The Daily Zeitgeist - Astronaut UFO Sightings, Abortion Pill Ban 04.13.23

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

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get your podcast presented by elf beauty founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to season 283 episode 4 of your daily night guys stay production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and it is thursday april 13th 2023 i guess we're does that mean we're one month away from a friday the 13th i don't uh yeah i guess well no not the way uh i don't know how 28 days it's got to be a 28 day near miss for that to work yeah yeah yeah now it's also national scrabble day. And National Borinqueneers Day. Wow, I remember that when we were talking about that last time.

That seems like two weeks ago. Yeah, I know. My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. No, we don't want labels. Labels are for guys who will not get our money. Hanging with my boy Pol Pot on a super yacht. Doesn't make us Nazis. don't you write mean words words of a certain type of adjectivity

just because Thomas got flied on Harlan Crowe's ride doesn't mean conspiracy that is courtesy of Rizik no scrubs coming from the discord shout out to you shout out to the people. No labels party.

Having the balls to just go full fuck boy on it. We don't want labels. Yeah. Leave us alone. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Me and Clarence Thomas! Me and Clarence, Clarence Thomas. We got a thing going on.

But it's much too strong to recuse yourself now. That's Billy Pauls, me and Mrs. Jones. We got to keep up the Clarence Thomas, Harlan Crowe stuff because the Atlantic, wow. The Atlantic came through and was like nothing what i can't if everybody who has a signed copy of mein kampf is a nazi then i mean what what's gonna happen what's good then what i mean next i like how that there's this this piece ended with being like look i have friends and they know my heart and they know I'm not racist was the take. And they're like, and if you don't know Harlan Crow, don't start casting aspersions just because he's really into Nazi stuff. The person started off the defense of Harlan Crow being like, I've been to his house and had cocktails and canapes.

It was like, oh, so you're a trustworthy, non-biased source. Oh, of course. Of course. Anyway, you don't know him. You know, that Atlantic article is definitely worth a read by. Yeah. non-biased source oh of course of course anyway you don't know him you know that atlantic article is definitely worth a read by yeah well we'll have to talk about it probably yeah eventually continue to defend miles yes we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat yeah by a director documentary filmmaker and podcast host whose new podcast, High Strange, is a fascinating exploration of one of my favorite topics on this show when it drifts through the national shared consciousness, aliens.

He's also the co-creator and host of the hit investigative journalist and true crime podcast Up and Vanished and Atlanta Monster. Please welcome Payne Lindsey! Hey! What's up, guys? What's up, man? Welcome, welcome. How's it going yeah i'm doing well how you guys doing we're doing all right we had a little hiss on the line as we were starting this and we assumed it had something to do with your appearance outside of area 51 and yeah these days you know my phones are probably tapped at this point so you guys might be a victim as well i'm

sorry about that i'm already probably on a watch list for the amount of stuff i downloaded on bit torrent so right yeah when you were like in eighth grade oh yeah and 15 minutes ago 15 minutes ago even yeah i don't have show time but i gotta watch yellow jackets you know what i mean you're on a watch list for people who like uh hallmark christmas movies just a little bit too much yeah this is weird why is he just pirating those it's not really like we're worried that he's gonna do something we're just fascinated how yeah serial killer we should probably yeah look into this he's created a new profile. Where are you coming to us from, Payne? I'm in Atlanta.

How about you guys? LA. Yeah. We're out here. I love the recording booth. You're in a proper sound booth. Oh, yeah. This is actually in my house.

This is like a small little whisper room I crammed into this one room in my house to be able to do this or zoom calls without you know having to set up a closet anymore right right right right no i love that love that awesome well we're gonna get to know you a little bit better we're gonna talk about aliens with you in our second act get your overrated underrated and all that in a moment first a couple of things we're talking about today beyond high strange, your podcast, and just talking about your experience going from alien skepticism and UFO skepticism to at least thinking it's something worth exploring. We're going to talk big pharma, being big mad at a Republican judge that banned the abortion drug. We're going to talk about NPR bailing on Twitter, possibly. All sorts of shit. But before we get to any of the pain, what is something from

your search history? Okay, yeah. So right before, I was like, this could be, you know, suicide. What is the creepy thing I looked up? But it turns out it's actually kind of funny. creepy thing I looked up, but it turns out it's actually kind of funny. My last search was bad Gerard Butler road rage movie. I guess I was talking to my friend about this horrible movie. I guess we saw a trailer for a new

Gerard Butler movie, and I was like, man, he's a talented actor, but he's been in some really bad movies in the last three or four years. This came out, so it's called in some really bad movies in the last three or four years. This came out. It's called Unhinged. It's horrible. It's comically bad.

This is a whole subgenre of movies. It's road rage movies, right? Isn't there a Russell Crowe one? It's the same. Got it. They had the balls to put Russell Crowe and Gerard Butler in the same movie? Also, I get this guy's confused.

Yeah, I was like, that's like a Bill Pullman, Bill Paxton doubleheader. That's too much. Maybe it is Russell Crowe. Too similar. It's funny how Google didn't even correct it. They were like, yep, here it is. You mean this? Yeah, that one. Exactly.'s like oh wait it is russell

crowe that's hilarious that it didn't even like auto correct like you meant this no it's like that and there's a new road rage prestige tv beef that i'm hearing good things about. So I guess Unhinged is the main road rage movie, but wasn't there one with maybe Samuel L. Jackson and Ben Affleck or something at some point? I feel like there was another road rage thing where people

encountered one another on the road and it led to a long, drawn-out thing. Or maybe I'm just thinking about unhinged and a lot of like hold on yeah no it is funny i think like it's like one of those things where like google's like it's close enough like you know like when you misspell something it's like showing you search results instead for this word that you misspelled yeah that is amazing yeah because they are yeah when i first saw like the, I was like, yeah, that makes sense.

And I Googled it just now, and I saw a screen cap, and I'm like, that looks like Gerard Butler. And I'm like, no, wait, it's Russell Crowe. Nope. There's also a movie called Rug Ridge from 2000. But I thought there was another one. The whole movie, he's just mad in a truck chasing him. Oh, really? That is it.

Is it just a lot of beating the steering wheel in anger? It's so weird. So did you see the movie or you just saw the trailer? Oh, no, I watched the movie. Oh, okay. Got it. And then, yeah, through all the information that you synthesized, slowly Russell Crowe had evolved into...

Yeah, I just saw another trailer. And I guess now I don't know if it was synthesized slowly, Russell Crowe had evolved into a director. Yeah, I just saw another trailer and I guess now I don't know if it was Gerard Butler or Russell Crowe in the trailer on TV at a bar. It was on mute. Right. Changing Lanes is the one I'm talking about. Changing Lanes? That's a

Ben Affleck, Samuel L. Jackson. Gerard Butler one? Yeah, unfortunately. We'll go ahead and the Gerard Butler one? Yeah, unfortunately. But we'll go ahead and assume Gerard Butler was in that one. Yeah, right, right, right. But it follows a successful young Wall Street lawyer, Affleck, who accidentally crashes his car into a vehicle driven by a middle-aged recovering alcoholic insurance salesman, Jackson. And then it becomes a hit and run and and things get

ugly so who's the wait who's the bad guy in this the wall street lawyer or the recovering alcoholic watch out for those recovering alcohol i think ben affleck is the bad guy got it got it okay based on i haven't seen it but yeah interesting interesting subgenre that kind of seems to have hit the its highlight for beef based on what people are saying have you guys heard about beef my mama loves it i've been to it entirely in one day uh on sunday oh okay so you you seem like you have some uh a road rage movie. You're a connoisseur of this. You got to go check out Changing Lanes, man. Yeah, let us know who the bad guy is.

That does not scare me in the slightest. But Beef is really good? It was amazing. I had no clue how to describe the show. It's a bunch of different things. Yeah. But the acting's amazing. Ali Wong is such a good actor and it's not what she got famous first she was a writer and then she did

stand-up and people were like oh damn you're good you're really good at stand-up for being like now watch the writer and then she's like yeah and also i'm like an incredible actor hey go to the store and grab more hyphens because i'm about to drop this acting role too of a lifetime she's gonna eat god on all our asses dude it's wild too because my mom unprovoked she was over yesterday and she's like have you seen beef and i was like no i was like the netflix thing she's like yeah it's like it's so good and miles's mom's a film critic so well but she's also the kind of person who doesn't usually like i have to ask her about stuff she likes so when she i think maybe she was just sort of like oh netflix what you will watch sometimes did you see this good thing on it but yeah i'm hearing constantly how good it is

i just caught up on succession that was my tv project i was watching succession on my phone while watching the lakers game that's what my talk about stress intake was like yeah but it was good because i could look away from the lakers game when it got too stressful right right yeah exactly and that's that is how the filmmakers behind succession said they wanted that show to be consumed is right on an iphone while a more important media event is happening behind it they said it was their preference so you're welcome but how about them lakers oh man look holy shit like i said we're gonna trying to kill us they they almost they almost did i was i was also texting sophie and prop too like on a separate thread because we're all the like toxic laker fans together and we

couldn't we couldn't believe what we were saying anyway more on that to come obviously who do they play next uh we're playing the grizzlies which oh yeah grizzlies are tough hey like i said you know i can go from this and i'll just go like that you know exchange yeah and then with moran on this one yeah i think i mean yeah i don't't... For how their ability to win, like, by any means necessary, is something that I just... They have the home court advantage too, right? Yeah.

Pretty much, right? Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. They do. Anyway, we'll see, we'll see. It could just be a stressful week altogether. Braun's going Braun, though. We'll see. Yeah, exactly.

He did that last night. He brawned. Yeah, yeah, he did. What is something you think is overrated, Payne? I think that In-N-Out is extremely overrated. It's the second time this fucking week. Is it? You know, it's okay.

Like, it's okay. Yeah. I think that people from the East Coast, going to LA for the first time or something, they're like, go in and out. They don't have that over there. First of all, you're never in and out of there. It's always

extremely long lines. It's absolute chaos inside. Everyone's like, you'll get it crazy style or animal style, whatever it is. It's like, that's not even, that's also okay. You know what I mean? Oh, grilled onions. It's all good. But I could never say you have to go to In-N-Out. Okay. All the time. So this is the second time someone has said this on this show this week i'm glad that we're like beginning to bookend the week with an overrated and not being overrated take

but i'm curious right is there is there a burger that you've had that you're like this lives up to the hype or are you sort of coming from the place of when you live outside of la this thing this you've heard tell of this place called in and out and it becomes like deified to the point that the expectations are just so astronomical when you go it's like yeah it's probably just that yeah like it's just a step above bigger than it is it's just it it's not bad it's it's right what it is right right right right five guys has a consistently dope burger and the fries i like i love it and their fries guys yeah um yeah i don't know i mean also burgers just a burger eventually yeah yeah i get that if it's bad then it's probably really bad yeah if it's bad the meat has gone bad and then it's that don't right i think the main thing

that five guys has going against it or uh that in and out has going against it, or that In-N-Out has going against it, is that it's like the big missing piece of information that I think people leave out when they're talking about how good it is. It's so good for the money. Like, you can't, for that price point, you can't get like that fresh ingredients like that. It's really good for the money. It's priced like a... It's not like a dollar, right? It's still gonna be like 14 bucks or something right i don't know yeah but compared to like i think sometimes

held up against like shake shack or even like five guys i think is a little more expensive than in and out shack is also overrated in my opinion yeah shake shack i i mean i like it you know what's so funny we had the reverse in In-N-Out effect over here in LA because all the New Yorkers were like, oh, Shake Shack, Shake Shack, Shake Shack, Shake Shack. And then when it came to LA, people were fucking lining up for Shake Shack. And I remember eating and I was like,

oh, this shit's good. I like the frozen custard actually better than the burger. I was like, I like this thing even more than the burger. Shake Shack makes me feel sicker than In-N-Out afterwards, which is something I have to... I enjoy both of them going down. Shake Shack makes me feel worse. I probably enjoy Shake Shack more,

but then I feel worse after the fact. Right, right, right. But the thing is that when people come from out of town to LA and get In-N-Out, they're probably not fully acclimated to the fact that everything is three times as expensive in Los Angeles. Yeah. I took my kids to Disney World and I was like, the prices here aren't that bad.

And that's when I realized that, oh, I'm just used to LA being everything in LA being incredibly expensive. Yeah. So it's the preserve absurd for Florida, but right, right, right. Yeah. I think overall, like, I think maybe in and out, just part and parcel of just the myth of California and Los Angeles too, for people who are outside of it, because like Jack, like, you know, our, like our studios, like in the heart of Hollywoodllywood and like when i say hollywood i'm talking about hollywood boulevard which is different than when people say hollywood interchangeably with like this like the glitz and glam this like yeah like convergence of like beverly hills with universal studios literally hollywood like yeah like on the boulevard right

and like all the time when we walk like when whenever i'm walking and i hear tourists walk by they're always like oh this is not what i thought it would be and you get that like there's like all this like there's this version of la that we all get like very passively because all the media that comes out of here but then there's like the very real like normal city of la and the emphasis that people put on certain parts there's always like a bit of a reconciliation that happens and they're like oh yeah okay this is just like some older part of the town uh and then all the stuff i see on tv is where all like the wealthy people live that they want you to believe is los angeles but just to compare prices real quick the in and out double double double burger is 345 the cheeseburgers when since when that's right now i don't know

this that's what it says on fast food menu prices yeah but what state is that right maybe maybe that's like the utah in and out but it's right and then the so that's what's officially listed on that website and then on like the cheeseburger for five guys is 11.59 okay yeah yeah yeah i don't i think it's pretty it's at least like half as expensive i feel like the combo is like around nine bucks or something but then you get fries and a drink either way the combo exactly the combo is nine bucks but that's still a fine price by la tax right yeah yeah and then 20 when it's all rung up. What is something you think is underrated, Payne? I actually think that nice socks are very underrated.

When I say nice socks, I feel like guys traditionally, at least my friends growing up, used to get just whatever the biggest pack of socks you could get for the buck. For sure. Buy my socks by weight. Just wear them until they break. But as an adult, I've invested in some nicer quality socks. And man, I'll tell you, it's a different way to live your life. It is. You don't know what you're missing.

It feels like you're suiting up for business like a nice thick pair of just it just feels good so well so your journey is from i'm the same way i would be like if like why would i buy up like i would i remember seeing a pair of socks like nice socks and you get one pair right and i'm like no no no i need at least a dozen socks by any means no but also but that's but that's my thinking too and i've definitely come to realize as i blow holes in like sock after sock because like i like grip my toes so much when i walk real that i'm like that the like the few times that i've like spent a little bit more money on a sock or like one that was more like activity appropriate i'm like oh shit okay but what's uh wait what are we talking like you're

going merino wool you're going silk infused brand that i've been buying i mean i have to plug in okay add some add some add some nyc.com okay how much they are they're not cheap but they're i mean you just gotta try them on to feel it out 25 bucks a pair or something stupid i mean i've paid that much for basketball socks i think i'm still like middle class with the socks there's definitely like the the haines ones i grew up with i've taken a step up to like nike ones that come in packs of four maybe you know but not not individually i'm not buying socks one at a time by buying these fresh to the imagination unless they're dress socks but both socks and underwear it's like i'll buy a nice pair of socks and a nice pair of underwear and then i'll try to just like just wear the like all the other

ones just get relegated to the bottom of the drawer and i never wear anything else until those yeah those nice ones start falling apart do you do this thing like my underwear drawer is basically the exalted few that are at the top of the pile because they get the most rotation if i go a few levels beneath that yeah i'm looking at artifacts from decades ago or things that that's how mine used to be but like i just i i just got fed up at one point i said you know what i'm literally investing in nice underwear and nice socks yeah i just got rid of those scary ones from i don't know when right that don't match it's like this is probably my friend's underwear i don't even know how i got this right yeah like my

underwear right now looks like a ghost's prom dress like it's so like spooky and tattered and like wispy and like used to be a white piece of fabric at one point you know what i mean i definitely i'm when i'm reaching that same point because i kept looking at my drawer and i'm like man i use maybe five percent of this shit in this drawer i'm like i gotta go scorched earth on some of these shitty pieces when you guys travel do you overpack your underwear yeah i usually do i under pack my underwear for some reason just assuming that you might shit your pants every single day or something. I always add one for the just in case. I usually 5x.

You know, like if I'm going for five days, I'm bringing at least 10 pairs of underwear. Yeah, I rarely shit my pants more than like a couple times on a trip. But you never know. You never know.

Gotta be ready for anything. Nice underwear socks i think that's very good under it's just so wild too because it's such a like the adult thing to do but for whatever reason it's like probably the where i'm the most stunted as someone who's nearing 40 years old is like gotta have those underwear that my mom bought me in college like i don't i literally have fucking underwear from what is that fucking almost 20 like 19 years ago companies that have gone extinct yeah that like i'm like head the company that makes like tennis rackets you hate that gift for christmas now you're like thank you just no one will ever want to buy that shit yeah no exactly and now i'm like oh no like these old american apparel underwear from 2004

yeah useless useless i got some american apparel tube socks floating around in my sock drawer somewhere like and where were you at your in your life that's what's like it's interesting to think like what were you like when you're living in new york or something yeah dressing as rocky three for halloween i think that's where i got them. Beach scene. Me and my homie dressed up as Rocky and Apollo for the beach scene. Shit, he just still got them there. There's nothing like the carbon dating of your

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Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television iheart radio and realm listen to dream sequence on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back and during the break we were talking about the movie, our relative experiences with the movie Fire in the Sky, which is a kind of detailed using the best special effects that they possibly could at the time, early 90s. an alien abduction that i remember it stuck in my brain as like it's so weird that all six of these loggers decided to tell this story about their friend being abducted and like all seeing the same flying saucer in this clearing in the woods and then they they were under suspicion for murder for five days and still stuck to it and we're just like nah like i don't know what you want want us to say but like we we saw what

we saw and then he reappeared and had this like one hour that he could remember out of the previous five days where it was like a very detailed experience on an alien spacecraft and yeah it stuck in my brain i also found a way to just be like yeah but it's probably bullshit but it it's always stuck there as like kind of i don't know hey pain i i i'm curious to hear about your experience because like my personal experience was going from aliens being the news story that exists on the checkout rack at the grocery store. And you, I think, even specifically mentioned that in the show. You sold those tabloids and you're like, ooh, yeah. Yeah, that seems crazy.

And then now I am someone who's fully just anything that, trustworthy, I'm diving in. I want to get all the details I can because of, like, all the things that have been declassified. But alien abductions have remained a thing where I'm like, well, that just, like, doesn't seem to fit for me. Like, I don't know. There's so many of them, too, that it seems like one of the things I've just relegated to. All right, maybe more on that later once we have more information on the UAP, the unidentified aerial phenomenon. But what was your journey like going from that grocery store checkout rack to like now being doing an entire investigative podcast into the phenomena?

I mean, as a kid, I just always thought this was a fun topic. Just the idea of, you know, wouldn't it be cool if they were real or we're not alone? That was a fun thought to think about. But as an adult making an investigative podcast about this topic, as you said, like the last couple of years, the conversations kind of shifted a little bit with some big news stories about Navy pilots seeing things in the sky. I took more of an analytical approach to the whole thing

and really tried to, I guess, shake it all down and find what little nuggets of truth existed for real. And with the whole alien abduction thing, I think that, you know, most of those stories probably aren't literally alien abductions. There's so many other things like sleep paralysis and stuff like that, that could, you know, you could rationally explain a lot of stuff. But if you think that there is life on other planets or somewhere else in the universe and they can come here to Earth from places so far away that we can't see them with our most advanced telescopes, that it's not, it wouldn't be impossible for them to do that. Right. And to get away with it

right I mean they're gone, see ya they're not going to be able to chase you to where you came from right yeah it's just a little bit more mind bending a little bit more

I don't know about that, because it sounds like Fire in the Sky, which is an alien movie that's based on a true story, but did it really happen? And so the Hollywood part of it's kind of like stigmatized the idea of a lot of this stuff. And there's not anything anything i think unless you experience something yourself you may not be convinced ever of anything yeah yeah and you interview the person

who the story fire in the sky is based on his experience and he's still got the same story still tells a beat for beat the same way it just sounds like a very exhausted person who's like, I really wish this hadn't happened to me. Yeah. Like, here's, I'll tell you again, man, this is exactly what I experienced. But yeah, I mean, just taking it away from abductions, like pilots are the ones who get me. I don't know what it is about it just seems like there's so many pilots who have seen weird shit in the sky and you talk about this french report with like scientists and generals and a lot of pilots and just like things that they have known for years

and i i don't know there there's that documentary i think it's called the phenomenon and they really lean on pilot testimony and these are pilots who fought in world war ii who went on to like be some of the first astronauts to go into space in the u.s and they're like yeah i saw a flying saucer and like tried to chase it and then it just like accelerated with no visible sense of propulsion and and flew away and they're just like yeah I don't know I don't want this to be true it kind of fucks it fucks up my credibility but this is what I saw and then of course the Nimitz that uh the the tic-tac story of the nimitz which is the aircraft carrier off of the coast of san diego that was just being kind of stalked by a bunch of

those tick these tic-tacs and the the 60 minutes actually talked to some of the eyewitnesses right yep that's the compelling case would you say like because i know like to jack's point i feel the same way like the pilots are the ones i'm like well those are the people who are most consistently saying like i'm i've not seen anything like this before and i'm flying around the sky all the time and i'm very familiar with like flying aircraft or propulsion systems to the point that i'm baffled. Are they sort of like, do you see them as sort of like the sort of primary or the first people that begin to interact with it in the most believable way? Or like, how do you sort of process the testimony of like pilots or other people who have, like they're saying they see

it firsthand outside of like a fire in the sky type situation? I mean, I think the most compelling case that we could get in 2023 right now would be a pilot flying, you know, some of our most advanced aircraft, which would be some of the most advanced in the world, seeing something in the sky that their trained eyes don't know what it is, right? And they can pick it up on radar and they can see it. And that shouldn't be there at all. Like no country should have anything that we don't know how to do. And I don't think that's even really possible. That'd be a blunder if, you know, in the past 50 years, China has advanced us by like 200 years 2000 years multiple centuries what a failed mission on us trying to keep up with the joneses over here like

right wouldn't that be such a and i'm such a uniquely american blunder too for the amount of money poured into defense so They figured out space shit already. Sorry, go on. I think those are the most compelling cases because these people are trained. They know what they're talking about. And for them to be shocked by anything in

our airspace, you tend to want to listen to what they're saying and believe them. And also, they don't really have any good motivations for making it up because they're, you know, they kind of lose a little bit of credibility, or at least they had in the past, by bringing this up at all. So a lot of people didn't bring it up. Yeah. I mean, so the Nimitz is the one that made it to 60 minutes. They actually interviewed two naval aviators who were in the same plane and came into visual contact with one of these Tic Tacs that was just below the surface and then it kind of circled their aircraft and then just like shot off and at a at a speed that makes no sense given

what we think we know about physics that i think a lot of people came away from that 60 minutes one yeah i i think that entered our consciousness more than, you know, anything that has come before it, because 60 Minutes is a pretty trusted, trusted name in news. But you told the Nimitz story. You talked about some things that I didn't know about it, like that it was multiple days. I think maybe 60 Minutes covered this, but I just like hadn't fully it hadn't stuck in my brain. fully it hadn't stuck in my brain but that there's multiple days where these tic-tacs were like stalking them and then like they would be going to a place and the tic-tacs would already be there so like they knew where they were going which is really kind of spooky they knew their rendezvous point which was secret information it's almost like they were just like toying with them or something yeah i mean speaking of secret

information so that's another thing that comes up multiple times in the first few episodes of your show is like the reason for keeping it secret and there's an interesting point that's made a couple times by different people that i think throughout the 20th century we assumed they were keeping it secret out of knowledge like they were like we have this knowledge and we're keeping it a secret because we don't think you can handle it and i forget who it was but somebody speculates that like they were actually keeping a secret out of ignorance like they were like brian bender politico yeah yeah but i think he's on the nose with that I think that's the biggest

misconception is that government secrecy, they're hiding it from us, they're hiding the fact that they don't know what this shit is they're hiding the fact that they've seen the thing and they can't explain it they know a little bit, but they don't want to come out and say hey guys, we don't know what this shit is

sorry, that would scare people or some people, that would scare a little bit i didn't want to come out and say hey guys we don't know what this is sorry that would scare people first or some people that would scare so i my other thought is like for the reason for keeping it secret and this actually occurred to me most in that interviews that happened around that south african school where the children all saw the same thing and And it had been kind of, I forget when it was, but this documentary, The Phenomenon, goes back and interviews the children as now young adults. And they're like, yeah, we saw what we saw.

But the thing that had been left out of the story at the time was that there was also a teacher who could corroborate what they saw. So it got explained away as children making up stories. There was a teacher who could corroborate what they saw. So it got explained away as children making up stories. There was a teacher who could corroborate it, and the military came in and were basically like, we will make it seem like you were drinking on the job if you kind of continue and follow through with this corroboration.

That got me thinking about what the motivation is for the military to actively try to keep this secret and it i i think it has to go back to at least partially to the fact that we for up to this point like from world war ii up to this point have like existed in this paradigm of like it's called the realist school in international relations but it's this idea that whoever has the most military power is going to use it to take shit and you know harm whoever is threatening them or like isn't threatening them but like it's just basically like kill or be killed and whoever has the most power will do with that power whatever they want and like the

fact that there have been these aliens or you know whatever these are around with technology that has like lapped us by centuries and they haven't like attacked us or like done ain't tried to take our resources like makes me think that it also like there's something powerfully undermining about the whole like military industrial complex like what what the philosophy that that whole military industrial complex rests on that they don't want out there. The idea that like a more advanced, more technologically advanced civilization wouldn't treat you like that. What would just kind of sit there and chill and not try and take over your

country. That's a good point. Yeah. I think it's more of like a, they're like, you know, let me see that. I don't like more of like a, they're like, you know, let me see that. I don't like,

if there's like a crazy case that happens and they descend on it, they're going to tell that guy that, you know, we're going to say that you were drinking on the job. If you keep talking about this, because they're like, give it over here. We want to see it first and figure out what it is ourselves and then

determine what we should do with this. You know, just out of like, maybe even some good intentions in there, but trying to figure out what's going on so that they can have an answer for anybody or anything. Hopefully, you know, eventually delivering a message that actually makes sense of anything. I think that there's just been too many mixed pieces over the years

that don't fully connect to each other. And I'm sure people have died with information that was important because of the taboo of everything. And yeah, I think the fear of aliens coming to Earth and harming us is a silly one because we're assuming that we're so important that they would need to do that. Right. I think that if you become that advanced, like I did an analogy in like later in the series about how we're just like a little anthill in the forest. And how often do you go walk in the forest and talk to an anthill?

You don't care about it. You're not going to step on it. You're not going to ruin it unless you're an asshole. You're just going to kind of let it be there. You're just going to be like, oh, there they are. There's the little queen or whatever. And yep, that's it. You might send some scientists to study it.

Sure, exactly. We're not there to be be like we got to kick that shit over like that's kind of the idea that it's funny you have a bunch of quotes from presidents in a row and like carter actually jimmy carter had an experience with a ufo where he like saw some lights in the sky and he's like, I could never fully explain it. Obama was just like, you know, talking about how there are things that we've seen in the sky that we can't fully explain. And then Reagan was like talking about it as a threat that could like bring everybody together. And like that, that's the dangerous idea that I could see the american military industrial complex eventually seizing on to is that we need to really step up the funding to our military more than you know it's already like such a massive portion of the revenue and

just everything that happens in in the country for the past 100 years but like he was marveling at it as like god could you imagine if we all got to fight a war with a threat from aliens yeah yeah which did he die before independence day came out i don't know maybe just barely yeah he's like god only i could have been there for that yeah i mean what do you think i mean because i feel like when the overarching thing when talking about like uaps and like these tic Tacs and things like that, there's people who I think like us, like Jack and I were like, that's fucking interesting. And I like that this is something we don't know about. And we're trying to understand. Then like I've like even like people like who I'm friends with and I've talked to who are like into science and stuff when I've talked about it. they're like, I don't know, man, it's probably some bullshit anyway. Like, and some people are really, they really want to maybe preserve this, like sense that, like, we know everything already. Yeah. But what do you sort of feel like the sort of forces at play are, you know, at work when like discussing these things? Because you're, you know, you are, you're, you're, you're intuitive

person, you are interested by it, you you begin investigating while other people might say there's nothing it's not even worth looking at what like where do where like i guess societally where are we going to what can we move towards where it maybe is easier to just say that is worth talking about doesn't necessarily have to mean that the fucking aliens are coming just like the movies. But like, but shit, like we might have to humble ourselves as human beings to say, yeah, there's there is something we don't fucking know. I think one, not everyone is extremely open minded. I think we've figured that out. Right.

I think for a lot of people, it doesn't fit very well into their belief systems or they understand their life and the world in this way. And this would put a real big cog in that if you had to factor in that, hey, there's also a thousand other life forms out there that are more advanced than us. That just exists. Nothing changes here.

But that's the thing that's real. And I think that science at this point legitimately supports the idea of extraterrestrial life. The universe is too big. The universe is too big. The combination of things that had to happen in our solar system for Earth to flourish, that has to have happened somewhere else. It would be more of an anomaly if we were the only ones. Assuming that there's not a life form that doesn't need the exact things we need to survive. I think for some people, it's easier to dismiss it because they're not comfortable

thinking about it. They're not going to come out right and say that, but I think there's a little bit of fear there. But there's a healthier conversation to be had about the possibility of us not being alone and that being more likely than not. And it shouldn't scare you that much. And I think that if you're being close-minded about it and assuming that we know everything already, I mean, shit, we used to smoke cigarettes on airplanes like not that long ago. I'm pretty sure we're still flying

in some of those planes. Oh, yeah. We just thought that was all good. Now you get arrested and a federal officer takes you to some crazy bunker jail in an airport

if you light a cig. I'm still learning. I still open every flight by asking the flight attendant if it's cool if I smoke in here. Just an actual fun bit. I mean, I was on a plane recently. It was an old MD-10

and it had the fucking ashtrays in the fucking armrest still. I think they still have the ashtrays. They have all those non-smoking signs and then they have one of the signs on an ashtray in the bathroom. Right, right. Well, you're sending us mixed messages here.

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I agree with the anti-choice activists That I talk to a lot And I'm going to say that this was a bad FDA regulation. It was hastily approved. Therefore, it is banned. This guy's court, Judge Kazmarek, is like where progress has come to die over the recent years. He has like this like lone court, like an Amarillo, where it's like one of those places where if you are an act like a right wing activist, you want to go to this judge to get a decision that you could then appeal all the way up to the Supreme Court. So like, you know, rolling back like rights for transgender workers, only many workers in general, like the remain in Mexico, like immigration

policy, he kept that in place. But the important thing to point out here is that the judge is just regurgitating again, bunk ass anti choice talking points, mainly the one about how pregnancy is not an illness or pregnancy is not a disease. Therefore, this drug, like this sub, this subsection of FDA regulations to research illnesses or diseases. Oh, now it's moot again. So like all these anti-choice people are saying that the FDA illegally approved Mifepristone through an accelerated drug review process known as subpart H that only applies to, quote, new drugs for serious or life threatening illness. And again, their logic, their sixth grade gotcha logic is, well, if pregnancy isn't an illness, then Mifepristone shouldn't have been approved at all. Clearly, pregnancy can bring if you want to get that into it, it clearly can bring about illness like preeclampsia or like postpartum depression and a myriad of other complications that go along with, yes,

maybe the condition of being pregnant. But again, this is something that the FDA uses very fluidly because they're not being stupid about it. They're like, yeah, that's something that's going on with your health and would need to be addressed. Therefore, we look at these drugs. But again, these hacks are using this like sixth grade logic to try and force like this very Christian view of like the sanctity and like the divinity of being pregnant. And the only person that's buying it apparently is the judge. And naturally, there's been all kinds of pushback on this ruling, which will again, will probably end up in front of

the Supreme Court. But one of the loudest voices has come from Big Pharma. Hey, our hero here on the Daily Zeitgeist. Okay, feminist heroes, Big Pharma, go on. What's going on there? You see, the problem with their whole thing is people fucking around with how the FDA approves new drugs is vital to them, their ability to make money. OK, so when you go around tooling around with that shit, they don't take kindly to it. So that's why they're very concerned with developments. They've said that this kind of judicial interference, quote, creates uncertainty for the entire biopharma industry. quote, creates uncertainty for the entire biopharma industry. Adding regulatory uncertainty to the already inherently risky work of discovering and developing new medicines will likely have the effect of reducing incentives for investment, endangering the innovation that characterizes

our industry. And I just think there's a lot of irony here because the last couple of years, the pharmaceutical industry has shifted their adoration onto the GOP when they saw that Joe Biden was going into office. And there was the possibility of like a all three, like the whole thing being locked down by Biden. And they're like, they'd want to lower drug costs. So they're like, all right, give it to the Republicans. At least they know what to do about this kind of shit but it's beginning to boomerang in the fact that they didn't realize that these senators that they're making it rain on are just going around and then confirming judges who are so like anti-choice that it's turning into yeah well drugs are bad too right and now they're in a bit of a like ah then maybe we need to be more i guess just we do our due diligence when we throw

piles of cash at senators and political parties. I feel like they're going to be big fans of the no labels party, you know. Pretty soon. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, again, like, you know, without their money and like in the midterms, who knows what would have happened in like 2018 if maybe the the senate balance could have changed even then but they've been at it for a minute sort of seeing that like okay democrats talk out loud about drug prices and we don't like that so even if they never get around to it the better bet is the

people who are never talking about or drug prices at least with the same kind of energy that democrats would on the campaign trail yeah this is the whole genre of news story of people fucking around with the GOP and finding out that it's not great. Yeah, the leopards ate my face. It's like the shorthand for that. They're like, what? My pet leopard ate my face. No way. Yeah. What did you think? But again, like, I think it goes to show how maybe like even from the unthink like, you know, the not very analytical, after things like medical contraception and shit like that. Right. And that is absolutely, you know, something that they're all like, we make a lot of cash on that because this is a very widely used drug. And so please don't be confused. They're not here.

They're not they're not caping for this drug because they believe it's a person's choice. It's just that this this could fuck up business pretty bad for them. Fuck up the money but i don't again i'm not i'm not also sure that this would fuck up the relationship between big pharma and the republicans either i think they're just gonna be like hey hey hey we gotta talk before you guys confirm these people because we don't like this we don't like what happened to put their boot on this guy someone some behind the scenes in some way i'm sure yeah yeah all right well pain lindsey pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist where can people find some behind the scenes in some way, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, Payne Lindsey, pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist.

Thank you. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? You can follow the new show, High Strange, wherever you get your podcasts, TikTok, Instagram, at High Strange. And you can follow me, TikTok, Instagram, at Payne Lindsey. Nice. And is there a tweet or work of media that you've been enjoying? So I picked this one that I had saved recently.

It's Donald Glover's GQ cover video. They do like a little 30 second like video on Instagram of like a, you know, I guess behind the scenes of his GQ shoot. He just looks so damn cool. Like he's walking around picking oranges, you know, lush green, you know, trees everywhere.

Like this dapper hipster farmer dude from the seventies with gold chains and sitting on a horse with no saddle. It's like, damn, this guy's fucking cool. I've watched that a few times and tried to... Life goals? Here's where I should get my next outfit from. Yeah, you need a nice

orange beanie, you know what I mean? Like he's rocking in that video. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at milesofgray. Find Jack and I talking about the NBA on our basketball podcast. Miles and Jack got mad boosties. It's, I'm not joking.

I bit my nails off during that Lakers game. And it's so funny because we were just talking on mad boosties. I was going in full chest confidence, even though the game hadn't been played i'm like it'll it'll be all right i don't have to re-record this and i went in with my full chest saying the lakers never really seemed to win in the big games where you're like they're gonna they're gonna beat these guys by 30 that never seems to happen no they beat them by like six barely in overtime but anyway uh you find us there also find me on 420 day fiance with sophia alexandra and uh i don't i don't have a tweet that i've i've i've not i've i've not crossed paths with a tweet that i'm enjoying recently so

i'm i'm again abstaining from mentioning something i haven't haven't been doing my my putting in a shift on twitter these days yeah it seems like a lot of people are fleeing twitter like it's not again it's it's to do with like my kid being born and going like for fucking six weeks straight or like twitter was the last thing on my fucking mind yeah that like it kind of you know it's like it's sort of like what they say about like when you eat stuff, like your body wants what's in your blood. You know what I mean? Like that to you. So when I I don't know, like I just I guess I weaned off Twitter to the point where like I barely look at it now.

But also I miss out on some of the funny tweets. But now I just look at this little boy smile. That's my tweet. You need to get your fucking priority straight, man. I know. I know. Unacceptable. I know. I know. Unacceptable. I know.

I know. My notifications are a mess right now. Tweet I've been enjoying. This is what you're missing out on, Miles. Okay, good, good, good. John Hendren at Fart tweeted, imagining a reality where you get a little military pin every time you have insane diarrhea and then showing up to parties decorated like Muammar Gaddafi.

So you could be experiencing that level of commentary ah i needed that oh my god you would think i was fucking yeah oh my god i would love to see what kind of ribbons you would have seen on my on my uniform the whole salad yeah right you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We'll link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

as well as a song we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, what's a song that you think people might enjoy? Oh, man. I just think it's so funny. Just valor. Just diarrhea-based valor awards. I would be the Audie Murphy of diarrhea-based fucking awards for my World War II bust. Someone with really good digestive health, but they have stolen valor.

They're like, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. I would be like, yo, this guy don't have diarrhea. And they're like no no i yeah yeah i'll be like yo this guy don't have diarrhea and they're like boo all right um what's my what's the song that i want to go out on uh you know what i was actually just i was listening to the police uh also unfortunately a cab does include the band the police they do yeah um but an official ruling. Yeah, I think we know that. But, man, I was just listening to Bring On The Night,

and Andy Summers' guitar playing in that is, like, it's hypnotic to me. Like, it's one of those police songs. Yeah, people like it. But his, like, before it gets to the reggae part, the way he's finger-picking, I love that. Andy Summers, a fantastic guitar player. Stuart Copeland, fantastic drummer and singer. We already know he's getting 5K a day from Puff Daddy. But yeah, so I'm taking it back, y'all. This is Bring on the Night by The Police. Wow. All right. We'll link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning. Back this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk to you all then. Bye. Bye.

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