The Daily Zeitgeist - Ayo For Diet Yayo, New Slaves 8.22.18

Episode Date: August 22, 2018

In episode 217, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Jackie Rae Aubel to discuss Michael Cohen taking a plea deal, highlights from the MTV Video Music Awards, Trump's addiction to Diet Coke, QAnon supporters wanting to sue the mainstream media, ICE's true plan to strip immigrants of their citizenship, prisoners on strike for unpaid labor and poor prison conditions, Microsoft accusing Russians of attempting to hack right-wing think tanks, and more! FOOTNOTES:1. Trump’s Former Fixer, Michael Cohen, Reaches a Plea Agreement Over Payments to Women2. Body found in search for missing Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts, authorities say3. MTV VMAs 2018: The 15 Best and Worst Moments4. MTV VMAs: Madonna responds to 'self-indulgent' Aretha tribute5. VMAs: Kevin Hart faces boycott threats from Trump supporters after 'kneeling' jab6. The President Suffers From a Diet Coke Addiction, Owns 2 Guns and More Wackiness From Omarosa’s Book7. INSIDE TRUMP’S HOUR-BY-HOUR BATTLE FOR SELF-PRESERVATION8. Donald Trump Shouting ‘Get Me A Coke’ On Cohen Tape Sets Twitter Alight9. A Brief History of Donald Trump's Love Affair With Coca-Cola10. Diet Sodas Tied to Dementia and Stroke11. Reported link between diet drinks and dementia and stroke is weak12. President Trump Reportedly Drinks 12 Diet Cokes a Day. Here’s What That Does to Your Body13. QAnon Geniuses Ready To Sue 'The MSM' For Making Them Look Stupid :(14. Denaturalization, explained: how Trump can strip immigrants of their citizenship15. A Nazi War Crimes Suspect Has Been Deported From the U.S. to Germany16. Prisoners Launch National 19-Day Strike to Protest Unpaid Labor and Poor Prison Conditions17. Microsoft thwarts Russian attempts to hack right-wing US think-tanks18. WATCH: Onra - Secretly [Nobody Has To Know] Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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dot com slash goodtaste. I promise your taste buds will be happy you did. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 45, Episode 3 of The Daily Zeitgeist. For Wednesday, August 22nd, 2018, my name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Touch me on me back, she say, I'm Mr. O'Brien. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Miles with the miles, the gray, the gray, diggy, diggy. The daily, since I geist the daily. My name is Gray.

Anyway, that is from Noel Berlage, N Berlage, at N Berlage on Twitter. I think that one is from Kid Rock. Yeah. Am I right? I think you might be. Okay, great. Let's start this off right. I can't find the name of the person who gave me that,

and I don't think they'd want me to shout them out because of my rendition. I am no Shaggy. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the very funny writer, comedian, producer, and co-host of the Guilty Pleasure podcast. Please welcome Jackie Ray Abel. Thanks, guys. Thanks so much for having me. I'm so psyched to be here. Thank you for appearing before us.

Oh, no problem. Anytime. Yes. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. But first, we're going to tell our listeners what they're in store for. We've got breaking news that Cohen flipped Trump's body man for 20 years. We're not really going to talk too much about it because we just know that he flipped. We don't know too many details, but yeah, that's happening. He's cooperating.

We're going to check in with the VMAs, see how that went, find out why they should have made me feel older than they did. They didn't make me feel that old. We're going to talk about Trump's Coke problem. We are going to talk about the QAnon cult and how they're not really dealing very well. Well, they are. They got a plan. Right. They got a plan to right this wrong.

We're going to talk about Russia attempting to hack right-wing think tanks and Microsoft coming out with that news. We're going to talk about ICE deporting actual Nazis. Attica, the sequel. But first, Jackie, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Oh, sure. So last week I was at an event at the Ace Hotel in downtown L.A. Have you guys ever been to any of these old Broadway theaters in downtown L.A.?

I've been to the Ace. The Ace. So it's super cool. It's like really like gothic and like really cool. There's cool architecture. It's really fun. Put on my Instagram stories, hashtag architecture porn. My story got like thousands of views.

Wow. So hyped. But the minute I was there, I was like, okay, this place has got to be haunted. Like there is a ghost somewhere around here. Everywhere in downtown is haunted. So throughout the entire event, I was Googling Ace Hotel haunted, Ace Theater haunted. Could not find anything. Really?

Surprisingly not haunted. How do you know? I Googled for a solid- Yeah, but you Googled, but what did your ghost hunting intuition tell you when you were in the space? Honestly, the devices that I take with me all the time, those two, the EFP, the twing, the big tweezers. You have one right now. You were just dragging them over, me and Miles. I kept insisting we were ghosts.

Exactly. But you guys, I checked out. I actually got through a wall, and then you guys were solid. So your story checks out. You're actually physical human beings. I don't know. I felt like it was haunted, and I feel like there hasn't been accurate reporting done on the hauntedness of the Ace Theater slash hotel.

So that was one thing from my search history. There are haunted hotels downtown though, right? That people- Oh, yeah. Yes, there's one where there was a woman's body who was found in the water tank after like two weeks or something. Yeah.

That was wild too. Wasn't that where they had footage of her like wandering around too? Like she got off the elevator. Turned out it was bipolar disorder is what they think happened. She's just, you know, mentally ill. So it wasn't as crazy as it looked at first. We researched this back in the day at Cracked, but it's still a weird story because they

don't totally know how she got into the water. Exactly, Jack. So is it that cut and dry? So maybe not. But yeah, the footage is eerie at first because she's like jumps on the elevator and is like looking out like someone's following her. Right. Yeah. So I don't know.

And who knows? Maybe mentally ill people are more in touch with ghosts than the rest of us. I think, you know, maybe if not ghosts, there are also many bed bugs downtown. Right. So I would consider those a form of ghost. Oh, for sure. Because they will follow you home and ruin your home.

The cockroaches downtown are vicious. Yeah, they are. One actually learned how to use a knife and robbed me of a knife point. That's why I only have one shoe on today. You were not speaking from personal experience on the bedbug thing, just for the sake of your property value, right? No. Yes, you're right. I do not have bed bugs. And you have not been fighting that problem for the last six months.

No, no. I wear this hefty bag around my body just as a sweatsuit going to the beach soon. Yeah. And all those spots of blood that appear on your clothing, nothing to do with bed bugs. I'm just doing like a Yayoi Kusama sort of type of paint experiment art piece, yes, on your clothing. Nothing to do with bed bugs. I'm just doing like a Yayoi Kusama sort of type of paint experiment art piece. Yes, on my body. We could all tell. Jackie, what is something you think is underrated? Underrated?

Being vulnerable. Ooh. I like that. Yeah, I think that people should be more vulnerable when they're feeling scared or anxious and be like, I need a hug. I think we're so focused on putting on this hard exterior, tough exterior that we don't need anyone's help.

And I think that the world would be a better place if we all just admitted when we did need some help. Yeah. But what if you're like me and you just don't need help from anyone because you're always just totally cool. The best at everything. Yeah, the best at everything. Knows everything.

That's a really interesting point because I've never been wrong so in that way that's well no i think i i don't want to talk over your point though because it is such a good point i do think like america in particular in the western cultures in particular a lot of the diseases that we suffer from like addiction and depression and all these different things are specifically diseases that like cultures where people are more socially integrated don't struggle with as much because they're all about like kind of closing up and like keeping secrets from people and not like you know integrating with the people around you not

being able to ask for help not like yeah oh definitely and i think it prevents us from like getting into deeper relationships because we're always trying to put on this front that we are actually way more cool or we're acting what we think is cool than we actually are right sometimes we don't need to be right we just need to be loved yeah yeah and we can just say i don't even need to win this argument what i think i just need is a hug and in the case of you two which you guys are never wrong right just being vulnerable will make people more comfortable around you exactly and you know that's why i still haven't sold my moviePass stock because the truth will emerge. We're going to be so rich, man.

Oh, dude, get ready. I've already picked out the Lambo I want. And bought it. And bought it. It's a bookmarks tab, things to buy with MoviePass stock. That's why I'm parking it here at work so it's not attached to the registration address. Anyway, but, yeah, we're doing fine. Hey, would you rather be right or would you rather be happy?

Can't pick both. Got to be one or the other. Happy. Am I right? Welcome to my self-help group. What is something, Jackie, that you think is overrated? Oh, the Korean face masks, the sheet masks. Oh, the scary ones.

The sheet masks. Yeah. It just feels like there's a wet paper towel on my face. Yeah. It doesn't stay, and it wet paper towel on my face. Yeah. It doesn't stay, and it kind of makes my face sting a little bit, and I just don't think they do what they're promising that they do. What's your secret? You have very clear skin.

You have nice skin. What are you doing? Mayonnaise? Oh, mayonnaise. Mayonnaise baths for an hour. I fill up my tub with mayonnaise, and I just roll around in it, and I stay in there for a whole hour. No, I do a bunch of skincare that's all for preventing wrinkles.

So for you, it's just more that it seems more like it's popular just because of like the visuals of wearing the mask than like the actual benefits in terms of a dermatological sense. Yes. And also this may very well be wrong, but I think they're way too cheap to be effective. Like you can get them at Rite Aid for like $2.99 and it's like that's not going to do anything for my face like i need the skin mask but it's royal jelly yeah we do need a slasher film made with somebody who's wearing one of those it wouldn't work because the mask would fall off the entire time that would be part of their magical power is that it just stays on somehow that's what's so scary it's like wait how are you keeping that on your face

as they like lean over you to kill you? That's a great pitch. Yeah, thank you. What do you want to call it? Korean beauty mask killer. But my wife wears those and it is the most scared I've ever been like by someone just like you look up

and like she doesn't like tell me when she's about to put one on so I just turn around. It's really scary. People should Google image search it. You're just suddenly faced by something. It's like a blank mask, like a totally blank. Right, there's no face.

No face, like unexpressive. It's got like a Michael Myers vibe. Sure. Yeah, because it doesn't, unlike other face masks, if you put them on like the cream ones, it gets the contours of your face. Right. You can see the face behind that.

Right. But the Korean skincare mask. It's just a big circle with eyes, nose, and mouth holes. I'm surprised people haven't tried to rob banks with them yet. They should. Yeah. In our remake of Point Break, that will be what we wear. But it's the graphic ones that, I'll be the panda face.

Right. And you can be the like Shogun helmet. I think they should just all have some graphic on them to make them less scary. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. I haven't seen the graphic ones. But if we do that then they'll know when they look for the suspects, they're like they're going to have impossibly flawless skin.

Right. The proof is in the pudding. Jackie, what is a myth? What's something people think is true that you know to be false? This is going to be, I do know this to be false and I know a lot of people aren't gonna believe me when I say this but um that Facebook isn't listening to you through your phone microphone and I know this to be true they are you know they are I know they're not you know they're not I know they're not and a lot of my knowledge comes from this one podcast that I like a lot called reply all

on gimlet media oh yeah um but also I I do like social media for like brands and entertainment stuff as well. And I just have access into the Facebook page and demographics world and like all of Facebook's tricks. So like if you're hanging out with your friend and you're talking about like, I don't know, Blue Apron. And then you're like, I never Googled it. And then I went on Facebook and I got an ad for Blue Apron. And then you're like, I never Googled it. And then I went on Facebook and I got an ad for Blue Apron. And then you like freak out about it. It could be because you're friends with that friend that you talked about it with. And Facebook saw that the two of you guys were together and they were just Googling

Blue Apron. So like Facebook is serving you up an ad because they saw that you were like geotagged with your friend. Does that make sense? Yeah, no, that totally makes sense. I mean, when I notice it, it's usually on Instagram. And it's like within minutes of me actually being on a page for said service or product or something where I'll look at a travel site or something. And then suddenly it shows up in my Instagram feed.

You got to clear your cash. You got to clear your cookies. Well, you know, sometimes it helps remind me. I'm like, oh, shit, I was interested in a lawnmower. I don't mind a cookie. Yeah, because exactly. Like sometimes a jumpsuit I like will like follow me on the internet. And I'm like, you know what?

I really want that jumpsuit. And that's fine because now I get a little treat. But I mean, just clear your cache and, you know. Clear your cache, keep it moving. Yeah, keep it moving. That's interesting, though, because it suggests that like Facebook has access to how ideas move in like groups. Like you know how when you hear a word for the first time and then suddenly you hear it like three more times in the next couple of days?

Does that happen to anybody else? Like impotent? Yeah, exactly. Like I had never heard ED used all that much and then like suddenly. Erectile dysfunction? Right. And then suddenly I got to know Miles

and it was like all over the place. No, but it is. No, no, when you're talking about other people. I know. But I do wonder how much of that is just like social contagion and like ideas or like, you know, people like you and your group of friends are like suddenly getting onto an idea, even though you're not like hearing it from one another necessarily. Well, that's true. I think it's a lot that the algorithms serve you up stuff that your friends are also looking at. So they'll look to see at what rate are you interacting with this person.

And they also have data. Facebook has data from Facebook Messenger and Instagram. So like all that data goes together and they just, it's crazy. So Facebook is no less powerful than we thought. It's just not doing it the way that you thought. In a much more calculated way. It actually knows everything about what you are about to

think of tomorrow. It already knows that. It just knows it in a different way. And it doesn't have to listen to you. But it's also very funny that people complain about it listening to them and then they have like Amazon Echoes in their house. And I'm just like, um... Yeah. Amazon Echo was used their house. And I'm just like, um. Yeah, Amazon Echo was used in a murder trial

because people were talking about it and like the Amazon was listening and the police were able to just get those records. I think we should pull that Amazon Echo into your sheet mask murder pitch. There you go. Now we have a film. The most millennial weird thing. It's a fucking Amazon Echo wearing a sheet mask.

The killer's name is Alexa. Yeah. Alexa. Fantastic. All right, Zeitgang. I know the people with the Photoshop skills always do that.

Show me the Alexa wearing the sheet mask with a knife in hand. All right, guys. There's a couple of breaking news stories that are happening. Like we mentioned,

Cohen is apparently cooperating with the district attorney. So, I mean, this has been Trump's guy for years. He knows where the bodies are buried. We won't know necessarily what the implications are of this, other than that it's just probably very bad for the president. Well, let's just, we'll see what his Twitter looks like later today. And we'll know how, well, I mean, even last night he was like i can control the muller probe if i want you're like right who told you that is that what they're telling you to get you to shut up in the white house like you know don't worry uh mr president you can actually do whatever you want and they're like oh okay great yeah and then yeah he's pleading yeah

entered a plea deal for like all of his you know fraud that was coming through his taxi companies and things like that i'm over 20 million dollars fraud. So, you know, he'll plead guilty to that and we'll see where that goes. How the fuck? These guys just have, they're incompetent and they get so much money. It really makes white collar crime look very attractive to me.

Remember, like Dan Rather was just calling this crime. Right. Oh, sorry. No more white collar crime. Crime's a crime. Criminals are criminals. Right. It's just because they're doing like cool like rich white guy crime right you know i mean it's like yeah just steal money yeah but like without using guns or knives just shoddy paperwork but they're not very good at it you know because i think the system has been such where like it's like we don't worry about them let's focus on you know drug addicts and other people who we can really be like, oh, this guy's bad and get him away rather than people who are like just siphoning money out of, you know, banks or, you know, our tax structure, whatever, you know, take your pick.

I'm curious to see what Cohen flipping will actually do. I'm like at this point right now with the president where I'm like, I don't think anything matters. No, I think everyone kind of is. I think I'm in the same boat. I was like, I'll believe it when I see it. In the beginning, I remember the presidency, I was like, man, thank God. Oh, he's fucked. Oh, man, you're going down now.

No. I mean, again, unless part of his cooperation with Robert Mueller is something where he's like, okay, here's this thing that you need that puts it all together. But it just seems so just like, I'm not able to grasp it, you know? And it's like kind of like just trying to hold onto smoke. I don't know what's gonna happen.

And it makes me scared. I'm being vulnerable. Well, you know, as long as if, hey, look, if the Democrats can take the House, my goodness, if they could take the Senate too in November, that definitely, that actually bolsters the check on his power a lot more than it used to

be. Right. That's true. But I think you're right that people assume that Cohen is, actually knows where literal bodies are buried and there's going to be this big reveal of a secret that gets Trump and, you know, Columbo style. It's the end of the Matlock episode. One more thing. Yeah. Trump is going to get fingered for like a thing that we didn't know about. And it's like, no, he's committing all the crimes out in the open, guys. It's just he's going to confirm what we already know. And then it'll be a technicality of whether they're able to blame him for it or not. Yeah.

The other breaking news story, which is very sad, obviously, is that the body of that Iowa jogger was found in Iowa. And we don't know much about it. But that is the number one trending search on Google. So, you know, as a reporter on the zeitgeist, that is something that is in the zeitgeist. And having Googled it for you, there's not much that we know about it. What happened? I'm not familiar with this at all. She just disappeared and we don't know anything, really. And I think that's why it's such a kind of intriguing story to people is that, you know, she was just a random college student, went for a jog, disappeared. And it seems like everybody around her is just as confused as you would be if it happened to anyone you know. And then moving on to the VMAs, which everyone was talking about yesterday. So these happened. I was watching them out of the corner of my eye.

That's essentially my report. These happened. Great, moving on. So I felt like I was going in being like, all right, this is going to make me feel very old. It did not. The Backstreet Boys showed up during the pre-show. What?

J-Lo performed for approximately 45 minutes because she was receiving a Video Vanguard Award. And then she gave a speech for what seemed like a half hour where she was just pointing to people in the audience and being like, Dave, stand up. Dave, you always believed in me. Thank you. Steve, you always believed in me. Thank you. Steve, you always believed in me. Thank you, Steve.

It was Dave. It was Steve. That's the thing. Tell them, Steve, Dave. It was like industry people that I'm sure you might have heard of, but me as somebody who doesn't really pay attention. Oh, Dave. Right, Dave, Dave. I'm in the industry, so yes. Dave, Dave. You are in the industry. There's only one Dave.

Let's be real. There was a moment where it seemed like it might be like they teased this Post Malone performance of Rockstar. And it started out like a performance of that song. And then suddenly they were like, and now please welcome Aerosmith. And Aerosmith came in and started playing Dream On. And Post Malone just like played guitar in the background while Aerosmith came in and started playing Dream On and Post Malone just like played guitar in the background while Aerosmith played Dream On. So it was almost like Aerosmith performed yesterday? Aerosmith performed, yeah.

As like the big moment of the thing. Like because remember there was that Super Bowl show where Aerosmith came in and like did Walk This Way. Your face right now. What the fuck is Aerosmith? Yeah. Yo, get the fuck out of here, Aerosmith. I know.

But that and Post Malone was- Hold on. Like really amazed. Wait, I can't handle this. Fucking Aerosmith? Yes. Wow, I thought it was a joke. It was like, yeah, Backstreet Boys, J-Lo,

fucking Aerosmith. I mean, no shit. I mean, you know, Aerosmith is cool or whatever, but like, yo, the VMAs, are we, I don't understand. They did like two minutes of the song that people like right now, and then we're like, and now Aerosmith, ladies and gentlemen. Which, it's interesting because a lot of people say that the reason that nobody buys tickets for new artists and everybody, like still the best-selling artists when they go on tours or like the Rolling Stones and all these old artists that were around during the 80s is

because MTV stopped playing music a certain amount of time ago and it's like all the artists who were around back when people watch music videos and were like identifying with artists and like could like identify a face with a name or right right right that that is when mtv and the music industry had the power to get people out to shows so maybe this is mtv sort of acknowledging like yeah we don't really have anything new that we like or that like we we think people are gonna like so that's true because i don't know what anybody fucking looks like anymore i just know like with rappers i'm like which face tattoo guy right so yeah they they clearly are not confident in new music because they just kept throwing out all these people from back in the day and the climax of that was when madonna came out to it was presented like a tribute to Aretha Franklin. There was a big photograph in the background

projected of Aretha Franklin. Madonna walked out looking like she had a bunch of stuff from the movie District 9 glued to her face and torso. It was like a very, it looked like she, yeah, was about to do some sort of religious ritual from the world, from the universe of that movie. like she was about to do some sort of religious ritual from the world, from the universe of that movie. Yeah, very shaman-esque, like trash shaman,

like literal garbage shaman, like she went and created a shaman's outfit out of a garbage shaman. I think, yeah, it was very Moroccan vibe. Yeah, it was interesting. And I was a little bit like, really? That's a wave, I guess. Yeah, I was fine with it.

She's Madonna. She does her thing. So then she got up and told a story that tangentially related to Aretha Franklin. Basically, the story was nobody believed in her, Madonna, and then she went to try out for a bunch of things and people wouldn't give her a job. She moved from Detroit, which is where Aretha Franklin's also from. So that was not. Oh, OK. Right.

That or Motown, you know. And then at one of her tryouts where she didn't get a thing, she sang Natural Woman. OK. By Aretha Franklin. She didn't get a call back from that. But the French producer who was there later called her and told her she wasn't right for the part,

but that they wanted to make her into a star. And this anecdote, by the way, allowed her to show off her killer French accent. Like this was clearly a famous person who's been famous for so long that whatever she says, people are just like, that's fascinating. So she's just telling this like aimless fucking story that has no point and she didn't test it

out tangentially so she literally says at the end so why am i telling you this rambling story because if aretha franklin hadn't been you know a small basically arbitrary part of my story i technically might not have been there, although probably I would have just sung a different song. And who can imagine a world without me? Madonna. And then she closed it out by talking about how her first performance of Like a Virgin was at the VMAs.

And somebody, again, told her, like, you'll never work in this town again. And enough said. Am I right? And in that way, she honors Aretha. Right, exactly. It was like, what the fuck? She like A to M'd that.

It was just like, it had to be about Madonna for most of it. And then Aretha Franklin was trying to get in there, but she couldn't stop talking about Madonna for long enough. And that's like what I expect of Madonnaonna so it was at least a memorable moment a lot a lot of the show was just people in sparkly shit just you know doing musical numbers what madonna then later tried to like defend it i guess i read she's like i really wasn't trying to do a tribute she's like they sent me out there and just asked me to do an anecdote of anything I had. And she's like, that's what I had. So, I mean, in that sense, I can see why it sounded like that.

But also MTV. Yo, what are you fucking doing? Put a proper tribute together. Don't be like, oh, sorry, Madge. You got like a tight 90 on Ritha you can do? Yes. Well, that just goes that you don't care about music anymore. Yeah.

Right. I mean, and also, has Madonna heard herself sing? She thought she could finesse Natural Woman in an audition? Yeah. Ooh! That is some confidence. I had no idea the VMAs were the other night. Yeah, they were. I had no idea, but I'm very happy to hear that Cardi B

won Best New Artist. Yeah, she did. And she opened the show by it looked like she was coming out there and going to breastfeed on camera, but actually she was holding a VMA award where the baby was. Oh, and did she breastfeed the award? No, she didn't.

Oh, the moon man was left starving. It was a real tease. But Kevin Hart, you clearly do not pay attention to the right-wing media sphere then, Jackie, because Kevin Hart said a really benign joke You clearly do not pay attention to the right wing media sphere then, Jackie. Oh, I'm so sorry. Kevin Hart said a really benign joke about the president and right wing media lost their shit. What did he say?

He said that people at the VMAs like run off to the bathroom and angry tweet. And it's just like being in the White House in your face. Trump, suck it. That's the joke? That was the joke. And right-wing media lost it. And they were, it's still on drudge, comedian kicks off MTV awards by taunting president.

Quote, in your face, Trump, suck it. My heart. I think the right-wing is just used to, they're not relevant, but they pay attention to what is relevant. And they're like, well, the MTV VMAs, like that's a thing that people care about. How do I make myself a victim of this?

Right. And then they just find a way to, you know, they remember when Kanye came out and did the, I'm gonna let you finish thing. And that, that angered conservative white people very much because he was mean to Taylor Swift. Well, they wouldn't like Aretha Franklin too. Did you see that clip that was going around the weekend where someone was interviewing her and they're like, Aretha, tell

us your thoughts on Adele. She's like, powerful singer, great voice. And like this, Alicia Keys, she's like, great piano player, great singer, blah, blah, blah. Taylor Swift, beautiful gowns. Wonderful gowns. And then just moved on. She's like, okay, shade queen. Oh, damn. Beautiful gowns. Beautiful gowns And then just moved on He's like okay shade queen

Oh damn Beautiful gowns Yeah so the right wing was very Triggered by that They had a graphic with Kevin Hart's face And it said heart attack I don't even know what it was It was the most benign

Like inoffensive thing I've ever seen so they were just ready for anything. Anything. That's what they're ready for. They're just ready to be offended. Yes. Bunch of snowflakes. Yeah, they've become the friends you can't take out.

Because something, they're going to complain about something even has nothing to do with them. Like, I'll be inconsistent with my outreach. But I have to be in a permanent state of outrage. I wonder if it's a strategy to just keep them relevant and top of mind, right? Well, yeah, and it's also to keep making sure that the people who are aligned with their thinking understand what the sides are every time. They're like, he said this, and we're not that side.

So we, remember, guys, circle the wagons because Kevin Hart said something relevant and said, suck it. You know what I mean? And that's how their viewers can be like, that's, oh, okay, because I saw relevant and said, suck it. You know what I mean? And that's how their viewers can be like, that's, oh, okay. Because I saw that and laughed. But I'm getting my cue from this show. Okay, we're on a different side.

We're on a different side. Oh, my gosh. He will not suck it, Kevin Hart. You suck it. Also, Jackie, you pointed out that Pete Davidson looks like Steve Buscemi. And now I can't think of anything else. He does look like Steve Buscemi. I feel bad for saying. I'm i'm shipping that relationship i don't want to i do not steve

buscemi and ariana grande i think it's about time when will she wake up uh all right we're gonna take a quick break we'll be right back it was december 2019 when the story blew up. In Green Bay, Wisconsin, former Packers star Kabir Bajabiamila caught up in a bizarre situation. KGB explaining what he believes led to the arrest of his friends at a children's Christmas play. A family man, former NFL player, devout Christian, now cut off from his family and connected to a strange arrest. I am going to share my journey of how I went from Christianity to now a Hebrew Israelite. I got swept up in Kabir's journey, but this was only the beginning. In a story about faith and football, the search for meaning away from the gridiron and the consequences for everyone

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is that a lot of us are actually looking for a way to disagree and still be in a relationship with each other. All that on the Happiness Lab. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. And we're back. And we wanted to talk about the president's coke problem. Oh. Oh.

I can smell it through the bag. I can smell it through the bag. Oof. Oh, what are we talking about? We're talking about the president having a dependency on Diet Coke. All that aspartame. Yes, all that aspartame. We've talked before about how- I should rewrite some of my jokes for this.

I think we talked even yesterday about how a lot of the artificial sweetener panic that happened in the 80s was because they were feeding, in order to take in the amount of artificial sweetener that they fed rats that gave them cancer, you would have to eat NutraSweet by the wheelbarrow full. So it's like, well, nobody would ever do that. Except DT. Except our president is doing that.

So Omarosa and her latest book, her latest. Her latest book. You probably read her first couple. I did. Her latest is about her time in the White House. And she talks about how she would put the average at eight cans a day for the last 15 years. she would put the average at eight cans a day for the last 15 years. In her time knowing him, she said he never does not have a Diet Coke in his hand,

which totals out to 43,800 cans of Diet Coke that he has poured into his body in that time. They say that your body completely replaces its cells every seven years. So he is mostly Diet Coke, I guess at this point. And then, well, again, it's 43,000 and you got 125 milligrams of aspartame in a can. So he's ingested about 13, 14 pounds of aspartame. Aspartame? Yeah. Could you imagine eating a 14 pound bag of aspartame? I can't imagine you just did math in your head like that. Yeah, well, you know, I hate to play into the stereotype, but I am good with a calculator.

That's ridiculous. Yeah. That's actually ridiculous. But I also kind of feel like LaCroix might be killing us too. Yeah. Well, what's in there really? Yeah, exactly. Aside from the problematic CEO.

Every time I reach for the can, I think of those pilots and I retreat. I didn't know LaCroix was problematic. No, well, the CEO is kind of a kooky guy. We did this story on him. He was feeling up the pilots on his private jet like a bunch of times. And he's a very odd person. But, you know, this isn't here or there. We're talking about the president.

It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Yeah, I don't like that. So do you think he has a diet can of Coke and in lieu of coffee or something like that? Oh, yeah. I think it's only drinks. I think it's the only thing he drinks.

So no water. Literally the only liquid that he takes in. We've seen him drink water. Have we? Oh, yeah, that one time. Remember he held it like a fucking otter? But he didn't know how to hold it. Yeah, I remember that.

He was like, is this going to come apart in my hands? Oh, God. Also, he's just dehydrated. Yeah. Oh, for sure. He infamously does not do drugs or drink alcohol or something like that, right? Infamously. Infamously.

That's the thing he's most known for. Right. Unless a doctor prescribes, in which case all bets are off. We do know that he used to see, back in the 80s and 90s, used to see a doctor who was famous for prescribing Manhattan socialites just all the speed in the world. Oh, gotcha. That would make a lot of sense of his behavior also.

Although people are saying that even Diet Coke can contribute to dementia. There have been new studies that say that people who drink a lot of Diet Coke can contribute to dementia. There have been new studies that say that people who drink a lot of Diet Coke are more likely, like 5% more likely to suffer from dementia and have strokes. Yeah. I mean, but, you know, those medical studies are – it wasn't saying that there was like a cause and effect relationship, but when they observed that group. And what was the study sponsored by, like Diet Pepsi or something? I mean, I don't know about that. I think it was done like- It was actually the UK's National Health Service, which is owned by Pepsi.

The UK is owned by PepsiCo. By PepsiCo. Yeah. But I think, you know, but even then they're saying they're like, we're not trying to say that there's a cause and effect, but we noticed this relationship. I mean, who'd think that- The thing that struck out to me was that in the Omarosa thing, she was saying that she would have to go make the Diet Coke runs,

like go out to Sam's Club to stock the fridge. Now, if I'm not mistaken, you'd imagine that in the White House being the president, even for this asshole, they would be like, what do you need in the house to be livable? Because it's not a fucking Airbnb where they're like, hey, there's a loaf of bread in there. You can have that.

We'll have it helicoptered in from the Coke Corporation. In Atlanta. Right. Yeah, I don't know. That's why I was like, is that like a shade move to be like, yo, go get my Coke at Sam's Club? It's like, I work in the Oval Office. Or maybe he's just going through them so quickly

the staff can't keep up. We have him coming in on pallets. I don't understand. Is he just taking one sip and then throwing it away? Does he always have to have the new sip of a can? Oh, no, he has an IV drip that just means diet coke. Good lordy. So because that is how he consumes a lot of junk food, right?

Through IV? No, no. The throwing most of it away and just taking like one bite or he- I feel like, I don't know for how big he is. Pizza, I think he doesn't- He just eats the toppings. Eats the toppings. From one report we read.

Right. He only likes- He only eats the burger part of Big Macs. What he calls the good part. The good part. The good part. I don't eat the good part, which is the cheese and the fucking pepperoni. I can't stop getting that one image of him climbing up the airplane.

You know what I'm talking about? Where like his booty's popping, where like the wind is blowing. That's just in my mind right now. I was just talking about his side. That's why I'm like, that's a dude who respects the sacrifice made for all those burgers.

He's eaten those to completion, I feel like. So this brought up a question in my mind because he basically eats three Big Macs a day is the estimate, like on average. But he's not eating big macs a day is the estimate like on average but he's not eating mcdonald's every damn day is he he just eats a lot he eats it a lot and he can eat whatever the fuck he wants so but it may it raises the question if they're going to sam's club for diet coke they're just going to like an McDonald's, and it's three guys with earwigs and clearly Secret Service agents being like, we need five Big Macs.

These for you guys? Yeah. Yes. A teenager's probably making- Farting all over it. Yeah, farting all over it. That just seems like such a wild security risk to be taking. But no, his whole logic is they never know when I'm coming,

therefore they can't fuck with my thing, and that's how I stay safe. Oh. Yeah. That's always been the thing with him. He's such a germaphobe that he feels like, well, they'll never fuck me over at McDonald's. Or maybe Diet Coke is an anti-venom for most poisons.

Right. And he's just drinking it by the buttload because of that yeah kills the poisons it's so bad for you it actually kills all poisons but it also makes me think that he's definitely had like a sam's club like burger or hot dog or something like that just amarosa picking it up on the way out right right go back osco yeah give me a chicken bake but i mean at the same time he's sending people to pick up his mcdonald's like we don't know if he can trust those people to not be like this is for the president man or like you know and also those people probably hate him because

he's like so mean to everybody so i just have to think he's ingesting a lot of cum but that's oh yeah that's not through food also though. Also, pick a better burger. You're the freaking president. Yeah, right? Like, there's other options. Yeah, we're getting mad now because like, God damn it, McDonald's still? Right. Have like a fucking, I mean, have you had the Bubba's brand?

Frozen patties? Them shits cook all right for being frozen. Yeah. Maybe get some birch beer in there. Oh, yeah. Some like bougie ass soda. He probably, it's probably so disgusting because he's like a steak well done with fries

dude even at a restaurant. Yeah. So. Yeah. I was just listening to the last podcast on the left about the Iceman and like how he murdered people with poisons with, what's the one poison that smells like almonds?

Cyanide. And like it's, I don't know. It's just. Smells like almonds? That's horrible. I love the smell of almonds. Yeah, smells that smells like almonds? Cyanide. And like it's, I don't know. It's just. Smells like almonds? That's horrible. I love the smell of almonds. Yeah, smells and tastes like almonds. Oh, no.

I know. Oops. I just drank a whole bottle of almond flavor. Well. I don't know. It just seems like he's really opening himself up. And I don't know. And also, when he does die of a stroke or a heart attack,

there's going to be so many conspiracy theories. Because his followers tend to be the type of people who believe in quinoa, or QAnon, as it's pronounced in some circles. Oh, boy. So, Miles, they are up in arms, and they have a plan. I mean, we've talked about the QAnon conspiracy theory. If you are somehow one of these weirdos who missed that show, QAnon is this very sad conspiracy theory that covers many topics. But one of them is that there's someone with Q level security clearance who knows what's really going on with the deep state.

And a lot of that conspiracy has to do with the fact that Robert Mueller is actually not trying to bring Donald Trump down. It's that Donald Trump and Robert Mueller are working together to bring down Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and the pedophile sex rings that are out here. Oh, this was the Pizzagate thing, right? Well, this is before Pizzagate. So this is the newest thing. And it's starting at his rallies.

More and more people are showing up with QT shirts and, like, CNN interviewed him. We have an episode where, like, you could hear them basically like a journalist is walking them through their own ideas. And then they're kind of like, eh. Like a few people are kind of realizing how flimsy it is. But anyway, it's basically a security blanket for very scared Trumpers to be like, no, what is actually happening that is objectively does not look good for the president is actually a good thing. We just don't know because there's something going on behind the scenes that you have to read between the lines. Sure. So this is not one of the Trump supporter conspiracy theories where it's like, well,

we're never really going to know. It's one where it's like they it has a clear expiration date. It's like one of those cults where they're like and the world is going to end on this date and like two weeks and when it doesn't you're like well you were wrong because they think that once the muller investigation is over it's going to be revealed that he was working with trump the whole time which is why some people think that the whole q anon conspiracy was a left wing like troll. Like, fuck you. Yeah.

I mean, it would be brilliant. It really was. I mean, it will be because we are going to eventually find out that Mueller was not secretly working with Trump to uncover a bunch of pedophiles. Quite the opposite. So this is like these people, as much as it's possible to feel sympathy for people, they are going to be proven wrong very publicly. And they're already like, oh God, man, I really need this to be true. Yeah, so on 8chan,

which is one of the internet's greatest message boards. 8chan, not 4chan? Yeah, this is a whole other, yeah. Turn it up by two. Anyway, on 8chan, there's some QAnon people talking and one person began this discussion about a lawsuit against the mainstream media because they're making us look stupid, basically, is what their argument. So I just want to read some choice posts on this message board.

Wanked pulled some of these, and they are hilarious. So the first one says, and I'm quoting verbatim. Here we go. When this is all done, can we get a class action lawsuit going against the MSM for wrecking all our families? No joke. The amount of division and pain

the mainstream media has caused is incalculable. Just got accused by my 67-year-old mother for spewing lies and aligning to a hateful ideology. Truth bombed her about Manfort being exonerated eight years ago by Rosenstein. Truth bombed her about Manfort being exonerated eight years ago by Rosenstein. Truth bombed her about Operation Mockingbird. Truth bombed her about Olga Deripaska, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, goes on. She then has the audacity to call them lies but can't provide evidence. Just turns on me and tries to make me think I'm irrational. I'm serious. The MSM,

they're responsible for this shit. How many families have been fighting for the past two years? Breakups, divorces, fire, distressed families and ex-friends. God damn the mainstream media. I can't wait anymore. Let's just sue them now. So you know what? He's being vulnerable. Yeah, I guess so. That's true. Yeah, he is being vulnerable in a way. Right. But not being vulnerable. But he still has to be right. And he's still putting up the thing where he can't just own. He's like he's not being vulnerable in the way that he can be honest himself like look i'm was very desperate to not believe this and i'm uh i feel really bad right now because i don't know what to do it's no fuck the mainstream it's not me it's the mainstream right is what this is this whole conspiracy

theory is built out of an inability to show vulnerability they're just unwilling to be wrong about anything and so they were Trump supporters. It's either that Trump is guilty or there is a massive like the sting style operation that is going on where Trump is like playing the mainstream media and they cannot show vulnerability about Trump being wrong. So they have constructed this giant conspiracy theory based on a guy who just tweets stuff like the storm is coming. And they're like, see, that means like they. Well, that was when Trump said that in front of a bunch of military families. Right. That they were like, oh, what is he talking about?

Right. What's he talking about? Anyway, so let me read a couple more. Please. Because then the whole crew jumps in to be like, let me regale you with tales of emotional trauma because of my belief in QAnon. There's another one. I'm sleeping on the couch again tonight because I had a flare up. I hope this turns out to be truer than true.

My wife wants to divorce me soon, possibly because she thinks I'm in a cult group for reading this stuff. It sucks. I'm do sick over it. Typo. Okay. What about this one? Goodness. Yes, I agree with you. I don't know what everybody's going through entirely, but what I've been through has really changed my life. I've lost friends, been accused of all kinds of things, and almost had my girlfriend turn against me during Gamergate. She read the wiki on it and thought I was some kind of Nazi for being pro-Gamergate. We have been abused, criticized, shamed, misrepresented, and we kept turning to the liberals,

while the liberals, commie liberals, I'm not saying the caring classical woke liberals, certainly seemed like the enemy. The real enemy is, was the elite and mainstream media. Another person, same story here. I don't really talk to my 70 year old parent-in-laws anymore. Even my college educated younger brother and his wife, because all they watch is MSNBC, CNN, and NPR. And they've learned only to hate a straw man of me. I can't talk to them about anything at all. Recently, Pops made some delusional comment about Trump being a crony capitalist giving kickbacks to his buddies in the prison industry. I was tired of the insanity and

spoke up saying Trump is actually working to break up all that sort of thing and have prison reforms. This guy got emotionally upset with me for even hinting at a defense of Trump's character. If only they knew what was going on here. Oh my God. So, yeah. So many thoughts. Those people, they're so hurt. That makes me sad.

It really makes me sad. Well, right, because they're really grasping onto this thing of like, everything I thought is a lie, but now they just have to see, well, reality has to be a lie then. Yeah. But this goes back to if Trump died tomorrow, if Trump got like resigned from office tomorrow,

these people are not going to accept it. They're not going to be like they have way too much tied up in this. So the only way it could be is if Trump, which will never happen, made a public address and said, I did commit these things. I am going to resign my presidency because of these acts that I took.

I should not be president of the United States. No, but even if he said that, they would spin it into, no, he's being forced to say that. It's a deep fake. Yeah, they would say

all of those things. It's just so sad. Ugh. But yeah, I guess just in general, the lack of self-awareness and being able to own up to like yeah look maybe you really did think Trump was gonna bring jobs back to where you were or somehow address your condition you're in with bills with medical care or whatever and it didn't happen

and now you're starting to see that all these things are coming out that would indicate to most people that him being president isn't a good thing. But if you can't accept that, then you just have to go on to, well, I need something else to keep me feeling. What are the five stages of loss, of mourning? This is like the denial stage, the QAnon people. So next is like bargaining and then depression.

Yeah, but that's when people are unable, like if you had a whole conspiracy that like a whole group of people who was like, yeah, no, you're right. Your husband isn't dead. And here's the conspiracy where he's like hiding over somewhere and he's doing it all to save the world. He's working with Jesus to put the devil in jail and then he will come back. Right. You would just never need to get through the denial stage. Yeah. And I feel like that's where we might be. It's the same shit

with people who go to like psychics to feel good about, you know, because, you know, a psychic will just tell you some shit that you're like, oh, okay, good. That's really what's going on.

And sure, I mean, on some level, people have intuition or whatever, but I think a lot of people need, sometimes they just need something outside of themselves to help explain away the bad shit that they're experiencing or feeling and like if your family's telling you hey this you're full of shit none of this is true wake the fuck up it's hard for someone to be like yeah you're right i was really fucking dumb there

wasn't i yeah that's just a thing that it's hard for people to say we've talked before like one of the most surprising things i've learned just in reading up on most of the people who believe all this shit and who are, you know, like the Roger Stones of the world who are still Trump supporters. One of their core beliefs is that Nixon got railroaded. The whole Watergate thing was Nixon being done wrong by the liberal mainstream media. So all this shit that they're now coming out and openly believing, the basis for that has been brewing in the conservative movement for years. It's just they haven't felt strong enough to come out and say it in public. So yeah, there's never going to be, these folks are never going to admit that they're wrong.

It doesn't seem like. Yeah, I agree. And I think it's just important to like recognize, come from an empathetic point of view whenever you like meet one of these people in the wild. Right. And just come from a place of like understanding and just not like shame them or try not to.

Yeah. I think, look, I think what we need to do is we should create a space for people to come see the light from Trump. And look, if you were once a supporter. Right. If you could realize you fucked up. I'm not saying, hey, you're canceled forever. Hey, I wore bondage pants for most of 2003.

I'm here now. I just got rid of my puka shell necklace. Did you really? Yeah. Wow. I've been wearing it under my... I'm disappointed that you got rid of it because it looked so cool on you, man. It was the one time I've been wrong. The one time. The one time. Still a bit on MoviePass. We're going to take a quick break to talk about what bondage pants exactly entails,

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And we're back. And this might give you a little clue as to when we're recording this but uh so the cohen story is evolving in real time and uh the new york times is now saying that he might be pleading guilty but he might not be cooperating so and now it's just coming in that Manafort has been found guilty on eight of the 18 charges that he was charged with. Ten of them are going to be called mistrials. So apparently there were 10 of the charges that the jury couldn't come to an agreement on, but that's still guilty on eight. And, you know, we don't know. So Cohen is pleading guilty. He may cooperate. There's also reports that he may not.

Or that his cooperation isn't even needed anymore. It has no value to the special counsel. So who knows where Michael Cohen is? He's shopped his wares around. He said, this is what I have. This is what I can give you. And they're like, no, we already got that. I already got that tape.

So it could be Mueller doesn't need him. It could be Mueller doesn't want to make it clear that he needs him as he's building his case out. We don't totally know. But the one thing that is remarkable is that these two close associates of the president, Cohen and Manafort, are both now officially card-carrying guilty-ass criminals. Yeah. Yeah. Credentialed criminals is what they would call them.

All right. We'll see. So ICE is in the news trying to get some of that good pub. Yeah. By deporting Nazis. Yeah. They got a legit Nazi who was a prison camp guard, which is objectively, yes, great. How old?

95 years old. Yep. Sending him back to Germany. And everyone's like, OK, wow, ICE finally did a good thing. But this is actually part of a much darker, bigger policy that ICE has been implementing, which is trying to denaturalize American citizens. And they've been going through like up to cases 30 years old to try and find a way of screwing people out of their actual citizenship. So there

have been cases of like, this is a version where denaturalization makes sense, like human rights violators, Nazis, war criminals. Sure, I probably shouldn't be an American citizen. But I mean, think of how many American citizens there are who are human rights. But anyway, that's a whole other thing. But so normally that's reserved for the worst kind of people. But now this is part of Trump's, you know, administration to create basically two classes of Americans. There's people who were born in the U.S. who are American citizens and then foreign born Americans who are now sort of like second class citizens who are left to basically live in fear of like, wait, are they really trying to just take away the citizenship? Like, you know, having the permanence of citizenship helps people feel, you know, secure and give you an identity and help you move on from whatever it is you're trying to leave. And so this is a very terrifying policy.

And like, you know, there are tales of people who, you know, like one woman was caught up in a fraud scheme, but cooperated like as a witness to bring the fraud thing down and like helped secure a conviction in this thing. And this would be before she applied for citizenship when she applied, everything was fine because she wasn't charged of a crime or anything like that. But I mean, she was going to be, but she avoided any kind of penalty for cooperating. So then ICE went back through and they're like, wait, you're named in this case. Oh, so you're a criminal and we're going to take away your citizenship. Someone who had been here for 27 years.

So this is like a thing where now they're trying to nitpick and find any way to take away someone's naturalized citizenship. And they're doing it under two circumstances. First is if they obtained their citizenship illegally, where they actually didn't meet the legal requirements and they lied or something like that. Or they just slipped through the cracks and managed to get a citizenship. The second is if they lied about or they concealed something during the application process that was actually relevant to their case. So if they say, oh, have you been charged with a crime or whatever, and you leave that blank, oh, what's going on here?

Even if it was something very small, they're now going back and combing through there to try and find any little way to try and take people's citizenship away. So it's just a very sad policy, and it's leaving these people just extremely vulnerable. And it's, again, another way we're moving the goalposts of what an american is it was first you know like if you aren't white enough that's not american and then you know that died down and now it's like well even if you're legally an american are you really though because you were foreign born and now let's look through there and maybe take away your citizenship just a shit policy and are these all people that have passed like the citizenship test yeah these are people who have who are like straight up american citizens who like studied and even though like i was born in the united states they like know more about

american history than i do surely yes exactly all right cool cool cool but yeah that's uh you know i think it's in line with the the terror on immigrant populations or people who have immigrated to this country but yeah i think it was just odd to see they're like, oh, ICE got this guy. It's like, well, you know, let's keep the think pieces up or the coverage up of people who are like being aggressively denaturalized. But also like, so they got a Nazi. He's 95. So how old was he when World War II was going on?

Like was he a teenager, like early 20s? Yeah. Was he like, do you think he was a high ranking Nazi? Do you think he was like someone who was? No, there was a guy who was pretty notorious that they deported like in 2009

who like was like, whoa. Oh, really? Zomg, Z-O-M-G, Nazi. But yeah, I mean, this person was like, you know, like wanted.

Right. Okay, okay. They put it together like, oh wait, that's okay. That's old man Jenkins down the street. Exactly. This seems like a part of the culture war where it together like, oh, wait, that's okay. That's old man Jenkins down the street. Exactly. This seems like a part of the culture war where it's like, oh, you're going to call ICE Nazis?

No, ICE is deporting Nazis. Yeah, right. Just a very straightforward. It's like a good optics thing, but under a policy that is very fucked up. Because even my mom is a naturalized citizen, too. So you think about, I don't know, she wasn't doing anything fucked up or anything in the past but like i think makes you think you're like damn they're really trying to even go after people who have been here who have contributed who are fully have participated in this thing called america

but do we know any data on like which countries of origin they might be targeting specifically it seems like i mean a lot of it has been at least most of the stories that i had read that were more like anecdotal pieces to like you know go along with this idea of the denaturalization task force have been people from like latin america some from africa it all depends i mean if it's not america is a shithole right so it's not america or a white country yeah oh yeah like uh norway what was that is that what Kirsten Nielsen said in that one thing? Yeah. She's like, well, we'd love to have more Swedish immigrants or Norwegian immigrants.

Why would they? They have free health care. Why would they come here? So there is a movement happening in the prisons of America. prisoners around the country are launching a 19-day strike to protest ultra low pay, forced labor, and just generally poor conditions in prisons across the United States. If you've seen 13th, it's an amazing documentary that tells the story of how a lot of the slave economy was transferred to putting people in prison and people of color in particular and forcing them into labor and having an economy based on these prisons contracting

out the labor of their inmates. It's a great deal for companies because they only have to pay them like cents per hour, like 85 cents, 12 cents, I've heard. Or in some states, not at all. Right. Like in 2017, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Texas, they were not paid for most of their work. Right.

And yeah, the 13th Amendment, you know, bans slavery and involuntary servitude, but very clearly says, except as punishment of crime, whereof the party shall have been duly convicted. And that's why a lot of people are going like, oh, so you're just redefining slavery to be like are you a criminal and when you look at sort of the statistics of like how our criminal justice system works well we have like less than five percent of the population and close to one quarter of the world's prison population so what they are advocating for is something that needs to be addressed and when you look at two there were thousands of prisoners in California were fighting the fucking fires as part of like this work program. And the sad thing is like those work hours normally people would work in these vocational programs would count towards a certification.

But when you are a convict, you cannot get that certification. So it's almost all for not for a lot of these inmates. And yeah, the 19-day strike is meant to end on the anniversary of the Attica riots. Oh, wow. Yeah, which was in 47th anniversary of the Attica prison riot. And so this is going to be a work strike

and also there will be hunger strikes involved too. Is this going to be across the entire country? I think it's being organized across multiple states, yeah. Oh, wow. But yeah, I mean, it's, again, it's when you really look at how our private prison system works, especially from that user on 8chan, who said the privet prison industry.

Yes, this is a booming fucking industry where people have employees you pay 85 cents an hour to do all kinds of things. And there are a lot of companies too that benefit from prison labor too, like Starbucks and other things like that. Yeah. Russia has been attempting to hack right-wing think tanks. This will presumably allow both sides to claim that Russians are trying to help the other guys. It's a right-wing think tanks who are hostile to Trump's message. So not totally clear why that would matter in the run up to the midterms. But the most interesting thing to me about this story is that Microsoft came with the announcement, which puts them in the mix of like

an international incident. They're basically antagonizing Russia and all the hackers they have working on their behalf, you know, because they specifically called out a hacker team that works for Putin. So they're basically, you know, involving themselves in this war. But I don't know. It seems smart to me because Microsoft is sort of the lame, invisible fifth tech behemoth that it's not as cool to complain about. And so they're associating their name with the side of solving the problem as opposed to being the problem. So I don't know. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. There was just a story with the fact that towns that use Facebook more were more likely to have violence against immigrants in Germany. And the study is pretty

conclusive saying that Facebook leads to violence against immigrants in Germany. So you can be part of the solution or part of the problem. And maybe this is a way that you can convince some of these massive powerful media behemoths and tech behemoths to start doing good work i wonder if it was because they were also i know like those hackers were trying to replicate microsoft sites so like if you that's why they yeah like outlook for like your work email or whatever it's built on the outlook program or pro platform then they're like oh hold on don't don't fuck around with outlook but yeah i don't i think that i mean it probably makes sense to go after anti like never trump or you know right think tanks because they'll probably have a hand in probably running counter campaigns or uh publicity campaigns against you know trump rubber stamp uh candidates in the midterms.

But yeah, I guess they could also be their optics publicity strategy to say oh, we're not only going after people on the left. They also go after people on the right, so you never know. They just want to fuck shit up. Yeah, they could be helping the Democrats. I don't really know. What do I know?

Right. So we'll see. We'll be keeping an eye on that. Jackie, it has been a pleasure having you. Thank you for having me. Where can people find you, follow you, listen to you? Sure. So I'm JackieIsAwesome on Instagram and Twitter. But I put a U in between the W and the E on awesome. So it's awesome.

Awesome. Something I did in 10th grade, which is kind of stuck. And then also you can find my podcast, Guilty Pleasure Podcast. If you enjoyed my dulcet tones during today's episode, you should listen to this week's episode of Guilty Pleasure, which Jack and Miles are on, talking about the golden era of hip hop.

Who are you talking to? Who are they? It's you two. I'm Jack and Miles. It's you two. Oh, Alice. And you guys gave us a great conversation about the golden era of hip hop,

which is awesome. I'm actually in the process of making a playlist based on all your recommendations. When I was editing it, I was literally like keeping notes of all the things you guys were doing, and I was like, I gotta make this into a playlist. I'll probably do it today. So yeah, Guilty Pleasure Podcast and yeah, on the internet there. Awesome. And is there

a tweet that you've been enjoying? Yeah, there's a tweet that I just enjoyed that I pulled up a second ago and it was from John Gabrus and it was, sometimes I wish I had a day job. Then I realized, I don't know if I can handle my coworkers watching me eat an entire cold roasted chicken over the garbage can every day for lunch. Over a garbage can. The best detail of that. A cold roasted chicken. We've all done that. I mean, yeah, who hasn't? We've all been there, folks.

Miles, where can people find you, follow you, and what's a tweet that you've been enjoying, friend? You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram, at Miles of Grey. And a tweet that I like is from at Shy Pixel. Roses are red.

Truth is truth. Rape is rape. Fuck at real Donald Trump. Great tweet. That's great. That's from Shy Pixel. That's really good. I just like aggressive roses are red tweets. Yeah, I told you where you can find me.

Yeah, and then check out Guilty Pleasures. We got to talk about Jack and I's favorite time in hip hop. And buy the merch. TeePublic. Was that like 2017 2016 our favorite time uh whenever gucci gang came out right that is just that those few weeks after gucci gang came out gucci gang gucci gang tweet i've been enjoying is from katie golden who uh is the human behind the twitter account birds rights activist she tweeted if you had told me five years ago that one day i would be a 10 foot tall princess who the human behind the Twitter account, Birds Rights Activist. She tweeted, If you had told me five years ago that one day I would be a 10-foot-tall princess who could command the obedience of any tiger by holding it in my gaze

to siphon its soul into my perfect red eyes, I wouldn't have believed you. Follow your dreams and kneel before my army of tigers. And you can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes.

We link off to the information in the episode that we just talked about. You can find the footnotes in the description of the episode. So whatever you're listening to this on, just go to the episode, look at the information, and you will see links to sources of the stuff we're talking about. Miles. Yeah. We also link off to the song that we ride out on, and you're about to tell us what that is.

Yes, this is a track from On Ra, who's a beat maker, but this has more of a vaporwave feel to it. A vaporwave is kind of like, imagine you were in a haunted mall from the 80s and what the music would sound like in there. It's very synth-y but spooky, and this has that little synth vibe to it. I feel like

I'm in an 8-bit version of a Lamborghini Countach driving through the City of Lights or something like that. It's a very visual piece. And look, if you don't like that 80s sound, just go away because this is the wave. This is Secretly, yes, by Own Rock. And Alexander Michael gave me that shaggy AK. I feel bad.

It's not his fault, but I am no shaggy. Cool. We're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. Talk to you guys then. Bye. Bye. Cool. We're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. Talk to you guys then. Bye. Bye. Bye. so Thank you. I can't do what we have

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