The Daily Zeitgeist - Baby Boomers Are All Sociopaths, Who Asked for More LotR? 11.14.17

Episode Date: November 15, 2017

In episode 28, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Caitlin Gill to discuss Donald Trump Jr's DM's with Wiki Leaks, Bob Goodlatte & Jeff Sessions, the baby boomer generation, Amazon's plot to make a LOTR TV show, Meek Mill's legal troubles, & more. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious stand-up comedian Caitlin Gill. Caitlin Gill, reporting for duty. That's the grandmother I'd like to fuck who also skates. That is my primary alter ego.

And anytime I've been forced to rap, I have to be forced. I have done it as Caitlin Gill. Caitlin, what's something you've searched in the last week that you believe is revealing about who you are as a human being? Too revealing. I've just been doing punch-up for an anthology series about all sorts of weird shit, so I was looking up, like, lists

of Nazi terms, followed by, like, what does a mermaid's tail really look like, followed by, like, is a cloaca what I think it is? What's another word for gonorrhea? What's another word for giardia? Turns out another word for giardia is beaver fever. So I've learned a lot. My brain got stuck on what's a mermaid's tail actually look like, because that made me realize

I feel like mermaid's tails, even though they're supposed to be half fish, half human, they have more mammal-like tails. Don't they usually have the sideways tail, like a whale? It is a whale tail, but not the sexy kind that used to peek out from your jeans when you were wearing a thong. It was big for a while, right? Yeah, that was. I tried to do that. Man, I made a lot of bad decisions in my head. I still rock that.

Like, intentionally. Says Potatoes O'Brien on the band. Potatoes. Caitlin, what's something you think is overrated? Well, okay, Diet Coke. Let's fight about it. Boo. It is gross, and it sucks, and just be a real human being, grow some labia, and drink a

real Coke. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a caffeine delivery system. It has more caffeine. That's why I drink it. I mean, it's a sugar delivery system. So what are you doing putting fake sugar in there? I just don't like its taste, and I'm amazed by the people that guzzle it.

Because anybody I know who likes Diet Coke doesn't like it a little bit. They love it. This is an obsession. This is surrounded by empty cans, just the rattle of aluminum. Yeah, no, that's an addiction. Well, we had to sweep up about 30 cans before you got in here. I understand. I just don't like it.

I think it's wildly underrated. They roll around the office like tumbleweeds. Defend yourself, Jax. I'm not one of those people who is like, I love it. It is a good thing. I think it's poison. But I put it in my body because if I drink two cups of coffee, I start getting sick.

And so I do coffee and then a Diet Coke. You're weak. Be cold. Cold from the hurt. I'm just kidding. You can drink Diet Coke. That's fine. I smoke cigarettes and I think Diet Coke is gross. So I am a monster. I ingest the most disgusting thing possible and I'm still willing to hold my cigarette between two other fingers to point at you and say that's right you are you do have a cigarette going right now i wasn't gonna i don't i'm not maddening in here hearkening to the old days can i give you one more underrated thing yes the movie spy by paul feig oh oh uh yes yes yes i think it's yeah i like i makes me i've seen it so

many times it is the only movie on my phone i watch it every time I am on a plane, and that is too often. It's on every flight, I think. Yeah, it has been. I know it well enough that I have begun to sing along to the James Bond-esque theme song at the beginning of the film. I've gone deep. Wow. Yeah, it's not good. But after it all, who else can you trust?

I can really go deep. Wow. I've done it a few times. On paper, how many times do you think you've actually seen it? I mean, easily over a dozen. Probably less than 30, more than 15. Wow. I'm going to put it out.

I love Jason Statham in that too. Oh my God, he's so funny. Everybody in it is so funny. All the jokes are, it's very funny. It's funny because the first time I saw it was on a plane too. Because typically, just certain films, you only just watch on a plane. And it was one of those films where I was like, wow, that was a good movie that it was on a plane, too, because typically I just certain films you can you only just watch on a plane. And I was it was one of those films like, wow, that was a good. This is good on a plane.

This is very good. Yeah, it's terrific. And if you haven't seen it and every time I mentioned someone, I really love this movie Spy. They're like, oh, yeah, I remember that was a movie. Oh, I remember. Believe it or not, it is underrated and you should watch it. Every single joke lands. Oh, my God. Wonderful.

They're also funny. Carol Jenkins. I actually don't remember God. It's wonderful. They're all so funny. Carol Jenkins. I actually don't remember that joke. That's okay. I remember all of the jokes. I could let it go. You might do another out of body thing

where you start just going script line after line reciting lines from Spy. Kayla went out of body earlier. I believe Allison Janney's best jokes were improvised but who can say for sure? Caitlin, do you have any media myths about something in your background?

Anything that you are familiar with as a person that you'd like to tell our audience is not true? I mean, I think the media is trying to do this. I don't know why this is my immediate reaction but uh hey y'all if you're fat you can still fuck good that i would just like that to be widely known that there are too many uh diet tips out there about you getting that fuckable body that's just one of those things that if you think how physically attractive like on a one to ten boring scale someone is translates to how hot doing it to them is going to be, you are wrong. Right.

The chemistry that makes good lovemaking has nothing to do with what you look like on a runway. Just own that, and if you jiggle while you're doing it, you're still doing it, and you're doing it well. Preach. What can I say? Doing it and doing it well. I've just had really bad sex with really pretty people and really wonderful sex with people that aren't dimes but rusty battered nickels do you tell them that is that how you right after honestly i have described myself as a rusty

battered nickel i think that's what i d are hot, but I want to be a nickel. I want to be well-made, stocky, built. A coin you touch and immediately know that it's a sturdy, powerful coin. Right. And it'll still give you a piece of bubble gum. You can knock those runway models right off their feet. You know what I'm saying? No problem.

If it was like a pogs situation. Yes. It's a slammer. You'd take that over a quarter. All right. Hell yeah, you would. All right. Let's get into what's going on in the news today. Right now, so I guess yesterday, right, some WikiLeaks DMs came out, WikiLeaks and Don Jr., Donald Trump Jr.

were having like an intimate, long-running conversation just ongoing about uh just certain strategies with how to you know they said if if trump loses do not concede and like you know why don't you leak his tax returns to us so it'll look like we're not pro-trump or pro-russia just like a lot of uh shit that you do not want to be on the receiving end of if your entire administration or campaign is under investigation so as don jr he was not uh like coming back and saying he replied he replied to a couple things right but jk yeah or like one was like hey what's this uh wednesday leak about like you know trying to ask them you know because like he heard about another wiki leak stump or something like that so it's not like directly colluding as obviously as RT clearly like to put out today.

It was like, oh, those DMs show that there was no collusion. Yeah, that was. But it shows you communicating with WikiLeaks, who I think at this point is safe to assume is Russia by proxy. Right. Yeah. I Googled WikiLeaks DMs and the second Google result was an article from RT being like, Don Jr. releases DMs and still no evidence of collusion was their takeaway.

That's a laugh. That's like saying I'll meet you at 630. There are no evidence of plans. Right. Exactly. Certainly a time and a place we decided, but no plans were made. Nobody said the word plans. I didn't reply. It may say seen. You may have a seen receipt,, but no plans were made. Nobody said the word plans. I didn't reply.

It may say seen. You may have a seen receipt, but I didn't see it. I think I just had my phone open. Well, part of the problem is that collusion is a made up term. some sort of nefarious things going on between the Trump campaign and Russia, sort of painted themselves into a corner by just making up a term and being like, yeah, that's a legally sounding word, collusion. But it's like not a thing. So like RT can be like no evidence of collusion because it's not a thing. I mean, there's evidence of direct communication between the Trump campaign and possible Russian agents.

But that's another thing. Right. I'm a collusion right now. Right. Yeah. So one one one disaster at a time., but that's another thing. I'm talking about collusion right now. So one disaster at a time. You can't... If someone is not capable of planning, it doesn't make them innocent of doing something super shady and bad,

for lack of a better term, because collusion's fake. It's like, yeah, just because you don't know how to cook the dish doesn't mean you ordered it. These guys are kind of too dumb to truly be the architects of a multinational huge plot to steal an election. But boy, could they stick their stupid thumbs into one. Right, right.

Okay. Sorry. I'm not surprised it didn't take me that long to just devolve into making noises. Yeah, so again, it does not look good for Doju at all. So, you know, we'll see what they did. I mean, I guess, honestly, like everything, there was a smokescreen was possibly deployed very quickly because right after that, there was a letter that was made public by the Department of Justice that seemed to suggest that the House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, or Goodlatte, as we'll call him, from Virginia, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, or Goodlatte, as we'll call him, from Virginia, has time and time again asked for Sessions to appoint a second special counsel to investigate his concerns with the 2016 election and the aftermath,

which is really just like a giant list of like batshit conspiracy things, like just a bunch of Hillary did a Benghazi to an email and now it turned to uranium one, whatever. So these stories are related because they were essentially they released this news about a representative asking for this second investigation into the investigation right after the DMs were like within hours. right after the DMs were sort of dropped? Yeah, like within hours. So, I mean, it's interesting that, like, another story comes out that would seem to call into question the legitimacy or, you know, the authenticity of Robert Mueller's special counsel. So, you know, obviously that's a great distraction because you're saying,

oh, my God, Doju was DMing WikiLeaks and talking about all kinds of coordination or whatever, not that he was, but they were saying that to him. He's like, but then there's this thing now a second special counsel to look at the first special counsel it's i mean it's it's it's wild well it also gives the people like when they're going back and forth uh questioning jeff sessions at today's uh interrogation uh they during the sessions sort of testimony today uh it gives people on the right or like republicans something to talk about when questioning him right they're like so there's this other uh yeah i mean i know i think bob goodlatte brought it up in the very beginning but it seemed like it was the whole today's testimony with the House Judiciary Committee was a mix of like Democrats like holding him to the sword and then Republicans sounding outraged, but asking like just really basic questions with the tone of outrage.

Right. It's like, Mr. Sessions, you would agree that a FISA court order would and then just like tumble into something about un something about unmasking which is like a total non-thing right um while like other people like uh karen bass were like oh what about this report on uh the black identity extremists oh yeah i think we actually have audio don't we yeah so like for example i think uh you know hakeem jeffries from new york was asking you know like you know why don't you you know later rest uh some of these accusations against you, you know, lay to rest some of these accusations against you? And, you know, Jeff Sessions had a pretty coherent response. Now, who's responsible? I say, who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my person? So, you know.

Approved. I think we should, yeah, disclaimer, I think C-SPAN owns that clip. Right. But, yeah, I think we're allowed to. Yeah, so he was definitely, he was definitely, got very animated at times. So, you know, because Jeff Sessions, his testimony has evolved over the course of this year. Although he said, my story has never changed. I've just added to it, which I think functionally means it's changing.

It is not. Pay attention, boy. I'm cutting, but you ain't bleeding. Exactly. And I should have just took that as an answer. Right. I'm a snowflake cuck. That's not specific enough for you?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's to the point that I'm almost tired of seeing him sort of gasping for answers. Yeah, there was a lot of a lot of vocal fry i can't this one is very interesting to watch slowly play out because that's how justice moves real slow so he's been stuck in this quicksand right jeff sessions represents what i miss about the political world that i developed you know came up in that I deeply disagree with his point of view. I think his views on the world are detestable and really kind of gross. But I respect him as an intelligent person. And I think he actually has some respect for the same

institutions I respect. But it's we just have a different worldview. I mean, I feel like the Trumps represent this disgusting, disgusting stupid and like anarchy destroy everything good or bad they're just not i am not used to engaging with that kind of perspective i missed the george w bush days where i just totally disagreed with a person politically but didn't actually believe they were out to destroy us all because somebody called him old like right that i missed that and it's amazing to watch Sessions, the old-style Republican caught in the old-style trap of justice. Right. He's not stupid.

Jeff Sessions is actually a pretty, like, one-on-one is a decent person. Just ask Al Franken. He is incredibly intelligent. And he knows that there's no getting out. He can't get his legs out. He got his feet in by just endorsing. And then the sand just started creeping up. And the last time he testified, he knew he was waist deep and it was over.

And now it's just his little dumb head sticking up like, well, I don't remember. Like, yeah. Right. Yeah. It's all about not remembering. I do not recall. Yeah. We'll be on his tombstone.

Yeah. Right. I've been in Georgia for two months. Atlanta is great, except that it's in georgia uh i had so much fun out there and it really is a beautiful place um but when i think about sessions i can't help think thinking about what it was like to be there like i'm gay you can read me from 100 yards away it's pretty obvious uh i'm a big giant lady with tattoos and short hair like you know i feel like i was throwing up some red flags when it came in the South.

And I try not to approach people with, like, fear in my heart that they're going to do something terrible to me. But, like, it's hard not to. Which is part of why immediately after the election, I got a tiny dog. And I take that tiny dog with me everywhere. It's a very positive relationship. It's done wonderful things for my mental health, blah, blah, blah. But in the South, and everywhere I travel in a red state, I just let her lead by like six inches, and that determines how people are going to treat me more than anything they

might assume about my lifestyle or my person. So it would be all these little old ladies, like walking in rural Georgia with my tiny dog, and people I would be terrified of, especially older women, like hardened, southern, older women, who might look at me and think, what the fuck are you doing in my town? Look at my tiny dog and just melt into butterpats. Just like, oh, look, Joel, look at this tiny sweet. How old is this little? Oh, you're a kid.

Oh, she's just a darling. I would vote against your rights in a heartbeat. Look at your little pretty. You're going to burn in hell. Bless bless your heart look at your tiny dog and it's so confusing right because these are people jeff sessions reminds me of these people there's kindness they know how to be kind they know how to meet you to your face and make you feel welcome right and i don't know if they understand like that that yeah but i the person you're being nice to and the person who you don't want me to get married and you think I'm going to die in some hellfire or whatever. Like, how is who how do you do that? Like, how are you so kind at the micro level and so cruel at the macro level. It's a very confusing dichotomy, and I'm still struggling with it as I travel around the country, which I do for stupid work,

telling dumb jokes. I just don't. It baffles me. And I'm so thankful for my tiny idiot dog, because for the most part, what I see first in people is kindness, and it sort of dissipates some of the fear. But, like, I don't understand the Jeff Sessions

who is the guy whose wife knits blankets for anybody in the Senate who has a grandkid or whatever. Right. And who's the guy who's like, I don't know, black people are bad, I guess. Right. Who are you? How do you do that? How could you cradle a newborn black baby from somebody that, you know, in the Senate and like treasure it?

And then that same day pass some dumb laws like, I don't know, they smoke crack and I guess they're bad. Right. Right. pass some dumb loaves like i don't know they smoke crack and i guess they're bad yeah right right yeah the south is a is a really beautiful like mysterious interesting place at with there's a lot of hateful people there too the midwest isn't different right have some frito pie i go to church i believe you're an awful sinner like it's not right that's still frito pie though right i just want to translate the kindness that is all over this country on a micro level and encourage it to get a little bigger. Go a little macro with it.

Do you think it has anything to do just with the fact that sometimes, like, you know, meeting a gay person, it's like, and it's abstract to them. So it's easier to just sort of rail against them. Never understood that like I did before I drove through rural Georgia. There is nothing there. It's gorgeous land, really beautiful. No advertisements, no billboards, no noise, no nothing, except for signs for churches. That's all that's there.

Big billboards for churches, signs pointing you to a church, and this picturesque, super rural landscape. I've never been in a place that looks less like television. They go home to this beautiful place. They open their door, and then they sit down like the rest of us, and they watch stupid TV all day, just like we all do. But their world is so different from the world that we show them in media. Like I live in Los Angeles. When I walk outside, it looks like 10 shows that I could watch at any given moment. Like down the street, they film part of Twin

Peaks across the street from my house. Like everything looks weird and surreal in real life to me. But I never understood what conservative meant more than when i was driving around in those towns recognizing what people are trying to conserve right oh i get it a gay bar here would be seriously different because an applebee's here would be controversial like i get it you got a ways to go right in turn but it wouldn't harm you but i understand how it would be like that all everything you're showing me is different and scary every time you turn on the television is like oh i yeah i get it yeah modern family is probably a pretty alarming program for you right

it's i didn't that never resonated as truly i always thought conservatives were just kind of like i did have a bias or some assumption that it was some kind of meanness or like right something they just didn't get very which is why they hate us liberal elites or whatever they don't get it they don't understand they haven't read howard's in or whatever but i drove through where they live and saw who they are and like yeah we're you know the media certainly projects a different picture of what everyday life is like from what i saw there yeah for sure and i can see it being like don't tell us we're dumb don't tell us we're idiots don't tell us we're bumpkins right they're not any dumber that's for sure totally not they're they're very smart people person for person way nicer right that's true like when you first meet them like they are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

That's it. I mean, I did a thing in a Trump rally where I was talking to people outside and no, everyone was kind at first until you begin talking about politics. So like most people, yeah, they will still, they have that basic humanity and everyone does. And again, it's just, again, people have very different worldviews and it easy to to vilify or create an other when you haven't really met these people and it's in the flesh and it's on both sides you know the same for the way some liberals tend to just sort of look at a conservative like oh they're fucking dumb and blah blah blah it's like no like we're we're people just coming from very different realities and we're just trying to this is the process of trying to reconcile these two things absolutely it. It's picking your poison.

In Los Angeles, you could have an interaction that's like, get out of my way, bitch. I believe you should have every right that I do. In the South, it would be like, please come in. I would love to offer you dinner. And also your future is eternal hellfire. Like, I don't know. I don't know. Very confusing.

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I want to blame a specific group of people for all of America's problems. Uh-oh. Yeah. Can'toh. Yeah. Can't wait. All right. You guys ready? Let me turn on the hot take me. Old people.

Boy, what an original take for a younger generation to blame the generation before for our problems. I know. Isn't it crazy? How they just don't get us, right? So there's this book called A Generation of Sociopaths about the baby boomer generation. I find generational stuff very interesting. Just from like pure demographics, I've talked before about the dependency ratio, which says that like all of our, you know, prosperity and stuff for the past 50 years has been based on the fact that the baby boomer generation, like this huge group of people were going through working age.

And basically the way the dependency ratio works is if you're if you have more working age people than like babies and elderly, you're going to have a successful economy. So it's just like pure demographics. I find that interesting. And the baby boom generation is like one of the most distinct generations. It's like all the people who are fucked into existence after our grandparents won World War II. Well, hold on. I'm half Japanese, so I'm not. My grandparents won World War II. Sorry, hold on. I'm half Japanese, so I'm not. My grandparents won World War II.

Sorry, that shouldn't be as funny as it was. No, it's fine. Had the truth talk, then. And also, this is specifically about white baby boomers being the issue, because, well, that's at least the thesis of the book. So the book's called A Generation of Sociopaths, and the author, Bruce Gibney, talks about how, like, even when you drill down to, like, their answers on

psychological questionnaires, they test way more selfish, way more, like, sociopathic and, you know, more focused on the here and now rather than like the future than any generation before or since. And he's talking specifically about white middle class baby boomers. There's actual mental health data showing that they have significantly higher levels of antisocial traits and behaviors, including a lack of empathy, disregard for others, egotism and impulsivity. And basically, I don't know, it seems like there's been my life has been dominated by these stories where people are behaving in a way that is, people are behaving in a way that is, you know, makes me feel like I'm losing my mind in terms of like climate change, you know, like refusing to acknowledge climate change is a crazy thing.

And he kind of points to baby boomers as like being the cause of that. Yeah. One of the biggest heartbreaks of my young life was finally doing the math and realizing that the 20 year olds that whose actions i was so inspired by in the civil rights movement and in the 60s and resistance of vietnam and you know the hippies and shit uh those 20 year olds are of 1965 are the 40-year-olds of 1985. Right. And if you would – like, I couldn't believe that those were the same people because I didn't live that history, so I don't realize that, like, hippies represent a very small idea of a 40 year old 1985 is so different from a 20 year old in 1960 and they are the same people when you look at the core motivation a lot of it's

the same like you know that the same the resistance to vietnam was less about what for many people was about being drafted like the idea that they didn't want to serve and didn't want to do that. And sure, it was an unjust conflict. But this was also the first generation that was like, fuck you. I'm not doing that. Right. I'm not going to do this. And I mean, I wouldn't sign up.

So I guess I can't point fingers at anybody who would resist a draft. But it's a very different perspective than I'm marching for peace. It's like I'm not I'm marching. So I don't go to war is a very different motivation that helps explain the 80s where it was like i'm voting so i don't have to pay taxes like right that's those are the same people i do get that and yeah they're fucking sociopaths they grew up in a time of total abundance and that doesn't breed like the that doesn't breed a kind of empathy it's suggested by biologists that altruism in human beings developed as a positive evolutionary trait,

that we are good to others because it is good for the balance of the species and therefore us individually. And when you live in a time in abundance, there is no need, there's no advantage for you to be altruistic. You can get enough on your own. You can shove somebody down

and there's still enough at the bottom for them to be fine. It doesn't make for a, like a sense of community almost always comes out of a sense of need, out of a sense of, you know, fear might be too strong, but the knowledge that unless you do it together, you're going to be weaker than if you, you know, hadn't, if you'd worked individually. And baby boomers just did not come up under that same perspective. Millennials have developed most of their life with the nation at war, with fear of, you know, debt and financial uncertainty and certainly long term uncertainty.

Anybody in this room know how they're going to retire? I'm a stand up comedian. You've never heard of. I don't. I buy scratchers every day. Yeah, exactly. heard of i don't so i buy scratchers every day yeah exactly uh i think there's a sense in the generation coming after the baby boomers of fear whether short term or long term and concern that brings us a little bit closer together in a way that baby boomers never had to those go-go 80s

baby just grab grab grab why give a fuck why care when you look at the new york the major cities in the 70s and 80s being utterly crime ridden and terrifying. So what? Like, there was just kind of a blasé attitude, because that's a generation that grew up pretty comfortable, comparatively. Right. Yeah. And I guess the sort of positive spin on it would be that this is abnormal, like the generation before them wasn't this selfish. The generation coming after them is not this selfish. And this is just like a uniquely like pathologically selfish generation that, you know, if once they're replaced by a new generation that is more willing to see things along the lines of, you know, with human empathy in mind. I feel like, you know, some of the things that seem like they're intractable problems, things that I assumed were just human problems, might actually be temporary problems, like failing schools, like the whole prison industrial complex, like these are all sort of short term fixes to problems that are

eventually going to come back and bite future generations in the ass. And, you know, I guess the hopeful spin on that would be, but by that time, the world will have been taken over by a new generation who will be able to at least start working on fixing some of those things. at them across like big groups of people, like generation to generation, how they respond to these surveys. They are like far more sociopathic than any other generation. No pressure on the millennials, though. You know, I'll cry into my avocado toast. Right.

Exactly. I believe in it. Here we go. Underrated millennials. Yeah, I agree. They rule. I think the idea that this gender, I'm an ex-senial, 1981, born believe in it. Here we go. Underrated millennials. Yeah. Oh, I agree. They rule. I think the idea that this gender, I'm an ex-senial, 1981, born right in between. Yeah, me too.

I'm a first-generation millennial, wherein I was born into it, but I had to teach my parents VCR. I just think these kids, because I get to call them kids. Grandma gets to call them kids. I think they're perceptive. I think they're emotionally intelligent for them like more than past generations i think they have uh an intelligence about resource utilization recognizing that we are all going to have to do more with less right in big ways in small ways so 17 year old kid cleaning plastic out of the oceans with a

very simple and expensive device right that's the kind of shit that they're going to be able to do uh and i think they are combining like the baby boomer generation is why we all have computers on our desks like part of their indulgence spilled over nicely for uh millennials and part of the technology that they were able to that that huge workforce was able to churn out is how we're going to solve problems later but the difference between baby boomers is the think big difference. The computers used to fill a whole room when you started your job in 1979. Solutions to problems were big, expensive, and far away. And I am inspired by millennials shrinking things down to what they can do with their hands, what they can do in their communities. I think that they're good kids. I think that we're in good hands as we move forward. But as you said, the garbage heap we have left them to clean up,

we'll be lucky if their best efforts help us break even as a world, as a nation. Yeah. Amazon has decided to spend... Nice pivot. Yeah. Speaking of none of that, uh speaking of none of that amazon it has uh announced they are paying 250 million dollars uh to make a lord of the rings series oh wait no just to get the rights to make a lord of the rings series money well spent i mean like if you think about it, it cost, I think, something like $280 million for the Peter Jackson movies.

That cost $280 million to produce all three of the films. So they just paid $250 million for the permission to make a TV show. We don't even know what the show will be about. Well, presumably it will be about Lord of the Rings. Well, rings well yeah i hope but apparently it's a prequel to those so oh god and yeah because we all love prequels to like really cool trilogies has it ever worked out isn't it a prequel to the hobbit or isn't the hobbit a prequel the hobbit is a prequel they already did it do they mean to buy the hobbit have they heard of the hobbit and do they know how awful The fucking Hobbit was? That's the thing.

The Hobbit, or sorry, were you referring to the movies or the book? The movies. Right. Yeah. They could have fixed it. They could have fixed something. This is definitely pissing down a leg that's already been pissed on. We've already seen these.

We already know. Exactly. And also knowing how much of a shit show some of those were, like making those Hobbit films. Well, so The hobbit was made by peter jackson like begrudgingly and i feel like that's a that's never a good idea to give someone a like like a billion dollar yeah a beloved book to turn into three movies and he's doing it begrudgingly yeah like that whole shoot was a complete disaster. I think on one of the shoots, like, nine horses died. It was really...

And he was, like, coming up with shit on the spot, like, trying to visualize how certain scenes would go. He'd be like, uh, give me a second. I highly recommend people watch, go search on YouTube the, like, his speech that he gave to the cast and crew at the beginning of The Hobbit. He's like, well, not a lot of us wanted to be here, but here we are. For some people, it's a dream. Let's do it. Yeah, like the Lord of the Rings, he was super psyched. This was his dream project that he had to convince 20 people that he could make

and was super jazzed. And then The Hobbit came around and he was like, fuck. that he could make and was like super jazzed and then the hobbit came around he was like fuck so it turns out guillermo del toro like wasn't able to pull this together so now i have to do it because i was the producer and i was on the hook for it so like yeah shit um so maybe they will do a better job with the hobbit uh than he did yeah i i don't i don't even. It's crazy. Every industry paper is like, this is insane. We don't even know what each episode will cost.

So what is this whole thing going to turn out to cost? Half a billion dollars? They're trying to replicate the success of Game of Thrones. Yeah, we know. That's what you were doing. We all see you. We see you. The fun thing about game of thrones is that like you know characters you loved will get killed off and then like like

unexpected shit would happen like you didn't read the books right uh lord of the rings they're they're making the prequels to lord of the rings so all the characters are characters that you know are going to survive yeah except for the for the characters they introduce. Right, exactly. Right. So he's going to die. Good chance this guy will die. Look at that funny, charming guy that everybody likes. I wonder what's going to happen to that character.

Right. Unless you're like, well, Arwen died, and then she came back to life. Oh, come on. Unless that's the only way you could do it. The Elf in Afterlife. By the way, Lord of the Rings, very problematic, just from a whole racial and sociological perspective. Colonization

perspective? Yeah, it's got problems. Yeah. All the bad guys are like black-skinned. Literally mud people? Mud-colored people and all the good characters. The whiter you are, the better you are. Down to the characters with really white skin and white hair are the best characters.

I didn't think Cate Blanchett could get whiter. Right. Whoa. Yeah, they looked at Cate Blanchett and were like, not white enough. Not white enough. Let's whiten her up. Where's Tilda? Somebody call Tilda.

Yeah. This is PT. Pre-Tilda, I think, though. They didn't know what was lurking. They didn't know about the Tilda-ness that lay in store. All right, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. It was December 2019 when the story blew up. In Green Bay, Wisconsin, former Packers star Kabir Bajabiamila caught up in a bizarre situation.

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Yeah. I mean, he was riding a dirt bike all crazy on the sidewalk, and then there was an assault at an airport. The assault was dropped, but the judge still decided to throw the book at him. The assault was dropped, but the judge still decided to throw the book at him. Yeah. Meek Mill is one of, I guess, seven black men who has been like really had the book thrown at them in just this courtroom in the past year for violating probation. Yeah. Which is original. The reason why he was on probation was for a gun charge. uh probation yeah which is original the reason why he was on probation was for a gun charge i think right so yeah that coupled with a fight and literally because he was popping wheelies on a dirt bike right was the other which is according to creed is just how you get around in philadelphia

like oh yeah that's how you you you cannot say you're from philly unless you know how to pop a wheelie on a dirt bike that's just the law but um so this judge had an interesting uh interaction with meek uh because apparently so they're they're according to meek mill's attorney during a meeting in her chambers last year uh the judge suggested uh that meek mill remake boys to men's on bended knee uh and give her a shout out in his song and meek mill was like ha that's funny you are a funny judge and uh the judge said i'm not kidding and he was like i don't know what to say she said okay suit yourself and now she's sending him back to prison oh radio listeners my eyes are exploding out of

my fucking face yeah that is that is a living nightmare i know i am not famous you've never heard of me i do have friends that are and that is a thing it is a crazy phenomenon to watch people approach them with like i have the best story for your movie you can put me in it every oh my god you can smell them they'll round a corner they'll spot someone their face contorts in this horrible way and they just assumed familiarity with a public figure is an insane thing and the uh anger that comes with rejecting that is so crazy and profound that is a mentally imbalanced person. The anger on behalf of the person who is. Who is a judge in this case. Who is a judge?

Put me in your rap song. That's like a nightmare. Yeah. Okay. Let me give you a glimpse into this judge's mind. And I use judge very loosely because this is just crazy behavior. First of all, shows up to Meek Mill's community service to like watch him serve the homeless. That is not normal by any stretch of

the imagination also asks meek mill to leave rock nation one of the biggest management companies for musicians to sign with a friend of hers in philadelphia that is also insane and then this boys to men thing is just fucking crazy like this meek mill is a rapper he is not a fucking singer what does she think this cover was going to sound like right like this dude cannot sing have you heard meek mill rap it sounds like he's crying i do want to hear him do a boys to men song but for the opposite reason if he did he's like oh god give me a reason i'm down on baby like meek mill rap like this is not like a he's not a singer so already that's like what meek mill is gonna do a boyz II men song and then like shout you out like

like in the liner notes like in a specific track at the end is it an interlude is it a secret song at the end who knows uh yeah so this judge is uh hopefully this will possibly help reduce whatever his sentence is i think it's two to four years. Yeah, let's hope, because that's fucking nutburgers. Yeah. That's the same. It's the kind of amounts where I don't think that implies that maybe she doesn't understand the consequences of this little revenge that she's taking. Right, that you can say that.

Yeah. So apparently the FBI is investigating. As they should be. Yeah, these accusations. But his main appeal, so like this judge's decisions to send people back to prison for violating probation have gotten appealed and all of them have gotten upheld. So it's going to be, from a legal standpoint, it's going to be a difficult argument to make. This judge sounds perfect for a federal bench. This sounds like a Trump appointee.

There's a guy who I think currently is up for a judge's position who used to be a ghost hunter. Never tried a case? That guy? Yeah, exactly. And was ghost hunting. I'd imagine the judge was also like, Hey, Meek Mill, do a cover of Boyz II Men on Down on Bend.

That sounds perfect. I think she's setting her sights too low. All right. I'd imagine the judge is also like, hey, Meek Mill, do a cover of Boyz II Men on down on bended knee. That sounds like perfect. Right. I think she's setting her sights too low. All right. Cover of on bended knee. You've left me with my mind blown. Caitlin, where can people follow you? At RobotCaitlin on Twitter.

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