda Priestly. Right. And makes these speeches that are about, quote, the talent-killing dullness of marriage and child-rearing. Oh, wow. That's a little on the fucking nose bone. And then even the reviews are like, we're calling the film out, quote, for its pretty retrogressive tone. Where everyone's like, what happened to this thing and then there's like the other

thing the road rage you know i think a lot of people think remember from the the film or the animated version uh when she's driving around that like dope ass hot rod and shit and she's got like demonic face and all this shit going on so that was the other thing a huge thing that a lot of people like this is um i think this feels like if it's the nine old men perhaps this has something to do with the anti-suffragette movement where you know essentially for women looking for who are trying to have the right to vote the arguments were like oh like after the fact like oh these people these women want to have the right to vote and all this other shit they're the whole idea of women driving cars was like a political symbol.

They can't even drive. I love that. It's like, oh, these broads are hysterical. Look at them. Look at them. They get behind the wheel. It's wacky. You see what happens when a woman is mobile?

They're immoral and criminal. I remember it's so funny because both the henchmen goon guys and her, I recall so deeply feeling so much anxiety when both of them were in the driving scenes because they're like semi flying out of the cars the entire time in the cars, like going like that. In all the scenes, it was just chaos. Hugh Laurie is one of the guys, too, in the 96 one. He's like one of the, whatchamacallit, the bad guys. Right. Oh, this is an all-star cast. Got Kirby in the film, too. Star-studded, baby.

What are you going to do? So, yeah, I mean, like, looking at all this, and I haven't seen it, and I'm definitely down to see it. Because I remember even seeing the trailer when it came out. I was like, what? It's kind of like Hot Topic, late aughts aesthetic. But I was down with that then and I'm down with it now. Did you have pinstripe pants that you wore? Yeah, I was like, oh, this is a little bit Jack Skellington.

I was like, oh, dual tone. And then it's like all the merch from this movie says like, 100% devil, like shit like that. I kind of miss that era of graphic design. They're trying to bring it back. Hell yeah. So, you know, we'll see what happens for people who have seen it. You know, let us know your thoughts. We've heard mixed things, but I'm curious to see what they how they treat this character and the depiction of Cruella this time around.

So I think it'll be all right. We'll see, though. We'll see. See, more reasons to go. That's another thing I want to do. Go to a movie soon. Me too. I haven't gone.

And also, I'm excited to see Emma Stone. I think she's really talented. And I recently watched Crazy Stupid Love, which happens to be one of the movies, besides forgetting Tara Marshall, that I have seen the most times because they just used to like play it over and over uh were were you on jamie when we were talking about that like recently about no we we just did a bechtel cast episode oh did you yeah yeah i think offhand they always just talk about that scene where he's like dude don't sip from the straw like it looks like you're what

did he say like you're sucking on a tiny pecker or something when he's making it all homophobic to use a straw and a cocktail yeah yeah is it fellas is it gay to use a straw like all right well blair thank you so much for joining us and coming through with again your energy your wonderful sensibility and perspective. Where can people find you and follow you and support you? My God, Miles. What are you, my best friend? I'm your most epic bro, fool.

Thank you. My best looking bro, dog. Okay. Well, you can support me if you also want to be my friend on my social media, which as I have told you, I am a huge fan of. And it's at Blair Socky, B-L-A-I-R-S-O-C-C-I. And that's on Twitter and Instagram. And then the other thing that I want to tell you guys about my Zyke gang that I love, that I want to tell you guys about,

my Zyke gang that I love. I will be hosting another virtual Breathwork event on June 22nd. And I've done two of them before and they've been really cool. So if you want to have a bodacious time and lose your mind, get your tickets in my LinkedIn bio. There it is.

There it is. And is there anything from your social media that you would like to shout out as something that gave you a pleasant reaction that you would like to share with the list oh sure yeah you know i brought a tweet for you this is from my my friend amy miller hilarious comedian and you know simple but made me laugh she so she wrote a lady at target just looked at me pointed to her full cart and, I don't need any of this shit. Someday you meet an icon.

Yo, no joke. I called that tweet out yesterday because I love this. Oh, that's terrible. Oh, my God. We love Amy. That shit just makes me laugh so hard because I just love just that person, too. Oh, yeah, we all recognize ourselves yeah I don't need any of this shit and you're like I don't know why you're telling me that

but fuck yeah all right cool like I appreciate the honesty um okay Jamie how about you thank you so much for you know being around and co-hosting and helping right this ship hey listen i'm glad i'm gonna let jack out of my freezer in a minute it was really really nice uh to trap him in my freezer for the last couple of hours i hope he had a good break yeah you can uh i'm all the regular places on instagram and twitter being very unhealthy probably uh you can listen to the Bechdel cast every week. I have a new podcast about Kathy Comics coming out at the end of June. That is, I don't know.

Yeah, I'm finishing it. And it's been harder to do than I thought. There's a lot going on with the Kathy Comics. It's going to be a can't miss series. Like everything you do. We prop our lonely butts up by having you on like damn jamie coming through and blair i can just cover for my mediocrity please i'm so this is such a good crew today i'm so happy that we all got to like hang out and talk

yeah i know it's it was so great to see guys. You know, I love you both so much and admire you and your work and what you bring to the world and your spirits. Oh, you know what? We might have to all link up for a movie soon. Hell yeah. Let's all go see Cruella. Yeah. Oh, man, that would be dope. Actually, we'll put a pin in that.

Because, you know, the thing is, you want to go like I when I go, I wanted to be with, you to be with people who are sort of in a similar... Yeah, we're doing this for the first time, too. Yeah. Go to CityWalk. Get a hot dog. See a movie. Jamie, straight to my fucking North Hollywood heart. You know we're going to fucking CityWalk.

You know we're going to CityWalk. Oh, God. Get a Voodoo donut. A little stale. Well, my body responded to the idea of going to CityWalk with friends. I was like, oh. I know, it's wild. You know, we'll tell, look, LA's I gang, you know,

maybe there'll be an epic thing. They're like, oh, a crowd of 20 people is at CityWalk. But hey, it's a movement. And also, Jamie, is there a tweet that you like? Something you can call out for us? I was going to shout out a uh moona meyer tweet she's at moona m-u-n-a underscore meyer uh tweet is you're gonna love the friends reunion if you enjoy watching people in their 50s struggle to remember stuff that happened in their 20s for two hours straight which was i had i had the friends reunion on in the background yesterday

and that was kind of the gist of it it was just like a bunch of yeah it was had the friends reunion on in the background yesterday, and that was kind of the gist of it. It was just like a bunch of, yeah, it was just the friends being like, hey, do you remember this? And then the other person is like, no, but I believe you. And it was just kind of the whole thing. What the fuck? Well, hey, I'm sure like if you're a hardcore fan, like things I'm really into, like merely just seeing the people together say words i'm like oh i like yeah reunion special vibes are fun but when it's been

when it's been like 20 years they're like i don't really remember that but it's nice to see you some tweets that i'm liking it's really just one and i just thought it was really fun funny but it's really it's it's a very again this joke is literally a Venn diagram and it's only gonna make sense to this Venn diagram of people which is you've seen the Sopranos and you know and you've listened to the Olivia Rodrigo album but it's a Venn diagram with Livia Soprano on one side and Olivia Rodrigo on the other and Livia Soprano is Tony's mother, who is a very miserable character. And in the overlap, the Venn diagram says, well, good for you.

You look happy and healthy. Not me, if you ever cared to ask. Good for you. You're doing great out there without me like a damn sociopath. And it's just this image of Olivia in her bed. And you can just see it. Anyway, wonderful, wonderful content. You can find me at MilesVGray on Twitter and Instagram.

Also, the other podcast, 420DayFiance. And you can find that on Twitch.tv slash 420DayFiance. And yeah, Daily Zeitgeist. Find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist, on Instagram at TheDailyZeitgeist. We got websites, you know, fan pages, all that. Check us out, DailyZeitgeist.com. We, you know, fan pages, all that. Check us out, dailyzeitgeist.com. We'll post the episodes and the footnotes. Footnotes. Thank you so much.

And that is where we will also link off to the song that we will ride out on. And I believe, let me just get it here. Sorry, one second. It should just be driver's license for like three weeks in a row. Just on a loop. Until you guys get it. It's a meet the moment. Until y'all get it.

We're going to listen to it. Deja vu until you listen to it. This is actually a great album from a wonderful combination of musicians here. Now, if you're not into, you know, the 60s, 70s jazz thing, you might not know about Lonnie Smith, George Benson, Ron Carter, Joe Lovato, but this is an album called Aphrodisia. And this track is called Apex. And it's just, you know, great, easy listening. Just to break it up a little bit.

I've been playing a lot of remixes, so I want to play something old and like with human beings blowing wind through instruments and playing instruments as well. So we'll go out on that. Come back in a little bit for trends. And then we'll see you later. Have a great day. Peace and blessings. And we'll go out on that. Come back in a little bit for trends and then we'll see you later. Have a great day. Peace and blessings.

And we'll talk to you then. Bye. Bye. Bye. Kay hasn't heard from her sister in seven years. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do.

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