The Daily Zeitgeist - Assimilation Nation, Goldman Sachs Is TOO WOKE 11.04.22

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

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Hello, Internet, and welcome to Season 261, Episode 5 of the Daily Zeitgeist. It's a production of iHeartRadio. by Diet Coke. then you know it's national candy day which seems like a missed opportunity because it might be like halloween anyway and national jersey friday i don't know what that means i hope i have something oh it means if you hey look if you'd like to rock a jersey like i do look i got many jerseys back here you know that already i guess rock a sports jersey i'm miles gray aka excuse me i have to i have to warm myself up for this aka. I can't just hop into it. Here we go. Got a lot of ganja. Got a lot of sensi on me. I gotta roll this one up. I gotta roll this one up.

I gotta burn one down. Faded. Okay, shout out to Melazond on the Discord who had us with that Beyonce heated thematic uh thematic aka yes you're right i i did feel that i gotta burn one down faded it's a new remix and i am thrilled to be joined by my guest co-host today uh you know this is somebody who's always on the scene because they help make this show it's none other than super producer Becca Ramos. Ramos! Hello. That was beautiful Miles. I, you know, every time

I'm on, it's very last minute so I don't have AKs prepared, but I will say I very recently went through every song of Beyonce's Renaissance through the lyrics with my girls. We probably like maybe every other week just have a listening party of Renaissance specifically.

So this time, though, we got the official record. You know, she bought the, yeah, the merch. And we went through, it has a beautiful art board. You know, lots of, you know, every lyric page has, like, art that we've never seen before that's exclusive to the the record but learned a lot of things that i didn't realize were being said oh really what was the most surprised what was like the one lyric that you were like oh i feel like just in general the

songs were a lot dirtier than i realized you know you just kind of hear them i mean i've like consciously and unconsciously listened to this album a million times and just like vibes. But when you're really listening to lyrics, you're like, OK, Beyonce, she's getting down. Yeah, getting dirty. Well, thank you so much for joining me today. And without further ado, I mean, we have to introduce our guest today. You might know her from, I don't know, CNBC when she was a national television host amongst other places. Maybe you read some of her advice from the advice columns that she's

done. Maybe you read some of her book. Maybe you know her as the media entrepreneur that all of us try to aspire to be. Or maybe you heard about her fantastic new memoir that just dropped called why didn't you tell me please welcome carmen rita long listen i'm so excited to be here with you guys miles and becca i let's go let's let's do this let's do good to have you good to have you carmen thank you for having me thank you absolutely absolutely where are you coming to us from uh nyc manhattan okay yeah how's it how's the weather in new york right now oh you know it's beautiful usually it's weirdly it's weirdly warmish it's weirdly warmish and i don't like it because i want to wear my coats it is truly kind of like you're like oh global warmer is coming because it's not supposed to be this warm in november no it's not and i'm really

getting frustrated because i'm like i need my coats i want to wear my coat like that's the whole thing about living in a place that has all the you know the seasons yeah you gotta you have wardrobes for every season and i'm like oh i say this yeah i say this a lot being in la we have none so when when it's when there's a coat opportunity i'm fucking right you mean you mean you mean when it's 65 degrees yes you know you break out the la that's la oh i know la oh i know 65 what are you talking i'm not trying to get frostbite freezing when it goes below 70 when it's below 70 the bubble goose comes out north face on tim's on okay Okay. I know. The Tims. Yeah, the Tims. For real.

The Tims. They're like, what is wrong with this dude? But you also look at like the weather too. And like DC, it's like in the mid 70s. Like last night I was telling them, they're like, yeah, it's like 72 right now. No, this is not right. This is not right. It's November.

This is wrong. Hey. Yeah. I guess that's what happens. But yeah. Let's not think about it too much because. I know. The more i look at my la is like you know raining and my power went out it was like raining so hard where i was like what the

fuck is going yeah yesterday and i was always thinking i'm like what if man global warming just turned like la into the new like london and it was just all like gray it'd be portland yeah and fuck it i wear a jacket. I don't give a shit. You know? It is what it is. I need the sun, man. Yes. Thank you so much for joining us.

Fantastic to have you. Been going through your book. It's amazing. Thank you. We will talk about it, but I think it's just such a great depiction of the American experience and just navigating that as well as like mother daughter relationships and things like that. So it's got fucking something for everybody. And like I was telling you before, it's a page turner. I thought I was like, like watching an episode of lost or something. I'm like, what the fuck?

Oh my God. That's the biggest compliment. I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me keep you up at night with that. Yeah, right. Like, who is her father? And what is happening? What is going to happen? Keep reading. Yes, absolutely. But before we get into all that, I want to tell everybody what we're going to talk about today. First, we're just going to go after the GOP's, I guess, new priority after they take power. When they take power, they say they're going after woke capitalism and woke companies. We'll try and determine what that means, because it's a little bit all over the place. And just generally, you know, a lot of how, you know, a lot of the anger and hyper-partisanship we're experiencing has been a long-running theme in the country. But, you know, just looking at,

especially after Obama was elected, it like really kicked off a new wave of like anxiety in white Americans and the status quo that we seem to still be having to reckon with. And then we're going to talk about how a teenager made a fucked up doodle for a new I voted sticker. And it's maybe going to save democracy. Take that with a grain of salt. But I will say it's kind of cool. It's kind of cool. We'll get into that. I feel like you missed the pun, Miles, to say it's maybe going to stick. Oh, that's good.

OK, you know what? OK, Justin. OK, edit that out and then let me take that again. For sure. Thank you. Thank you for catching me. Sometimes I am lacking, but please do that in chat. And do not embarrass me in front of the guests.

Oh, please. I didn't think about it either. Don't worry about it. No, no, no. We're playing. We're playing. We're playing. But Carmen, first, before we get into any of that, we have to ask you, our esteemed guest,

what is something from your search history that is a little revealing about who you are, what you're into right now? Okay. What I'm into is, you know, it's Native American History Month, right? And just coincidentally, I listened this morning to an interview with Ramona Emerson. So I Googled her and she has a book called Shutter, as in like a camera shutter. And she's a member of the Navajo Nation, Denae, and she's a forensic photographer.

So, you know, crime scenes and all that stuff. So it started as a memoir and she turned it into a ghost thriller. So that was great. But I'll tell you what I did right before, literally in the seconds before I got on with you guys. I had the very unfortunate experience of having to fact check

something that I saw on Twitter that broke my heart and got me angry. It has to do with Rihanna. Oh, yeah. She's having. I can't even say it. I said, no. Is it true or not? Because I did not.

I Google. Yes, I did. And, you know, I went and I had to Google right away because let me tell you something. Riri, you know, my friends, she's my wife. That's my wife right there. And no longer. We are now officially divorced. No, no, no, no, no, no.

I want my girl back who said I'm not doing the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl. I know. We should have known the second she was going to do the Super Bowl that it was just downhill from there. I did. I saw that.

I was disappointed with that. I was disappointed with that. It's Roc Nation. It's Roc Nation. You know what I mean? If she wasn't with Roc Nation and Jay-Z's, like, proximity. But I feel like

if you're with Jay and he's so close to the NFL, like, he could probably frame it to you. Be like, no, you know, they're doing stuff that's different. Blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, they let Cap rot for years. Yeah. And yeah, it does feel.

That was what I just, like, right before we got on because I just could not believe it. For those who aren't aware. I'm so disappointed. Yeah, it's like reported that Rihanna is going to have Johnny Depp, like, at the Fenty fashion show, right? Oh, God. Like, as part of the show. Such a confusing choice. Like, for what?

I have no idea. Like, I, you know, it's like the rehabilitation tour. But, you know, of all the people, Rihanna? That's what I'm saying. Look at her history with DV, right? Yeah.

Exactly. Why? Like, so, you know, I didn't even want to talk about it, frankly, models and back-up. No, no, I get it. You know what it was?

I saw it and I was like, no. Well, no, what it is is the fans, the people, or the mob, or whatever, is just horrifying to me.

Right. And because, you know, why turn that on yourself? Right? Yeah. But it's my RiRi. I'm really sad she's gone

hey i'm holding out for it to be a game of thrones type like twisted revenge thing she's doing she's like yeah come to my fashion show like a carry moment no no no no see my thing is like don't even you know what the best the best revenge is you're gone you're gone that's the best revenge like you're gone don't even think about you yeah sorry oh i'm disappointed i don't i don't know i'm dominican mom disappointed dominican mom disappointed that just gave me that's a bad one what is something uh that you think is over? Let's get serious for a second. Forgiveness. It's overrated.

It's overrated. Now, of course, we're talking about that. Let me talk about it for a second, okay? Here's what I'm saying. People are pressured. We're pressured. We feel pressure to forgive, right? Sure.

Give. It's got the word given it. It's not going to happen unless you apologize for real. Not I'm sorry, but. Not I'm sorry if. Not I'm sorry but not i'm sorry if not i'm but really acknowledge it and change your behavior if it doesn't happen then it's not going to happen and that's fine you can find peace without forgiveness you can absolutely but i do think it's really overrated right because that's someone someone that is committed to transgression is seeking forgiveness exactly right and this is

the person this is the person that's like done the damage to you and now you have to do something for them well in that case and of course i'm being you know as i'm being interviewed about the book a lot this comes up a lot and you're like oh my god when i say no oh don't you forgive your mom and i'm like no and everyone oh you know it's like a horror give me a break give me a break people people might not understand like just sort of know broadly what your book is about in that like you know your mother passed away around 18 19 years ago right yes yes and and from then you've had this sort of ongoing sort of family mystery family history mystery that you've been trying to deal with. And throughout this whole process, you've realized there, there've just been like, as your book says,

why didn't you tell me? Yeah. Yeah, very much so. Now, listen, my thing was I was looking to understand her as a person. And, but when you grow up, you know, you're the first person people you're supposed to trust are your parents. Right. and you're supposed to be able to trust that at least some of the big truths in your life you know like where you came from how about that but then also to compound it as she was dying and i found out that you know my father wasn't my father she told me another story about another guy and then i find out later that that's not true either. It like hot mess, mama, hot mess. So for me, it was like, how do I understand and find peace?

Sure. But people really are just like, they throw around this word forgive. And I'm like, forgiveness is earned, man. It's earned. You have to earn it from me and from anybody. And I think that if you really got to have that self-respect because someone hurts you, why are you giving them more? Unless they've changed their behavior and they absolutely apologize, acknowledging your pain, right? You accidentally bump into somebody in the elevator or walking, you stop and it's hard,

and you stop and you go, oh my God, are you okay? I'm so sorry. Are you okay? Right? But you're sorry. And you say, are you okay? Like you make sure the person's okay. What can you do to make them feel better? Let's go sit down.

Let's check it out, blah, blah, blah. Someone cannot do that to you. Then forgiveness is not theirs, but you can still find peace because guess what? They're just people. And just like my, you know, my mother and my father's and their decisions and choices they made. It's so helpful to just see them as like random,

like people who had babies. Because you really think about people that way, even if it's like an ex or like someone you had a relationship, someone really hurt you, a friend or something. If you just think of them as like people who do things, it helps you really to kind of detach it from you and not take it so personally and be like,

no, they did it because of their shit. Yeah, they're people who are traumatized and you cannot let that affect you. You know, you have to move on and go. I mean, look, it hurts, but it helps to understand and have empathy for them, especially, you know, for a lot of us, our parents, you know, if you're immigrant parents or other kind of they come through, you know, trauma. Yeah. Really bad stuff.

And so you once you see that, I mean, you know, you just want to stop that cycle and you can't do that unless you let go of the anger. And you can't do that unless you let go of the anger. Yeah. And so many parents who have been through really terrible shit, like in their pursuit of trying to break certain cycles for their kids, you know, so much shit gets fucked up there, too. Achievement. Right? Yeah. Achievement.

Yeah. So that's the thing is that they try to stop one thing from the generation to generation. They try to stop poverty or whatever. And then they focus on achievement. But then they torture you achievement, but then they torture you in other ways and create another mess. So, you know, generation to generation, we're just trying to clean it up. But part of what helps cleaning it up is figuring out why they did what they did. Yeah. I think, yeah, I think what's overrated is the concept of what forgiveness means for another person. But i think what the most important most

potent form of forgiveness i think is the kind you direct towards yourself yeah because i think a lot of people don't understand that that we a lot of us look at our own behavior and say why the fuck how'd you how could you be so stupid oh yes again yes yes damn why do you keep letting this shit happen or i can't believe believe you fucking said whatever, but whatever that is, you have to realize all that anger, whatever that, that chaos is actually you not extending a sense of forgiveness to yourself and how potent that version is of put your hand on your own heart and say, yo, you're a human, you know, you're making mistakes, but you like work through that. And I think that's, I think that's a, that's a dimension of forgiveness. I've slept on personally is like the idea of so many times I get angsty or

anxious about things that like, I'm like, Oh man, that was stupid. Like I could have done, I wish I'm better at something. You got to say, Hey man,

good. Like Joe chill. Yeah. Forgive me. I know. As my therapist says, be kind to yourself. Yeah,

absolutely. Be kind to yourself. Yes. Give that same type of talk that you'd give the homie when they come to you with their problems to yourself because it's clear that you're able to treat ourselves nice man yeah exactly you know what's something that you think is underrated carmen you know i thought about this question miles look at me i'm a brown woman. I'm a brown woman. Okay. What's underrated? Me.

Me. Okay. My whole life. Me. My whole freaking life. And I'll say all other black and brown women. Underrated. Underappreciated.

Underthought of under everything. Because I tell you, even just yesterday, I was in the Apple store. And this young man, I go up to him and I'm like, oh, I new phone blah blah blah black screen of death blah blah blah and this man he just treated me so dismissive so dismissive until he's like well why don't you just look up your receipts from the store to see when's the last time you bought a book and i scroll in and i'm scrolling receipts and this brother goes oh i didn't realize that like you bought so much here like you know just stupid shit because of course i don't i'm not the color and the type and this and that the other thing all happens constantly it's that thing of where becca you know you walk

out the door in your skin in your race and in your gender and how you appear and that hits you in the face absolutely in many many spaces and so i think we still do underrate our women of color and black and brown women for real happens on the daily and there's also of course there's an urge to squash it because as you know becca we are so good we are so good right now the biggest transaction i've been seeing that's been irking me so crazy is that like the internet's trying to make hayley bieber an it girl i've been annoyed since day one she's literally just a nepotism baby with no talent and bieber sands come for me but she has been doing this like brown lip gloss I was just gonna say you mean the troller face she's doing and it's like the clean look yeah literally all of us have

been wearing real gold and I you know I'm sure the it girlies on the internet a lot of it's not it's like these are gold that's passed down all my girls passed down and the makeup that they we wear the clean look is because we couldn't afford a lot of makeup or makeup didn't come in our colors that we couldn't get foundation exactly we're buying brown lip or eat eyeliner to use as lip liner to make a lip gloss because they don't have anything in our shades so i'm just like oh whatever this brown like new look for fall i'm like no this is something my mom has worn iconically for years. Yes. Yes. And that's the thing is that we get these.

We're simultaneously underrated and stolen from. Yes. Because we produce the good shit. Right. So it's like it's that. No, we want what you got. But but, you know, you stay over here. We also think you're crap.

But don't come into a doctor's office saying that you got pain. Oh, my God. Let me tell you, I've had to search for doctors. Like the dismissiveness that they give you when you walk in the office when you're a brown woman. It's just, it actually causes death. Yeah. Right? No.

It kills women. So that we are underrated. Look, I gave you something like so serious. Meanwhile, Becca, like, you know what's underrated? What's underrated? The brown you something like so serious meanwhile becca like you know what's underrated what's underrated the brown lip i got a brown i've got a little bit of it going on myself yes a little bit a little bit yeah yeah let's make it peppy miles let's get look give me another question i can give you something i just i just went through this with a family member you know like just terrible medical care and it really made me think i'm like is there

like a top 40 for doctors like because there's you see so many things and there's reviews right you can be like oh this doctor has good reviews but and there are good doctors yeah like and i'm just like i'm like where's the what's like the the michelin guide so you know i'm like no these motherfuckers won't dismiss you like if you're saying something's wrong because i mean not just i'm not trying to paint the entire medical industry with one brush. Cause I know people myself were very dedicated to what they do, but I know there are also so many people who slipped through the cracks that it's like half the time.

I feel like I'm, I'll pick a, just a doctor because who's closest and then end up going to another doctor. And they'd be like, does your insurance cover? Exactly. That's the thing. And that's why people like have to go to certain doctors, you know?

Yeah. And they're like, oh, how come he didn't get all this blood work and blah, blah, blah done? I'm like, I don't know. I'm not a fucking doctor. I just went to this motherfucker and they said it was all good. Well, you're saying what now? Like, that's. Listen, I've been in the doctor's office.

My daughter's long COVID. So we have many doctors. And sometimes, you know, she's a sassafras like her mama. And sometimes we'll leave and she'll be like, that guy was an asshole or that woman. Did you see the way she didn't talk to me? She didn't look at me. She just looked at you. Like I'm not a person, blah, blah, blah. And I say, I say, B, here's what you got to understand. Just like I just said about the forgiveness thing. Doctors are just people. They're just people. They're not like some magical demigod. They're just human beings. They can be just as racist,

just as stupid, just as biased, just as tired, just as hungry, just, you know, all of those things not to excuse their behavior, but like,

where is it coming from? Yeah. Is it willful bias and ignorance or is it like they're really, really rushed and maybe you still don't want to see them anyway.

Yeah. Or the momentum of the, whatever the status quo is within a given profession, too. You know, every industry has this, like, decades-old momentum of terrible habits and shit that can't be broke. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway. Let us know.

What's the Michelin guide for doctors? I don't want to plug anybody. No, what's the Michelin guide for doctors? No, I don't want to plug anybody. But, you know, when you Google the when you Google doctor's names, it does. You'll see a rating come up and or ZocDoc also has ratings. Yeah, ZocDoc does have ratings. But then see, but then I think because of Yelp, I'm like, see, I don't know what this person been through.

Word of mouth. Word of mouth. I have found almost all of my daughter's specialists and my doctors through word of mouth. Yeah. That's like the same thing. I'm like, you like your doctor? The second someone says that, I'm like, okay, what are they like? Where are they at?

Where are they at? What do they do? Can I get an appointment? To all my girls here in New York, I gave them a rundown because it took me two years to find all my doctors. I went through trial and error. I've also had very, I've talked about it on this podcast. I've talked about it on Ethnically Ambiguous. I've definitely had the run of the gamut of bad doctors. I have a really great selection here now. And I

like sent it to all my girls who moved to New York. I was like, these are my doctors. If they're covered by your insurance, go to these people because they respect me. Becca, you have performed a very important service. Yes. That is an incredible, you've saved them hours and months and years of pain. So bravo, girl. Bravo. They're like, hey, I want to get Becca's list. Like, how much?

Yeah, what's Becca's list? What's her list? All right, let's take a quick break. And we'll be right back to talk about governance after this. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades.

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the mouths of the republicans and like ever since 2020, the rhetoric from this group has just been like some fucked up promotion for like a revenge tour, like, you know, striking back at those that refuse to allow an election to be overturned or those that have enforced the law and let us kind of get away with it. Oh, we got something for y'all. That's like the energy. None of their talking points are ever solutions to actual problems. It's just like, man, and that's a problem, huh? Inflation? What's your plan?

It's bad. Huh? That's okay. That's not going to help people who are living check to check. You can't just be angry at it. If you're saying, vote for me so I have a position to make decisions, then maybe give them some idea of what's you know what the solution is there anyway right now they're making a lot of noise about how you know when we

get back into power the woke companies oh they're fucked and what does that even mean so like like companies that are acknowledging that climate change is going to kill us so they're doing the literal bare minimum to act like it's an issue. So they said in the Senate, this is from the Washington Post, like the title of the article, something about like the GOP goes after cancerous, like climate investments. So senators are pushing legislation to punish businesses that prioritize environmental, social and governance causes, also known known as esg rather than pure profits okay that's saying like oh hey we're not we're gonna go dark on election day so people can vote

they're like oh so you all woke now hey we're gonna we're gonna invest in this like technology that will help the planet oh so you're fucking woke now and they said that this already seems to already create a bit of a chilling effect on Wall Street. And because some CEOs are now scrambling to, quote, emphasize that their firms are still investing in fossil fuels to be like, you see, we haven't crossed the Rubicon. Congressman Andy Barr of Kentucky goes even further. He said, quote, My view is that ESG investing is a cancer within our capital markets. It is a fraud on American investors. Carmen, you have a bit of a finance background. Oh, 20 years.

Yeah. When you hear a statement like that, that ESG investing is a cancer within our capital markets, a fraud on American investors, it's cancerous to invest in like equity and environmental stability. Miles, I also have a master's in psychology. This is projection. This is complete and utter projection. Anything they say is what they're doing and who they are. They are the cancer, right? This is all about their real thing that they really, really, really want.

It has actually pretty much nothing to do with really going after these companies. It's about creating a story and a language and a sense of rage, right, which is what they feed off of, which is where they get their votes from, right, and fear and strike some fear in businesses to get, you know, to lean off of the whole, you know, getting off of fossil fuels. Because in the end, you know, that's what their leaders, the Republican leaders, they're tied to that. They're tied to all of that. So they want their profits. So that's, they put out a message. Let me tell you, if there's one thing that, you know, the Reds can do, it is messaging. Oh, yeah. Because they go in wrong and strong.

Wrong and strong. And you know what? It's easier to be wrong and strong. Absolutely. That's just the bottom line. And it's easier to appeal to lizard brain. Always easier. Lizard brain is just easy peasy.

But it's much harder to, you know, really lead with the actual thing, the actual stuff, because it's just not angry. It's not fear. It's not anger. It's progress. And this country, you know, you know, it's got a problem with progress. Absolutely. And I mean, this this quote, I feel like truly it's like the embodiment of what is wrong with our society, right? The idea that maximum profit is like the moral pursuit, even if it exacerbates poverty and earth death. I mean, look, did you did you see the there's a somebody snuck out a video of I can't remember what candidate was or what senator was saying that the actual goal is to completely get rid of Social Security. Yeah. Now. Yeah. So talk about

maximizing profit. So what do you want people old older people and poor people to do die yes yeah yeah in the end of the day because their belief system their value system is completely based on animalistic things like survival of the fittest which is not what real societies and civilizations can live off of no No. We can't, right? Because if you're a society, you have an obligation to help people in that society, right? That's society. And that means that we're smart human beings. But if you want to go back to, you know,

being living in the plains, the desert plains, then and all this talk about alpha stuff and all this survival of the fittest, it's that whole belief of if you are poor, if you are disabled, if you can't get ahead, it's your fault. And you will succumb to whatever,

you know? And well, but by the way, until, because I have a section of my family who grew up in New Hampshire, who, you know, went a different way and they'll be,

you know, they were, they'll use disability, but they'll just rant against it. Yeah. Rant against all these things until they need it. And if you dig, you'll see that that's the case. So for example, how they all came out and said, student loan debt, how dare you forgive that? And meanwhile, all these guys talking that had all of their loans from the pandemic loans forgiven absolutely it's not about that it's it's just oh man right it is so it's so lizard yeah 100 and i it's just also funny too because even goes against like their free market ideology too like yeah what about

letting the markets decide fam i thought that was your whole thing too and if they're saying i don't know consumers seem to not really fuck with killing the planet and they're like that's what the market is telling us they like this shit we're selling it we're making money what the fuck is this but again it's all because it's all in service of this like theocracy where you know white cishet christians are like at the top of the fucking ladder because that seems to that's sort of what has been powering them for the longest time you know right and if they keep it up well we won't we won't catch up that's what they don't they don't want us to catch up they don't want you to catch up and i think you know it's like the only like when they like the fraud on american

investors it's the only fraud here is like the constant like self victimization that absolutely conservatives preach. You know, society is clearly moving in the opposite direction of these right wing extremists. And that's why they have to go all in on like election denial and voter suppression because their message of like hatred and climate change now doesn't resonate. You know, and the fact that companies are donating to candidates that aren't espousing the same rhetoric also pisses them off too because they're like well then fuck it man we'll find a way to fucking destabilize your business too because just get in line this is the one party or whatever and this is the one way of thinking and it's just wild like you're stretching big time when you're like when you identify like like JP Morgan Chase and Goldman Sachs

is like these woke capitalist companies like, come on now. No, this is crazy. I look, listen, while not to let me bring it back, I'm going to bring it back to the book. Then here's how, here's how, here's how anybody who's grown up with narcissistic parents knows what this, how this all goes and knows what this is all about you've heard it you've seen it you've lived with it and you grew up with it so it's easy to see what they're doing the victimization no it's not it's me oh you were hurting me you're doing this it's all of that the projection the victimization it's all psychological tactics that are unfortunately working to to keep us down because nation, not even nationwide, globally, we're seeing this, right? We're seeing how scary the Brazil election was. We're seeing how we're seeing

Israel. We're seeing all these really hard, right? Because the population of the world is changing. Yeah. It is turning into us. Look at us people. If you could see us right now, let me tell you we got brown we got asian we got black we got latino we got all of it right here and that is what they're terrified of yeah yeah and i think it's it's part of like the this denial about like this myth that i think like the old school white american tells themselves about this like idea of american exceptionalism and completely having to ignore like they they don't want to confront that central myth uh you know especially that like that most people talk about that the

land that their country sits on is was violently colonized and then built with slave labor but not because they were innovators and benevolent explorers some of this is off a brute force and violence and then it's like kicking back and be like yeah wow this is this is this place is fantastic and i think there was this there's this moment like i just want to touch touch on like the kind of backlash that i think we're seeing really like form in a in a really specific way since you know like obama was elected and you know i think far too many people thought hooray racism is over even though we never had a reckoning with that other stuff i just talked about like genocide and slavery but we're totally good now totally good now everything's all good

but then that also set off the tea party and birther nonsense and now we're kind of here and there's just in your book i just want to talk about your book really quick or i mean this is the reason i bring this up is that like america right has this issue with seeing people who are not the status quo begin to experience any level of equity or success and or if there's even pride, God forbid, in who you are and that's not conforming to the status quo of cishet Christian whiteness, then guess what? They're probably going to come for you because, oh, you're too you're too proud to be gay. You're too proud to be black. You're too too proud to be Dominican, whatever it is. There's just there will always be some like, well, why can't we be proud of being what? Like, you know, there's always that weird,

freaky counter argument that you see. And like in your book, there's this one moment that really stuck out to me is when your mother who's Dominican, like Afro Latina, she was inspired by Rita Moreno, seeing Rita Moreno on the electric company. And she had her hair in an Afro. And she was like, Oh, I like that. Got her hair done. And then when she came home, your stepfather did not like what he saw. And she had to very quickly make herself small to appease the status quo, so to speak. Well, to appease her white new husband. Yes. Yeah. That part of the book hurt.

white new husband yes yeah yeah that part of the book hurt yeah it hurt a lot of people it's come up a lot because it really just shows just how tough that whole idea of you know quote-unquote assimilation was so we moved from harlem to new hampshire to give people some background i went from dominican chinese from chinatown harlem to the whiteness wilds whiteness of new hampshire and a new white stepfather and the spanish no spanish in the house no spanish food no dominican food no chinese no nothing and it just turned into whiteness and my mother tried to rebel a little bit and tried to be proud of herself because she was a very funky fun well-dressed of of course, the Winnie Gana in New York. And she did that hairstyle and the pride in her face when she walked in the door. I lit up and then within two seconds, I went, oh, shit. Because I knew what was coming.

And when my stepfather came home and he saw, he called her upstairs and she came down a bit later, her face a little puffy and she had a scarf on her head. And I didn't, we didn't see her head again until that hair grew out and she could pull it back in a ponytail and straighten it again. And that base message was to her was how dare you be yourself? How dare you be proud of your hair and your heritage and all of that? And the message to me was, is that be yourself? How dare you be proud of your hair and your heritage and all of that? And the message to me was, is that if you want to be in this America, you need to look like us and be like us, or we're going to make you, or you can't be here. And it was bad to be me. So it was very much that sad message but i'll tell you in terms of not

letting us succeed and being proud i got that message when i was a little kid in catholic school there in new hampshire the nuns hated that i was smart hated it they would knock points off shit oh they hated it it made it infuriated them and i like kind of lapped it up as like a little kid being like their expectations of me were so low and then i was like this like crazy straight a student and they like chalked it up to the chinese side or some shit but it drove them crazy and they wouldn't let me join the national honor society they wouldn't let me do lots of things which affected my life and if you can imagine this happens all the time. Yeah,

exactly. All the time. Right. I think that's why just like the book can resonate with so many experiences. Right. Because just even from that moment, I think a lot of people have felt, man,

like, man, but people are going to laugh at my lunch because it smells funny. I eat ethnic for like, I'm not eating fucking lunchables and shit. Right. Or, you know, like, I don't want to bring chopsticks to eat my lunch at school because I'm like, what's, oh, you're going to eat the sticks or whatever.

Oh, they'll be like, it's weird. That's weird. You know, and like, you, you like, and that's like, those are the subtle ways that you grow up, like having to check your sort of immigrant-ness or non, like mainstream white American-ness. Right. Yeah. And I think it's also really interesting perspective that kind of shows just how like this like violent enforcement of the like white status

quo like affects us in so many different ways you know like you're talking about achievement right so many like my mom's an immigrant from japan my dad's black they're like man you gotta go to fucking college it's the fucking there's no choice you have to fucking go are you out your fucking mind you will go to college you will get a degree you will then have to get a good job so you can enter the middle class so you can survive this shit and like it was like told to me like they're like listen to me oh you know no choice and in a way like i had that hammered into my head and i'm i'm glad i did go to i learned a lot from my time pursuing my education and things like that but it definitely put a damper on my own belief that i could pursue like creative interests too absolutely look at me i ended up

doing completely you know all i wanted to be was a writer like that's all i ever wanted to be and it took me till you know decades to get back to it after going doing all this other stuff because in our house we were not allowed you had to be a doctor a lawyer an mba period surviving survival is step one it's not. Don't worry about survival baby. We're good. Like. That's a very specific kind of person. Where survival isn't. The.

Absolute step one. To living. First survive. Yes. First survive this shit. Yeah. Then. If you got time. Alright.

Fuck around that other stuff. But step one. Is fucking survive. Because don't get it fucked up. This place is. Really difficult. Yeah. For people who look like us.

Yeah. And. It's. It's is really difficult for people who look like us. And it's just like, yeah, just knowing that just sort of the imbalance of all that, right? And we're in a situation now. Yeah, we're trying to, we're merely saying we want to live in a world. We want to live in a world where I don't have to look at my kid

or something and say, you know what? Like you got to worry about X, Y, and Z, because this is everything is stacked against you, et cetera, et cetera. There's no such thing as equity. You got to fight for everything because unfortunately that's the case, but that is completely then spun by people on the right as like an attack, right? Because our equality looks like their fucking nightmare. I just want to play this one ad that's playing in Georgia because I think it perfectly sums up how conservatives are thinking, especially in this moment.

This is a real ad playing in Georgia right now asking about, like, why is it OK for there to be racism against white people? When did racism against white people become OK? Joe Biden put white people last in line for COVID relief funds. Kamala Harris said disaster aid should go to non-white citizens first. Liberal politicians block access to medicine based on skin color. Progressive corporations, airlines, universities, all openly discriminate against white Americans. Racism is always wrong. The left's anti-white bigotry must stop.

We are all entitled to equal treatment under law. America first legal paid for this ad. So all those quotes, half of them came from Daily Wire. Yeah. Wow. Wow. They want to be discriminated so bad. Well, again, it serves them, right?

This language, it serves them and it doesn't acknowledge the disparity at all because it says we're equal treatment. It's not, they know that things aren't equal yeah they know there's no equity they know and this is what really drives me crazy when people talk like this they know they know how bad they know they know but they they're choosing to focus on the language and focus on twisting the language to suit what they want to do but it's it's propaganda it's just they want to do. But it's propaganda. It's just total psychological, what do you call it? Psyops.

Psyops. Just to say, what about us? Because the whole thing is just kind of like, really what the subtext of this is, it's white people were about to be like we did the other people. That's the subtext. They are scared of that. And they know that.

Because you have to know how bad non-white people have it to be able to connect that pain and fear to this kind of ad. Because most white people would be like, what? I don't know. In my majority white area, my job is like, it's been one day. I'm fine. Yeah. Oh, shit. Right.

AOC. She's all outspoken and shit. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I don't want to get dunked on by her. She was a bartender, which is like the same. And, you know, I got to tell you, man, even within the community, I hear it from sometimes I'm talking, you know, in the community of my Latinos and the men, too, are very man about people like AOC. Even if they're left, it's like they really dismiss her

i've gotten to like arguments they really dismiss her because she's a woman it's a machismo bonkers man if it's not racism it's machismo in our community it's like yeah and hence why latinos in you know voting in florida look at where it's going you gotta be kidding me man kidding me because we want to be so much a part of the ruling class right we want to be accepted so bad and you see that too with like so many like people that the right co-ops like black and brown bodies that they're like look at this one and you can also see like anybody too like i think any person any marginalized person who's been like, damn, man, like the fuck, man, being a white, it looks easier. Or like I would get less shit if I was white.

Like that, that can stay with people throughout their entire lives to the point that next thing you know, they're on, they're on Ben Shapiro's show talking about how, you know, the reason why, look, I'm black and I'm telling you the problem is fathers aren't just around. It's not mass incarceration or anything like that. Okay, Bill. Okay, Bill. Right. Yeah. Seriously. But like, that's really, you can kind of, you just see how like, there's also this.

Ego. Yeah. How that all that is like internalized white supremacy too feels like, well, shit, I might be safer if I'm team these people. Oh, absolutely. Like that's, you know, the insidiousness of that too. And you're like, damn. There's a really good book about it for Latinos specifically.

It's called The Hispanic Republican by Geraldo Cadava. And it's the byline is the shaping of American political identity from Nixon to Trump. So highly recommend it for a read if you want to unpack like kind of like the white Cuban Latino of Florida. Oh, yeah. A lot of the internalized racism our community has when it comes to like voting. I know my father personally, he was never a Republican, but he definitely dealt with his own internalized racism and truly like head in the sand. You know, if I don't, you know, say anything, I don't have to worry.

Like, how do I just assimilate and be the the latino man that they need me to be and not fuck the system it took trump getting elected for my dad to really care and realize oh shit this affects me you know for so long he was like you know like i don't say nothing i don't do nothing i do what i need to do i speak english i refuse to speak Spanish. Like, I yell at anybody who tries to speak to me in Spanish. I like my white Americana things. I eat meatloaf and that's who I am.

Oh, my God. Meatloaf. You said meatloaf. Oh, God. Traumatized by meatloaf, girl. And then it took Trump getting elected for him to become, like, a prouder Latino in our home. Like, it really did. It was crazy.

If my mother were around, it would be the same thing. It would be the same, same thing because she ended up evangelical in the end. And she, you know, even though she's the one who taught me how to cite, how to see propaganda when I was a little kid, because, you know, her family fled, right? A dictatorship and all of that stuff.

But once she was here, it was all just assimilate. And then she became super, super conservative. And it was just horrible to see, but it was all this kind of like fleeing towards some sense of safety. Yeah. Like if I, if I go with them,

I'll be okay. Like, you know, but if I'm against them, then I'm a target. Yes. And it's just so sad. It's very,

yeah. And as a binary, like, and if you don't have the self-belief or feel feeling that you could even be safe in your community it as a binary you might be like well that's at least safe because i know if i'm out here proud of who i am yeah fucking target sometimes yeah or a lot of the time for sure yeah it's just that's what that's what america do to you well Well, yeah. And if your own community doesn't even accept you either.

Because like when I was a kid with the New Hampshire thing and then all of a sudden I'm taking French and, you know, my Spanish is going away and I'm dressing different. And I come home to the city and, oh, you talk white. Like you look so white. You this, you that. And my own community rejected me. Yeah. So you're getting it from both sides. So you can see these other generations are kind of like, well, I'm going to, these guys want me.

Like you don't want me because now I'm too gringa. I'm too American for you. Our own communities have to deal with our own stuff too. Yeah. Not besides, but, but as well, because it's so important to band together, man. You know that. I mean, the group of people who call me Jackie Chan the most were like my black friends.

Yeah. For like cousins too. And that's just how it is. First of all, he's Chinese. Hello. Yeah. Well, yeah. When I said that, they're like, what?

Yeah. They're like, I can't even comprehend. There's different kinds? They're like, we know that. We know that. Different kinds? Damn. Oh, no. But anyway. even comprehend there's different we know that we know that oh no but anyway miles the asian black thing love it my brother was very much ablation oh yeah that's what he came out it's interesting i mean i totally i identify so much with everything you write and like oh good it's

such a it's just so funny like it doesn't matter what it is every single like you start mixing races up it's pretty much the same thing for everybody yeah once the second that happens because it's so you come from well-defined like identities and then you try and find your place in the middle it's always very hectic until you just meet other places but don't but don't people say to you too like i find i get sometimes from the from the black community or the asian community they're kind of like but you know it's so complicated like there's so many things that's so complicated and and it's hard and it did that like like making it seem like it's this horrible burden whereas i have to say like i'm sorry but i find it the coolest shit like i can see and do

and experience things like that do you know what i mean i think it's a little bit of a superpower miles oh one i don't i don't i don't have any grievances about it at all. Good. To your point, like, I can navigate fucking any fucking space. Like, I grew up in LA, so I know enough Spanish. I'm good with Spanish speakers. All right. I'm good with fucking Korean speakers.

See? From osmosis, Armenians. Like, you grow up with a ton of different people and you hang out with them enough you're like oh shit yeah okay like i see i see the overlap here and there but yeah i mean we are the shapeshifters man and they are scared of us because we are the future of this world being bilingual and like your bilingual shit too fucks people up so bad like oh yeah i was i was just thinking about you know, like how you're saying, like in your house, having Spanish band. I know so many people who are like, like other half Japanese kids whose American parent was like, we're not.

Oh, yeah. We're not doing that because that's not I'm not about to have y'all fucking talking in code behind me, but behind my back even though they're loving parents but that like very odd like specific insecurity is there of like i love you you're my wife and you are from this country but don't fucking don't don't start speaking your other language to this kid because that now i'm left out and i damn sure i'm not gonna learn your that was part of it that was part of it too for sure that was part of it that that dynamic too and that dynamic of the the man, kind of the white savior thing, that also played out my mother's second marriage. That big, like, I'm going to take this dark Native lady and I'm going to show her American, give her American life and fix her teeth and get her contacts. And the Pocahontas effect.

Oh, it was so like that it's so weird because like I grew up in a both Puerto Rican home like both my parents are Puerto Rican but my dad was so Americanized my mom is from the island my dad is from the states and he was the one who was like we're not doing that in our house because like I'm afraid of what people will think of you my very Puerto Rican wife and so like they spoke in Spanish as a code against us but they wouldn't teach us Spanish because they did not like my dad didn't want us walking the world speaking Spanish and being discriminating against so it's like my dad only spoke it if he had to like if my grandmother really needed to understand something because she didn't speak English or if he was like argue with my mom about us and or my mom would use it to bully us which

was really fucked up and that's my own shit I gotta do with therapy but yeah she would speak Spanish in front of us to be like I'm mad at you but you can't tell I'm cussing you out because I'm speaking Spanish well that's how we learned all the swears, though. Yeah. Seriously. Our own mothers. Yeah. To the point I thought Carajo was my name. Oh, me too, right? Carajo, mira. So all I hear is my mother's voice every time.

And then I would be like, oh, Spanish swears. And she'd be like, you don't know any. And I'm like. I don't. Coño, Carajo. I see these ears. Everywhere. Yeah.

And I think also to your point, Becca, right? Like we're talking about the cycles that our parents would try and prevent, right? Like I'm sure your dad felt othered by speaking Spanish and knowing Spanish that in his mind, his strategy as a parent was I'm going to protect my child so they don't get bullied or othered by speaking Spanish. by speaking Spanish. Meanwhile, taking away a vital connection to a culture through language. And you come out the other side being like, it really would have been dope if you actually taught me. Yeah.

When I think about it, when I was reading your book, Carmen, when you're talking about the food in the household, because my mom cooked certain, like my mom grew up as the cook in her family. Like she, my grandmother grew up in a single parent household. Like my great grandmother was a single parent in the, like in New York, in Washington Heights. And so my grandmother didn't learn how to cook. And so my mom, when she, my grandmother married a

Puerto Rican man and moved back to Puerto Rico, she learned from all her tias to cook. So my mom was a cook for the whole family, cooked traditional Puerto Rican food. But then she met my dad and my dad didn't like to eat that food because he is so Americanized. And I mean, he likes certain dishes. We grew up with like certain Puerto Rican dishes, but I ate very Americana growing up,

like burgers, meatloaf, roasted chicken. Taco night. Same, hon. When you said meatloaf, I cringed because that's my mother learned how to cook and i put that in quotes because the stuff was trash i mean it was terrible and my mom is an incredible cook so the food was good but it's just like i think about those meals and i'm like wow my mom really like and not that puerto rican food is great for you by any means

but it's like my mom learned how to cook some like really American ass dishes for my dad, I feel like. And he is still very picky eater this day. Like he's only now curving his diet a little bit because the doctor was like, you got to figure this out. This is not working for you anymore. You can't be eating fast food all the time, whatever. But it is just so crazy the things that my mom, who grew up in a very ethnic household, kind of curved, even though my dad was also Puerto Rican because he was so afraid. And it was a conversation a lot. My mom was like, no, like, my kids are gonna be bilingual. Like she was like, well, I grew up thinking my children would always become bilingual. But marrying your father, it was so interesting to be like, I see, like, you're not gonna have a relationship with your kids if they speak Spanish.

And that's well, we can, but we that's that's that's for us right that's for us to change and to choose to change and and all of those things like i got my spanish back pretty much and tried but to raise my daughter with it but thwarted a bit by the fact that i was the main breadwinner so i wasn't the one who could and the person there the people that she was with in terms of daycare was, they were Georgian from Russia, like Georgians, you know. Yeah, from Georgia, right. And she ended up taking in school Mandarin. Oh, wow. Because she knew her kung kung.

She knew her grandfather. And she really took to Mandarin. And she does music, math, and Mandarin. It's like the same parts of her brain. And she's like in like Mandarin 6. And she's amazing. But she knows Spanish. She knows the food. she knows we i've taken her to santo domingo i've taken her to dr many times she knows all those parts of her and though she struggles

more with colorism yeah because my brother's kids are black wongs yeah right their mom's from guyana black guyanese she, my daughter turned out una blanquita, blanca, blanca, like blue eyes and the whole thing. And kind of freakishly, she is the only white kid in the family. So she's dealing with it in a whole nother way. And she says to me the other day, she says, you know what, mom, because we're talking politics, it's very depressing for her, of course, for all of us, but for the young kids, teenagers, it's really bad and she was like you know what i'm just glad that i lived through the obama years she's like because i got to see

how it could be yeah and it was like oh she broke my heart with that but that idea she she did it was a very different time i mean it wasn't i'm not saying everything was you know copacetic yeah yeah but it wasn't as like the hate speech wasn't so outward it wasn't so aggressive people used to have shame about these things yeah yeah they used to be ashamed but no no longer no longer all right let's take a quick break uh and we'll be right back to talk about a teenager who might be saving democracy. Some good news after this. and we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new chilling firsthand accounts,

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And you say, how? Well, back in the summer, this kid's entry for a contest to pick the new design for the I voted sticker in that county just blew up. And for those of us on this Zoom call, I don't know if you've seen it. It's like a multicolored head with a mechanical spider underneath. Yeah. colored head with a mechanical spider underneath uh yeah as jm describes if basquiat illustrated the children's book based on john carpenter's the thing yes i love the thing with teeth and everything yeah exactly i love it i voted and like the teeth are like rainbow colored the eyes are bloodshot and i guess reportedly the election commissioner who was like in charge of this

contest was quote shocked when she first saw the entry and she thought it was a joke because she received it on 420 so she thought okay nice try potheads you think this is gonna fucking go but yeah this is wild the the reason okay so this it did get selected and it's not because like it wasn't just like ironic internet people being like yeah vote for shitty like multi-colored crab head sticker there was like they said everyone in this office at the county commissioner's office was quote evenly split between republicans and democrats they all laughed at the design so they they put that forward with like five other designs to the final six.

And this kid, Hudson Rowan, he fucking smashed the competition. He got 94% of the vote. Whoa, crazy. You look at some of the other stickers, they are tired. They need to go to bed. It's past their bedtime.

The one is like a fucking eagle. I know. This one was fire, bedtime. The one is like a fucking eagle. I know. This one was fire, man. The second I saw it, I wanted to go find a way to buy it. I was like, I want one of those. I want one of those stickers. It's so wild. It feels like something that's like, man, this is straight chaos.

Absurd. But I don't know why. I look at it. I'm like, man, there's something true about this sticker. About this weird disembodied crab head that's like in a panic. Being like, I voted. Or I see him as being like, I voted, motherfucker. That's the way I see him.

That's how I see him. Oh, it's like, yeah, maybe one of me doesn't scare you. But when millions of us get together. Oh, yes, exactly. Exactly. But yeah, it's just like it's just kind of a really beautiful like kind of moment. And like the kid wasn't even trying to be like, oh, let me shit on this competition by putting forward this like image. Apparently, like his mom was just like, hey, there's a contest.

And he like and he saw what people were doing like american flag shit and like uncle sam type red white and blue nonsense and so he just said he decided to just doodle something that was more personal and reminiscent that of something he would have drew when he was younger oh my he said he hopes it will inspire many people to vote well guess what motherfucker it looks like you have it's being used in early voting. And the Ulster County Commission, they're like looking at everything. They said, man, one of the workers said the sticker has become, quote, highly coveted and has driven up turnout and excitement. And one of the people who was like running the elections there said it's definitely gotten more people out for the first day.

I've never seen this many people for a midterm. Now, I'm not going to say it's definitely gotten more people out for the first day i've never seen this many people for a midterm now see i'm not going to say it's solely the sticker there are some pretty important issues up for debate but i do think there is something to it because if you look back at the history of like the i voted sticker it happened in like the back end of the 20th century as a way to get to like make voting this thing that felt more like a social gathering yeah and i think you know like like like we've seen with the sticker we have it's clear like research shows that like stickers actually have an impact on some level on voter turnout because a lot of people may vote not because they're like oh shit like this is my

civic duty but also because they're like well everybody else getting the sticker oh social pressure man i post like tomorrow i'm voting early tomorrow and you know i'm gonna post you know the picture with the sticker yeah absolutely i think everyone does like i always do it too yeah social pressure 100 100 but it's just it's it warms my heart to see that like they truly are just like looking at this and like, damn, you know, a lot of people like this absurd crab head. So shout out to that young man. The children are our future. Yes.

Teach them well and they will make stickers. They look like little crab heads. Shout out crab heads. Shout out Rowan. And yes, please, please fucking vote. Well, Carmen, please fucking vote. Well, Carmen Rita Wong, thank you so much for joining us on The Daily Psych. It was an absolute pleasure speaking with you. Where can people find you and follow you and read you and all that?

Yes, yes. Go to at Carmen Rita Wong on Instagram and also website is carmenritawong.com. Go order the book. Spread the word. Let me know what you think I love love getting people's feedback reviews talk to me through the website DMs whatever I just love it and it's something

for everyone as you said miles something for everyone will resonate American story thank you so much for having me oh no no it's always being on this very like American kind of scary to the other side show. Because you just look at us. We are just, oh, we are it, man.

And if only they knew. We're not being like, how do we throw them all in jail? No. We're out here being like, man, everybody needs some shit. Yeah. And you do too, frankly. Yeah. Let's be real. Oh, I'm sorry. You can't admit that you're getting fucked over okay yeah maybe your ego will

subside for a moment and you can allow yourself to be vulnerable because i think that's the other huge part about being american there's vulnerability is like not a real thing no yeah no no like allowing yourself to struggle in public is the worst absolute optics. You're talking to someone who has a memoir out, Miles. Let's just say I'm not 20 years old. Like it takes. Yeah, you got it. You got to grow some cojones, you know. For real.

Is there a tweet or some other social media posts that you've been liking? Oh, isn't Twitter an interesting place? I'm at Carmen Sense, S-E-N-S-E. But I have held back on posting on Twitter because I am concerned about what's going on. But at the same time, it is so much my place because I follow great, great reporters. I follow great news outlets and I follow long COVID research and COVID stuff and it's just been a wealth of information for me. So I'm going to be a little quiet

there for a little bit to see what's happening, see what rolls out. We'll let Elon destroy himself. Just go ahead and destroy yourself, my man. No, I'm not going to destroy myself. I did download my archives. Elon. Oh, him?

Oh, God. You mean the child at the controls? Mr. Emerald? The boy with emeralds in his pockets? The child at the controls. But yes, I downloaded my archive. I said, just everybody do the same. Yeah, see, don't do what I did.

I lost all my Vine videos, man. Are you serious? I had some wild- some wild ass vines dude come on i know i know it is what it is low-key yeah what are you gonna do no vine was fun unfortunately i like tiktok i'm there but i'm a ghost i just watch i don't i think many of us are same yeah yeah it's too much great creativity man too much great yeah and it's good that the algorithm hasn't taken you into like pseudoscience tiktok because like it's i started getting stuff like that and i'm like yo no i do not like this don't show me that i know i know how to like swipe through real fast when that sort of stuff comes up yeah like i ate popcorn for 30 days here are the results and you're like i'm sorry what you ate popcorn for 30 days. Here are the results. And you're like, I'm sorry. Drink some water.

No, no, none of that stuff. No, Becca. Thank you so much also for helping me co-host today. You the you the greatest. Where can people find you and follow you? And if there's a tweet or tick tock that you're fucking with. I have a couple tweets, but you can find me and follow me at Bex, B-E-C-C-S, Ramos on all platforms. I am a ghost on TikTok and I'm very active on Instagram. I'm also kind of a ghost on Twitter, but I did find two tweets,

one from Jamika2011, J-A-M-E-C-A, 2011. My mama swore up and down she wasn't my little friend. Now look at her, my little friend. And that made me laugh so hard. As someone whose mother also told her she was not her little friend. Yeah. Oh, we're sending tweets. Oh, okay.

Go, go, go. I got one. Go ahead, Becca. Okay. And then the second one I have is from Sephirgoth. S-E-P-H-I-R-G-O-T-H. Keep me in your thoughts today. I have to go to work even though I'm so sleepy and beautiful and fun to be around. Wait, wait, wait, I got one because I screenshotted this yesterday. At Mr. Jemadari, M-R-J-E-M-E-D-A-R.

Glad to see so many embracing therapy. A few of you need an exorcism as well, but baby steps. Baby steps. Love it. Oh, shit. Let's see. Some tweets I like. First one is from Harry Wine Reb, W-E-I-N-R-E-B, tweeted,

Today marks four years since I cut poisonous berries out of my diet. I feel amazing. I have so much more energy and no more daily trips to the ER. I can't recommend it enough. You always see tweets like that. I stopped this and I've been bad. But yeah, please stop eating those poisonous berries. Let's see.

Matt Farr at Philosopharr, F-A-R-R, tweeted, Overheard a university student say, Arctic monkeys were my dad's favorite band when I was little. I almost said this one. Oh, I saw that one. The passage of time is relentless, unfathomable, cruel, and unforgiving. Ooh. And then Sydney Battle at Sydney Battle with Ys, S-Y-D-N-E-Y, tweeted,

Huge drama on my block right now. Basically, my crows got tired of the local squirrels always taking some of the food I leave out. So now as an act of retaliation, the crows are going yard to yard, finding the squirrel stashes and eating everything. Squirrels are watching in horror. So a little bit of drama on that block.

I like her. I like her real Sydney on TikTok. She's great. Yeah. Let's see. Oh, you can find me at Miles of Grey on Twitter and Instagram. You can also find Jack and I on other podcasts. Miles and Jack got mad boosties and official NBA podcast.

And also my other trash reality TV podcast for 20 day fiance that I do with Sophie Alexandra. You can find us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter, at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We've got a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and a footnote. Footnote. Thank you. Thank you. Left me hanging there for a second. Or you can also check out

the song we're going to ride out on today. We're going to go out on this track by Imi Owusu. I-M-M-Y-O-W-U-S-U. The track is called Brown Supremacy. This guy is a really interesting artist. He is half Ghanaian and half Australian. And like his music, you know, because we're talking about, you know, racial identity.

I felt this is a really interesting track and he's a really interesting artist. He's like, you know,'s was growing up in australia but grew like also listening to west african like and ghanaian high life music and has been on this like musical personal artistic journey and you know even went to africa to like study with his grandfather to learn more about uh like high life music came back and now he's got this track and it just it feels like so fucking worldly. It has so many dimensions of music, whether it's rock and roll or African percussion and things like that.

It all comes together for a really wonderful sound. So this is Brown Supremacy by Emi Owusu. Wait, that's right. After that, I'm supposed to wrap the show up. So check us out there. Also, for more podcasts, check out the iHeartRadio app apple podcast or wherever you get your shows we'll be back later today to tell you what's trending until then take care of yourself bye bye

i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.

And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadson. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation,

then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball.

And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke.