The Daily Zeitgeist - Billionaire’s Hurt Feelings = Lawsuit, CEO Mimicry 01.23.23

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

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Oh, whoa. Good day. Yeah. Good day to you, sir. 23, 23, yes. And a good date to you as well. Thank you so much. I will take these measurable dates and eat them happily. But today's date is also National Handwriting Day and National Pie Day, like P-I-E. We know pie days, if you're mathematics, that's March 14th. But we're talking about P-I-E, pie today.

They should have combined those. Just a note to big pie, to big P-I-E. you should combine it with the other one. Hop on it. That's like when I feel like all the engineer math nerds I knew were like, they had pie parties. It's like, come over for pie day. I've made a selection of pies. They kind of go hand in hand. That is how they talk, too. You handwrite, Jack? Do I handwrite?

You doing some handwriting? I got a handwriting. I've got some of that. Yeah. I do a lot of handwriting, got some of that. Yeah. What's the longest? I do a lot of handwriting, actually, of weight. Oh, you do? Yeah.

Okay, yeah. A little free handwriting just to get the mind working in the morning, you know? Oh, shit. No, I've been writing thank you cards, you know, for people getting us baby gifts and stuff. So I've been doing, like, so much handwriting that I'm like, oh, I missed this. I feel like I'm back in school having to do an essay in handwriting. I must report to Zeitgang as a recipient of one of said thank you notes. Miles has beautiful handwriting. Yeah, baby. Cool looking handwriting. It's all block letters.

The best. Imagine what you think Miles's handwriting's like it's it's the best interpretation it's not like frilly or anything it's just like when when the man puts the pen somewhere he meant to yeah you know you can i think any like writing and that like analyst would be like you are putting a lot of pressure on that pen like i'm digging deep with that thing but anyway yeah yeah no there's a lot of tension there yeah yeah, that was the other thing we remarked on. Good handwriting and oh boy, there's a lot going on there. Oh, relax, sir. Yeah. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Potatoes O'Brien, a.k.a. Perturters O'Brien. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Oh, my goodness. Yes, it's me. Because my artwork is in La Reina Sofia and the El Prado. Call me Salvador Daddy.

Hey, eventually. Not quite yet. But, yes, that will probably be a new nickname soon. Shout out to Cristiano Cucime for that wonderful. He must have known I was in España over the summer, which I did take in some wonderful works by goya and dolly of course and of course picasso as well miles enough beating around we were thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hilarious staff enough with the shit

you being an impending father or whatever you've seen some seen some art? We got a heater today. Yeah. Hilarious stand-up comedian, comedy writer, actor, fashion icon. Yeah. Whose shirts are available at Guarantee Shirts. Yeah. One of our all-time favorite TDZ guests. One of y'all's favorite TDZ guests.

The brilliant, the raw, the major, Caitlin Gill! Caitlin Gill! This is me hugging the Zeitgang. I hope you can all feel it. Everybody just got a consensual hug. Only those who want one, if you're not into that, you're being touched. Most of us are huggers.

You're fine. Most of you are probably. I feel like it's a huggy crowd. Also, I knew, Miles, that you had excellent handwriting. I knew it. I felt it in my bones that your handwriting was cultivated and exquisite. I am pleased to hear bones that your handwriting was cultivated and exquisite. Yeah, thank you.

I am pleased to hear that that was correct. Hi, what wonderful praise. It is a pleasure as always to join you in your lovely third seat. Thank you. It's wonderful to have you here. What's your handwriting looking like? Fast. It is hurried.

My handwriting looks like I am thinking about the next sentence already and would like to get it on the page, please. Do you have like hybrid cursive printing handwriting? Because you know how people like when I hear people who write fast, I always envision like that hybrid cursive while also printing. Is that you? Yeah, it's a little a lot of letters I've just trained to run together in something like normal. They're not the shape of a cursive letter, but I'm not lifting a pencil. Who's got the time? Right, right, right.

I'm busy. You got to. I will show you a to-do list that has my handwriting on it. Yeah. I was just taking notes about what a guest needs to know on this stained book. And I feel like even backwards, you know that that's exactly what it would look like yeah I will have you know this is a to-do list that I discovered while cleaning out my closet from over I think probably two years ago I've accomplished half of the things on this

you didn't specify what if people were like like climbing multiple mountains? But one of the items on the to-do list is just Havana Syndrome. Get to the bottom of. How high on the list is that, can I ask? How long have you been writing a list before you were like, I know what I got to get on here. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. It's the 10th item. Havana Syndrome.

Just enough said, future self. You know what this means. Oh, shit. It's like shitty memento. It's like, what? What? Havana Syndrome? Yeah, man.

Figure it out. Figure it out. Solve the JFK assassination. Havana Syndrome. What else you got a climate change area 51 one of my favorite jokes in the world sean keen wrote himself so he would remember it because he knew he was not in a state to remember it when it occurred to him at the time and it is a list of soy cheese names that make me laugh. Like, like a shot,

like I hear that. I've heard that. I request that joke. Anytime I can make Sean Keane do it for me. And if next time you talk to comedian Sean Keane, I, or listen to him, I highly encourage that you shout out soy,

soy cheeses. I will just cite my favorite Monterey John. I swear it's the best thing I've ever heard. Monterey John. But that it's the best thing I've ever heard! Monterey John! I love that. But that was in a note he left himself and discovered. The meaning of which I'm so thankful he retained.

Can you imagine just opening your phone to see the phrase Monterey John and having no frame of reference? What were you thinking? Why has this been written? What past self decided that that was a necessary note? I remain ever thankful that Sean held on to just enough shreds of that memory to put together one of my favorite pieces of stand-up material of all time.

It also relies on a knowledge that Jack is a nickname for John, which the majority of the United States does not have. I will have you know, as somebody who is a born John who goes by Jack. Most people are like, why the hell do you do that? That's strange. Because you can. I'm a Catherine derivative. I can go so many ways. I hate Katie.

That's right. I just can't stop starting with cats, but all the Kate ones are allowed too. Somehow I feel like Courtney sneaks in. I can just do it if I wanted. Why not? If you're feeling sassy.

I'm bad. I'm Courtney now. And Miles, you just have a cool name. So you're like, yeah, I'm good. Oh, Miles, I would coach that. I think I've said it before. I always wanted to be DJ in the 90s. Oh, God.

Yeah. I was like, why aren't I DJing? You precious man. That felt like the sickest name. And I remember, I was like, why aren't I DJing? That felt like the sickest name. And I remember, I was like, yo, this name is fucking bullshit. Why can't that be DJ Tanner? Yeah. There's another kid.

This dude in my school. That is such a 90s thing. Oh, yeah. This one kid, DJ, was like the coolest kid in my grade. Like, at the time, they're like, oh, she's surfing and shit. Like, he's like, you know, he's like a good surfer when we were like 10 you know what i mean so he was killing it now he's like a like a storied lifeguard in oahu like he he never strayed from his like beach path as a human being now he's like this is what i'm good at once a dj always a dj that's a game you have to swing in too hard yeah exactly you can't back down from your choices as a dj exactly in a way i'm glad i

did not i did not pursue that name switch and i stayed with miles and that led me towards them that kept me on my musical path so yeah okay yeah very well dj could have kept you on a very different musical it would have been too on the nose i feel like yeah you know and here's dj dj like no come on that's something I've been thinking about. I personally love it, but that's not a great indicator of its quality or success. Trolley DJ names now are like the best. Like there's a guy named Trillbo Swaggins who I've seen on bills in like LA. DJ Yambayobi is another one I love.

Like those are just funny. Like I would lean into that. But yeah, as a kid like i remember i was djing under the name prime yeah with a one with a one for the eye okay no fucking around that was also my mc on this side what a time to be alive truly the early 90s i have a long thing i want to talk about that we don't have time for about the name Michael in the late 80s, early 90s and why it was having such a run. I don't have any answers. It was a thing.

When I was in college, we had to have multiple mics. There was moccasin mic, second floor mic. There was tall mic. There was short mic. We had to delineate the mics. They all got a prefix handle. And also the three most famous humans in America were all named Mike. And then the Ninja Turtles came along and the coolest Ninja Turtle was

Michelangelo. It's why. And then since then, no, like not a lot of cool mics. Got Mike Pence. This is a standup bit. I'm working out.

Yeah. Yeah. Go on. Go off. All right. What's fun about that is you're guaranteed to have a mic in every audience yeah get ready have put plenty in your pocket for that hey i'm a cool mic you get on stage hey so where's mike at your name's mike raise your hand right now all right mike the

fuck out of here all right kayla we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. Google laid off 12,000 people. Their stock price went up, of course. So we're going to talk about that and how the real theory on why corporations, why all these tech corporations are firing everyone, just like firing, cutting so many jobs is because they like the other one did it and they're like well if they did it we we should do it so we'll talk about that we'll talk about how billionaires are coping with people telling the truth about them namely suing them we'll talk about state houses coming up with just the dumbest, most fucked up ways to oppress non-heterosexual people, all of that, plenty more. But first, Caitlin, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Oh, okay. Two part answer. One very quick and brutally honest cabinet suspension rails. Guess who's in the middle of putting up new kitchen cabinets or planning the process of doing so so yeah i can't tell you that

the search results are exciting but there are a lot of them they're quite informative so if you if you're with me in the journey uh i chose the suspension rail system you echo into just a chamber of nothing what lonely journey what is this when you're doing when you're googling that are you finding like youtube video that shows you how to do it that you're like speed scrubbing through what's what's your process i was looking specifically is because i was trying to be cheap and buy cabinets that didn't include a suspension rail system so that i did the thing where i was like well can i buy something to add to that cabinet and i was like now it's an expensive cabinet.

You can just get one that has a suspension rail. See how you did the thing? So, yeah, that was the path that I've been chasing down. The fun one, though, is that for Sundance Film Festival, it's happening now big time in my house. Half the house works for the fest and is there in Park City now. And quite often the category, you know, online, there's a big breakdown of like what's playing and what's going on. And many years, the international shorts tab is not the most clicked upon tab. There are certainly competitions or movies that get more interest than that particular slice of the festival. But this year, because of

alphabetical coincidence, I think it just worked out right. Truly. It was just supposed to be this way. It's not that they picked this person out, although who knows, but right now for the international shorts at Sundance, the picture promoting it is of Jennifer Connelly. And I got to tell you, it's peaking, it's peaking stat.

It's, it's crushing stats. Folks are smashing to see what's going on with international shorts at Sundance. and I give credit to the face of Jennifer Connelly, which will move mice all over the world, as it turns out. Everybody wants to know what she's up to.

Congrats to those at Sundance. I was in love with her. Yeah, I mean... Rocketeer? I'm glad that international shorts is getting some shine. Credit be to Jennifer Connelly or not. All high-quality films that deserve a view. Right.

And if it's that face that gets in there, well done. Oh, that's fun. So you are involved in Sundance? Or your partner is involved in Sundance? Oh, the sweet lady of the house, yeah. Oh, okay. Got it. For a few years, been with the festival in various capacities. So always fun to watch it grow and happen and and pick up cool stuff and yeah that's that's cool

any any news on what's coming other than jennifer connelly's face for all us foreign short film fans um i wish that i had clicked beyond it i like the rest of the general public was intrigued by jennifer connelly and literally googled sundance international shorts jennifer connelly so if you've done the same welcome to that elite club there you go yeah i do hear a lot about programming which means i can't remember what's actually happening and what is just discussed but it is an honor to just be discussed yes so what is something you think is overrated oh shit uh wait

no there was one and they were both food related can i do can i do underrated first yes can you allow it because i remember it sorry i had to wait for a uh ruling from our judge but yes yes allow it allow it fam allow i appreciate this grace.

I wrote down the word overrated instead of writing down the thing that I think is overrated. So when I tell you that my handwriting is in a hurry, maybe what's overrated is rushing. See how we rescue this situation? There it is.

Overrated is not taking your time. Yeah. Seems like I was getting there faster to write down my underrated but you know what i did then was just wrote down the word underrated the word which i'm just very lucky that i happen to remember because i decided on my underrated very quickly and unshuffled a few through a few overrated now which none of none of which i can remember so don't rush rushing is deeply overrated what is underrated celery celery celery baby okay tell me more i gotta agree are we saying give a big second on this are we saying beyond our understandings as just like a easy dipping vegetable and something for

the kids and then obviously vital to like you know your mirepoix or like other you know it's kind of foundational to your cooking tell me we are in soup season yeah you did it here in this hemisphere if your fridge is not stocked with some celery you are missing out on a key component of making soup season a huge success yeah okay plus i didn't know this this is mainly garnered from an episode of america's test kitchens so go back and look up what they had to say about celery but for a long time it was kind of the only green thing going in the winter celery was like a big deal on the holiday table because everything else was like stuffing turkey brown you know delicious right

brown so interesting there were special dishes to hold celery. It was a thing. Yeah, because celery's in a lot of the holiday dishes. Like, just kind of thrown in. Yeah, the stuffing. Chunks of celery in there. You look at an old Titanic menu or something and it'll be like, celery served seven

ways. And you're like, why? Because people would have been like, oh, seven ways. Seven! Creamed!amed so yeah it was a champion vegetable i think it's unsung now i i heard the mention as a kid snack and it is a delicious kid snack but groans don't sleep yeah the celery is delicious it will serve you well i love a i love a celery yeah i rely on ants on a log more than I should as a parent, you know, to get my kids to eat some calories when they're like not wanting to eat whatever thing I made badly for them. Oh, but we never as adults find ourselves in that situation. Right. Never have we ever gone through a day lacking calories or energy because we didn't do something simple like

wolf down some celery with peanut butter smudged on it well so I do I do that now I also make myself ants on a log and my only complaint with ants on a log is it takes an entire like bushel of celery for me to feel satisfied it's like oh yeah I didn't say it's the only thing you should yeah yeah yeah, yeah. I said it's underrated, not that it should be your... It's a big assist. Wasn't there like some myth, or I don't know if it's true, but people were like, it's the one food that you eat that's like a net negative calorically.

I feel like iceberg lettuce is also on this list of things in the 90s they told me to eat in 17 magazine. Yeah, when they're like, hi, we're not going to promote eating disorders in the traditional way.'ll just see the seed the ground with these subtle things like hey what about this you know what if you ate celery and nothing else yeah uh but yeah celery i mean yeah to your point like i remember when i would eat it like i would eat my mom would make french onion dip sometimes and i would eat it with celery would eat my mom would make french onion dip sometimes and i would eat it with celery and she used to be like stop eating half the goddamn tub with every

bite of sun like it's the only way i could feel it i'm like i was using it as like a spoon basically i gotta make up for these net negative calories from the celery by offsetting them with net positive from the French onion dip, Mom. Building my case that it is underrated. What an excellent conveyance. It adds crunch. It adds crisp. Yeah. It has flavor, but it's like chill. It's not loud.

It's nature's Tostitos scoops. Oh, see? Nature's Fritos is Fritos. Fritos have three ingredients. Don't forget that Fritos is a perfect food. I don't have to tell you that's underrated. Fritos should already be corn, corn oil, salt, salt. It's a, it's an, oh, is that really it? Yeah. That's impressive. And two of them are corn based. How about that? One is salt. It's really good. Hell yeah. What is a, what's something you think is overrated? Oh, well, rushing. Oh, rushing. We already did rushing.

It's going too fast to remember what you thought about before and then writing down the word overrated instead of writing down the thing. That you thought was overrated. Take time with a well-executed mug lift. Gets you out of it. Oh, that mug is actually also a good

mug to lift into frame because that's a beautiful mug. Oh, thank you. Is also a good mug to lift into frame because that's a beautiful mug. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Is that something you're making? No. I live in a place now, so when I have to get things, I get the things that I think are good. I've lived for a long time like, well, this could be possibly disposed of in a year entirely by accident as I relocate to a new zip code for about 10 times. But now I'm a bit more deliberate in my choices, hence cabinet suspension rails.

Right, exactly. You got a Yeti? Is that what you're sipping on right now? Yeah, that's a nice mug as well, Jack. I think you brought that back. That's a buy it for life. You're never going to lose it. I got the Rocky Mountain Tumbler. Oh, heck yes, you do.

I bought it at CVS because it could fit 32 ounces and i was going to a hotel pool party where i had to sneak in alcohol thank you so much you just walked up sipping on a giant tumbler and they're like no question sir i said it was water oh yeah you know what i mean because i guess like that that is a thing that's the thing yeah because especially look when you say like a hotel and then they're like, yeah, and then we have like a poolside bar and like the drinks are $7,000 motherfucker. Get your Rocky mountain Tumblr on and then go to the room as you need to, you know?

Yeah. I don't want to put my parents on blast, but when you go on a cruise, booze can be very expensive. So can checking luggage. So they had essentially, they just wore seven days worth of clothes and checked the luggage full of booze to get on their cruise. That's impressive. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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Google announced that they're laying off 12 000 people which is about six percent of their global workforce and first of all the market was immediately like thumbs up no notes great job and their stock price went up because that is the perverse system of incentives that we live within. And that, of course, makes the people making the decision to fire people instantly way richer when the stock price goes up because that's where most of their net worth is tied up, or a lot of it at least.

But this is just the latest round of layoffs for tech workers. The other day Microsoft announced they were cutting 10,000 jobs. Shortly before that, Amazon announced massive layoffs. And Google claims that their explanation is, we just hired a bunch of people during the pandemic, and now we're in a different economic reality, which... Oh, a better one? It's always just them announcing that the financial outlook is bad and then laying off people. Because remember, during COVID, everybody was like, it's an economic apocalypse. And now they're looking back at that as the good old days? Well, because it got paid for.

Because the money just bled out. Tracking where that went will be an amusing job for some finance students in the future. But it is. Yeah, I bet that was the wild old days. You could send in a piece of paper and all of a sudden a bunch of money showed up

and then you sent in another one. And I guess it was like there was on a corporate level, it seemed like there was a giddiness about what was possible. Like we can just fire everybody. We don't have to have offices anymore. Our stock is stable, but nothing else in the economy.

Like, what is happening? I don't know. Unreplicatable. I don't know that it was. Corporate entities are, like, alive. They live forever. But they can't. I don't know that the virus affected them like it did human people.

They were like, they've weakened. It's time for us to get stronger and exactly yeah oh no terminator was worried about the wrong ai it's corporations that are becoming oh for sure i've been saying that like capitalism capitalism and corporations are the singularity like they're the unkillable thing that is like ingesting all of the minds and intelligence and just using that to kill any challenger but yeah massive corporations yearning for the good old days of the covet outbreak when all we heard about during the outbreak was how fucked the economy was is kind of a weird look and people who speak the language of these people say it's like still a bad move like it doesn't make sense to fire this many people because you like a lot of times you're

firing people who you just spent a bunch of money to like recruit and hire right they say it's like buying high and selling low on your labor because you like really like spend a lot to like recruit people bring them in and then have like attractive packages to even get them to sign and stuff like that yeah and then because of like a temporary economic condition you fire them and then when things pick up again in 12 months you are going to be spending a lot of money like trying to get that same quality or even sometimes those same employees back on your the insanity of the amount of money companies will spend to pay humans less money right out of control it's in them i mean the same arguments get it like housing the same thing. The amount of money we spend to keep people homeless is wild.

Yeah. Wild. It would be so much cheaper by every measure to just put people inside in like safe, nice place. What are you trying to say? That it costs three times more in Los Angeles to deal with an unhoused person than if we spent the money to find a way to get them in permanent housing, which is one third of that. And then more to jail them for being unhoused on top of that when we're just putting them inside for the profit of someone. Yeah. I mean, putting them inside, it's a statement I probably could have shaped more

gracefully as these are people, but it is a done for, uh, done for effect. I assure you it is a, yeah. One of those, well, silly conundrums about capitalism that like you need society. It's why economic economic systems don't work in a vacuum because they're endless. They have no boundaries. They keep expanding, but we live on like a planet. Right. That's fine. You might know I do astronomy tours tonight. Maybe we've talked about that. I live in Joshua Tree now. I go out into the park with telescopes and I talk about space. So I think about this kind of stuff all the time. Like it's one planet. It is so very small. We have a boundary amount of resources as much as Elon Musk might want to grab an asteroid full of gold. That is not a likely

outcome for us and permanent resource development. It very cool we can make oxygen on other planetary environments but it's not like a sustainable model for life yeah so the expansion of capitalism being limitless is one of those things it's very foolish and then you need a society decide like when profit doesn't win like like with housing like with yeah it's it's yeah there's a pickle just like on the broad scale thing like there's that statement by william shatner where he like went to space and was like and i looked back and i realized like space is bad out there there's nothing out there for us and like the earth is this amazing beautiful thing thing, which I, I was like, man, that's a really good point that he just made. And like, I wish I, I don't know. He said, he basically said, you don't, you don't want to be out here.

Right. He said out here is different. Appreciate what you got right now. The Del Curry thread. Yeah. Don't, don't start thinking about out here. Because it is a deep. Space is incredible.

It is inhospitable to every way we have adapted as biology. Space isn't bad. We are just programmed to live in a certain type of environment. And space is different from that environment. We don't think about the fact that the atmosphere is like gas. We live in stew. We live in super rich, gassy goodness. And space just isn't like that. Our bodies are designed for a certain amount of gravity. Space just has like different. It's just different, but we're not going to do great there. So yeah, the inherent constraints are one thing, but then

this like spinning off of costs is just madness, and it happens within capitalist environments themselves, where they get fixated on a number. The Pennywise-Planfulish game where labor costs money, so paying less in labor means we make more money. But that is a ridiculous...

It's so provably false, and it repeats itself so often that you'd think we'll have learned the lesson from history,, it's so provably false. And it repeats itself so often that you'd think we'll have learned the lesson from history because it's like the eternal history of humans working for other humans has this balance of like a seesaw tipping back and forth where labor is oppressed, labor fights back,

labor is oppressed, labor fights back. That wheel has been turning. It's turning right now. But like tech is an important place because tech is how we're talking to each other right now. It's how people communicate among the rest of the trade. That's important labor. Those are important people with important skills that need to be helping us thrive. But that backwards thinking that we can pay people less to make more doesn't work.

It doesn't work. make more doesn't work. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work. On the shareholder call they're going to be like, well what's the fucking deal because these other companies are axing people. Why aren't you guys thinning out the books? Hire them. Hire them all. Hire them now. Hire them and pay them so they don't leave.

Hire yourself 36,000 incredible employees and make your company incredible. Which is so funny. Give them the money. Yeah. And watch your stock price go down a little bit and realize like my day to day stock price is not like a way to run the fucking company.

Like that's. Or not. Yeah. If your plan is to eat the company alive and leave, that's one thing. But what if your stock goes on because that company is alive? It is going to live on too. Yeah. What if it kept making money

past the three years that you pull the plug on it, drain it and kill it? What if it actually over 30 years would give you so much more money that it's such as death? See how it doesn't work? I'll take the money up front right now.

I'm going to take the money up front right now. I'll take the money right now. I don't care about 30 years. I care about right now. I'd give it all away money up front right now. I'll take the money right now. I don't care about 30 years. I care about right now. I'd give it all away for just a little more. Right. That's right. And so there is a Stanford business professor who said back in December that the real reason behind all these tech layoffs that, you know, that was before a lot of the ones we're talking about, but they had started.

And he was like, watch this. They're all going to do this because everyone else is doing it. And that is how CEO brains work. That's how like the powers that be like us. It's it's a bad decision. They're going to like, you know, severance packages cost them money. Their unemployment insurance rates increase. Productivity drops due to low workplace morale. They're going to when the economy picks back up like go spend a bunch trying to rehire these same employees but tech companies are responding to the market only basically and they're just it it's so basic and just like they engage in imitative behavior because it's like a big fucking social circle where like social contagion is like, yeah, well, I don't want I don't want people to be like, why didn't you do that? He did that so that I have to do it to like hedge my bets.

That's how you get everyone in fleece vests. basically that's how you get everyone in fleece vests that's how you get the entire city of san francisco in the same navy blue fleece with a blue collar shirt underneath and leather boat shoes leather boat shoes but i mean it's wild because again like to your point right like when lula took office in brazil when he was like yeah man we're gonna tackle inequality and people starving and the market's fucking sick because he said yeah because he articulates that which again everything is just about the whole thing which is ignore your human impulse to have empathy and to take care of a problem because at the end of the day we're all just becoming subservient to again the shareholder value the stock price and again it's like this this only leads to the fucking just you know consumption of every

resource that we have and then like emptying out our pockets and be like is the jet here yet is the rocket here yet and it won't be yeah that's why i brought up the shatter thing is because like the long game is like that i feel like that statement was profound and it also made me realize like they were like he's suffering from a thing lots of astronauts like come back from space with where they're just like oh my god it's so bad up there you guys we need to like fix all the problems on earth we have it completely backwards but you never hear about that shit because again the whole thing is this vast like hive intelligence of capitalism that is only telling you the thing that is going to accelerate consumption and like create this overall narrative where we have to get

off the planet and create more, more worlds to consume. Right. Essentially. It's, it's like being inconvenienced that like your roof has like a leak in it and you start building another house and you're like, wait, what are you doing? You're like, well, my, my other house has a leak in the roof and I don't want to fix it. So I'm just building that second house is so good for the economy.

You don't understand. Think of the amount of people you're going to employ by building another house. Thank you. But again, why not tackle the issue of the faulty roof, which is doable, rather than being like, no, fuck it. We're going all in on getting the fuck out of this house and building another one next door. Which will never leave. Yeah. What are you fucking talking about? the fuck out of this house and building another one next door. Like, which will never leave. Yeah. Like,

what are you fucking talking about? It's like, just, just take the fucking time to fix it. It's manageable, but it just takes a different way of thinking around. They're like, well,

if I do that, then there's like, I just solve it right there. And then there's not some like continuous problem. Same house. Yeah. You hit something. It is a poison.

Cause like wanting the idea that humans want to explore off the planet we live on is like as old as people right sure we like don't stop looking it has been put like that urge is pure it is impure to think that we want to go there to take diamonds to bring back to here like that is insane that's so that's so crazy but the idea that we are explorers is not is not crazy and and listen to the people who use this marvel of like space travel to go up there get a perspective that only like a handful of humans ever get and be like yo you are we are all fucking up and like you can you can see it from up there like somehow your spirit can like see it and it's really bad and and they pay their bodies are their strength it's a long-term what astronauts do has a long-term

costs that we're getting better at understanding. But it's not just bad for us. We're not designed... Every condition is not what we're designed for. Right. Yeah, yeah. Our little probes are getting good. Way to go, Perseverance. Keep looking for stuff in those rocks. Yeah, exactly.

Show us life on Mars. I just want to see what happens. I just want to see what happens if we can find evidence of bacterial life on Mars. I just want to see what happens. I just want to see what happens if we can find evidence of bacterial life on Mars. I just want to see what we do. I think we're going to go a little further. We'll bring it back. We're going to flip out. I'm so excited. We'll bring it back and it'll wipe us out

as it was scripted. Our hubris became too much. The one can only help. Scrape us off. Scrape us off. Bring it home. Bring it home. Bring it home. All the home. Bring it home. Boom. All the fucking ecosystems are devastated.

They're like, ah, fuck. Knew it. Ah, I knew that was bad. It was probably bad. It was probably bad. Probably bad. Probably bad. They did.

Like, that is a big thing they do, the quarantine after the moon landing. Like, they were like, all right. Those tubes are the cleanest things that we've ever made. The tubes on that little Mars rover are clean, baby, clean, and they are getting sealed up. They stay in space for like a while. Yeah, they don't fuck around.

And then I did want to just follow that story up with a story about why that will be the last time that we ever talk shit about rich people or corporations because now they are suing us. Not us specifically, but they're going after people who like to connect the dots out loud on the influence of money and beto o'rourke or also known as skateboard b uh is being sued is he known as that i just

i just decided to do that as a pharrell reference but we all know we know he gets down on that skateboard we saw him get down in that Whataburger parking lot. But, you know, he's being sued by this natural gas magnate in Texas. Why did he do something criminal? Oh, he pointed out the fact that the Natty Gas Pimp gave Governor Greg Abbott one million dollars right after the governor signed a bill into law that created a loophole for natural gas operators to be able to opt out of mandated winterization of their infrastructure well what does that even mean it's not like that could ever harm i know what do you mean winterization chains on my tires who gives a shit be like how bad could winter in texas thank you did anything bad happen a couple of winters ago

where properly winterized infrastructure could have prevented the death of hundreds and unregulated costs led to the just absolute robbery of people that's right not die in their homes there was in 2021 and then abbott signed a bill like a few months later that made it seem like he was addressing the issue of like the winter storm. And he was like, I want to make it look like I'm advocating for Texans by saying we got it. We actually have to get serious about mandating or like mandating like the proper winterization of infrastructure and like not allowing these operators to price gouge people. But again, he left a loophole for the natural gas gang which is why the tech

and the texas tribune points to the natural gas operators as quote the primary cause of outages during that time so what the fuck is going on and what is this distraught man to do for beto o'rourke saying things like this guy's influencing the governor or bribing him oh well he just pointed that out the greg abbott thing he was just like yeah he's like bill was fucked up yeah he's like look at it he's like he's carving out loopholes for his buddy this guy gave a million dollars you think this isn't connected this is directly relates to his business and way of making money and this is this is the kind of corruption where it got but you know like any any person who's like running for office with that

sort of set of ideals is going to articulate. Well, his lawyers now are saying like, well, you know what? They said that this natural gas tycoon experienced, quote, mental anguish from comments, ads and social media posts in which O'Rourke's campaign suggested that the money was a reward for Abbott going easy on him. What else? Tell us what else, honey. Let's soothe your wounds. Quote, Beto O'Rourke told millions of his followers that Warren engaged in bribery, corruption, and extortion, and that he profited from the death of his fellow Texans simply because Mr. Warren gave a perfectly legal campaign contribution to the candidate of his choosing, Governor Abbott.

When you look at the comments that his followers put in on his tweets, they believe him. They believe that Mr. Warren is a criminal that is engaged in profit over the lives of Texans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your profits. See, the reason is if you spent the fucking money to properly protect your infrastructure and prevent the power outages for people, which wouldn't have led to their deaths.

And, you know, after the fact, after the after the people, that's the wild thing is like a thing where it was like hindsight 2020, we would have really addressed that fucker. They are doing this and like paying him a million millions of dollars campaign contribution after they've their fuck up has already led to people dying has already led to like a national news like just disaster like something that everybody was talking about and they're like yeah okay so the next thing we need to do is make sure that no consequences are ever felt from this. Right. I don't know.

I'm looking for some silver lining here. Remember that our perfectly balanced judicial system runs on a system of precedent. System of precedent now if we could establish a precedent that mental anguish is Enough to sue a politician for then perhaps perhaps we're onto something here Maybe even corporate I've experienced mental anguish from every overdraft fee that I've ever experienced Maybe a little class action suit in that direction is in order I've Experienced you know mental anguish is in order. I've experienced mental anguish.

Oh, I remember when I was in college and I had to get all those loans because we made tuition and student fees in the California public university system. I remember that being quite a source of mental anguish. Maybe the half million students a year that were in

school with me in the state of California would like to get together and see if there's a little something we can do to compensate ourselves for what we suffered you know what i'm saying yeah i just yeah but if we could start suing people for mental anguish and that i i just think that maybe we're onto something here the mental anguish and if the judicial system wasn't run by billionaires right we'd be in business hey you never know let's let's open the doors but again like many people are saying like obviously it's a bullshit slap lawsuit and it's you know meant to chill the

speech of candidates or anyone who's wanting to point out that we live in this fucking oligarchy so you know there's that and it could be a great blueprint for other you know very sensitive earth fuckers who don't want to hear people accurately describe their actions but yeah it's it's it's a little dystopian 1984 flip the language vibe yeah you told the truth about me so i'm suing you is this interesting 100 and i mean when you also look at it too this guy like this gas guy like he's in every he's he's making sure everybody's paid you know i mean like ken paxton the the attorney general after the storm he's's like, we got to look into these gas companies, man. What the fuck was that storm about? It looks like they were gouging. The price gouging was out of control. But since then, he's refused to say

like what's going on with that investigation. And then if you look at the donations, the same guy, Kelsey Warren's given at least $200,000 to Paxton throughout his career. So it's like he stays on the good side of him. And then also the Texas Railroad Commission, which is the body that oversees like oil and gas and stuff in the state, you know, and like talks about price caps and things like that. He's given like over 390,000

to like Texas Railroad Commission candidates in the last decade. So, you know, I mean, if anything, it's just one of these weird things where you see how it works, but again, they're like, well, we have to prove the intent in court right you know i mean like he was just giving to it like and it's it's this nebulous language that is allowed to for them to have a defense we're going i'm merely participating in the civics pro the civic process here and just giving money to a preferred candidate without really you know but we're not going to actually

analyze what that means. Right. And I think that's what this what this lawsuit could end up boiling down to. Anyway, he's being better. O'Rourke is being sued for a million dollars. Yeah, I think that O'Rourke's just mad. He's not a baller like this guy, you know? Yeah, that's and I think that's what this guy was saying.

He's like, it's just all these haters. They hate that we're ballers. And what's the problem? I'll like we're, this is the, I mean, chads are finally stepping up to assert their dominance in court, which it's about time. I can see by the visual representation that this is the apex of the white male. This is, this is it. This is, uh, yeah, we're not getting much. after this. Every billionaire looks like flaccid wet sausage. But it's just something that

happens, I guess, when you have that much money. Speaking of flaccid wet sausage, we got a fucking flaccid wet sausage all-star coming up in our next story. It's true. I scrolled down to look at this guy's picture and I saw in the document which you so kindly prepared for guests there you've you've

included a photograph of a certain gentleman and i mistook him for a billionaire because he has billionaire body yeah which is about the compliment i could give him which i think we all recognize is not praise and he has like he has like that vibe like when you're so privileged like you still look like a baby because you've never had to live still like you saw your baby you're so privileged, you still look like a baby because you've never had to live still. He looks like the coach you're not surprised to hear the stories about. Yeah, 100%. With his haircut? That dodgy haircut?

The haircut is amazing. Oh, my God. Yeah. It looks like, yeah. Who's the owner of the Raiders who has the bowl cut? Yeah. Al Davis? With the haircut.

Wait, not Al Davis? Yeah, Al Davis. i think it's al davis's son maybe oh yeah yeah he's got that he's got that really wild edge up like he's got a caesar with bangs yeah basically yeah yeah caesar with bangs like, real aggressive. Bring it all to the front. I guarantee he wasn't like, give me an edge up. But yeah. Yeah. The person I'm talking about is Mark Davis, Al Davis' son. So worth looking at him and the gentleman we're about to talk to when we come back. Not talk to, talk about.

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you get your podcasts. And we're back and state houses where all the the good shit is going down these days yeah in the wake of the 2020 election all the state houses were busy finding ways to rat fuck elections since their whole idea has been stopped to steal and And then after the 2020 midterms, it seems like the Republicans' new obsession is the continued dehumanization of the LGBTQ community. Nothing to worry about there. Never a hard time. Yeah, yeah. Don't don't. We got rampant anti-Semitism, homophobia. Yeah, yeah. This all ends. This is all going to end well yeah but like as it stands right there

have been over 160 bills introduced in 2023 that are meant to discriminate against drag shows or trans people they're fucking like they're they're putting the pedal to the metal one particularly stupid bill comes from the aforementioned dickhead from North Dakota. It looks like he's wearing three hair pieces. I don't mean to come for the man, but I'm saying that most of the trans community could really help. We know how to lay a wig, baby.

Like on this side of the rainbow, we can just let us fix it. You are serving Mark Davis. Yeah. You're serving, you're serving a white man cosplaying as Maya from Pen15. Yes. But in the worst possible way.

You're like, hold on. What the fuck is this vibe? I mean, that is a horrible insult to Maya from Pen15. I mean, it's a bowl cut. You know what I mean? Maya, look, she's not tripping. I just saw her. We're all right.

So this man's name is David Clemens, and he just introduced a bill that would generate $1,500 fines for using people's preferred pronouns. Using their preferred pronouns would require you to be fired. And what he means is that this would apply to any, quote, any entity receiving state funding, including a public school, an institution under the control of the State Board of higher education and a state agency or office they're basically saying like if you spend the time to acknowledge someone's pronouns you will be fined we're only going to be just completely we're not respecting anybody or any or what how who they are as people that's that's the fine quote and again he goes even further in the event that these bigots have like terrible gaydar or like, you know, a way to suss people out. He said, quote, if sex, gender or gender identity or gender expression is contested, determination is established by the individual's deoxyribonucleic acid.

Cool. So DNA testing. They're so good with that. Yeah, the state testing people'sna on demand is something typically that people who favor less government control are like all about yeah this aligns perfectly with the general philosophy yeah absolutely yeah for sure and on this there's already like other advocates have pointed out it's like what if you like chromosomes aren't always straight up male or female yeah Yeah. So what do you how are you going to even enforce this? This is just like some ignorant guy's thing of being like, well, if they don't like it, we'll test their blood kind of thing.

And it's like, for what? Yeah. For girl. What are you talking about? For girl. Like and what if what if someone like an intersex person wouldn't have like a traditional DNA profile where they could be like, this is man, this is, or whatever it is. Again, this is so fucking backwards. And this is on top of other bills in the state that are already banning gender affirming care for trans, for

trans kids or banning trans girls from playing sports. They're just, they're piling on all this nonsense. And even the, their own state judiciary, said this bill was unlikely to work because it's written with tears and crayon and is also so poorly worded, they're even like, how are you going to enforce this? But this is all their shit. They're all based on a fucking Facebook post they didn't do any follow-up research on.

Anytime you talk to one of these bigots they're just they their ideas are always paper thin their commitment is paper thin i mean their commitment is strong but like they don't they haven't like looked into any of this shit it's just all based on something that their cousin fucking wrote on facebook yeah i again like this is not a winning formula you know what i mean for candidates in the midterms it was only scoring culture war points on tv like it wasn't putting it wasn't like oh this is the this is like the plutonium rod that'll power the gop to like you know like insane majorities and again they continue down this hate path full steam i mean not to mention like already like the dickheads in congress are already bringing up a fucking fair

this fair tax bullshit again or they want to have a flat sales tax to replace like every other tax we have and another bill another giveaway to like the wealthy that they're just like they're just you know there's no real direction aside from create as much outrage as possible, score as many culture war points as possible, because actual legislating is far from a priority. It's just to create, I don't know, for whatever reason, they're clawing back whatever gains they felt were made by people who are not cishet Christians in the last 20 years.

Yeah. It's just confusing. It's a confusing... Like, I don't... I could look for indicators in other societies that have freaked out about this and then fallen apart, which is what happens over and over again. But the obsession about it is so virulent.

Like, people are so angry about gender expression. It's an, I don't understand the anger or what it's actually about. It's like, it's like you're having, you know, on a grand scale, we're having a fight that where we're screaming about a teapot. But if we were in the couple, we would know it's not about the teapot. Like, what is this about? What are you mad about? Like, I just don't quite get it. And this isn't like a coming out. You can look at me and know that I don't express gender along strong binary lines. I've never been DNA tested.

I have no idea what the results would be. I'm like woman with big hair quotes. I just fall somewhere in the middle. My gender expression is Leatherman. Like I have cargo pants. Like I'm just somewhere floating in a purple space. And I feel like a coward sometimes. If they was in popular usage, that's probably what I would use. But I'm not interested in engaging in a linguistic fight. I see it more as just like clumsy English than anything else. Like other languages are better at expressing the fact that gender is part of language is very funny and weird. Anyway, I don't care, but it's terrifying. Right. I travel less and I do live in a conservative area now, but like,

I'm aware of being clocked in just this way that i know what people walk away around with in a because you know their expression means that folks are eyeing them down and they're so mad i don't know well i think because everything everything we see is it's Trying to reset the scales so like white, cis, het, Christian hegemony is maintained. And every group that we are, every group we now offer consideration towards is another group these people see themselves having to bow to. Right. Because they're not, they didn't used to have to bow to be like oh i didn't realize about you know you know systemic racism oh god it's not shoving someone in a bathroom is that submission well i think again for them it's like why do i have to now consider pronouns what the fuck is this i'm

i'm at the top of the sociological food chain where i shouldn't have to my consideration shouldn't go downwards ever i'm here y'all fucking deal with it and so what shouldn't have to, my consideration shouldn't go downwards ever. I'm here. Y'all fucking deal with it. And so what now I have to be mindful about, well, what, well, what white supremacist policies have had in this country. And I'm not fucking doing that. That's bullshit. I don't want to talk about critical race theory. What you're saying now, I have to defer to somebody because they said that they, their gender expression is this, that, you know, no, I'm not doing that. It's everything. I expression is this sad no i'm not doing that it's everything i'm not doing that i'm not doing that i'm not extending i'm not extending my empathy towards these people so now the natural instinct is to well then man vaporize the fuck out of them

like start making it the law that actually considering them is illegal that studying critical race theory is illegal and again we're not even saying this was even being taught to fucking children, but they're putting laws on the books to be like, don't even fucking talk about AP African-American studies in Florida. It has no value. It has no value to me. There's a leak, build a new house.

Right? Exactly. Yeah. It's just, it has no value to somebody who is not, who their only goal is to say, no value to somebody who is not who their only goal is to say i'm only looking for reminders of my power as a cishet white person in america if i have to say i'm sorry to someone no no no we're fucking up yeah the entire civilization was built around their ignorance for decades you know

like it was like we've just what is polite is whatever you are comfortable with as a cishet white man and that gave me the shivers yeah and holy shit that's another i'm sorry i just put a picture on of another legislator from mississippi who was again trying to ban like trying to ban doctors from providing gender-affirming care. And this guy looks like literally what you just talked about, Jack, someone who's built in the fires of ignorance. Yeah. And we'll fight for every opportunity to make sure he's allowed to stay ignorant, keep his children ignorant, and make sure nobody ever pushes his hair back to see where his hairline actually starts because he's got the he's got the wild floppy bangs that like come down into his eyes in a way that i'm not fully buying yeah but i mean but this is where we're at there we're

watching in real time the like legislate like the legislative manifestation and at every level of clawing back this sense of like dominance yeah and that they're and trying to recreate a world that's like fucking jim crow era shit which is like i don't know yeah that's them then that's their thing that's not my problem right and i'm not and i don't need to begin thinking i have to make considerations in my day-to-day life about people i'm not really like not been exposed to or educated on and i'm ignorant of so the the natural reflex isn't to learn or to open my heart it's to close it down and figure out how i can legislate my way out of learning anything else yeah and we live in a you know civilization where the rewards go to these people like they still go

to those people this guy is in fucking congress like the you know the guy you just showed a picture of is you know it hits on showtime right now is a pretty good documentary about the attica prison riot which i didn't know a lot about uh so i was glad to get some better insight in, but it is a pretty inhumane response to people asking to be treated like humans. And I mean, the folks with the boots wore those boots right on out of that prison, back to their homes, back to their families. And the people inside the prison died. It was, you know, people spoke out to ask to be treated like people. And those folks who spoke out were specifically targeted and taken down. It was it's such a stark.

I think perhaps some of when I look at history and civil rights in the United States, I wondered why this prison riot hadn't made its way to the forefront in the way some other events had. And it is almost because some other events have a deeper degree of subtlety. Like talking about who can ride the bus has a more humane level of subtlety. The Attica prison riot is on the nose in a way that leaves you with a nosebleed. And that's important because things are that as is, as it was, you know, we can have a debate in a classroom about that period of history debate isn't right there's no debate but you know you can talk in a classroom about buses it's really hard to talk about what happened in that place and the lack of aftermath sort of the the fact that nothing changed it's a worthy watch if you want to you know just get gutted have your eyes shat upon by the truth

truly yeah the there's so many stories like that we should just do a a whole series that's just like the stories that you will hear from american history and be like holy shit why isn't this the first thing they fucking taught me like there's an episode of the dollop. There's an episode of the dollop about the Boston bus riots. That is like the most damning thing about like how racist Boston is. And just like massive, you know, race riots started by, you know, wildly racist policies and racist people in Boston. and it just doesn't get brought up it's like not a thing that you learn about in school i think yeah to caitlin's point it's always the

ones that are so obvious exactly about you know what i mean like like i didn't know the police dropped a bomb on people in philly yeah i. I was 30. Yeah. You know, I was like, wait, what? A bomb? A bomb. B-O-M-B bomb. I have off a helicopter.

What the fuck? Really? You know what I mean? And it's, and you look at everything and you're like, oh my God, these, uh,

yeah, that just looks like an extension of all the other terrible racist violence. We've seen that we were supposedly moved past, but you know, it keeps popping up in these other ways but yeah we'll see uh yeah it it is it is interesting to see how how we look back at this period because you know anytime the society lets a group become vulnerable and you know they begin picking away at it that's truly the beginnings of some even more awful shit. And we've been experimenting with this same way of doing business for fucking ages now. So it's like really disheartening. The one, the one thing I will say

is that with that one specific bill in North Dakota, a lot of people came out to like oppose it. Not one person came to like support the bill at all and what i mean even like the people in that committee were like yeah this is there's no way this is like this is not going to pass but it's still going to the senate floor for a vote yeah um like in north dakota so again we'll see but this is all this is all part of these people wanting to keep up the regularly scheduled programming of saying like hey we can legislate our way to the top again by dehumanizing and othering our fellow human beings. North Dakota, this is my plea. If I understand correctly, you are the least touristed state in the nation. And if that's not true, I apologize. But also look at what just happened in your state

house. We all have a lot to talk about. But I am pretty sure in North Dakota that not enough people come to see you. I'm pretty sure it's South Dakota, Dakota has that mountain with the people on it. And that's what everybody goes to see. You North Dakota are sitting there full of beautiful spaces that could be full of gays and their dual income, no kid lifestyle. Imagine the resort properties.

Imagine the tourist dollars that you could try in with those snowbirds. I'm just saying you're missing where the money is. Those trans shows, people just throw money. Did you know that? At a drag show where the trans is, dance people literally just throw American dollar bills at one another. Just bring that money in. There you go. Caitlin, as always, truly a pleasure having you on the show.

Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? At Guaranteeshshirts, of course. I also, 420 Day Fiance, grab a t-shirt, an amazing podcast in addition to this one that you should check out and enjoy. Otherwise, I am not online and it's beautiful. So my t-shirts, that's where I'm at. There you go. Get the designs where they're around. Otherwise, enjoy International Shortsennifer connelly and every other talented performer and is there a work of media that you've been enjoying movie yeah i've been ignoring twitter since we had to let the sink in but i uh let that sink in sorry i got the pun wrong because it's just so it's such a funny joke yeah but i'm gonna give it up i thank alice waterlandund for pointing me this direction. I have been indulging in scrolling through Reddit, specifically just the Reddits that I have subscribed. I'm just a home girl, so I see a lot of plumbing, a lot of electricity, a lot of home improvement, and a lot of curled feetsies.

their feetsies all curled up. I highly recommend that you go check out Reddits Corner curled feetsies to see. It's mostly cats. And I understand there was some tension about downvotes given to other animals with curled feetsies, but it has been clarified within the community that any animal with cute curled feetsies is allowed for submission.

So mainly cats, but a variety of animals with their feetsies curled. I love it. Highly recommend. Feetsies, I love it. You know, when their little feet just flop over because they're relaxed? So that one little joint that is neither elbow nor wrist, no or knee, flops. I like, too, when cats sit under their feet and they look like little chickens.

Yeah. Oh, is that what it's called? That's called Batmobile? I have a black cat, so we call it Batmobile. Wow. I have a black cat, too. I'm going to call it Batmobile. Looks like the little Batmobile, right?

All curled up with her little haunches on big back wheels. Whoa. And her yellow eyes say less. Vroom, vroom. Exactly. We have the same cat. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying?

You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Like Caitlin said, you can also find me on four 20 day fiance with Sophie, Alexandra, and also Jack and I have a basketball podcast called miles and Jack got mad. Okay. Um, let's see. And the tweet I like,

uh, is from at Richard underscore normal. I think the most, my most misogynistic belief, and I apologize in advance is that I've noticed that, and again, I'm sorry to say this, sometimes women don't finish their cans of sparkling water as frequently as men do.

And that was his take. And I, as somebody who, the thing is, I don't even finish my cans of sparkling water. I think this affects everybody the same way. Although, Her Majesty loves to leave around loose half cans of sparkling water. Yeah.

I'm notorious for the one sip ditch. So I have no stake in this argument. How do you feel? How do you sip? Because I get it too. Sometimes I open a can, I'm like, oh shit, I need this. But I only really needed to sip.

And then I'm like... That first big sip that I only really needed the sip and then I'm like first big sip that hurts and then you put it down and then you go oh it burns it burns so good and then I'm like I'm going to leave it on the kitchen counter I'm going to get back to this can of course I am of course I'm going to finish this can and not open another one

this is also how I came across the thing about Jack when I used to say leave a half opened passion fruit LaCroix in your car and it'll smell like a new car that's again straight off of me not finishing fucking cans of fucking sparkling water i feel like this is everybody this is everybody's problem it's not it's not my problem my problem is the opposite i drink everything that's in front of me that's why i can't drink alcohol i drink so much so fast i am a thirsty thirsty man all the time and if you put anything in front of me unless it's room temp water which i can i can kind of take or leave but basically anything cold i will i will drink it so fast i'm gonna drink all the room temp water

we're good you can have everything i see you're too hot i'm gonna be right in that room i think it also has to do with the fact that i'm so sweaty that like my body is just naturally like ever since i was young was always just like gotta get gotta get more fluids go go go go go so i can win chugging contests of lots of varieties and it's not something I'm proud of. It's just a fact. Matt Lieb tweeted, love clicking on the new For You tab so I can hear from both sides of the Are Jews People? debate. Shout out to Matt Lieb. Thank you for your service.

Stepping in for me when I was doing lunch day at my kid's school, which was lovely. Appreciate y'all. Alright, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and

a website, DailyZeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our foot notes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, what song do we think people might enjoy? Oh, I think it's time to do some rapping, but some Japanese rap from this MC, Miso Extra.

She's like dope. She's rapping in Japanese, so I don't expect people to know the lyrics. But this track is called Great Taste. I think the production is super dope. The flow is super cool. And yeah, for anybody who's trying to get into, you know, some new kinds of rap, you know, from the other side of the pond, check out Miso Extra. You like that name?

Miso Extra? check out miso extra you like that name miso extra i mean the thing is she's japanese you know yeah do whatever the fuck you want to do you know what i mean if you're gonna lean into that shit uh it's funny because like on her website the the font is like cup of noodles too so you know is that i'm not sure what the nuances of your uh your artistic oeuvre but yeah it's miso extra the there was a sushi place by where i used to live in santa monica called miso fishy and oh yeah i remember that place i just bothered me a lot that that was what they went with because it first of all it's a play on miso horny i think think, right? Of course. And then fishy is not what you want your sushi to be. No, that means it's straight up shit.

Fishy is like bait. It's like a bait shop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll allow my bait shop to be fishy. What's that? I think that's making fun of what, like, this is what you want, isn't it? You want it to say miso horny, I told you. All right, so this is called Foo Cat Thai now. That's what're gonna fucking call it are you happy are you happy here you go assholes oh so i've just a background she was born in hong kong japanese mom

english father said my mom has always raised me with the pride of being japanese and taught me to really embrace that side of my culture a huge part of that is actually being able to speak japanese and i'm proud of the fact that i'm able to occupy a dual space and it's in my dna yeah i heard that part uh you're fortunate not being one thing and that translates into other aspects of your personality and that she calls it the miso verse so she's kind of an out there creative cool i like but yeah i love it all right well the daily zeitgeist is a production of i heart radio for more podcasts from my heart radio visit the i heart radio app apple, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning. Back this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk to you all then. Bye.

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