The Daily Zeitgeist - Apocalypse Making Kids Sad? Fake Mozz Sticks! 12.08.22

Episode Date: December 8, 2022

In episode 1387, Jack and Miles are joined by hosts of Matter of Degrees, Dr. Leah Stokes and Dr. Kathrine Wilkinson, to discuss… Climate Change As Mass Mental Health Event, Pretty Thorough Takedown of Effective Altruism, TGI Friday’s Mozz Sticks Got No Mozz--a Lawsuit Against the Manufacturer Claims and more! Pretty Thorough Takedown of Effective Altruism TGI Friday’s Mozz Sticks Got No Mozz--a Lawsuit Against the Manufacturer Claims LISTEN: Lil Thing by Knox FortuneSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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get your podcast presented by capital one founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to season 266 episode four of your daily zeitgeist production of iheart radio just 400 shy of the season that we've all been waiting for season 666 we're so close yeah because i'm cool and stuff fucking twisted uh this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and it's thursday december 8th 2022 is it no that what would this be the 17th day of Christmas? So we don't do that. Oh, I was like, where are you going with this?

What sort of birds do they give you on the 17th day of Christmas? 17 pigeons flocking? 17 dead pigeons. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Mama Take This Glass From Me. I can't chug it anymore. My milky throat's too thick to speak. Feel like I'm nogging on heaven's door. Nog, nog, nogging on heaven's door.

Yeah, I know you wanted to cut me off before. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, nog, nogging on heaven's door. Yeah, I know you wanted to cut me off before. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, yeah, yeah. Nog, nog, nogging on heaven's door. All right, that is courtesy of Blake Rogers. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, when Miles is out, by a very special guest co-host, one of the EPs on this very network, the King of Sting sting that bitch on twitch

it's dj daniel good man get your lighters up for that aka well done jack you you totally crushed that one oh man yes flat coming out of the gates but i think you sounded great it is your boy dj daniel happy to be here aka i forgot to ask someone on twitter but i'll stick with mr steal your aerial yes check me out on twitch playing Rocket League and being bad at it. Anyway, happy to be here. Steal Your Aerial. Yeah, it's when you fly up in the air and hit the ball. I don't know.

It's a real niche joke for the people who play the game. They're like, oh, I get that. And for 98% of the listening audience, they're like, what are you talking about? I thought you were headed for Steal Your Aeriala. Whoa. I'm very confused. Whoa. That would be a weird nickname. That's a differentola. Whoa. Very confused. Whoa. That'd be a weird nickname.

That's a different podcast. Yes. Anyways, we are thrilled to be joined in our third and fourth seats by the hosts of the podcast, A Matter of Degrees, which tells stories about the powerful forces behind climate change and the tools we have to fix it. Please welcome the brilliant and accomplished Dr. Leah Stokes and Dr. Katherine Wilkinson! What's up guys? Hey.

Hi. I like to make the intros extra dumb when we have like esteemed guests so that you guys just know what you're in for. We're not real doctors, just to be clear. I mean, we have doctorates, but we can't not perform surgery or anything like that. Just want to get that out of the way. No, not even like stitches, barely a band-aid. Doctors nonetheless. That counts in my book. Amen. Yeah. If I even got close to a doctorate, I would make people call me doctor, including my kids and a wife.

Who is a doctor? Who is a doctor? Who is a doctor? Like an actual doctor. Yeah, she's an actual doctor. That might annoy her a lot. Yeah. I think you should stay undoctorated for the foreseeable future.

I'm annoyed by the fact that she's a doctor. And when we say, hey, how was your day? She has life- changing stories of how she you know helped people and i'm like i almost introduced miles and danil was the guest host it's a mess babe how are you guys doing where are you coming to us from well i'm in sunny santa barbara california the best place to live in america i love it here it's always beautiful here that's wonderful shout out i am uh i'm joining from atlanta georgia which i mean holla fucking luya it is a good day amen to that yes yes very true wow thank goodness Yes. Hold it out by the skin of our teeth. I'm assuming.

Thank you for your service. Oh, yes. Voted for the right side on that one. Oh, yes. The left side is, I think, what you meant to say. There we go. The left side being the right side. Indeed.

Yes. Well, that's good. That's big news that I think we're all happy. Two days later, I guess. But, yes. Good day. Right. Because this drops tomorrow. Yeah yes, good day. Right. Because with this drops tomorrow.

Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good. It'll still be a good day. It'll still be a good day in Georgia. Blue Georgia. Six years.

You know, it's a lot. Like if we'd had to have Herschel Walker for six years. Oof. I don't think he would have lasted. No. I don't know. I think he probably would have quit. That or the werewolves would have gotten him.

Yeah, the werewolves. That's right. Or vampires. An actual werewolf attack. That would have been impressive. Anyways, we're going to get to know you both a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today. I want to talk to you both about climate change as a mass mental health event that gets

ignored by the mainstream media. We might talk a little bit about effective altruism, that movement, and just what we're learning about the truth around that movement. And I'd be, again, curious to hear y'all's thoughts on on that one we are going to talk about tgi fridays mot sticks got no mots we might actually just skip right to that and talk about only that that seems really important on the climate issues i mean that i put right at the top yeah it's high up there yeah i heard your mot stick episode. It was pretty good. You got to some really interesting places. All of that, plenty more. But before we get to any of that, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search histories that is revealing about who you are? Catherine, you want to start us off? start us off? Sure. I looked and I was like, what's sort of weird and illuminating here? Horse head bumper. Horse head bumper. Yeah, was one. So I'm a horse mom.

That's how you like to greet them? With a little head bump? A little head bump. It's like a little thing that they wear on their head if they have to travel so that if they freak out which he does and fling their head in the air they don't also split their skull open so it's like a little it's like a really dorky kind of like thick leather pope cap is kind of how it looks okay which pope cap because pope hats can get pretty wild oh yeah i'm thinking like, you know, the curvy one. The little curvy one. Yeah, that is a good point. The more modest popat. There might be some really interesting directions to take

horse bumpers in the whole popat variety. The oeuvre. I feel like I haven't seen the big good popat in a while. The one that's just not really like any other hat that has ever been worn by anyone else is just the size of a of a large basket like a clothing hamper on top of someone's

head i don't know why that's what i went with holding in all that hair but for some reason this is making me wonder how the Pope feels about White Lotus and if he's been watching this season. Huge fan, I'd imagine. Maybe if he'll appear in the finale. These are all questions that are now coming up for me. Yeah.

There's a lot of religious art in there. So, who knows? How about you, Leah? What's something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Well, one of the most recent things I searched was Mistress America trailer, which is a movie directed by Greta Gerwig. I was reading a long profile about her.

And the secret to my productivity is that I don't really watch movies. I watch movie trailers. And so on any given day, I'm searching a trailer. I mean, most movie trailers give you the entire story in like two and a half minutes and then you're done. You don't really have to watch the movie. And they're so emotional. They pack all those emotions in there. Why don't we have like best trailer awards at the Oscars?

I've asked this question many times. A brilliant observation. Desperately needed and not enough credit given to those trailer cutters right yeah exactly they're the unsung heroes of our time really thank you yeah are they the same people who do like the emotional sports video stories like for the olympics you know those little like oh my god they take you on that same emotional roller coaster in two and a half minutes before the next like hundred meter, whatever. Yeah.

Just make you weep. I'm such a baby for those. They make me cry every single time. I love an emotional Olympic story. Micro emotional roller coaster. Yes. That's like a professional skill set. I just looked at the runtime for Avatar 2, The Way of the Water.

I just looked at the runtime for Avatar 2, The Way of the Water, and it is not a number that I've ever seen as a runtime before. Does it have a three hours in the front of it? Yeah, but they didn't do it. It was like 190-something minutes. Wow, so three hours ten. Yeah, three hours ten. That's insane. That's a boy movie.

They don't want you to know. They're like, maybe you can't do the math. Yeah, this dumb-dumb can't do math. He'll just go to the movie. But I'm excited to see that, but a little less excited. I might just watch the trailer a number of times. I know, right? I mean, you're going to find out the whole plot, who dies, what the romance is.

I mean, you just need two and a half minutes. There you go. How was the Greta Gerwig trailer? It was great. I mean, I love Greta Gerwig trailer? It was great. I mean, I love Greta Gerwig. I should probably actually watch the movie. Like, that is something that I should maybe give time to. But, you know, what I did give time to was the extremely long profile about her.

So I have time to read. I just don't always have time to watch, you know, two-hour movies. I mean, God bless. You are far more enriched for it, for giving time to reading more than watching. Like, props to you on that one. Gold star. Gold star. I'm like the last person in America who still reads, it appears.

So this is not the Barbie movie that we've been covering. No, but it was about the Barbie movie. And did you see those stills? They were amazing. Oh, my God. I mean, the stills have been incredible. But Greta Gerwig has another more serious film dropping before that. Oh, my God. I mean, the stills have been incredible. But Greta Gerwig has another more serious film dropping before that.

No, no. It's actually old. I mean, why would you think I'm up to speed on culture here? It's from years ago. Mistress America is old. It's old. Yeah. Just to be clear.

I'm not watching current trailers, okay? I'm not that hip. Cutting edge, watching current trailers. Watching trailers from seven years ago. That is what I do with my time, yes. Okay, cool. Leah, what is something you think is overrated? Okay, are you ready for it? Gas stoves.

Ooh. Why did I go there? Okay. Well, you know, cooking with gas, right? Everybody thinks they're so great. Actually, they poison you and blow up your house and put carcinogens into the air and they're terrible. So every time I watch a home renovation show and they put a new gas stove in, I'm like a fairy just died. That is the worst thing I've ever seen. Gas stoves are terrible for you and the planet. What is the fairy just died? for you and the planet.

What is the fairy just died? All right. Why did the fairy die? Because fairies die when you put in gas stoves. I don't know if you knew that. That's like a new scientific paper that just came out. It's that tick, tick, tick. That's my hair.

When you're trying to get the stove going and it tick, tick, tick. That's a fairy. That's a dead fairy. The one burner that just keeps going. Exactly. Or the one burner that doesn't light and then you're smelling that smell of gas. And that's like that. That's not good for your health. You're right. I didn't know all that stuff about it being bad and that it was going to blow up my house. Yeah, dude. I

mean, I think by and large, it's asthma. Yeah. Is that real? Yeah. 42% more likely to have asthma if you grow up in a house with a gas stove. I'm currently renovating my house to get rid of my gas stove amongst all other gas appliances. And so we're in an Airbnb right now and there's a super sketchy gas stove here. And there's one of those like vents really high in the ceiling that definitely doesn't do anything. And every time I turn it on, I'm like, wow, I'm just like poisoning my children. This is awesome. Love this. Love this. Yeah. Noted. How about you, Catherine? What's something that you think is overrated? So I'll stick on the, you know, planetary nerd theme.

Recycling, I think, is overrated. Listen, like I am a recycler, hardcore for forever. But it struck me anew last weekend. I was in a like non-climate people conversation. I was like, people think that recycling is like 90 of the problem or the opportunity like i'm like every time all right listen like like let's recycle but i'm like how we're like really missing the forest for the one recycled tree here like it's the only thing that they gave us for a long time right it was the only information they gave us was like the planet's dying uh and here's something you can do that's

marginally better than the other thing and we were like all right on it thank you we know our assignment yeah well and the fossil fuel industry was like, we're going to hype this whole recycling thing as the solution to the plastic problem. And then we'll like get people not to pay attention to all the rest of what's happening. And so also there was like a lot of money that went into making recycling. Oh, yeah. the thing, even though like we recycle like five to 6% of plastic. Right. So it's not the solution to the thing. Anyway, my point is, I'm like, we got to get out of like this myopia of recycling as the barometer. How often do you hear myopia on this show?

I mean, you just like brought it. Not enough. But we have some doctors. So I figured that, that yeah we're doing some gre words today sat words gary words they're in the house the level has definitely been raised i think the the thing on recycling that i think is is so thank you for bringing that up because what was so funny about like the recycling trend of like the 90s and stuff like that was it was a three-word phrase reduce yes reuse yeah recycle

there was a whole phrase to it that really just got shortened to oh just throw your bottles in the blue bin and then you're all good it's safe like what happened to the reduce your usage first and foremost reuse take those plastic bags and those bottles maybe reuse that again maybe you use that thing another time before you just decide to toss it out and then recycle as the final stage of the development here the final stage of the process here it is it is just a shortening to like oh let's get to the part where you're still just throwing it out so i yeah yeah i feel you very wholeheartedly you know stay fully on the like wild one use consumption bandwagon. Just find the blue bin.

Who knows? Find the blue bin. Yeah. No, forget that. But I will say one thing. Recycling aluminum before you guys all get cynical. That is underrated. Aluminum is like the most recyclable material.

If you throw a Coke can in the garbage in front of me, I will stick my hand in the garbage and save it because the stakes are too high. I need to save that can. So you need to recycle aluminum cans. Very important. Do it. And if you're going to get a drink in a container, get it in aluminum because it's super valuable and it can recycle indefinitely. So you don't have to worry about it. Sparkle your water in your aluminum cans. Go for it. This makes me feel so much better about my Yerba Mate consumption because those are aluminum cans and they're all about sustainability. So, like, great. The product's good and the recyclability is sustainable. Let's go.

Drink them aluminum cans. What's the aluminum water? The aluminum can? La Croix. Liquid death? La Croix. Liquid death. Liquid death.

Oh, or that. Both. Both. Both. La Croix also. Fake French. It's not actually French at all. It's American, but it sounds French.

Yeah. Except for not if you call it La Croix, which I feel the major interpretation. Okay. Some of us speak French in this conversation. Yes. Yeah. What is something that you think is underrated, Catherine? Man, I think tempeh.

Tempeh. Great. It's underrated. And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. So I've been vegetarian for a long time, more coming up on 25 years. Thank you for your service. Tempeh is like a better experience than tofu, but it's not, you see tofu so much more often, but tempeh is like, it's better for you. The texture's better. It's easier to cook with. And I don't know, you know, we've got all these like newfangled fake meats, which like I am happy on occasion to have an impossible burger or whatever. But like tempeh, it's like actually

a really good citizen. And I had something at a restaurant with it recently and I was like, this is underrated. This should be on more menus. So that's my plug. That's my plug for the humble fermented soybean cake that is tempeh. It's like a little chewier. Is that? Yeah, it's a little like... I'm only familiar with the city in Arizona. Yeah. It's a little, oh yeah, different tempeh. Okay, got it.

But maybe we could study that and see, like is the food tempeh everywhere? And tempeh, I don't know. Probably not. How do they do it? Probably not. Traditional Indonesian food made from fermented soybeans. Okay.

I'm here for it. So I think you get those like probiotic good things. Anyway. Yeah. The ferment. That's what I got. I'm with that. How about you, Leah?

What is something you think is underrated? Well, I think I'm continuing along with this crunchy granola climate trend here, which is for those who know me or listen to anything I've ever created, they will not be surprised by this answer. Probably Catherine could guess it. The underrated thing is a heat pump. What is a heat pump, you ask? It is an efficient electric machine that can both heat and cool your home, one-stop shopping, and it doesn't require any fossil fuels. It does not require gas. And so, you know, that whole thing about poisoning yourself, you don't have to poison yourself.

You can have a heat pump and, you know, both heat and cool your home. These are amazing machines. They should be as well known as electric vehicles, but they are not. Heat pumps are definitely underrated. Cool. Wow. So I just have, like, have my kids out there just pumping away at it the whole time. What am I?

Oh, my God. Guess what? It uses electricity. There's this thing. I don't know if you've heard of it. It's called electricity. Yeah. It does stuff, charges your phone, allows you to listen to this podcast, but also can

heat and cool your home. I don't know if you did that. I did not. No. All right. The heat pump and it's not like loud like loud i'll just i'll say they sound like magic so in the summer they take the heat that's in your home and they stick it outside they're like it's too hot in here i'm getting rid of that hot in here get it out and in the winter

they manage to grab the heat that is outside and send it in to your home. There's magical little heat outside that you didn't know about. And the fairies, there are fairies inside the heat pump. See, you've killed the fairies when you buy the gas stove. And then you, you know, they come back to life. I was going to ask what the effect was on fairies. So the fairies bring, they find the heat outside and the fairies bring that into the house that's how heat pump works that's science right there we're talking on the halloween episode how uh like in google's top ranking of costumes like all of the top costumes are things that have major motion pictures that have like been made about them or are part of a major motion pictures but one of the top three year after year is fairies and like i feel like they haven't really gotten their due like a lot of the ones that are you know

little girl costumes haven't gotten their due but well i foresee a big fairy franchise in the future because i don't know if you knew this one of the groups i work with rewiring america which is all about the heat pump we actually made heat pump halloween costumes this year so you there were many people i mean not like enough to get on the top they were probably like nine many many people people across america became heat pumps for halloween i don't know if you knew that it was a whole trend i don't know why you missed it it was huge actually i could send you photos oh yeah i'm looking this is this is when climate twitter gets like really all a flutter when people dress up as heat pumps i mean it's just getting real you know it's just like the excitement through the roof yeah yeah that explains all the kids in giant squares that

were coming up to my door for what are you was like, what are you? And I just couldn't understand. They were talking through this giant square. And I'm like, it sounds like heat. You want a Heath bar? Oh, heat, heat. Yes, that was the trend. I don't know why you missed it. It was really big on TikTok. All the kids are doing it.

It's totally hot right now and cool as well. Very hot and cool. I feel, Leah, that the heat pump movie should never be made, but it does need a trailer. Yes, exactly. We need a heat pump movie should never be made but it does need a trailer yes exactly we need a heat pump movie trailer exactly with that dramatic music from yeah all right let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about climate I'm Jess Casavetto executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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that climate is a priority or that like this, you know, existential catastrophic threat that is facing us is real. And I don't know, just like as it's kind of come more and more into focus, it's like I'm thinking back on these New York Times stories I've seen where they're like, you know, the young people are having a mental health crisis and nobody knows why. I think it's social media and like don't mention climate change once so yeah just be interested in kind of hearing what your perspective is on on that and specifically as it relates to not just like climate activists but just like people who see this happening in the headlines and you know are just dealing with the dissonance of like, oh, so this is going to really,

is already harming and killing people and is going to make the world way worse. And then we just talk about the stock market, like it's, you know, the most important thing instead of a report about like how well people are making money off of causing the problem that we're supposed to be worried about right but yeah like what just uh that's a big word salad but what what what are your thoughts on just like this the mental toll that this takes i remember it was a couple months ago maybe that the new york times put out a little like mini documentary kind of video about young people and mental health crisis and suicide and i was like when are they gonna say surely they're gonna come to it next are they gonna say something nope even one of the interviewees says something to the tune of like you know there's not gonna be a planet to live on

and like they never tease that out as a major driver. Yeah, like, I was just kind of like, what? Like, what? Especially because there has been some really important research that's come out in the last couple of years, actually documenting this trend among young people. So one of the folks that we had on that episode, Dr. Britt Ray at Stanford, she was one of the authors on a study that came out in The Lancet last year. They surveyed 10,000 young people across 10 countries. And the thing that came through in that study so profoundly is the way that the burden of this crisis is already impacting the day-to-day lives of most young people and particularly young people in the global South. But not just that, it's the doubleiker of leadership and absolutely not doing their job when it comes to making sure, I don't know, we get to keep living on this extraordinary planet that grows food and like flows water and does all of these amazing things that make it incredible to live here. And yeah, COP 27, you know, who had the most delegates at that at that little shindig the global conference of the parties the the annual sort of rendezvous to talk about our collective

future the fucking fossil fuel industry had the most delegates except the united arab emirates which is basically also part of the fossil fuel industry. And it's like this whole thing is insane. And the fact that young people are feeling that and seeing it, and then they don't have anywhere to take that, right? Like there are no containers to be heard and seen. And, you know, unless they find themselves in like a great chapter of the sunrise movement or something and even then like holding the existential dread that like any logical being is feeling in this moment you know it's it's bananas and not to mention parents you know who are also grappling with like my child is learning about this in school and how do i how do i even have

a conversation with them yeah your options are basically to discredit science or acknowledge that the world is broken you know the or be like well at least we recycle right yeah yeah but it's and even that is you know inherently like at its core dishonest to be like, but we're good because we recycle like that. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, one thing about our show is that a matter of degrees is that we don't we don't we don't trade in hopelessness. We're not down for that.

So, yeah, you know, we actually also did this mini series about what can I do? And it's a three part series this season that talks about what can I do about climate change? And unsurprisingly, it talks about getting a heat pump, you know, moving your money so that it's not investing in the fossil fuel industry. Thinking about how your job can contribute to it. I mean, like right now, you guys are climate activists. I don't know if you knew that. Like your jobs. You're on the team.

You had us on your show. And now we're talking about climate change. Bada boom, bada bang. That's it right there. You know, and also political activism, right? How do we make sure we elect climate champions? And we had folks on from this nonprofit called Climate Cabinet that helps elect climate champions like all up and down the ballot. So, you know, it's not about hopelessness. It's actually about, you know, recognizing that we are in a bad place, but that there are things that we as people can do about it. And the biggest things we can do is actually join together with other people to take political action to help change laws to make a difference in our communities. But even short of that, you know, getting a heat pump, getting an induction stove, getting an electric vehicle, getting an e-bike. Right. There are a lot of things we can do. Voting for Senator Warnock. Yeah, voting, voting. Love that. That's a great one.

You know, there's lots of things we can do. So it's not about hopelessness, but it's also not about being unrealistic about the situation that we're in and, you know, being real with people about how bad this is. There's no Pollyanna, Pyanna bullshit happening either like we we're like we've got to look at the hard reality of where we are and what's headed our way even if we even if we do everything that we can as fast as we can we're still gonna have some really intense challenges coming and to realize we have this absolutely stocked toolbox of solutions that are not just like someday maybe if the effective altruists funded like no it's like stuff we have now and it's working and it makes us healthier and it saves us money and also even on the climate

and mental health stuff there are actually. Like we don't just have to curl up in the fetal position alone and despair. Like that episode is about how to cope with all the climate fields because we're going to keep feeling them. And a lot of that is also about coming together in community for conversation and feeling like we're not alone. Yeah. There's a really cool thing on task shifting that I want to talk about. But just like going back to the sort of mainstream media sort of blind spot, because I just, I don't think that that is something

that most people think that when they turn on NPR or like read the New York Times that they're getting a version of things that are like partaking in this and and I I do feel like that like that that is a big part of the problem is you know like you said you have this thing and that it feels like there's not a intuitive place to go with it and it feels like you're reading these contradictory things in, you know, what is supposed to be the mainstream media. And it just, I don't know, like an honesty and an owning it and like a naming it of like that there is this enormous trauma that we should all be

acknowledging and working through together while we're trying to do things about it individually. But I don't know. I mean, that's a big part of finding a solution that makes it so that the fossil fuel companies don't get to continue to completely define, you know, they're fighting things on that level, like by, you know, giving the New York Times a shitload of money and stuff to be one of the biggest advertisers at the New

York Times. I mean, here's the reality. Fossil fuel companies knew about climate change decades ago. They had scientists. Yeah, way before everyday people. They did. They had scientists like at Exxon, for example, ExxonMobil. They had a different name at the time, but they had scientists who were doing research and they were, you know, realizing that when you burn fossil fuels and you put carbon pollution and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, you know, more intense hurricanes and really extreme rainfall and heat waves that kill people. And, you know, the crazy flooding, for example, that's happening in Pakistan right now, the insane Hurricane Ian, probably going to be the most expensive hurricane in Florida history. You know, all these things that are happening, they're linked to climate change. And fossil fuel companies knew about that. And what did they do? They lied. They intentionally lied to the American people. It's very similar to climate change. And fossil fuel companies knew about that. And what did they do? They lied. They intentionally lied to the American people. It's very similar to cigarette companies. You

know, cigarette companies had their own scientists. They knew that cigarettes cause cancer, but they lied. And the interesting thing about the cigarette companies is that they were eventually held accountable by the U.S. justice system, right? They had to pay big fines for what they did. And that is what we need to see for fossil fuel companies, too. We need to see these companies be held accountable for the decisions that they made to lie to the American people and, you know, make it so that you didn't have other choices other than fossil fuels for decades. The good thing is we're in a moment now where there are other choices. You can get an electric vehicle. You don't have to use fossil fuels in your homes anymore. But, you know, fossil fuel companies really delayed that and they lied to the American people for decades. So they really need to be held accountable.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. with despairing young people and like like absorb that trauma that they have they've manufactured right both like physically and in in this sense of gaslighting that you're talking about jack yeah and i i think the like that there is this huge lie at the core of like just existence in the modern world yeah like that that also goes to everything that's happening like this like rise of fascism like nihilism among the rich depression among the young as we talked about like a rise of deaths of despair all these things that you know are caused by people just losing hope and faith and like belief in in that that they exist in like a just world but it's like worth fighting for and it's just like getting that back into the conversation feels like an important

part part of the of the job and it's that like it's that flip side i think to the headlines you know that you were talking about right of like we need the headlines that make it clear that we're in a fucking mess um and we're running out of time and we need the headlines or better yet the feature films and the like compelling collective stories that help us imagine a transformed world right like so much of the climate conversation kind of publicly has been like this is the world we want to avoid and it's going to take a whole bunch of misery and sacrifice to get there instead of like this is the incredible future that's possible and this is what it could mean to go on that journey to get

there. I would watch that movie. Leah would probably watch more than the trailer. Yeah. Yeah. And it's about abundance. You know, so much of what's been sold to us is that climate action is sacrifice. And no offense to the whole tempeh conversation earlier. Right. But like, you know, it's not about I was not really doing any favors there. It's not about giving up your hamburgers or sitting in the cold, dark room alone and not having a car. Right. Guess what, guys? You can have a heat pump that heats your home. You can have an electric vehicle. You can probably even eat some meat or some fake meat that's going to exist that, you know, tastes exactly the same, but didn't require as much carbon pollution, right? There is innovation happening right now that allows us to live the way that we live

and we like living without all this sacrifice. And the way that the fossil fuel industry has defined this is about sacrifice because that works for them. That way they can say, no, no, no, don't change anything. Just keep using your dirty gas stove and your dirty oil-powered car. Just do that for like another couple of decades, because every single day that we delay, you know, getting the solar panels or the heat pumps or the electric vehicle every day we delay, it makes fossil fuel companies money.

That's how they make money now. They're like delay machines. And so they don't want us to think that there are alternatives so that we can keep living our lives and actually have healthier lives, pay less money for our energy bills. You know, they don't want us to understand the abundance that's coming for us if we act on climate change. They want us to think it's all doom and gloom and, you know, you're going to have to sit alone in the dark and eat your tempeh. You know, that's what they want us to think. And Catherine's pointing out that tempeh is not so bad, actually. I'd say give it a try. Give it a try. It does feel like there's a lot of,

you guys do a great job of like highlighting like very sophisticated and smart. And like there's just a lot of energy, especially coming from this young generation towards like building a future that is sustainable. There's also a lot that is happening on the other side. Like you mentioned, the fossil fuel, like COP 27 becoming a fossil fuel trade show and, you know, the like effective altruism. I keep ranting about this, but it's fooled a lot of people, I think. getting bed nets for people in need and like stopping human suffering in the here and now to he you know started hanging out with all these like venture capital bros and like billionaires

and suddenly climate change isn't as important as people say it is and the thing that we really need to worry about is you know ai and uh, AI and, you know, where like, he just like through osmosis is like absorbing an asshole. Is that what you're saying? Becoming an asshole. But like, it's,

it is very sophisticated. It is like, I don't know. I think of like capitalism almost as its own AI that has like gone through the singularity like decades ago. And it's just like so sophisticated and is like fighting like that that's what we're fighting against and they keep coming up with these like ideas and arguments and ways to fund a form of civilization that is clearly unsustainable like that yeah that i feel like is the thing that, you know, they talk about in hyper normalization. Adam Curtis talks about this feeling that we're like just living next to this massive like organism that can't be understood or slowed down or like affected.

So it's like, you know, it's fighting that. And I think like the thing that gives me the most hope is that it does seem like the younger generations are more aware and ideas and quote unquote philosophies to like bring them into this bullshit you know framework but yeah it's currently coasting on inertia there's a really direct threat here too so you know this whole sam bankman freed, you know, crypto crash that's going on very tied to effective altruism, right? Because he justified his actions by saying, look, if I can make a lot of money, I can give it away. I can give it away to Democrats running for office. I can give it away to poor people or whatever. And that makes me a good person, even though the fundamental thing I'm doing is actually really bad. Why do I say that? Crypto, we did an episode recently on the podcast, on our podcast Matter of Degrees about cryptocurrency,

and we dug into the climate impacts. And I got to say, like, whoa, that was super illuminating and dark. I don't know how much people know about crypto, but basically, especially with Bitcoin, it's a giant number guessing machine that requires enormous amounts of energy. And, you know, just that cryptocurrency alone, the negative environmental impacts from using so much dirty energy to just guess numbers, it's actually bigger than the positive effect right now of all electric vehicles deployed in a year. So every time you see an electric vehicle on the road, just think about the invisible crypto number guessing garbage that's going on in the background that is negating that positive momentum that we're making. And, you know,

I think a lot of people sort of stuck their head in the sand around crypto and the fundamental fact that it uses so much energy and is very bad for the planet. I mean, literally keeping coal plants open to guess numbers. You know, and they stuck their head in the sand because they said, well, it's effective altruism. We're doing, we're making money and then we're going to give that money away. And isn't that better? Because as long as we make money and give it to people, then like, actually, we're amazing people.

We're better than those crunchy granola kids trying to shut down coal plants because actually we made money and we can give that away. And it becomes a very circular argument that doesn't cause people to look at the fundamental problem here, which is that you're using enormous amounts of dirty energy to do something that actually isn't that useful. Yeah. And correct me if I'm wrong on crypto, especially with the whole number guessing thing, you get diminishing returns over time because the numbers get harder to guess as the value of it fluctuates and whatnot. And so you're spending more and more energy to guess a smaller and smaller amount of like numbers to like mint coins or something. So eventually, the cost of the energy, both actual like, you know, monetary cost, but cost the environment then outweighs the actual value of the coin that's being minted. Yeah, I mean, that's because it gets more competitive too, right? Like, if more people want to guess the number, they've got to get more powerful computers to do it so that they can generate more guesses faster, right? And it becomes a kind of

arms race where it's like you need a really fast computer to guess faster and the probability that you're going to win and get the number it's going to get smaller if there's more competition and more machines actually guessing it so yeah basically the environmental impact can get bigger as there's more and more people guessing it on more and more powerful machines so that they get a chance to actually win that coin right so i mean in, in this episode that we did, we learned that China has actually banned cryptocurrency mining. So a lot of the miners moved to the United States in the last few years, and that there are literally coal plants in places like Montana that are staying open just to provide 24-7 electricity to people guessing numbers. Like, what? That is insane. You know, like if you

kept the coal plant open because you were, you know, allowing poor people to heat their homes or, you know, something that was like somewhat useful. OK, maybe. I mean, you should really shut down the coal plant. But like this is literally just to guess numbers like what this like it's it's bananas. Just the idea of hoarding an illogical amount of money like a immoral amount of money they even say by the way petrochemical careers are fine if you're creating wealth and giving it to a charity but first of all you're creating a person who works in petrochemicals like which like the the human mind and a human life is so valuable and capable of creating so much momentum and meaning in this world. This is the thing.

And you are just throwing that away to create wealth cynically. To give it to you, who then you are saying that you are better able to distribute that wealth than anyone else in the world. able to distribute that wealth than anyone else in the world that like all these thrown away lives of working in finance and petrochemicals are worth it so that you can have all of the money to distribute to all these different places because you're so much smarter than everyone but you don't think climate change is a problem but it also like it misses such a fundamental point which is there is real good well-paid profit generating work to be done solving the climate crisis so this idea of like whatever whatever you do for 8 or 10 or 12 or fucking 16 hours a day if you're on Wall Street, like there's no way to make that part of the solution, which is just insane.

Like we should be trying to align the ways that we spend our time and our energy and then also the ways that we align our money. Right. But it's like it's like overlooking an entire landscape. I mean, I'm on some of you know, I mostly get them because I because I'm interested, not because I'm like looking for a job in climate tech, but like I get these emails where I'm like, holy shit, there is so much hiring happening in these really well-paid roles, like, you know, all this stuff. So it's like, what, what? And I mean, I'm an alum of Oxford. I don't want to like, you know, shit on my brethren. But like when it's deserved, it's deserved.

And this is quintessential what Emily Atkin, our friend who does the climate newsletter Heated, calls first time climate dude. It's like, oh, it's a dude who thought about climate change for the first time. And he now thinks he's an expert. And he's probably going to publish like a piece in the new yorker about how we're everything screwed or you know whatever or something like this yeah and you know beware if you're a first-time climate dude like do a bunch of listening yeah first primarily to women and then maybe jump jump into the game and compare doing what effective altruism preaches, where you throw away your life

working for an evil cause for like a chemical, a petrochemical company, so that you can then give your money to this one fund that is then, you know, already has too much more money than it knows what to do with, with task shifting, like task shifting that you guys talked about in your episode on like climate and mental health was like that that's such a great example of like a way to contribute to the world that is like exponential growth like the idea that you teach other people to like help other people with mental health so that they then can like build a movement of like mental health and people like being able to like cope with the immense amount of grief around climate change and like that that is like totally crippling like that

that just like that that idea of yeah yeah i don't. I mean, if you think about I think I saw a number recently that like roughly a billion people on the planet are already struggling with some kind of mental health thing. Right. The mental health infrastructure that we have is already like totally not meeting the existing need. And we're just like cooking it up more right as as climate impacts intensify and awareness of this issue intensifies so like there are not enough therapists on the planet to possibly use that model to to meet the need right and so this idea that actually brett ray talks about in that episode about like peer support counselors and basically equipping normal people with these skills that, you know, there's real need for mental health professionals in certain situations. But for a lot of what we're talking about, people kind of need like well-held, you know, containers, like the kind of thing that alcoholics anonymous right manages to do it's like yeah those are that's peer-to-peer support and it gets a lot of people a lot of the the way that

they need to go and i think it's really exciting to think about yeah how how more of us could help right and um yeah and you know katherine edited this book called all we can save which i'm also in and it's a collection of women writers and the cool thing that she did with that book is that she created a whole program called Circles, which is that you can like basically read this book with a community of people around you. And that is doing what we're talking about here, right? have to go get a climate-informed therapist specifically to talk about the problem and the solutions. You could, for example, pick up a copy of All We Can Save and ask a few friends from work or a few friends from your community to sit down and read the book with you over the course of a few weeks and have conversations. You know, that's the kind of scalable model that would allow a lot more people to find a pathway into climate work. And that doesn't have to be like professional work. It can also just be in their day-to-day lives.

Totally. Yeah. Like building a human, like a connection based movement where you're like connecting with other people and communicating with other people, as opposed to giving your life to a oil company. I'm loving how much you are hating on effective altruism. It is amazing.

I mean, it's because like I've talked about it before. People have been like, yeah, but they do some good. And it's just like there's something really like at the very philosophical core. And like that was what I studied in school. And like there's just something from the outset at the core that I was like, this is, there's like some eugenics buried in there in its worldview. Because they're like. And so mechanical. Yeah.

It's like, it's really weirdly robotic. Yeah. At its heart. Yeah. So I don't know. so i don't know i just i just think i also think it's very dangerous because the the apparatus that we're talking about that is like you know the establishment currently and that has the new york times and like has has a lot of powerful like tools at its disposal and a lot of inertia like they are not going to go into the future as like allowing themselves to be defined as the bad guy

so they're going to come up with something that allows them to be like no we're the good guys this is like actually really smart and uh yeah like it was cool that we totally burned down the planet because like we made money in the process actually it's funny there's this uh professor who i've criticized who won the nobel Prize in economics for his work on climate. Yeah, Leah, Leah, Leah, like swings really big when she when she takes takes on a people don't like it. But anyway, he you know, his models, which he won the Nobel Prize for, which I was like, seriously, he he claims that like, you know, yeah, climate change will collapse earth systems whatever but like the thing is agriculture is like four percent of global gdp gdp so even if all agriculture collapses it's like nbd because it's only four percent and we're gonna have like so much more growth in other

sectors so like whatever but then you're like dude but there'll be no food yeah how's that gonna go you know like you're like crazy how important that four percent is i know right almost like we're maybe undervaluing it with just reducing it to like a gdp number i don't know maybe yeah maybe gdp isn't maybe the standard to be measuring these things by in terms of importance right and it's like this stuff gets so disembodied it's like yeah like these philosophies like in the ether whatever but like we live on a we live on a planet and the planet is real and like it's if there's material stuff that is possible or not possible here and if we're not acting acting you know within the bounds of the physical reality of this again like very amazing

earth as another one of our lovely climate friends kate marvel says this is the only good planet so like we'd better get serious yeah it's not like mars is a good planet to live here mars is not a good planet no bad planet the way they address that is by shifting the timeline so they're like 400 years in the future we'll be able to travel to other planets and we will have done that with all of our amazing like petrochemical extraction and stuff like we will we did that like gold star for us yeah yeah it's the cave and dr strange love it's a bunch of like rich guys in a room deciding they'll just have to be the ones who carry the species forward by you know having sex a bunch in a cave somewhere. And yeah, it's dark.

I got to watch that film for a class in high school. And I'm still like, what a great, what a great, like we had a class movie night to watch and discuss Dr. Strangelove. I'm like, I would like to go back to school some days. No grades, no homework. Just like, you know, the experiences. Just vibes. Yeah yeah just the vibes all right well enough of the light stuff we do have to get to the mod sticks so let's take a quick let's take a quick break and we'll be right back i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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But when I think the rare the question on everyone's mind is. Yeah. TGI Friday's Mott Sticks got no Mott's? Really, really disappointing stuff coming out of this X brand food company that I'm now a virulent hater of, InVenture Foods Incorporated. Oh, but they sound so wholesome. They sound so wholesome. InVenture Foods. InVenture adventure foods adventure all right well long story short uh a federal judge in chicago allowed a class action lawsuit to move forward when it was discovered that the advertised tgi friday's mozzarella snack sticks actually do not contain mozzarella but only cheddar cheese what okay i know wait so are these the

frozen sticks? Yes, these are the frozen ones. So the big note that we have on this is if you, like me, love to just get your Fridays started by snacking on some apps at your local TGI Fridays, fret not. The story is not about the actual restaurants. You're good. You can still get your

pints, your whatever cocktail they got going on Fridays, and enjoy some apps. We're all down for that. However, when it comes to the frozen snacks, of which I am also a fan, we're being lied to. We're being lied to. And I think that this story, while absolutely not important at all, also comes at a time when we are seeing the repercussions of people taking what is advertised at face value. And I think that it is important that we crush this narrative

that the very cool company Inventure Food Inc. claims is, what would they say? It's not reasonable that a customer would think a shelf-stable, crunchy snack product actually contained mozzarella, which is

such horseshit to me. You can't be advertising something and be like, okay, well, surely you didn't actually think it was going to have this. Just say it doesn't have it. This is like the Pepsi Points thing all over again. Yes, it is. Did you watch that? I loved it.'m not gonna lie what's the first pepsi points thing oh jack leah would you like what have you been doing there's a netflix show it's called like dude

where's my jet and it's about this kid who in the 90s collected all these pepsi points so that well actually he bought them because you could buy them based on the fine print so that he could get a jet which was advertised a really expensive fighter jet and it ended up going through the court system and there was this really pro-corporate judge which we could end up with here i mean i mean the judge might just be like yeah mozzarella cheddar what's the difference nbd you know right so but anyway it's a supreme court we have so yeah it's quite a good netflix show i would recommend it if you're into like 90s nostalgia and like i couldn't really call it crime i guess it's like advertising false advertising yeah it's it's quite funny and it's what i think it's what we're going through here with the idea that the

no reasonable person would think it's that the you have to be at this point we are all so familiar with the idea of fine print it's like everything is in the fine print so any little like you know any leeway that we're allowed to have, we're looking for that. And so when you advertise a hairier jet for 7 million Pepsi points, I'm figuring out how to get those 7 million Pepsi points and getting a hairier jet.

And in this scenario, if you're saying they're mod sticks, I'm expecting to take those things out of the microwave, crack them open and have that ooey gooey mess of mozzarella cheese spill out onto my plate. And when you're telling me it's cheddar, I'm taking you to court.

For shame. First of all, I'm glad that kid didn't get a hair root jet personally. Like how was he planning to fuel that? That is a big part of the first episode. Yes, but it moves on from there. Also,

I'm just surprised as a food lover such as yourself that you were a fan of these and didn't... Have they taken all the flavor out of the cheddar to disguise it as mozzarella? Those are two cheeses that seem like they would be easily discernible from one another. You know, that's funny that you mention that because while cheddar itself has...

The myopia on display here now is- Bing! Bam, we're back. You know, what's fun about cheddar cheese versus, and you find this with like, you know how Subway had the

all of our meats are just turkey and blah, blah, blah. It's like, you can kind of just inject flavor into these very base substances to make them whatever you want. And cheddar is definitely one of those kinds of cheeses

that has such a range of flavors. You have your very soft, mild cheddars to your super sharp Vermonts or whatever, where it's like cheddar can be anything, baby. But it's like in this particular scenario, if you're advertising Mott's, what are you doing? What are you doing? But at least it was an American.

Fair. Like to find the silver lining i don't know but that's a different story entirely that goes to the burger thing which i'm slowly transitioning out of but alas hi guys i think this might be as big of a story as like the fossil fuel companies lying to us for like decades about climate change i mean i mean this is like this should be on the cover same umbrella it's all of a piece, right? It's like this sense of like, we're a corporation and we can say whatever and we can puppeteer people in ways that are minor, like the cheddar slide, and also really major. Like, I don't know, we'll bake the planet.

End of the world. Yeah. Yeah. Like a mozzarella stick. And guess what you're not going to get to do on a, you know a you know baked planet you're not gonna get to have those nice mozzarella sticks you're not gonna get to have them at all nobody wants a future without mozzarella sticks thank you that's how i feel is cheddar the like shit cheese yeah i also didn't realize that that people that you could be like oh my god they're trying to serve me cheddar like how dare you i thought cheddar was like it's a definitely a more flavorful like sharp

cheddar is very flavorful but it's not yeah i like that thing that i'm it's always interesting like so it there's that book salt sugar fat by michael moss that is about like the how the food industry operates and they have this section that i always bring up because it's so mind-blowing that like a lot of the like cheesiness of food in the 80s and 90s was driven by an excess of milk fat yes that they had stored in a cave somewhere yes because of skim milk's popularity in the late 70s and early 80s. Milk subsidies. They had all these fat excesses.

And so they were like, all right. So they made deals with fast food companies and they could get cheese really cheaply. So I'm just picturing a cheddar cheese exit, like a bumper cheddar cheese. And they're just backing a truck up to these places just being like, take this cheddar off our hands, please. Same thing with corn subsidies and high fructose corn syrup. It's the same reason. It's just that we

have such an excess of it because of how we subsidize it that we just put it in literally everything. Yeah. But they can do it. They can get away with it. They can't be sued because the Supreme Court is protecting corporations long story short paid for in detroit by the fossil fuel industry bam long story short power to the people don't be lied to by these large conglomerates and don't let inventor foods tell you that you can't have moth sticks out of the

microwave thank you very much and don't and don't let whoever did the branding for InVenture Foods get near your startup. Just be honest. If YooHoo doesn't have any milk in it, call it a chocolate drink and I'm fine with that. And that's what they have done. They made that decision and I'm fine with that. I'm still sipping on that YooHoo. Fine by me.

Yeah. Well, Catherine, Leah, such a pleasure having you both on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? Well, you can find the pod at degreespod.com. Or just anywhere. Anywhere. Anywhere you get podcasts. Wherever you're listening to this podcast, we are also there. You can find me on social media at Dr. Kay Wilkinson. And I'm on Twitter, however long that platform lasts,

at Leah with an H, Stokes. And yeah, we're out there trying to save the planet. And we are always, always wanting more people to jump in on the Climate Bandwagon. It is a cool bandwagon and it is open for all. Especially with that heat pump up. It's pretty cool. I know.

There's fairies. We have fairy dance parties. Just like, yeah, it's very cool. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media that you've been enjoying? Leah, let's start with you. Well, I think I misunderstood the assignment because I don't know if you remembered that I read books. Oh, yeah.

Please. My media is a book. Oh, my friend. Do it. You do it. And actually, I think you might quite like this book, Jack, given what you've been saying. It's called Ducks, Two Years in the Oil Sands, and it's a graphic novel written by Kate Beaton, who did that whole Hark of Vagrant stuff, if you remember. Anyway, she's like a cool comic.

did that whole hark of vagrant stuff if you remember anyway she's like a cool comic anyway it's a book about like the horrors that is capitalism and the fossil fuel industries and uh it's beautiful it's it's about the tar sands in canada and i just loved it so um that's what i'm that's what i'm really into right now ducks two years in the oil sands but sorry it's not online do you see chaos yeah d like ducks like like i just didn't know how to spell like quack quack so thank you like quack quack yeah there you go i don't know if you know words they're they they come in books and stuff that's like a thing yeah yeah yeah no the quack quack was actually very helpful thank you okay catherine how about you oh i mean when i saw dave wasserman's tweet last night've seen enough. Like that tweet gave me more life than anything on social media recently. I've also on the book thread. Finn, did you know about the Libby app?

Yes, of course. I have four library cards, ladies. to your public library and you can just go wild on audiobooks because unlike Leah I do not have time or enough time to read and so I've been listening to Octavia Butler Parable of the Sower and now Parable of the Talents and man I mean there's a guy who runs for president yeah on the theme of make America great again like this woman was so tapping into the future. I just read the first one a couple months ago, actually. Oh, nice. I was scared. I was like a little scared. The second one is kind of upsetting, though, to be honest.

I got to be honest. I got about three quarters of the way through Parable of the Talents and I was like, this is so depressing. But I mean, it's great. She's a genius. She's a prophet. She saw the future. But like, man, it gets dark. Yeah, we get it. You're's a genius she's a prophet she saw the future but like yeah we get it you're a genius you're a prophet it just gets a little depressing you know what i mean like damn

daniel how about you oh go ahead i know i was gonna jump the gun and just say thank you but now i want to hear from daniel what about you do you read books are you still on the interweb how about you dumb dumb both but lord knows we're about to bring the the quality of the content way down here with a couple stupid ass tweets because i live for an absolutely inconsequential observation about nothing so this one comes from elita battle angel oh wait first of, you can find me on the internet at DJ underscore Daniel on all things. I'm live on Twitch Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays. If you want to see bad Rocket League and me eating food in a gross manner. That's not really true. I don't do that all the time, just sometimes, but it's fun to do. Anyway, this is a

tweet from Alita Battle Angel Stan account at punished picnic. Here's the problem with fruit. It's inconsistent. some apples are delicious some taste bad sometimes blueberries are great sometimes they are disgusting you know what's the same every time doritos it's a good point that's that capitalist consistency we look for these days that is where like we could have all of this shit fixed by now, but instead, all of our brightest minds went into the labs at Doritos and created the perfect nacho cheese flavored Dorito that you can't stop eating.

That is where our greatest minds and scientific innovations have gone for the past century. I got one more slightly more contemporary one from Josh Gondelman, at Josh Gondelman. This new AI picture thing is ridiculous. If you want a portrait of yourself, you should get it the old-fashioned way by falling in love

with a charming stranger on an intercontinental sea voyage and then paying him to draw you like one of his French girls. Thank you. That's the way it's done. Amen to that. Old school. Indeed. Jack, what about you? Gosh, a lot of really smart stuff. I think I'm going to go with this tweet from

Drill. In real life, Yoda would get eaten by a dog. Aww, that's so harsh on Yoda, dude. It's just harsh facts. You know, we're all about living in that reality. Oh my god. That does feel kind of parable of the telus

yeah dude you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes.

Footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as we link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. And with Miles out, we like to always ask super producer, Justin Smith, if there's a song that he would like to recommend. I do.

I'm going to visit my beloved home city of chicago tomorrow so i'll be out for the next couple days so i want to shine some light on a chicago artist this is an artist named nox fortune oh comes from oak park shout out oak park this is a song called little thing it's such a nostalgic vibe for me if you are a child of the 90s this will really have you feeling a certain way it's got a lo-fi diy kind of style to it and there's just like bright pads and talking about a summer love and it really will send you back to that time of you know just being in the young kid in the city so this is little thing by not fortune you can find that in the footnotes awesome all right well we will link off to that in the footnotes. Awesome. Footnotes.

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