The Daily Zeitgeist - Billionaires Sweating? NRA Losing? 3.31.21

Episode Date: March 31, 2021

In episode 847, Miles and guest host Jamie Loftus are joined by Unladylike's Cristen Conger to discuss the Koch boys trying to block the largest election-reform bill, the NRA struggling to stop gun safety legislation, sports social justice messaging increasing, James Cameron new Titanic movie, Sharon Osbourne's racism payout, the Game Of Thrones and Princess Diana musicals, and more!FOOTNOTES: Inside the Koch-Backed Effort to Block the Largest Election-Reform Bill in Half a Century The NRA Can’t Stop Gun Safety Legislation This Time Sports viewers shift habits as social justice messaging increases: poll A Life-Size Replica Of The Titanic Is Under Construction In China's Countryside True Story of China’s Titanic Survivors, Executive Produced by James Cameron, Heads to Cinemas Why you’ve never heard of the six Chinese men who survived the Titanic Sharon Osbourne exits ‘The Talk’ with payout of up to $10 million ‘Game Of Thrones’ Stage Production In The Works ‘Diana: The Musical’ Announces Fall Broadway Return, Netflix Debut LISTEN: Addiction (Nick Bike Edit) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And, you know, it's the podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, good or bad. This one has tinges of good and bad. You know, it's a little more balanced today. And you know what? Things that start good of good and bad. You know, it's a little more balanced today. And you know what? Things that start good and then get bad. It is Wednesday, March 31st, 2021. My name is Miles Gray, a.k.a. Junk Food for Munchies.

Because I'm Miles G. And I host the DDZ. Oh. And that is from Grand Rapidian Willie. Shout out to Grand Rapids, Michigan. And Rockwell, who was Barry Gordy's son. And that's why he had a career. Because his dad was running Motown.

But, hey, that's how you get Michael Jackson to do the backing vocal. You're like, how'd you do that? It's Barry Gordy's son. And aside from the little music history note, I am thrilled to welcome my co-host, the one and only, the genius herself. The little Zamboni herself. Please welcome Jamie Loftus.

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Okay. Oh, yeah. It was like lightning. Everybody was fighting. The cantina was soothing. The resistance started moving. First order in the back said everyone attack. So they turned to Babu Frick.

Babu Frick. Babu Frick. It's a long way to get there. But you know, we got there. Oh my God. That's so good. I'm so happy. That's from D Elise.

Thank you so much. Wow. I've changed. Right? Babu Frick doesn't get enough love. It warmed my heart. I don't know how else you work the auxiliary character of Babu Frick from the latter day Star Wars films into a rhyme that is so suitable

like ballroom blitz. And it, you know what? It's inspired. It's brilliant. Yeah, 100%. It's brilliant. Student of the month. Well, we are joined by someone

who's quite possibly even more brilliant. Someone who's been in this podcasting game. I mean, like we're talking OGs, okay? This is somebody who co-created stuff mom never told you, okay? This is somebody who you might know probably from, you know, founding Unladylike Media, having the podcast Unladylike. Or you might just know her as Kristen, which I know her as more than that. Kristen Conger, welcome to the show.

Thank you for coming by. Hi, thank you for having me. Thanks for being here. Do you have an AKA? Oh, an AKA? Go. Okay. My name is Kristen Conger,

AKA I listen to too many podcasts and I don't have a music reference off the top of my head because I listen to people talk all day. Do you think you listen to more podcasts than music? Yeah. I don't think I know. And it is sad.

Wow. Yeah. I wonder how, I bet that you're like very much not alone there. I just, and people just aren't talking about it because it's not healthy. The rising menace of the podcast. I knew it was a problem when I like randomly just like, I was like, Hey, you know what?

I guess I'll listen to music today. i could like feel my brain like dopamine like shooting off in my brain of like oh my god what is this new sound it's like humans talking but to melody holy shit i do yeah you do reach a point with like listening to podcasts even if you're listening to like all amazing ones where you're just like your brain starts to die of like takes poisoning like you're just yeah yeah that starts to die of like takes poisoning like you're just yeah yeah that's why i also have to switch to like comedy where it's absolute absurdity and it's not something i'm like seeking nourishment from because yeah when you get take nourishment you can get some just medicine like i'll get like sometimes when a podcast that is just silly, all of a sudden is serious for a day.

I'm like, oh, go back to roller coasters. What? I use you as my escape. Right. Exactly. Well, Kristen, we're going to get to know you very well when we get your takes on some of these things. But first, I want to give the listeners a preview of what we're talking about. And I say, you know, this is kind of a balanced episode this is there's a little bit of light in some of the stories we're talking about for example the coke boys the coke

brothers they're they're freaking the fuck out a little bit as long along with a few other dark money groups because they don't know how to convince people voting is bad uh so we'll take a look into this jane mayor piece where she got her hands on a fucking tape of one of these calls. Mrs. Dark Money herself? Yup. Jane Jane in the building. And also, we got another story. You know, we've talked about

the NRA obviously being very weak. Yet, in the face of these mass shootings, we've seen laws that almost reinforce this just ridiculous idea that we need to have maximum guns on everyone at all times. But this is a really good piece that is written by Shannon Watts, who founded Moms Demand Action, about why she thinks this time is different. So we'll kind of look into that. And I want to I want to feel good about her observations. And then we'll just talk about, you know, I think sports have gotten too woke, according to a poll.

We'll talk about the new Titanic. And, you know, maybe a theater update. Maybe we'll go to the West End, Broadway, what have you. Is Cats coming back? Oh, you just have to wait and see. These are two things that maybe we'll see and maybe nobody asked for, but either way it's happening. Love it. But first, Kristen, we got to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that, you know, reveals a little bit about who you are? Okay. So one thing from my Google search history is ILGWU, 1982 strike, New York.

Okay. Is this ringing any bells? Where are my strike nerds at? Labor history nerds. Is this a garment workers union? Yes. Okay. I was able to piece together GW.

Okay. this a garment workers union yes okay i was able to get the gw okay yes so the international ladies garment workers union strike of 1982 i was searching for it because i randomly like stumbled across it and learned that in 1982 nearly 20 000 almost all women, mostly all of Asian descent, marched from Chinatown down to Columbus Circle. And it was this huge labor moment where the garment workers union was fed up and they uh basically demanded rights that had a major ripple effect into like just workers at large rights and my mind was just blown because i had never heard of that before and you would think that like oh 20 000 people taking to the streets like maybe that would be something that's like in our in our history books but no no people of color organizing other people of color and like making change oh shocker um we haven't thought about that in our textbooks um so i was

doing some some digging to find out more about that and the rad women who organized it how did you how did that even how did because i'm hearing obviously'm hearing, obviously I'm like you, I'm like, wow, uh, I've heard this. I've never heard of this. And also it's no surprise because yes, why would you tell little kids and put ideas in their head that they could organize themselves and demand better treatment? Um, so how did you come across So I was doing some research for Women's History Month content because… Oh, we love it. You know content. Yeah. Love a bit of custom content.

So International Women's Day, if you didn't know, actually has its roots in the labor movement and old school socialism. So Women's History Month, by extension, actually has like very labor socialist roots. So I was thinking like, oh, I can make some custom content around like women in the labor movement. And and also, too, I feel like not to be too on the nose, but I think that labor history is very zeitgeisty right now as the Mills and the Gen Z's are getting maybe just a touch fed up with capitalism. with capitalism um and all of a sudden i ran across this profile of may chen connie ling and alice ip who organized this and i was like god damn it more stuff that i didn't know yeah this is so cool it's like it's so funny at every turn it's like it's always they don't want people to

have the imagination for revolution at any point you know that's really at all it's like it's always they don't want people to have the imagination for revolution at any point. You know, that's really it. It's what it all boils down to. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's talk about cancel culture. No, no, no, no. Don't hear about how thoroughly Amazon's getting owned with piss bottle gate and the fake accounts, all this other nonsense. It's like the revolutions they teach are very selective that reinforce a certain kind of idea.

These I'm looking up pictures of this strike and it's so cool. And it's so on top of how incredible it is to see just like women organ organizing and getting results. The outfits are great. It's very 80s. So highly recommend. I mean, you've got to love some 1982 history. I mean, if only for the fashion. If only for the pants, yeah. Oh, I mean, okay, this all makes sense, too, that one of their first strikes was right after the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire.

Yes. Man, shout out to ILGWU. And we're learning something every day. This is amazing. Thanks for telling us this. Kristen, what is something you think is overrated? Okay. This feels a little hypocritical of me to say, but I'm going to go ahead and say working from home is overrated.

Ooh. Okay. Now, maybe not always for me personally. I've been working from home for the past. When did I quit my job? 16. What is it now? I've been working from home for the past five years.

Right. Oh, wow. OK. But when you work from home, yes, you have the luxury of no commutes and technically being able to work in your pajamas, if you prefer. But at the same time, like. For me right now, like my my apartment is my recording studio, my office, my therapist's office, my like it's everything collapsed into one so I think the reason it's overrated is because what they don't tell you is that when you work from home that means you can

potentially never leave work right yeah you have to create boundaries that's for sure because the one thing I found is since in the in the beginning of the pandemic and the lockdown, I was really treating it like, Oh, this is great. Like I don't have to drive into work. Like I'm going to take a long ass walk and just like sit in the sun for like 40 minutes and then I'll get to work. But then over time, like I just found myself with nothing to do. So I would just start working earlier and earlier. I'd like wake up or whatever. Seven. I guess I can start working. I'm like, wait, what?

Before I wasn't even working until like closer to 10. So, yeah, there's there's like a little bit of guilt, too. Like I still have that fucked up, you know, American worker guilt built into me where it's like, oh, what are you working from home? You fucking sick fuck. And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. I'll do more to offset the fact that i'm wearing basketball shorts sir uh but yeah now i'm like fuck i'm off that you know i'm just like we're all just trying to live baby yeah i think that working from home for the past year has enabled and activated some of the least healthy parts of my brain and some of my worst habits just like know that the lack of separation is really stressful the

the i don't know just like you don't have an excuse like i don't i i can't transition from like work stuff to like life stuff in the same room it's so uncomfortable you gotta you have to give yourself time boundaries at the very least like that's the only way i could do it i was like if i started doing anything resembling work before like fucking nine i was like stop that's because you know you're gonna end up you got other recordings later in the day and you technically won't be done till seven or some shit so don't give yourself a set like you know 12 hour work anyway look miles you sound like a boss's dream though you're like the best case scenario like oh the workers will want to start working earlier look at him look at that it's his yeah his his japanese guilt mixed in with his you know person of color minority trying to work in this country it's just i can't win no matter what but

that's why therapy again you know because the same seat i'm sitting in is where i get my therapy off too uh and working on that but realizing we got to have healthier boundaries because, yeah, it is a double-edged sword for sure. Kristen, what's something you think is underrated? Okay. Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Okay. Why underrated?

Are they not a staple? Are they not getting the respect they need? I'm sorry. I hate to put the respect they need? I'm sorry. I hate to put you on the. I'm sorry, Kristen. Are they not a staple food already? What are you advocating for exactly? You know, I knew this was going to be the hot take that really stirred up some controversy.

So I read it. It's a blessing. Blessing for this show. Well, yes, they are a staple. But I think that we think of them as like, you know, child's child's play. You know, it's what the kids eat. It's so simple, but it has everything as someone who works from home. And sometimes like, you know, with the with the scheduling fluidity, it can be hard for me to like stop and take a lunch break. Right.

So if I can just like slap some peanut butter on a bread and like jelly on the other side, I'm telling you how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for anyone who didn't know. And then eat that. It's like everything that you need. And then eat that. It's like everything that you need. I had a nutritionist who told me it's like it is a complete meal because you got your protein. You got your carbs. You got a little sweet in there.

Sugar, a little salt. Yes. Yes. And I feel like adults really don't appreciate just the simple nutritional power of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. powerful uh nutritional power of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and for me as like ridiculous as it is it creates some needed order in my day i'm like well i got the sandwich we can do this um i once read like an interview with samantha b where she was talking about how her like one thing is like she makes herself lunch for the next day every night, and that keeps her feeling prepared and steady. And I was like, well, you know what?

It's good enough for Bea. It's good enough for me. Whoa. All of the quotables. PB&J, the game changer for me in the last year was toasting them. Adding a little artisan. Oh, my God. And giving a little crunch to your PB&J.

Highly recommend it. I'll just make two pieces of toast and a little crunch to your PB&J, highly recommend it. I'll just make two pieces of toast and then turn it into a PB&J, and I feel so fucking elegant. Yeah. But Jamie, I love the texture of the cheap white bread being stuck to the back of my front teeth when I take a bite. Don't you like the texture of crispy white bread? That's the only thing you think when I eat a, when it's not toast, I'm like, oh, I gotta, it's all stuck behind my front teeth now. Yeah, you gotta have some

like an almond milk or like, you gotta have something on the side to wash that down. Yeah. And what about jellies? What are we doing here for the jelly side from the two of you? What is because I, you know, I'm going to be honest. I only have, I only keep peanut butter in my home. I haven haven't i haven't come home to jellyville in a long time i do like the the fruity preserves thing and i put it on toast and waffles but what flavor what flavor

we talking oh i do strawberry i'm extremely basic in that regard i've never i've always had grape jelly growing up so i've never strayed from grape jelly. Oh, Miles, there's a whole world of jams and jellies out there. There's so many. There's so many. I'm fucking up. The most recent thing I did do was a pepper jelly and peanut butter sandwich. Ooh.

Was that good? Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't bad because pepper jelly is sweet, but there's also a little heat behind it. And, you know, peanuts are part of Thai cooking. You know what know i mean like nuts and heat go all together you know what i mean you put that on a shirt but that it was a good it was a good flavor profile for sure i don't that i can't believe i missed the low-hanging fruit of merely toasting the bread it's so i because i have because i love pbjs but the the the chewy ones, they taste like embarrassment I felt when I was eight. And it does kind of make me tense up because I'm like, oh, I'm at a lunch table alone again.

No, thank you. Toasted up, you're an adult. Who do they know what you would rise to be, the toasted PB&J sandwich eater? And we're all keeping it peanut butter, no alternatives? what you would rise to be, the toasted PB&J sandwich eater. And we're all keeping a peanut butter, no alternatives? I mean, I love an almond butter, you know, but, you know, in these pandemic times, you know, I'm on a budget, so I got to keep it with peanuts right now.

Yeah. Once, you know, once all my podcast riches come in. Yeah, a lot of water just come in yeah a lot a lot of water and a crunchy peanut butter what are we talking like laura scutters you know some separation may occur oil on top yeah that was like the one my dad used to buy and i'll get so mad because it wasn't jif because like i don't like this i want p. And he's like, this is that old shit. And I'm like, it's got grease on top. We got some off-brand, whatever the off-brand Jif was. It was like Jorp or whatever.

That's what they would sell at the grocery store. They're like, oh, it looks just like Jif, but it's called Jorf. Enjoy. Oh, man. I love Jorf. Enjoy. Oh, man. I love Jorf. Please. Yeah. Laura Scudder was an entrepreneur from Monterey Park, California, who made potato chips and

pioneered the packaging of potato chips in sealed bags to extend freshness. Go off, Laura. Good for Laura. God damn. Never even heard of Laura Scudder? Yeah. Maybe it's a california thing that makes sense for it to be a month like starting in monterey park and my dad who grew up in los angeles that maybe that was just like the you know the local shit so it's the last day of women's history month when this episode comes out right at the buzzer baby so glad laura got in right it's

like oh because we're talking about titanic today It's like when the guy gets in right underneath, you know, when the ship is sinking and there's a guy. Oh, yep. I was like, I will continue describing this part of Titanic. The door is coming down and they're about to be like the workers are going to be trapped in the water. Oh, yeah. The one guy just. He goes like. That's Laura.

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when a lot of people tried to overthrow FDR because they were all in on, you know, letting business run shit. That's kind of like the vision that Koch brothers have. They would like to know that, you know, them is just business magnates or that, you know, billionaire class is still able to run shit and, you know, dictate what the policies and procedures are of this country. And they've done a pretty good job, you know, like their dark money groups and other people like them have done a really good job to pervert the process at every turn, whether that's funding these weird ad campaigns you never heard of that can their money in the most cynical ways and to create this idea that there's maybe support for awful fucking ideas.

So let's talk about Jane Mayer. She's got a new piece in The New Yorker and she's she got her fucking hands on a conference call of these fucking monsters. And and it's not really so much for like what their plans are, because it's always so out in the open. We understand how they created the Tea Party movement as a response to having a black president. So in this instance, she's like, it's just a little interesting what I heard. instance, she's like, it's just a little interesting what I heard. Um, you know, they, they're really trying to figure out how they can just completely kneecap HR one, which is the, for the people act, which is the thing that passed the house. It's just sitting in the Senate because senators want to keep the filibuster for some reason and let this shit go on. So in this

story, there's just some really good tidbits because the overarching theme is that they don't they can't wrap their heads around the fact that all people in this country seem to be behind the idea that dark money needs to be out of politics. And so this is like this. I'll just read this excerpt from the article. Kyle McKenzie, the research director for the Koch run advocacy group, stand together, told fellow conservatives and Republican congressional staffers on the call that he had a spoiler. Oh, which was when presented with a very neutral description of the bill, people were generally supportive. McKenzie said, adding that the most worrisome part is that conservatives were actually as supportive as the general public was when they read the neutral description. He goes on to warn, there's large, very large chunk of conservatives who are supportive of these types of efforts.

Watch out for that chunk of conservatives. Yeah. It's almost like they realized that dark money wasn't really working for them. Yeah. So, you know, I they're so they're like oh god the people have become aware it used to just be like you know we could let their subconscious or conscious racism allow them to sort of drift to this part but when they read this shit out loud hey this is nonsense money's perverting the political process i mean y'all

donald trump kind of wrote into office on that shit. So you on some level, that was a winning message for people who were, you know, the people you thought would help you overthrow the government. So he also goes on that, you know, like, what do you do now? Because if these people are like fucking figuring it out, what do we do? McKenzie conceded the legislation's opponents would likely have to rely on Republicans in the Senate where the bill is now under debate to use, quote, under the dome type strategies, end quote, meaning legislative maneuvers beneath Congress's roof, such as the filibuster to stop the bill, because turning public opinion against it try to, quote, engage with the other side on the argument that the legislation, quote, stops billionaires from buying elections. McKinsey admitted, quote, unfortunately, we found that this is a winning message for both the general public and also conservatives. Who we don't count as the general public for some reason. Well, that shows you their worldview, right? Yeah. This is so, I mean, like, first of all,

if I were 12 and asked to write what I thought billionaires talked about and how they talked about it when they get scared, I would have written this exact thing. This is so, this is just so evil sounding. Like a villain and, you know, a villain painted into a corner kind of rhetoric. Yeah. It's, I mean, it, and, you know, a villain painted into a corner kind of rhetoric. Yeah, it's I mean, it again indicates, I think, just how much they're they've for all the money they've poured into it to now, like they're at this point where like, guys, guys, we're not seeing a return on any of this.

Like all this all this money that was spent, it's all going bad. And on top of it, that you go on on this call about how they tried fucking everything to figure out effective messaging and even when they said they tried like connecting aoc and be like oh my god you know these socialists are like you know isn't that like fucking what is this we gotta stop it or even saying uh using cancel culture to try and like infuse cancel culture with what this voting legislation was. It all, the fucking needle did not move even with cancel culture,

because even conservatives who would have thought that, you know, their rampant greed would eventually translate into resentment. I don't know. Maybe that's what happened. So this is where they're at. Right. Were they like, Oh, like, was it cancel the billionaires that didn't work? Like, how the fuck did they even try to tie cancel culture?

It was more like I think just so indirect, like, you know, liberals are so, you know, hopped up on cancel culture that they'll do everything at any turn to stop the will of the people, including this bill that prevents billionaires from buying elections. And then like you were like, yeah, nah. But whenever the messaging was had anything to do with like something punitive for billionaires, support skyrocketed. And they're just like, what are we? We were talking about this yesterday, too, of just like how every like person seems to have a different uh definition of what cancel culture means to them and it's like i'm not interested in what a billionaire's version of cancel culture is it means something totally different it means

like getting mad that i'm breaking the law with all of my money and I'm racist. It's like that's not that's not cancel culture. That's that's billionaire culture. Yeah. They don't even they don't even understand it from their side. And then just one quote from, you know, fucking epic conservative goon Grover Norquist. He was also on this call and he said, quote, the left is not stupid they're evil they know what they're doing they have correctly decided that this is the way to disable the freedom movement I mean put that on a poster y'all they're saying this is the thing well this is what we also told them or this is what we've been saying about hr1 and why it's like we're not

understanding why it's taking so long this is an existential threat to republican politics because everything is about voter suppression and keeping people in the dark as much as possible and now when you have something that's there to remedy that and actively make it easier for people to vote and actually be informed it's like this is and i love the terminology the way to disable the fucking freedom movement a 12 year old wrote that like what is the freedom movement free it's such a bummer that like freedom and patriot are like two such red flag words like if someone invokes them like i i don't even know what you yeah my fight or flight response kicks in if someone starts to self-identify as a patriot yeah um it's yeah i mean it's it's stories like this

are tough right because it's you know it's kind of funny and like satisfying to watch these like sick people flail but then also it's like they still have all that money. And when, uh, when someone with that much money and, and power starts to feel desperate, we, you know,

what happens? Yeah. Weird shit. Like at, at the least, you know, weird shit will happen. So I,

I mean, yeah, weird shit or not at the very least, I think what we can take from this is that even conservatives, for whatever reason, are, I mean, not for whatever reason, I think because this is like the point that you'd hope people can begin to like melt this divide to understand like, oh, I can't believe this, these this critical race theory that's being taught in schools or I can't believe they're like, we have to actually begin to understand like what is at the root of, you know, all of this societal rot. But yeah, we'll see.

Maybe it's greed. Who would have thought? Hmm. I'm open to that. Maybe the left is evil y'all i mean yeah there's that too and it's like yeah it takes a lot for people like what no one good one bad it's like no one say racism out loud the other does cosplay that's kind of racist and then we'll do it quiet and then incrementally change things that feels still the same uh for the people living

of years yeah oh man but anyway loved the kente cloth outfits though in the retinue i'll still i'll always think of that when i think of why the democrats have the interests of black people um you know clever optics for whoever uh thought that up okay let's move on to the nra because this is another group who you know that they're weak they're patriots they're patriots they are big everyone big p patriots big pp with their guns patriots um and they look this is we're in a really fucked up time recently i think the ninth circuit uh court of appeals just ruled that like there's no constitutional argument to why you should have open or concealed carry um which i think which means this is now going to end up in the supreme court but that's a good that's good for any regulation that people said like

yeah we're trying to tamp down on what you can just carry out and about in public. So that's like the latest sort of back and forth with gun control. But this, the NRA is bankrupt and withered. But the fact remains that like gun humper culture is still very much alive and well because of the work that they did over the last few decades. And I still remain very cynical over the likelihood of substantive gun control reform. But I do recognize that we are in a much different time now than we have been ever before. Shannon Watts, who founded Moms Demand Action the day after Sandy Hook, has been a regular sparring partner with the NRA since 2012. regular sparring partner with the NRA since 2012. And she recently wrote an op-ed that outlines for her just from how she's looking at it, why she thinks that we may begin to see something

different, that Goliath may be falling at this point. She points to the fact that support for universal background checks through the roof. We saw that. This includes 89% of Republicans and 89% of gun owners. So not. Yeah, not only that, but it's so weird. We don't hear a lot of this polling like in the reporting. It's always very like it's we can thank the media for that. Yeah. But not only that, gun control was getting the same support from voters, that job creation and an additional covid stimulus was for in terms of like what they felt should be the first hundred days priority of the new Congress and administration. discussions is right after something terrible has happened as a result of gun violence. And it's never like, hey, this like this is actually a widely supported thing. That's that's fucked. I'm glad that's true. But I wish that, you know, that kind of stuff was more widely reported.

I also wonder with some of this polling, whether there's any sort of effect of the people they're polling, like essentially wanting to say the right answer, but not necessarily. I'm thinking about like the pre 2016 election polling that like, you know, it's going to be a blowout. Of course, Clinton's going to win, but we now know that like,

I don't know. I, I, I feel like a lot of times we hear, especially in times like this, in the wake of, uh, of mass shootings and things like that, gun owners coming out saying like, no, I'm all for owning guns, but I want to do it responsibly. And I just I don't know. I don't know.

I trust those numbers. Yeah. I mean, it's that's why I say that's why I still remain cynical, you know, because I think despite that, there's still an idea where people have these just like thought killing cliches, which is Democrat come steal my gun. And then it's this becomes this existential fight. But at the same time, I think is like the just unfortunately, as gun violence just becomes more widespread, like it's starting to affect a wider group of people who are starting to see themselves and maybe the victims out there and be like, yeah, well, I know I'm not a bad guy. I just, you know, I'm making up for

not making the football team in high school. So that's why I have all these guns. But maybe, and I'm responsible. So yeah, maybe it should just be for responsible people. I don't know. I am encouraged that Shannon Watts finds it encouraging. I'm like, that's at least that's a good person to take cues from. Right. Well, because typically they're writing the pieces that are saying the NRA is making it impossible for anything to happen.

And they're telling you from their perspective of how many times they've had to go up against this lobbying group. But now it's like saying, like, things are changing at the very least. I think that's the most healthy bit of optimism I'll take from that is things are changing. And she even goes on to point out in 2020, the group spent like half of what it did in 2016 to support Trump, obviously, because they're dealing with bankruptcy, as well as other Republicans. And then one third less on lobbying in that year. And then revenue and revenue from membership dues also dropped by 34 percent in 2019, partly because there seems to be like awareness that they don't represent responsible gun owners anymore. Like it used to just be like, hey, you got your gun. You join the NRA. And now people, I think, just like they just I don't know. I watched NRA TV the other day and Dan Bongino ripped apart a black action figure and kept calling it a thug. And I had no idea what this has to do with the rifles or anything. Yeah, that's their children's programming, too.

It's it's a difficult channel to watch. Dan Bongino screaming about thugs! And I used to be my white beady cop, and I know about them. So, I mean, I hope she's right, you know, because I think their whole worldview and their whole model as business was just sort of being like, the world is coming to kill you, buy these guns, because

no one can be trusted, especially brown people. And they want to make people feel as helpless as possible, and nothing can be done but i think given and this is another thing shannon watts points to given 2020 and how just awful things were and people sort of trying to figure out like why things are the way they are that there's a little bit different energy that maybe people are trying to figure out maybe there is a way for them to exercise their power rather than standing idly by go fucking figure yeah i mean look you love to see it you really do i do love to see i mean this is this is generally i mean it's it's i think

definitely a part of this is like them slowly going broke but the fact that public uh perception has actually shifted in the past couple of years. It's like, well, thank fucking God the past couple of years did something to, you know, shift the conversation on this. Yeah. Like if anything, like, can we just can we just get the assault weapons ban? Right. Yeah. Just start there. Like that's can we get on the same page?

I don't know. The correspondents on NRA TV don't seem to think that that's a feasible possibility. And I would trust them with my life because they have so many guns. Who's that satirist? Is there a Hillary Sargent on Twitter? Oh, yeah. I used to work with her. Oh, my God.

She's fucking God level trolling with gun control people. I loved it. Because did you see the thing that blew up last week when she was like the ar-15 of most of you don't know it's called that because it shoots 15 bullets at a time and this was like on a steven crowder tweet so the the man explaining the gun explaining that came in was so funny where people thought she was serious and she would clap back immediately she's like i was in the military it actually stands for armor light rifle but and she said oh i'm sorry to tell you then you've actually never fired a real ar-15 and people would be like how are you gonna tell me that posting pictures of them in uniform and these people were just the easiest shit she's like oh no

her thing was just always dismissing what they were saying was not true and that she was the only person who has fired an ar-15 i love i mean it's like uh appealing to ego like that that's a that's a dangerous game to play oh my god yeah when men start sending you selfies with their ar-15 they're like no i'm a good guy though you're like no no no no no no another one was like you yeah another one's like what about this one uh it's like this is an ak-47 she's like yeah that fires 47 bullets at a time and also that's my photo you stole nice try and also that's a dick pic sir yeah sir sir please put your gun down and change into a different rick and morty shirt thank you i do since we are closing out women's History Month, I do have to give a shout out to the NRA for their, for their outreach to women,

because I mean, they, they've really, I love how they've repackaged like female empowerment and dare I say, feminism as like ladies claim your power with this gun. It'll fit in your purse. Right. That is, that is, I mean, any time there is a month for, like, anything.

That shit drives me crazy. There was, this week, the LAPD was firing off a bunch of tweets being like, Hey, everybody, women can be complicit in police violence, too. So, like, like and subscribe. What? It's horrible. Well, they'll just, like, feature women in the police space and be like, shout out to the ladies. Oh, right.

It's so bleak. I really don't like it. Yikes. like it yikes how how like small tiny brained do you think i am that i'm gonna look at an lapd tweet and think it's feminist come on well you have a woman's size brain yeah it's true it's very small look women see women equal women feminism okay when i see a woman i agree when i see a woman feminism you know that When I see a woman, feminism. That's really the four. And also like their NRA's idea, right?

It's like, hey, you can offset the imbalance of patriarchy through violence is the solution. So then why aren't they telling that to black people too? Hey man, this white supremacy is fucked up, huh? Hey, I know how, we know how to equalize that. Get you a gun. He's fucked up, huh? Hey, I know how. We know how to equalize that. Get you a gun.

But see, it's just funny how the logic is applied to certain groups. But like, oppressed? Here's a gun. Oppressed? Take their guns away! A little lack of consistency. All right. Here's an interesting poll I'd like to read out loud for everyone a you gov yahoo news survey found that 34 of respondents said they are watching pro sports less frequently due to calls for racial justice from sports figures with 11

saying they now watch more uh but a majority more than 56 said it doesn't fucking bother them because sports because sports rock i oh like shut up this is a poll i don't believe contingency that's yeah that's i i can speak to the east coast uncle contingency they're like well i don't want to know anyone's opinions on anything like they'll try to spin it in this really disingenuine way um not mentioning that it makes them feel comfortable like uncomfortable about having their beliefs challenged and their comfort challenge but instead they're like well athletes shouldn't say what they think about things that's not why i turn my tv on and it's like well it's not about you uncle it's not about you i'm not watching the nfl anymore and then it's like, well, it's not about you, Uncle Butch. It's not about you.

I'm not watching the NFL anymore. And then it's like, you see them. They won't miss you. They're posting about how they're secretly watching it. That's what I don't understand. Like, 34% of sports fans are so racist that they will no longer watch, like, the one place where toxic masculinity can just run wild. Like, what the fuck are they going to switch to? Like, for real like if you really fuck with sports those people just that's why i'm like i don't this seems just

like a lie like you're saying that because really you're just saying that it it puts me off but at the end of the day i only know how to translate my lived experience through watching muscle-bound athletes smash into each other. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Also, how much of this, too, is maybe you're watching less sports because over the past year there have been fewer sporting events to watch. Uncle Butch. We're calling him out. Uncle Butch, the time is now. You've got to listen to this.

First time I've called him out on this very podcast. Come on, Butch, bro. You're brave, Jamie. What's his name, Bill? What's his God-given name? His God-given name? I honestly couldn't tell you. I love that.

That's better. Oh, Uncle Butch is real. Oh. Yeah. Anyway. It's not fictional. Welcome to therapy. Again, we're all in our therapist's office.

Hi, great. So, yeah, I'm still very curious. welcome to therapy again we're all in our therapist's office hi great so yeah i don't i'm still i'm very curious if uh listeners if you know someone who is so principled in their racism that up until this point they were fine watching their modern mandingo fights uh via the nfl or college football um what happened what did they switch to what are they saying they found that is filling that void is it just like combat sports or is it reading it ain't are they going to the wwe are they where where else is there to go it's you know what it is it's the same it's it's i think this poll is a version of when conservatives like pump fake with a boycott and you're like okay go ahead fool like you'll be surprised how little it does to impact

the business um and this feels like 34 percent of people like yeah you know what actually i'm i'm watching i'm turned off by this stuff this black lives matter stuff like oh my sir don't okay anyway the life of a pollster in the united states also wouldn't real fans stay tuned you know i mean that just seems like an un-fan kind of thing to do absolutely yeah like how do you you're not you're not you're no fucking fan if you got like you now i don't it's just i'm trying to find the logic path where they were okay cheering for black men or men of color women of color people of color in their sporting event because it served their team but the moment that the the spotlight is put on the inequities of it all it's like well actually that's that's just how white supremacy works that

makes sense i liked it better when we didn't talk about it. And now that we're talking about it, now I got to fucking scream about it because I don't want to be self-aware. Seeing someone take a knee is just wildly triggering, you know? Yeah, right. Wow, what an aggressive posture to take. Like, who would want to see that? Yeah, Kaepernick should have stormed the capital if you wanted to do something about it it does kind of make me wonder if um you know if that would be not to say that this contingency of sports fans would be any less racist but if the media coverage around it were less manipulative

particularly it's like if you're the kind of sports uncle that watches a game and then fucking flips to tucker carlson who's going to talk about the game you were just watching and like why you know why you're an idiot for doing right like it's just like there are there are so many uh you know popular media outlets that are you know encouraging and stoking and probably pointing out shit that might not bother someone as much and then like how could you not see how inherently wrong this is? You know, it's like there's so many factors going on. I don't know.

Yeah. That could be wrong. No, but I mean, it makes, again, everyone has their own shielded worldview based on their media consumption and gets twisted and turned in all kinds of ways. So, all right, let's take another break and we're going to work. Let's,

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Kind of. I say kind of because it's a documentary. But I'm going to put a pin in that because we have to do a little bit of research here. Or just a little bit of context. Shout out to JM, our writer, who was like, look at what's happening. There is a Chinese developer right now who is in the process of constructing a life size full scale version of the titanic um it is built in the countryside of china about 1000 miles from the sea so it is very landlocked um why is it being built nobody knows what the fuck is going on why why question joy in this way why i mean who cares

i like this photo of seeing it being built like clearly in the middle of nowhere and i like and i do you can tell what they're doing is they're building like a miniature dock so it look it will sit in water essentially so it'll look like it's in water titanic puddle yeah it's a little bathtub little foot bath for the titanic um this i mean it the shit looks massive so yes uh they are building in fact a full-scale replica uh the way it's all so there's an infomercial apparently that the developer of the like this construction site screens for visitors when they go visit and the even the the infomercial that plays doesn't answer any of those questions it's just The developer of this construction site screens for visitors when they go visit. And even the infomercial that plays doesn't answer any of those questions. It's just sort of like, this is a replica, full scale, coming soon.

Know why, who, where, what, huh? And it turns out this is actually being built by a very wealthy businessman. A businessman by the last name of name sue who is the president of a seven-star energy investment group he's just a gigantic titanic fan okay and this is a passion project this is like a cool if there i i reject people this wealthy except for this person specifically this is a fun way to use fabulous wealth this is and and also there's been other attempts to do this like over the as a long time titanic head there have been so many attempts to like get uh you know that like to create a titanic cruise ship and then take the same route as the titanic and shit like that for years i'm like i'm just so happy it's

actually happening. James Cameron didn't even get to build a full-size Titanic. He only had to go half. He's pissed. Do you think he's jealous? Yeah. He's so jealous. A little bit of war.

He seems like a bitter man. My mom was in Mexico when they shot the sinking scene and got to witness it. No way! Yeah. Or like when they had the half version coming out of the water and i remember she was like i remember as a kid i was like why are you going to mexico like for a work trip i'm like i don't want to be here with dad and she's like it's titanic and i'm like i don't know what that means and it always confused me like why it wasn't shot in the sea in mexico

and i had no idea about production then but anyway a little bit of that you should have what it was like to be there in the cold um so back to this new thing there's a new Titanic movie with James Cameron at the helm or well rather he's producing it but it's a documentary about the six Chinese survivors of the Titanic sinking. Cool. Who have gone ignored by history. This is called, the movie's called The Six. And it's just about just all the Chinese aspects

of this story that have been completely erased or not told outside of China, perhaps. So it's going to be coming out like pretty soon, actually, this April on the 109th anniversary of the Titanic. Damn, that's wild to think my grandma would have been 109. She was born two days after the Titanic sank. She lived to 102, though. She was doing all right.

Shout out, Michiko. But, you know, I think one of the reasons that we didn't get the full story about these six Chinese survivors is you guessed it, racism. The men were in steerage, where their survival rate was only about 20%. And once they arrived in the US,

they were detained and deported due to the Chinese Exclusion Act. These motherfuckers survived the sinking off the Titanic, being pulled out the water. They got to the U.S. Were they put in another boat? Yeah, and they said, y'all are out of here. No, we're not doing this.

Holy shit. The other thing that JM notes is that other passengers were given medical treatment and they were denied medical treatment. It was like an immediate, like, nope, nope, nope. You already know. You can't be here. Can't be here. Here's your ticket. Goodbye. So yes, this is like a very American telling of this story. But another really interesting bit was that James Cameron originally had a scene or a shot where a Chinese man was rescued from a wooden plank, but they cut it from the theatrical version. Are they going to release it in the new movie? I know.

Shouldn't that be like the new Snyder Cut? It's just like, put back the little weird bit of Asian representation there was in this film. In a four-hour movie. Wow. I had no idea this was going to happen. This is so fucking cool.

Yeah. Another mind-blowing thing, James Cameron used the story of one of the passengers fang lang who survived on a floating door as oh you guessed it inspiration for jack and rose's final scene so you're taken from them and you still we didn't know this james james needs to make this right i'm glad he needs to make this right. Yeah. This is so,

oh my God, that's this. I, I can't put into words how excited I am to watch this. I hope it's like, it will be widely available. Shoot, reshoot the film,

but splice in these, like this is a much more interesting story than the made up rich white lady who threw her ocean or necklace. Yeah. But hey, 96, 97. interesting story than the made-up rich white lady who threw her ocean or necklace in the sea but hey 96 97 this is where they're at but yeah and then he released james cameron did another uh documentary about titanic that i called ghosts of the abyss did you see that oh that was like the one that went back down into the sea right like yeah submersible one he's just really in love with titanic the ship and he's got so much money but this is this is like a story i've never heard about before this is i'm so happy this is like gonna be released equal parts

interesting and horrifying so you get your good and your bad. But yeah, to know that that's based off of this other person's true life is really mind-blowing. Yeah. Jamie, as a resident Titanic head, I don't know if you'll know the answer to this, but I am curious. Was the Titanic such a badass ship that we would want to make so many replicas of it? Because it just seems like, why do we would want to make so many replicas of it because it just seems like why do we keep trying to replicate the titanic if it is this the dumbest question to ask no i think it's i i i don't know if speculating i feel like it's a number of things i feel like it's like a at least for us right now it's just enough in the distant past where it feels like, I don't know, like it, does that make, am I making sense here?

Like it was just long enough ago that people aren't like, this is ghoulish. This tastes ghoulish. Yeah. Like, so it's been, you know, whatever, almost 110 years. I feel like the way that the movie presented it was so romantic and also the like yeah the because most of the titanic media even like before the james cameron movie were all either it's like you're into it because of like the whole like the ship angle and like the ego angle and the and and that side of it or it's like you saw like there's like a night to remember in the 50s and

then the james cameron movie and just like it was all so like romantic and glamorous too yeah yeah and it always and i feel like this is like part of what this documentary will hopefully remedy but it it was always focused on like the rich people um and the stories were always like this tragic, like, Oh my God, this millionaire died. It's so sad. And it's so, I feel like the, the truly tragic parts of it are like sound like the stories of like the six and those were completely erased.

And it was kind of made to be like almost this novelty thing. Right. I don't know. Wild. I have't know. Wild. I have a Titanic hoodie coming in the mail right now. So this is, this is thrilling. Caitlin and I are recording our annual Titanic episode next week.

Damn. There we go. Then you can talk about that. Cause I just only recently knew that the, like the one black man that was on the Titanic. But Hey, look, we got so many stories we can tell after this.

But I think for me, the reason I want to see it is like, I kind of want to see it. Like, I just want to see it. I think that's my fascination. And I think for me, it's truly like the glitz of it,

of being like, Oh, look, a bunch of people would have not allowed me to eat in here in real life. But I thank you for having me. And I think it's just like all the white gloved shit, I think is like what, I think people just have this romanticized view of the 1910s,

I guess. Chandeliers on a boat. What? Yeah. Wow. Dancing? Look, look. That's a chandelier.

Yes, on a boat. We must see that. People like the idea of Billy Zane on a boat. That's really chandelier. Yes, on a boat. We must see that. People like the idea of Billy Zane on a boat. That's really what it all boils down to. Yeah, it keeps the memory going strong. I just want to add a couple things before we go out. First, just this quick story. I hate to bring up Sharon Osbourne again, but she's actually getting between five and ten million dollars for being racist.

Oh, great. So that's great. And that's the only way I'll talk about this story. She's like, this is from page six. Sharon is walking away with a five to ten million dollar minimum payout and was able to spin that. It was her decision to leave the show. Cool. Then they also say when she's Sharon will talk when she's ready.

She still wants to give her side of the story. She has been at the show for 11 years and knows all the secrets i'm like this shit again about the i know we the thing about you was that you were saying wild racist shit before this you were the problem it wasn't the the show oh my god um so yeah just for people who are talking about council culture this motherfucker just got an eight-figure racist reparations payout package so So I'm sorry. Where's the damage done here? She was racist and got a pay. Like, I don't know how to draw a clearer line to that. But check out her new show with Piers Morgan called How Is That Racist?

Coming soon. Good luck to them. God bless them. God protect these fabulously wealthy racists. I just love to see an older woman who's still culturally relevant. You know, it's just... Jesus.

The one benefit, right? I mean, let's hold to that. Okay, and now let's just wrap this up. Let's just take a quick trip to the theater to look at two new or stage productions well not one's not new one was about to happen but the pandemic messed it up um that are being talked about and i don't know if i want to see them out of some morbid curiosity or not

um the first one is game of thrones stage production no oh boy no thank you come on well i would like to see the red wedding on stage maybe oh you get like a splash guard for the audience it would be like uh that scene in adam's family values when uh they're like just got that blood squirting off stage in the school play just getting over everybody uh yeah i don't know what the fuck this is gonna be i mean this is what they say the play will be set during what the production is calling a pivotal moment in the history of this series. Oh, thank you for the specificity. Oh, that's so vague.

It's only five trillion pages long. We'll feature many of the well-known characters from this series. Just the white ones, though, according to the directors. So that's cool. I couldn't be less interested. Okay. So Game of Thrones, I'm like, okay, we get it. Like, you guys are so horny for the IP that you'll do fuck.

When's the next thing? Like a ESL language study course that's all Game of Thrones theme? Like, they can't stop trying to iterate on this shit. You know, they probably already have like college courses on it that people are going into debt for. For some reason. I hate this shit um then okay the next one what about diana the musical uh this was supposed to fully debut in march of 2020 but maybe the universe or something conspired against it i don't know

but they are now returning to the stage and there's also going to be like the production will be available like to the greater Netflix audience. Wow. It's about it's Princess Diana, the musical. And we talked about it like I think a while back, like this was back in 2019 when we first heard about it. And we were like, is do we how do we I just saw the crown and it did not seem like something you'd make a musical out of. This intrigues me. I'm like, you know what? I'm listening.

I feel like because the central character is so compelling, it be good yeah it's weird the reviews the initial reviews when they had the preview were a mix of meh with a little it's kind of fun and campy and quote we didn't need this to be a musical but whatever was like sort of the sentiment um because a lot of people were like well this didn't need to happen british audience are going to eat this up um yeah i just in my head i'm like well if evita could work you know why why not diana the the musical but also i'm sure that there's been a million attempts to replicate evita's success that uh sucked yeah i just wanna I can't wait for the soundtrack to that. Because you know there's going to be a song called The People's Princess. Probably towards

the end there's a song called Let's Take a Drive in Paris. Oh yes. Oh no. Yeah, that's going to be such, does the musical end with her and Dodie getting in a car? Where do you take it? Where do you take it?

Where do you cut it off? Where do you do it to avoid? You know there's going to be like baby William and Harry being like, mommy, mommy. And then everyone's going to be like, oh. Oh, maybe it ends with Candle in the Wind, the Elton John version that he's saying at the funeral and yes i do still have my people magazine commemorative issue from uh from the funeral because i was obsessed with prince william as a child wow who i think was recently voted hottest bald man well that is a no that's a fucking lie that's rude i'm sorry that's i mean if you need any proof that polls and studies are fucked up, that is, he's got to be in the bottom two percentile.

Yeah. Unfortunately. They say that this may be dubious, the report, which I hope it is because it's the bald community is not fucking with this. You know what I mean? A lot of people on the Internet was demanding justice for Stanley Tucci. Yes. I think it's, I think it's all going to Stanley Tucci's head.

I think we got to be careful with how much we pump up Stanley Tucci. I can see it taking a weird turn. Oh, the Tucci. We can't lose the Tucci. Can't lose the Tucci. But like, let's,

we can give him other plot. We don't, don't, don't gas him up as sexy as bald man alive like yeah duane the rock johnson i think maybe he seems like the safe choice considering like he is angling for president at probably 2032 based on that tv show that he has out that yeah interesting little rock or young rock or whatever it's called it's not it's like not a bad show but it is you're like oh this is the this is the roll-up to something something else well in the thing he's running for president in 2032 you know yeah he's talking to randall park in every episode just like oh shit anyway um so yeah i don't know i mean i think we'll i'll definitely check out the musical because i'm

curious how you can based on the depth of despair that i've seen interwoven into this story and knowing what it was really like versus like my childish you know 90s idea of what princess diana was i'm like how do you how do you do this the right way or maybe just so campy that we're like i don't know forget of all the psychological trauma of just being you know fucked with by the royal family i hope it focuses on her that would be kind of cool i i recently went through the whole um you're wrong about season on princess diana and really loved it and there's definitely she was there i i had i had so many false ideas about her.

Right. That series corrected. So hopefully they did it well. But if not, I'm still going to watch it. So just as theater fans, how do we see the People's Princess musical number working out? Is it a is it a street scene with like it's a chorus number and people are like holding newspapers? I think it's a street scene sort of like in Beauty and the Beast when like Belle is walking through the town

and people are kind of popping out of the shops. But this is when she, wasn't she like a teacher first? So she like leaves, you know, little children are trailing her and like Diana's coming.

Diana, Diana, the people's princess. Something like that. Yeah, it's going to be in the street and then it's like there's gonna be a little like oh I forget what the musical term for this is but like Prince Charles is gonna be

on the side like why doesn't anybody like me and then it'll go back to the chorus I mean it kind of writes itself y'all I mean this is actually now making a lot more sense now that we're workshopping this it better be so campy that it's just absolutely disrespectful to her.

I feel like that's the version that I'm like, I don't know. This seems like they Disney-fied it, but this is what they do. I don't know how you can. That's again, the elegance will be how they managed to thread the needle of it being like campy musical while also respecting what her lived experience was without like obscuring it but i believe it could be done but then i'm like i don't know is that a musical i want you know and obviously you know because we want to tell the right story about princess diana but like you know do we just keep it all saccharine you know who knows yeah Yeah. All right. Well, we will find out because it'll be available on October 1st. So, Kristen, we'll have to have you back in about seven.

What is that? Four months, six months. What's time? Who knows? I can't wait. I can't wait. Yeah, it's good. I mean, I'm looking I'm hoping for some awesome set shit because like that's why I really like the Shrek musical because of how awesome the the set mechanicry mechanicry i'm by fuck with the theater heavy with that terminology but yeah i love those

set changes uh in that one so yeah let's hope they got the same people from the shrek musical to do the diana musical i mean what we've talked to today but shrek the musical is so underrated everyone thinks you're joking around when you say you like it but then you watch it and you're like wait holy shit i'm crying this is so beautiful it's so good i couldn't believe when you said to watch it and i did and i'm like and i hate musicals i was like this one this is kind of interesting aside from like kind of the tasteless couple tasteless jokes that yes somehow got in there they should uh cut those from the netflix cut i don't know why the fuck those are still there probably because the uh homophobia is said in a rhythmic way they're like well it would disrupt the song to remove the homophobia you're like well let's just do it

yeah anyway uh so yes we'll keep our eyes on that and the west end and broadway as those productions hit uh i think game of thrones is for 2023 or something like that. But either way, Kristen, it's been so great having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Thank you for stopping by. Where can people find you and follow you and listen to you, support you? You can't. Well, first of all, thank you for having me on. And you can find me and Unladylike everywhere at Unladylike Media.

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I don't know, vibrators selling weed um what else why are those two things that come to mind i'm there yeah just those two things then come to a lady like i am that venn diagram vibrators and selling weed and what's a tweet that you've liked is there something on Twitter you'd like to call out? Something you've enjoyed, gave you a chuckle? Yes, I have a seasonal tweet from Moira Donegan, who I think yesterday maybe tweeted, Like the cicada population,

I too will be emerging from hibernation this summer to feel the sun on my face and scream. Oh man, it's what the the x cicada x or whatever the fuck is gonna hit uh what is it all over the east coast i know in maryland and dc it's definitely going it's hitting there really oh yeah that's where i'm from and she was having this like realization she's like it's been 17 years they are coming back it's like what are you talking about i still i'm like where the hell did the murder hornets go have they just been like in and like are they just waiting are they just waiting they're plotting i'll go outside again yeah they're in uh they're in like cancelvania with the feral hogs the 40 to 50 feral hogs

they're all they're on that big big menagerie in the sky uh jamie what's uh where can people find you and follow you and support you what's a tweet that you like uh you can find me on twitter.com at jamie loftus help instagram jamie christ superstar and i'll shout out i guess like this is the core core message. I'm going to shout out a series of Marianne Williamson tweets. Because last night she was just tweeting, tweeting, tweeting about birds, birds, birds. She was tweeting pictures of birds and her thoughts on them. There's a, I don't know anything about birds. I'm sure that there are a lot of serious bird issues.

She needs to collab with katie golden i was about to say i was like katie would know better than i would about the whole bird situation but she i mean marianne i i feel like you know she really has been on a fun redemption arc uh she attaches a picture of a gorgeous bird couldn't tell you more uh it says i hate to have to tell you this but industrialized farming has destroyed half of the world's bird population how dare we and that was just what she fired off at like 11 at night from her mansion i love that like in between talking about like whatever the imagine a world with no hunger and but birds i mean i wonder if she just like

watches documentaries and she just like watches documentaries and she's like oh shit i gotta tweet about this you know about half the birds you've seen sea spirit yet yeah she's gonna yeah she's gonna watch blackfish and be like god what are we doing what what are we doing what are we doing or tilikum whatever the name was of the that whale shout out to mariannene and her bird concerns. Oh, man. Some tweets that I am enjoying. First one is from Noah Garfinkel

at Noah Garfinkel. Tweeted, waited in line for four hours for a vaccine and then when I got behind the privacy thing, they gave me a Lunchables and said, just eat this real fast. There's no virus. Do not try to get your vaccine at an abandoned Toys R Us. Why that whole setup was so absurd.

Another one, Sabrina at Sabrina Fawn tweeted every day. Megan McCain, daughter of a senator and heiress of the Anheuser-Busch fortune, goes on TV and tells Whoopi and Sonny, who both grew up in the projects, how elitist they are. So love that one. And then one more at Ian Paul at ian paul duke's tweets quote at least you're keeping busy end quote yeah i'd hate to be relaxing for one second which is a thing we always at least you're keeping busy no that's not always the thing that we need so yeah i felt that one. You can find me at MilesOfGrey

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episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes. Thank you. And that's where I was going to post the episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes. Thank you. And that's where I was going to post the song that we're going to write out on. And the track that we're going to write out on today is another remix from Nick Bike, the man from Canada. But this one is Addiction, Kanye West. And it's just like it got a good four on the floor house vibe to it.

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