The Daily Zeitgeist - Biden/Kimmel = Frost/Nixon, DALL-E Makes Apocalypse Fun 06.10.22

Episode Date: June 10, 2022

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I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 240 episode 5 of your daily fight guys stay production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness it's friday june 10th 2022 national movie night hey national night herbs and spices day which i think is pretty important shout out to herbs and spices the the best you know out there doing the omens work in the kitchen but just this one day to celebrate them you got a spice that you like salt i'm a big fan of salt okay outside of salt and pepper is there anything you like oh that's something i like that flavor i guess i guess i like rosemary quite a bit oh wow yeah real basic shit how about you miles

classical roasting herbs yeah i love i love rosemary sage like i really do like those proper roasting herbs because the more i roast i've got to have those all the time. So shout out Sage. Sage the Gemini, the rapper. Shout out to Sage and Rosemary. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. I bought two tickets to Morbius, but there's no one here. What the hell is this? I bought two tickets to Morbius.

Wait, were the memes just taking the piss that is courtesy of christie i'm gucci man just keeping the pressure up on morbius and the morbius story that they re-released it and apparently nobody except for me of course and in the universe the fictional universe of this song nobody but me went and i was surprised i i have a hard time i think this is also a commentary on the fact that i have a hard time telling the difference between a meme that is a joke and reality because on yesterday's episode i thought a christy yamaguchi main meme was real. I thought Netflix actually said, we're no longer doing vanity projects like QB Halloween. Got him. Got me.

Got him. I did catch myself in the moment. Yeah, you were like, yeah, I think it's a meme. Yeah. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. I want to be where the people are. I want to see them running for their lives, trying to get away from me on those, what do you call them? Feet.

Being half-frog DNA, you don't get too far. Streets are required for biting and eating. I just want to bite someone in, how do you say? Fucking in half Up where they walk, up where they run Up where they aren't safe from oblivion Wandering free like a Rex T In a Jurassic world Okay, y'all.

I'm about to go see that shit tonight because the bad reviews were so intense. I'm like, Her Majesty, put on your Monday's best because we're about to go see Jurassic Oblivion or whatever. Are you really going to see it? Oh, yeah, I'm going to go see that shit.

And that was from an undersea dinosaur, which it seems like there's some of those happening in this new film. Because the whole thing is about them being out of the park. Out the park. You know what I mean? And being out there with the people, you know, being able to bite them in fucking half

or whatever I'm sure we're going to see. So I will report back with uh my jurassic world dominion or whatever the fuck it's called review that's exactly what it's called dominion bro yeah i'm trying to act casual like i'm like like as soon as i read the reviews i was like i'm back in the park it's so weird i'll watch every jurassic park film i'll watch every terminator film in the theater yeah that that is weird but like that that kind of tracks for the like the biggest movies when you were very young oh yeah t2 and jurassic park were like those were religious experience i got in the 90s i told you i have a pic with eddie furlong

from that era i gotta dig that up because it was like a show and tell thing I brought. No one gave a fuck because their parents didn't allow them to see T2. They're like, who's that? I'm like, it's Eddie Furlong, y'all. What do you mean, who's that? Anyways, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third

seat by an Upworthy staff writer who co-hosts the podcast Upworthy Weekly with TDZ favorite Allison Rosen. It's Todd Perry! Thank you, thank you. Thank you, everybody. Pleasure to be here. You got the, you know, the less attractive of the Upworthy Weekly co-host, but I'm gonna do my best here. Maybe more musical, though. I mean, you you got a song for you got an aka you can just belt out for us real quick i saw you had guitars back there todd oh let's see here um what if todd was one of us i'll let you take it that's good

i like to take the pressure off i feel like that's a lot to just be like hey impromptu it's improv you sing an improv music show and you're the star. You didn't realize that. You thought it was a news show. Isn't every person on a bus a stranger? Like, did they have to say, like, stranger on the bus? Is anybody ever riding the bus with friends? Yeah.

When I took the, like, from school and I would take the city bus, there were, like, two people who I would recognize who we were typically on the same bus who were much who were not in high school who were like going to work or whatever but i never spoke to them but i'm like oh it's it's it's that guy and then the lady with the shopping cart yeah the whole time on the ride you're making up this entire story of their life and why they're on the bus. Right. And, you know, what went on so that they don't have car insurance or whatever is happening that is going on. The godly thing is to take the bus, I think, just in terms of keeping the earth preserved. That's right. Todd, where are you coming to us from?

Long Beach, California. Okay, LBC. The LBC. Yeah. Right. Are you from Long Beach? No, I'm originally actually, you guys were talking about Christy Yamaguchi earlier. Christy Yamaguchi, Maine.

Yeah, we're from the same hometown of Torrance, California. Got it. The legit, the skating god. Yeah. Who was the skating god from there? Because my neighbor was the guy from Jackass, Wee Man, growing up. And he was like a Torrance kid, which was always kind of funny growing up with later. You know, we would read like the Anarchist Cookbook and everything and do wacky stuff that led to.

I mean, I'm not saying I had a part in it, but I'm just saying that that kind of wacky stuff later became what the guy made a fortune on. So you were there for jason we man acuna's formative years from what i understand yes okay when we were reading the anarchist cookbook that's cool that you like put the work in to be a juvenile delinquent like my friends and i we just unrolled a roll of toilet paper like in a big sort of concrete setting kind of like the la river but much smaller you know like a concrete drainage ditch and then lit it on fire and expected the flame to like race forward on the toilet paper into like a ball of flames and that's not how that works turns out i'm yeah very dumb i was into the anarchist cookbook

and i remember the whole time like we got to get salt peter like was like the whole thing the thing i came away with like if we find that then we can make our own fireworks and rockets another one of my favorite spices salt peter all right todd we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're going to talk about the president's appearance on Jimmy Kimmel. It's actually kind of a hard-hitting interview for him. We're going to talk about what Fox News sounds like right now and that viral AI art program.

Dolly. Yeah, Dolly Mini. But before we get to any of that bullshit, Todd, we do like to ask our guest what is something from your search history? Where to get stoke coffee shots? Stoke coffee shots,

you said? Have you seen these? Like, okay, they used to have them for free at 7-Eleven, and it's like an espresso shot, like it's with the creamers, and it has caffeine in it. So there's actually like, okay, they used to have them for free at 7-Eleven, and it's like an espresso shot. It's with the creamers, and it has caffeine in it. So there's actually like, you know, it gives your coffee like an extra boost. So if you're going to podcast and you want to get a good buzz going, or if you write for Upworthy and you have to write like 1,600 words a day,

you've got to be kind of gacked. But now, because of the supply chain, you can't find them anywhere. And the problem is that I'm kind of like addicted to them. Oh, so I've just been like searching everywhere to try to find these. And it's been very difficult. Like people are selling them like with like hugely inflated prices on Amazon.

So basically anybody out there who's listening, and if you have some stoke coffee shots, if you could just hit me up on Twitter, at Todd A. Perry, Todd with one D, and then we can make some kind of deal. Yeah. I mean, how high over invoice you willing to go, man? Maybe about three times over.

Wait, so what is that? Give me an example of what, if you were to buy it and there were no supply chain issues what the amounts you would buy and what that cost is and what you're looking at now you you pay like 18 bucks for a hundred oh shit okay and you'll be like i'll pay 54 yeah i'll pay 54 it just depends like i'm willing to negotiate on all all levels and when you were peak stoke were you you just taking those to the house? You were putting them in your black coffee with some creamer?

What are we looking at here? Yeah, no, you just do a little dip into a black coffee. Oh, okay. Turbo boosters, okay. Damn. I didn't even know about this. I pride myself as a caffeine junkie. I was, I was not even aware that this was a thing that was available to me.

You know, I I'd say don't go down the dark path because now like I am constantly having this like massive caffeine withdrawal because I pushed myself too far. And then, you know, it's like, it's like if they killed the dope man, it's like, where am I going to get it now? Yeah. Right. And now you're, now you're at the will of these, these price gougers on Amazon. Yeah.

What is something you think is overrated? The TV show friends. Uh oh. Tell you what, you're not making any with that take. Not making any on this show with that take, buddy. No, I'm just joking. Proceed. No, I was just thinking like I used to have a roommate back in the day that would watch it pretty much like, you know, you could find it on at any hour of the day.

So it was like always kind of going on in the background. And I was like, I don't get it. Like, it's just not funny yeah you guys too i mean i might be getting my like my white card revoked you know but i gotta say like yeah you're gonna be in trouble man they're gonna be like we heard what you said about friends todd i was always a bit of an edgelord, so I was more of a Seinfeld guy. Oh, boy. Yeah.

The dark side. Dark. I was a dark bad boy. I wore a leather jacket. Pretended to smoke cigarettes. Pretended? But you light them and you're just like. Oh, my God.

So hardcore. I thought you were going Gonna go hard with the I didn't like Seinfeld Edgelord take No no no I'm just joking I'm not an edgelord But

I'm not an edgelord Yeah I'm firmly not Wait do you like Do you like sitcoms In general though Todd Or are you just Or friends

Just because of like How big of a place It holds in pop culture Like I don't Fucking know I don't get I feel the same way I didn't In the 90s When it was like the biggest show i was just like i don't know not not really

into it yeah it's like i think yeah because it's just so big and watching it i sit there and i go okay i may you know sometimes there's things that like you don't dig it but you can get why other people dig it yeah you know and then with this show the only thing it's like all right jennifer anderson's kind of cute courtney cox is like really cute and then that's about it like i don't think i don't find anybody interesting there's no i don't know i just think everybody on the show is like objectively hot so that i think that probably like pluses it up yeah like and then yeah the i i feel you though like i was not into it and i did feel a little bit crazy just being around people who would make friends references and not get simpsons references you know we're reading from different scrolls, you know. How about something you think is underrated?

The Kinks? The Rock Band? Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. Go on. Because it's always like, you know, Beatles or Stones when people talk about that era of music.

And I would put my hat in the ring saying, actually, the Kinks are better than the Rolling Stones. If you just go, like, hit for hit, if you go, like, the best 20 kink songs versus the best 20 stone songs i think the kinks probably are are a better band uh i think if people go deep into the kinks catalog like beyond like the early like you really got me they're the kind of rock stuff uh ray davies was like an incredible song writer and i don't know why more of the kink stuff isn't the kind of rock stuff uh ray davies was like an incredible songwriter and i don't know why more of the kink stuff isn't the kind of thing that you just hear like burnt out on you know

classic rock radio what are like what are songs that you feel don't get enough attention or and like or is there i mean i like again i know the kinks like very superficially like they're like the things i would hear on like klos or something growing up yeah but what what is it that you're saying people need to consider about the kinks aside from like if you listen to it it's really good are there like other dimensions that you're like there's this whole other part of the kinks that people don't appreciate or am i what am i missing what are we missing i think ray davies who is the main songwriter in the group was like the first i'd say like neurotic songwriter like the first like neurotic rock star that wrote songs about you know his anxiety and not feeling like he

fit into the world right and uh feeling like i don't know the the establishment and like the state was against him i think you know later people you know like tom york from radiohead or whatever wrote about these types of things but ray davies was the first guy to not not try to play up like you know he was some grand you know person or you know what i'm saying like he was a very fragile kind of songwriter which was rare for that kind of rock era right okay so like a good it's like getting the emo kids like, hey, you know what? You should listen to some of Ray Davies

stuff. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to start passing out Kinks records over by the high school up the street. Yeah. That wouldn't be suspicious or like put you on any lists. People would, I think, be like, this guy's handing out squares that

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And Joe Biden was on Jimmy Kimmel two nights ago. And I do think this is one of the benefits of having a president who is so off the cuff by necessity. You know, like, I don't I don't think it whatever best laid plans he's going into any appearance, any speech, any given sentence with it's gonna it's an adventure for him, for the people who work with him. So at one point, Jimmy Kimmel, you know, Jimmy Kimmel was asking fairly like hard hitting questions about the rip in the beginning when he's like, you're talking about Mitch McConnell. He's like, the thing about him is like when he says something he means and he's like, yeah, like when he said you can't confirm a Supreme Court justice with a year and a half left and then you go ahead and do the other thing. And Joe Biden's like, I don't know about that, man. I don't know. You don't know about that. I don't know about all that, Jack. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

It was it was it was interesting work to watch him. You know, Jimmy Kimmel be kind of irritated with him, too. Yeah. But so at one point, like kind of in response to all of that and like biden being sort of a hey glass half full though you gotta gotta understand we're doing the good work jimmy kimmel was like so what makes you like so optimistic about america i think a lot of people are worried uh and he gave this answer that i think we're we're gonna play for for you yeah and honestly should put everyone at ease.

Optimistic in my life, though. Tell you why. Why are you so optimistic? It makes no sense. No, it does. Look at the kids. Look at the young people. Best educated, least prejudiced,

most giving generation in American history. Turn on the television. No, I'm serious. There's something to television. No, I'm serious. No, I'm serious. You turn on the TV and look at the ads. When's the last time you saw biracial couples on TV? When's the last time you saw the way I mean, people are selling products.

They do ads to sell products. And they sell products when people, they appeal to people. This generation is going to change everything. We just What? Turn on the tv man when's the last time you saw a black man and a white woman canoodling over uh doing laundry at their house like what i mean in my most like cynical hopeless moments i might have thought that like that's actually what that's actually what their thought was like. Well, we're winning the culture wars in terms of what the demographics that are appearing in TV ads.

Look who the company's got to sell to. That does seem to be the primary place where you see the progressive values is in TV ads. Yeah. where you see the progressive values is like in tv ads like yeah and it's first of all like it's just it there's a couple problems first of all he's so old that he thinks interracial couples and like you know mixed race families are a new taboo like that's like a breakthrough like that's like tell my parents yeah he thinks like when was the last time i don't know man like always like that's that shouldn't be seen as a new thing i know like when you take the entirety of like the memories in his brain and like average them out they like land somewhere before this was commonplace but i mean there was also did you see the interview with diane feinstein and in new york magazine that she's like back and

forth between lucidity and you know not not quite and but she's like holding on to these small victories from years ago as proof that things in the currently broken version of our country can be salvaged so that's one problem and then the other problem that i think is very concerning is that the mainstream democratic party actually like takes these culture war like representation things as actual accomplishments yeah the the met like the barometer for progress shouldn't be what a fucking ad agency deems like acceptable for their commercials right you know and that's almost that's essentially what he distilled progress down to well the people on madison at fifth avenue and madison ave they're They're fine with miscegenation now. What, Joe?

The right is currently systemically just putting out a very steady, very consistent worldview that is racist, fascist, fully fleshed out. Out in the open. And it on like what people what like scared people and like, you know, hurting people who are hurting from like the things that our current system is failing to provide them. Like based on what they would want to believe and they're doing it constantly. It is sophisticated and the fact that joe biden is like sitting back and watching a cheerios commercial and being like we're we're

gonna be all right the kids are all right he looks at that he's like he's very not gonna lie i think they i thought they had us in the fourth quarter there. What the fuck are you talking about? It's very concerning, man. Like, very concerning. Yeah, I think that a lot of, you know, the problem with the Democrats and liberals in general right now, again, the small cultural victory, they do a whole lap. It's also like when they had the thing with the San Francisco Board of Education, where they were sitting there, like, obsessing over the names of the schools versus actually just opening up the schools because of COVID or doing what they needed to do to get kids back in school. It was more, they were much more interested in, like, the cultural victory than the actual functional, you know, the bigger idea, which is obviously helping kids. Also, I wonder, you know, if Jimmy Kimmel was being really hard hitting there, I think he should have let Joe Biden know that we've actually had a black president and just see how like his mind would have been blown by that idea. Right. Or watch him be surprised by that. That would have been

that would have been tough to take. It would have been tough to watch. Yeah. The, I think just even with Jimmy Kimmel, you know, he, he really was just like in the beginning,

he's like, why hasn't anything happened? You know, like maybe you could do like some of those executive orders that Trump was so willing to just like launch at will. And like Joe Biden signals like, well, you know,

the thing is like you you got to do things the right way right and if we do them the wrong way then we're we're just gonna we're just gonna backslide into total democratic collapse and you're like we're there dude yeah like we're fucking there what are you talking about now's not the time to be like well i'm gonna keep my like suit clean and my my whites it's their brightest white and not get in the muck and mire while the game is completely changed around you like you're not even you're not even dressed for what the situation is at the moment and i think that's what kind of it's hard to watch at times when we're we're constantly being reminded of what

the stakes are is like we're waiting for the other shoe to drop as it relates to row and like just hey man you got to do things the right way i'm i'm really into this old fucking document that it was written centuries ago that serves us absolutely no purpose at this point i think he kept like talking about it being square like doing things on the square or something like that the whole time I get it. You think I'm a square, Jimmy. But, you know, that's just... I also get asked, look, the Republicans don't play it square.

Why do you play it square? Well, guess what? If we do the same thing they do, our democracy would literally be in jeopardy. And that is not a joke. Yo, man. True. Do you think there's anybody in the Democratic Party that would play hardball the

way Republicans do? I think it would probably be someone who is so unencumbered by the like ebb and flow of like Capitol Hill politics and like the what you need to survive to really because I mean, the problem is every person has like these congressional instincts, which are like their third rail topics, you don't really speak very forcefully about certain issues or call out, you know, certain industries, especially like with Democrats, I, I feel like yeah, like anybody who is probably doesn't identify as like a big D Democrat is more willing to I think, speak to what the real problems are. Because again, like we talked about on the show, how is somebody who is like in the pocket of like,

you know, the financial sector going to forcefully talk about like income inequality or taxing the rich people? They're not because the game there is you receive your donations in order to, you know, gesture towards problems, but never fully identify them in your donations in order to, you know, gesture towards problems, but never fully identify them in your capacity as a politician, because that's not what you're essentially there to do. So I think the biggest issue is until there's a way to take the influence away from the hyper wealthy out of the political process, like there's not much is going to change. And there can only be a bunch of like noisy people like you have certain congress members who do speak truth to power but they're in a minority and their their voices aren't like brought to the forefront constantly like you do

see people who you know toe the line and sort of vouch for the status quo yeah but you know well if you look at a guy like say mitch m Mitch McConnell, who's probably the greatest diabolical practitioner of the dark arts in Congress and in American government, he's obviously somebody that is rewarded for playing dirty. To do the will of the cultural forces that screwed up the Supreme Court and got it to where it is right or corporations or with power and then the democratic side. It's just like not the things that you would need to. And it's not playing dirty, really. It's just like there are two parties, neither of which are like even approaching telling the truth about like how things are, how things actually work in the, in our current political system. But there's no incentive structure for them.

Like people started talking about the abuse of police, like during the 2020, like George Floyd protests. But then the entire incentive structure was like kind of took over and now the mainstream media and conservative media are just constantly cherry picking scary videos of crime and putting it everywhere because like as a backlash to that it's like any moment of confidence or moment of bravery from a you know left-leaning or progressive politician immediately gets like swallowed up because the entire system is just tilted in this one very specific direction right and it it's almost like

you have you know know, like the Koch brothers type network of oligarchs who love to fund the GOP, who are fully focused on like just gutting the federal government, privatizing everything and allowing themselves to profit. And they see their their their goals are inequality. And the same thing if you look at the financial sector, tech companies or, you know, anyone who's donating to any party, everyone's aim is to make their business or industry grow. There's no one who's actively giving money to a politician who's like, I'd like to make less money. I'd like more regulations so people are safer. And I'd love for all of my employees, I'd love for you to create laws where I have to actually begin, you know, sharing excessive

profits with the workers. You know, like it's just that's just not what it is. It's like I'm paying you to keep to use your capacity on this, you know, committee or subcommittee to not do any analysis on my industry, to not look at what the outcomes are that I might advertise to consumers and what their lived reality is after interacting with my company. And I want you to turn the other way. And in fact, I can also write this legislation that you can introduce that has these good things that you can tout as helping close loopholes while also making a very specific loophole for me, which I'm learning how to do my business smarter.

If I just exploit this other loophole, we can close those other ones off and create the illusion of progress together. other loophole we can close those other ones off and create the illusion of progress together and that's that whole fucking dance that we're stuck in every time because you know you you go against you know the hands that feed they fucking primary you they come out with all kinds of you know they'll find a reason to get you out of your seat and put someone in that is willing to do the job and you have to be someone who's extremely fortunate to come from like a solidly progressive district where you're like yeah man they can do like we fuck we fuck with whatever they say uh to be able to have like longevity because you do see a lot of people go in

one term and go out like you know just as quick because they came in talking too loud about this that or the other yeah yeah industry and we've had progressive politicians run for offices and like do way better than they had any right doing but the way it gets spun like that that would be the thing that i think at least i'm talking about is like playing the game like in a a way that is actually up to the task of countering republicans and how they operate but that gets like played that gets retold and like put in the national memory and in the media as like well that's a failure that's it when they're being like outspent like 50 to 1 it's like well that's a that's a failure and that's why these people could never run for

office with those ideas yeah yeah i think it's also a cultural thing where i think people who are for the most part who i think are more liberal-minded don't like seeing their guy not seem virtuous uh i i think there's something about that It's like the reason why like talk radio, you don't have like hardcore left wing talk radio is because people who are more liberal don't like, you know, the people shouting at each other and the whole bit. I think in the same way, I think people who are conservative don't mind if their guy, their congressman goes to Washington and acts like an a-hole as long as he gets his thing done. Like they, I think maybe they don't mind if their guy, their congressman, goes to Washington and acts like an a-hole as long as he gets his thing done. I think maybe they don't imbue these people with such moral fortitude. That's why when Donald Trump came about, they didn't really mind. Once he broke

that line of decency, public decency, everybody was fine with it. And I don't think you could have that with a liberal. I just don't think it would work. cultures regardless right like that's there's there's nothing on tv where you see anything that's beyond like what's like left of like rachel maddow and for all intents and purposes i wouldn't even say that she's like so extremely left that you would say like oh this is like left wing it's more like on our current sort of spectrum of like political ideologies that we see in the media sure it's the left but like there's no one really advocating for like collective action against like corporations or like workers withholding their labor to try and get change or think like those kinds of things are not really uttered on anything that is like mass massively mass distributed aside from podcasts i would say is like the one place where those voices are able to actually kind of like be out there and people can find it.

But I think at the end of the day, you know, there's just both sides are really just there to protect the status quo and they just do it in different versions. The Republican version is like totally charged up with racism. And that's one version. Or the sort of mainstream democrat version is like things aren't that bad okay and like they're gonna get better and right those are just two versions of telling someone in need that they don't like it doesn't matter what their needs are but one's like it doesn't matter because you're brown or it doesn't matter because joe biden's gonna fix it just fucking wait for it and those are are those that's essentially the messages that are coming out of there.

It's not like there's nothing particularly like revolutionary or like, oh, wow, that's different. Because at the end of the day, because of the nature of our system, there aren't people there that are incentivized to do what is right for their constituents. It's It's merely about how to make it as easy as possible to stay in Congress. And that's through, you know, taking whatever money is brought to you, because that's just less work for you to do raising your own funds or, you know, trying to do it without the help of corporations. And because the game is like, how much airtime can you afford in an election it's like why rick caruso did so well he spent 40 million dollars in la and most people they're

up their their brains were fried because of it like just being inundated with all this pro caruso stuff they're like i think it's okay right and we we have like this like i think really bad most americans have a really bad habit of sort of saying like, well, if this message comes out constantly, it must be right. It's just like how the Johnny Depp Amber Heard thing is like you just flood the zone with something. And that immediately people will default to that to say like, oh, this is the this is this is exactly what the story is. I'm not really there's no nuance to it. That's just what I'm hearing. Yeah.

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magic and like ai photoshop skills another one that went viral gender reveal 9-11 yeah that's it's just wild that one's pretty pretty gender reveal 9-11 as rendered by ai i think just sums up everything yeah you know it's everything and nothing it's just wild to see like those images where merely the computer is just like and i will take the 9-11 smoke and make some blue and some pink. Yeah. And they really nailed it. It's kind of like a comforting nihilism looking at it.

You know, like when you're just on the other side of everything being so supremely fucked that you're just kind of smiling in the ash, you know? Totally, yeah. Just like, well, we gender reveal nine 11. It is a bit like Thanos looking off at the sunset after he's made half of humanity disappear.

It's just like, ah, yes. Wait, what did Thanos do? Oh shit. Sorry. Was that a spoiler?

Yeah. I realized you're taking movie. Oh man. my bad. Is that what the snap is? No. No, no, no, no. The snap is just he has a funky rhythm in his heart and he's just trying to get it out.

He's in a music, he's in a street gang from a musical. He's part of a doo- duop group singing around a trash can fire okay good all right i'll check that out later hopefully that didn't ruin it yeah but yeah i i think that's a good description it's a it's kind of a comforting nihilism which seems to be kind of what we have to work with a lot of the times these days but this is of course like the second we started messing around with it i was like oh there has to be like some something some weird backstory to this it is a simplified version of a more sophisticated program created by open ai the company co-founded by elon musk and currently

funded by microsoft the name is a nod to salv Dali and the Pixar movie WALL-E. Okay. Interesting. Pretty on the nose. Yeah. An AI company has named their product after a movie in which humanity's laziness and dependence on automation

drives them to near extinction. It's a strong choice. Very strong. Love that one. That seems to be the thing, though, is just steer into the curve. You know, steer into the tailspin. Right. It's D-A-L-L-E-M-I-N-I

is the name of it. And you gotta check this out, guys. Go check this shit out. It's wild. But this is like mini and there's a big dolly coming, too? Yeah. That's supposed to be the super refined version? This is like mini and there's a big, there's big Dolly coming too. Yeah. Like that's a more, we're like supposed to be the super refined version.

Yeah. The full version of Dolly isn't available to the public and can create practically photorealistic images based on random bullshit. Like somebody typed Shibu Inoue wearing a beret and black turtleneck. And that's, that is the result that is exactly what you got the thing that so just if you go to the current mini publicly available version you're going to type something in and it's going to tell you that it's too busy too many searches yeah like when i try to get katie Katy Perry licking boot or Snoop Dogg licking boot.

It came up after numerous tries, but it's definitely it looks like everyone's face is melting in the shape of a boot, so maybe they still got a little bit of ways to go. Dolly. Can you give feedback? Like, you know,

can you respond back? Yeah, you know, you respond back, yeah, that just looked like a face melting into a boot. Can I have Katy Perry's tongue, bottom of boot? Exactly, on the sole of it. I was like, I don't know. And I tried different ones, like chewing on a Timberland, like maybe because it would be like, oh, that means the boot is in the mouth,

using these like operative phrases. But they weren't. The best one I kind of saw, I couldn't even, what was the other one? I think for Kendall Roy going super Saiyan. Yeah, right. That didn't quite work out either. Yeah, that just, like, seemed to have melted

the computer. It was just, like, smears of color. They were like, we don't know. Can you get balloons into this stuff? Like, like Katy Perry boot balloon. Yeah,

right. Oh, it totally almost pop, but like, not quite, but like, it looks like it's

about right to the edge, baby, right up there. It's just like bursting. You know what I'm saying?

Like all of those words are right. You know what I'm saying, man? Ah, this is going to be fucking sick.

This is so hot. So hot. You've reached the 100 character limit. The problem is that erotica is such a specific thing. The difference between something being sexy and not sexy, it's like really it's a game of centimeters, a game of millimeters. Exactly.

If AI can get to that point, then we've really gone over the rainbow. Well, here's the thing, right? It's like, it's because right now it's just drawing from available images, right?

To, to give us that. And like, like anything, we're just sort of at the will of what's out there on the internet and what this thing can scrap together. It does. It,

that was my first thought is like, how do they know that the one, the, the results that just gave me suck, you know, like as opposed to the ones. So we're a writer, JM put this story together and,

you know, is giving us the results for Thanos taking a back bathroom mirror, selfie, gender reveal, nine 11, the, you know, one, the, a couple more down below that we're going to get to.

And they're all pretty solid. But is there a machine learning aspect where it knows that, okay, those are the five search terms that actually work and everything everything else is very bad like it does seem like it should give you a chance to like click on the best one or something like that i'm over here workshopping this for them but it does feel like it's not not all the way there um other problem ai ultimately uses like raw material like you guys were saying, that is provided by humanity. So let me guess, it leans racist and misogynist? Yes. So the neural network is pulling from enormous pools of online text images and other data that show bias, of course.

Like if you ask for a nurse, it will produce women. Lawyers are all men. Weddings are all heterosexual. CEO will give you a picture of a white man. And then there's also, you know, we were talking about erotica. Dolly will, quote, merrily produce explicit content depicting nudity or violence. Wait, who said merrily? The designer? I think it's a I think it's from the vice right up okay i feel like our ai will merrily produce these images for you but you know the like for instance the way people use eggplant emoji in a sexual context the prompt a person eating eggplant for dinner ended up generating like very phallic imagery oh no i just like that the ai also like skews pervert it's like you don't know what a fucking eggplant is you're like sorry sorry i'm chronically online yeah like i can't imagine something that crawls the internet and doesn't come back

completely you know demented and evil right you know yeah it's it's just kind of like spitting us back to us right sure yeah and you know i'm not saying that that's a necessarily a positive thing but no i mean i think it is because it's merely saying okay train me this is based on what your humanity has depicted as these things. All right. Let her rip. This is what you wanted to see. CEO is this dinosaur guy.

Yeah. Danny DeVito and stained glass, though. Well worth your time. It's fantastic. Yeah. I want that on velvet. Yeah. Like a blacklight poster version? Yeah. Or yeah. Or the texture itself, it does of like poster version yeah or yeah or the texture itself it does seem

like fabric it doesn't i mean like the the images does they do look like stained glass but i'm like that would be a wonderful tapestry like a fabric tapestry for your wall it gives you like a good starting place to then touch it up but like for whatever reason the face always looks like somebody like you know a person who has had a face transplant or something like it's kind of all over the place there are some wild ones in that subreddit right now where people are just putting their weird dolly uh submissions one is osama bin Laden Funko Pop doll. It looks like it nailed it. Did they nail it? Jar Jar Binks at the Nuremberg trial.

It's fucking ridiculous. Oh my God. So Margaret Thatcher meeting Satan. I think a lot of people are having fun with this so yeah i'm glad we don't have the the full-blown version of dolly yet where they're like this looks like full-blown like misinformation this actually happened yeah right now it's like a a beginner level of Photoshop expertise working in 2012 or so. Seems to be what we're working with.

Wow, that's generous. Yeah. It makes me wonder, because I know we will eventually hit the point where nobody believes reality anymore. Nobody accepts reality, and everybody's reality is completely incorrect because

of, you know, obviously right now, because of misinformation online, we're seeing that and how it plays out in kind of an ugly way. But once this AI and, you know, people start doing the things, start doing the things with the faces,

you know, I mean, at what point? It's got to be within six, seven years that everything is five times worse than it is now because you can't believe anything because everything can just be, you know, created on computer and you can make it look like Joe Biden saying something completely

terrible and it's completely believable. Yeah. Six, seven years before that just becomes the new reality? I feel like the people who are behind it, they've already got it figured out. It just probably takes massive amounts of computing power.

Because they talk about it all the time. We've seen this already really disturbingly accurate deep fake videos. And so it's clearly like the capability is there. But I think when it gets to the point when it's like, yeah, dude, just fucking deep fake some and so it's clearly like the the capability is there but like i think yeah like when it gets to the point when it's like yeah dude just fucking deep fake some shit on your phone right that's and i think that's maybe yeah that that probably is not too far off but i think that's why there's like also like this counter campaign of people to try and develop the kinds

of tools to like help be like we can we can identify deep fake video like 99.9 accuracy like every time because that is like the other half of it that you know i feel like this is going to be normalized in this like back and forth of like completely realistic images and then the next part which is people like you're saying being like i don't know i like to believe that that deep fake is true so fuck it it's true for me yeah yeah it's like fact checking you know you put the politifact thing up there and then someone goes politifact is actually secretly owned by george soros and you're like okay well yeah is there a any like trend surprising thing that is like cropped up in like on upworthy as a thing that like people are using to kind of get through these dark times that like you've

noticed or that you guys have like seen seen become a trend i mean obviously like pets and adorable children and like you know but i think those are the ones that immediately spring to mind but have you noticed anything besides really hot balloon action that has popped out to you besides really hot balloon action that has popped out to you? When it comes to Upworthy, we've kind of pivoted over the last couple years from something that was more political, more kind of progressively political, and we've kind of ran from that a bit into actually creating a space that's kind of apolitical. And I think people really love that.

So it's almost like the whole platform in and of itself has become the thing people are going to, you know, at least it's our audience, which is pretty large because they just don't want, you know, the politics and stuff in their face. Yeah, understandable. So, you know, there's a big need for it. And, and the, the cool thing is that actually we're able to do very well as a publisher, creating stories that are, that are, you know, are counter-programming to what's going on normally in people's Facebook feeds. And not everybody's been successful at doing that because usually good news and things like that is,

it's not what people are looking for because people have a negativity bias because they naturally seek out what they are afraid of. Right, right. You know, if it bleeds, it leads, right? So the fact that we've been able to create stories that are still compelling and positive i think is a testament to you know the the quality of like writers we have that we're

able to do well with that so right got it all right man well thank you todd for joining us it's been a pleasure having you on where can people find you follow you all that good stuff uh well uh every week every saturday we have upworthy weekly which is a podcast with myself and allison rosen that's been on this show uh yeah you know from allison rosen your best friend and she was on the adam carolla show and she's just wonderful and we do a show where we kind of break down almost like your show but we we do more like kind of upworthies things it's things coming from the upworthy news bubble which is like positive good vibey uh feel good stuff so we

do that show every saturday and i think it's a hoot uh and then you can follow me on twitter at todd with one d a middle initial perry at todd. And, um, I thank you guys so much for having me on. I had a really good time. Uh, of recent, I've been more in the upworthy news bubble. So, uh,

seeing two guys that are really, uh, informed, uh, and being able to hang out with you guys today, it was really cool. So, Oh,

no. Oh, thanks man. The pleasure. I've, uh, past five years I've been, you know,

I I'm actually 23 years old and this is what I look like. Yeah, I look like shit. I'm just, yeah, I look like fucking shit. And Todd, is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Actually, you know what? When I saw this and it was sent to me, it was like your recommendation. So I went totally like off the board and didn't do anything that was on social media, unfortunately. No, no, all good.

People can use recommendations of all sorts and probably now more than ever can use recommendations that have nothing to do with social media. But you know, there are some great balloon sites on Instagram for anybody into that. Fantastic. I kid. I joke. All right. Thanks, guys. Awesome. I kid. I joke. All right. Thanks, guys. Yeah, thank you.

Miles, where can people find you? What is a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me and follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray, G-R-A-Y. Also, find us on Miles and Jack got mad boosties and NBA podcast. We're talking about the NBA finals. What a game game three

it's i think the celtics might win that's six celtics and six i'm just i'm feeling i'm just i can't deny it i love jason tatum i hate to say it i love him he looks just like my cousin shout out austin uh let's see what else oh also the also the other podcast, uh, four 20 day fiance with Sophia Alexandra, where we talk 90 day fiance, a tweet that I like, let me just pull this thing up. Uh, okay. So this is from, look, I love, I think you should leave memes that I think you should leave memes account, which is at I T Y S L underscore memes. It said not feeding the guests at my, I think you should leave themed wedding because I spent the catering budget on Bart Harley Jarvis and Carl Havoc impersonators. And I just love that the specificity of that one. And then also this is from Chase Mitchell at Chase Mitt has a screen screen cap of the first Jurassic Park film where the T-Rex t-rex first blows through the electrical fence with all the trapped ford explorers right there and i tweeted i firmly believe that as long as we live cg will never look better or more convincing than it does in this scene we peaked early and i when i i wholeheartedly believe that i still to this day i'm like that shit looks so good i'm what happened like where is it because it's most

of it wasn't cg yeah well yeah right because there is a lot of good stan winston stuff but like even when it's out walking like those looked really good too anyway yeah that was just a dude in a rubber suit man that was just yeah a guy with gigantism in a rubber suit tweet i've been enjoying at nif Muhammad tweeted, I'm back to getting up 50 to 75 jump shots in the evenings when I can. And today someone saw me on the court and watched me make a few in a row and yelled, Hey man, there's a tornado warning. And I thought it was some kind of compliment on my shooting.

So I yelled back. I know that's right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles what song do we think people might enjoy uh man this is gonna be a track from the group arrow whack r-a-r-a-w-a-k and it's called

akade a harlem a-c-c-a-d-d-e then a then harley like harley harlem new york and this is a track it's just it's it's like um what's the dude uh jethro tull right like if jethro tull was like a character from shaft this like if that like because it's like a funky flute track that has like some darkness to it some grit to it like it's bring that really funky flute yeah bring that funky flute there it is you know what i mean get on that one leg like you hitting that flute solo for jethro tull and check this one out akade a harlem by arawak all right well we are going to link off to that in the footnotes the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast

or wherever you listen to your favorite shows yeah that's going to do it for us this morning. We're back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we'll talk to y'all then. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper

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