The Daily Zeitgeist - Baby Powder Conspiracy, TV Shows Aren’t 10 Hour Movies 09.22.22

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 255, episode 4 of Dirt Daily's Eye Geist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and it is Thursday, September 22nd, 2022. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka Hoppin' This Volvo. It's as big as a whale, and it's about to set sail. You want a new car? We got about 20.

So come on and use your kids' school money. Well, the lease shack is a little old place where we fuck Jack O'Brien. Get fucked, Jackie. Get fucked, Jackie. That is courtesy of Lex Moogie, Mr. Lugubrious, based on my recent, I'm coming to the end of my current car, and new leases, hard to come by very expensive and they did in fact sing this song when i when i entered the volvo leasing i didn't realize volvos are like crazy wild expensive cars

so anyways i will not be driving a volvo i can tell everybody that much i am thrilled to be joined by a very special guest co-host the producer behind shows like fake doctors real friends and welcome to our show you've heard her on pop culture happy hour the comic-con metapod it's the brilliant the talented joelle monique hello hello hello oh my gosh i have exciting news for the listener base you guys actually helped send me to the Toronto International Film Festival. Yeah, yeah. I saw a bunch of movies, and I'm going to report on them here very soon. Reporting back.

We're going to get a The Woman King review. You're getting a very spicy My Policeman interview, where I don't usually dunk on a movie so hard unless it absolutely deserves it. So I cracked my knuckles on this one. I said, here we go. It's time to eviscerate a film. That fellow being Harry Styles.

Massive. All right. You know what I love about movies? Movies feel like movies, yeah? Like sometimes when you go watch a movie, yeah, and you're just like, this feels not like a movie. It feels like I'm reading a book. But no, this movie felt like a movie.

Like when you watch it, wow. There's a moving film well usually we don't bring in audio but that that is uh this early but that that is audio of a recent harry styles quote he sounds smart hey who's that in in our third seat a very funny comedian the host of the podcast the broadcast pod yourself Yourself a Gun. And now, Pod Yourself the Wire, it's Matt Lee! Hey! I'm here, baby.

I'm here. And, you know, good to be back. You know, I was here just the other day. And you guys were just like, man, Matt, you got to come back immediately. Yeah. Because you just crushed it in the guest host. Need more Lieb. Yeah.

Yes. You know, more Lieb. More Lieb the better. So I'm excited to be here. More Lieb time. That's right. If I could get a little more Lieb time on that. Yeah, a little more Lieb time.

And thanks for plugging the, you know, the pod, Pod Yourself The Wire, which is, you know, you were on Pod Yourself A Gun, our Sopranos Rewatch podcast. And we did all the episodes. Now we're at The Wire, which is, you know, you were on Potty Yourself a Gun, our Sopranos Rewatch podcast, and we did all the episodes, and now we're at The Wire. So, I'm going to need both of you guys to come on and talk about The Wire at some point. It is my favorite show of all time. It's a great show. It's a great show. And here's the thing. If you're listening to this right now,

and you're like, oh, I haven't seen those shows, doesn't matter. You can still listen to the podcast. And if you're like, I don't want to listen to the podcast, that's fine. The most important thing is just giving us five stars in a review on the Apple podcast store. That's all I care about. Subscribe and then press play on the episode

and then mute it. And then walk away. Walk away. Literally, it's an act of charity to do those things. Please help. I have a baby. Yeah. There aren't that many movie TV podcasts that I will give the go ahead and listen to this, even if you're not watching the show.

But yours is one of them because it is a comedy show and it's fun. It's fun to listen to. Although you should watch the fucking wire in this. Yeah, absolutely. Watch the wire wire it's weird to not watch those shows just because it's like well i mean what what what else are you watching what's in the way of those nothing you're watching is as good as either the sopranos or the wire and nothing you're listening to is as good as those two rewatch podcasts pot yourself a gun

and buy yourself the wire so please help with the obvious exception of the daily zeitgeist right right right right right i was gonna say that yeah yeah don't we i don't want to start a beef here matt but no there's no beef but it's like you know you guys you guys don't re-watch enough tv on this podcast and that i think has been the main problem I've seen in various Daily Zeitgeist comment sections. They're like, how come they're not talking about my favorite story? Just completely

misunderstanding it as a Wire re-watch podcast. I don't remember any of these episodes about the Wire where the queen was dead. That is truly what you get when you like launch a podcast. The first few weeks of episodes of reviews are just like, you know, reviewing a different podcast than your title made them think your show was going to be. Yeah.

Yeah. Matt, I want to. OK, episodes. I think the one where the wire tapping goes completely haywire and blows up in everybody's face or Omar's first onscreen gay kiss. I'll do either. Oh, yeah. Iconic moments for me.

We just did the first Omar gay kiss episode. Oh, missed it. Okay. So, unfortunately, you can't do that one. But there's plenty of The Wire Goes Haywire episodes. That's the thing about The Wire. It's mostly a show about, you know, wires. Various types.

Getting crossed. Getting crossed. Various types of wires. And they do, if you haven't seen it, they do constantly say things like, this has gone haywire and looks like we've got our wires crossed. Yeah. Too much coffee for me. I'm wired. Yeah, I'm wired. It's mostly a show of wire puns. say things like this has gone haywire and looks like we've got our wires crossed and yeah too much

coffee for me i'm wired yeah i'm wired it's mostly a show of wire punch choice yeah yeah it's a it's a weird to have such a serious and important show be filled with random self-referential oh man you know what my favorite magazine is? Wired. Anyways, let's solve this murder. Yeah. Joel, I'm so excited for the segments where you're going to be coming on, telling us about all the movies you've pre-screened for us. And, yeah, that will all be happening soon.

And, Matt, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. Yes, please. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. There is this article in The New Yorker, which I read, no big deal, about Johnson & Johnson's history of talcum powder, baby powder. And they're knowing that it caused cancer and kind of continuing to sell it, even though there was a cheaper alternative. But it really is just the most American story that you can come up with. There was like a twist in it that really, really blew my mind. So I just want to kind of take you guys through that story.

So we're going to do that. And then we're going to talk about the idea of the 10-hour movie tv show because they the new star wars series and or starring diego luna is being pitched as a very long movie and that's also how tim burton's wednesday is being pitched obi-wan kenobi the new lord of the's Wednesday is being pitched, Obi-Wan, Kenobi, The New Lord of the Rings show, all being pitched that way. So I want to just kind of talk about that idea that they, I think, believe lends them some sort of credence or some sort of, I don't know, high culture status. But it's not how things work. so all of that plenty more but first matt we do like to ask our guest what is something from your search history well the most

recent thing in my search history is i googled my wedding ring is stuck so yeah so here's so i got a wedding ring i got married to previous guest francesca fiorentini and um beautiful daily zeitgeist guest power couple just a wonderful zeitgeist zeit couple and um i got the ring and at first it was like too small so we sent it back and we got it resized and then it came back and i was like, okay, now it kind of comfortably fits over the knuckle and it's kind of nice, you know, nice and like a little bit loose over the, uh, you know, the actual, you know, under the knuckle area. And then in the last few days, my, my finger swelling, I don't know why. And so I tried to take it off and now it's stuck. I can't get it out. And I've been reading online. It's a lot of, don't worry about it. It's just, you know, it's the weather. And I'm like, I'm a little bit worried about it. I have a thing that,

what if my finger dies? What if I lose it? Your finger keeps growing. What if my finger dies? What if I lose? Your finger keeps growing. Exactly. And then I started thinking, yeah, what if I gain weight? And then my fingers start swelling even more.

And this is stuck on me forever. And I feel nervous about it. So I've been putting soap on it. And I can't fucking get it off. And not that I want to get it off. Because obviously, love is love. Right. You're just saying that you tend to only wear it. You don't wear it when you record podcasts.

Well, I don't wear it when I record podcasts. I go to the grocery store, go to a bar if I'm on stage. But other than that, if I'm on stage, you know, I don't want it in my Tinder profile, but I'm just saying I can't. It concerns me. And so I'm like WebMDing symptoms. And it's like, unless your finger starts tingling, then don't worry

about it. And I was like, well, as soon as you say that, now my finger is tingling because I'm thinking about my finger tingling. You know what I mean? Yeah. You need a buzzsaw, Matt. Well, that's because I'm thinking about my finger tingling. You know what I mean? Yeah. You need a buzzsaw, Matt. Well, that's what I'm worried about. I'm like, listen, this family in such a short amount of time has had so much ring drama.

And I just feel like I can't tell Francesca that it's stuck because then it'll be like another ring thing. Joel, there was a, I've told the story before, but I got Francesca a really bad engagement ring on accident. And, and so that was a whole fiasco. And now this is,

it's another ring fiasco and it's stuck, but it's fine. You know what? I'll just, I don't, I don't fucking need that finger anyway. So, yeah,

it is something that they don't tell you that like, I don't fucking need that finger anyway. So, yeah, it is something that they don't tell you that like, I don't know. I, I remember early days of getting married and being shocked at how fat my fingers were on some days and just that it's like completely variable. I found over 14 years of marriage that it tends to, it tends to go with like my diet and how much salt i've eaten in the previous like i i think if i've had ramen i can i can just bet that i'm not going to be able to get

my wedding ring on and off the next day really oh i mean maybe that's kind of good though i should cut down on my salt intake yeah maybe it's like nature's way or they say marriage is better for your health and so now i'm seeing where these benefits come from exactly you just have a little sizer on you that's like oh but it's like an it's like an apple watch but it's like you know the the one that tells you to like breathe more or whatever which i can't fucking stand that thing yeah one time he told me it looks like you're working out and i was literally frantically searching the glendale galleria for the mongolian barbecue place and and it told me that i was fucking oh it looks like you're working out i was like why don't you shut

up fucking so judgmental excuse you'd be like great did my watch that i worked out today so nobody come for me exactly yeah looks like you're working out it's what do you got peeling an orange seems like you're out of breath are you okay yeah what is something you think is overrated oh dude pregnancy pregnancy is overrated dude right now me and francesca are four weeks three weeks now away from having our first child oh and i think that you know from all the books i've read from all the like you know classes we've taken, they're just like, man, pregnancy is hard. And I'm like, no, I'm chilling. Wow, Matt. I mean, it's been fairly easy for me.

And I don't even know why. I guess I'm just built different. How's Francesca doing? I don't know. I haven't checked in with her in a bit. She's probably good. She's actually peeling an orange for me right now. Because I find it a little bit she's probably good she's actually peeling an orange for me right now because i find it a little bit practically searching the glendale galleria

for mongolian barbecue right now so i don't know i'll text though oh my god no uh pregnancy i think raising children is overrated too you know people keep saying oh man that man, they change your life and stuff. And I'm like, I mean, what, for like six weeks? And then they learn to sleep and then they get a job and then they start podcasting. You sound ready, man. You sound ready. As someone with children, you can attest to the fact that it's super easy.'s a six week commitment seven maybe sometimes if things don't go according to plan but after that you just kind of go back to

your old routine and right they're on autopilot you know i love it when the kids drive themselves to preschool yeah it's great proud day for every parent i love that when they drive themselves straight to their pediatrician and they're just like give me my allergy shot please you know it is so just all consuming and different that i i truly think like the whole thing with 18 to 34 being the demographic where they, that they target, like the average age that people have children is 35, I think. Is that right? Yeah. I think they're just like, after that, you're just like no longer. Yeah.

You're not buying anything for yourself anymore. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're done. We're done trying to reach you. Yeah. They're like, no, ads don't work on you anymore because you're too burnt out. Yeah. But anyways, yeah, it sounds like you're ready.

Yeah, I'm ready for this, man. It's just been easy breezy, you know? I actually, in all seriousness, Francesca is probably the most badass pregnant person I've ever seen. Like, the fact that she has is still doing stand up and stuff like people, you know, Ali Wong did a special where she, you know, like two specials where she was pregnant. And we have friends like Jenna Friedman is just did one. And I remember thinking, you know, at the time, like, uh, you know, damn, that's, uh, that's pretty crazy. But now I'm like, not as pregnant as Francesca. Francesca is way more pregnant than all them.

And she is still, she's still doing great. You know, she's still, she's still doing shows. Yeah. She's up there crushing it. Um, and yeah, it's because we need the money. But if you look at it without the capitalist critique, it's really inspirational. And again, it makes it easy on you. Yeah.

She's just out there making money. I'm like, dude, I just stay unemployed. I got this new video game about a cat. It's great. It's fun. It's great, dude. It's a stray cat just going around. It's called Stray.

It's cute. I make it meow. That's adorable. What is something you think is underrated? I would say The Wire. The Wire is underrated. A lot of people say it's the best show ever made. And I feel like that's not fair because it's the best show ever made, and I feel like that's not

fair because it's the best art ever done. Oh, wow. You're really elevating it. It's been a long time. I don't know why I'm not re-watching it. I need to re-watch it because I watched it. Same. I was like, that's better than any novel I've read, right? Yes.

That's so good. It's better than you remember it which is like i think the most amazing thing about it because when you start the first like time you watch it it really does feel like the stuff that's interesting about it is like all the the drug dealing that's happening the kind of like uh the way that the relationships between like different dealers and different gangs kind of like blossoms and explodes and all that it's like it's all the like cool cool stuff that you're watching at the first the first time meanwhile all of like the you know i would say more than 50 of the show is just a bunch of white guys in a room like talking about something.

And they all sound like Charlie Brown's teacher. And you're just like, I don't know what the fuck they're talking about. And then when you watch it, when you rewatch it, all of that like boring, like bureaucracy is like, oh, that's the best. Give me more. Give me more feckless bureaucrats who just desperately don't want to do their jobs. It's like, it's weird how much more you gain every time you watch that show. Yeah, the first time I watched that show,

I was like 19, maybe. And I was definitely all about the, mostly for me, it was like about the race relations. Yeah, the police, look at them terrible people but then if you watch it later too the way it ages first of all it's like okay the show has had like incredible foresight into how we're going to be living under you know the government's watchful eye like way early it would predicting things super early and it also you know i rewatch a lot of shows and the cringe factor on the wire is very low as compared to something like state of the

sopranos you're like oh no we don't we don't want to go into this territory it's weird yeah the wire holds up yeah it becomes more relevant every year because all of the like systemic problems that they're talking about, none of them have been addressed by society and, and they've all just gotten progressively worse. So there are things that you think in that show that are like, Oh, that,

that seems a little overboard, you know, uh, especially like the way, I mean the last season, I'm not going to ruin it for people who haven't seen it. But like the way that the police act, maybe in 2002, you would be like, oh, wow, this is I don't know, this is showing them in kind of a bad light. And now you're just like, oh, no, this is literally way more tame than they actually are yeah they came back i mean it should be noted the makers of the wire came back and sort of updated yeah with a limited

series called we own this city that is all about the police quitting in response to the freddy gray protests right and right being like we're not leaving our squad cars because fuck you. Right. For criticizing us. Right. And it showed how this like gun task force, the gun trace task force in the city were literally just doing Omar's job in the wire, which is just like just ripping and running, just robbing drug dealers, stealing their guns, planting evidence, killing people all with impunity. And, uh,

it's, it's amazing. Cause you're like the wire is this fictionalized account and is like, wow, that's, that's pretty dark. We own the city is real. And based on the actual reporting that happened and it's so much worse than the wire the big difference is

that the police are much much worse than yes you know for the wire they had to like find the humanity and the police and right give them fun stories and right and sometimes it can like veer into what you might perceive as like oh is this is this copaganda? But then when you realize that like the problem, the thing with systemic problems is that it takes people who might have like the best of intentions. Like there are cops on that show with the best of intentions and shows that no matter the intention,

you're going to be actively participating in an evil institution. So it's like, it's not copaganda if you kind of take the broad view and go well look at these guys look at what they actually end up accomplishing fucking nothing i don't think there's anybody who watches this show and is like you know what yeah yeah not a good person anyway you got you'd really have to side eye that person and be like oh no first time I actually watched the show is back when I was like an addict and in active addiction. And I remember thinking to myself, like, man, maybe I should like maybe I should like apply because I saw these like posters in Oakland when I was living out there. I should apply to be like an Oakland PD officer because then I could steal drugs for a living.

Yeah, you have so much access to drugs. Oh my God. Yeah. Literal thought I had me as a drug addict going like, oh, I could be a cop. Best way to drive under the influence with impunity. Yeah. They're always just like drinking beers, driving around. They're always drinking and driving.

They'll definitely get you off, you know. Yeah. Go to court and be like, oh no, judge. He's a good guy. We got him. you off, you know? Oh, yeah. Be like, oh, no, judge. He's a good guy. We got it. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah.

And it, like, takes the premise of, like, you know, the thin blue line or whatnot. You know, cops, like, having each other's back. And it kind of flips it on its head a little because it's like, yeah, cops will have your back unless you do fucking anything to fuck with your bosses your bosses will destroy you if you try to do like right it's like the military yes exactly exactly and you know on the copaganda front i i do think that is maybe the thing that they had the hardest time with in making the wire and i i personally think the best seasons are four which i think a lot of people say that four is the best season but uh that that's the one that's about the school it's about the school system and yeah school system to fucking prison pipeline essentially like the cop who is the

protagonist for the first three seasons or like one of the main protagonists just like is in that for one 15 minute scene right exactly yeah and then season two which is specifically about the docs is also one of my favorite episodes or favorite seasons and that one's that one you know upon first watch i know so many people stuck on season two of the wire because they watch it and they're like oh what now we're in this we're dealing with these white Polish dock workers? What happened to the Barksdale organization, the selling drugs and the PJs? That's what I'm here for.

And when you watch that season again, you realize that, like I said, all that stuff you thought was boring becomes the most fascinating because you're just seeing, you know, the way that the, you know, the destruction of unions, the destruction of, uh, you know, the de-industrialization of the, of working class and working class neighborhoods in Baltimore or anywhere leads to people finding other means to, uh, feed their families. The city doesn't do anything

to not encourage it because why would they? It's good stuff. It's great. Just talking about this made me extra passionate that everybody needs to go watch the water. It's the best show. It's the best show. It's a great work

of sociology and also a great work of like drama and there's catchphrases it's it's a show with you know mcnulty's catchphrase what the fuck did i do and then you know there's a senate state senator clay davis goes she so like if you're someone who loves catchphrases yeah watch the wire yeah well one of the greats uh all right let's take a quick break we'll come back and talk about Johnson & Johnson. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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they've kind of done an investigation into this and turns out johnson and johnson and the industry at large has kind of known that this was happening for a long time, since the 60s and 70s. It wouldn't be quite right to say they ignored the risk for years because they actually paid lobbyists, one who was making $4.5 million a year, who were going to come back to that guy, to help fight attempts by fda to limit the amount of asbestos in their baby powder so carcinogen in baby powder limit it don't take it all out but just you know have like a just a little bit of asbestos as a tree yeah and it really is the this piece is kind of eye-opening about how the U.S. citizens are uniquely unprotected when it comes to being abused and killed by corporations for profit. In this case, the FDA and government organizations are just so vastly underfunded compared to these massive industry lobbying firms. So just a quote from the article,

the responsibility for regulating the $85 billion cosmetics industry falls to the FDA's division of cosmetics, which has 30 employees and an annual budget of less than $10 million. Oh, my God. Oh, Lord. And then when you compare how... How much that lobbyist got paid. you got paid half that half of the FDA's entire budget. And that was one lobbyist. They have entire cities of lobbyists working on making whatever they do as profitable as possible without any regard for the customers of the you know, what happens, the ethics of the situation. It's all just sweeping shit under the rug. When you look at the results of what that budget mismatch results in, so in other countries, more than 80 countries from the United Kingdom to Cambodia to Myanmar have enacted stronger cosmetics regulations than the United States. And whereas some countries' regulators have banned more than 2,400 cosmetics ingredients

from parabens to formaldehyde, the FDA has banned or restricted fewer than a dozen. Wow. Wow. I mean, it's just like, you get to a point with the FDA where you're just like, I'm not sure if you can justify having a building that, you know, that you go to work in every day, you know, like cut a little bit of the excess fat on rent and just put that towards having more people to do regulation. Or properly fund them in the first place. Oh, well, that super maddening i think especially when it's kind of so clear just as like an average consumer people are like eager to purchase you know japanese sweets or sweets from the uk because they actually make sure that you're not eating just processed junk all the time like glass thought

and consideration very little formaldehyde in british chocolate for some reason it's really strange oh it also wouldn't check all the body so i i'm making the argument this is the most american story i've ever read oh absolutely it it wouldn't check all the american boxes if it didn't involve human caging and j andJ tested baby powder and baby shampoo on prisoners in Philadelphia, both by giving them little cuts and putting the products in there or dripping baby shampoo directly into their eyes. Oh, great. What? I'd love to hear that.

They tested it like that? That's how they tested it and paid them like small small amounts of money like criminally small money congratulations and thank you but it's been proven that it gets worse yeah it's been proven that johnson and johnson knew talc probably caused cancer the article repeats these stories where a tumor is found they biopsy it they find that the tumor has talc in it has talc in the tumor and johnson johnson and the industry is repeatedly like yeah your sample was corrupted sorry we yeah just like that happens repeatedly they find talc in the tumor they say your sample is corrupted yeah no that's on you that's on you that's there's no way that it could be our delicious talcum powder filled with asbestos.

Yes. There are internal documents where somebody who's pretty high up is like, hey, this actually doesn't really make financial sense at this point because we are going to get sued. It does look like this causes cancer. Let's switch to cornstarch, which is cheaper and basically as effective. And then nobody like replies to that. And instead, like the next thread is all about like them doubling down on marketing it to black people, overweight people and women. Yeah. Here's some fun stuff NPR reported on. being sued by like the delegation of negro women that show like 60 of black women used baby powder in 2006 as opposed to 30 of the overall population which is nuts they wanted to market to southern

u.s people for the curvy southern woman and considered signing patty labelle or aretha franklin as spokespeople which is just so frustrating i mean and they went after people they systematically usually cannot file lawsuits right for financial purposes they went exactly after a population that was you know like oh they'll die and it'll be fine because no one will blame us or their lives aren't valued in the United States. They specifically, when you talk about the, like how popular it is in black communities, they specifically went to market it at churches, like give it, doing giveaways at churches to like reach that demographic. lawsuits that some of them the johnson and johnson has lost like they don't lose all of them because they have of course just massive massive legal teams that are able to you know just shoot holes in all these things and claim the samples are corrupted or whatever you know just call into question the idea of dna evidence you know that sort of shit. Or reality. Right, or reality.

What do we know about anything, really? Yeah, exactly. What the bleep do we know? You know, quantum physics, that shit. So the other thing, they did this thing where they created a new company that they then, like, made responsible for all of the lawsuits and legal liability.

And then that company declared bankruptcy. Bonson and Bonson is responsible for all of the lawsuits and legal liability and then that company declared bankruptcy bonson and bonson is responsible for basically they like put on a mask and yeah it's it makes the idea of lee it's called the texas two-step in legal circles and it basically makes the idea of legal liability useless it was started by the coke brothers in their company so you know it's good but god didn't you think they had just like a little evil boardroom where they get together and they're just like you got any more um scams that will harm the world and they're like yeah i got a few more straight up that is what that is what most like that is what most jobs are in the United States. It's not just that there's an evil boardroom.

It is that that is where people make their money. That is the money behind wealthy people. And when you don't know where the wealthy people's money is coming from, there's usually a good reason for that. But so what they do is they created that new company to like, you know, hold all the legal liability. And then that company Fall Guy Inc.

will take those. Essentially, that company then declares bankruptcy. And so, you know, Johnson & Johnson is in the,

with respect to these lawsuits is technically bankrupt if this goes through. Meanwhile, their most recent quarterly report shows $24 billion in sales, but they can continue to kill people with impunity. repeatedly over and over and over again found for you know corporations having more rights than human beings man and in this case finding for corporations to be able to sell a product called baby powder that causes cancer fuck me yeah but i do So I want to go back to that original lobbyist who came on in the 70s when they were first seeing this possibility that this was a bad thing for them and that they might be in trouble. They hired this lobbying firm. conglomerate of like lobbyists that this person came together and like became the head of and he you know came up with all these ingenious legal strategies to make it so corporations could poison women's reproductive organs and other other shit that that person's name who's making four and a

half million dollars a year to do you know literally the devil's work was E. Edward Cavanaugh. And when he would come home from his job of helping these companies poison people with impunity, his son would be lifting weights in the garage with a squeak and Tobin because his son was Brett Cavanaugh. God fucking... So it's a wrap. It's a

effing wrap. That is... Oh, man. This family has to... This family has to come and answer some questions. Kavanaugh, I say. Nah to Kavanaugh.

Can we just Oh Oh I'm not going to say anything That will get me in trouble But Just like a line of evil Like how many generations Of evil are we talking here

This is What did his dad do That's a great question Was he part of that whole like group of people who tried to take over the united states in world war ii right the business plot yeah there you go tried to hire snidely whiplash to uh what was that guy's name it wasn't snidely whiplash but that's something yeah it was something close to that. They tried to hire a general to overthrow FDR because they thought he was too hard on businesses. But we actually don't know if they're related to that person or not. But it is, you know, that he gets paid absurd amounts of money, makes all these connections and i do think like not only is it just nepotism of him being extremely wealthy getting to send his son to the best private schools but also he is doing dirt behind

the scenes for very powerful people he knows where the bodies are buried and therefore that like i think it's underrated how much that goes into it is by being like a team player who knows where the bodies is buried maybe helped you bury some of those bodies uh or was the architect of like your your plot to just bury bodies all over america you know that that adds extra stuff like that adds extra credit to your name like there's a theory out there you know george hw bush was hadn't really like done much with the cia before he became the head of the cia but what he like the only mention of his name in association with the cia was on the day JFK was killed. Like, they were like, we have a man in Dallas, George Bush, who, like, was somehow involved.

And so, like, that always kind of added some extra texture to just his whole story. And, like, the people who do help you get away with the worst stuff then get to be the most powerful people or their kids get to be the most powerful people. And now this person who helped Johnson and Johnson literally like poison the ovaries of women is now has now, you know, become a Supreme Court justice and is regulating and systemically dismantling protections for women's health. Yeah. It's like, you know, if you're willing to do dirt to, you know, help big business. Yeah. You can make it really far in America.

You know, they they love that. They love they love a good team player. Yeah. And. They love that. They love a good team player. And, uh, oh. Yeah, messy. The only thing I could find on Edward Sr. is that he went to Yale and Brett Kavanaugh perjured himself when he said he had no connection to Yale because he was, in fact, a legacy. Of course. E. Edward Kavanaugh Sr.?

Yeah, Grandpa Kavanaugh. yeah yeah grandpa grandpa kavanaugh oh grab his grandpa got it yeah because his dad is junior got it okay yeah so that's something to keep an eye on is whether the supreme court allows this texas two step thing because once they do it's really not safe for anyone in the United States because corporations will be able to kill us with impunity and no liability. And yeah, I mean, right now, Johnson & Johnson, like I said, their most recent quarterly report shows $24 billion in sales. They've declared bankruptcy and are essentially off the hook for all the people they're killing. And one woman a day has died waiting to find out if their case against the company would ever be

heard. So super good. Super good. I looked up to see if I could boycott Johnson and Johnson. The answer is yes, you obviously could, but with difficulty. They own Tylenol. but with difficulty. They own Tylenol. They own Tylenol Band-Aids. That is essential to my being. They own stuff. Avino, the best discount lotion you can buy. I know.

This is devastating. They do Avino? My skin loves Avino. I know. It's good. It's good stuff, unfortunately. God damn it. All right.

See, this is why I do a TV rewatch podcast, man, because it's so goddamn depressing oh man i find it invigorating though but like it's they're so openly bad like it is what you think when you're a kid and you're like there's bad guys and good guys and then you come around and like they teach you oh it's actually you know pretty complicated and right then you learn more and you're like no it's actually not yeah there are bad guys there yeah i remember so i started watching the new lord of the rings show and uh and then i re-watched the lord of the rings movies and i've heard some people's critiques of lord of the rings in general as being like kind of like

not it's just war for the sake of good versus evil there's no like you know it's not about a particular power struggle you know for a throne like game of thrones it's not about like um you know it doesn't get in depth as to right understanding the main motivation is evil is evil right yeah like why are the orcs evil over here. Why are the orcs the way that they are? Why is, you know, Sauron the way he is? But then, you know, in rewatching it, I just realized, I was like, no, but that's because there are orcs.

There are ghouls. And they do run things. They do run things. That's the thing. We do need to all band together and destroy Morgoth and Sauron and Saruman. Yeah. All right.

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missing out because i just have this bias against TV, like down to the frame rate, just down to like what TV looks like versus what movies look like. I will give a movie more weight than I will TV just like off the job, even though I've watched The Wire and been like, that's better than any movie I've ever seen. I still will get excited when a movie is coming out. Don't really get excited for a new TV show coming out. Yeah.

Here you go caping for big movie again. But I freely admit I'm wrong. Or probably I'm wrong. You're wrong. So there's this new Star Wars series, Andor. It dropped.

It drops today, I guess, as you're listening to this. And according to Diego Luna, who is the star, it's kind of like a very long movie, which I think has connoted a level of class in the past. But critics are starting to be like, hey, that's not good. Yeah. That might not be a good thing. Yeah. You don't really want that i mean they tried that with the godfather saga and it didn't work out good did you guys ever watch the

godfather saga no okay so i mean like parts one two and three or it's no it was it was they decided to make the godfather into a tv friendly edition by taking one and two, this is before three came out, and putting it in chronological order. Oh. And then basically making it episodic. That's a fun editing assignment. It's a fun editing assignment, but when you watch it, you're like,

oh, you've ruined it. That's not... The pacing and the tension. The pacing is wrong. I mean, Godfather 2 works because you go back and forth in time. It's like, are you crazy? Yeah, no, you don't... Movies and TV are actually two very different mediums.

And to be like, oh, man, you know what we should do is make a real... That's like saying a miniser series is just a long movie because you can watch it in one sitting it's like no it's not what a not what a movie is like if your episodes do not have an arc and you're like well that's because it's a really long movie it's like well okay then that's not a show yeah yeah no i totally agree there's i mean there's so much to consider when you're looking at the two art forms i think no one would stand for a 10-hour movie because you'd be exhausted by it because a film almost by definition is supposed to move more quickly than that like you the case of events you're by rule of thumb you're entering as late as possible

and entering as quickly i was right you're entering as late as possible and leaving as quick as possible like you're not supposed to be spending extended amounts of time with these characters usually you're like looking at one theme it's can be character driven but mostly what you're trying to do is get like encapsulate a moment or an event and explore that and then get out that's that's what a movie is about television is all about like you know loving the characters and the journey it's supposed to be an extended piece of media and you know before streaming which i think is when a lot of this became muddled it was supposed to be you know serialized and that

you're coming back every week to enjoy you know this thing again you get a week of time between screenings to contemplate and dive into the thoughts of it and and like hypothesize about what's happening next like it's a whole active experience even after the show ends and that's something that film you might talk about a film but you're not like what happened next if the movie is good uh you're like okay that's the end so i think trying to conflate it and also i think cheapens television which is really frustrating to me as somebody who really enjoys tv loves writing television and screening it like to constantly be like it's not tv it's a movie it's like okay this is not hbo and it's not the 90s we can evolve this idea

that television which is out of its golden era like we lived through this huge balloon of like oh tv can be prestige yeah we came out of that being like oh well we want to make movies and make a damn movie what are you doing here this is tv space it's weird yeah calling it calling something you know oh you know that tv show is just like a is a very long movie is just kind of an insult to tv shows that are just like no we're a TV show and we're better than your movie. You know what I mean? Like people, I think it's a way of saying like, movies are better than TV.

So if you watch this TV show, it's more like you're seeing a film. And it's like, man, fuck off. It's a TV show. We all know what TV shows are. You can't lie to me. That has been the belief within the film and tv industries right is that like you have to level up two movies from tv for for a long time

and they're only now coming back around to the idea of tv being worthwhile but it but they're doing it kicking and screaming and i feel like this is one of those kicks and screams is like diego luna being like uh yeah this is like actually like don't think of me as a tv actor because this is actually more of a movie strange to me because like brian cranson really kicked down that door with breaking bad right you know brian you were like oh this guy you could put him up against any actor and he's going to perform beautifully it doesn't matter truly the material and what you see after that is like a slosh of movie stars being like oh i love to do tv we got regular ass hours just come and go perfect like i would i

would like to do that and it's like it's weird to me because it's like you have people have already forgotten about fargo a series that constantly brings in a new, very talented film actor to lead a season of television and has done so beautifully. You have, like, your Olivia Colman's of the world who constantly just flip back and forth. She doesn't care where she lands. She's just looking for an interesting role. I don't understand, you know, acting is a profession, but you can do it on stage or in the street or in a movie or on television. on stage or in the street or in a movie or on television like there's no limit to where you can perform but there is a limit to how you can structure a television series even if you're looking at you know an instant binge stream versus your weekly like network thing you still need a

pilot which still has a pretty strict formula or set of rules so you're trying to achieve which is different than your three-act structure of a film and so again just to try to conflate these two things as being the same or to diminish one by trying to be the other i think you're seeing i kind of think this is what took us out of the golden age of television because people got too excited about being prestige they forgot like oh we're making tv yeah right exactly i mean it's just you know once they started realizing like you know you had these like premium cable channels that were just like oh we're not we're not doing this for the ad break so that means we can really

focus on just the content just making making it good and, you know, well-filmed and well-thought-out. And that was, I think, you know, that brought us into, like, this golden age of television. And then now, because we're flooded with all streaming services having their original content.

And when, Jack, when you talk about the frame rate, I agree with you. When I watch a Netflix original series, I'm just like, why does this look like trash? content and when jack when you talk about the frame rate uh i i agree with you when i watch a netflix original series i'm just like why does this look like trash i don't understand why this looks weird like some of it looks fine but it just some of it just feels like they they all use the same goddamn camera and just pass it around they actually do yeah netflix has like really strict i mean they do they have strict rules about which kind of cameras you can use because they're streaming and

they are foreseeing the 8K revolution. Their thought process is you need to be filming with these types of cameras and you need to have these kinds of shots. It's almost a network Bible as opposed to a show Bible which does create a lot of homogeny and I think Netflix should change that.

Yeah, but yeah, because of how homogeneous all of the shows look, you've gotten to the point now where I feel like movies being a separate thing, being like, oh, movies are like back to, in a way, being like, I think more, I don't know, it's looked at as more prestigious than television I mean it always was but I feel like now the idea of being like we're not just another streaming show

no we're a streaming show that's a movie streaming show we're movie the TV show watch us it's great it's like seeing Titanic over and over again We're movie, the TV show. Watch us. It's great. It's like seeing Titanic over and over again. Well, not to be too capitalist about it, but I also think post-pandemic is having an effect on all of this because theaters are opening back up and they really, really need people to come see movies.

And what you're seeing is a very distinct uh effort to elevate films you know a lot of people are being choosier about which films are going to green light you have you know your billion dollar blockbusters we're really leaning into action post-pandemic bring back the rom-com i say oh yeah i think i think especially disney if we look at what they're trying to do with star wars and marvel is trying to capture that in television as a way to tide you over in between film releases i think it's an effective overall strategy particularly for that fan base but i also think you know television has that instant accessibility in your home that makes it, I know there's something about the element of time and being able to like pace it at your own leisure as opposed to spending a lot of money for an event on a giant screen. the balance between these two different venues and how do we service audiences who have sort of come to get the same level of special effects and performance that you could get in a theater in

their home what is now our dividing factor for these two services and i don't really know what the answer to that is just yet i think it's going to come down to storytelling and i think what we're going to want to see more on screen are like larger emotional moments you know so yes the giant actions yes your big rom-com swing sort of like we had in the 90s you're i'm envisioning a return of comedy duos just because typically in times of um depression not thank you in times of depression we reach we return to comedies that's what we're like as a people uh in times of hopelessness yeah exactly and what we'll get at home is you know much more like a a slew of like more nuanced slow-paced journeys which i sort of think is how it has to be but But I don't know. I really don't like inflating the two. Yeah.

I would love it if we got the return of comedy duos and that, and, and where the entire goal was just to be funny. I do feel like there's been one of the big downsides of prestige TV has been the comedy that is mostly drama. Yeah. And like, sometimes it's perfect like barry and sometimes

i'm just like oh why is this why is this called a comedy it is this is not this is just a bunch of therapists crying you know and it's just like there are just some shows that i just can't it's like i don't want abbott and costello to be like who's on first and he's just like my bipolar disorder right and it's like come on man i think comedy is at a good place and in movies my favorite comedian is the rock and i think that like those are some great comedy i so i'm gonna say something that's going to get people mad. Oh, fun. Oh,

but I do. How are you guys both watching the Lord of the Rings series? Yes, I am, but I haven't seen the latest episode. I neither have I. I've only, I'm,

I'm like 10 minutes into the second episode. I'm having, I just want to preface this by saying like it, not only do I have like a movie bias, I, I have a teen wolf shaped lens that I watch every, every entertainment through because I like watch team wolf when I was very young.

Right. And now I watch it so young that like all, everything else is built on top of that. And I still, I still watch teen wolf and I have no notes. I'm like, no, that's,

that's a great movie. That's so like, I'm an idiot notes. I'm like, no, that's a great movie. I'm an idiot. I don't have good taste in movies or anything. You're watching Lord of the Rings and you're like, hmm, needs more Teen Wolf. Needs more breakdancing Teenage Lord of the Rings.

You're watching Schindler's List. I didn't see any wolves playing basketball. I'm wondering and i'm not like articulate enough to like figure out what my issue is but i'm really having a hard time making my way through lord of the rings even though everything on screen is like impressive and like the acting seems good and the effects seem amazing and And it's really thoroughly imagined and it has cool stuff. And I'm just like, there's something. And I am wondering, this story,

which was submitted by our writer, JM, made me wonder if it has something to do with the pacing, which is something I'm not great at picking up on. I mean, my initial thought is that you're watching it and you're just furious because you're like, elves can't be black. That's definitely Jack's first thought. Yeah, that's your first reaction.

No, I actually understand where you're coming from. I personally, the reason I love the show is because I love Lord of the Rings. I love the books. I love the lore. All of it is fascinating to me.

So as I'm watching it, you know, I'm like, I'm watching on more of a nerd level than I think like a regular viewer. But I felt the same way about the movies. And to be honest, I don't understand why the general public liked the movies either. Because the movies are also incredibly nerdy they're like

you know the tolkien's use of language is so like it's so fantasy that it's like i could see it being completely inaccessible to most people i was surprised that people liked lord of the rings because i was like they speak elvish for like half of it and it's and it's it's literally people with pointy ears just you know being like we must destroy the ring like for me i'm a little nerd kid so i'm like yeah we gotta destroy the ring you're evil yeah but like i don't know i don't know about um like why anyone who's normal would have liked it so i can't i can't answer that i don't know i i the reason you don't like it is probably because it's uh it's not enough teenage werewolves there's not

enough teenage werewolves and because it's very nerdy maybe i don't know uh people liked the original for a couple of reasons their names are vigo mortensen live tyler and elijah wood that's what they came for and it was good and let's be Orlando Bloom I forgot that hottie was in it too yeah it's just stacked with hotties he played lego land yeah I think a lot of the issues for the tv series it's dense jack like I would give yourself some grace in that it is extremely dense television material it's not in any way handing you or even like just holding your hand and guiding you through the story like i think a lot of pilots do which is good not downing that at all i think you know how to say so i think some pilots like i'm too stupid and we're gonna get some are easier to digest than others and i think a lot of times again when we're in our living rooms

on our very comfortable couches that we bought specifically for their comfort yeah you know we're in our cozy space we're just trying to chill and watch some good stories and you know a good pilot is like here's a very easy guide to like here are the characters here are the stakes enjoy this story is all like here's a bunch of philosophy yeah maybe that's a bad guy or maybe he's a lost traveler we don't know you'll find out it's a little chaotic in here it took two viewings for me to be like okay i'm pretty sure i understand everyone's like basic motive it's dense i'll just say that it's not it's not kickback watching. It requires your full attention, which is not something everyone's trying to do when they're on the couch. And it is a slow burn, I think, before you get to some of the more, I don't know, accessible human stuff. You know, once they, I mean, I love hobbits. I'm a big hobbit guy. When I see hobbits on screen, I'm like, fuck yeah love hobbits i'm a big hobbit guy when i see hobbits on screen i'm like fuck yeah

hobbits so and i think people like hobbits in general like the general public likes them because they are relatable um so home and hearth people for sure yeah so i i think the show once it gets a little more hobbit heavy i think people will enjoy it more. Yeah. But I love the charming little touches and the villages and the like origami boats that turn into a big set. I love like the little touches. It's like the main thrust of the story. I'm just like, yeah, yeah, I feel you.

But like, yeah, the dwarves are coming in the back half of episode two and they are freaking delightful they're fantastic yeah if you haven't you've gotten there yet then it starts it does start picking up but i i'll admit most of my excitement comes from wanting to see people that i know from both lord of the rings and from like the cimmerillion so i I'm, I'm just, uh, I will say, yeah,

I'm excited for that. To the point about like things being paced as TV versus movies versus like, I think game of Thrones was at its best when it was paced, like based on what, what was happening in the novels. And like, they weren't able to just like run off and be like, okay,

now we need a big battle at the end of the, this season. And so we're going to have to make it so that he can run across the country on foot in order to get there for the bet. You know, they just kind of stuck with whatever pacing the novels dictated. And that that felt better to me than towards the end where it felt like they got more into somewhat generic tv pace right and having to you know they also had to wrap things up so they felt like they the audience was craving big battles and they made a choice to do eight episodes in a final season like some dumb asses when you had at least 10 episodes worth of drama to adequately wrap up and then

you spent the first three just at winterfell a lot of terrible decisions were made yeah yeah it was a perfect storm i mean also come on the long night is one episode i mean come on wow it's not a very long the killing what was this premonition about in the first place? What's even going on? We're just going to do away with all of the mysticism. Just none of the where are my first children? What's going down? They're just like, forget about it.

We're done. Alright, we could then talk about this for an hour and a half. We'll have to cut it there. Matt, truly a pleasure as always having you. Where can people find you and follow you? You can find me, uh,

on Instagram at Matt lead jokes and, uh, yeah, follow me there. And, uh, please check out pod yourself, the wire or pod yourself a gun,

or don't check it out and just give us those five stars in a review and just press play and mute it because, you know, I need it. I need it. All right. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying yes this tweet i think is from yesterday or a couple days ago from comedian uh andrea moore at a more or less on twitter porn has completely lost the plot i was watching a video where the premise was a girl gets fucked by her stepfather while her stepmother is in the next room.

How does someone have a stepmother and a stepfather? I love that. And then you just try to imagine like why, what the, just the confluence of events that would lead to you being raised by two strangers yeah and joelle as always so great having you as guest hosts uh where can people find you and what's the tweet you've been enjoying thanks for having me back super fun as always uh you guys know me you can find me all over the internet agile monique it's J-O-E-L-L-E M-O-N-I-Q-U-E Rebecca

Weatherspoon who is a fantastic romantic novelist those are words Beyonce posted a video congratulating her church on like it's 30th anniversary it's very sweet beautiful blah blah blah whatever Rebecca and all of Beyonce's

fans now think she's pregnant it's a face up video her whatever rebecca and all of beyonce's fans now think she's pregnant it's a face-up video her face is real round we don't have no choreography for this new album yet so rebecca tweets this woman is pregnant and we ain't getting a look at choreography until 2024 i would scream beyonce but my brother edits this and i don't want to hear about it so beyonce please come back i don't know what's happening like just give us some information we're lost in a sea of a great album i listen to it at least once a day but it's not enough i need a video i need a tour date give me something please please don't be pregnant girl we can't lose you for another year video is actually less of a video

more of a movie a video length movie so that's what's happening there you know what i love about this tv show because it's like a movie, yeah. You know, you watch a TV show and you go, I wish this was a movie. And it was. Right. You know what I love about Beyonce? She's like a movie. All right.

Tweet I've been enjoying at TheBunkQueen tweeted, RIP to everyone killed by the gods for their hubris, but I'm different and better. Maybe even better than the gods. And Carly Tennis tweeted, Tonight's to-do list. Hunk, shoe, hunk, me, me, me, me. And they're listed out in list form. I realized after I started the tweet that that wasn't going to come across. That was okay.

We got it. Hunk, shoe, hunk, shoe. Hunk, shoe, and hunk, me, me, me, me, me. Me, me. No, it's okay. It's good. We got it. Honk, shoo, honk, shoo. Honk, shoo, and honk, me, me, me, me, me, me. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes

and our footnotes. Footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles is out. Super producer Justin, do you have a rec? I do have a rec. This is a duo from the UK who I've recommended before called Jadu Hearts.

This is a song called Harry Brompton's Ice Tea. It is so smooth. Just chill back and listen to some sweet harmonies and have a nice afternoon. Put this on. It's called Harry Brompton's Ice Tea by Jadu Heart.

J-A-D-U-H-E-A-R-T and you can find that in the footnotes. Amazing. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio visit the iHeartRadio app apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows that is going to do it for us this morning back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and

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