The Daily Zeitgeist - Big Wine Has Tricked You, Netflix Pisses Off The Internet 8.21.18

Episode Date: August 21, 2018

In episode 216, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Vanessa Gritton to discuss the Rosé conspiracy, Netflix starting to experiment with ads for their other shows, Men Right's Activist joy over the Asia Argento report, Michael Shannon's reaction to questions about Trump, Brett Kavanaugh's shady past, porn star's playing Fortnite, GOP senate candidate Kelli Ward touring with alt-righter Mike Cernovich, and more! FOOTNOTES:1. Smash Mouth Cusses Out Fans Throwing Bread2. Smash mouth singer goes insane at Taste of Foco3. Bribes, Backdoor Deals, and Pay to Play: How Bad Rosé Took Over4. Netflix will now interrupt series binges with video ads for its other series5. Netflix Is Betting Its Future on Exclusive Programming6. Netflix is testing ads for Netflix original content on Netflix7. Netflix Is Running Ads That It Insists Aren’t Ads8. Relax, binge watchers. Netflix is not adding commercials9. 20 NETFLIX HACKS YOU AREN'T USING (BUT SHOULD BE)10. That bucket of KFC in 'Stranger Things' is not a coincidence: Why product placement is back in vogue11. A company owned by Bill Gates is placing companies' products in Netflix and Amazon shows12. The #MeToo Movement Is About More Than One Person: Asia Argento Settled With Sexual Assault Accuser13. Michael Shannon will never, ever play Donald Trump14. A Judge, a Renomination and the Cross-Burning Case That Won't End15. BUSH SEATS JUDGE AFTER LONG FIGHT, BYPASSING SENATE16. Porn Stars Turn To ‘Fortnite’ And Other Big Games As Brand Builders17. Kelli Ward to tour with Pizzagate conspiracy theorist Mike Cernovich. No, really18. MUST WATCH: When @kasie asks GOP Sen candidate Kelli Ward about having an alt-right figure on his state-wide bus tour19. WATCH: Marlowe - Lost Arts Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Zyte kicks the living shit out of me. Okay, thank you to Will Moran at willymode323 for that one. Who is that? Eve6 or 7Dust or... Oh, Blink-182. Is that what that is? Yeah. Please, 7Dust.

I don't know. You got that real sneer, you guys i think it's something about growing up in southern california dog you know honestly like emo shit is my favorite way to talk emo guy emotium speaks in emo uh if this was still 2010 at the height of internet sketch comedy i would do a sketch called emotium about a supplement you drink to give you emo voice. All right, great. And that's called Lost Sketches with Miles. And in our third seat, we have the host of the podcast,

Brujaha on the Unpopular Opinion Network, the hilarious stand-up comedian, Vanessa Gritton. Hi. Hey. How are you? I'm psyched, and I'm thinking a lot about Blink-182 now. Yeah, I did not realize how you perfected the voice that they had. Thank you.

How would you describe that voice? I describe that voice as like boy in an etny's shoe. Oh, yeah. You know, that kind of like, please tell me, that kind of deal. You know what? I just got the word in off the Google. It's by Lit. Oh, Lit.

Is that Lit? By Lit. Oh, they own that one bar in downtown Fullerton that only plays 90s. They own a bar in downtown Fullerton? Yeah. It's called the Slide Bar, and they only play Blink-182 and Lit and shit like that. Wow. That's an amazing cultural move to start a bar that only plays you like that. Wow. That's an amazing cultural move

to start a bar that only plays you. Right. We're sort of underrated. Whoa, the photos though. I grew up in Orange County. Slide bar, rock and roll kitchen. Where in Orange County? Fullerton.

Okay. Like on the border of Anaheim and Fullerton. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. Well, we're going to get to know you even better than we just did. But first, we like to tell our listeners what they're in store for. We are going to tell them about the conspiracy that is out there to get you to drink shitty

pink wine. We are going to talk about Michael Shannon's interview with Playboy. We're a Michael Shannon appreciation society here at Daily Zeitgeist. Yes, we are. We're going to talk about Netflix experimenting with ads and what to do about that. We are going to talk about Asia Argento

and the latest revelations about her. We're going to talk about Kelly Ward, who is running for Senate and has literal Mike Cernovich on her bus tour. A literal Mike Cernovich. A literal Mike Cernovich. We're going to talk about the newest way to market your wares if you are a porn star. It involves Fortnite.

And we're going to talk about Kavanaugh. The Kavanaugh. The Supreme Court nominee. Nothing K, and some shady shit from his past that we're finding out about. Besides the $200,000 in baseball tickets. Yeah, besides that. I like how that one just completely was swept aside. It's just so hard to hold in your mind the idea of $200,000 in baseball tickets. But Vanessa, let's find out.

What's something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? The last thing I searched that reveals who I am is what is that song that goes doot doot do? And a lot of different variations of it. Like doot doot doot doot doot doot doot doot? No, like doot doot doot do, do, do, do, do. No, like, do, do, do, do,

do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do,

do, do, because what had happened was I had actually had a bunch of rosé. Okay. And I got drunk and I wandered into Pershing Square and I came across Smash Mouth after arguing with someone that it was indeed Smash Mouth. And somebody said that the spin doctors opened for them. And I started crying because I thought they had that doot Doot Doot song and I missed it.

But then somebody was insisting that it wasn't the Spin Doctors. So I kept trying to look it up. But the only lyrics I knew was Doot Doot Doot. So I kept typing in Doot Doot Doot. And it was actually Third Eye Blind. Oh, yeah. Doot Doot Doot. Doot Doot Doot.

Doot Doot Doot. Wait, was that the show this weekend? Yeah, that was the one this weekend. It was Spin Doctors and who? It was Spin Doctors and Smash Mouth. Fucking hell. It was at Pershing Square. It was free.

I wandered into it, but I thought it was Third Eye Blind because they have that song that's happy, but it's about meth. And spent forever trying to figure out what the Doot Doot Doot song was called. Oh, man. Man, I should have gone to that. It was awesome. I walked in when they were playing I'm a Believer, and I couldn't remember the name of it either, so I was like, Shrek song!

And you didn't catch the Spin Doctors? Did not catch the Spin Doctors. Oh, that's a miss. I would have only gone for the spin. Yeah. Because I'm just walking around with a pocketbook kryptonite. Just there for the spin. Little Miss can't be wrong.

You know, two princes. You know, I'm out here with that. God, man, they had a talent for just a very specific type of earworm. Little Miss, Little Miss, Little Miss can't be wrong. You know, Two Princes. You know, I'm out here with that. God, man. They had a talent for just a very specific type of earworm. Little Miss, Little Miss, Little Miss, can't be wrong. Man, their shit was like on every like 90s trailer. Every single one. My God. Especially Smash Mouth.

Oh, God. We'll get to your underrated in a moment. But one of the more underrated videos on the internet is the time that the lead singer of Smash Mouth went into the crowd at a concert because the crowd threw bread at him and he was trying to fight people in the crowd. But it's as the band is vamping for All Star. And so they're just vamping like crows and then he's like, come on, come over here,

I'm gonna kick your fucking ass, man. And you just hear him losing it the whole time. And then after 15 minutes of him talking shit to the crowd and being in the crowd, he gets back up on stage and is like, somebody wants to... It's like the greatest. And the band is just so used to him being a diva that they're just vamping the whole time.

They're like, yeah, he's gonna fight someone. Yeah, he's gonna fight someone while we do the beginning of All-Star for three minutes. Wasn't that at a state fair or something? I think so. It was not a concert really, where people paid to see you, which is why they threw bread

at you, my friend. Not that you should ever throw bread at a performer, but it's not like you were at a performance for people who paid to see you there. If I can see you from the top of a rickety roller coaster, it's not like you were at a performance for people who paid to see you there. Like if I can see you from the top of a rickety roller coaster, it's not a concert. No, not at all. But my question is, is there a specific reason for the bread?

Like is there a tie-in to the bread? I don't know. I don't think so. I just remember that it was bread. Like octopi and hockey? Yeah. Someone just being like, fucking smash mouth. Some significance. Take this King's Hawaiian roll. I just think that people should now bring bread and throw it at smash mouth. Some significance. Yeah. Take this King's Hawaii roll. I just think that people should now bring bread and throw it at smash mouth

from now on. Maybe it's a gluten allergy. Yeah, that could be it. Vanessa, what's something that's underrated? Deeply underrated, canned spam. Canned spam.

Yep. Is there another form of spam we're not aware of? I know, just canned. Just canned. It only comes in a can. You have to wiggle it out. It burps on its way out.

And I think it's hella underrated because it's something I've always gotten shit for eating. But it's so fucking versatile. It'll last forever and it can go into just about anything. And it's delicious. It's basically all of the best parts of a porky meat without having to splatter your kitchen in grease. And I feel like we're not doing enough. Hawaiians have it right. We're not doing enough shit with Spam.

I mean, the musubi is my favorite way to use Spam. It's a phenomenal piece of food. I remember the first time I had it, I was like, man, I'm not eating no fucking Spam. And then I ate it, and I was like, this salt meat flap is my favorite thing ever. What is musubi? It's just basically putting on a bed of sushi rice

a thin slice of spam on top that's sort of griddled, fried basically on the outside. You get a little char that you wrap it with the seaweed on top. It's magical. Yeah. It's fucking amazing. When I was a kid, one of my favorite sandwiches was just yellow mustard white bread and griddled spam.

And it doesn't sound like... It's like musubi where it's three ingredients, but it's phenomenal. See, I don't venture outside of the spam musubi. Spam and eggs. Oh, yeah. Spam and fried rice. Amazing. Yeah, okay.

I love spam. It's hell underrated. Breakfast meats in general. I feel like people should not be looking down their nose at one breakfast meat but eating the other. I mean, they're all a mess, kind of. Yeah. They're all a mess and they all ruin the backsplash of your kitchen.

I should eat it, because I love canned corned beef hashed. Yes. Like dog food meat. Fuck, I love that shit. It looks like cat food. Yeah. In a way, I'm like, why the fuck am I not really fucking with Spam? Because I eat this other trash can meat.

So I should be eating the Spam outside of just the musubi. You like a good hash? Oh, yeah. Oh. Cue the Weezer. Wait, you were saying Spam doesn't cause the backsplash grease, or it does? It doesn't when you fry it on its own because it has sufficient just meat jelly in it. Ah, got it.

But if you try and put it in oil, it's just going to firework on you. Yeah, yeah, right. Got it. What is something that you think is overrated? Fucking honeydew. Honeydew. I hate honeydew melon. I hate honeydew melon.

That's the green one? It's the green one. It's the green with not a ton to it. And everybody's like, oh, it's so refreshing. It's a refreshing fruit. But I think it's filler. Every time I've ever ordered a fruit cup

and they're like, it's a seasonal fruit cup. It's 90% honeydew and like one strawberry on it. Yeah, tell them, tell them. Or like anytime I'll go somewhere and there's like some kind of nice, like nifty ice cream flavor,

I'm like, oh, is it Thai iced tea? Is it taro? And it's fucking honeydew. Honeydew is a bullshit filler melon. Honeydew is a second string fruit. Wow. For people who like honeydew, why do they think fruit salads

will have the good fruit on the outside and like just be packed with honeydew on the inside? Yeah. That's filler. It's a packing peanut. Yeah, exactly. It's a packing peanut.

And half the time, it's not even sweet. Right. It's just there. It has the form of a fruit. But when you eat it, it's like, oh, this is just water that tastes a little bit like green. It's the equivalent of air in a bag of baked Lay's. Yeah. They just throw it in there.

Why baked lays for that comparison? Because I feel like that has a higher ratio of air to chips. Oh, really? It's a more fragile chip. I don't do that to myself. Eat a baked lay. Oh, really? It's basically a Pringle. But I guess so, too, because they're so delicate, the baked lay.

Anyway. And finally, Vanessa, what is a myth? What's something people think is true that you know to be false? That Latinos can dance. It's always every Latino can dance. Every Latino can dance. And I've always been the antithesis to that statement. Okay.

Ever since I was a kid, my entire family has always been like, oh, it's just in you. The rhythm's always in you. And it never got me. I've been promised that the rhythm was going to get me, and it never happened. And I've collected a friend group in Los Angeles of other Latinos with not a shred of rhythm in their body. And I now publicly debunk this, because on a show that's going to be out soon that I worked on,

they had the crew come out and dance at the end of the finale. And I don't know if we can use that take anymore because everyone's dancing and I walk in. Is she having a seizure? And I'm anxious and I don't want to touch anyone. So I tried dancing by myself and it doesn't look great. So I panic and I tried turning around, but now my back's facing the camera. So I have someone yelling at me to turn back around so I turn around and I do that like high school boy

like shaking the dice oh shit yeah letting them out of the bus and it looks like I'm having a seizure and I panic and I get tangled in my mic and everything so I just drop all of my shit onto the sound stage bend down to pick it up

someone releases a confetti cannon, and I fall down. So I don't know. This sounds like it should be the show. Just a nonstop pratfall of you trying. Coming this fall, awkward dancers. Because there's an entire group of people dancing, and I'm like two feet away, at least,

dancing by myself. Wow. Because I don't know what to do near people okay so all right proved it on camera but do you like i love dancing okay that's the weird part i fucking love it like i actively so what kind of moves you do it's like a two-step it's it's mostly just like a two-step or like something that looks like salsa but it isn't salsa but i know that people who don't know how to dance salsa it looks like it's something to them right if someone knows it's not anything you're like she's not a salsera she doesn't know so it's mostly just like what i think they look like and in dark places so i could

just do it myself and if you're listening to other music like what's what's the music you dance to that gets you going uh oh shit your big toe shoot up in your boot. Flume. Flume, yeah. How do you rock out to flume then? It's mostly just a lot of shoulder wiggling and bending over. There you go. I'm a much better dancer when I'm sitting down.

Yeah. I'm a great dancer when I'm sitting down. When I'm standing up. Just, yeah, get your neck going like. Stand up. I'm like, uh-oh. Oh, boy. Too many things can move.

Pull up to the club in a wheelchair so nobody has to ask anything. And they're like, damn, you going like, stand up. I'm like, uh-oh. Too many things can move. Pull up to the club in a wheelchair so nobody has to ask anything. And they're like, damn, you're doing something over there. There was one day we were all dancing to Flume and everyone else had done psychedelics that day, but I decided to sit out the last second and I heard somebody point at me

while I was dancing and say, oh man, she's really feeling it. And I'm like, yep, that's what's happening. Well, look at the way she's in. She's got to be fucked up off her head. Did a whole bunch of shrooms. Do you like the tennis court remix, Lorde? I do.

I do like a good tennis court remix or holding on is a good one. One thing I used to do was I bought tap shoes even though I don't know how to tap dance to try and tap to things in my living room because I hated my downstairs neighbor and tap is fun. Wow. Good for you.

So I'd play like something real weird and try and tap to it. You're the most ambitious person for being bad at something. I'm so bad at it, but I want to not be so bad. That's amazing. My downstairs neighbors hate me. Well, stick with it. Maybe the rhythm will get you. They need to bring that show Made back from MTV.

Yes. MTV Made. I used to watch Made as a kid, and I desperately want to be one of those kids that they taught a cool choreography move. I feel like MTV could do good by rebooting that and just taking adult millennials now, who used to be the focus back in the early 2000s, and be like, okay, what did you want to do? Like, I just want to dance a little bit.

I just want to dance. All bit. I just want to dance. All right. Let's get into the Rosé conspiracy, guys. What is this conspiracy exactly? So apparently this article was written by a Rosé expert, a person who has written books on Rosé and what quality Rosé is. Yes. Thank you.

Bring in the conspiracy music. Bring in the conspiracy music. She basically says that rosé is generally usually garbage, and they use grapes that can't be used in other wines, and then apparently this stuff called bulk wine that she refers to is made with 75 ingredients besides grapes, which I didn't know was possible, but apparently wine doesn't need to have ingredients on the bottle.

75 ingredients that are not wine? Yeah, that are not grapes. Yeah. God damn it. Okay, go on. Yeah. What the fuck? I didn't even realize.

I thought it was simple. The rules of wine was like motherfucking grapes. It's a grape. Yeah, you would think so. Water. Water and grapes. So they say that somewhere along the line, a rosé company will realize a restaurant is popular or has some buzz, particularly around the wine program. So they stop by, drop off a business card, and then they will start offering things like cash incentives to the sommelier.

The writer of the article is a sommelier. Dinners. She writes sporting game tickets, proving that she is- Sporting game. Yeah. As posh as you think she'd be. Yes, exactly. Hello, fellow billionaires.

Would you like a ticket to the sporting game? Would you like a ticket to the sporting game? And basically it's a payola deal for putting different bottles of rosé. And the way that they can sort of trick people is that rosé is served colder than other beverages. And the colder the beverage, the easier it is to kind of come. Right. You basically are masking the flavor with the sensation of coldness which is why Coors Light made it their whole

thing to be like our beer is cold. It's so cold you don't realize you're drinking piss. For the Blue Mountain and just close your eyes and think of England. Right. And then in Europe you know they serve beer at room temperature because they know how to make beer. Apparently, Americans are not going to like that statement. But I find

alcohol marketing really interesting. Like I read an article a long time ago about the guy who made Grey Goose. And I think he became a billionaire off of this. And just the way he made his first amount of money was by discovering that Jaeger was this thing that like frat guys were taking shots of as like a dare. And he was like, oh, we could actually market that. one college and then started like building out this marketing network of people who were like taking jaeger shots as a dare and essentially like made it into the college like shot alcohol that it is today which is why bars now have that weird fucking cooling machine with the upside down bottle behind the bar a little spigot on it yeah and they're like oh yeah you shot a jaeger out of this weird it was just like some frat bros discovered this weird German or some European country aperitif, and they were like, oh, this is so gross. But it also doesn't make you feel sick to your stomach because it is for digestion. Yeah, because it's used as medicine for something.

Like, oh, have a little bit of Jaeger Maestro. I didn't know that that was why it was appealing because every time I've ever had Jäger, I felt like I'm dying. Yeah. Yeah, I think it feels like a rite of passage. Like, yeah, man, you do some fucking Jäger shots. Not because you love...

The flavor was never that appealing to me. Right. I don't think it's appealing to most people, but realizing that he was basically a marketing wizard after he tricked people into buying the grossest liquor ever, he was like, well, what can we trick people into drinking next? And so Grey Goose was the first vodka where they charged basically like 50% more than other vodkas, which has already sold at a huge markup. percent more than other vodkas which has already sold at a huge markup and like chemically it's identical to other vodkas right but they just put it in a what looks like a wine bottle and put like a cork on the lid or on the cap and that like made it seem classier and you know it worked even more

money on that that frosted bottle it's interesting that it's such a chemically based thing, like an actual widely used drug that most people have used. You'd think that we'd be better at knowing how the chemical makeup affects us, but it actually, I feel like, has so much tied up into

self-mythologizing and self- image that it's easier to trick people with marketing with alcohol. It's weird that rosé blew the fuck up in the last five years. I remember it being like, oh yeah, there's that pink wine and then everything

became a lifestyle thing. I'll go to your bridal shower if there's rosé. Rosé all day shirts. Yes way rosé. Rosé pink houses shirts. Yeah. Like Rosé hats. Yes way, Rosé. Rosé pink houses. Rosé in cans. I was at Target

and I was like trying to get like just some beach towels and shit. And the only ones they had left were these like all the Rosé line of beach shit. I was like, yo, yes way.

Namaste in Rosé. Yeah, like seriously, like Rosé and chill. Like chill and Rosé. Like, okay, cool. Wow. Netflix like chill and rosé. Like, OK, cool. Wow.

Netflix and chill and rosé tied together. The most of the moment corny thing. But guys, if you do like a dry and fruity floral rosé, please check out Provence or Grenache. I dig a good rosé mostly just because like I dig cold shit in the summertime. Most wine makes me sweaty. So it's one of the few beverages that doesn't do that but also if anybody here's ever had rosé and anything other than really really chilled it tastes like shit that canned rosé that's really popular now because they had um

they had this house painted brightly pink somewhere over on wilton and they didn't say what it was for but millennials kept going to take like selfies there and take photos and tour the house. And it turns out the house was actually an advertisement for like millennial pink being tied in with Rose for this campaign for this canned Rose. So people didn't even know that when they were attacking themselves and all of this, they were essentially like creating the hashtag that would be used for this

Rose company. They were tricked into thinking it was an art installation, but it was actually advertisement for this can rosé thing. Wow. And I tried that can rosé at a party once because they had these girls walking around having people try them. The only thing is they didn't chill it sufficiently.

So as soon as we all took one giant swig, it was just like a back because it tasted like those buzz balls that you get at gas stations. Oh, wow. Yeah. Like half sphere. Yeah. The half spheres that always taste like plasticky somehow. Yeah, yeah.

And they were like, oh, there's the thing. You can't have this at anything other than almost frozen. Right. I mean, Froze was big, too. Froze is huge. That was like the hit of last summer wine slushy yeah it's like a wine slushy that they even like made tumblers for like they look like little wine glasses but they had like a little sippy at the top and

they would keep it frozen so you can like take it with you places yeah rosea yeah the market is strong just go for a cheap white zinfandel it does the same thing right exactly and that's what they say like it's pretty much what you want if you want the rose experience do the Zinfandel. It does the same thing. Right, exactly. And that's what they say. It's pretty much what you want. If you want the rosé experience, do the Zinfandel. But I wonder if they can. You're like, ooh, this is good wine.

They're like, actually, legally, we can't say wine. It's 1% wine. It's a grape drink. Yeah, what? Alcoholic grape drink. All right,

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Brought to you by the USDA Forest Service, your state forester, and the Ad Council. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is braggadocious. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so

good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. Listen to The Making of a Rivalry, Caitlin Clark vs. Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. and we're back shout out to producer anna hosnier for affording the rose article around to our thread yesterday it's it's a hell of a read people text thread y'all will never be a part of right remember that text thread so guys the social medias were a buzz over the weekend because Netflix apparently started showing them ads. Yo, get out of here with this shit. You motherfucker. I was giving a promise.

I know. I don't not pay for access to a Netflix account to see ads. Right. No, sir. Yeah, but I mean, we're supposed to be able to binge. When you're binge drinking, you don't have to pause between bottles for a few words from Captain Morgan. You're just expecting to mainline that shit. So this is kind of breaking the spell of what we go to Netflix for, according to people outraged on social media. On Reddit, someone posted, they're like, I'm getting ads after my Bob's Burgers or some show they're watching. And then other people were like, I think I'm getting it too, but not everyone got it. But the whole new thing was like it was suggesting shows

in between your binge sesh. And then Netflix kind of came out with a statement that said, you know, it's a test. They say, quote, we are testing whether surfacing recommendations between episodes helps members discover stories they will enjoy faster. And I get that. But I feel like most people, it's weird. I use Netflix like when I used to have DVDs and you just had that like the same like fucking 40 DVDs.

You're like, what am I going to watch today? The same nine episodes of The Office I've always been watching or whatever. And I'll ignore the thousands of other things. That might be good. But I think a lot of people were mad or whatever. But again, they're saying it's just a test. So they do this all the time. This isn't the first time they've tested things. So if you don't like it,

don't interact with it. And then maybe they'll get the fucking message. They wouldn't like the ads. Even though I feel like that's not going to work. Because I feel like they've already introduced UIs that we have shown we hate, and they're sticking around. Like the autoplay of trailers when you scroll through. Right. Everyone has been very, very vocal that they hate that UI,

and it's not going anywhere. Right. Like, I used to work customer support for Hulu, and I would get, get like insane amount of calls and emails and whatever it may be for something that we introduced and like the numbers showing that people aren't interacting, but it doesn't change. Right.

They're like, we have to do this for money, so. I think the most annoying thing is that once you see an ad for something, you're like, fuck, I can't watch that because then it will seem like the ad worked. Oh, is that how you see an ad for something, you're like, fuck, I can't watch that because then it will seem like the ad worked. Oh, is that how you think? Well, I mean, if we're going by your rules, which are you can't actually click on the thing. Right.

Because they're just trying to expose you to new things while you're watching your same nine episodes of The Office. Yep. Love the Dundies. You're just trying to hold it in your mind. Great episode. Great episode. Great Asian racism in that

one it's so heartwarming for me but i mean this isn't yeah like you were talking about dvds and vhs tapes and we had to sit through hs tapes we had to sit through like previews uh before those like i i don't know and also also, Netflix apparently has been selling us shit in the background of their movies in like product placement and we just didn't realize it, or I didn't at least. That scene during Stranger Things 2 where the kids are like shoving KFC into their mouth and one of them says, this is finger licking good.

That was an actual product placement that KFC paid for. Oh shit, I didn't know that. Damn you, Stranger Things. Tin Cup Whiskey, it pays for product placement on Jessica Jones, which is weird because the show makes it clear she has a serious drinking problem.

Yep. GMC pays for product placement on Queer Eye. Dunkin' Donuts pays for product placement on House of Cards. Jose Cuervo pays for product placement on Queer Eye. Dunkin' Donuts pays for product placement on House of Cards. Jose Cuervo pays for product placement on Fuller House. No, they don't. When the fuck were they sipping Cuervo? Probably when DJ, not DJ, but the other one.

DJ, DJ Tanner. When Stephanie goes as DJ Tanner. Stephanie as a DJ. At Coachella. Yeah, probably then. Wow, they made that real confusing to try and describe. Yeah, I know. Jesus.

I'm trying to think, though. Millennials are so easy to market to. Hey, I fuck with Fuller House. It's awful. It's a terrible show. But there's something so nostalgic about that family. I don't know what it is. I can't quit them.

I know we're easy to market to just because of the amount of subscription services I have. Right. I have a subscription water bottle service. I am so fucking gullible. Wait, a subscription water bottle? Where they just send you an empty bottle? It's called Circle. The first one is free because the first one always is.

Of course. And they send you a free water bottle with interchangeable filters that taste like different things but don't have sugar in them. Hey, they're not a sponsor, okay? And they're definitely not a sponsor. You're making this sound too good. And they do not taste that great. Oh, good don't have sugar in them. Hey, they're not a sponsor, okay? And they're definitely not a sponsor. You're making this sound too good. And they do not taste that great.

Oh, good. Tear it down. I think they taste good. Everyone else thinks they taste like trash, but I like the taste of sugar-free things. Right. So I like it. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean?

I hate that sweetener. Yeah, like I like the taste of sweetener things. Of aspartame. Yeah. Aspartame. Otherwise known as aspartame Which is I think technically a neurotoxin Or something like that

It has some kind of classification as a neurotoxin That's a weird one because It gave rats cancer And there was like a lot of Publicity around that But first of all there's speculation That a lot of that was funded by The sugar industry and also the amount of

aspartame you would have to take would have to come in wheelbarrows to be the equivalent of what the rats are eating. I just meant more in the sense that the way it tricks you to give that sensation of sweetness is by tricking your brain cells

and shit. Oh, really? I already got tricked into getting the water bottles. And I'm out here pronouncing it as aspartame. So take that with three grains of salt. At that point, I mean, there's also these things about how different colored pills can make you go to sleep faster and sleep longer if it's a blue colored pill.

And it's like, yes, it's a placebo. But when you get into the brain chemical it's like a blue colored pill. And it's like, yes, it's a placebo. But when you get into like the brain chemical it's causing, it's both pills are just causing chemicals to occur in your brain. So at that point, it's like getting into the matrix of like human existence. It's like, well. Of course, the blue pill puts you to sleep, bro.

Exactly. So I can take that fucking red pill. Well, we do that with food all the time. Like wasabi shouldn't be that green. Ginger shouldn't be that pink. Like banana pie shouldn't be that green. Ginger shouldn't be that pink. Banana pie shouldn't be that yellow. But people need the little push to be like, oh, that must be delicious.

It's brightly colored by what I think it should be. Right. It's glowing. I need that in my mouth. Yeah. I do just worry about what this says about us, that we're up in arms about them showing us ads for their other products,

but we're just letting them shove KFC ads down our throats just because it's like, yeah, well, it doesn't interfere with the stream of content that's just going directly into my veins. I'm just waiting for someone to break the fourth wall in the middle of a fucking show to sell something. Like 30 Rock? Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

When they just look at the camera and be like, Snapple! Right. Do we know if Doritos paid for the Wayne's World spot? You mean like that whole section where they do all of them? That whole section where they do product placement? I mean, they probably would have had to because you can't say Doritos without getting Doritos permission.

By the way, Doritos are delicious. The taste of a new generation of Pepsi. And they're so flammable. Oh, I can't. I got this headache. So flammable. Yeah. Here, take two of these.

What are they? New print. Little. Yellow. Different. I miss the 3D ones. The 3D. Oh, shit.

3D Doritos. Remember them? They would come in that weird little canister. Yeah. And then it looked like a flashlight. And you'd pop it open. And they were all puffed out. Oh, fuck. 3D Doritos. Remember them? They would come in that weird little canister. Yeah. And then you'd pop. It looked like a flashlight. And you'd pop it open. And they were all puffed out.

Oh, fuck. I love those. They were basically two. It reminded me of a Japanese chip that's a puffed corn chip. It was a puffed corn chip, but made to look like a triangle had become pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't they serve those at 7-Eleven?

There were hot three-dimensional Doritos. I never had them, but I always wanted to. Oh, the Asteroids. There were hot Cheeto Puffs. Yes. I know my trash food. Yes. And welcome to our new podcast, Trash Food. Guys, speaking of the red pill and the fact

that we all have to take one, Isra Argento, it has been revealed, paid off a person who she had sexual relations with when he was 17 in California, where the age of consent is 18. The details are pretty disturbing. leaders of the Me Too movement who was sexually assaulted by Harvey Weinstein. And her account of that sexual assault was one of the first kind of detailed accounts that we got. And MRAs, men's rights activists, are celebrating this as the ultimate busting of the Me Too movement and drudge the whole top six headlines are different commentaries on this. Script flipped as Weinstein accuser faces accusation. Okay.

It's at least worth noting that this is a victim of abuse herself who then enacted similar abuse that she suffered onto another much younger victim. And it's fucked up and doesn't excuse her, but this isn't some debunking of the danger of sexual violence. It's actually what you hear happens. It's like a chain of victimization. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people,

especially in the MRA movement, don't understand that you could be a victim and a victimizer all at once yeah uh and that that isn't the antithesis of the movement but it's like it's why it exists everybody is having to pay penance at some point and it's not something that only benefits women it's also something that makes it easier for men to come forward as well yeah absolutely i mean what the logical gymnastics of being like oh this person is guilty or settled a some kind of sexual assault claim out of court therefore the me too movement is null right like yeah what there's not one spearhead and i feel like i hear men on stage and men refer to it as like oh this person got me too'd like it's punked right or it's like

ah this one got it where's ashton oh look at the look on his face oh he got me too'd and it's like no you're still wow holy shit you're still not getting it uh you didn't get me too'd you did some shit in the past and we're finding out about it. Consequences is not the same thing as being unfairly punished. You're just paying the consequences for something you did. Yes. Yeah, even on Twitter, I saw people retweeting or just taking screen caps of other people's wild takes on Twitter about this. Yeah. Like, huh, is this the end?

Uh-huh. No. Like, huh, is this the end? Uh-huh. No. Yeah, probably. Because that, I don't, unless in their mind that somehow Asia Argento, like, this solves the problem of people exploiting their power for gain or to punish people who don't, you know, acquiesce to their advances. I'm not sure. Like, again, these people are, I guess when you're on this side of the argument, on the MRA side

of it, you're just so desperate for anything to kind of shatter the thing that is so clearly an issue that you just don't want to confront or be honest with yourself. Yeah, and it's like, where were any of you for Terry Crews? Right, right. You're standing here and saying this is the one thing that disrupts the movement and it's something that it's against men but where were any of you

for that situation when it's something that like benefited a man? Right. But the associative law of sexual assault means that if therefore and then you put a negative

on that side of the equation and therefore none of this ever mattered. And then how many movies that they have and if they're really good and it's like but I like to quote this one. Right. That's right. And therefore, none of this ever mattered. And then how many movies that they have and if they're really good. Right. But I like to quote this one.

Right. That's true. That's an important thing to take into account. Michael Shannon. I think we need to talk about Michael Shannon. Oh, that video

where he puts all those pennies in his nose? No. It's just, it's, is that, I don't know about that video. There's a video on the internet

called Secret Talent Theater where they get different celebrities to do different things, and everyone has an actual, like, I can pogo stick. Or Dame Helen Mirren's like, I'm really good with a whip. Cracking a whip. And Michael Shannon's talent was he could fit a large amount of change in his nose. Hell yeah. But he's playing the piano while he's doing it,

but insisting that the talent is the change part. And he's getting full quarters into it, not just dimes and pennies, like big ass coins up there. He got like a laundry's worth of change in his nose. It was really impressive and kind of hot. We've been into him since we saw this picture of him just like sitting at a bar by himself in Chicago

in a puffer jacket, just like looking like the lonely kind of weird guy that nobody's talking to at the bar, drinking by himself. Just at the corner, yeah, just watching the Academy. Hey, man, aren't you in that movie? Yes, I was in a movie. It was during the Academy Awards.

Somebody took a picture of him just sitting there drinking, drinking up. You think these awards mean anything to me? Yeah. He was in Playboy recently because, you know, just talking to him, doing the interview like they do on there. Because, you know, people read it for the articles. And they were talking about, you know, he's got a knack for playing just really intriguing, villainous, evil, shitty dudes. And people were like, wow, you're good at that.

And then the topic of villains naturally led their way to Donald Trump. And then they started asking him if he would ever play Donald Trump. And he just, you know, we should have known that the guy who doesn't even give a fuck about the Academy Awards when he's in a film that's been nominated would have any kind of reverence for the office of the president. So in the interview, they ask him, there's no part of you that would want to play Donald Trump?

Michael Shannon. No. Just to get inside his head, you talked about being fascinated with bad men who are suffering. How do you mean? How is he suffering? You don't think Trump struggles with demons? He's having a blast. Are you fucking kidding me?

The guy is having so much fun. And there's no self-doubt or fear. He's having the time of his fucking life. He doesn't even have to work all the hard work that most people have. Anyway, he goes on to it, blah, blah, blah. There's just one really interesting line. They go, so Trump is where your capacity for empathy ends. What is there to be empathetic toward? Well, what do you think is going through his head at 4 a.m.? He's lying in bed and staring at the ceiling. He's probably

thinking, I want some fucking pussy. I don't know. I'm not going to remotely contemplate the notion that Trump is capable of deep reflection. In any form? In any form. Again, he just goes on. He's like, fuck that guy. Yeah, you know, Michael Shannon. Don't look for him to be in the biopic of Donald Trump. And I don't think Michael Shannon could even do a Donald Trump. That actually is outside of his range. Yeah, he's got a very specific, like, yeah, narrow angle that really works very well for him.

Except at an eight mile. Yeah. Yeah, he just has like- Super intense. Although he also played a stoner in Mud and was really good in that role. Yeah. But I think just his energy,

he just looks like a dude who's fighting back terrible hemorrhoid pain. Yeah. And just dealing with it and not skipping a day of work and just being like, yep, here we are. He's got the eyes of a man

that's led several unions. Right. Yeah. Probably the IBEW. I can see him being an electrical worker. Something malformed about him as a person.

I don't know. That's the vibe I get from Michael Shannon. He's a beautiful man. The building in Detroit that refuses to collapse. Right. It's Michael Shannon's face. It's Michael Shannon's face.

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And we want to talk about the Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh. Brett. Hopefully he won't actually be the Supreme Court nominee. We'll see. Brett. So Democrats are pointing to a couple things, a couple shady things from his past. And Republicans are like, oh, okay.

Come on. Yeah. Like, that's a big. Okay. Maybe that's true. But come on. But so there's the $250,000 in. 200, Jack, be fair.

$200,000. Only $200,000 in Nationals tickets. Jack, be fair. $200,000. Only $200,000 in Nationals tickets. $200,000 in Nationals tickets that he racked up and went into debt, I think, paying for them. Paid it off, though. He paid it off. He paid it off. But still, somehow, I don't know how you get to that number. Like took out a mortgage on Nationals tickets. It's a weird move. So there was also this time that he lied under oath. He was asked if he worked on this Judge Pickering's nomination during the Bush administration. And Pickering ended up being very unpopular because he pushed to reduce the sentence of a guy who literally burned a cross on somebody's lawn.

And people were like, oh, you're openly a racist. That's not good. So people were going back over how this guy got nominated because Bush, I guess, just went through and nominated him while Congress was on break. And so they were not happy with the nomination process. So they asked him what his role was. And he was basically like, no role, nothing. I didn't do anything. I don't know her. Yeah, basically gave an I don't know her. And it's been shown.

So now the documents are coming out because we're able to take a look at emails of people who are nominated for a position on the Supreme Court. And it's like he's all over the fucking place. He's basically the main go-to guy on all things Pickering he was like constantly emailing people being like hey can we get that op-ed written about how great Pickering is because we're getting a lot of shit over here

when a room was being reserved for a Pickering event it was Kavanaugh who was consulted when the White House press office needed materials about Pickering it was Kavanaugh who asked the Justice Department for the files and relayed them. When a senator's chief of staff was coming to the White House to discuss the nominee, it was Kavanaugh who planned the meeting with her. So it was like he was the main person. But he testified to the point, I don't really know this person. Yeah. I don't know.

It doesn't ring a bell. Yeah. And they were specifically asking about his involvement in that whole process. Ah, well, you know, are we surprised? He didn't know those emails were going to come out. Are we surprised, though? Are we really surprised that the guy who is basically being picked to just blow up the Mueller investigation is just is really good at saying whatever he needs to to achieve what he wants. And so the Republicans are acting like, oh, so this is some big deal.

And I get why they think that's going to be effective because it's him lying about his association with someone who did something bad at a time when the president is openly doing crimes and just telling people not to believe the truth the truth isn't truth isn't truth so it's not as spectacular as what we're getting from them elsewhere but it's still you know the the president's getting away with it because he's popular and Kavanaugh despite everybody being like, oh, he's overly qualified, is less popular than any nominee who's been approved in recent history. And this whole thing about him being one of the main arguments is he, if there's any kind of, if somehow the Mueller investigation, if it's contested and that reaches the Supreme

Court, he would be the justice who would be like, oh yeah, I don't think presidents need to fuck around with any kind of investigation because they're they're too important like he believes in like turning up presidential power to fucking like 300 basically right but he said oh you know when i was working the ken star investigation against then democratic president bill clinton i realized how bad that is and i don't feel that way anymore actually i've changed i have a change of heart and blah blah. And this whole change of heart thing is very disingenuous because now we've found out through Freedom of Information Act request, like this memo that came out during the Ken Starr investigation where he was going so hard at President Clinton.

Clearly frothing at the mouth. Oh, yeah. He's like, after reflecting this evening, I am strongly opposed to giving the president any quote unquote break in the questioning regarding the details of the Lewinsky relationship. Unless before his questioning Monday, he either one, resigns or two, confesses perjury and issues a public apology to you. And then in bold, he said he should be forced to account for all of that and to defend his actions. defend his actions. And then later on this memo,

he literally like lays out to Ken Starr like these very explicit questions that he feels that he should, like Ken Starr should ask the president. Frothing at the pants. Frothing at the crotch. Oh, I never want to hear about frothing at the pants again. Sorry, sorry. I apologize.

No, but it's like, it's all very graphic. He's like, if Monica Lewinsky says that you inserted a cigar into her vagina while you were in the Oval Office area, would she be lying? If Monica Lewinsky says you had phone a cigar into her vagina while you were in the Oval Office area, would she be lying? If Monica Lewinsky says you had phone sex with her on approximately 15 occasions, would she be lying? If Monica Lewinsky says that she gave you oral sex on nine occasions in the Oval Office area, would she be lying? If Monica Lewinsky says that you masturbated into a trash can in your secretary's office, would she be lying?

office would she be lying so he was really trying to air out as much of this scandal as possible when really this was about perjury and not being like hey can you admit to like fucking around like what specific did you did you not know garbage can that wasn't the point of that it was about the perjury aspect so like you kind of started seeing oh okay at the same time like this was happening he's also like within a like a year of this was saying like oh nixon got boned like he really shouldn't have had to hand over any tapes uh in regards to watergate and that fucked him so he's always been on this whole thing of like presidential power if you're republican right kind of thing if it's democrat oh guess what i'm gonna ask you all kinds of just messy shit. So we'll see what happens.

I mean, I know there's slowly, you know, the Democrats are trying to find a way to, you know, put their foot down and be like, we're not going to fuck this guy. We're not going to confirm him. Yeah. But then you have people like Jon Tester and other more vulnerable Democrats who are like, well, I met with him and he seems like a good guy. So it's, you know, you know we'll see where this goes where's Jon Tester from Montana yeah

and so he's worried about yeah I mean all those yeah you look at him Joe Manchin like a lot of these people they just have to when it comes down to you get into the

home stretch of an election then suddenly it's gotta be like I'm gonna have to pander so right how many people can I rile up yeah yeah I feel like then suddenly it's gotta be like, I'm gonna have to pander, so. Right, yeah. How many people can I rile up? Yeah, yeah.

I feel like, I don't know. I still feel like they shouldn't have to pander. The more we learn about these elections, the more it's like, just get, like you can just appeal to people who care about the issues. You don't have to play by these weird rules that were created by

center Democrats. I just want someone I can have a beer with. That's my main thing. And not someone who's hell-bent on rolling back marriage equality and reproductive rights. And letting

a president just shit all over the democracy. Whatever. Whatever. Look out the window. Oh, that's right. We're in hell. rights and letting a president just shit all over the democracy of whatever. Whatever. Whatever. Hey, look out the window. Oh, that's right. We're in hell.

He likes Springsteen. We could be friends. He should be fine. Hey, speaking of the fact that we're in hell, are your kids spending most of their time in an artificial reality called Fortnite? Yeah, they are. Yeah, probably. I wish my stepkids would talk to me, man.

Yeah, I know, man. I do all the dances from Fortnite with them, too, and they're like, you're embarrassing me, Miles. I'm like, call me Dad, kids. And then this guy's like, hey, get the fuck out of my garage. And I'm like, oh, sorry. My bad. Yeah, Fortnite, I was reading in Deadline

that porn stars are now turning to Fortnite and other video games as a brand like as a brand building exercise. Yeah. Which makes sense, like streaming. They're kind of streaming them playing the games, scantily clad. And, you know, you're actually, it makes sense because I think when you look at the Venn diagram of gamers and porn consumers, it's actually just one circle. Yeah. On top of itself.

Oh, no, that's always been the case. Yeah. On top of itself. Oh, no, that's always been the case. Like one of my first jobs in Los Angeles was writing the Twitter for a adult film actress to make her seem like more nerdy inclined than she actually was. Oh, really? So like like references and like April O'Neil and no. God, if I if I had like been paid April O'Neil money, sadly, no, no. This was a porn star that later came out as a big old Trump supporter. But this was before I left. But I would tweet little references and things, or she would go to conventions, and I would just basically be like, all right, this reference means this. Right.

I've made a career off of my voice, but not me. Right, right, right. Right. And that was one of the things that I got paid to do when I got here. And she'd refer me to other cam girls and adult film actresses to provide them with these dossiers of references and things they can drop in interviews. Oh, shit, yeah. To bring in the nerd boy market. That makes sense.

So as soon as I saw this, I'm like, yeah, duh. Yeah, because I think with porn, it's so like, as a kid, you're just like, what's on this website? And you don't really know the actors. I mean, like since the videotape era has ended where you're like, oh, I got this new Jenna Jameson tape. Like right now, it's almost like the market is so that you really got to set yourself apart. So if you're like playing video games, like, whoa, who's this? And in your mind, like, oh, she to set yourself apart. So if you're, like, playing video games, like, whoa, who's this? Yeah. And in your mind, like, I bet I should be hot naked. Hold on.

You can see this in this adult film I'm in, and you should purchase a membership to this website. Right, right. It's like this one knows deep cut anime references. You're like, man, she knows about Evangelion, dude. Like, she's sick. Dude, I fuck with that. But, like, you know, it makes sense because it makes sense because when you're doing adult films,

like athletes, you get paid a lot of money for a little bit of your time. So in your free time, just hop on that stream and start marketing. What are some other examples, Vanessa? Can you talk about other examples

of having to create? Well, no, personally. You don't have to get messy. Put your voice in other people's mouths or even if it's not yours specifically like being in the industry like what are some examples of people who need help in that department well there's like the porn stars and cam girls for like nerdier references or there was some where i'd basically like go to conventions and stuff like that and they would do person on the street things

and I would feed them lines and questioning based on who they were talking to. I've had different gigs where it's someone that has to, they're a host or something and they have to say something funny and I'll essentially feed them lines. It's been a lot of that character in a movie where they whisper who someone is to the president

in their ear, but for comedy and pop culture based things. This is Shinzo Abe, Prime Minister of Japan. Hello, his wife, she just had a child. And is the child good for him? There was one where it was this person interviewing Lou Ferrigno and basically was just kind of like just a walking in an earpiece, just kind of like,

all right, make this stupid Hulk pun. And he can't hear, he's like, what did you say? And you're like, what was the line again? But the Twitter one was the wackiest one. I'm sure. What was like the most popular tweet you ever did

that was nerd culture-y and people were like, whoa. Or what was like the most popular tweet you ever did that was nerd culturey and people like whoa or what was like a what was like a good solid reference that you gave everybody that could give them that quick nerd crit i don't want to like say the exact tweet directly but i'll say what it was in reference to and i basically noticed that this one adult film actress's clip with a fucking machine looked just like in neon Genesis when that capsule injects into the Ava. Right. Uh,

so I like posted like a side by side image of it and it blew up. Oh man. She gets it. That's amazing. So yeah, guys do your due diligence and pull those nerd cards. Well, presumably it's not just porn stars who have account writers, right?

Like, I'm sure everyone does. Oh, God. I know so many other people that have done it for celebrities, for late night show accounts, for any kind of public media person. Right. Like, I fell into that one just because by word of mouth, they'd recommend me to other people. But I know a lot of people that would do it for Food Network TV chefs to make them look

charming and quirky or actors that had been in kind of one thing, but then they developed a really popular Twitter following because they were really quippy. I've known a lot of other writers that write for people to make them seem very clever and pop culture smart. Man, that'd be the next. We seem very clever and pop culture smart. Man, that'd be the next, we should do a fucking investigation. Seriously, though, because- Fake at Twitter ghost writers.

I do think that's important for people to know because I think a lot of the times, we're comparing ourselves to unrealistic. Yeah. We're like, wow, how do they have time to have a full-time movie career and TV show career and just be hilarious like 20 times a day?

It's like, well, they have a writing staff. Yeah. Alright, well, if you have information, hit us up on Daily Zeitgeist Investigates. Hell yeah. Hashtag DZ Investigates. Let's talk about Mike Cernovich. Let's talk about Mike Cernovich because

this man, if you don't know who Mike Cernovich is,'s talk about mike cernovich let's talk about mike cernovich because this man if you don't know who mike cernovich is we talk about him on occasion yeah he's a piece of alt-right trash you know he perpetuated the whole pizzagate conspiracy that was all him uh you know what else he loves uh he has some really interesting takes on uh rape uh he's just a very very awful right-wing troll and conspiracy theorist. I mean, he's said things like, I went from libertarian to alt-right after realizing tolerance only went one way, and diversity is code for white genocide.

So, this gives you an idea of who this man is, if you didn't know. And his one move is if you doubt him, if you say anything negative about him, he will call you a pedophile. Yes. That is his immediate move.

Yep. So. Yeah. And okay, so he's a human piece of garbage and we found out that there is this woman who's running for Jeff Flake's

open Senate seat because he's retiring because he, I don't know, figured out how bad of a look it is to be a Republican. Yeah, thank you. Uh-oh.

Hey, do you want to write my Twitter? Let's talk after this. I'll give you to write my twitter thank you we find out that he is going to be doing a bus tour with dr kelly ward who is in this three horse race to get the nomination the gop nomination going to the midterms but he this group is really wacky it's it's her joe arpaio mr prison camps and uh martha mSally. Martha McSally is probably going to win it. She's like ahead by 20 points over these other two. But this woman, Kelly Ward, she is thirsty for some votes, which is why she's probably teaming up with Mike Cernovich.

So this is her on MSNBC where she's getting pressed a little bit. They're like, wait, so what's up with you and Mike Cernovich? And this is just an interesting interaction where she's getting pressed a little bit. They're like, wait, so what's up with you and Mike Cernovich? And this is just an interesting interaction where she's either pretending she doesn't know who Mike Cernovich is or straight up is fully ignorant about what the alt-right is. Do you think that the Republican Party should embrace the so-called alt-right? You know, I think that the Republican Party and the people of the United States should embrace making America great again. And the way we do that is — That's not what I asked, though.

That's the president's campaign slogan. I'm asking about the alt-right. I mean, the alt-right, the alt-left, the radical left, the radical right, I think that we should be embracing — They're not the same thing. I'm talking specifically about the alt-right. I'm not a part of the alt-right. I don't really know what you're asking.

Give me something specific, and I can answer your question. You have an alt-right figure accompanying you on the statewide bus tour. That's what I'm not a part of the alt-right. I don't really know what you're asking. Give me something specific and I can answer your question. You have an alt-right figure accompanying you on the statewide bus tour. I have someone that you're calling an alt-right figure. Please explain to me what you feel the alt-right is and then I can answer your question. I'm glad you, Casey. The alt-right has been generally described to encompass a variety of elements that include people who sometimes espouse views of white nationalism potentially white supremacy it is an umbrella term that covers many of these various lines of thinking and I'm wondering if that represents your

campaign I think that that's a ridiculous statement my campaign represents faith so do you have one I'm Cernovich on your bus tour? I mean, Mike Cernovich has an audience that we want to reach. Oh, there it is. You're not supposed to say that. Liberals, Democrats, people of all ilks. And so if he's coming on the bus tour, I think that he'll have a voice and he'll have something that he wants to say. Liberals and Democrats love Mike Cernovich. Oh, yeah.

I'm frothing at the pants to hear what he's saying about fucking Pizzagate or whatever. Look, MSNBC stands for Mainstream News Bullshit and Communism. Oh, hell yeah. Wow. Yeah. All right, Mike. That's right, bro. Yeah, shout out to Casey Hunt for being like, no, that's not the question I asked.

Right. Is this Trent? And, you know, I- She really, like, left the hammer for the end. She was like, so you don't want to have Mike Cernovich on your list then. And I think Kelly Ward gave it up when she was like, he has an audience we're trying to reach, which is the really violent alt-right. The very specific brand of conservatives that you probably don't want. Yeah, we know what politics is.

We don't think you should be doing it. I like how she just goes, I don't know what you mean by alt-right. You know what I mean? That's where I was like, are you just doing the, you know, the I don't know her to just kind of get out of the situation? Well, but she came in with her chin out. She was like, you know, I don't know. Why don't you explain to me?

And it's just like, well, you know what she's gonna say, right? Like, don't you know who Mike Sarnovich is? Or you're in such a bubble, right, where you don't understand what that looks like outside of just being a conservative. Where you're like, well, what do you mean? And they're like, explain it so I can debunk that. But it's like, that's not, you don't want to be with this. I found it so funny that she started with the I don't know her defense. And then she went to that thing you do when somebody's like, hey, you know this X movie?

And you're like, yeah, of course I know it. But can you explain it to me so that I know that you know what I know? With the just like, oh, of course I know what they. But why don't you tell me what your definition of it is? So we have the same one. Yeah. I just thought they were like Republicans on the Internet. Right.

Oh, really? I just thought it was Republicans that discovered pomade. Vanessa, it's been a pleasure having you. It's been a pleasure being here. Where can people find you? You can find me on the Brew Ha Ha podcast. You can find me on my website, vanessagritten.com,

and on at Ness Gritten on Twitter. All right. And is there a tweet that you've been enjoying lately that you want to share with our listeners? Of mine or of... Anyone's. Yours. Anyone's. Someone else's. Is it a tweet that you've been enjoying lately that you want to share with our listeners? Of mine or of anyone's? Yours? Someone else's?

Is it a tweet? I don't know. Of mine, probably my tweet about Carrie Bradshaw and an analingus. On the internet, it's just a video of Ariana Grande petting a dog weird. She pets it really hard. Like she doesn't know how to pet dogs?

I'm going to show you after. It looks like she doesn't know how to pet dogs? I'm going to show you after. It looks like she doesn't know how to pet a dog. She keeps getting thumb in the eye and just going head on, hand forward on its face. It's my favorite thing. Wow. So Ariana Grande doesn't know how to pet dogs. I am robot. You are dog.

That is my Ariana Grande impression. And you're welcome. You are dog. Miles. Yes? Where can people find you? Oh, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. And a tweet I like comes from Dan Rather,

which is more about kind of the world we live in right now with Manafort's trial about to wrap up and Mike Cohen, you know, getting some, having his own problems with some $20 million worth of loans. He writes, this is from at Dan Rather, both parties need to get serious about vigilantly prosecuting, quote unquote, white collar crime. Those caught in the Mueller probe prove that if nothing else. And while we're at it, let's retire the trivializing euphemism, white collar crime a felony is a felony and a criminal is a criminal which is very funny because like when you look at the crimes of paul manafort

it's like y'all are selectively enforcing the law because you just want to enforce these like rich white people crimes but every person who's smoking a blunt on the street you know is getting locked up they need to go away for a long time. So yeah, let's fucking, you know, probably stand to get some money back too if you prosecute these white collar crimes. This criminality will not stand. A couple tweets I've been enjoying. Dana Gould, just a classic tweet. How many weeks away are we from Rudy Giuliani going on TV just to fart in a kid's pool and

shout at the bubbles? And then Newsweek tweeted, Bill Maher defended Alex Jones on Friday saying, I don't like Alex Jones, but Alex Jones gets to speak. And Paul F. Tompkins said, Weird for this guy to defend the idea of saying any old bullshit to get attention. You can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist

on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information in today's episode. We also do that in the description of the episode on

whatever platform you're using. Apple Podcasts, Stitcher stitcher whatever just click on the more information and the footnotes should be there we also link off to the song that we write out on miles what's that gonna be i think we need to go just really loving this marlo album which is a collaboration between the producer larange and uh North Cackalacka MC, what's his name? Solomon Brigham. Yes. And they call themselves Marlo.

And they are just doing this old school, you know, what we like to call like golden era hip hop style of hip hop. Just real sample based hip hop. This track is called Lost Arts by Marlo. It's just a, I mean, my goodness. It's like nostalgia. And I couldn't believe this is an album being made now. And I love it. So you will love it too.

We do like nostalgic rap music, don't we, Miles? Yes, we do. We even talked about it, I think. On a podcast called Guilty Pleasure, which is out today. So check that out. So go check that shit out. You can hear Jack and I talk about the golden era of hip-hop. Indeed.

Our specific definition. Yeah. Our very rigid definition. I don't think it even is necessarily the same. It's a very highly debated era. Yeah. But I like to say from, for me, it's 93 to 99-ish. Whatever.

It's up to you. Anyways, we're going to ride out on our guilty pleasure. We will be back tomorrow with another episode of the podcast. Talk to you guys then. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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