The Daily Zeitgeist - BiTrend Drops Out (Feat. Aymann Ismail)7/22: Joe Biden, Republican National Convention, 'Twisters'

Episode Date: July 22, 2024

In this edition of BiTrend Drops Out, Jack, Miles and special guest Aymann Ismail discuss their respective weekends, Joe Biden dropping out of the presidential race, the vibes at the Republican National Convention, 'Twisters' taking over the box office and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

it was just so funny i kept telling how bad that guy was yeah but also during the movie i kept fucking with her majesty i'm going oh dude dude another dude just got sucked off by the torn oh they just they're getting sucked right off by these tornadoes i don't know what people have to get sucked off into the sky yeah sucked off it was i think it's the only way to describe it it truly just like just been sucked off oh they sucked off that poor mother and i blamed myself for the way he got sucked off under the overpass is everyone so stupid like how the part i really had trouble grasping was like that these sort of hobbyist storm chasers are also responsible for like crisis response like guys you got to get to a fucking basement now. Where are the authorities? Why is that on you? People are still out

at a parade or a fair, just juggling. Children are doing the knock-the-bottle-over game as a tornado bears down on them. The siren goes off five minutes before? That's a movie. That's what I'm sorry, though. The siren goes off five minutes before?

Yeah. All right. But look, that's a movie. That's what I love about a movie. Yeah. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series

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that very little would happen over the weekend and that we would want a RNC recap to kind of go over what happened at the RNC. We're bringing in

one of our favorite guests from the show, an award-winning Slate Magazine staff writer. You've seen his work a couple places. I don't know, CNN, the New York Times, I guess. NPR, GQ, Columbia Journalism Review. It's Eamon Ismail. Eamon! What's up, man?

What's up? What's up? Assalamu alaikum, brothers hey look this is what i'm thinking man we were gonna have you we're thinking oh look the rnc is happening this is the perfect timing trump gave his speech you weren't able to cover it i watched the whole thing and then boom boom boom we're here monday and trump's speech was going to be so electric yeah that nobody was going to be able to talk about anything else. But you know what?

I think it's important because even though Biden dropped out, I think it is important. What? Oh, shit. Yeah, my bad. Spoilers. We were going to reveal that to you in such a fun way just now. Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad. But yeah, no, I think it is important, even though, you know, obviously the main news about Biden stepping down to also understand, like, where the Republicans left off before this, because they're also having a bit of a reaction to the announcement about Biden dropping out. So I think still relevant.

But then we figured, damn, like, let's just get just get aiming on. We'll just we'll chop up, chop up. Yeah, man, chop it up. Never, never a bad idea to have aiming. I think it's so funny that i i had this hunch that the biden campaign waited until after the rnc to drop this news it's like nobody everybody forgot about the rnc the second that news dropped it felt a little bit like yes family matters kendrick after or i'm sorry meet the grams after the family matters video came out from drake

he's like well we just dropped the video this beef is over and then it's like trying to strike a chord and it's probably a minor and now like everybody is so upset like on the right they're like but but it's supposed to be biden uh and biden's still in the back like minor yeah you lied they lied uh but yeah i i figured well we'll just yeah so you are usual you're on a ride along and then we're gonna get to your recap of the rnc um but we up first usually miles and i uh you know tell people a little bit what we're up to what we're thinking about by doing our own overrated underrated. This is a unique position you're in as a guest who gets to be here for our

overrated underrated. And you can really just talk shit. Yeah. About how bad it is. Be like, Oh, they better be hot. Fuck.

All right. Give me a second, man. Let me make these hotter. All right. I think I got a hot. Dial it up miles you want to kick us off with uh something you think is overrated i think it's on everyone's mind it's something this is to do with the biden announcement i think the the quote

relief that democrats are feeling around biden's announcement feels a bit overrated like it's like oh like the the reaction is is as if they're like oh well now we've won because it was just biden that was the only problem it was that biden was old um and i get it yes biden is so old that it causes viewers like myself to have like an existential panic about my own mortality um but i don't think again he wasn't the best main character to have in the story around the fight for the soul of america but again i'm not sure that this solves all of the election issues instantly like the way i was hearing the relief on msnbc like i mean this changes everything now and i and it does to a certain extent obviously like polling wise she does poll better than joe biden but there's still like

but what policies is kamala running on like the same different more progressive more moderate to offset the potential racism and misogyny in the in the voting bloc of the united states is you know i get biden's visible decline was like basically one dimension of a larger issue regarding electability in this election in my opinion it wasn't purely down to like well if joe biden just wasn't old everyone would be like great he's the person rather than addressing a lot of the things that people were screaming about in their day-to-day lives that they want a president to talk about and not just be like trump is so bad um so i i think yes on paper good but does this solve anything tbd i'm very good um on paper

fine but this we don't live on paper baby we live in blood world yeah my overrated was leaving this decision i mean uh i was nervous this weekend like i so So I am feeling the relief. I also felt the immediate buyer's remorse that I think everybody else felt where they're like, uh-oh, did we do a bad? By being behind the narrative of must replace, I don't think I've gotten over the buyer's remorse part of it and just been like, this motherfucker couldn't. It wasn't just existential crisis like seeing someone who's old. It was like just a crisis of like just not being able to like seeing somebody who couldn't land the plane on a single sentence. You know, like any of the sentences I spent a lot of this weekend. You guys know Oliver Sacks.

Like he wrote Awakenings, that movie that had Robert De Niro in it. He also later in his life wrote a lot about... He was a doctor who worked with people with very specific brain injuries. And one of his famous books at the end of later on, early 2000s, was The Man Who Mist mistook his wife for a hat i think it was called um and it was like the thing you would kind of come up against in these case studies of people with neurological injuries or just you know neurological disorders is they like their brain blocked out the fact that they were diminished in any way like you like he would include these

parts where like he would have a pre-interview with the person so this this person who like literally tried to grab his wife's head and put it on his head like a hat, the intro to that part, Oliver Sacks is like, what seems to be the matter? And the guy's like, nothing that I know of. There's something wrong with my eyes. And he's like, but you don't recognize any problems? No, not directly, but I occasionally make mistakes. I kept thinking about that over the

weekend thinking about joe biden like being the one who's in charge of deciding if he could like continue forward with this that like i don't like that later on like minutes after he's like i don't know what everybody's making a big deal about i'm good here now let me put my hat on he goes he so he has to take his shoe off oliver sax has to take his shoe off to do this like um exam where you like tickle the bottom yeah tickle the bottom of the foot and then he he goes back to like doing his doctor thing taking notes and shit and then he looks over and the dude still hasn't put his shoe back on. And he's like, can I help you? And he's like, help what help who he's like,

help you put your shoe on. And he's like, ah, I'd forgotten the shoe, the shoe, the shoe. But he like seems confused. And he's like,

the shoe, could you like put it on? And then he is like, wait, so this is my shoe. Yes. and he like points to his own foot but like so it's just and this is like a guy who's like a you know music professor he's it's just our brains are really bad at noticing when there there's something going on in our own brains. We should not be in charge of deciding, trying to fix the broken instrument with the broken instrument

is how I've heard it described. People who are like, I got this. I get it. Who knows me better than myself? And it's like, literally everyone at this point knows you better than yourself um so i don't know i was very nervous heading into the weekend so that is why i felt enormous relief when he came to the same conclusion i think the way he came to the conclusion seems to be that he's like all these motherfuckers sandbagged me and made it so that I can't win anymore.

And so like that, that's how we got there. Um, but it like, it's, I am relieved that we got there because it was just bad. It was, it was a bad situation,

um, that, that we were in with him him like kind of being in charge of deciding the ultimate authority on like whether whether he was still up to it yeah or i yeah it almost feels like the thing it's like we'll make it seem like he's gonna have to make that decision but everything around him just like you gotta go you gotta go you gotta go it's like yeah i might have to go oh really okay well yeah if you want to do that yeah go ahead dude that's cool with us it's cool with us i think it's kind of like our fault though you know because we knew he was old as hell the last election and so the way that this works is that he gets a mandate from the people and the

people give him the power so he can be the person to make those decisions he probably shouldn't have decided to run but then that was still his mandate and then the fact that we're not going to have a primary scares the shit out of me like the fact that it's too late to to bring to have an election essentially to choose who the next candidate's going to be so now it's not only are we trying to, to like muscle Biden out, we also put him in this position where he needs to anoint the next person. Yeah. And that, that's the scary part to me. The fact that there's,

they're going to essentially decide who the candidate is and there, there's going to be a convention of course, but it's, it's, it's not going to be the same as having like a countrywide election. It's like, well, and I think,

yeah, that's where a lot of the the ills were just you know brought to us by the fact that like the machine had to protect biden for so long and even like to your point when people like dude he looks old man what the fuck is this and it's funny though the same people who are like biden needs to step down were the same people a few months ago being like i spoke with the president and he is sharper than a fucking exacto knife i got buck 50 just kissing him on the cheek this is how sharp this man is like no and now you're like this motherfucker gotta go it's hard to like square all that too and be like no you know you

were fucking trying to convince us also yeah so everybody had to do this thing where i think suddenly it's like well fuck, fuck, we fucked up. What are we going to do? Like, he's got to go rather than again, looking at how we even got here because there's no, like to your point, I mean,

like we didn't have a fucking primary. So even when the Republicans are like, they subverted the will of the people. I'm like, that happened when they blew up the primary schedule. Yeah. That's, that's when that happened.

Not because of this shit. It happened well before this, but yeah. Will there be like that kind? I mean, that's, you'd hope there's some kind of reck it happened well before this but yeah will there be like that kind i mean that's you'd hope there's some kind of reckoning to understand like yeah that wasn't good we need to be more honest about the candidates that were running um rather than just sort of doubling down on the fact that we don't want to take l's publicly and now yeah this and then as it stands i mean it looks like a lot of the people are coalescing around Kamala Harris, but like there's still room for some fucking weird like Joe Manchin's like, I'm not going to run.

You're like, nobody asked you. What are you talking about, bro? Joe Manchin, get out of here, bro. Well, he specifically said he was thinking about running right back in like a couple months ago. I don't know. Three years ago. News cycle time. But yeah, I just don't like him being like, well,'t know three three years ago news cycle time but yeah i just don't like him being like well you know i'm not thinking about it it is with a heavy heart

that i've come to the conclusion that i shouldn't run for it's like yeah no man we're good thank you yeah i mean that kind of it kind of what we're talking about ties into my underrated which was like how long this was what people wanted. Cause like, there does seem to be, I've heard from the, like, uh,

you know, Biden hardliners and people who were like, fuck you. If you think Biden should bow out this logic. And I think it's what he has kind of glommed onto that. This was like an overthrow from the elites you know that like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and Barack Obama got together and sandbagged him with all this criticism and like democratic voter like a majority of democratic voters were asking for him not to run uh in july 2023 over a year ago before the primaries before the debate a time sienna poll found democratic primary voters

by 50 to 45 percent preferred the party nominate someone other than biden in 2024 um there are like predictions markets that were like pretty clear on like that biden should step down and was probably going to have to step down for a long time like right after the debate they were like all right this is a fucking rap this guy's gonna have to step down so like acting like it's this elite top-down thing just seems fucking misguided but again it also seems like it was just like how he had to justify it to himself but i think i was saying this last week is how the the way the party set up they don't listen to the people they only listen to the elites they only listen to the donors so like even with that polling there these are the same people like no he's sharp and then they're like fuck he ain't sharp yo he gotta go and it's like well you you were the

fucking one y'all are the ones who were saying it was the elites were the ones now is it yeah yeah you you you you change the primary schedule to protect your chosen candidate and joe biden so there is a lot of like it it's just like you're seeing at many levels kind of how the the like most political parties operate where it's like well yeah we know we know we need your vote but like the real decisions we're kind of making them up here because we're standing to make or gain or lose the most but why would they even entertain listening to the people? I mean, as soon as they're in office, their whole goal is not to serve the people, but to stay in

office. Yeah, sure, sure. I'm thinking about Jamal Bowman and how he just got voted out after AIPAC, which is like a right-leaning organization that openly criticizes and calls for Trump to be elected and is very right-wing

and has become increasingly right-wing over the years just flooded his campaign run with with he gave his opponent more money than they've ever spent in any campaign in history yeah and they voted him out and you know for someone like him he's representing the bronx in new york uh he might personally feel like he's you the people, but then they just replaced him. So I think, yeah, it's like, ideally, we would have these people come in and just say, you know what, F the elites, I'm going to come in

and I'm just going to represent the people, I'm here for the people. But they're just going to get steamrolled, man. To some degree, they've got to play the game. Because you want to find somebody who's really apt at playing the game, can flip it on its head, and make the elites fight each other and just feel stupid for not representing the people. I mean, I hate to say it, but we need somebody more like Trump on the left. Because that's exactly what he does, man.

He came out of left field. He's like, you know what? These elites are crazy. I'm going to drain the swamp. Even though he didn't personally believe it, even though he is kind of an elite himself. Right, yeah, of course. That message was crazy effective, and that allowed him to overpower some of what the right wing was trying to push on his campaign.

And then that kind of gave him more power than the elite. It was kind of an incredible thing. Yeah. I just wish we could pull something off like that on the left. Yeah, well, it's like, because for them, it's like white grievance it's like like white grievance politics is like the like the greatest engine of all time it's like dude if i can just tap into that specifically the other issues kind of melt away if i keep reminding them they're like we need

to be back on top everybody like yeah okay yeah just imagine somebody like with bernie sanders's values but with trump's attitude like right right right yeah i mean they're not giving a fuck of it all yeah yeah yeah but i think that's that's like the hard bit right is to if you're that out there because so many people if you start playing the game people like look they fucking collapse they play like sometimes especially for progressives on the left the the game can't be played with at all um but that's the shitty part of being on the hill is like it's that it is what it is or you'll just you'll just be like a one term hit or quitter kind of person um which sucks but yeah yeah that's the state of things you know

it kind of feels like joe biden was this a person who's trying to like 100 the game and then kamala was like in the way he's like no no we got to shut this down look at you you're getting all kind of crazy he just wanted to complete it man he just wanted to get through and get that that trophy at the end yeah just like just like you guys are saying man he just was not up for it no nah yeah battle box saying battle box over was like i was like oh come on oh yeah like any if you if you're having buyer's remorse if you're a democrat was like yeah but now we have a new candidate like is this was this a like a bad decision um just like go back and watch one of his interviews

watch the complex interview like the complex interview with speedy was the one that got did you see that did he yeah biden was just like a raw dog come on joe these glasses are not unbreakable go ahead snap them joe go ahead snap i don't care he's dealt with a lot of cognitive dissonance uh from rj to joe biden yeah yeah speedy you've seen it all miles we didn't get your underrated what's your underrated explaining memes and tiktok trends to your parents uh underrated it's just a fun exercise honestly my dad stopped by last night to hang out with the baby and i always do like a show and tell with him i'm like i show him like some music videos

i'm like oh you know because he's like a visual artist i'm like oh you're gonna fuck with this music video you're gonna fuck with this director this track's dope whatever and then and then inevitably I'm like I got my phone out I'm like showing him some tick tocks that I'm laughing at he he's like what truly like what is this like what is this um but like when my son is like do you know how how big the destroyer is from uh clone wars and just talking for like five minutes straight and then like pauses and i'm realizing that like he just asked me a question about like what he's like quizzing me i'm just like you're like i don't know he's like i told you it's it's at least seven corellian cruisers you're like exactly fuck man i forgot you do much better

yeah oh yeah i would be like a hypothetical well your name is probably so sharp i would just pass like words right back to him be like that ain't that's that's not accurate i'm like oh shit you found me out exactly i'm a fucking lion ass adult another lion ass adult but anyway it was just funny too because like just like the process the exercise of trying to synthesize a meme for a boomer so they can understand like what cultural touch points like they're hitting to like sort of like make it funny it's just like it was i had to use new parts of my brain to be like how do i explain this foreign language to another person with like their vocabulary so it hits the right way um anyway good a good good exercise for people who want to see how good or bad their ability to articulate

a meme to someone older is but a fun challenge nonetheless i enjoyed it so yeah make your parents confused and explain a tick talk to them all right let's uh Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church,

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iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you stream podcasts and we're back we're back and again so it was days after let's do a little tiktok of the weekend of when we all found out okay that was just yesterday oh i'm sorry we're doing it doing the making the stallion japanese rap trend sorry guys I'm trying to explain everything on TikTok and we all know what that is and immediately got the right stuff so immediately after catching cover you know a couple days after catching covet I guess and refusing to wear a mask uh which is his presidential prerogative and we're just to let him do whatever he wants well he did end covid as he said so that's right that's his pride i ended covid man what do you find somebody else

he uh we're gonna allow it because he did ultimately make the right decision drop out of the presidential race and uh then he immediately endorsed kamala harris um which big news for the democratic party uh devastating news for wolf blitzer who is happily downing wolf spritzers at a dc bar before he like literally there's a picture of him moments before the news did you see that amen yeah i literally was just looking at it this morning it's so funny enjoying a wolf spritzer at el presidente restaurant here in dc and then classic like an hour later blitzer i'm on there so by this dropped out of the race as a matter of fact there's no comma harris we're gonna get more from our caitlin collins on the ground? You look unhappy to be there.

I don't know why. It feels like CNN has just been like, if it's breaking news, Wolf Blitzer needs to be. That's the only way we know the news is important, is if Wolf is there. Oh, they got Wolf on this? Yeah, they got got wolf on this I personally let the man drink his wolf spritzers and stay off the television they should have let him drink it

on camera and wolf you're about three deep and pretty shit faced at this point is that correct I wouldn't say I'm too fucked up right now. Yeah. But.

You're like, oh, no. Yeah. Everybody was the Twitter, Linda Yaccarino, retweeting that thing being like Biden's announcement being like X where history happens is like full. He posted that everywhere. Yeah. Because he was like, I respect the fuck out of x because apparently they're already like it sounds like kamala harris's uh like like her campaign account is getting throttled like the amount of like followers it can get on x yeah on x so elon musk is doing his part without dropping 45 million

a month quite yet or maybe he has but yeah x where history happens for sure yeah um republicans are calling on biden to step down arguing that he's not fit to if he's not fit to campaign he's not fit to serve as president um which was a question that i think popped into a lot of people's minds probably right away um but i don't know that's a distraction because we we just had big news democrats solved all their problems uh and we can move along and nominate mitt mit romney at the way okay twist legitimately aaron sorkin was like all right so here's my here's my like third act twist for this bad boy yeah what's he saying like if i were writing this like the west wing yes you're like okay go on how would you do it if this was a jam our writer jam was pointing out that um

like he may be on to something but instead of just any like old republican who's already lost why not do the one who has won recently and nominate trump you know because they'd never see that coming yeah and even if trump, he would be winning Democrats. He would also be losing. Yeah. And in many ways, isn't that... Losing, but in reality, in the White House. Yeah.

So I don't know about that one. But perfectly timed. He dropped the, they should nominate Romney like hours before the Biden announcement and Biden's endorsement of harris and then he threw his support behind he was like my bad i was wrong about the idea to cop like these like lib brained uh jen whatever he is like can't get past the idea of like triangulation like what if joe lieberman was the vice president yeah what if john mccain they live in a world where yeah they they believe

all of these people are like benevolent actors you know what i mean and not really coming to the reality of it they're all shrewd operators rather than like yeah man that's a good guy who can heal the nation because this is again not a TV show and we're we're in a very extreme reality compared to that but yeah like what's what's the idea are they just trying to draw Republican middle ground voters or something is that the place yeah exactly yeah that's not a good plan have you met no it's such a bad plan and it's also like terrible tv because like mitt romney's boring as fuck so like why would that be good i mean it would be surprising for a second but then everybody's gonna vote trump because he has an r in front of his name what makes you think

they're gonna vote for anyone with a letter d right even trump somehow they'd be like nah can't do it he's a democrat not not even trump i can't do it as for like how things go from here on out uh seems like no one really knows there's gonna be a lot of people confidently telling you they know but um biden is the first presumptive nominee of a major party to quit the race after the primaries have concluded um so it's it's gonna be a mess yeah i don't know if it's gonna be you know if the delegates all go to kamala if it turns into an all-out brawl uh it's i mean as it stands definitely like i said earlier the support seems to be like you know all coming to her side uh and the fundraising certainly is i think it's something like fucking 64 million in 12 hours yesterday yeah um was an

obscene amount of money but yeah i i don't i don't even know we're still we're still trying to figure out who the running mate's gonna be yeah yeah here and did you did you guys not see that thing on twitter where it said Tammy Baldwin was going to be in it because one of the FEC filings changes changed it to the Biden-Baldwin victory fund? Really? I was like, wait.

This is a twist. But it could also be nothing. I don't know. Yeah, that's... Wow. I did not see that coming. Tammy Baldwin. That's a good pick wisconsin yeah yeah right it's like it was either that plausible or what they go with andy basheer

like the democratic governor of kentucky who they feel like can kind of go after jd vance's like appalachia cred uh and you know do battle. I don't know. There's so much moving little pieces around and seeing where things are going to happen. Yeah. Are we sure it's not Harris Baldwin as in Hilaria Baldwin?

Or Alec? Alec Baldwin? I mean, he brings a certain Trumpiness of just like not guilty, y'all got to feel me type energy to the ticket. He's not Trump, but he played Trump on TV once. Yeah, he did.

Yeah, he's Jack Donaghy, basically. That would just be so wild if we're finding out it's Tammy Baldwin because the paperwork before they announced it. Fuck. I'm not ready to believe it but if it ends up being tammy baldwin i'm gonna be like wow i cannot yeah i yeah i mean like the all logic i mean you saw the jokes on twitter where everyone

was taking foot like taking photos from like the wine sections of different places are like exciting whites and they're like so this is a list of kamala's vp pics are like trustworthy white full-bodied white yeah exactly everyone is kind of doing a joke on that construction on on twitter um like yeah yesterday but uh yeah i i that would be interesting i mean wow go for it let's see let's see where this goes but are the policies what are the policies that's the other part i'm more on that later um let's let's just do the rat race it's gonna be like but i'm not trump and yeah yeah but what else he's so not trump i'm not him uh yeah but did i say i'm not trump okay okay anything else i'm not vance oh okay probably a minor yeah

it's just like flash pictures of trump with epstein did you see somebody cut a video they said commonly needs to run this as an ad and someone just cut the not like us video to have like images of trump and genius oh that's stupid and they're like they're just gonna confuse and enrage the elderly in like the midwest they're like yeah well you know a couple pretty good ads that have been i've i've seen them be like look at look how quickly the harris campaign got their shit together and i don't think they're actually ads from the harris campaign but no they're the one was probably from the primary like i know they were they were running one of her pride like when she was running

like 20 in 2020 uh-huh uh what like one of those ads that felt like timeless now you're like oh when was this made now yeah but they dropped coffee mugs immediately. So I'm just wondering, like, was there a graphic designer working on coffee mug designs earlier this week who had a better sense of what was about to happen than like White House staffers did? Because there's a lot of people who are like, absolutely not. He's not going anywhere. You can mark my work i mean if look if this i don't like no shade to this graphic designer i know it's a very hard job but this doesn't look like the hardest thing to put together like we have her name in a font and a photo of her on a mug like so these don't feel like super high-minded designs i would i would i would believe that they were, knowing the Democrats, I would believe that they had plenty of time to come out with this nonsense.

Or in a panic, they came out with this nonsense. They seem genuinely surprised, though. I feel like Biden didn't tell that many people. I think he just made the call and put that shit out. But I mean, if you remember right before the weekend, that story came out where a lot of people expected this weekend to be the final, to be it for him. Yeah, yeah. So, I don't know what that was based on or if they just felt that his resilience was diminishing in terms of resisting. It was over when the mugs were ready.

The mugs came in the mail. They unboxed them. They're like, Joe Biden is going to go. We got the mugs. Sorry, the mugs. Yeah, he's like, fine. If the mugs come in on Sunday, then I'll go. But if they're not in by Sunday, I'm not going.

If they're there Monday, I'm still in it. Fine. Yeah. A lot of political reporters who like have sources on things and stuff. We're saying that they knew for a while now that it was just a matter of time because of how united the front was against him within the democratic party they were like you can't go against nancy pelosi like that like she she's gonna if it's the president against nancy pelosi like nancy pelosi is gonna whoop his ass like she he's not gonna be able to survive that um that knife fight so um yeah but it i don't know it was kind of a mess they did it like

exactly a week after the assassination attempt on trump the thing too is after the rnc though after i saw trump's speech i was kind of like you know biden can actually stay in this shit right yeah that's that's kind of how i felt like i was like oh shit bro this guy is fucking up big time too i was worried for biden for like the first half of that speech when he was talking about unity and being president for all americans and then it like sort of slipped and derailed yeah smiling yeah should we talk about that yeah because i mean let's talk about that? Yeah. I mean, yeah, the big news was that Trump was about to unveil a, uh, new tone,

AKA the same exact tone down to the fact that he mentioned, uh, the late, great Hannibal Lecter, the late Hannibal Lecter folks. Um, like just, I don't know.

That is pasted in his brain. It is not going anywhere. Um, but yeah. Were you in the building, Eamon, for that speech? Sort of, not really. So what happened was... I hope my editor is not listening. No, so I had like child care problems. And I was like, what's more important?

Being in the room for Trump or making sure my kids are taken care of? And I was like, uh... But I was there for the whole pretty much everything else right i mean that speech was i don't i can't believe i subjected myself to the entire i can't believe you watched the whole thing 93 minutes miles you that is an entire beetlejuice you know what it's more than a beetlejuice a beetlejuice plus yeah hour and 33 minutes was the speech a beetlejuice is one hour 32 minutes that's with the credits and shit damn okay so yeah i think because going into this right somewhat

the reporting like from even nbc cnn they were acting like what was happening was not happening they're like the tone is amazing like they're so energized like trump is like like because before i i watched the the speech like maybe a few hours after it happened because once everyone's like wow he really he's really saying some things he didn't say i'm like there's no fucking way i'm like what the fuck are they talking about so i had to sit through it to see for myself and yeah it was the whole thing was like an absolute mess it was was kind of like... The tone was different. It was just worse. It was worse than usual.

Because usually he'll come out like a firebrand and be like... Yeah, he seems sleepy as fuck. But nowadays he was like... But this last speech, he was actually really tired. And I think... Yeah. First of all, the thing ended up being super late at night. He looked like he was sleepy the whole week. Yeah mean it was a mixture of like written speech a little bit of trump jazz

and then also like visiting your grandpa great grandpa at the old folks home where you just got to let him talk a little bit so he can get ready for bed but don't worry if nothing is making sense just don't be rude and point out that his slippers are soaking wet for some reason just let great grandpa cook and then so i was uh i was in the arena when he was doing his sound check and it was just like maybe like 30 people on stage and trump just sort of like walking slow motion man he looked really different than any other time that i've seen him live like usually he's just like snapping shaking hands he's walking this time he was just like snapping, shaking hands. He's walking. This time he was just sort of like stiff. Like his arms were up. He wasn't really swinging.

Yeah. I got some video of it. I'll send it to you guys. And I was like, this feels different off the bat, even before he went up on stage. But the fact he could still pull off an hour and a half speech, I was like kind of impressed. I was like, wow, that's a lot. But it was a total different tone than any other speech he's ever given in his life. Usually he's just going a

million miles an hour you can see that maybe he's even talking faster than his brain is working sometimes but this time it felt like you know what maybe they're starting to catch up with each other yeah no truly because it was meandering and like the little asides it was like it was weird at like how the speech at times felt like someone was banging the teleprompter machine like yo this shit is fucking up. And then like the text would come back and he would like snap out of whatever the fuck he was saying. Like, he would just be like,

they're very dishonest people, you know, but that's okay. We like them. Don't you? They're like little Johnny from your neighborhood. Remember little Johnny always getting in trouble, but you couldn't be mad.

Cause he was so little. His dad worked at the Dow chemical plant, but when I, we will no longer have men competing in women's sports and then it was like it was weird he would say this shit he loses the audience and then suddenly come up with some culture war talking point it was a little johnny shit on the prompter was that real it's hard to know dude it's so hard to know what is and is it like if he's truly being like hold on let me do my shit really quick i'll come back to the sheet music yeah i need to riff because if it i mean the you know the hannibal lecter thing it felt like he knew he wasn't

supposed to say it because like i know they're gonna they're gonna they're not gonna like me when i bring this up but the late great hannibal lecter folks i'm like that can't be on the fucking here he comes it was also a new speech. Like he had just given one of his speeches to one of his kids to give the old speech. But after he got shot at, that was supposed to be the moment where he was supposed to just be a different person. And so they wrote a whole new speech for him. So I wouldn't be surprised if there was just some elements of him just sort of discovering the speech because he's reading it for the first time live. And so he's like, wait a second. Maybe now's a good time for me to just go on this other tangent real quick

yeah yeah he doesn't do any extra reading we like that there's been rumors that he can't read he seems to be able to read but he's not gonna do any extra reading he's not gonna read the speech ahead of time fuck that yeah i mean i mean what is he supposed to read it when he's in court yeah right it was wild too because he when he started off you could he was going through some emo shit too because he at one point he's like i'm not supposed to be here folks i shouldn't be here and yes you are and everyone's like yes you are so amen what was that like being at the rnc the fucking days after someone tries to take this man's life and you're in the building with the most fervent supporters of this? So, first of all, on the way there, I'm scared.

I'm terrified because I'm a member of the press. I was there January 6th. I saw other people in the press get beat the fuck up by Trump supporters for less. So I'm thinking, oh, my God, this whole week is going to be nuts. They've been blaming the left, they've been blaming the media they've been saying that everybody who's not Republican is responsible for what happened to Trump

so I'm like really tense I get there I put my bag on the table for the Secret Service to inspect they like stick a finger through they're like alright good go ahead and they just let me through it takes like literally 10 seconds to get inside and I'm like wait that's not at all what i was

expecting yeah and then i go in all that yeah yeah i'm like i'm expecting dogs i'm expecting like you know fort knox like a giant glass dome around the arena you know uh no everything was really really chill people are smiling um it was sort of like a nice like happy atmosphere and it was easier security than the tsa that i had just gone off at to get when i landed in milwaukee that's right so i get through i'm like trying to find some delegates to talk to and everybody is just ecstatic they're they can't wait to talk to the press they're in line to get inside the building i talked talked to this one delegate from North Carolina. She's got this Southern charm about her.

She's sort of going side to side. She just can't wait. And so I asked her, what's your mood today? And she goes, oh, this is just the best. I've been to the last RNC, and this is just going to be so much better. We're so united. This is amazing. And I'm asking her,

so have you had any conversations with other people? What's that been like for you? And then again, she's like, this is the best conversations. Everybody here, it's so nice to be around the like-minded people. And I'm like, great, great, great. So about Saturday, remember that?

How do you feel about that? And then it was like something switched in her brain. She was like, oh yeah, man, that was just, I can't believe this would happen in this country political violence should never happen but you know the radical left has always been like calling him hitler and that's the reason and then the next thing that everybody would say when i talked to them about what happened about the attempted assassination they would bring it to god they'd be like god saved him yeah. Jesus put his arms around

Trump and put an armor, like a layer of armor around him. Gave him your armor. And that's what felt different. There's always been this religious element to the Trump fan base, to the support. But this time it felt like everybody had been validated.

But again, this is only when I brought up the shooting, otherwise it just wouldn't come up. you know uh everybody was just excited one person said that they felt like they were at disneyland when i asked them i was just gonna say it sounds like disney adults being at disneyland like they're just like yeah we went to the character breakfast we got our pictures and pancakes uh with matt gates it was Gaetz, by the way, is definitely Daffy Duck. No, Donald Duck. Donald Duck is Disney. It was weird, bro.

And then when I got to the MAGA celebrities, I'm talking about the Jack Posebic and Charlie Kirk, because it felt like everybody was just around. They were just all kind of standing around. So you get a chance to just talk to all these people who you only ever get to see little clips of on Twitter And so when I would talk to them they were the ones who are more rehearsed and they were saying like the left just took their shot and now we have to

like core like Basically get together and make sure that the left pays for what they did and I'm like So how are you so sure it's sure about this guy's motives and then they would just have their like their greatest hits of like well Joe Biden just said he wanted to put trump in a bullseye and they've been calling him hitler and they've been saying there's treason and all this stuff yeah uh but the regular people the the delegates the people who just came from all across the nation not at the tops of their minds not at all yeah right that's so weird like you think it was just like a self-preservation mechanism to not want to acknowledge like what it was certain like it's a frightening thing to be like oh man someone tried to fucking

shoot this guy is that like what what do you think was like feeding that sort of denial or like not wanting to entertain because you feel like my like when i saw i was like bro these they're gonna get so turned up over this shit like yeah it's all they're gonna talk about but also in the back of my mind is like we're also so numb to gun violence tragically i don't and like i don't know what it's gonna do so i'm curious just like what your perspective was on like that lack of i guess enthusiasm to talk about it or bring it up you know for for me personally my opinion is that it just speaks to the nature of the kind of support that trump has you know it's um you know and i've done this too i've like characterized it as being like a sort of like mean-spirited angry support uh where they're all sort of coalescing around this idea that like immigrants are ruining everything and the left are teaching their kids to to like

hate their parents and all this stuff right uh but actually there's just a ton of enthusiasm around this person who's in their mind like a famous celebrity who's come down from the ivory castle to to come and like shake hands with the normal people uh one of the things that i said to one of my uh colleagues while we were there was like this is i'm so glad that it's at least in like a sports arena this was in the fires are forum where like the milwaukee bucks play and i was thinking this is so appropriate because this is all just people just coming to see yannis play like it felt like the same thing they wanted to see their favorite people that they know about on tv who they've only ever experienced through these like big sound bites

and they wanted to see them live and they wanted to see them play the greatest hits right so imagine like people going to see Disney on ice right after Mickey Mouse just got like you know something controversial happened he attempted assassination on Mickey Mouse and maybe clipped one of his big round ears and then you go and you're going to ask those little kids

like are you like how are you feeling they're going to be like I can't believe I'm about to see Mickey Mouse and that's the best way to explain the energy it's like Mickey, I can't believe I'm about to see Mickey Mouse. And that's the best way to explain the energy. It's like, Mickey's all right. Don't worry. I'm here to see Mickey, though. It's like the policies and everything else comes second.

The major thing that I think attracts them to the party is just Trump's charisma. Celebrity worship. Yeah. Interesting. Another piece that I did while I was down there was trying to talk to as many non-white delegates as I can. I spent a lot of time with this guy. His name is Hilario. He's like this young, he's 23 years old, and he's the chairman of the Milwaukee County Republican Party, which is just insane.

He was in high school when COVID hit. High school. Wow. And now he's like the highest ranking Republican in the entire county, in the host county. And so I spent a lot of time with him. He's half Mexican. He grew up in this very Latino neighborhood. He has a black sister who was adopted.

He himself was adopted by like a white mom. And so I would ask him about like all of these things. Like, what do you think about the great replacement theory? What do you think about Trump saying that migrants are poisoning the blood of America? It's like all that stuff came second. It's like for him, it's all about identifying with this larger group and all the policies they're

willing to negotiate on. Like they don't really care. I don't, in my opinion, they don't really care about like trans people in sports. Like that's not really a thing that they think about, but they see people talking about it and then they see the comments and then they get fed well the left actually thinks that this should be encouraged or the left actually thinks that people should be

allowed to have abortions after the kid's born like they attach themselves to that kind of stuff and they put themselves on a position based on that but the primary thing that the the reason that they're all there is because they're just attracted to this cult of personality they they love the celebrity ness of it all right that's the best way i can explain it yeah i wonder if they because so far we haven't seen the energy around the attempted assassination really steered into like it it was like trump at some level was grappling with maybe his feelings of mortality and like this idea

that he could try and go from here and be a uniter and we've also witnessed him like his body rejecting that like in the speech like it's honestly like when the speech like it's honestly like when people were like he's going to be the

United I was like he absolutely is not going to go in a different direction because we've seen this before like we've seen I think there was a state of the union where they were like and this is the Donald Trump like where he is going to he finally became presidential

but that shit just like look like he looked like he was falling asleep when he was doing it because he was just reading off a prompter and like watching his address to the rnc you feel like you're watching them you know like going with your sports metaphor it's like they they were like all right yannis is left-handed now and so no no he, he's not, but he's going to try and pretend to be, and it's going to look awkward as fuck, and it's not. The energy is going to be off and weird,

and you're going to be able to recognize it. So, I think he is going to recognize that shit pretty quickly, especially as soon as they get his meds dialed in or whatever is happening with his energy. And then, uh,

and then we're going to see like a much more, I don't know, violent, uh, you know, he's, he's already kind of doing it. Um,

but I feel like they're going to take whatever those breaks are that we're like, we can, we can be the great uniters. I don't know. Yeah. I think a lot of that strategy was built around running against joe biden yeah and now that that's not the case

the there i don't know what their playbook looks like or what i mean it just sounds like they're reflexively going into you know misogyny and racism they have to start from scratch which is kind of interesting it's like i was at when all this started when like the talk about replacing biden started i was like how are we going to start a whole new campaign right from scratch on a national level and get people who don't necessarily pay attention to politics at the same degree that you and i might get them to care about showing up on the on like a tuesday to vote for somebody who they don't really understand or don't really know but they haven't been hearing about yeah but then I was thinking about, oh wait.

The Trump campaign has to start from scratch too. So that might not necessarily be a big deal as some people might think. Or at least I hope not. Well, right. And the one thing I tried to use as copium as I watched this was like, well, I'm like. Because this was before Biden dropped out. I'm like, well, first of all, this dude is fucking a bad dude so who knows they might cancel each other out but the other part was the energy in there it felt like the election was already a foregone conclusion

yeah which i was like that's i look confidence you need confidence but like the way that that room was moving and shit it felt like it was already the wednesday after the election and like every race like every individual race had been called for trump yeah um and i'm like that feels a bit i don't know if that's a place you want to be and just competitively uh to be so like that but again that also does help for whatever i'm sure violent response they would want the base to have in the event that trump doesn't win to have as much like because that expectation is being set like crazy they're like when we win when we win the only way we lose is if they cheat the only way we lose is if they do

this that we're not gonna lose we've won we're winning yeah that that having that in the subconscious and having that reinforced constantly that i'm like a little bit like oh man what they're gonna try and do with the like not letting biden be replaced by harris and then if harris wins you know being like well that's not this is a fake election and uh she's actually literally not my president she's a she's a lizard but i do think like i mean people were falling asleep during trump's speech in the building like it did not go over well with the people like you know various reporters from inside the convention were saying like people were starting to leave you could hear like loud chattering on the fringes of the arena this is like their godhead figure is like delivering the big speed probably the most hyped speech of his career

and they were like i don't know this is a skip for me man i'm yeah i think i'm gonna skipping that track i mean the poor guy had to go after hogan like they probably shouldn't have done that yeah that's a tough one to follow especially when he's seems like he's on a adderall lull and needs to take a little break um yeah a lot of checking phones stealing glances wolf splitzers yeah too many spritzers amen were there any other like policy kind of things going on that you asked just to try and get the take of of the magnet just to kind of see where they landed on stuff so i'm always looking for like the the other angle that nobody else could get uh so i i sort of sniffed out the muslims as best as i can i don't see the first one was easy the first one was easy she was wearing like a full-blown hijab and i'm like awesome uh

so i i got close to her and i was like oh what's up she told me who she was her name is rola meki she's uh from southern lebanon her family's from southern Lebanon. Her family's from southern Lebanon. She's from Michigan. And she was an alternate delegate, but she couldn't wait to get inside to go see her hero, Donald Trump. And so I was asking her specifically about Israel, because the day before when I was talking to her, it was all about Israel, essentially. There was three or four different speakers who were all just talking about Israel. They were talking about the campus protests and how that made Jewish Americans feel unsafe. They were talking about American hostages. They were talking about pretty much everything you could talk about when it comes to Israel.

So I was asking her how she felt around all of that. There's a pretty interesting subtext of if you're not for Israel, you're against America, essentially essentially so i can hear about that she's from southern lebanon people who don't know so lebanon was um occupied by israel for a period and then uh is they're now getting bombed to death and it's crazy like a hundred thousand people displaced right now in southern lebanon that too yeah uh so i asked her i was like so do you feel weird about this? And she's like, no, I'm with my people, this is what I'm here for. My main priority is immigration, my main priority is this, is that. And then

behind her, the whole time we're talking, is this woman wearing a hat that said Jegxit. I interviewed her later about this, but she said it was for the Jewish Brexit. And she was scowling, she was giving her this mean, dirty look that's searing into the back of her head. Meanwhile, she's talking about how happy she is now at home.

She feels how she feels more at home with the Republican Party than the Democratic Party. Yeah. But she also had to have this hushed voice. She knew that if she were going to be outspoken about being pro-Palestine or anti-Israel, that she might you know it might start some confrontation but afterwards when i talked to the lady who was scowling at her i asked her how do you feel about building a coalition with people who are not explicitly pro-israel and she's like absolutely not i don't want them to have anything to do with the republican party

if you're not with israel you're not with us so i did that a few times uh i i talked to uh ennis canter who goes now by Enes Kanter Freedom. He's the Turkish national who lost his citizenship after his dad was accused of terrorism. But it also has to do with criticizing the Chinese government. Crazy story. If you don't know about his story, you should definitely look it up. But after what happened to him, he became like this Fox News regular. And now he's eyeing like a congressional run, which is really interesting. But but he's six foot six so he's huge and he's hard to miss so I was

talking to him about being a Muslim at the RNC and then right as soon as that interview had happened another guy when he started like thumbing through my credentials he was like putting his hands on my couldn't just trying to see my name and he's like oh you're Muslim and I'm like yeah so then we start talking about it a little bit but then these other two guys these delegates from new york came and they were like oh so how do you feel about this how do you feel about that they were also muslims so they were sort of engaged with the idea and then afterwards i um oh the funniest part about that whole argument was that uh they would say well we're

we're muslim but we're here for solutions we We want to bring a lasting peace to the area. And the other guy, who's a delegate from Illinois, goes, well, we just have to get rid of the Arabs. Whether or not that means airlifting them out or I don't know what. He was saying that's the only solution. They're not there. And he's talking about Judea, Samaria, and Gaza. And so I asked the Muslim guys afterwards, I'm like,

so how do you feel about building a coalition'm like, so how do you feel about building a coalition with this guy? How do you feel about being on the same team as this guy? And they were saying, well, the same thing. We care about our local issues. We want to stop the over-regulation so we can bring more money into our communities. We don't want to be...

They also had some things to say about the gay agenda. They were like, we don't want to be supporting they also had some things to say about like the gay agenda they were like we don't want to be uh supporting gay people in pennsylvania when we should be supporting like our local new york thing um which is like an interesting way to to like base your entire support for the republican party either way uh again i found that delegate from new york from illinois and i asked him the same question i asked the the jexit lady uh how do you feel about building a coalition with people who are explicitly anti-Israel? Nope, don't want anything to do with them, they shouldn't be with the Republican Party. So I thought that was a really interesting, but also neither the Jegzit person nor the guy from Illinois, neither of them said that Israel is their top priority.

Their top priorities are immigration for both of them. So even though it's not their top priority, they still want nothing to do with the Muslims who are not explicitly pro-Israel. Which I thought to be very illuminating. Only because I'm still trying to understand the nature of the support. I know it's like several years into the Trump

Trumpification of our politics, but it still doesn't make sense how some people seem to be voting against their interests. Um, it's, it's pretty much explicitly, um, but it still feels very strong.

And I think it has a lot to do with just identity that I had chosen to identify with a certain party. And then everything else just sort of becomes soup. Like they just need to like mix it, choose like whatever flavors they want on the side advocate for those flavors but they're just willing to be part of the soup yeah and that's just i think whenever when it comes to the subject of palestine people become so passionate and triggered because there's so many pictures like dead kids and even on the israeli side there's just it's become so

violent and visceral for them so it's just interesting to see the way that some people were willing to work with other people. Other people just wanted nothing to do with the other people. Right. And so this could be, depending on how Kamala comes to this one particular issue, this could become a fracture for the Republican Party. I know Kamala in the past has said that she wanted to see a ceasefire but then she also like caveated it on the side she was like a ceasefire so you know I'm curious to see

how she comes out on the issue how forceful she is about saving kids and giving them medicine giving them food and whether or not that's going to pull Muslims away from the Republican Party who's been really trying hard to expand their tent or if she

just ends up being um coming down on the issue in the same way that genocide joe who's been dubbed genocide joe has uh i wonder if that's going to push even more people away yeah that's that's like a huge yeah issue that i'm really curious to see how that resolves itself because it's it's it does manifest in like voter support um and you know like they're already uncommitted to get delegates that'll be at the DNC that I'm sure we'll be trying as hard as possible to get the issue like on the platform or at least acknowledge to some extent

because that's where that kind of thing is supposed to happen at the convention but if yeah we'll see we don't know what kind of convention it's going to be how hard they try what kind of convention it's gonna be yeah how hard they try to just not mention it at all you know well yeah and also yeah and then that recent icj ruling you know probably puts makes the question more relevant with them saying that like

yo the these occupied territories are illegal yeah um and it's going to be up to countries like the united states to you know because it's not a binding decision but we do need you do need this you do need the pressure from the you know global community to make something happen and will that happen that's big question mark um although you know the probabilities seem lower um than i have a feeling that kamal is just going to go on stage and just go coconut mm, coconut tree, anyone? And then just trying to get like the memes to, to go. Oh God. I hope she doesn't think it's going to be lean into the memes.

That would be bad. If you don't lean into the memes, I can't go explain more. Be the meme. Don't lean into the meme. Yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, be the meme, be the meme. All right.

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I saw it on the big IMAX. Which one? At TCL. Bro, I saw it at one where they claimed it was IMAX. This shit was not. They're claiming shit is IMAX that is not IMAX. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, yo, this is like a big screen, but this isn't IMAX. There's like five real IMAX screens in the city.

In the US, right? Oh, right, right. Oh, like Howard Hughes Center has one. City Walk has one. But even the one at the Science Center that they claim is IMAX is not really IMAX. But yeah, that ain't IMAX. like even the one at the science center that they claim is imax is not really imax but yeah that ain't and i go and i say that loudly throughout uh screenings of various films that ain't all that imax that ain't imax that ain't imax um but okay so twister's number one movie at the box

office uh actually exceeded expectations one thing it didn't do, Miles, and this was kind of the first thing that my friend who I went with brought up to me, where my steamy makeout scene? How come no kissy? A lot of tension. How are they going to break the tension? A ton of sexual tension between

the big main boy character and big main girl character. And they get together at the end, but they don't kiss in a big main boy character and big main girl character and they get together at the end but they don't kiss in a way that was like was this spoiler alert spoiler alert

spoiler alert for twisters spoiler alert for twisters they start a thruple with one of the twisters the two leads aren't horribly killed in a tornado um and that's annoying the end of the movie finds them finally it's like go see about that girl goodwill hunting style and he goes and her flight gets delayed and then you it like in the part where the couple would kiss they do not instead we hear that her flight is delayed and then they stride off purposefully somewhere to fuck each other i guess is what i assumed but also an airport bathroom yeah also it it's yeah it's confusing because it also is like this airport is about to get hit by twister

and we need to because that seems to be the pattern like that's that's the one thing i would say that is hard to swallow about a twister movie. This being my first one, as I mentioned last week, I didn't see the first twister. I haven't seen the source material. And it,

it's that the bad guy is a tornado that seems to be targeting them particular, like following them around. Just tornadoes keep breaking out like wherever they are. It's, it's got the jaws for problem right where it's just like this twister it's it's weird but this twister seems to fucking hate you too it's it's a twister movie you know so by then i was like yeah that was fine

that's what i expected you know what i mean uh but her majesty and i talked a lot about the ending actually i thought it was fine for you know them not to kiss yeah um she was like oh i wish they did though they should have or whatever but we both look as we laid out our cases as to why we felt the same way we both arrived at who gives an actual fuck it would have only been like one kiss and like also we're constantly beat over the head with the the man and the lady must kiss at the end or we don't know if this was a movie we just saw yeah um so why are you guys obsessed with the kissing i don't get it no the internet so the apparent oh there was a tweet that came out where they're like up there because there was a scene

where they they're clearly someone behind the scenes there was a behind the scenes shot of them actually kissing in this moment so a kiss was shot apparently but then steven's out apparently steven spielberg yeah according to daisy edgar jones she was like i she said quote i think it's a spielberg note wasn't it as to why the kiss was cut out and people were like what what happened to the kiss and yeah i i'm were like, what, what happened to the kiss? And yeah, I, I'm sure like a lot of people who are like watching it, like, and this is where they kiss.

And then you got like a, a credits sequence. And people were like, this one's for my private collection. Um, right, right. Yeah.

This one goes, this one's for me. The best, best scenes are the people getting absolutely just sucked off by the twisters. As I described it just boom gone hoovered out of here I do wish the characters had talked more about

you know and just when you watched the love of your life get sucked off sucked off by a twister absolutely sucked off underneath that interchange yeah great great look perfect i think

again it did exactly what i needed it to do i was nostalgic for like a 90s sort of you know spectacle movie and it did that it did that for sure what do you think of the lack of the climate change talk because like i get like when he was saying it's a reflection of the world part of me was like is he using sort of like these people who are a little bit thoughtless about how in danger they are like as a reflection as to how we look at the situation or that's just bad plot i think i think it was like it seemed like some people were like purposefully referencing it without calling it climate change but it definitely felt like their attempt to have it both ways where someone was like yeah and it's only getting hotter and the

weather's only getting more volatile and um but like they couldn't call it climate change because then it was going to go woke go woke yeah can't have that would have gone broke that's who knows what would have happened if they's who knows what would have happened if they mentioned climate change would it have reached to the heights that it did i know i think it would have i think it would have oh man a lot of science no steak and egg scene there was a lot of like meteorology talk and you know talk talk of like weather patterns and high pressure systems and like they they did kind of go out of their way to explain all these things um so it does feel a little weird that they didn't mention climate change at all but yeah but part of

me is like i could care less about meteorology yeah let me just see a big storm suck a whole group of people off yeah suck a whole group off and to that i'm describing when people get pulled into a tornado yes that wasn't clear enough no is this movie pg because i'm hearing a lot of sucking off well i'm that's how i describe people who are catastrophic catastrophically taken away by the winds of the tornado because it looks like they're just getting sucked off sucked off into the great beyond they're like hold on to me and they're like nope and they fly away but i that's my annoying way to to bother my partner by being like another one got sucked off babe can you stop you're screaming it out loud at this point like oh he got sucked off

amen uh what a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist uh our inaugural uh monday morning with a guest episode after the dnc so we can cry together oh yeah oh yeah baby so good uh where can people find you follow you all that good stuff uh it's just spelled a y-m-a-n-n-d-o-t-c-o-m-a-m-e-n.com uh pretty much on instagram twitter though i don't use it as much as I should. But it's on there. You'll find me. There you go. And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? I've been re-watching Veep. Just because it's so much funnier now to imagine Kamala Harris there.

They kind of dress the same. They kind of look the same. And it's just every moment when she goes into her secretary and she goes, did the president call? And the secretary says, nope. And then then that's it it just rings a little bit darker from right right right oh man there's also this really funny scene right in the very beginning where the president gets a heart attack or she she's being told that the president gets a heart attack and there's like this glimmer of excitement in her eye and she's like oh yeah and then she gets pulled to the situation room and she's given these big binders and she has to sign all this shit. And then like 20 minutes later,

they're like, oh, the president just had heartburn. Yeah. I'm so happy that that happened. I'm so relieved. Yeah. One of the great characters of all time. Amazing. All right.

That is going to do it for us on this Monday. Back tomorrow with the whole last episode of the show. Until then, be kind to each other. Be kind to yourselves. Get the vaccine. Get your flu shots. Don't do nothing about white supremacy. And we will talk to you all tomorrow.

Bye. Peace. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories

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