The Daily Zeitgeist - Bare Minimums, Pumpkin Spice Timelines 8.19.20

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

In episode 697, Miles and guest host Laci Mosley are joined by Permission To Speak host Samara Bay to discuss who is speaking at the RNC, Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC, WAP shaking the world, the Ellen Degeneres outing some producers, the return of the Pumpkin Spice Latte, and more!FOOTNOTES: Covington graduate Nicholas Sandmann to speak at Republican convention St. Louis Couple Rewarded for Waving Guns at Protesters With GOP Convention Speaking Role Fox's Chris Wallace lauds Michelle Obama convention speech: 'Really flayed, sliced and diced Donald Trump' Trump lashes out at Michelle Obama over address at Democratic convention Great News for Cardi B, Megan Thee Stallion, and Good Pussy ‘The Ellen DeGeneres Show’ Ousts Three Top Producers (EXCLUSIVE) Dunkin' will unveil its new fall menu earlier than ever Starbucks to reintroduce Pumpkin Spice Latte, expand curbside pickup Starbucks and Dunkin' are starting Pumpkin Spice season earlier than ever, as customers grow desperate for 2020 to end America's Pumpkin Spice Habit Is Big Business Pumpkin Spice Spiked Seltzer Is Here, And It's All I'm Drinking This Fall The Pandemic Is No Match for the Pumpkin Spice Latte WATCH: Sao Paulo - Lapti Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I don't know what VHS we are going to watch today. Again, I will have to dig through the back of my Sentra to see what tapes I have that we have not seen yet. But with that, I will welcome you to this episode, three of season 147 of The Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. It's the podcast where you take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. You're freaked out, put the top back on, and then try and talk about something else that's a little less pressing or horrific. And then off the top, you know what time it is. We say fuck the Koch brothers, fuck Koch industry, fuck Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, buck sexism.

Especially after that whole comment Rush Limbaugh said. It's all trash coming out of these people recently, but not here. We just have trash takes on pop culture. This is Wednesday, August 19th, 2020. My name is Miles, a.k.a. Experimental Artist Ya Boy Kusama. And I am thrilled to be joined by my wonderful guest co-host someone I like to team up with when it's time for Jack to take a little bit of a breather the one

and only scam goddess herself my sister from another mister Lacey Mosley hey it's your girl Lacey Mosley aka I scam whatever you say I scam if I wasn't then why would I say I scam on the podcast the phone everyday I scam I don't know it's just the way I scam whatever you say I scam if I wasn't then why would I say I scam on the podcast the phone every day I scam I don't know it's just the way I scam that came from Walt okay well his name on

Twitter is water chestnut the second but his name is Scott birdie right on there you go thanks Scott shout out to Scott what's popping I sit back with this mic and these scams and this weed that give me... Anyway, what an aggro track. That shit, I used to scream that out. Yo, Eminem makes music for just like the scariest people. Yeah, and teenagers. Teenage boys, too. Like, that's why that shit was pop.

Yeah. How did we let him get away with that? He just be in his room like, I want to kill my mom. And we just be listening to that? Yeah're like fuck you debbie and like my mom's like you do your homework i'm like shut up debbie i'm like i mean she's like what'd you call me i'm like okay welcome to the show thank you so much lacy for coming here i want to now introduce our guest today uh a person who's hosting a show on our network as well. Someone who is a dialect coach. Someone who is about elevating people's voices quite literally.

The host of the Permission to Speak podcast. Please welcome Samara Bey. Oh my God. What an intro. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming by. How are you doing?

I love your curtain, your nice backdrop, whatever fabric you've hung. I like chilling in my own. I mean, this is my podcast studio, but also it's your podcast studio. I don't know if you guys know how the pandemic works, but yes, I feel very at home here with my fancy backdrop. I know. I mean, I had to create a video. Now, okay.

We love textiles and fabrics here. Is that something you got, especially for this? Is this a project you gave up on and you had some extra footage yardage that you're throwing up? What a, what a delightful and crafty suggestion that is. No,

I have a, for anybody who's not looking. Yeah. I guess I'm talking to people that aren't just miles and lacey i don't know it's actually a blanket and it is from um society six which is like a delightful decor uh you know whatever website that that like is um i think sort of the sort of thing that artists like make money off of yeah exactly you can put up your art and then they'll put it on anything for you print it out exactly etsy or like fancy etsy i mean

that's the thing i was actually that's why i was hesitating i was like i don't know what its relationship is to etsy it's not the same and it's not the same yeah they don't have the artists don't have to do the selling it's like they they take them yeah kind of like t public or other places upload your art they'll do the rest for you just you bring the ip and we'll slap it on some text and i have this like i have this general sense that i'm like supporting artists but i like i don't know maybe i'm just supporting society six but yes no it's it's um it's cheetahs it's like fuzzy and cheetahs and i was trying uh truly in like very early days of the pandemic when my podcast was like two weeks old and we suddenly all had to move elsewhere uh to create

a quote unquote studio with lots of like you know sound proofing and so this was a thing and then it became a thing fantastic well we're gonna get to know you even better first we gotta just give the listeners a little taste of what's coming down the road here on this uh today's episode rather uh we're gonna start talk a little bit about the stars of the GOP convention at the RNC because right now the DNC convention is kicking off we have Michelle Obama just basically

make people weep by bringing back the return of the bare minimum and reminding us what that was and then but yeah but the GOP they're letting you know oh okay you may have John Kasich over there Kasich at the DNC and other people. Or maybe you have the head of Quibi speaking for longer amounts of time than actual politicians.

But either way, the RNC is coming with their hits and we'll get into some of the people, the elevated talents that will be gracing the stage there. We'll also talk about, got to talk about Michelle Obama's speech a little bit. And also, you know, just The whole WAP phenomenon You know, Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion Really struck a nerve in this country By, you know, deigning to speak About their own desires sexually

And now the results are in We've seen the smear campaigns And it turns out WAP is Unfuckwithable, no matter how hard you try You cannot stop it uh so we'll get into some of those dynamics of it and I'm actually curious to hear your take on that as well Samara uh because the idea of speaking out as a woman for the things that you like and want and what that backlash has looked like is kind of an interesting dimension to the WAP conversation

then we'll talk about uh three of Ellen's top producers uh we're starting to see some some heads roll as a result of this investigation over there uh as well as the aggressive return of pumpkin spiced everything uh it's happening and we can't stop it but you know what it's that time of the year so we might as well just embrace it uh we get into all that. Samara, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? I had a lot. You know, I'm a podcast host. So I also like so I had to go through my search history of all of the people that I'm like actually just doing research on, which seemed like the least interesting thing to bring on here ever. But one thing that I found because I'm also writing a book.

OK. Oh, I know. ever um but one thing that i found because i'm also writing a book okay oh i know guys tell me what i gotta do to get in those notes you know what i mean um it's gonna be all about youtube fantastic i pivoted in the moment you know 2020 is all about the pivot so um no but truly um i was all ready to go to new york and try to sell this thing like mid-late March. Really well aligned with travel suddenly becoming slightly more difficult. And instead, I actually did 14 publisher meetings over Zoom. Like everybody was interested in this. I mean, it's a book about the voice.

It's a book about like how what it is to like speak in public and to, you know things like they matter so i i think that i think it's a bit zeitgeisty um if you will um and i i totally was like a no one is gonna care because like there's a suddenly a global you know crisis and and b i can't fly to new york and have this like dream week i was gonna have away from my family no friends what i mean, look, okay. Yeah. Chocolate in your bathtub. I was like, I'm going to have,

I have a hotel in midtown. I'm going to like treat myself like a person. And then anyway, so all that went away. But, but truly there was like a huge amount of interest for this thing. But, but so I'm writing this book in the middle of a pandemic with no

childcare. Highly recommend. And one of my most recent search histories was which season I'm writing this book in the middle of a pandemic with no child care. Highly recommend. And one of my most recent search histories was which scene in Wonder Woman I wanted to reference to, like, encapsulate this thing about how she doesn't have a second of hesitation of like, oh, there's a there's a real world. There's a war going on in it. It's endless. A bunch of men can't solve it. I know. I'll come and fix it.

Which just felt like such a delightful, like, you know, ask a bunch of real world women, like, you know, is this something you're qualified for? And they'll be like, God, I don't know. I just don't have prior experience. She's like, fuck that. you just need that wonder woman energy the confidence of a mediocre white man she was like right i'm the one to fix it oh yeah right she's like i just met this guy named chris pine he's my first ever white man i've ever met um yeah i think i can probably do better yeah right damn he's also called chris i thought that was just a stereotype I heard on the island I was raised on that was invisible. Right, right.

Exactly, exactly. I heard all men are named Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Yep, yep. That is, yeah. Interesting. So did you, you were able to dial that moment in?

I was trying to decide between two. Well, I mean, this is also like, it's a little inside baseball because I actually was the dialect coach for her on the second movie. Oh, okay. Which has not yet come out. Revealed, revealed, revealed. I mean, it was supposed to this summer, but I don't know if you guys know there's a pandemic. I heard, yeah. I was looking forward to it.

Here's it's Wonder Woman 84, right? Yes, it is. Great year. Great year. So we jumped back in. I flew to D.C. two years ago and did a summer because it's supposed to take place in not only 1984 but also in Washington DC and I got to coach her and then she did a whole

other part of it in Europe where they were for another six months and they had a different coach for that so just to be really I want to take credit you know what as a podcast we will give you credit for everything that we've done with Doug does now including the video of when they were all singing to camera You know what? As a podcast, we will give you credit for everything Gal Gadot does now.

Thank you. Including the video of when they were all singing to camera during the pandemic. Yeah, we're going to give you credit for that, too. I heard you were the dialect coach for when everyone did the Imagine. No, I literally. No, you guys. I literally was like, should I text her and tell her? You're like, this is. Fuck.

I know. I had like six people write me and be like how's gal today and I was like stop stop I don't know I don't know I'm not actually

like her influencer I heard you in the back like it's imagine all the people exactly by the way by the way voice coach for speaking

not for singing no I'm adding singing I'm adding singing to it I'll hire you for that too based on the strength of that but no if she'd like run like the tonal the like tone deafness I'm adding singing to it. I'll hire you for that, too, based on the strength of that. But no, if she'd run the tonal, the tone-deaf-ness by me,

I would have had some opinions, but whatever. What is something that you think is overrated? Something you're looking out there and go, oof. Okay, guys. First of all, this is a little on the DNC, because I watched the whole thing last night or whatever, two nights ago. Good for you. I know.

I was really into it. I cannot do it. Okay. So, I mean, obviously, this is like my jam because I was thinking, professionally speaking, you know, I had on my podcast permission to speak Sarah Hurwitz she was Michelle Obama's speech writer for all the entire and Barak's I should say and Melania's

yes and in fact Melania was like I'll get the free version she's like someone turn on the captions on this YouTube video and write them down we're going to hear hers at the RNC and it's going to be Michelle's and she's going to be Michelle's. I hope it is.

And she's going to be like, it is what it is. And then the duck lips. Yeah. Yeah. So my overrated, okay, this just came to me and I feel like I'm just going to say something kind of controversial. The Star Spangled Banner.

Oh, no, you're right. Oh, yeah. Come on in. The water's warm. What is it about? What? I'm sorry. Some war that.

Yeah. Plus the slavery references that didn't make it to the version we sing out in public. The radio edit leaves out the whole paragraph about slaves and how they'll never be free. Yeah. It's like a perfect example of how like tradition, quote unquote, wins out over like common sense and like evolving as a culture. Right. And then just doing the thing. Watching all those kids with, you know, with like trying to like show the diversity of America.

Singing this fucking lame song. I'm sorry. Well, no, it's very much like America where it's like, yeah, we love this song. It embodies everything. And they're like, what about all that racist shit? All right, just cut that part out and ignore it. And then we'll pretend that never happened because this is America. Because we have to hold on to our ramparts, guys.

Can I just read it? What is America without the ramparts? Oh, my God, please, please. guys can i just read it what is america without the ramparts oh my god please please it's no refuge could save the ireling or enslave from terror of flight or the gloom of the grave and the star spangled banner in triumph doth wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave so like literally the end of the song right before they ended they were like wait wait wait wait wait a rhyme slave with brave shit i'm like i did not know that yeah no i mean this is i but you are you i think you caught on to something even deeper that doesn't it feels old it feels dated and like why do we need it

any like we're so i'm sorry i'm sorry just even even put uh my brain is breaking even putting slave next to free and brave no i mean you gotta hand it to them with the rhyme they were like how do we how does any other song top this because ours i don't know if you guys have ever heard of such a thing rhymes bars yeah exactly keys on the track like yeah he has a little like francis scott music like drop like maybach music what should we replace it with what's the thing that like you feel like most american i mean at this point because i was reading the takes about how a lot of uh right wing like racists were like i guess i have to boycott dolly parton because she black she backs black lives matter i'm like are y'all that sad you couldn't even y'all you're gonna have nothing although they say that on

twitter and then they're like just crying to jolene at home that's right that's right homeboy from the squid billies just got fired for doing that doing what taking shots at dolly yeah he took some real shots at dolly called her a slut and all types of yeah for backing black lives matter uh stewart d baker and they fired him honey but squid billies is like a very racist like kind of like making fun of like racist old tropes that show but i didn't know that he was like about that life yeah i was like yeah it's easy to watch because they're not taking it seriously like oh they okay so there's some real squid billies in there. Yeah, he said this freak-tittied old southern bimbo and called her a slut for forsaking her own race, culture, and heritage

by supporting Black Lives Matter. He's a full-on white supremacist. Damn. He's a whole-ass white supremacist. Also, going after Dolly, that is not going to end well. She's wonderful. You guys, I don't, this is like so accidental pluggy, but today, my

podcast drops with Shima Oliye, who's the producer of Dolly Parton's America. She gave me like so much about what it was like to just like be in the room with her, find her. Samara, I'm just going to call you on any given day. I'll be like, how does this intersect with your life? Because I know it does somehow. I just can't help it.

I can't help it. I've got to know your secret. I feel like this is why you had me on the Daily Zeitgeist, right? I'm like, my finger's on the pulse. We planned it out. We're like, I feel like this will be the day, will be the exact convergence of everything that's going on. You mentioned Dolly.

I didn't, but I'm like, I can't not point out that after you listen to this, head on over because. Yeah, because we got something for you. Dolly Parton's America was an amazing podcast series from last year, but the whole point of it is that like everyone loves Dolly. Don't fuck with Dolly. So like, sorry to this dude.

Yeah. Sorry to this, to everybody. What do you think is something that is underrated? I'm going to stay on theme and say, um, misting up, uh,

at democracy. I got really misty, like the entire, the entire DNC, even before Michelle, I was like, um, I don't know.

I just felt really, it is, you know, I felt hopey changey guys. Yeah. Oh, wow. A little hopey changey.

I haven't felt that in a long time. No, for sure for sure and i'm like what do you feel like i'm seriously grabbing it where i can get it i'm not saying it's there yeah yeah i'm saying it's in me but what it's like where do you feel like it came from like what moment do you feel like you were like oh you know what i honestly feel like eva longoria a okay wait don't make fun of me i I coached her. Not for this. But I did coach her. And I was like, Eva, you're killing it.

Everybody. Who came up with Eva for hosting this? I don't know. Was that not the randomest? No, because she's been working with the DNC since the Obamas. So she's really like, she can't be super hard for Barack. So she made her little foothold, honey. And she's out here. Senator Longoria pretty soon.

But still, being like the host alone on one of those sound stages that's like i don't know i mean i i appreciate it i also worked on a show on her show that she directed and produced a few years ago so i very much know that she has like a lot of hats right think of her as like the actress from desperate housewives but she's actually like a fucking boss so nothing surprised me about it except that i was like of all the people in the world i'm so did was the feet was the feeling for you is that we're in just like such a dark shitty like negative democracy fucked up period that just the mere glimpse of something that looked like that's like not overtly racist leadership like it was literally i'm gonna tell you this it was this like talk about the racist leadership like it was literally i'm gonna tell you this it was

this like talk about the bar being low it was literally just people being actually honest like saying things that are actually true when that woman came on and talked about her dad's only pre-existing condition when he died of covet being that he trusted donald trump it was like oh god thank you yeah this is a lot of hot takes i guess that's the thing where i i get like frustrated is i i want to then the follow-through which is like okay and then when you're in office like all those sentiments you expressed about like sort of the basic like levels of humanity that we have to extend to every person can we now articulate that into our laws to make that real rather than something like we just like it's a thing that like I it feels

really good because it's it's it's a great thing to reach for but in a way you're like we're like reaching for like what's at eye level or actually lower also which is what Michelle talks about I mean the fact that like and honestly the word decency got used so many times but it's like a lovely reminder that like humans can be human to each other which you know yeah i mean the news makes us feel like that's not possible so i was like yes i'm here yeah i'm tearing up what can i say you know i'm like but i kept noticing i was definitely like oh wow yeah i'm really really really trying to like i'm trying to be sentimental about this that gives me hope because i think that people where we need to get Democrats at is like, look, we both know that on each side, everybody's peddling us some bullshit. Politicians, eventually they get too steeped in their own shit.

They try to come up and they're no longer, you know, servants. They're people who are serving themselves. And that happens on both sides of the aisle. So, you know, whether it's Republicans trying to stew up racism to get people energized to vote. And, you know, on Democrats, it's like we stew up decency and kindness and love and hearts. And then they get in there and they sit on their asses and they don't do what they're supposed to either. Then you go to, like, Obamacare and, like, the Republicans are like, well, that's too much. Like, yeah, you're right.

OK, so we could dial that back. Right. What? Y'all just went in there saying that was a right. And now. And now it's not. Yeah. So it's the same thing.

But right now, you know, I've been doing a leg 2020 campaign, which recently went viral on TikTok. Did it? Yes. Oh, wow. I'm not on the ticking and the talking. Gen Z loves leg 2020, which is I love it so much. Leg 2020 in long and short is that Joe Biden once talked about police not shooting people,

innocent civilians in the heart, but perhaps shooting them in the leg. And so that's what I look at this election as is like Trump is a shot to the heart. Biden is a shot to the leg. So it's like 2020, baby. And so I'm actually excited that you got really galvanized by the DNC. I know you said you feel like it's corny, but I think it's amazing because we need people to be excited about voting, even if it's just you're voting out this crazy person. We have to be excited about doing it. I know. I know. I fully that's fully it. I mean, I'm excited. I was excited. Like,

yes. I mean, I think I was feeling like they were talking to Americans, not just to me. Right. And so I want other people to obviously be excited as well. And the other thing that they kept, they like quite a lot of of the speakers, including a lot of the people who ran against him of the speakers, including a lot of the people who ran against him for, you know, the Democratic nomination and didn't get it, did this really moving video about all the ways that he would like in between the commercial breaks when they were all fighting with each other, would like come over and say things like your idea was really good. Because he knew he already won. He said that to Cory Booker and Cory Booker cried and then I cried and I was like, fuck. But here's, but what I really mean is, look, I am so on the same page with you with Joe Biden.

He is A, problematic and B, not exciting. But I think he's a good listener and I think that that's actually like so underrated right now. The fact that he would collaborate, I'm like, collaboration 2020, like sign me the fuck up. Just please end the nightmare 2020 and then give us a moment to inhale so then we can exhale fully and then do really roll up our sleeves and start really taking up for like working people poor people and other marginalized people because it's interesting like for a lot of the things that the people that are going to be talking at the convention the amount of people that you want to speak directly to,

like the ideas of poverty and things like that in this country just aren't really there. Like, I know there are a lot of like well-meaning people, but we also need to elevate like the voices in the leadership roles or people who are making strides to make that like a real thing versus having John Kasich and being like hey man like maybe some we can get some republicans to see the lights like talk to like actually disenfranchised

people who like who need to be connected with their power and understand how they can also participate and we can all take this up together but that is a whole long other podcast that i have not made yet uh but maybe I will soon. Moving on to the next one. Finally, what is your myth, Samara? What is something that people think is true that you know to be false? I mean, I'm always here to talk about vocal fry. Vocal fry and upspeak, y'all.

What's the myth? I mean, the myth is that when you speak with vocal fry or with up speak, they are different from each other. So I don't want to put them in the same exact category, though I'm happy to talk about more. But you know what I mean. But the myth is that when you speak with vocal fry or up speak, you undermine yourself. No one will ever take you seriously, quote unquote. So many people have told this to me. So many people have told this to me.

And so many, I mean, as a coach, as well as as a podcast host, like this is this thing that my guests who are often experts in their field or whatever, big public figures will tell me in the break. And I'm like, wait, can we, I'm sorry, can we do this on air? Because we do, everyone needs to hear that as you're coming up, like well-meaning straight white men were taking you aside and saying, honey, you're never going to get taken seriously if you use upspeak. You're making all of your sentences sound like questions. And the reality is, you know, there's two realities. The reality is there's two realities.

One is we definitely can like add more tools to our toolbox. We can notice what our habits are and and you know different things work in different rooms if you're trying to like be heard by the old guard and the other reality is like we're changing the fucking world get out of our way and if we use vocal fry and up speak or fill in the blank anything that is a marker of your you know your age your race your gender your nationality your your group, your tribe. Like that's us. That's us showing us.

So hi, welcome to us. So basically, yeah, so fuck the speech police. Does Barack Obama use upspeak? It's a great question. I think there's two different versions of upspeak. So one of them is where you sort of habitually, accidentally end all of your thoughts with a question. Right? So like that is a habit. It's a habit we pick up from our friends it is not something to demonize it's just something to notice and be like do i do this all the time right and you can make a

recording and listen back and be like does it bother me if it doesn't bother me fine the honestly gen z coming up it feels so normal to them that they hear that and think of leadership right i just want to like put a pin in that right wow and then the other way right same thing with vocal fry like this is that sort of generational thing where the older people look at the younger people and say they're ruining the english language yeah and i just kind of want to be like hey hold on what's up it's like the linguistic equivalent of like your parents tell you yeah that wants to talk like we're in the pictures yeah exactly exactly what were you gonna say No, it's like the vocal equivalent, like, pull your pants up. Yeah, exactly.

100%. And no one remembers that the older generation was telling them, you know, like the word copacetic was going to ruin the world or whatever. The other part of vocal fry, though, or sorry, the other part of up speak for Lacey's amazing question is that actually just an example of it. If we have a long thought, we like I just did long thought. We do an up speak in the middle to to show it's not the end of our thought yet. And then maybe we go down at the end. So we're using we we, you know, native English speakers are using pitch all the time to show like I'm in this part of the thought.

I have a little bit more to go. Oh, my God. I have a little parenthetical over here. Then I'm going to come back to where I was. Sure. We do that when we're feeling comfortable, by the way. We get super monotone when we're not comfortable and we start like losing our audience because they aren't getting those markers that they need of like where are you in the thought? So Barack Obama does a lot of up speak, but it's in the middle to be like,

so this thing's happening and now I'm going to settle it. Yes. Oh, bump set spike. Right, which is a little different than I'm setting it up and now I'm going to settle it. Right, that is different. But is it sad? I mean, it leaves people feeling like,

is it done or isn't it? Which is part of why, you know, whatever's well-meaning straight white matter. Any tips for Donald Trump and his speech? No, his tip, his tip is continue to like speak and, and like hang himself,

you know, with his own words, like whatever. I mean, who knows how effective those, that will even be, but we'll get into that after we take this quick break and we'll be right back.

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We'll learn more about some of the most iconic heroes in the ring. This is Lucha Libre Behind the Mask. Listen to Lucha Libre Behind the Mask as part of My Cultura Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you stream podcasts. In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds. Sword Quest. This wasn't just a new game. Atari promised $150,000 in prizes to four finalists.

But the prizes disappeared. And what started as a video game promotion became one of the most controversial moments in 80s pop culture. I just don't believe they exist. My reaction, shock and awe. That sword was amazing. It was so beautiful. I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Sword Quest, a podcast about the fall of Atari and the disappearing Sword Quest prizes.

We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades. It's almost like a metaphor for the industry and Atari itself in a way. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Bruce Bozzi. On my podcast, Table for Two, we have unforgettable lunch after unforgettable lunch with the best guest you could possibly ask for. People like David Duchovny.

You know, New Yorkers have a reputation of being very tough, but it's not. It's not that way at all. They're very accepting. Are you saying secret fries? Secret fries. What? That's what you're saying? Yeah.

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get your podcast. And we're back. And all this convention talk, just want to take a moment to spotlight some of the thinkers, some of the luminaries from the right that will be speaking at the Republican Convention, because it's truly, truly an impressive uh roster they've put together um since it is the racist uh fourth quarter uh and it's time to to just bring out all the all the tools to try and win this game uh it turns out that actually the the roster of speakers looks more like it's just stacked with culture war icons and people that symbolize the violent rejection of our pleas for equality so uh the for one of the first people we caught wind of that is going

to be speaking at the convention is the maga teen himself nicholas sandman who was the boy who wore the uh maga hat and then was in a face-to-face confrontation with a tribal elder and then sued CNN and the Washington Post, who he just settled his multi-million dollar lawsuits with. I don't know how much, how caked up this kid is now. He won? He settled. CNN settled his $275 million case. The Washington Post settled his $250 million case. We don't know what the settlement was for, but they settled um so i don't know exactly what he is going to bring to this presidential convention um but maybe he will talk about how hard it is to go to private school and then maybe scare the rest of america being

like well you know kamala harris will make everyone start using s curl in on their hair in this country uh and texturize her if she is in the white house i don't know exactly what perm 2020 yeah everyone is getting it's like and if your baby hairs aren't laid you will go to jail uh so the other thing i i really don't know what it what the point is of him um but i think it's really just this whole thing of like you you put a kid up like that who they're like they completely got it wrong because the the full context of the video granted like shows a little bit more than like what was sort of cropped out but the fact is they're gonna just prop them up there to be like you see liberals hate our great nation uh and they hate everything about america

uh and i think that's the sort of the the of the role he will serve. Can we, when was that video? Because in my mind, it was like seven years ago already. Yeah, the magazine, honestly, it was probably last summer. I mean, in addition to all of the other larger atrocities, I also would like to say relevance. Yeah, so we have him going well i just want to say quickly we made him famous liberals made him famous yeah um and it's our fault you guys we have to stop trying to freaking we talked about this on this podcast before stop trying to dunk on republicans and and you know races because you're giving them money we

just gave this boy millions of dollars and he's a piece of shit and it's our fault stop retweeting this stuff so that you can dunk on somebody you're making them rich so how do you how would what would you do nick the magazine shows up you just it's it's about like what you're saying is to resist that temptation to just sort of have like the ego stacking of being like he's down here he's down here racist, then I'm going to be up here for having a take on his racism. Because what good does it do? Racists aren't reading, you know, white fragility. They don't give a fuck about being better. So you're not teaching anybody anything.

If you're at the actual protest and you want to come up to the little boy and I don't know, give him a shake and then absolutely. But if you're on Twitter, all you're doing is trying to get likes and retweets. And guess what? You're getting him likes and retweets too and now you just got the little boy paid we all have to stop that other blonde woman all them blonde women who say stupid stuff that black lady with her dry ass hair we gotta stop talking about her we have to stop yes we

have to stop empowering them you know she is a she's got more fire patrol she should have more fire patrol than like california like in our brush fires her hair is drier than the brush honey it can go up in flames at any moment see i'm doing it right now we have to stop see but that's what i'm saying to your point though can you do it because i'm and i'm not trying to put you out there but i have a feeling if you saw some shit you knew you could have a funny take on you would be tweeting that shit too i really don't do it when it comes to white racists i stopped doing it a long time ago you'll never see me retweeting them i think i have dragged uh miss dry hair uh once or twice

um and terry cruz obviously because he can't just sit there and eat his steroids he always got to be talking but even that i'm trying to limit it i see i see what we have whenever what the thing is like to your point is the outrage makes these people culture war figures on the right that then they can then all rally around because that brings us to the next duo of speakers and hold on hold on to your butts and your trigger locks because the convention people at the convention will also get the opportunity to have the shook white couple from st louis that pulled guns on protesters that had mustard stains all over their shit uh they will have a chance to get their takes off as well and i you know these people caught fucking felony charges for great like waving guns at people uh for no reason and again because

everyone is sort of like you got to have these culture war people because i think the the sort of the elegance if you want to call it and what the rnc is doing is they want to put in analogs for the average american person to be like i could have been nicholas sandman you know like my son could have been nicholas sandman my parents could have been these people who pulled gun brandished weapons to like motivate them more to sort of feel like, these are the stakes because of the libs or Black Lives Matter or whatever boogeyman thing they're using to maintain white supremacy.

So it's just viral racist, where are they now? Like then what next? We get Amy Cooper's dog. Yeah, right? The dog is leading like the happiest life ever back at the upbound. It's doing like a nice family. she got that dog back like a week later oh oh y'all didn't know that amy cooper got the dog back what did she threaten to sue or something i don't know what happened but they gave her the

dog back child because i was watching and i was pissed but they gave her that dog back so i think the dog could show up at the rC as well absolutely uh backyard barbecue Becky oh yes like all the all the early uh viral racist people so you have barbecue Becky uh the other woman who's like do you live here I need a Karen mascot

someone needs to be dressed up as Karen leading the Karen gang oh yeah like a kick line there could be a kick line like Millie rocking on the stage and shit they're like oh we got the Karen moves in them folks and shit i could see that happening i mean it's it's all just it's just sloppy and it shows you you know and i think this is a good time to just pivot to what was going on with the dnc and michelle obama's speech which for about 15 17 or so minutes gave a really like you know to your point samara like she comes out she's like i hate politics okay like i just but every now and then i have to come out and just speak to everybody because i'm seeing things that i don't like

and here we go um it was really something else it was really just awesome like y'all the fuck is going on right now like when barack and i left like shit was okay and then now this and you're fucking around the idea of having another four years oh no no no this is all kinds of bad please wake up they are trying to steal this election so if that means you have to pack a breakfast lunch and dinner in a paper bag to stand in line for hours then you might have to do that because this they are not playing on the right. Like they are actively trying to steal the election. And I think that was a very poignant like the way she expressed that was, I think, a good thing for many people to hear that it's not just about like you have to vote there on. There's an added layer on top of this election where seemingly based on intelligence reports, you have cooperation and interaction with Russian misinformation and the president talking about it.

Senators retweeting it, the tampering of the Postal Service. This is not a fucking game. And I really appreciated that. And then just like the other stuff was also bummed me out so bad because a lot of the pleas she was making to like the country was essentially just from a place where we're absolutely failing to do that as a nation, to take care of each other, to actually have the overarching sentiment within Americans to be, if someone is not doing well and I'm seeing that, and there's a way for me to help, let's try and figure out a way to help because there's plenty of money within these borders to do it. It's about changing things internally. Now, I don't know how much I can count on either established party to sort of upend those dynamics that would put people over shareholder value and profits. But I think it's

a thing that people need to start putting in their minds to at least begin letting go of a binary of Republican and Democrat and more of just like, can we all adopt a feeling that there's a base level of fairness and equality and that just strive for something like that? But I'd love to hear everybody else's thoughts on her. I think I'm just in the mindset of like what you said. It's like greatly disappointed that we're like, OK, y'all. So what we want is y'all stop killing each other. And I don't know. Be kind. Stop running each other over with cars, cops. Maybe stop murdering everybody.

We're asking for so little that it's deeply disappointing. But I think that everyone needs to look at voting like your act of protest. It's not about getting rock hard for a candidate this time around. It's literally getting that whack going getting that whack look you're not gonna have no whack when you go to the polls okay 2020 yeah when you take leg 2020 to the polls your pussy gonna be dry and that's okay and that is okay just don't put the biggest mac into your garage yeah right but you know it is an act of a little lubrication and it's crazy how much you know donald trump has really

warped the minds of people even when it comes to the usps of him saying like oh it's lost eight billion dollars it's a service bruh are we saying the military has lost 700 billion dollars as of 2019 no no but yeah we don't even know what the military does on a day-to-day basis nobody gives you at least i know when my mail gets somewhere that the mail came. Nobody's telling me what the fuck the military is doing overseas. Nobody's like, here's your military update. It's like, I never thought of this. The military is like business to business.

Like, there's no customers. So we're not, we have no idea. No. What are you guys doing? No. How do we know that they're doing a good job? We've had wars that have spanned decades. Oh, you know how you tell?

Like, what's, I'm not satisfied. You know how well they did? Look at how destabilized the entire military the middle east is that's how that's how you saw the job the military did there's your receipts right there and it's absolute death and destruction absolutely nothing it's micro militarism these campaigns of like conquest that make no sense for the united states government that are just like and also trying be like, And also trying to outsource or whatever the word is, export democracy when clearly like, we're not doing so great at it at home.

We don't even have it. That's what we learned over the past three and a half years that we never had democracy. We never had it. And it's a shame because the post office, like the mail carrier that I grew up with is probably the most the most familiar representative of the government to me of like of some kind of federal anything i can't i don't have no

relationship with politicians aside from maybe working ones when i was working in politics but like someone who like i care about i've never cared about like my neighborhood watch police officer who like when i became a teenager started treating me differently because i was like no longer like cute like blazing kid but like what's going on like it's i i the only relationship i have is like with my mail carrier she's like been there like she brought me my college rejection letters and shit you know she was like hey she's like yeah she's like i'm not gonna lie bro these ones are light i'm like ah damn all right well i guess i'll figure it out later or like you know waiting for packages and shit that i was like oh these sneakers or fucking whatever the fuck it was like

i give a fuck about her it's interesting to think that for most people your mail carrier that like if you lived in one place for long enough you probably do at the very least someone you said hi to uh and it's like you you know maybe gave him a christmas card hopefully you do because they deserve it but like that's it's i feel like it's just going to be a really interesting relationship to try and break americans up with because i just know personally i feel very like about this as a very narrow service of the united states government like i have a relationship to it and the people that work there. I will say this about the post office because I was reading a thread about on Twitter about like why the post office is important. And obviously Twitter is not necessarily always the most reliable source for information.

But there was a guy who worked at a funeral home there and did some research into this. I think it's true. But he was saying that USPS is the only way to send people ashes of their loved ones if they're far away and so he was like if we don't have this then i'm not going to be able to mail people their loved ones if they're not close enough to like pick them up which i was like whoa i didn't even realize wow yeah is due to reveal that. Yeah. And especially right now, man. I think there's some new news from this morning that DeJoy, I cannot believe that's his name. Yes.

DeJoy. Louis DeJoy. Is changing his tack. He definitely said with the words, I don't because it's like one of those things where you trust but you have to verify the fuck out of that shit because when you look at the amount of machinery and equipment and the ability to do overtime to sort the mail has been taken away and i know he's saying like obviously the most important thing is that we will deliver that and the part the postal service plays in this election is major and we will not mess around with that that is a good talking point but until like we

hear less reports and you know the cries of help from the actual postal workers who are saying like are the the morale is so low like the one thing we that like we pride ourselves in as this organization is that like when the mail comes in we process it and it's like we get it done and we just do it because we love the job. There are people who have to wake up like just after one o'clock to open their local post office and like help begin, get the machinery going to keep the mail flowing. So, yes, I like it's a good soundbite, but I think all too often we are soothed by the soundbite and we're not we don't actually get the real remedy coming through. So. Right. And I just put that up. It is true that the USPS is the only way to send those things. Legally. Legally. I just want.

That's why I put that caveat out there, because there is a way to get it done. You know, what are you up to? I mean, let's put in... What's your ash experience? Though what you do is you pack it up in some cellophane, get that shit brick packed, and then put some Vaseline on the outside, then another layer of cellophane, duct tape, then some nutmeg. Just throw the sniffing dogs off. Wow. And then, you know, put that shit in a hollow body guitar. Send that shit across the U.S.

And you've got your dog's ashes. But yeah. Okay. Back to the point about Michelle Obama. So Chris Wallace was even like, he was on Fox News

was even like, that was a heck of a contribution. He was like, she really flayed, this is a quote, she really flayed, sliced and diced

Donald Trump. Talking about the chaos and confusion and lack of empathy, especially coming from this president and this White House trump talking about the chaos and confusion and lack of empathy especially coming from this president and this white house spoke more about the deficits of donald trump than the pluses of joe biden but did talk about especially not so much policies but especially his empathy and what he has been through and his care for average americans the speech was very effective um that did not you know again uh donald trump was upset uh not only i'm sure by the comments

coming from fox news but because uh a black woman was saying things out loud that weren't donald trump is my president y'all please subscribe to diamond and milk or silk or whatever the fuck it is uh if this was so everything is seen as an attack and so he whined on twitter he's like the obama administration they were so corrupt. And look what happened. He sort of essentially says, you can thank Obama for me happening, because he was basically implying that if Obama and Biden hadn't mishandled the country so much, he wouldn't have had to take over. It was very confusing. But surprisingly, he didn't go too much directly at Michelle Obama obama although they're disgustingly many of his followers have on social media saying like using all kinds of

disgusting nicknames and racist shit so it's america y'all and it's an election year i came in so hopeful to this conversation well you know there's still hope you know i think again miles buzzkill gray well you know i have to pardon me also like i can't i think because working in politics i've become so cynical of sort of like saying the good thing at the right time and then when it comes down to like throw down we're just not able to do it um for whatever i know i mean but and the other and and like unrelated but related the other part of it is that that I feel like what happens with social media, what happens with stuff like the responses to Michelle Obama is that like the awful humans in our country are louder. But that doesn't mean there's more. And we don't know. No, I don't know the numbers and so we just are like it's like psychological

to just like get overwhelmed by like oh well so apparently like 90 of americans are like the worst fucking humans and i might as well leave oh yeah and i just and i'm always like but maybe i mean i don't think that's true actually and i think that's part of what like what the 18 minutes of michelle was was us just like getting to sit and remembering the feeling that there may be absolutely atrocious racist humans in our country. Maybe maybe is many are and and that they're just loud. They're not the majority. They're just loud. They're not the majority. They're just fucking loud. Yeah, and I think it's time for anyone of good conscience to be just as loud with how they vote.

And also, if you're in the state of California, vote no on Prop 22. That's the one that the ride-sharing companies are trying to keep everybody as independent contractors while saying, like, no, they love it. They don't. Okay, we do need to touch on this next story because it's very important okay uh we saw ben shapiro try to take shots uh in all the pearl clutching that was going on from

the conservative media sphere uh and also yeah like ben shapiro realizing that maybe his wife may not know the feeling of sexual gratification um cardi and megan have shown that they cannot fall they do not fall they only make hits they cannot miss uh the whole thing got completely blown out of proportion because they couldn't wrap their minds about that just owning their sexuality and being like yeah this is this is what time it is um the billboard charts show that this song wasn't just like some flash in the pan hit. Like it's it's a fucking hit. It is debuted on at number one on the Billboard Hot 100 chart with 93 million U.S. streams in one week. That's the most ever.

That beats Ariana Grande's Seven Rings, which was finger barbecue. I don't know if you remember her tattoo she got. Oh, yes. That's a finger barbecue. Yeah. which was finger barbecue i don't know if you remember her tattoo she got oh yes uh that's a finger barbecue yeah um that one only did 85.3 in the first week so this is uh you know this is what i'm saying about the numbers you guys you know yeah i showed it to my dad i showed him the music video and he had already heard the explicit song. And he was just like, y'all can put this on TV. Y'all can put this on TV.

I was like, yeah, that censorship has changed. And he was like, okay, all right. Because, I mean, the video is pretty explicit considering, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I mean, but it's like absurdist. It's like absurdly explicit. Like it's playful. It's not like a two live crew video that like came on.

There was a VHS tape that like someone got it. Like a free kick party. Yeah. Yeah. It's not uncut. But it's interesting because we talked earlier about us lifting up conservatives when we retweet and dunk on them. But also conservatives just uplifted WAP when they made their videos. It works both ways. Yeah. Rush Limbaugh's like, stop talking abouted WAP when they made their videos. It works both ways.

Yeah, Rush Limbaugh's like, stop talking about their WAPs and their raps, or else they are beating Ariana Grande on the charts. That is a problem. I don't know. I prefer songs where men talking about cunnilingus. That is my preferred type of song. 112, Peaches and cream uh love that song uh novelle if you remember peach i could eat a peach for hours that was another great track from

the early 2000s i mean i it's it's interesting to see the the pendulum swing back and forth but truly i think was the most upsetting thing for a lot of conservatives like how could they advocate for their own sexual gratification like what what do they mean what is this what would it be like to live in a world yeah that was like wait hold on not surprising women they're gonna tell me my pullout game week my dick week oh no no no no no no women want to enjoy sex oh that's why you want to be virgin so they'd never had it before and they don't have no idea what are the other good so i think the only i the good hits about men going down are peach i think i can only think of peaches and cream and that other song peach by novel novel whatever however you said his name yeah because then i'm only thinking of women like kia had my neck my back yep trina's had some some salacious hits about the you know now some some

i can't i can't think of any men yeah men get i mean obviously we know dj khaled doesn't go down he's professed that online we think dj khaled was like like funding these like hey get don't don't don't make that thing cool yet man because i'm the man i'm the king you know so the way i honor my wife is saying how do you like your food how do you like the house that you live in you're like dj khaled please sir figure it out all right well let's take another quick break and then we'll get back to talking allen and Pumpkin Spice everything. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life.

It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session. 24 hours. BPM 110, 120. She's terrified. Should we wake her up? Absolutely not.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds. Sword Quest. This wasn't just a new game. Atari promised $150,000 in prizes to four finalists. But the prizes disappeared. And what started as a video game promotion became one of the most controversial moments in 80s pop culture. I just don't believe they exist.

I mean, my reaction, shock and awe. That sword was amazing. It was so beautiful. I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Sword Quest, a podcast about the fall of Atari and the disappearing Sword Quest prizes. We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades. It's almost like a metaphor for the industry and Atari itself in a way. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back.

And the investigation into workplace abuse that was going on at the Ellen Show has began to trigger some firings based on like that BuzzFeed and Variety articles that had come out in the last couple months. Three senior producers have been ousted from the show. And this was like a lot of the, if you read that BuzzFeed article, it was alleging a lot of dark, abusive shit that was going on with these, like one producer was grooming another staff member and then eventually, you know,

forced himself on them or attempted to. So these are the things that a lot of people are saying, like, just on top of what it's like to work for Ellen, the whole thing is just a mess. And apparently, Ellen addressed the 200 staffers of the show on Monday to sort of discuss what was going on. This is in Variety. They say, quote, according to according to multiple sources degenerates told the staff that she was quote not perfect and realized that in the effort for the show to run as a quote well-oiled machine sometimes leaders were not as sensitive to quote human beings uh as they should have been she added that reading disturbing

allegations about the atmosphere on the show was, quote, heartbreaking. I want to quote Remember the Titans. Attitude reflect leadership. Wow. Capping. Wow, you really want to. That's a deep cut for you guys if you

remember Remember the Titans, but listen, I don't want Ellen to murder me, so I can't say too much because I know some horrible stories honey um i know many that are very wild i'll tell y'all when we off the air some of them if i haven't already but um voice altered and it'll be like a netflix special like the drug trade it'll be like ellen confessions like i was a pa in 2003 you know what i mean yeah i need the voice alter i need my name not to be on it. But we knew that this was going to happen because previously some of her producers had come out as soon as rumors started to swirl,

as soon as these articles first dropped, and they were like, listen, anything that happens at the Ellen show is my responsibility and all my fault. Like, they came out immediately like, we're going to fall on the sword. You know, I'm going to put on my best gown to just do a death drop onto this sword.

So we knew, like, ew, death drop onto this sword so we knew like onto the sword like we knew the girls get down we knew the girls were gonna fall on the sword for ellen my favorite thing is all the people coming out to support ellen in these ways that almost seem like i'm like blink twice if you like need help like jay leno was like ellen is a wonderful human being she donated 125 billion dollars to charity she is my friend i love her and it was like who jay who wrote this right she's also pouring gasoline on my car collection and threatening to strike a match uh but i love her yeah i mean it's it is what it is i think this is part of uh you know i think as we move into this new era between the Me Too movement and the BLM uprisings and things like that,

people are just less about just sort of cowering in awkwardness in the face of just vile shit. And I'm hoping that this trend continues where not only you advocate for yourself, but people are advocating for others and their workplaces or their life situations. Because I was saying this yesterday, just kind of about like how the office sort of encapsulates this mentality of sort of like man remember when people say awful shit and all you

could do is just be like oh yeah and not just be like yo shut the fuck up michael you want let's go outside motherfucker before you like that's the kind of energetic switch not that you're becoming violent but very much stopping any kind of abuse or mistreatment and dead in its tracks, because that's, again, the bare minimum we can do to try and create inequitable tomorrow that we can all get pumped up about. And I know that a lot of white people are very shocked that this is happening. They're like, well, why is everybody getting mad now? And it was like, well, we didn't get mad before because we were mad, but we just went home and screamed into our pillows at night because we needed to pay rent.

Right, exactly. So now there's an opportunity. just went home and screamed into our pillows at night because we needed to pay rent so right exactly so now there's an opportunity the boat was an existential threat and now it's no longer rocking the boat it's like i'll i'll capsize this motherfucker if we don't get this shit right i don't give a fuck because i'm tired being on this motherfucking slave ship okay now let's move on to pumpkin spice lattes because we need a bit of respite respite however you want to say that from all of this chaos um last year there was like seismic shifts because pumpkin spice lattes were coming out a little bit sooner than normal uh in august we're like isn't this a fall drink duncan controversially uh did it in august and people were like losing their heads over it.

This time they're saying, you know what, we're going two days sooner than last year to August 19th. We're turning this thing all the way fucking up. So actually today you can begin getting your pumpkin spice lattes from Dunkin'. So this is also coinciding with Starbucks also being like, well, fuck, if everyone's jumping on on that train maybe we do need to shift everything up and when you look at like starbucks specifically their revenue fell by like 38 percent wow because that coffee commute is over yeah and i think it's just it's different now like it was almost just like a it was like a cigarette break for people to be like yo you want to get a coffee or something like that you want to go down really quick and even though you don be like, yo, you want to get a coffee or something like that? You want to go down really quick? And even though you don't like coffee, just gave you a thing to do or

like a cheap thing to buy. So you could like scratch your consumer itch. I think that's, that was like kind of the genius of Starbucks is like, Hey, everybody can buy this little cup and walk around with it. And it's only like a dollar or whatever. So they have taken a huge hit to their revenues. And you know, I think everything makes makes sense because it's a huge, huge draw. Like, apparently in 2015, there are reports that, like, the pumpkin spice just industry was worth a half billion dollars,

just in 2015. Like, if you were in the pumpkin spice game, that was a half billion, like, industry. If you were slaying that spice, listen, that spice is everything. I know we all say it's a basic bitch treat or whatever but when you get a pumpkin spice latte i swear like uggs just appear on your feet no but i was gonna say i mean it's like 100 degrees today you know i'm like whatever who cares about the season? But I truly don't actually feel excited about pumpkin spice when I feel like I have an Ugg around my entire body.

But Zamarra, you're in your house. It can be whatever temperature you want in your house. You get you a hot pumpkin spice, you turn the air down to 65 degrees, you put on your Uggs. Yeah, and then pay your $400 energy bill. What I just realized is that I also, I have a five-year-old, so I'm always trying trying to get out of the house with him because like it's way more interesting than just staying in the house with him. And we're like five and a half months into this thing. So it's true that now I'm realizing that my pumpkin spice like aversion may be due to the mistake of having a child. I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry. I take back all of my complaints no that's amazing because I'm sure the parents out there are like you know when we planned this we didn't know we were going to be in the house for six months with this little girl for reals when we all win the reality of what the pandemic entailed plus like

obviously not being able to go back to school the kids going back to their school I mean I feel like all of my mom friends were like uh didn't calculate for that. Back up, back up, back up. But worry not. If it's too hot for coffee and you don't want to go to Starbucks, there are even seltzers, alcoholic seltzers, Vive or Vive. In September 20th, they are coming with the pumpkin spice hard seltzer.

they are coming with the pumpkin spice hard seltzer there was like a joke last year i remember where like it was like a meme where well there was like a white claw that was like pumpkin spice because like it was sort of that wave of where what the white claw way was like yo white claw and they're like pumpkins but that was fake but apparently vive vive however if you want to respect the french language uh joie de vivre you you can have this uh whole thing as well so oh my god i i can't wait to get pumpkin spice seltzer i cannot wait i'm i'm ready i'm ready to do it just drink i love the idea that they saw the meme last year and they were like wait but what if we just like yeah do it it might just work, though. I need this. Wacky enough.

Yeah, well, September 2020, you know, we could have a vibe. At least they're waiting till a respectable fall date. Yeah, thank you. Exactly. They're not so eager to just start profiting off of our nostalgia, which is actually one of the reasons what, you know, a lot of like sort of experts and consumer sort of pattern analysts are kind of saying is like we kind of really need this right now because of the pandemic the like you know like it or not pumpkin spice season is like a marker of time in like culturally depending on how engaged you are with this kind of nonsense but like it does it does be like, oh, right. Pumpkin spice time.

Even though I've been in my home and months are blurred, like blending together, they're saying like, this is actually gives people a little bit of structure by doing this. Not that I think these companies are thinking about it like that sort of overtly, but like there is this, like, we just do have a need to have these sort of markers of time passing given the pandemic. a need to have these sort of markers of time passing given the pandemic. And also that the, we have like this, a lot of people are just regressing or turning to nostalgia to cope with their anxiety at the moment. Like it's just a very natural response because even if we realize it or not, it just helps

like by reengaging with sort of nostalgic things gives us a little bit of stability or takes the chaos down a little bit more and that has truly like you know that's another reason where we're almost all of these things are i think kind of swirling together so it could be a big psl season uh we don't know but i i definitely agree with like the nostalgia thing because i find myself like being like i'm only watching things from like the 20th century like i want to go i need to go back i watch mind numbing stuff for sure but also like i've taken up rollerblading now every tuesday i go rollerblading with the skate gang and we go out to the park i'm gonna go you're rollerblading yeah rollerblading but only on flat surfaces because the first time I rollerbladed, guys, I crashed into a car, slid underneath it, set off the car alarm in front of all these people.

And I was like, it's cool. I'm fine. I'm fine. There's a lot of secret hills in LA that people don't know about called Every Street. Every Street is a Hill. Where'd that hill come from? Like, I got out of my apartment and I was rolling and I was like, wait a minute, I didn't start rolling. Who's rolling?

And I was like, ah! But now I rollerblade on flat ground at the park. a minute i didn't start rolling who's rolling but now i roll a blade on flat ground at the park okay i didn't know well look at you i gotta i gotta find my old roller blades activity yes this looks delightful yes wait i'll tell you after i'll tell you yeah you know because cyclavia is so, like, 2012. You know what I mean? People on bikes. Is it Cyclavia or Cyclavia? I have never heard that said out loud. Cyclavia sounds better than Cyclavia.

I like Cyclavia. I'm sorry. Because of your vive vive, I just had to be like, I don't know. I defer to you. I always give the bougie pronunciation. Cyclavia. Yeah, exactly. give the bougie pronunciation you know yeah exactly uh later on i would be going to papayas chicão for a sandwich uh because i love it but yeah i think i don't know what what have y'all been doing nostalgia wise nostalgia because i know based on your tweets uh lacy we're both

obviously watching silent sunset that's done and dusted. And that's too current. But what are some nostalgia things that you all are engaging in? This is way literal. I just spent two weeks at my parents' house. Oh, wow. I know. It's sort of not the house I grew up in, so it didn't really give me those vibes. But definitely did not expect to stay that long. It's driving distance from LA, um, in Northern California, like six hours. And, uh, my kid and I just, we got negative COVID tests and we're like, all right, we're going to do this. Yeah.

We hit the road that day and the day that we like got the text. And, um, I mean, I, I like didn't know how much clothes to bring. I've never like taken a trip where I didn't sort of have an end date, it did feel like i was being um uh cooked a kid again yeah right you're like your laundry you're like they're like samara pick up your underwear off the floor a little bit oh my god this is so charming right you're like actually you're my mom now so i don't care what about you lacy honestly i could say the thing. I just got back from being home. I went home, too. Well, I went kind of like on my own mini E-Pray love, like E-Pray hope.

So I went to D.C. I went to Jersey, New York, and then I went to Texas. And I know what you're thinking. This is like a COVID tour, but I did it the most safe way. I'm COVID negative. You flew on a private jet. I was going to say, yeah which is listen i know it's bad for the environment but that's my reparations if i don't get 40 acres and a mule i get to travel on a private jet everywhere they go yeah yeah yeah no no but on a credit card i found at a dga meeting right i i will say fyi

guys like delta is doing a really good job of social distancing if you want to take a flight with them that's the one i heard about. It's really doing good stuff. American Airlines is like, get on this bus, you raggedy bitch, and sit on top of your neighbor and breathe in each other's mouths. Oh, shit. So fly with Delta. Because we're American. Yeah, right. They're doing it the American way.

They're going to be at the RNC too, guys. Exactly, right? They're like, yeah, on United, we're about to unite these germs, which all y'all, so good luck on here. Now they do, American does have their little speech that they do beforehand that's like, you have to wear a mask. I'm not interested in that. Don't cape for these airlines.

Tell me about your trip home. Wait, but did you use multiple airlines on this trip? So this is you giving us the- You better not, because you better rack that mileage up on one carrier. Why are you spreading it out? I think I'm commuting to Delta now, but I did have to do- It's a pandemic. Let her do whatever to get across the country. Thank you. Because I didn't buy return flights.

Like you were saying, Samara, I just bought a return flight when I felt like leaving, because they're not spiking like they normally do. So it would be like I would be somewhere, and I'd be like, I've had enough. That's like an Uber almost. You're like, hey, man. You pull up to the airport like, when's the next one going to LA? You're like, I mean, we could probably get you. When do you want to leave? That is nostalgic. That's like an Uber almost. You're like, hey, man, you can pull up to the airport like, when's the next one going to LA? You're like, I mean, we can probably get you when you want to leave. That is nostalgic.

That's the very 1950s. Right? I get myself an airplane flight today. At the airport, yeah. One ticket to New York, sir. It definitely felt like that. I felt like I was buying bus tickets. Welcome to TWA.

Yeah, exactly. So that was my nostalgia. And my mom was cooking and we played pochino uh which is like oh shit do you know what pochino is i've seen it played i've never played it myself it's like this old school game that my parents love to play with their friends and stuff where you like use dimes and it's basically almost bingo but with cards but we would play pochino at the table and spades and stuff and it just felt like i felt like i was a child again for a little bit it was nice yeah i thought i just realized that one of my moments was this is

this is not the same as playing games but uh my parents my whole childhood this is like so revealing of me my whole childhood my parents got like a physical copy of the new york times and they would share it across the table and just like breakfast was kind of not talking because they were just like looking at and then they would like hit they like have it open like a like true newspaper style and like hit it and when when like crazy things were going on and go like ha can you believe today blah blah blah and they were doing that oh my god your dad was a sitcom i was like what are they straight out of central casting it was like it was like 1990 all over again and i was like oh god this is i mean it's so charming and i was like on my ipad. And I was like, oh, God, this is, I mean, it's so charming.

And I was like on my iPad scrolling and they were like. How's your parents' cardigan game? Are they on point with the knitwear? I have to like one up you. They're kind of velour game. Oh, shit. That's kind of smooth, though. They're pretty adorable.

They're pretty adorable. And they're also very practical. Like they both pretty adorable and they're also very practical like they both have like they've they've gravitated towards one each that they just sort of

like wear for four days in a row and then like launder because no one's leaving the house they're taking this very seriously wow she's like

yeah my mom wore a baby fat velour tracksuit and my dad wore a fat farm yeah a fat farm yeah exactly honestly my dad

is starting to get holes in it and I was I kind of called him on that. And he's like, I've had it since like the 70s. It's the coolest. And I was like, I mean, what am I going to say? Great.

Just keep doing it. Whatever. Good ad for that if it's lasted this long. Right. Samara, thank you so much for joining us today. It's been a pleasure. It's been a wonderful time. We're learning every day.

And please check out her podcast as well, Permission to Speak. But yeah, where can people find you and follow you and do all of that good stuff? And what's a tweet that you like? I'm kind of Instagram-ier more than I am Tweety. Sure. But at Permission to Speak pod is a pretty good one. My personal is at Smart Bay. And yeah, I mean, all things voice and speech.

But I have to say i define that very broadly it's about like power structures in america and you know that's kind of fucking everything oh yep yep yep yep yep is there a tweet you like or any kind of social media posts that you think's worth sharing talking made you laugh um this i brought something in from um roxanne gay uh she she retweeted Ralph Nader, that guy. And Ralph Nader had said, I sent AOC the following letters suggesting ways she can broaden

her progressive impact and help many people now that she is in the media spotlight. She has not replied despite repeated requests. And Roxane Gay wrote, LOL, oh my God, wow. Successful woman.

Didn't talk to man. She didn't know who had offered unsolicited advice so he checks notes uh implores twitter to talk to him and then she says i've lived a good life so roxanne gay is now dead um it's such a bummer it's such a bummer such a bummer she's great that aoc didn't give ralph nader uh the time of day after by the way i was my first voting was was when he um really like fucked it up for the democrats so like hey a lot yeah get those people those seat belts though shout out to ralph nader for that uh lacy what is that preference because he was big in the movement to get like seat belts become standard and and cars because people were dying.

And he's like, you need to actually make this the law. And it's like, thanks, Ralph Nader. Thank you so much. Why didn't he just let that be his legacy? I'm cool with that. Unsafe at any speed was the book that he wrote. Strap in to Ralph Nader. Okay, Lacey, what about you, Scam Goddess? Where can people

find you, follow you, and be blessed? Guys, as always, Scam Goddess Pod, anywhere. Scam Goddess on all platforms. You can listen to me talk about scams and laugh. Also, you can find me at D-I-V-A-L-A-C-I Diva Lacey on all platforms. And a tweet that I'm enjoying

comes from Yasser Lester, who's one of my favorite people donald trump tweeted save the post office in all caps and yasser retweeted and said this would be like r kelly tweeting y'all free them girls from my house oh yeah sir it's so wild he's a wild man. Oh, man. That made me laugh. It's dark. It's a very dark joke.

Any other ones? That it? I had the exact same, say, the post office. And the retweet is from Jen Caton Robinson, who said, this is extremely murderer-joined search party. Not for Body in the Woods. You can find me at Miles of Grey on Twitter and Instagram and also my other podcast. Everybody's like, and my other podcast. And my other podcast.

So many podcasts. 420 Day Fiance. You know, he's getting high talking about 90 Day Fiance. You know, really going back, back in time. And let's see. Some tweets that I like. First one is from at Kate Hulsk. C-A-I-T-H-U-L-S

She says A spicy wine? Oh you mean a jalapeno? No Like Pinot Noir? So stupid but why not Another one is from At Ellie Crimendall

The tweet is My body is not a temple It's a storage unit for my regrets, which is accurate. And then one more, because there are a lot of people at Benny Funny Michelle Obama takes. This is from at Taylor Crumpton tweeted when they go low, beat their ass. Shout out to you. You can find the Daily Zeitgeist at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter, at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We've got a Facebook fan page, and the Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio.

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