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In episode 1241, Jack and Miles are joined by superproducer, podcaster, and co-host of Comic Con Meta*Pod, Joelle Monique to discuss… This wasn’t a grassroots effort, so please stop talking like this was…ITS DARK MONEY, The Supreme Court’s AntiDemocratic, Anti-Progress Bent Is Not New, Biden’s Abortion Record is F--king Terrible and more! The Supreme Court’s AntiDemocratic, Anti-Progress Bent Is Not New Justice Denied: Why do we still tolerate the Supreme Court? Biden’s Abortion Record is F--king Terrible Texas abortion: Biden vows 'whole-of-government' response to new law Even Biden’s Allies Have No Clue What He’s Doing on Abortion Joe Biden's long evolution on abortion rights still holds surprises Biden’s Budget Would Scrap Decades-Old Rule And Permit Federal Funding Of Abortions LISTEN: Comic Con Meta*Pod LISTEN: Guessing Games by Dev LemonsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 235 episode 4 of your daily zeitgeist a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousnesses thursday may 5th 2022 which you know that that's the day cinco de mayo if uh you know if you're so inclined. There you go. I think there's a couple other things. Oh, National World Password Day. Also. Hell yeah.

Time to update those passwords. Yeah, and National Cartoonist Day. Shut up, cartoonists. Hell yeah, animators in the process of utilizing their unions to make a better workspace. Exactly, exactly. We support you and your cartoonish creations. And I just generally, I think we all like any chance we get to update our passwords.

So I think that's a shout out to you. Definitely a highlight. Yeah. Everybody knows that. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! It's Miles Gray, but you know what? I saw some really great Star Wars references from May the 4th be with you for yesterday, but, you know, I just want to do a couple. The Phantom Munchies, Attack of the Stone, The Empire Smokes Black, and Miles, and Return of the stone. The empire smokes black and mild and return of the red eyes. Okay.

Shout out to fight of the night, man. On a discord for those. Is that, is that fight of the night, man? Is that, is that a reference to something?

Amen. Okay. Fighter of the night, man. It's from, it's always sunny. Yeah, yeah,

exactly. I knew that. I just wanted the listeners to not feel left out by our little in joke and it's funny too i'm not a pop culture i'm not the biggest it's always sunny fan but i've i've only i've experienced the right ones where people think i'm literate so yeah i think we've had this exact conversation. I just forgot. Probably. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined by an executive producer behind shows like Fake Doctors, Real Friends, and Welcome to Our Show. You've heard her on Pop Culture Happy Hour, read her at Vulture, the AV Club, Teen Vogue Pace, many more.

She is the host and executive producer of the Comic-Con Metapod. It is the brilliant and talented joelle monique what's up it's the marvel defender back in action yeah yeah star wars lady purple lipstick don i've got more names coming we're cooking them hi guys Hair looking good? Yes. Miles, you made my whole day when you texted me. We were in a meeting and you were like, oh, what's up, Janet Jackson with the poetic justice braids? And I was like, this is the best compliment I've ever received. I didn't see you because you got your hair done

and then you popped on that call. And I was like, okay, Janet. I see you over there. You think I didn't know? I'm like, we need to get you that little cabbie hat, though, that she had already set off that outfit. Oh, yeah. I'm here for it.

What a look. Giving me. Iconic. Yeah. And, Joelle, your new show dropped yesterday. Yes, it did. On May the 4th. It's a 45th anniversary Star Wars Day special.

Oh, wow. Celebrating all things Star Wars. Co-host Hector Navarro and I. If y'all don't know Hector you should get to know him he's an incredible host he does the Spongebob podcast for iHeart and Nickelodeon but I knew him back in the day when he was on DC's streaming network and his knowledge is so deep the man has a library of books and DVDs that he rents out to his friends so oh wow okay yeah i mean like he keeps a catalog of everything it's really impressive we once watched a bunch of marvel movies in like canonical

order and just him and i talking about him back and forth and so i knew that like when la comic con came to iheart and like hey let's partner up and do something and they wanted to bring a convention to ears every week i was like that's got to be hector and me and we bring a convention to ears every week. I was like, that's got to be Hector and me. And we did a whole bunch of tests and they were like, we like the chemistry and it worked. And so I was so excited to do the show, but then Comic-Con's booking people were like, we're going to help you get great guests.

And the first person they got for us was Giancarlo Esposito. And I was like, we're going to talk to the icon of performing. Like just he's Moff Gideon in The Mandalorian. But some of you might know him as Buggin' Out from Do the Right Thing. Maybe Gus from Breaking Bad. I mean, truly, truly iconic level performer. And he bears his soul to us. We cry together over our love of Star Wars and Sondheim.

I mean, actual tears when he starts talking about, you know, the impact fans have had on him. And so that was a great conversation. And then we pivoted and we talked to Kevin Kiner, who's done the most music other than John Williams for the Star Wars universe. And that was an incredible conversation talking about, you know, he does the theme music

for two of my favorite characters, Plo Koon and Ahsoka Tano. Okay. It was great. It's so lovely. And then we end it with a trivia battle between two Star Wars fandoms. So it's the Droid Builders and the Mando Mercs. So these are fan clubs that get together and design droids and create

Mandalorian armor and then go to conventions and hang out. Wow. Really cool. And you picked them in a battle of wits, like a trivia contest too? Yeah, we did. Oh,

this is perfect. A Family Feud style version of trivia. It was great. That feels like fun in theory and then whoever lost that had to

disappear off the grid for a couple months. I think the point difference was by 5 or 10 points, so there was no devastating loss. I'll say that. And then they both got nice little prize packages at the end. So no hurt feelings. Wonderful.

Well, Joelle, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. People should go listen to that show right now. First episode. Comic-Con Metapod. Yeah. But before we get to know you better, some things we'll be talking about later on. We're obviously going to be talking about the Supreme Court, the leaked decision, and just like trying to put all this into greater context.

This particular movement, which keeps getting referenced as like a grassroots effort by conservatives. Incorrect. We'll explain just how incorrect that is. We'll take a look at the Supreme Court just in general across the 20th century, what their whole kind of MO has been, continues to be. And we'll look at Joe Biden's abortion record. All of that, plenty more. But first, Joelle, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Oh, yeah. Well, this morning I caught myself on the Disney

Grand California Adventure page doing some research. My birthday is coming up. Last year, I dropped everything and flew to New York and saw some Broadway musicals, one of my favorite gal pals, and it was amazing. But I haven't done Disney Halloween yet. And all my friends say it's amazing. And I want to do, I want to be there when, you know, Mickey's in his like vampire costume and it's so cute. And then Oogie Boogie's there and I love Oogie Boogie.

And they turned the Haunted Mansion into The Nightmare Before Christmas. It's so cute. So I want to go and do that. And then there's also a spa. And you can just walk into the park, which I think is the most ideal way to do Disney. Like, you're in the hotel. And then you just walk directly into, I think it's, no, you're right outside of the gate. So you can go California Adventure or Disneyland, whichever takes two seconds to walk from your hotel room. And, you know, if in the middle of

the day you're overheating and you go take a nap you just head right back to your hotel and then flip and turn around and come back out and that is the quick outfit change you know what i mean i mean when it's nighttime and i want to go back to star wars land because the lighting has changed because there's no trees over disney california adventure and so it looks completely different super cool yeah absolutely 110 i want to do that so i'm really excited i think i'm gonna do it it's gonna be ungodly expensive for no reason but i kind of don't care it's my birthday so i'm gonna i'm gonna spend the money i want to do it yeah i mean for what why what's the point of what's the point of toiling if not to uh indulge our interests uh when our free time

you know yeah yeah so shout out wait wait but when's your when's your actual birthday indulge our interests when our free time. Anything to look forward to. Wait, but when's your actual birthday? October 1st. Oh, okay. I got you. So you're making sure you're looking out there, you're getting a long view, making sure it's the right move. Yeah, booking it, letting the friends know who wants to pop in, what's going on.

That's the most baller shit I think I ever heard of. You live locally and you're like, you know what? I'm going to Disneyland with the hotel room. I'm going to go to Disneyland for a couple of days. Yeah. Cool. I need some escapism. Yeah.

They'd be like, sir, your pupils are so dilated. We can't let you in the park. I'm like, oh, that's cool. I'm just cosplaying as Pikachu. I was not aware of the... So, starting October 1st, they have sort of a Halloween theme? It's actually the end of August through the end of

October. So, it's the longest season at Disney is Halloween season. Because if you're a Halloween head and you like to dress up, there's a good chance you're also a Disney head and want to go hang up, there's a good chance you're also a Disney head and want to go hang out. The overlap is large. Right.

Yeah. And since you brought up vampires, we do have to ask you, what is your opinion on, do our vampire fangs hollow? Like as in you- Like straws that you suck through? Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah or they just big bitey bitey teeth just for the wound of a vein and then they suck out like you know i would say old vampires like really old vampires the ancient kind uh that's just bone you know because they're not really doing the clean bite and walking away from it you're pretty much destroyed but these new age vampires who like don't want to kill with their bite or whatever you know they're like semi-vegan vampires i think they're hollow i think they've evolved into hollow things oh so you wow this is the first some people most people we talk to they're either or and you you put in the darwinian argument for the evolution towards a hollow fang. Okay.

Because look at our more recent vampires. Like, they're clean. They come up from their victim. No blood on them. They're like gentlemen and shit. Right. I feel like you can't do that if you're just puncturing with bone. There's new blood everywhere.

Yeah, and I feel like there's some vampire movies or cartoons that I've seen where the person doesn't know that they've been bit like it's kind of a wait what just happened like which has more in common with a mosquito which uh zeitgang on twitter has pointed out that is like we keep saying it's a reverse like snake bite because snakes like inject venom through the fangs but it's actually just they're just biting mosquitoes yeah that makes vampires sound a lot less scary but 10 times more annoying right yeah so i'll slot them away like no yeah instead of a tiny red well you have everlasting life and your life is very strange and very healthy. Be the ones that were more likely to die off. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Humans are going to apex predator the shit out of that.

They're like, no way. We are mass killing machines and we will devour you. Yeah, exactly. You can't be doing this. What is something that you think is overrated? As a person who really loves fashion, I love reading a Vogue magazine, a Harper's Bazaar, if you will. I love the fashion world and their goofiness and their eccentricness. The Met Gala is really overrated to me and here's why no one follows theme okay i know we say it every year

the met gala fans go on to the twitters and we're like what they went through the whole effort of making a theme they brought in specific art pieces a lot of times the meal goes along with the theme why would you come dressed not as the theme what is the point and this year they did the gilded age one of the fanciest most like extreme time you could have done giant parasols huge hats i mean hoop skirts for days it's literally the era of corsets and everyone was like i'm going in black which first of all it's the gilded age is all about color too much black lots of like lace underwear things some people got it some people were about it gg hadid you know at first i was like i don't understand the entire like latex red leather corset pant thing but then with the coat she was like oh no i'm gonna really i'm gonna f with this silhouette and give you

you know give you perfect time period which works uh sarah jessica parker was working out of three separate centuries but it came together it was mostly in line with theme and then who's the the director of something like 40 year it's a netflix show hold on i'm gonna find her because she knocked it out of the park doing the sort of like ode to black women of the era highlighting the seamstresses who were behind a lot of the classic designs ronda blank ronda blank is an incredible director she directed this movie called the 40 year old version about a woman who's interested in getting into like hip-hop and reconnecting with her writing roots it is

a stunning performance but her outfit for the gala was like giant white head wrap like knife billowing skirt it was incredible and i really appreciated what she brought to the theme i think my favorite outfit was pete davison with his uh his tanner his self-tanning spray oh god his new tattoos did he not look did he not look a little tan to you or yeah i mean listen that's what happens when you get with a kardashian okay your your beauty glow up routine begins immediately because you're gonna be on more cameras than you ever thought existed in your whole life so i get it he's got it's literally keeping up with the kardashians he's gotta put in work also i love how on point like just how odd the theme of the gilded age

you know it's so on the nose it's frightening you know what i mean yeah massive inequality in child labor but hey you know let's fall out and nothing but hillary's dress was dedicated to harriet tubman so you know problems resolved boom see it giveth and it taketh i also think the met gal is overrated because I don't know who any of these designers are for the most part. People are like, oh, and they're wearing Louis. I mean, I know. Julia Louis-Dreyfus.

Yeah. Okay. Carolina Herrera. I know that one. But like there were some probable. I don't one. But, like, there were some. Prabal Gurang. I don't know. Jean-Louis. That's a fancy French one.

Yeah. You're like, where are my favorite designers? Gildan. Haynes. Reebok. Hayne. What is something you think is underrated? Oh, candles are underrated.

In the interest of disappearing from this plane of existence, I've gotten really into a company called Cantrip Candles. They do D&D themed candles, which are my favorite thing in the whole world. They got one that smells like a library, one that smells like an adventure dungeon, one that smells like a den of thieves. It's like red wine and smoke, which I really, really enjoy. They're amazing. I have taken them to D, which I really, really enjoy. They're amazing. I have taken them to D&D games. It really helps. We already have like mood lighting.

We got a whole board. We're doing the storytelling. You add the candles in and you are practically in that dungeon, baby. It is amazing. Yeah. So if you're into that kind of vibe, go check out Cantrip Candles. But candles in general. Also black owned.

Yes. Yes. Shout out Kristoff. chris owned woman owned like it's a beautiful space you gotta go check it out what i really love about it is it's uh like just candles in general have the ability to just like bring stress relief to you kind of immediately in a way that a product that costs 5.99 can rarely do hit them on the cheap they're real. They last for a pretty long time. It's a good deal is what I'm saying.

And if you're fancy enough to do the thing where you break down the little bit of wax that's left and remelt and build new candles, kudos to you. I haven't gotten there yet in my recycling, but as the earth continues to deteriorate, I aspire to be the kind of person who can save and reuse wax.

That's a whole other level yeah totally i'm not doing i'm not into that level of alchemy yet but yeah her majesty actually went to school with christoph from cantrip really yeah that's like how i first heard about it she was like yeah my friend from school has this candle store we went i was like what the fuck and not yeah we've got a few we've got a few cantrips in the house yeah i i grew up associating scented candles with just yankee candle just that store in the mall and it's the equivalent of you know like car air fresheners is just bad and overwhelming and they don't smell like anything as much as just air fresheners and yeah i've recently had my eyes opened to the fact that

you can you can have really like great smells that yeah exactly smell like you're burning a scented candle yeah i love a smoky like wood fire scented anything that oh man doesn't permit man i'm telling you, I get those crackling wick candles. I talked about this in the winter. My house smelled like you came over to Karen's crib. Yes.

I like to change my candles for the seasons. Oh, you got to. You need a fresh linen in the summer. You want to get your pine and cranberry on in the winter. And so it's C-A-N-T-R-I-P? Yes. Cantrip Candles.

Nice. Go check them out. Give them your business. That's dope. So your favorite, you would say, is the Den of Thieves? From them? Yeah, totally. It's, again, like red wine.

It's like the most masculine handle you can buy it's so good uh but it makes your whole house smell like warm and inviting and then i just bought the like walk through the forest i think which is cool because you do a lot of trail trekking in dnd and so i needed a candle for that and i think they have an ocean one which i want to get because we've been spending a lot of time on a boat lately and I didn't have a candle for that. So I was just burning the parchment one and it just didn't feel right. So, you know, I'll eventually collect them all as if they were Pokemon and so that we have a candle for every situation. There you go. Amazing. Situation for every candle. Yeah.

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fashion that seems to just be like yeah and we can come for a fucking anything go fuck yourselves all of you each and every one but like just kind of taking a step back and looking at the the way the news is covering this has covered it you hear the word grassroots thrown out there a lot that this is a grassroots movement which suggests that it's like a a popular uprising that like naturally kind of percolated up from this large anti-choice movement that's just happening on the streets and that that's not the case and miles you put together some some good thoughts on just like kind of putting putting this in perspective of what exactly we're seeing when it's whether it's crash i mean clearly there are activists because

they're violent anti-choice activists out there who are, you know, normal people who have a really violent agenda. But like when you look at sort of when you're sort of tracking how we got here, you know, a lot of people have said, like, see, the Republicans, they got out and vote and they consistently got out and like, that's how we got this. Well, I guess on a certain level, they do vote, but it wasn't because they're like, here's our thing, folks, we're going to get out because we're going to make sure we're going to strip people's human rights away. When you really look at sort of the Republican party, right? 1976 is when the party decided to like fully embrace being anti-choice and making it part of the official party platform. And it wasn't because they believed innocent souls were being lost to the, you know, blight of abortion. They were, they're, they're, you know, they're looking at power. Then they said, who else can we bring into the party to moat? Like that's motivated to keep voting for us. Oh, that's right. Evangelicals. So if we make

this part of who we are, then we're bringing in a whole group of other voters so we can begin to, you know, eke out our wins at a higher rate and have something that is, you know, that appeals to this group emotionally. And it and it's worked. You know, it's driven out a lot of people to come vote around this issue, despite right. Only 30 percent of Americans wanting Roe to be overturned. Because with evangelicals, not only do you bring in more people into the base, but you also have an issue of making abortion a new way to push back against the civil rights movement and another way to control people. Because as we all know, reproductive rights and the lack of safe abortion access is going to affect the poorest people in the country. And that's typically the most affected people

are going to be people of color. So this all kind of came together in a very opportunistic way. And, you know, they haven't had the majority vote in seven of the last presidential election. No, not at all. And this has been, you know, throughout the 80s and 90s and the aughts,

like this was this was useful for both parties. The Republicans could dangle the carrot of overturning Ro to to get the base uh you know motivated and democrats raised the specter of overturning row also to be like oh you gotta you gotta give us money because they might do this but in the early aughts is really when things began to change and the influence of dark money groups really increased as it relates to how supreme court justices are picked and what the sort of bare minimum is for somebody to be a judge that is getting the blessing from a group like the Federalist Society. So again, dark money groups are basically political spending groups that are structured as nonprofits that do not have to disclose where their funding comes from. There's many different kinds of nonprofits. Certain

nonprofits do have to disclose where every single dollar that they receive, where that comes from. Others do not. And those are the dark money groups because it allows for gigantic donations of millions of dollars to go in and you don't know where it came from. And they're free to spend that money however they'd like. Now, specifically, groups like the Judicial Crisis Network and the Federalist Society have had the biggest influence. And Leonard Leo, who was a longtime senior executive at the Federalist Society, has had the ears of the last two Republican presidents, Trump and Bush. He was even Trump's judicial advisor, basically. And at the same time, he was telling Trump, these are the people who should be judges or justices. He was running this network of dark money groups to exert their influence

in these different confirmation hearings. So it started with Alito and Roberts. And again, every single time they start injecting money. To give you an idea of the kind of money that they put in, it's about $10 million per nominee. And they've said, you know, we've spent a lot of money. We spent around $10 million blocking Merrick Garland's nomination, and we spent about $10 million each on Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Coney Barrett. And when you look at how this money moves, right, right before Coney Barrett's nomination began, the Judicial Crisis Network got a $14 million donation from one donor. And they spend about $10 million, whether that's ads, whether that's putting pressure on senators to vote to confirm,

or just to prop them up, putting up flowery ads about a judge, what have you. That's where that money's being spent. And if you just really think about it, one person can single-handedly fund the media blitz to confirm or block a nominee, you know, because that's just sort of the amounts of money that's moving. And this is why I think we experience this extreme level of minority rule right now, because you have two presidents that lost the popular vote in Trump and Bush. They appointed five Supreme Court justices and through that have stripped away the rights of millions. And it's not because the Republicans are getting out and consistently voting. Yes, that's part of the process. But in a much larger scale, we don't

really report on the fact that so many of our policies that are shaped are coming from the very wealthy. And that's who, at the end of the day, is sort of at the wheel at what kinds of policies these politicians are trying to legislate. And we don't need Democrats to just tell people to vote. They can use the fucking power that they actually have right now to do things in the interim. You know, many people have pointed to the fact that Biden can make sure the FDA can guarantee access to the abortion pill or blue states can help expand access to abortion using Medicaid funds to help the people that would inevitably be crossing state lines to get a safe abortion. So as the money powers that stand, you have on the on the many I mean, most capitalists, they want they want to vaporize the federal government so they can privatize everything.

And then the process strip away things like our privacy rights, our ability to organize as workers and safety regulations so they can conduct business in a way that is just maximum, that provides maximum benefit for their profit earning business. And the biggest impediments to those profits is having to treat people like they are humans and the best way to get rid of those hurdles is by controlling the supreme court because now we're in a situation where alito has basically said the gist of what his opinion is saying is if that shit isn't literally in the constitution when they wrote it i don't know if that's a right yeah that is like a banana statement to stand on given all the things that weren't rights when the constitution

was written given the fact that like it's meant to be a living document I can't understand I can't wrap my mind around how they think it's going to work listen I'm torn on is this the

grasping death rattle of a dying like breed in that you know folks who are super dedicated to the constitution not as a starting point but as the finish line or if it's the beginning of the end not to be too dark but also well what the fuck it opens the door of the end, not to be too dark, but also what the fuck. It opens the door, right? Because think about all these things that happened since the civil rights

movement, all that's on the table, essentially based on the logic that's being presented in this draft that we've read. Yeah. I mean, black people were not a full person in the initial constitution. I just don't know. I just don't know what you could possibly be

thinking, how you think that's going to work. I mean, I think the most, you know, what a lot of states will probably be emboldened to do is to try and begin to chip away at people's access to contraception. Yeah. Yes. I mean, they're already emboldened to do that. That feels like the easiest thing, the next step, that they can continue,

because a lot of people wrongfully say things like IUDs are abortion. Right. They're not. Yeah. But we can begin to see because the access to contraception, those things are decided in the 50s or 60s, I believe, for married and unmarried people. That that's another thing. I'm like, man, maybe that decision was wrong, too. that's another thing i'm like man maybe that decision was wrong too it's a it's such a transparent thing that's happened where these people are put there by you know people who are

elected due to wealthy donors they then enact legislation on the supreme court that makes it so that you know like they are obliterating campaign finance restrictions, which makes America into an oligarchy. The number seven of eight presidential elections, seven of the past eight presidential elections were Democratic majority results. And the one win was for Republican incumbent after 9-11 like when the nation had lost its fucking mind like the it's a it's a pretty clear majority at this point and this is just not a majority rule country it's a capital rule country at this point and it's like not even is it but like the fact that we that this isn't the number one thing like the number one angle on the front page of the new york times like is part of the problem this is a country that is also so bad at talking about

like class and you know the just outsized influence of corporations and the wealthy, it's and the idea that it gets that they get to couch it is like a grassroots thing as opposed to a, you know, oligarchy seizing power from the majority of Americans and putting their very extremist ideas into action is pretty crazy. Yeah. There's a call from the same group that organized the Women's Rights March, the Pussyhat Ladies in, what was it, like 2018, 2016? 2017. 2017, right after that orange dude took office. They had that really large march march which was basically just a very vocal demonstration of like hey we're here and we see you but didn't yield to my knowledge a lot of

actual results there's a call to for women to just like not spend money for like starting next week like for an entire week to do their best to not like engage in the economy as a vocal opportunity to say like hey don't fuck with us based off of you know Iceland's similar protests and what was that like 78 I think I don't know if it'll work I don't know if there's it seems like a thing that upper middle class and up folks can do. I don't know. You know, back when I was making like $7.50 an hour, if that would have been an option to just not spend money. I got to get on the bus.

I got to do X, Y, and Z in order to support myself. But I do like the idea potentially of being like, can we as a vocal majority say, we'll just keep our money then and you can't have it because that's the only like language that you guys speak and it doesn't seem we can do much beyond you know threatening to take away our money it's the only thing that really speaks to companies i think anyway from a large group of people saying like hey we'll take your stock if we have to what do we need to do right and it's but it also goes back to this reflexive individualism like we are inside this system where massive corporations uh outside of our control and above all of us are making these decisions that take

away the rights of individuals and then the answer seems to always reflexively go to like, we need to demonstrate rights. We need to do that, too. And like that may that may be true. But like we also are like at the tail end of a long period of this system just actively like robbing people of their individual rights. You think of how all these decisions are really made in advance by wealthy people, whether it's like overturning Roe or even go back to like Clinton. Right. And repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, which basically casino-fied Wall Street. lean on Bill Clinton and others to be like, Hey man, what we need to do is make it real easy to allow investment banks, retail banks, and insurers to merge into one thing, which ended up us having to, you know, we, we, we saw what happened in 2008. And again, you even look at the people within that industry, like Robert Rubin, who was, uh, at the treasury at the time, he ends up going to city group right after. And he even like got, he was like the Treasury at the time, he ends up going to Citigroup right after. And he even like got he was like even leaning on Clinton to be like, you have to pre-approve a merger between Citigroup and travelers as part of like this bill. And you can see that all of the so many people in the government, these monumental bills, they're always outside aims.

Right. It's not necessarily just for the benefit that they they're like this is actually what we need for the country no it's this guy from goldman sachs other people from other places end up in the white house and they're like hey man so i'm here to hook up the homies right so let's let's begin to do that and you know some people can win off that but more importantly this is going to help our industry and we can case it in whatever argument we need to but we're like it's not we're not we're not regularly talking about how much money to influence we can point to so many of our ills because people were enriching themselves with some of these policy decisions and like apparently if you do then it's like too extreme to be on like cnn or fucking msnbc or they're not interested in it because it inevitably is going to cause some kind of examination of what what the role of corporations are in our in our media

and our politics and things like that and in a fully corporate like corporatized ad-based you know media format that can't always happen luckily we we can, we're not, I guess we're not enough of a threat where people are trying to pull to say, Oh, this is, this is too dangerous or whatever, even though this is ad supported. But you look at like larger companies, if a network is wholly owned by a company, that's also making like war machines, they're less likely to talk about the military industrial complex there. And we we because of all so many things become obscure we're like coming out of this fog we're like in a car accident where not many people realize that this thing is fully has been broken for a very long time yeah sorry joel were you about to say

no no i i don't i don't i don't know i don't know it's uh it's very dark and scary times uh particularly when you follow a lot of abortion rights activists and they're like night of learning the news was just so traumatic from uh the perspective of like okay well we'll start telling the stories of our mothers then and and what they had to do it's just like oh we definitely can't go back there and then you know a lot of them were like, here are action plans to figure out which doctors know how to perform abortions. Can you talk to that doctor not on the record about whether they'd be willing to do that post it being legal?

I mean, the things that people are already having to try to comprehend doing, you know, just to survive, just to, you know, keep more women alive and more people with uteruses alive it's it's a lot and yeah this when you look at something like this you just see more and more like you know what started off as courting evangelicals the republicans also like you know what i think we can also use patriarchy and misogyny to to get people motivated it might not even be necessarily real not maybe so some of these people really don't care if it's about hell and saving a soul. They actually like the idea that

we can tell somebody with a uterus, nah, you can't do that. You can do this, though. Can't do that. And it's just, you know, more control. And I think over time, it morphs into these things. And we're now at a point where people are asking, well, what needs to be done?

Well, you know, a lot of people have been saying from the beginning to expand the court, put term limits on these justices and things like that. But we still seem to be in a phase where we're, you know, where we've been waiting for a response from the federal government since that law in Texas passed. and Joe Biden was like, just you wait. Whole government response. Whole of government response. Yeah, we're about to talk about that. But yeah, scary times, especially when you take into account that like even before Roe, women weren't typically the target of prosecution around cases of abortion and since like they've started pushing back laws and in states that seems to be the strategy is like a woman who comes in with a stillbirth like that

gets investigated for what happened in her own body a woman was arrested in indiana like what a year two years ago yeah or having a miscarriage like yeah the the things they're going after the things that they're trying to do you know even even just trying to do it's frightening yeah and i think a lot of people too like throughout all this we're almost like we're confused because we're like did we ever actually have progress you know like or are we still the same country but we the people have moved forward but the policies haven't and we're constantly having like a reconciliation or reckoning with what the message is what the lived reality is what the sentiment is of people and how like they're if they feel like they sentiment is of people and how like they're,

they feel like they're all in completely different spaces. Like they're, they're not in agreement. Yeah. And is it like that we're taking away rights or it's like, you know, to be honest, most people never really had a lot of these rights anyway. You know,

when you consider like the amount of like recognized safe abortion clinics that were actually in the country, even after Wade, even after bro, like what is the situation? And I don't know, like part of me is like, are we, safe abortion clinics that were actually in the country even after Wade, even after Roe. Like, what is the situation? And I don't know, like, part of me is like, are we really, do we think of all the progress? We've definitely made so much progress, but there's been so much shit going back and forth. Like, you take a step forward, you take two back, you take three forward, one back. And you're like, how much actually have we moved forward on a continuum? And I find myself

constantly trying to think about that. Like, right, I know these laws passed and that's good. But I'm still looking at statistics of people like death rates and other things as it relates to a myriad of issues. And I'm like, where I. Yeah, just some difficult time. There's a great quote from Marianne Kaba, who's's an abolitionist who says hope is a discipline which i think is you know apt for the times and i mean how progress is slow unfortunately it doesn't happen rapidly i think examining it as what ground are we not willing to cede and how much further can we push for a better world for the majority and focusing really on that kind of hope is good. From, you know, what our neighbors, you know, I mean, you said before, like 70% of people are pro-abortion.

Are, you know, I think, I think we have to remember that there's more of us and we are stronger. Yeah. In spirit than, you know, than their greed. It's going to take time, though, and it might get scary along the way, unfortunately. Yeah. And, you know, I think it's it's disheartening, too, when we, you know, we're we're sort of indoctrinated with this idea that, you know, like that we vote the people in and then they make the laws to help, you know, keep people safe. But all like all we read about is the lack of safety we have and confused leadership. And that really, it's such a defeating thing for a lot of people to grasp because we're looking for solutions. Well, I can't stress it strongly enough. Build into your own communities because you will have a much firmer and clearer idea of what is actually happening around you. And when you see frightening change or people trying to lead your community in a direction that you know is wrong or unsafe, you can take action at a local level.

And I really think that's going to be our solution going forward. Small, local steps. Because if they can't touch us there, then it's going to be much harder for them to operate on a large scale without us. in the United States. The increased power and, you know, budgets and militarization of police and like those are human, you know, those are directly things that are used to take away human rights. I mean, obviously in the case of caging,. That is exactly what it is designed to do. And yeah, this feels like it's part of a larger whole and not necessarily a new thing that is just the result of some extremists on the Supreme Court, which I feel like is the way some people are greeting it. it but yeah all right let's let's take a

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about the whole of government approach. They haven't shared that with me, said Senator Tim Kaine, and so forth. There was nothing. Now they're saying that they're starting to have emergency meetings with the White House about how to protect abortion access. But that before Monday's bombshell leak, they hadn't talked any specifics with with Biden, with the administration.

Right. And it's like, are we surprised given this history? Yeah. Historical relationship to the concept of abortion. this history yeah historical relationship to the concept of abortion yeah so in 1974 he literally said i don't think that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body that joe biden said that 77 bridge we did it joe raced in 77 he voted against using medicaid to fund abortions and even exceptions for victims of rape and incest in addition to concerns for the life of the mother. So those were, he voted against taking those exceptions into account. In 81, he voted to remove them, exceptions in what is considered the most far-reaching ban on federal funds ever enacted to Congress. Voted several times to keep federal workers

from using health insurance to pay for abortions. As president, he did omit the Hyde Amendment, which denies insurance coverage for abortion through government-sponsored plans like Medicaid. So he didn't use that in his budgets, but he supported the Hyde Amendment as recently as while he was campaigning in 2019 yeah that was a big issue yikes yeah i mean it there's even a tweet from like the potus account too that's like all right we know what we got to do like elected officials we got to do everything we can to make this happen and the voters got to make sure they protect the pro-choice politicians and elect them but you also look at the same time like this guy is campaigning for like henry cuyar who is like a anti-choice democrat and so it's

like jim cliburn and nancy Nancy Pelosi and the party's leadership is getting behind an anti-choice Democrat. And, you know, so, so it's like hard to, so much is self-inflicted with this too. Like, we're not like the Democrats aren't even consistent. Like the Republicans are like, no, no, like we're, we're like, we are anti-choice Democrats. Like, well, you know, like if this guy, if it works for him over there, that's fine, because we've got to win these elections. But that sort of normalization, I think, really dulled the sense of urgency for Democrats

for what, the last 50 years? Right. It's all about practicalities and following the polling and then not following the polling when it means actually doing something that helps people yeah it's i don't know it's cowardly yeah i don't know i don't even know i don't even know i mean it's i mean they're straight playing in our faces, though. Like, I mean, in a way that's sort of horrifying.

In the same way that they're doing it with these students. We don't know if we can do some loans or not. We can't forgive. We're just not sure. What would that look like even? We have billions of dollars to do, I don't know, military things. But couldn't possibly figure out how to do this. We can keep delaying them, though.

We can't justing them, though. We can't just stand up and say anything about abortion, because Republicans will go crazy. We understand that the majority of people are pro-abortion and believe women have rights to their bodies, but what could we possibly do? Oh, gosh, they promised us they're not going to change it and that that's just law. They said it in their hearings, and so we have to believe them.

I mean, it's a constant naivete from them and i think it's feigned which is pretty exhausting and i can't understand why other than cowardice like i have to face these people and i don't want them to be mad or i i'm not sure you know people might be mad it really seems to boil down to people might be mad at me. And so I can't make these life changing, generationally impactful changes that are necessary immediately, despite having the power to do so. And I think this is in general, right? news and who are politicians who are so wealthy that they, their, their, their idea of what a working person is, is maybe when they were 12. Right. You know what I mean? And they, and they're operating from that concept of what it means to be a wage worker, what it means to be a single parent, and are not fully connected with what that reality. I keep saying this over and over. That's the bit that's that's so clear. That's why they're confused. That's why they are like, Whoa, wait, no. Oh, this. I thought I thought this this this shit used to work 10 years ago. Well, yeah, 10 years ago, there weren't as many people really like grappling with their own debt their lack of upward mobility and things like that and they're they're now aging into a

point where they're a larger cohort of people who vote and i think that's the other part we're experiencing too is like the people who represent us live 95 have no idea what life is like in america right sure and so there's no that's why there's no sense of urgency everything feels like 95% have no idea what life is like in America. Right. And so there's no, that's why there's no sense of urgency. Everything feels like from, well, from their perspective.

Okay. Yeah, this is bad, but we can do this. We can do this. We can do this. Um, yeah.

Yeah. So I don't know. Like, I think people have made the argument. He's not equipped to lead this fight. Uh, but I, I think it have made the argument he's not equipped to lead this fight. But I think it's like he actively has been working against women's reproductive rights for most of his career. So regardless of what he may say now, it's pretty clear that there's a reason behind his inaction.

And I don't know. I don't know if it gets better, if like for political expediency, he changes and, you know, uses this to his advantage. But it's pretty fucked that we find ourselves in this position. I mean, yeah. And right now, I think the one thing, the only thing that is of benefit is like, you know, blue states are codifying those rights. benefit is like you know blue states are codifying those rights and try you know some you know some local officials are trying to say like we need to do whatever we can like if we're like a blue state surrounded by red states like how we help people like in illinois or like maryland where you're like in these places where a lot of like you're kind of where people might head to. And we and we do see that discussion beginning. But that seems to be out of people who understand the urgency of it and are connected to those resources and trying to move immediately.

And then, you know, at the highest level, there's just like now we're, you know, half of the discussion is like, who leaked it? Why did they leak it? And like, there's even a cynical version of like, did democrats leak it to try and like get people to wake up you know that's so strange to me because my mind immediately was like okay so some hero was like not on my watch and released the papers and was like people need to know before it becomes an action but then i saw some talking head and i don't remember who it was but they were like oh well maybe the republicans did it so no one could back out maybe the democrats did it as a way of embarrassing the court and i was

like that seems so i mean even if that is the the case it seems so beyond like i don't care really like who what the alternative method or reasoning was it just matters that like that does not happen if we can stop it if there is any kind of way to not make you know people with uterus second class citizens that would be great this is super awesome yeah the new york times is covering the perception of politicization as like i think that was like the top story uh on on wednesday morning was like people on both sides are like dismayed at the growing politicization of the court. And, you know, suddenly with this leak business, we're seeing a Supreme Court that has succumbed to the evil politics where their sides and these are, you know, supposed to be

the law priests calling balls and strikes. Except, you know, Alex Schmidt on yesterday's episode was pointed to this thing by Ian Millhiser, a book, I think they're called, this thing by Ian Millhiser, a book by Ian Millhiser called Injustices that's just like kind of a 20th century history of the Supreme Court. And it is, it's very instructive i i guess that's like

they are almost uniformly pushing in the direction of congress will put something into action they will use that interpretation or that law to like protect businesses or corporations there's like a great anecdote in the book about or a horrifying anecdote about how like after congress started like putting rulings for like due process into place uh so that like you know white supremacist states couldn't just use whatever means they wanted to to to cage freed slaves. The Supreme Court took that and started applying it to things like a case that came before them where eight-year-olds were working in coal mines, and people were like, that's not okay to have eight-year-olds working in coal mines and like having you know being killed frequently constantly because they're eight and they're working in a fucking coal mine they were like

that uh you're messing with the due process of like the coal corporations or you know you're messing when some somebody uh tried to get like a sub 60 hour work week and less than 10 hours in a single day for new york bakers they like came through and said that the law violated the liberty of bakery owners to negotiate contracts with their employees like they they take the progressive ideas in the government like that are supported by people and they use it to protect corporations so right by the new york times logic of like politicization being a problem the supreme court is like allowed to do a very political thing of siding with businesses who make their one percent lifestyles possible. They're just

not allowed to disagree with each other publicly when they do that is essentially like the message that that is sending down. But yeah, that has been their thing. They've been pro-business, they've been very conservative. And then when they occasionally have a liberal or progressive-leaning decision. It's, without fail, something that is actually emerging within the public. So they're just there to agree with the public and occasionally crystallize things like gay marriage into law after people have already come to that decision on their own so they're not really doing anything for us they're just taking away our rights while uh empowering businesses and that's been the case for the entire 20th century yeah right and it's like there's no branch of government that is free of that.

Yeah. It's get, it's like I said, man, these people need to be wearing fucking NASCAR jackets with all their fucking donors on it. So when they walk into the Capitol, you're like, okay,

so you're Pfizer, you're Dow chemicals, you're, you're 3m, you're this company. Cause that is so much of what, how in a, like how someone's votes are determined based on who they're beholden to and i don't know why there's just that we like there just

needs to be a again more discussion around how all of this is working rather than treating it like this abstraction that we can't figure out what's going on what's happening how did how did we get here we fucking know it's because the the power dynamic isn't such where politicians are beholden to the people that has been completely obliterated and votes are just a means to an end to legitimize the decisions that these politicians make on behalf of their wealthy donors and that's the situation we're in and it's just going to continue to devolve like we're saying like since you know fucking the supreme court what do you want to do hey what do you know oh what they they're making

you treat these eight-year-olds like human workers no man you're violating that eight-year-old's right to exploit themselves out of sheer desperation because of a system we helped set up right or like some dumb ass senator said if you don't want to have a baby don't have sex sir right i don't know if you know how anything no one forced you to have sex do you have you heard of the term rape do you know what it means like and then causing women to have to like share their horrific stories to sort of articulate against your point it's just right because again we have a bunch of dudes really making a bulk of the decisions a bulk of white men making the decisions and a ton of white women just supporting that white

supremacist goal yeah and everyone's internalized like everyone is dealing with so much as this is all happening but again to to it's i think it's just really harmful for articles to be written that are like confused or like how we got here and we're not constantly like like just ringing the alarm that like this is this this isn't a representative democracy obviously it never really was a republic what have have you. But it's just a it's a full on, you know, that we have too many corporatized politicians now. And Washington, DC is merely the venue to help set business policy. And we're just in real time having to react to that, whether it's tax cuts for them, or cutting off people's health care or whatever.

them or cutting off people's health care or whatever. And that's the confusion, I think, is that we're not the mainstream sort of tone on all of this is we've ceased. We've for a long time. We have not been a country, maybe ever. We've never been a country that is looking at every single person that lives here as a human being and and that there's a certain level of inalienable rights that applies to every single living person in the country yeah and this is the one thing that is notable about this is that other countries as i think one of you said earlier like other countries have not been

moving in this direction on reproductive rights and abortion rights like it really at all and suddenly the u.s is like moving rolling things back in a way that you know what when you read about countries that prohibit access to abortion, you, like, immediately see, like, it's a fucking nightmare. It's an absolute nightmare. And the thing that they're trying to institute is an absolute nightmare. And, like, that would be a great front-page story for the New york times to tell like that this is out of step with everything around the world and like this is where we are now and it makes sense that we're here because of the system that we have in place and yeah all the while you know the republicans just continue to like in the just in public be like we don't we hate you we hate you if you have a uterus we hate you if you're not christian we hate you if you're not cisgendered we hate you if you're not white yep that's it we're telling you that right that's where we're at and we're

and we're like okay somebody somebody go toe-to-toe with this and the the and we're not we're not seeing the kinds of responses that we need and wouldn't to be honest this is something that has been a 50-year issue that could have been addressed but just it seemed i think it's beneficial for both sides to kind of keep reaching for it i'm gonna reach look i got that thing on me i could overturn rope and then the other version is like they got that thing on them they could overturn the rope you know and that's and then we just go in circles and and and now we're here yeah and in the meantime they've redlined us to death so like even if when we try to vote them out and make our voices heard it's become right statistically challenging to do so and look how quickly we saw d DHS beating people up who were protesting.

Right. For people who are pro-abortion out there in LA. I saw the clips, fucking DHS goons rolling out and just what the fuck already. But again, they're showing you what to say. They're showing you the stakes already. Like when,

oh, okay. So you're here for that too. And so that's another thing body autonomy you know police violence that's don't don't think any of that's going to change because you're going to now we're just saying we will be met with violence even if you're there to say i'm i'm not even saying you need less money fool i'm here to say people deserve body autonomy and now you want to fucking rough people up over that yeah all right well

that's been an episode joelle it's been sorry it is always such a pleasure having you on the show yeah where can people find you and follow you and hear you uh let's remind yeah for news that is not this but uh star wars and comic base if you need to enjoy some escapism come check out comic-con metapod wherever you get your podcasts and you can follow me all over the internet at well money gets j-o-e-l-l-e-m-o-n-i-q-u-e i have two tweets i want to share one's a little dark one's a little hopeful so here we go first one comes from angry black lady that's amanda gandy she's a lawyer she's pretty dope and she tweeted this on the night of may 2nd when we found out everything it says tonight's abject panic makes it clear that people aren't ready

for what's about to happen get ready get your affairs in order figure out whether or not you're willing to break the law to help a friend get an abortion and how far you're willing to go in response to that someone said get, get ready, nothing in writing. Don't say fuck about shit over the phone. Don't take secrets to the grave. To the grave. We have each other's backs. We shut our goddamn mouths.

We didn't hear anything. You don't know anything. You only love people harder than ever, which I think is a great message and sort of aspirational to hear a lot of abortion rights activists who've been on the ground doing the work for years have plans and are ready to go. And along those lines, Jennifer Gunter, who goes by Dr. Jen Gunter on Twitter, who is the vagina doctor, and she is amazing. She has an incredible podcast. She said,

there's something concrete you can do today to support abortion. Look up your doctor, see if they are a member of the AAP log. That is the American Association of Pro-Life OBGYNs. This is a medical hate group that spreads lies about abortions. If your doctor is listed, try to get a doctor who isn't. Look it up if they took down their logs. But feel free to call your doctor and just straight up ask them. Get the information. Share it with people you know who might go to that doctor.

If we can stop it at least somewhat at the source, if you can make sure you have a doctor that's an ally, that can go a long way to helping you in the future. So some advice. Yeah. Miles, where can people find you? What is a tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at milesofgray. Also, you know, if you like 90 Day fiance check out 420 day fiance and if you like basketball and i know you probably do because the playoffs are just rumbling and bumbling check

out matt boosties uh jack basketball podcast yeah jaw jaw rastafari temetrius came uh i was just agreeing with what you said in a vaguely german way oh i think that would be yeah yeah okay uh yeah rastafari so the first some tweets i like david at underscore djs45 we're talking about the four-day work week tweeted my company just announced we're moving to a four day work week let's go uh dreams congratulations you love to fucking hear that and then another tweet i like is from a beautiful woman at tamagotchi milk tweeted hung out with my boyfriend's mom for too long was like damn i love this bitch we're like literally the same person then i was like oh Oh.

Morning. Let's see. Let's just go watch John Morant highlights, I guess, on Twitter. That's what I've been doing to keep myself sane. The best. Put up 47 in the game two nights ago.

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Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy uh today we're gonna go out on a track called guessing games uh with the artist dev lemons she's a musician you know uh a host of song psych but also you know good aka aka miss ipad aka d lemmy aka lord lemquad. And her music is dope. This track, Guessing Games, feels like very sort of psych-pop R&B.

The keys are very, like, ethereal. The vocals are very cool. And, you know, just something a little bit different. Familiar, but just slightly tweaked. So this is Dev Lemons with Guessing Games. Alright. Well, go check that out. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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