The Daily Zeitgeist - Bad Press = Bad Press, Renner-sance Over? 9.19.19

Episode Date: September 19, 2019

In episode 477, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and Bechdel Cast co-host Jamie Loftus to discuss a new edge lord fashion brand, a shadowy industry group that shapes food policy, the Jeremy Renner app and Amazon store, why SNL hired Shane Gilles in the first place, and more! FOOTNOTES:1. As School Shootings Continue to Terrorize the Nation, a Fashion Label Callously Capitalizes on Tragedy2. A Shadowy Industry Group Shapes Food Policy Around the World3. I Broke The Official Jeremy Renner App By Posting The Word "Porno" On It4. Jeremy Renner and the New Walled Garden of Celebrity5. Jeremy Renner’s career trajectory reads like a game of Mad Libs6. Jeremy Renner Is Wonderfully Bad at Pretending to Go Camping7. ‘SNL’ Sought Conservative Appeal With Shane Gillis Hire8. WATCH: CARIBOU - The Spiritually Immature Mansion Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports.

Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 100, Episode 4 of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist! A production of iHeart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck coke industries and fuck Fox News. It's Thursday, September 19, 2019.

My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. When You Wake Up. Well, we know we're gonna be. We're gonna be the podcast that you're listening to. When you go out. Yeah, we know we're gonna be. We're gonna be the podcast you're listening to. If you get drunk. Well, we know we're gonna be we're gonna be the podcast

that gets drunk next to you and well it'll have her up we know cast 500 more just to be the men who cast a thousand pods to keep the zeitgeist at your door. All right. Courtesy of Rich Jefferson. A long walk for that. A long walk. Jefferson, a long walk for that. A long walk. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Side gang in my skin

Second rate appeal Buns are what I roll Taco Bell every meal. Really making you guys work for it. First of blood, that's on your eye. We call that Biden-ing.

Yeah, my mom's eye is Biden-ing. Yeah, his pupil's Biden-ed. Thank you so much to CuboneFan3 for that one. Yes, just keep these going. Someone did say they to QBoneFan3. For that one, yes, just keep these going. Someone did say they wanted to start hearing Radiohead, aka, maybe

three bands at a time is my max. Maybe we'll get into that. But for now, I would actually know those songs. You don't know Crawling? I don't. I know that song. I just generally don't know. I don't know Nickelback that well. Oh, well, you know, not all of us have traveled to Italy.

You missed the whole Nickelback run. Oh, I've got one. Oh, shit. Someone send me one. How did you get in here? We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the front face, the top face on Mount Zeitmoor. Oh, shit.

Because those are arranged about one on top it's a totem it's the other faces are mere blemishes on your face you're the central face and the other faces are the bun I just you know they're a part of the whole it's Jamie long okay wait let me start the track Okay, wait, let me start the track. Okay. All right. Cut my hair and shave my neck Cause we all just wanna be big hack stars and traps

And ponies to our favorite bots Our ticks are fire and the shots are cheap By the end of this song you'll see an incel weep We're gonna go to the coolest bots With our computers and their newest mods. Every podcaster's going to recod hair. Even my dog, Sonny, with his proud dog hair. Hey, hey, I want to be a Hacksaw.

Woo! Woo! So, yes. Thank you. Thank you. Wow. It was. Wow.

That was beautiful. Thank you. I feel like I should have. It was... Wow. That was beautiful. Thank you. I feel like I should have bought a ticket for that. That was amazing yarling. That was a stadium performance. And also, I could see you have to make your mouth in the proper yarling shape to get those sounds out. There's an embouchure.

There's a whole embouchure for it. Wow. I should have known. Yes, of course. Embouchure is very critical to any woodwind instrument. Yeah. Oh, wow. You get a little buzz still?

Oh, you want a little double rebuzz? You don't have to buzz on oboe, though, do you? No, you don't buzz. You just focus the air, and then they're like, oh, oboe players give whack blowjobs because they blow really hard. I don't know any woodwind that sucks air through. This is... They're like, no, flautists.

It doesn't make any sense. This was all off the assumption that blowjobs involved blowing. Wait, were blowjobs named by someone who had never had one? I like that theory. What is the origin story? Look at that person blowing on that guy's face. I wonder if Alice in Hand again changed the game where people thought flautists, fl flutists were really sexually active.

I don't know. I definitely wanted to be a flute player. But all the cool girls played the flute and all the normal girls played the clarinet. And then everyone else, it was chaos. Hey, you know one thing, you can count alloe players if they're about their shit good with a knife because they make their own reeds dude I was the only kid at school there were three kids at school

who were allowed to bring knives to school and that was the fucking oboe section we were allowed to have knives at school I thought it was like the oboe player and two hall monitors and Steve the janitor sit in class and be like yeah

like a warning well I would be honored to own a hand carved Jamie Loftus oboe reed I still have my knife

so great oh and then my AKA was by Clayton Barnes at Taxi CR so thank you so much

Clayton well done well done mate Jamie it's so good to have you back stateside so good to have you back stateside. It's so good to be back.

We missed you desperately. Us too. There are so many gaps in our Jeremy Renner coverage. I know. It just didn't feel right. Well, we honor you and we honor your place in the lore of Jeremy Renner. I mean, I was stripping nude to Jeremy Renner songs most days. Right.

At this point, what's the count now? 33, 32? I've done it. Yeah, I was stripping nude to Jeremy Renner songs most days. Right. At this point, what's the count now? 33, 32? I've done it. Yeah, I've done it. I did 30 shows. Right. And then I stopped taking off my top eventually because he just didn't deserve it anymore. But, you know, I did a lot of-

Wow, that's kind of a shift. It's been a journey. It's been a real journey. So suffice to say, we're going to have to catch up on all things Renner. Yes. And all things Jamie Loftus, what you've been up to. Yeah. But first we are going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today.

Edgelord Fashion. It's Edgelord Fashion Week. Yeah, man. Yes. Lord Fashion. It's Edge Lord Fashion Week. Yeah, man. Yes! We're gonna talk about food regulations, how that is kind of a, that just doesn't happen in the world these days.

We're gonna talk about a new game that puts you in the shoes of Jeremy Renner on that fateful day. This I'm very excited about. That he had to shut down his app. Mad as fuck. Okay. Gorgeous.

And we're going to talk about SNL's decision to hire that Shane dude in the first place. What was motivating that? Because we have a little more insight into that. And people are freaking out about Netflix canceling a show you may not have heard of. What is it? The OA.

Oh, is that the one with all the... The flash mob dancing? Lights and... Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, no. I'll miss it. People are...

The upset. I loved that show. But first, Jamie, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Oh, shit. I forgot about my search history. Oh, my God. Take her name down off the mountain.

I've been doing a lot of fucking cursed. Let me just take a quick. Ever since I got home, I don't know if I haven't recovered or what is going on. I was Googling veneers this morning because I was trying to figure out where Walton Goggins got his veneers because he doesn't have good veneers. He has iconic.

He's got veneers. They're the best and the worst. When people get their veneers and they're like, no, I want every tooth to be the same length, you're like, okay, that's not good veneer work right do you have an image of what you would like your teeth to look like you hand to him like this is Jim Carrey from the mask just cut a nice plate in half and shove it in my mouth it'll do like I was trying to figure out I'm trying to figure out where people are getting their veneers

because I manically canceled a dentist appointment yesterday because I got scared. So I was like, all right. Wait, what did you get scared? What was scary? Are you going to get veneers? I'm going to. First of all, it is my dream to get veneers. And I know that we're going to talk about SNL today, but we never talk about is the

SNL tooth glow up. So really, when you get booted from SNL, you're mainly missing in on free veneers. Amy Poehler had to sort her shit out. I remember when her tooth glow up occurred really when you get booted from snl you're mainly missing in on yeah amy poehler had to sort her shit out there i mean i remember when she her tooth glow up occurred on that cast i mean pete davidson has pretty bad veneers but i was i'm trying to figure out who are the people can we have a reality show about veneers like so i was looking up uh like the circumstances of walton goggins and i was like why does he need that many veneers? I guess he like got like in an accident and all his teeth got fucked up. And so like back before he had a lot of money.

Oh, so that's why his veneers kind of suck. But then he became famous for having shitty looking veneers and the cycle continues. Did he really get famous for his veneers? I feel like he's also a good performer. Well, as we all know, he's absolutely. Veneer guy? I feel like he's also a good performer. Well, as we all know,

he's absolutely Hey, get that veneer, guys! I feel, okay, I do think that Walton Goggins wouldn't play as many villains if he didn't have veneers. Yeah, well,

it definitely does contribute to his look, for sure. I guess in my mind, I was thinking of like, Walton Goggins, the veneer guy, versus like, there's something about him

that makes him real weird. Yeah. And then I googled why a Swedish theme park that I went to isn't more famous. I became convinced that no one talks about the theme park and it's somehow hidden and something is wrong with it. But it turns out that I guess it wasn't as cool as I thought it was. Oh, really? What was so cool about it that made you ask that question in the first place?

Well, Jack, there was a lot of roller coasters. Wow. A lot? Like a significant Jack, there was a lot of roller coasters. Wow. A lot? Like a significant number? There was a lot. Yeah. And it was like right on the, it was like right near the water.

And there were, there was like the scariest thing I've ever been on where it's like one of those towers where you drop, but this one would like lean you forward. So you're looking at the pavement, like you're jumping off a building. It was terrible. And like all this kid

stuff but like really brutal like imagery of killing and death it was a very metal theme park and i liked it a lot there was a there like the there's a picture of a man with a woman's ass for a nose oh yeah we posted what's the name of the theme park? Grown Alun, it's in Stockholm. There's a toucan with an anatomically correct vagina in their haunted house. Why is that? And human breasts. And human breasts next to a monkey thinking something. It was the scariest, strangest place, and it cost $30 to go to.

I'm going. You gotta go. Sounds metal as fuck. It sounds metal as fuck. It was metal as fuck. Fucking metal. And so those are my searches. Those are good searches. I also like your outrage of sort of like, I mean, people need to know about this.

How is this not talked about? Was it even on a TripAdvisor list? It's not in the top 100. I was like, how is this? How did you find out? Did you stumble upon it? No, I was looking for roller coasters, man. Oh, okay.

I'm a coaster head now. I just got to. Really? Yeah, I was looking for something that would improve my life and my relationship. And a lot of people choose coasters. Okay. It's very wholesome. So you're part of the coaster Nostra now.

Yeah, we're into it, which is a really horrible sentence. Yeah. We're into it. We're into it now. What is something you think is overrated? Okay, I've been collecting these. So I think the top overrated right now is, have you guys, there's not a chance,

but that new Amazon show called Carnival Row? No. Oh, it is overrated in that people watch it wow it is underrated in that it is such a like i don't know like amazon does like weird old people tv a lot but the premise is orlando bloom is a fairy cop right it's kind of like that horrible movie Bright, but steampunk. Oh, yeah. I saw the previews for this and they were like, great special effects. Which is not even true.

It's Orlando Bloom and Cara Delevingne, two people who objectively have never been able to act a day in their lives, just flatlining the entire episode just like absolutely sucking and then and it's trying to like i think pick up some game of thrones scraps where there's a lot of like there's a lot of gratuitous nudity the fairies when they have sex float wow like mormons like exactly like mormons floating but it's about. They're floating? But it's about... Miles, explain what floating is. My buddy who went to University of Utah was telling me about how when...

This is in the early aughts, so I don't know if the nomenclature has changed since then. Okay. I'm old. But on his football team, there are a lot of people who were Mormon but very religious, and there would be debauched parties, and people talk about sex and things like that.

And my buddy, who is not Mormon, was like, what are you? He's like, you're a virgin? He's like, well, yeah, but we float. And he was like, what the fuck is that? And these other dudes were telling him, it is insertion. It's penetration, penis, vaginal penetration, but no pumping. You just dock at the station. And then you float.

That's also a way to have sex. Yeah, right. Exactly. I feel like the lazy person's option. I mean, once you breach the castle wall, isn't the game over at that point? You're in. You can't just be like, I live here. Well, no, there's a difference.

I live here now. That could have been an accident. Right. Wait, is the whole premise that it has something to do with a weird carnival world? I don't understand where carnival comes in. So there's nothing thematically having to do with a carnival? Not that I know of yet. I've only seen the pilot episode, but they're throwing fucking everything at the wall.

So here is the description. With a serial killer loose on Carnival Row and a government that turns a blind eye to the deaths of its lower class citizens fairies uh rye croft phyla straight that's plays rye croft phyla straight a war-hardened investigator is the only person willing to stop the murders and maintain the fragile peace but when vignette stone moss a fairy refugee shows up in the burg she forces philo to reckon with a past he's trying to forget so in the first episode we're supposed to believe that like orlando bloom and cara delavigne want to fuck each other. It does. It is not believable. But Cara Delevingne gets into a boat accident, and she's the only survivor of the boat.

And then they're like, you're arrested for surviving the boat accident for no reason. And then they're like, you're a maid. Survivor's loss. Exactly. Right. It's like when you try and tell if a woman is a witch by, you know. Isn't Phyllis straight from Midsummer Night's Dream too?

I don't know. Maybe? I think it's a character. But I mean, I think in general, it's just, I'm familiar with that. Oh yeah, you're right. Yeah. I don't know. They're going for literally everything and hitting nothing.

There's like a scene where Orlando Bloom is looking for a suspect and he's like, I know he's bald and he has mutton chops and then he's like I know exactly where to go and then the next scene takes place in this room full of bald guys with mutton chops I'm like what is this meeting like he's like oh no they're all bald and have mutton

chops the names of these characters are really something to like even the names are overwritten. It's so much. Yeah. Rycroft Philistrate. And this thing at Stormaline. Or... Runyon Millworthy.

Runyon Millworthy? Yeah. What the fuck? What is that? Someone did cocaine and, like, spent some time in L.A. and, like, Runyon Spurnrose. And Ezra Spurnrose, of course. Also, Jared Harris is in it. Mr. Trenobis himself.

Oh, okay. He plays Absalom Breakspear. Of course. Breakspear? Absalom Breakspear. Like, this is... Oh, and he's married to Piety Breakspear. Piety Breakspear.

Who is played by Indira Varma from Game of Thrones. And then there's a character named Jonah Breakspear who goes to the fairy brothel, has a very stupidly long sex scene. Should I watch the pilot? Should people watch the pilot just to be in disbelief? As a form of self-harm, you're welcome to. Is it painful or could you kind of laugh your way through it? No, it's fun.

Like pour yourself a gigantic glass of something. Mike's Hard Lemonade. Yeah. Oh my God. i got home and i forgot that when i left the night i was packing and leaving i'm like i'm gonna leave myself a mike's heart in the fridge and when i get home i'm gonna be so happy and you had it oh i i was looking out you're like thank you past jamie for looking after future jamie you changed uh but yeah so the the best my favorite part of the pilot is when uh j jonah breaks spear to sit has just finished having sex with a fairy and then he's like i gotta pee and then he and his pee floats in three different directions no he doesn't go to the bathroom he's completely nude he walks out onto a balcony where it's raining.

I was like, where is he going to pee? And then he's kidnapped. And that's like a whole scene. They're like, we got to get this guy out on the balcony where he could be kidnapped. What do we say? I don't know. Let's say he has to pee. A little post-coital piss he's got to take.

He doesn't want a UTI, okay? Yeah, seriously. I mean, look. Let the kids know. That's perfectly fair. Why is he walking out on a balcony? We don, okay? Yeah, seriously. I mean, look, let the kids know. That's perfectly fair. Why is he walking out of the house? Why is he walking nude on a balcony? We don't know.

Oh, boy. It was a fun watch. I will not be continuing. What is something you think is underrated? Let's see. I've been thinking a lot about Rick Moranis' lips. I don't think that they get talked about enough. Okay, what's been going on?

You've been tweeting a lot of pro-Moranis sexy tweeting. I've just been thinking about it. I don't think that they get talked about enough. Okay, what's been going on? You've been tweeting a lot of pro-Moranis sexy tweeting. I've just been, I don't know. I've just been thinking about them since I got home. I'm paraphrasing, but I remember you tweeting something to the effect of the Rick Moranis come out of retirement

and fuck me challenge. That was exactly the tweet. Was that spot on? Because those words are burned into my mind. I saw it once. I go, what the fuck is Jamie on right now? And I was like, I don't know what the new obsession is, but Rick Moranis' lips, huh?

Okay, if you haven't looked at his lips, he's got pillowy, beautiful lips. Wow. Yeah? He does. He's got really nice lips. People need to talk more about how he- Of Frederick Allen Moranis.

There's a photo of him where I thought he was sticking his tongue out, but it's just his lower lip. Wow. It's that pillowy. I also, I was just like, what's going, I don't know. I was thinking about Honey, I Shrunk the Kids for some reason. Oh, it's because I was thinking about the Jessica Alba movie, Honey. He's got gorgeous lips.

Yeah. That is a huge lip. But Rick Moran is just like retired 20 years ago and people keep trying to be like, Rick, come on. And he's like, no, I like him. Yeah. Well, he's like very much about like, he's like, I did that

and now I'm in a different phase of my life. Right. And I'm like, damn. He's like, I took my lips elsewhere. You're like, my God. Took my lips to the wilds of Canada. But I still hope he accepts my challenge. He might.

I think, I wonder, this would be such an amazing feat if you could somehow get Rick Moranis to respond to you effectively bringing him somewhat out of retirement. Right. Not necessarily for the sex part, but for the interactions, for the notice me senpai. Not necessarily for the sex part, but for the interactions, for the notice me senpai. I would absolutely take a thoughtfully written rejection letter from Rick. Oh, what if, yeah, or like sealed with a kiss rejection letter. Ugh, he's such a class act. I wouldn't, I don't know.

He's such a class act. He's such a class, I love him. What is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? Oh, never accept an invitation from a rich person anywhere. Ever, ever, ever, ever. So the myth is people think you should. People think, oh, if someone with a- It's going to be a good time.

Right. Could be fun. Could get a lot of cool free stuff or something like that. Free stuff? I like that one. I don't know. Just to get off the top of my head. They probably got a bunch of iPads in a a stack that you can take like napkins i've never met a rich person but i'm

like you know like they they just got ipads around but you could take one they wouldn't notice uh but so we had uh when we're living i was i was in scotland for a month doing my show and uh my boyfriend and i were staying in this apartment building and there was like a fancy rich couple on the bottom floor that were like they kept looking at us like they were going to cook us right like oh wow like it was like she looks she looks delicious right they're just like so what are you doing here like they were right but how many people know you're here but it's like you could tell they had money and you're just like i don't really want to interact with this but they they kept pushing they they figured out what my birthday was i don't know how but i was there on my birthday

and they're like come to church with us and we went uh and come to church with us we went to church with them and on your birthday on my. I hadn't been to church in like 10 years and I went to church on my birthday. Another year has passed and you become a little wiser and you realize what was missing. Christ's love. I am a righteous gemstone. Praise Christ.

So we did that and then on our last night they were like come down for a bottle of pop or you know they talk like fools. Right. So they were like come down for a bottle of pop or you know they talk like fools right so so they were like is that soda no it's champagne oh so we're like i'll go and we proceeded to have caitlin was there as well uh we proceeded to have i think the most insane dinner i've ever had in my life there was no food food. There was no food. There was just champagne. And we were just sitting with this older, rich couple, and they were just talking at

us. I was trying to get a word in edgewise for the first 20 minutes, and we're like, pfft. They're just going to talk. Oh, you're doing monologues at me. Right. I took so many notes. Like while it was happening? A little bit, but then mostly after we just went upstairs and i was like

let's just get this off because there was they were some like chaotic rich people where she was like a socialite he had worked at halliburton so he was like bad he said he had a twisty mustache and he worked at halliburton holy shit she used She used to work for Ted Turner and she's like, I stole his credit card once and bought a mink and he said, you saucy lady, don't do that again. Like they were just saying.

Just anecdotes that haven't, yeah, this is all common ground for us. Right. The man had had an affair with Stevie Nicks, but then she found out he worked for Halliburton

and she dumped him. It was like, there's just- Did you tweet about that? Yes. About some dude who you, like I met somebody who fucks Stevie Nicks. Who fucks Stevie Nicks.

And then everyone was like, Stevie Nicks fucked him. I was like, fair. Okay. But still, this story, it's so fucking, it was, they were, he was also married to a member of the Bush family. He's like, I can't say which, but-

Wait, what? I, everything. Were they, were they truthful? Do you think, or did they, you think it was like half,

like just major self aggrandizing and no, unfortunately because I, myself, I fact checked a lot of it. Oh, right. And it's all true. They're,

they're like sort of low key, like, uh, Scottish tabloid stars past their prime a little bit like they they were reported a lot on a lot in like the late 90s and early 2000s and like it was just it was absolutely i'm just really upset that i've ever had they called it a dinner and you go and there's absolutely no food. There was olives. And they kept... That's not...

And I don't know why I'm hung up on this, but I would have been like, I'm not trying to be rude, but is there food at all? This is a dinner and we're just drinking champagne and you're doing monologues at me. They invited her to church on her birthday. On my birthday.

I got saved. I mean, I guess for sure for you... Because it was her birthday not like like it's your birthday we should go to church yeah so like

I know what you'll want to do Caitlin thought it was like she was getting vibes from them that was like the fan like the Rosemary's Baby people right but I was getting vibes

that was like who's afraid of Virginia Woolf yeah like they just wanted to us to like because they were talking about weirdly horny stuff at certain times they're like well yeah things that occurred to me where there were swingers who were like trying to recruit you guys in right and also cocaine sounds like

it could be we should have fucked them right you should know this story but yeah and then stevie nicks the stevie nicks famous cocaine story i hope this isn't giving away too much but she kept identifying herself as princess peapod and he was like calling himself i don't know it was something scottish but he was like captain like huge dick or whatever and he's like i remember the first time i saw you in those fish nets and i was like they're trying to fuck us. Right. That's why there's no food. They're just trying to get us drunk, so we'll fuck them. Oh, no.

We didn't fuck them, but I have their emails. There you go. Yeah. So it's always still on the table. Well, you have done nothing to dissuade me from accepting an invitation from rich people. That sounds like the most fascinating. At worst, it's a bad dinner. They're Halliburton employees who are going to try to fuck you.

I guess that's what I'm saying. Yes, please. I could only be honored if someone from Halliburton wanted to fuck me. I was like, joke. I was like, man, he's got like Halliburton lube. Like he's got, he's like, let's slick things up. Let's have a Halliburton penis pump. It all works.

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I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil.

I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her.

What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke.

And we're back. And it is Edgelord Fashion Week. Wow. Yeah. So what's going on? There's a brand called B-Stroy. And before we get into what that brand's about, I think most people on the internet saw this

where they're showing their, I don't know, their spring, summer, or fall line for this year, probably fall, considering the time of year it is, and one of the pieces, or a few pieces they had marched out were these hooded sweatshirts with the names of schools like Sandy Hook, Stoneman Douglas, Columbumbine virginia tech and they had holes in them like bullet holes in them and they were like you know uh looking like distressed hoodies for like people who want to look like they can afford a 300 rag hoodie um and everyone was like what the

fuck is this like you're this is very flippant, insensitive. We're not sure what the fuck you mean. Obviously, everyone started focusing their attention on this because it was so tasteless. And I think it's clear. I don't know. Like, their other clothes were interesting. I looked on their Instagram page. They did have a shirt that was, like, almost like a joke we've talked about where the neckline is so low, your nipples are just hanging out. I'm not joking. Like, look at this at this wait this is a shirt for a man it's intentionally neck miles that's a scoop how how well what kind of scoop is that what's the

scoop that is a shovel neck yeah it's not a scoop that is a uh yeah anyway so this whole brand everyone was giving them all this flack. So the thing about B-Stroy, man, just so you know, the designers, Rick Owens, which has to be a fake name because I think it's a play on Rick Owens, and Dieter Dugrams, they described their brand as a neo-native menswear design house, creating and communicating from a time after now. Sick, man. So they're from the future.

Yeah, and then their explanation did not do them. In the future we all dress like edgy Abercrombie and Fitch. It's been such a horrible year for edgelord discord. It's just getting worse and worse. Stories like this, every time I see something like this,

you're just like, oh, this is designed to piss people off and then people will be aware of this horrific brand. Because their other clothing is very... It's not like trying to make peace statements. It's just really oddly fitting shit. But what do I know? I'm an old man now. It's so sinister.

But their explanation really didn't help them out. Yeah. Yeah. So their explanation for this line goes as follows. Sometimes life can be painfully ironic, like the irony of dying violently in a place you consider to be a safe, controlled environment like school. We are reminded all the time of life's fragility, shortness, and unpredictability. Yet we are also reminded of its infinite potential. It is this push and pull that creates the circular motion that is the cycle of life.

Nirvana is the goal we hope to reach through meditation and healthy practices that counter our destructive habits. Samsara is the cycle we must transcend to reach nirvana. And in the meantime, let's fuck up our karma. This is like an edgy middle school Halloween costume from the 90s. This was like the kind of shit, like if I was 14 around the time when Columbine happened, I'd be like, what if you did that for Halloween? And people would be like, and then you'd be kicked out of school. Right.

I mean, this isn't painful irony. It's painfully transparent opportunism is what this is. And it's disguised as fashion. And it's just part of this dumb fucking trend of shit like this, of being like, let's offend. And then we don't have to apologize. All press is good press. Exactly. Let's keep it moving. And I think, you know, and even if they really have to apologize. All press is good press. Exactly. Let's keep it moving.

And I think, you know, and even if they really wanted to, right? Like this is probably the, if they really were about art or something, right? Or creating some kind of commentary, just a literal depiction of a sweatshirt with the school with the holes to it is not going to start a conversation

or provoke thought. It's just- And there's no attempt to like give any of the money anywhere. Like it's just, it's just like self-serving bullshit that is just designed to get people to get mad at them. And I'm mad so much that I just don't have time. Right.

Yeah. Let's okay. Let's talk about the guy with the Halliburton. I want, I'm like, I just, I'm like, I'm never going to see them again.

I should just name them but what if they come and they sue you what if they fucking sue me that would be a tragically jamie loft i should have just i should have just fucked them honestly and never spoken about it again because if i had fucked them i could never talk about it yeah because if you have sex with a halliburton employee you really have to carry that with you yeah like through your life and into eternity he also he did he had like a health i can't stop thinking about he had like uh he had a fragile brain i don't know he had gotten a brain they kept saying fragile brain but he had a brain injury and you know i didn't but he then was like yeah I drove off a cliff on my

motorcycle the day after I retired and you're like on purpose and he was he was just like yeah so brain hasn't been the same since I drove that motorcycle off that cliff and you're like wow what

is Stevie Nicks like? Oh, I mean, nothing is going to top that. I mean, we're talking the news. I don't know how we pivot out of that. How we pivot out of it. So we acknowledge that we can't pivot out of it. We can't. In the name of transparency. Now we live here.

We've docked. I think this podcast. We've docked. Yeah, exactly. I think this podcast should now be about those people from now on. Let's talk instead about food regulators. Regulators! Mound up. So we've talked, I think, before about how in the U.S.

food regulation is just a joke like the USDA. Like the food pyramid that we all grew up on is a joke that is at least partially influenced by huge food companies. what one of the ideas that seems to be behind a lot of U.S. food and nutrition is, like, not that you should consume less or change what you're consuming, just that you should, like, be more active, but that, in fact, you should maybe consume more. Like, the food pyramid is, like, eat your way to health by eating these foods all the time. Eat a loaf of bread. Eat from each of these industries.

Right. A loaf of bread at food banks. A loaf of bread as one of your servings. Even when I was a kid, I'm like, do I need this much bread? Teacher, how many breads do I do a day? They're like nine breads a day. It was eight to nine breads. Eight to nine servings of grains

and bread. You know what's funny? Wow. Now that I think about this, in school we had to do a food pyramid coloring thing. Yeah. And my mom, I'm having a very vivid memory of her saying it was bullshit. It was complete bullshit. Because she was like, we didn't eat like this in Japan. No. And we live as long as everybody else.

She's like, nine breads? Japan lives much longer than everybody, or not everybody, but definitely longer than... I mean, we're out here. I'm not doing myself any favors with this Taco Bell. Miles is never going to die. But yeah, the one I used when I was a kid is 6 to 11 breads. No! 6 to 11. It was the bottom of the pyramid. Right, right, right.

That's a carb, a starch, have your pasta sandwich. Yeah, you're probably at 5 breads today. Pasta and rice panini. Get me some flour in these veins. Six to 11 breads. But yeah, so there's a reason that we were getting all of this complete bullshit,

and it's that the food industry kind of realized that if there were going to be these regulating forces, regulating committees, they would create their own regulating committees and put like big food scientists on those regulating committees and just like have the meetings for them at five-star hotels and they would fly like nutritionists out to them and stuff so uh there's one in particular that's called the ILSI. It is the, let me...

International Life Sciences Institute. The International Life Sciences, which sounds great, doesn't it? Yeah, it sounds... International Life Sciences? I like the word international. I like life. I like science institute. Institutes are fine.

like life i like science institute institutes are fine uh but it's so during the 80s and 90s they were basically doing the bidding of the tobacco industry uh they also have done work for or people who were trustees on their board have been named to committees for different governments where they overrode existing accepted science. For instance, there was the Monsanto. Oh, great. What's the Monsanto thing that- Roundup? Roundup, yeah. So there was a World Health Organization study that said that Monsanto's Roundup had an ingredient that was carcinogenic.

Right. And that was accepted science. And then a person from this Life Science Institute worked on a committee that overrode that and said that it quote, probably isn't carcinogenic. Wait, but how does this life science Institute work? Cause like if it's a non-governmental body, how are they influencing? They just get like named,

like they're, they just become incredibly influential by recruiting like major people. Oh, and then inoculating them, educating them, then sending them out into the world with their stamp on their back. Yeah.

I'm ILSI approved. It was founded by a Coca-Cola executive and seems to share key parts of Coca-Cola's nutrition philosophy, which is... Wait, there's a Coca-Cola nutritional philosophy?

Yeah. Well, the way... It's called Don a Coca-Cola nutritional philosophy? Yeah. Well, the way... It's called Don't Eat a Battery. It's basically a marketing strategy. Okay. Yeah, it's that you stress physical activity over dietary changes. So, you know, all those stories where it was like,

your sedentary lifestyle is the cause of your obesity. It's just another, yeah, it's like another blamey tact of like, you got to eat all our shit, but you also have to run six hours a day so that our shit doesn't kill you. Yeah, it's like, well, hold on. The option isn't going to be stop eating the poison now. Right, yeah. It's just do some other shit to offset it.

The reason you don't like meth is because you're not sleeping enough. So sleep more, continue to do meth. Your body's really failing to process this poison. Like it really, ugh. But because people are sort of onto them in Western media, they're really focusing a lot of, and not completely onto them. Like they're still incredibly influential

and way more influential than like the USDA or the FDA in America. Because they're just like the, the actual things that are supposed to be looking out for us are being outspent by these huge companies, but they're focusing a lot of their energy on China, India, and Brazil,

the world's first and second biggest, most populous nations. And then sixth most populous and China, like the head person in charge of nutrition in china is also like a board member of this company wow last year the candy maker mars withdrew from ilsi saying it could no longer support an organization that funds advocacy-led studies so like mars the candy company was like- What the fuck?

The Green M&M's like, I'm out. So your life science institute is too corrupt for us, Mars, a candy company. Jesus, yeah. And we're pushing sugar. Right. Straight sugar, and we're like, hey, we're trying to be a little bit real about this shit. Speaking of sugar, they basically did what they did with roundup they also did two various studies around the world that were basically saying that sugar is bad for you

like the world health organization has been trying to get the message out that sugar is bad for you but then they keep getting uh kind of pushed down by various governmental organizations that are headed up by people from the ILSI. So India is really like struggling with obesity. They've with just different Western food companies moving in. 70 million people have diabetes and people think that that number is going to go to 123 million in the next decade. So the government is doing things like putting a 40% tax on sugar, sweetened soda and putting they were going to put this big red label on all foods that didn't have the right ratios of like nutrition to to food basically power your human body right and uh and this dude came in and basically stalled it uh and he was from the ilsi so it's like the coke network basically right like you have lobbyists or people at think tanks who are just like yeah

this is the prevailing thought we need to infiltrate all these agencies with. Now go forth and wreak profits. Just like a snake getting its own tail of various yes men. I would watch this Adam McKay movie. Yeah, right. Oh, for sure. I mean, the food industry and the tobacco industry, the food industry is basically where the tobacco industry policies went. industry like policies went and it's just such a transparent like it's just capitalism showing its ass basically and what an ass it is what a big juicy ass and it could only be powered by coca-cola how you get that booty sugar sugar fat and salt sugar fat running six hours a day running

six hours a day going to the gym too. That's how you get these ratios. Powerful. Oh, wow. Well, I'm glad I... I was already frightened about sugar when I just saw that one YouTube video where they cooked the sugar in a can of Coke

down into its caramelized sludge. Oh, no. And when you visually see what that cooks down, it's like, ah. I'll drink one today. It looks like tar. It's so weird how much we know. I did a quote-unquote science experiment

when I was in... I just killed someone. A quote-unquote science experiment? It was a decomposition project. No. We did the experiment where you take your baby teeth and you put them

in different sodas and see how quickly they get fucked up and coke is always the one that like in three days there'll be no tooth like the tooth

will disappear you know credit where credit's due to Edgar Sprite you know it lasts oh really

wow your tooth it's not gonna thrive it's not going to thrive. It's not going to die. Mountain Dewitt starts growing another life form around it. It starts growing a brain. Code Red, it starts to speak English, and it's really mad. And in Mexico, the head of ILSI Mexico was a former Koch executive.

Somebody reported on it, and he was suspended for a year. The journalist? Or the person? No, no. Okay, the regular. The person was suspended for a year. It became this big national controversy. And then he was immediately brought back in

and is now the new executive director. Wait, so they sidelined him because of this revelation and then they brought him right back yeah it was just like purely just for the appearance or sorry they he he didn't get brought back uh they brought in a new executive director who was the former director of public affairs at coco oh so essentially the same person all right okay so they just don't give a fuck they'll just do the right thing as long as people are looking, but then they have ways of making people look the other direction. So yeah, good to keep in mind.

All right. And don't forget, have your 6 to 11 breads today. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm halfway. I'm like waist deep in various breads. Feeling a little lightheaded.

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starring him, playing his music, listening to his music. You're the main attraction. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay, let's ride. And then what happened? There was the app, and then was there also an Amazon thing?

There was. There was an Amazon store. There was an Amazon store. What's the chronology of it? Jeep ads first. I remember that was when we, I'm on the boat, I gotta get you. Well, the single was first. The single was not for the Jeep ad.

Oh, that's right. That was just for the art. Right. And then Jeep heard that single and was like We gotta get Renner in right away. Stop everything. So then, so the app actually goes, the app has existed longer than all of this. Just no one knew

about it and no one was using it. But it's existed for I think over a year, maybe a year and a half. So that was going on. I bust in when he starts making music. That's when I start to engage with Renner culture, right? And so he releases the music. That's when I start to engage with Renner culture. And so he releases the single. Jeep's like, stop everything.

We've found our man. He churns out three incredible singles in a week. And it's just music videos of him kicking dirt near a Grand Cherokee. He's in his tour bus. People are like, hey, Jer, where are you going? He's like, I'm on the way to the taika waititi carnival because there's taika taika's like in a hot dog suit for one of the music videos oh really oh yeah someone yeah someone pointed that out yeah yeah i think i texted you yeah so so then that happened and everyone's like wait a second jeremy renner fucking rocks so then he's like okay i'm

on my like he he's just trying to get the money while it's there and he's a beautiful artist right so people are getting involved i download the jeremy renner app i think in i want to say like early july and start posting screenshots of like the notifications. Right. And other people are picking up on the Jeremy Rinder app as well. The Amazon store comes in at some point, which is just like a landing page. Yeah.

There's just stuff that he held. Pictures of him in the wilderness, but like he doesn't really know how to be in the wilderness. At one point he's drawing a bow and there's a bow and arrow target behind him. So he's drawing the bow to just shoot it off into the distance. I think there's a picture where he's fishing in a campfire or something.

Yeah. Wow. It's just him outdoors. And then it just links to like arrows That you can purchase For children But they're Jeremy Renner like endorsed arrows He is Hawkeye I think that's where this whole thing comes from

I mean he's a Guys he lives in New Mexico We don't know He's got a lot of property So anyways The app is where the good shit is Right cause I was getting push notifications Minimum once a day So anyways, the app is where the good shit is, right? Because I was getting push notifications minimum once a day from the Jeremy Renner app and posting about them.

And so the app is eventually, I think like maybe a week and a half ago, abruptly shut down. And do you guys know like the circumstances it was shut down under? I've heard vague mention. Okay. I don't know anything. Around the campfire. So my friend Stefan ends up getting the app shut down. What?

Stefan Heck? Stefan Heck. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he had been seeing stuff that everyone was posting about the Jeremy Renner app. And so he wrote an essay about it for Deadspin. It's a great essay. But basically what he does is,

like Jeremy Renner's always posting like, what's up fam? What are you doing this week? Oh, have a rockin' weekend everyone. What's the plan? Three question marks. Right. Attached to a picture of Jeremy Renner

holding binoculars from the Amazon shoot. Right. And Stefan would comment saying, I will be looking at porno on my computer. Right. So it's like a funny one-off thing. But then when people reply to him on the app, he gets a push notification that makes it look like their responses are coming from Jeremy Renner himself. Oh, interesting.

from Jeremy Renner himself. Oh, interesting. So what he does is he kind of mobilizes people to start to post about porno on the app and so that they can get all these Jeremy Renner responses. So it basically starts to look like all these pornographic responses are coming from Jeremy Renner. And there was an infrastructure for it. was like a weird casey anthony

subplot going on that i wasn't keeping track of um and like there was like a lot of contempt for stephan where whenever he posted they're like do not interact with the porno guy right he's trying to ruin our thing do not talk to him and then I mean, tragically, is one of my favorite posts that's ever been posted by Jeremy Renner. Top three Renner posts. It's the goodbye post. Could I read it? Yes, please. The second we were still on vacation when I did it, and my boyfriend helped me memorize the entire thing so I could use it as an audition.

Can you do it from memory right now i can try i mean i took it took a little bit okay so this is in uh i believe it's bradley hand fun bradley hand of course i am so sorry so it says this goodbye the app has jumped the shark literally due to clever sorry what um what's your question we'll get let's get through this and we can line by line it all i'll just write my questions down the app has jumped the shark literally due to clever individuals that were able to manipulate ways to impersonate me and others within the app i have asked escapex the company that runs this app to shut it down immediately and refund anyone who has purchased any stars in the last 90 days what was supposed to be a place for fans to connect with each other has turned into a place that is everything i detest

and can't or won't condone my my sincere apologies for this to have not turned out the way it was intended to all the super fans who have supported me with your words of encouragement amazing art stories and time shared on the app a genuine thank you and i hope to see you on instagram twitter youtube and facebook jr oh boy so acknowledging the complete uselessness of the app in the final sentence right and uh let's turn to traditional social media acceptable as, this could be anywhere. Acceptable as well. He's had it with people thinking that he was posting about porno on his shitty application. It's ruined too many careers. Everything he detests is people watching porno on their computers. Is that?

I don't think he wants people to think that he. He watches. I don't know. But that's such a strong statement. I still don't know where to. I mean, it was. And did his app become a gang member and literally jump a shark? Right.

Yeah. A jet. Yeah, he became like a West Side Story gang member. He just jumped a shark. Right. I don't know. What do you think he thought he meant when he said, I don't know.

The app has jumped the shark literally. Literally. Like, I mean, the only way, I way i mean you know colloquially people use incorrectly use literally just to emphasize how jump the shark something right but it's such an overtly figurative yeah right exactly phrase that it's like i was so mad my head was on fire, literally. Right. Wait, so your head was on fire? No. What does that mean? I just mean a lot.

I was a lot mad. I was a lot. I only had three breads that day. It jumped the shark a lot. Yeah. This is, I think, the problem, too, when people just hear phrases a lot, and they sort of, through context, kind of figure out what it means without realizing that it's a reference to happy days.

And like, it was the moment they did a little too much. Right. But you know, a lot. One good argument. In my mind, Jeremy Renner would never in his whole like mythos as a,

as a entity, as an artist. I don't think the concept of jumping the shark would even, he would never even be like, Oh my God, that would never happen. I would never do something. That's what jump the shark is? No, no, no, no. None of the work I do would ever jump the shark, even though everyone would argue that

what I'm, the phase of my career I'm in right now is the jump the shark phase. He may be the shark at this point. We don't. I think ultimately, so where I fall in all of this is by the end of the jeremy renner discourse i'm tired right wow they're for him for yourself honestly for him yeah wow he's had i mean he i i still think that this is the weirdest use of privilege i've ever seen in my life but it's fitting fitting. He's not hurting anyone. He's just trying to create a community of fellow runners.

Yeah. And now it's going to be like, you know, like when you deplatform a community, they'll make another and they'll be angrier this time. Right. So there's going to be like a gab for Jeremy Renner fans because they got deplatformed by the Jeremy Renner app. It's just, you know, I just hope Jer's doing well.

I think he is. Are people calling this the Renaissance? The people are calling this the Renaissance. Good, good, good. I would be disappointed in the internet if they hadn't. But now there's that new game. Which I haven't played it yet. So there's a game that allows you to be Jeremy Renner

on the day that the app jumps the shark. Literally. I hope it's an empathetic. The game is one that puts the player in the position of being Jeremy Renner? Yes. Oh. This is going to be dangerous for me.

It's visually very similar to Kim Kardashian Hollywood. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Where you used to have to buy points to glow yourself up. Yeah. I remember when that came out. Yeah. So. That was like six years ago or something wasn't it? Yeah. She made like $168

million off of her game. Oh God. I did play that game. So what do you do in the app exactly? So it's a choose your own adventure game where you're interacting with your phone as Jeremy Renner on the day, that fateful day,

the 9-11 for the Renner community. So you can do nothing. Yeah. You can just do nothing. But if you go into... It will put the Renner app or a version of the Renner app on your phone and then if you

go into the Renner app you will discover trolls making fun of you and it's really I mean and you then so you go and it says you check your phone what's first on the agenda updating my unofficial fan tumblr that I run

anonymously. Texting Christopher Winters, my business manager, app developer, and best friend. Checking Jeremy Renner, which is the name of my app, which I myself chose. Tweeting at Chris Evans.

Oh, damn. And then if you like, if you check the app, the next step is suddenly you spot another comment that reads, I was the only one not featured on the Avengers poster and the name on the account, it's someone claiming to be you. Yeah. And the two options, is it me? Or that's the last straw.

Of course, the aggro option. Yes. That's the last straw. Of course, the aggro option. Yes. It's written and created by Val Bodurtha, and the artwork is by Dan Ackerman, and well done. It's terrific. Yeah.

I mean. Just like I thought for a second it was going to. Yeah. It's a troll game, but for people who love Jeremy Renner. Right. I love it. It's true. Apparently, Tom Hanks had an app.

Madonna has had. Chris D'Elia has an app. Yeah, he does. Really? Yeah. What happens in it? I don't know. I mean, thank you for thinking I have it.

Yeah. What happens, Jamie? I don't know. Hard to say. It just says, using way too many napkins. It is. All right. Let's check in real quick with Shane Gillis, because we're learning more about not why he was fired, but why he was hired in the first place.

Apparently that was an intentional decision to try and, like Lorne Michaels has been at NBC long enough to have caught the both sides-ism bug. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, we need to get that blue collar comedy audience we need to appeal to the conservatives i mean everyone like i remember in the beginning they're like he had a really strong audition and i was like what the fuck what was the reason who was so on its face like seemed like a really whack choice was his john rocker character bit that good in the audition right you know so essentially yes like you're

saying he wanted to appeal to a more conservative viewers because it this was meant to quote counteract the appearance of a liberal bias on the show which is like so corny yeah so i mean what a terrible decision because i'm like what exactly did they see in his routine that they're like this guy's gonna be just yummy yummy yummy for the conservatives right and they're like, this guy's going to be just yummy, yummy, yummy for the conservatives. Right. And they're going to want to tune in because we put this dude on.

Was it because he was doing like problematic shit and they were like, ah, this is a little edgy, his routine, but this is the kind of thing that conservatives are going to want. And I wasn't sure what about conservative viewers that they were like, what the strategy was like,

do we embrace their terrible viewpoints to then bring them in? Right. i don't really know i think that it is kind of interesting that they like refer to like a flat-out edgelord as conservative because you don't like hear those two terms put together very often right like i feel like you're more often like oh he's like an alt-right douchebag or whatever but it is interesting to see like that high up because it's like i have to believe that the people making these decisions are in there we gotta get a conservative audience like they're not super plugged in types of people so so just like it was interesting just like hearing that like

that community because i don't i don't't know what this man's like political views. I've heard nothing but garbage about him for years. Right. But I don't know what his actual political views are. But there is like a contingency of people who say stuff like that under the umbrella of irony and then say that they're leftists. Right. say that they're leftists right and so it is kind of like this weird thing and it's like hearing that that was the way that it's viewed from that perspective was yeah interesting and i just don't understand like most of his comedy apparently is about being fiscally conservative

he doesn't yeah i was like pick yourself up by your bootstraps type shit it was just like my favorite club in philly hasn't let him perform there in years because he's a piece of shit well the thing too is like you know again people who go on snl they're typically pulled from upright citizens brigade groundling second city etc those like improvisers or people who are on stage performing sketches typically like the track to snl and the other two people that they cast were like fit that bill exactly right

and then and then so then it's like so you have this stand-up comedian who from my from what I know I don't know him to be a like an actor comedic actor they've

done stand-ups throughout the history of course but I'm just saying like with the improvisers you can go to a show you understand what they do they probably have

a YouTube presence or whatever but with like a stand-up there's plenty of recorded material to go through so i'm curious like how why that vetting process was such a failure and even the people they interviewed now this is where i don't know if they knew and they just did it anyway or they're or they're that fucking lazy because in this variety article of the people they spoke with they said they agreed that snl's vetting process was, quote, severely lacking in this case. As Gillis was well known in comedy circles for using the type of language and remarks that ultimately led to the show cutting ties with him before he ever made it to air.

Michaels took the weekend to gather information before making Gillis' firing official on Monday. Asking someone how to use a computer all weekend. So, guys, what's racism? Right. Is this racist i mean that's the i just don't believe for a second that it was a failure of vetting because it's like what he's known for that's all like there's not there's one thing if it's like oh he has these horrible shit but then he has this wholesome shit and maybe people just saw that but they were what there's nothing else that's all there was so i

just like i think that's kind i mean i believe that you know they're trying to get a conservative audience but that's like a crock of shit to say that they didn't know that right and it's just cynical and just stupid too and like counterproductive to like creating any kind of i mean not that snl is the height of like subversive comedic performing performance but you know like what why is there a concern that you need to conserve to appeal to a conservative audience is it purely for ratings to to drive profits or is it like or truly out of this you know artistic idea of like wow is there a way is there a balance in the kind of commentary like is there even worthwhile commentary from a conservative that like we can look at liberal

politics in a way and laugh because i mean for the most part there are plenty of like liberals who can see the own dumb shit happening on their side of the fence and be like this is dumb but yeah i guess when you see the like the motivation of like well we wanted more numbers right i don't i mean i also think that it's like even if i mean it's kind of inconceivable to me that they wouldn't know that people would dig stuff up and then it would become a huge story it's it's like i would almost liken it to like the edgelord fashion thing where it's like you're just creating a controversy and it doesn't matter because people are talking about the show and it's at the expense of everyone who works there but it's i i mean it it works everyone is talking about it it's it but i feel like this is actually really bad press for them yeah i don't think i don't think they knew that i don't think they anticipated that the reaction

would be what it is really yeah i think i think i think i mean i think that there's enough people working there that would know if you hire someone with demonstrable racist history that people will dig it up enough people but i think the people who are at the levels to make those decisions aren't as in touch. Right. They're just worried, you know, I've been doing this for years. Michael is a rich white dude who's been a rich white dude for a long, long time and is, yeah, I just feel like he's probably out of touch.

I feel like that's kind of cutting them slack. I just, I... Oh, really? Yeah, there's enough people, like like that had to be a deliberate decision. I, I, yeah. But if it's deliberate, right. Do you think it's because what I'm saying is if it's deliberate, right. It wasn't the all presses, good press kind of tactic.

Was it that it's let's just do this. We'll get fucking just flamed and actually like further add to the negative perception of the show. Well, they would have kept him if he had done a better apology. Like that's a part of that whole narrative too. It was like, they didn't fire him for his views. They fired him for his failure to do an actual apology. So, I mean, there is a way that this played out, that this could have played out, that he would have kept his job. He was just not willing to apologize for saying horrible things, which is just like an extension of that ecosystem of like, I've been canceled.

And he has a GoFundMe that has $30,000 in it right now. So it's just like. He has a, I've been canceled GoFundMe? I don't, I don't know that he started it, but there is one. Well, there's always going to be a GoFundMe. And he's got the support of David Spade, Bill Burr, Jim Jeffries. I saw that trio. I just saw that clip of like these three weigh in on him.

I was like, don't need to hear it. Honestly, it's just like, it's just, it is also, I don't know. I just find it hard to believe that it's like, we just didn't know what we were doing. I'm like, you fucking knew what you were doing. Right. And then I guess then, but then if that's the case, then I'm like fully like, well, then fully fucks SNL then. Right.

Seriously. Because I mean, look, I know people who work on the show who are close friends of mine. And, you know, I don't want to slag off the work that they do. But when you see, like, this kind of shit happening at the leadership level, it just adds to my, like, cold heart where I'm like, I used to love this show. I check in, like, pretty regularly just to see what's going on because it is, like, you know, one of the, you know, top comedy shows on TV. And it's like if your friends are working on it, too, you're like, oh. Yeah, you're interested. Of course I want to see.

But then when you know, like, behind the scenes, it was sort of like, you know, let's just fuck around with the culture wars. Let's just do this for the sake of ratings. I mean, I guess we should be cynical about all media in that sense, but. I mean, they had Donald Trump on during the rise of Donald Trump.

Right. As like a, as the host. There's all sorts of shit. I mean, I don't know. I, ultimately, I just, it's such a bummer that like that story that refused to die, like took away a big day from like two very talented performers. was an asshole and then he was the whole story and he will continue in the whole like argument of like he you're stealing his livelihood i'm like dude he's gotta fucking go fund me with thousands of dollars in it he's gonna be fine he's gonna go on the i've been canceled tour

he's got you know he'll be on rogan within two weeks it's just like smoking blunts to the point where it's like not even surprising it's just exhausting you're just watching it happen and it's just like what was the fucking point of all this like who benefits from it i i don't know yeah i mean i i only see a lot of people who are not like like chloe fineman and bowen yang who ultimately suffer yeah like as a whole part of this because it's essentially completely i bet most people don't even know who was hired because the second the announcement came out I think people don't

if you're not in comedy you wouldn't know but then on top of that all the news just becomes about this person and you wouldn't know that you have two really great performers coming on now I mean and once the show starts they'll shine in their own right and it'll be okay but it's just yeah like the the way that these stories sort of overshadow things that

were really really cool and positive and oh it just i do wonder if there was some like conscious like math going on where they were like well because we're doing a progressive thing by having like a more diverse cast uh if we can like get away with adding casting a racist i just like if that is true that's like the most pathetic thing in the entire world what the fuck kind of calculus is that i'm just like oh god everyone just everyone is like i need to tell you my opinion on comedy i'm like why you're fucking like data analyst i don't want to know what you think well i just need to know that pc culture is actually destroying comedy how do i know right i work on pcs anyone just

swan dive into your mention right just be like actually you're like it's just so yeah like that whole like irony poisoned community is just fucking exhausting and i and we talked about this yesterday too but i think it's also a thing of an existential threat to people who think that's funny and our performers realizing guess what dude the the shit that you're like like working off of isn't like there's a very limited time on that like and not many people are fucking with it i think that's why a lot of people have to defend it because they're like but my whole existence is based on like doing this fucking like winky wink racism shit right it's my whole personality and if that's canceled what am i i'm

not gonna go back to fucking but it's like teaching at teaching children well the thing that's frustrating too yeah i mean it's but the thing that's frustrating is there is a thriving group of people who are really into that kind of comedy and it just gets worse and worse and worse as the comedians who are doing it double down and double down and double down of like whatever, like SJW is taking them down. It's just – some of the Patreon statistics are alarming. It's scary. What do you mean? I just mean that there's a lot of money in being canceled and playing into it. Oh, and right, and then having your,

like you have a Patreon where you can be like, well, then I have people who sympathize with my views and will fund my life. Being even more outwardly racist could make you a lot of money in certain circles. It's just like, yeah. It's exhausting for all of us and for Jeremy Renner. I mean, yeah. Think about how tired Jeremy Renner. I mean, yeah.

Think about how tired Jeremy Renner is. The real story. I actually don't. And see, and this is taking away, too, from Jeremy Renner. He should be taking up more space. Jeremy Renner doesn't believe in the wage gap, and that's sad. Of course not. Doesn't believe in it?

Where's that? Yeah, where's that good old- It's all state of mind, you know? Where's that good old-fashioned bullshit? It's just like, the wage gap? What are you talking about? I think you mean thigh gap. What?

Well, Jamie, it's been a pleasure having you. Hey, thanks for... It's good to be back. Yeah, it's so good to have you back. Where can people find you? You can find me online at Jamie Loftus Help on Twitter, at Jamie Cray Superstar on Instagram. I'm doing my show I brought back from Edinburgh Fringe

a couple more times in New York and LA, so there's tickets to that up now too. All right. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yeah, I've been enjoying all the talk about Thomas Middleditch's Playboy interview. Oh, yeah. How do we miss that?

The user Nora Horvath at IamNoraHorvath. LMAO, sometimes I'm sad to be single, but at least I'm not Thomas Middleditch's wife. I know, man. So, yeah, he did an interview with my former employer, Playboy. Our former employer. It's true and he's- Our former employer. It's true. It's so embarrassing. Yes.

I know. I hate thinking about it. But he does this horrible interview where he's describing how he and his wife are swinging, which is totally fine. Do your thing. But the way he describes it is so- He's like, I'm gas and she's brakes. Like, he just- Ugh. He's basically i'm gas and she's breaks like he just

he's basically just saying like i want to fuck my fans yeah and like why can't she can either fucking get in or get out yeah it's like this doesn't sound like a thing in agreement it sounds like this person's held hostage sounds like you bullied your wife into letting you fuck your fans but like i mean i don't know i hope that she's happy she's with it and that's her decision Thomas Middleditch is like a known fucking loser though like really just go to the museum of broken relationships if you want to know a thing or two about Thomas

Middleditch whoa T report yeah Miles where can people find you you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at milesofgray. And some tweets that I like today. One is from, it's a quote tweet. I'm doing a few quote tweets, so they're going to take a little explanation. One, it says, coughing season is coming.

Okay, and this is an image of a guy sneezing into a tissue. No, it isn't. It's someone's crumpled up eye. When you're sneezing, your eyes are closed very vigorously. That's a butthole. Damn, I'm so hungry. I thought this was an asshole. Because this shit looked like an asshole. I'm so hungry.

Reductress, at Reductress. That tweet was from Carlos. at shitcarlos__ says. Another one, Reductress. Gabby wants to, quote, lay low for her birthday, but does that mean she wants me to plan something? Someone who had a birthday? I can guarantee you that's what that means. I don't want to think about it, but if you want to do something, I'm not going to be mad at it. Right.

Next, another quote tweet. It's a video from this account uh imam muhammad tahwidi and it says a five-month-old baby was kidnapped and carried to dubai from karachi inside a travel bag fortunately it was detected at dubai airport and the baby was found safe and okay so in the video you can see you're quote tweeting that you're describing a video so first you see a video of these people like at at a customs agency right opening up a bag from zipped and revealing a baby okay and this child is in a bag the quote tweet now comes from at billy bob sanders it says hey yo zip his ass back up we need to get a video of this because if you think about it it's like yeah did you wait to open it with the camera or did you be Sanders, it says, hey, yo, zip his ass back up. We need to get a video of this. Oh, my God.

That's true. Because if you think about it, it's like, did you wait to open it with the camera, or did you be like, okay, hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or don't open it. Either way, it's like, I hear a baby crying in this bag. Hold on. This could be a good video.

Don't open it yet. Or you had to redo the shit for the fucking video. Don't know. Brutal. the fucking video don't know uh brutal dan white at at dan white tweeted well i guess my son is officially at that age uh and then he it's a google search history boobies naked big boobies sex huge sex uh naked women boobies plus butt on women full nipple and then why is my penis so much larger than my dad's? Micro penis.

And then, is my dad sick? Question mark, plus small penis. Oh, my God. That one got you. That one got me, man. Jay's crying. Jay says, what he looked like when he was watching I Think You Should Leave Now on an airplane

in his headphones, scaring passengers next to him. Yeah, Anna was sitting next to me. There was somebody in between Anna and I, and she said that I was fully unaware of how scared he was, of how hard I was laughing. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes!

Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we write out on. Miles, what's that going to be today? This is from Caribou. It's an old song. From 2005 actually. But I was actually thinking because of Playboy, the Playboy

Mansion. We've been to the playboy mansion i have not oh you haven't no i never invited i should upload a video of me drunkenly walking into a gigantic window that i thought was a door uh because i was like trying to show out anyway this track is called the spiritually immature mansion because i felt like maybe this was a weird take jab at the playboy mansion but this is called The Spiritually Immature Mansion from Caribou. You know, pretty straightforward track, but I like the editing of the drums.

If you like drumming, there's some edited drums in there, some nice fills, et cetera. Listen to it if you like it. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for today.

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