The Daily Zeitgeist - Bolton Not Fluent In Empathy, Rudolph The Red-Nosed Victim 11.29.18

Episode Date: November 29, 2018

In episode 283, Jack and Miles are joined by writer and performer Katy Stoll to discuss the darkness of the classic Christmas movie "Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer," more of Paul Manafort's shady behavior, John Bolton's excuse for not listening to the Jamal Khashoggi murder tapes, Fuller House season four, antics Robin Hood bombing at the box office, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. WATCH: Rudolph, Please2. WATCH: Adults to Rudolph: Stay Away from Our Children3. Viewers Noticed Some Very Disturbing Details In ‘Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer’4. Manafort’s Lawyer Said to Brief Trump Attorneys on What He Told Mueller5. If Manafort is counting on a pardon, he shouldn’t6. National Security Advisor John Bolton says he hasn't listened to the tape of Jamal Khashoggi's killing because it's in Arabic7. Fuller House Made It to a Fourth Season, How 8. ‘Robin Hood': The Biggest Blockbuster Bomb of 20189. WATCH: Robin Hood Teaser Trailer #1 (2018) | Movieclips Trailers10. Review: Taron Egerton and Jamie Foxx headline a radicalized 'Robin Hood'11. History buffs roast costumes in new Robin Hood film12. I replaced the Amazon can you feel it commercial music with the theme from Winter Soldier13. Daily Zeitgeist Merch on Tee Public (Discount code for 25% off: Zeitgang)14. WATCH: 왜 Why? Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's Thursday, November 29th, 2018. My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. The Love Jack is a little O'Brien where we can get together. Love Jack, baby. Love Jack, baby. Sorry, I had to get to that part. That guy's voice is too fun to do. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.

Help, you know I need Miles of Gray. Help, not just any of Gray. Help, you know I need Miles of Gray. Help. Thank you. Because we had some Beatles hot takes. I saw y'all getting wicked in the comments on IG. But you brought it back to the level.

I'd like to see that from the Zeitgang. That one comes from the one and only at Solisana. Somebody made a... Oh, mine was courtesy of Morgan Wills at Leigh Blue Jay. Let's introduce our guest. And then I want to talk about the Beatles again. Okay. We are thrilled to be joined by the very funny actor, writer, and producer from some more news, even more news,

and just all sorts of very funny videos and performances, Katie Stoll! Hey! Was I supposed to come up with a song? Because I don't have a song. You have not? What's your favorite karaoke song? Oh, goodness.

I'm actually not good at karaoke. I avoid it. It scares me. Okay, Vanilla Ice Ice Katie. Oh, yeah. There we go. Here we go. Ice Ice Katie. Alright, stop. Collaborate and listen. I mean, I can do the whole song if you want.

Katie's back with a brand new invention. Something. Grabs a hold of me tightly. So much like a harpoon daily. Why is it soaring like a harpoon daily? Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly. Will it ever stop? Yo, I don't know. Turn off the lights and I'll glow. To the extreme.

I rock a mock, like a mock. I like that he has like. I rock a pair of moccasins like a vandal. I know all the words. Ah, what a great rapper that guy was. Yeah. Whoever wrote that song. And Katie, it's great rapper that guy was. Yeah. Whoever wrote that song. And Katie, it's great to see you again.

Thanks, Jack. You've been on other podcasts, so we're not seeing each other for the first time. But it's good to have you here. We used to work together at Cracked. We did. You used to work at Cracked, huh? I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. All right, asshole. Not about that, too, but you're right. We did work there together. It's nice to be in the same room with microphones with you again yeah oh the beatles thing somebody asked the question or posited that the beatles if they came out today with the songs that they originally wrote that they would be seen as worse than nickelback which seems like a little uh a take too hot, a step too far. But it does raise the question, like, are they just beloved for being the first to write? I mean, I think they have a lot of, objectively, they're good musicians.

Yeah. Right. So, and I, it's the GOAT thing that I think is more subjective. I don't think you can argue that, like, there were songs or their music was shit. I think that that's a hard no from me. I think that they... And you are a huge Nickelback fan. I am a huge Nickelback fan, so that is saying a lot for me.

But the Beatles do trump Nickelback, in my humble opinion. It also depends on what generation Beatles you're talking about, because they're very different bands from the beginning to the end. Like Latter Day, Trippie Beatles I think would do well right now. Yeah, for sure. Because everyone's going to be like, they're ripping off Kevin Parker from Tame Impala. Right.

That's what they would probably say. This dude sounds like Kevin Parker. That's right. All right, Katie, we're going to talk to you a little bit more in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners what we're talking about today. We're talking about the holiday classic, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, the claymation film that people are reviewing and finding out is not the cheerful film that they all remembered it as. We're going to talk about Sam Little, who despite his name might be the

most prolific serial killer in the history of America. We are going to talk about just all the Manafort-ness, the Manafort of it all, and just what that evolving story. Old Lynchie Hyde Smith won in Mississippi, but it was close, so we're going to talk about that. We are going to talk about John Bolton, who is refusing to listen to the Khashoggi tape of Khashoggi being murdered because he doesn't speak empathy and also other languages. We're going to talk about conditions in packing factories. We're going to talk about Fuller House.

We're going to talk about the latest Robin Hood movie, Bombing at the Box Office, and just what is succeeding in Bombing at the Box Office as it relates to the current zeitgeist and news cycle. Apparently the latest Robin Hood incorporates imagery from Antifa and current street battles. Hell yeah. And that did not go over well

with people, apparently. I thought the trailer was a news piece about the Battle of Seattle from a few years ago. I was like, oh shit. Yeah, it's like... It's like, is this about the World of Seattle a few years ago. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah. It's like, is this about the World Bank? You're not supposed to go that straightforward with your imagery.

You got to have a really convoluted metaphor for people to be feeling you. But first, Katie, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? I have been searching for dumb garden gnomes. Dumb garden gnomes. Or like funny garden gnomes, quote unquote funny. I think funny is very, very subjective here. I mean ones that aren't just the traditional red hat,

just chilling. Not just the traditional. So it started with last Christmas when I got my father, who is very hard to buy gifts for, and he's always wanted, like we'd walk around the neighborhood and he was fascinated by people that have like giant dinosaur sculptures in their front yard.

Yeah, Jack is showing me one right now. You guys can't see it. A sexy garden gnome. And so I found this sculpture of a dinosaur mauling a bunch of garden gnomes. That's fucking awesome. It was great. And I gave it to my father last year. And my parents recently bought a cabin that they're going to retire in.

And so i was like oh i'm gonna get them another one and we can start hiding them in the woods around the cabin and i and i was googling them and like there's a whole bunch like a one of a cat mauling them uh there's one of a gnome smoking a fat dewey and uh i started sending them to my mom and she was like no you can't you can't because then your father will know I accidentally broke the last one. Oh. And I was like, bye mom,

I'll get the other one again too. Right, yeah. So that's- And you picture your dad walking through the woods and being like, oh my God, what the fuck is going on?

Or he'll just be like, oh, okay, my daughter loves me in her own weird way. Hopefully it's a combination of both. And just something fun because before they start, before they actually retire and make that their home, they're going to rent it out for the next couple of years.

And I think that that would be a delightful, charming thing. The cabin with the gnomes. Oh, yeah. It's all about branding. I have to get my mom on board because it is tacky. Yeah, but those bring a smile to my face. They're funny. Yeah.

Or I saw ones of a bunch of g, like spear hunting a flamingo, like a yard flamingo. Oh, really? I don't know. I just laugh. I don't know if I would have it in my yard. My dream is to have tons of tiny gnomes hiding between the trees and like, it'll be a little treasure hunt.

Yeah. And you brand it as the best place to do mushrooms. Yeah. I'll tell my mom that. Yeah, right. She's going to do mushrooms. I'll tell my mom that. Yeah, right. She's going to love it. Now, are there funny gnome puns? Because that is a thing.

A hallmark of gnome culture. Are puns? I'm sexy and I gnome it. Oh, that's real good. There's the entire gnome franchise, Gnomeo and Juliet. The other gnome one.

You know the one. Sherlock Gnom Juliet. The other gnome one. That's, you know, the one. Sherlock Gnomes. Boom. That was one? Yeah. Gnomesland. Yeah, Gnomesland. And that could be the name of our cabin.

Has there, there hasn't been a horror movie about garden gnomes? I feel like they're too cute. You know? Well. They would have to turn into like really repulsive looking little bearded troll men. it depends on how, they are bearded

tiny creatures with spears hunting flamingos, things like that. But they have like, sort of like, you know, cherub like features.

But you know, Chucky was terrifying and he was just a toddler. Yeah. Yeah, but Chucky had like the version you bought at the store

and then the motherfucker took his mask off at home, and you're like, oh, Jesus, why is your hair thinning? Yeah. For a doll. There's a male pattern involved in this. I think that if you gave the gnomes horrifying characteristics and personality traits, that it could be a horror movie.

I'm sure there has to be. Did you search gnome horror film? Yeah, there's one that's a gnome alone, again. Oh, no. Because he just sounds like a comedy. Yeah, I think it's probably one of those intentionally silly, bad. There's a real market for this, though. Yeah, and there's another one called Killer Gnome, Blood Gnome.

Yeah, but I guess the thing that's amazing about the stuff that you're buying for your dad is the contrast of how wholesome and nice the gnomes are with them. Yes, exactly. Gang hunting. Well, they were being are with them. Yes, exactly. Gang hunting a dinosaur. Well, they were being destroyed by the dinosaur. Oh, they were being destroyed. Those were fun. But, you know, ideally this is a thing that I do every year, every birthday.

And so we're going to run out of them being attacked. There's going to have to be some variety. And this is the beginning of a great, like, beginning of a business for you. You were like, after I bought every single conceivable gnome thing, I thought, why isn't anyone making one for me? So I started Gnome Yourself. Right. Yes. There you go.

What is something you think is overrated? Christmas music. What is something you think is underrated? No, go ahead. Christmas music is everywhere. Just fly past that, Jack. Fly past this. You don't even want to acknowledge it.

Christmas music starts way too early. I mean, and a lot of it's the same songs and they're fine. We've heard them. I'm tired of them. But we play them constantly. You change the radio and it's on another station. You go into the market. It's there.

If you're going to play it in the stores, at least wait until like the week or two leading up to Christmas. So here's my question, right? Because this year it seemed like it started the day after fucking Halloween. Yeah. It did in my household. Is your displeasure about this, about the idea that you don't like that it's so long or it's diluting the period in which you feel like

you're getting maximum pleasure out of the holidays? Great question, Miles. Great question. I think it's a combination, to be honest. It's too much and it starts to feel like you're losing your mind like did I hear this song five times today

I did you're kind of like a groundhog day kind of situation happening also especially in LA it's not winter you're like

get out of here with this it's not frosty outside the winds are not it's not frightful well it's frightful in a different way right not because the weather's the wildfires most of the songs don't mention wildfires no the christmas wildfires well maybe it's time for some new some new christmas classics and that would help yeah

well because when i was talking to my therapist about this it was more about just sort of at first i thought i felt like i was out of control and that's what i realized that's what my therapist was helping me understand that i was out of control. And that's what I realized. And that's what my therapist was helping me understand. That I felt out of control of when the music was happening. And then part of me was like, you know what? I don't have a thing like summer, like a season I look forward to. Like summer has its own culture. And I was like, well, shit, if I can get two months out of November and December, why not?

But also my initial reaction to the November 1st Christmas music was like, hold the fuck up. Yeah. But then you listen to it and I have a visceral reaction to most Christmas music. So I was like, well, you know, get a little honey in my hips. You don't get tired of it? I guess I've been maybe also kind of avoiding it. Like I'm not playing it OD like at the house or anything like that. But if it comes on, I'm like, hey, all right. And then keep it moving. It's fine in small doses.

But then I was also thinking, I mean, plenty of a lot of people don't celebrate christmas yeah and they have to listen to this non-stop i think it's really inconsiderate okay well let's just do a sleigh bells just over and over no melodies right that's got to be what is the so the last one did we decide the last one that's been adopted into the canon was Mariah Carey's Christmas. Is that the last one? I don't know. Is it? What's a more recent one? Like there's,

I heard a Justin Bieber thing. No, he can't get in right now. He's too young to be in the canon. John Legend just released a Christmas album. Oh, okay. Maybe he'll get in there. I'm not gonna listen to it. Yeah, me either. But I don't know who's recent.

I mean, yeah, that Mariah Carey song was like one of the most recent songs that I would say has to be etched in stone. Yeah, it's on any playlist. Yeah, the other stuff is great too. I mean, the Sharon Jones Christmas album is really good. Oh, I bet that's good. That one's really good.

But yeah, I don't know. The other thing about it, and maybe this is my sinking suspicion, it feels like, especially at the stores everywhere, you're like, yes, I get it. I'm supposed to spend a bunch of money now. I know. I know. I know. I know.

It's like a Pavlovian response. You hear the music? You're making me anxious. Right. Yeah. Ugh. Yeah. Have you done any of your Christmas shopping?

Well, some gnomes. Yeah. Oh, good. Yeah. I've been doing it online yeah me too i'm mr last minute everything i do love i love buying presents for people i think it's the most exciting challenge to think about what is really gonna get them going yeah every year i'm like man this year i'm gonna start writing down when i get an idea for somebody i've done it once this year.

Yeah. I have a note hidden somewhere, but I never write Christmas present. You're like, I can't find it. You're going to find it in June and be like, what? No shoes. But yeah, I guess because Christmas music is so much about nostalgia, it doesn't get freshened up that often.

Yeah, I can't listen to a trap beat Christmas song. Yeah. I mean, it would be fun, but it doesn't get freshened up that often. Yeah, like I can't listen to like a trap beat Christmas song. Yeah. I mean, like it would be fun, but I'm not going to, it doesn't bring me back. I think because it's all about like regressing. Right. So it has to be like at least 20 years old for it to work. And it's like, I don't really like the music from 20 years ago all that much.

I wonder if you can make a new classic because people don't listen to radio in the same way. And it's not, so maybe if you choose your Spotify playlist that has some new songs. But it's hard to get something like in the general zeitgeist. Tell me about it. I got 2,000 Miles by the Pretenders. That's fairly recent. Christmas in the Room by Sufjan Stevens.

That's a fairly recent one. Yeah, but like who's heard of it? Right. Yeah. It's pretty good. Is it? Yeah. but who's heard of it? Right. Yeah. It's pretty good. Is it? Yeah. Does it have sleigh bells?

No. Then it is not a Christmas song. What is something you think is underrated? If I didn't lose you guys on that one, I think I will on this one. It is a contest to see how much you can lose us. I think what's underrated are commutes to work. Because I've mostly been a freelance person in my life my adult life sometimes i've had a commute you had a 401k as a child i had a forum sure as an adult but as an

adult i i earned the ability to have a bit more flexibility in my work from working so hard when i was called planning it's yeah people it's. But I always cherished it. I mean, yes, the commute can be very frustrating. Going from Los Feliz to Santa Monica for Cracked was difficult. But I always felt like it's a transition period. So my commute would make it, by the time I got to work, I'm ready to go to work. And when you leave, you're leaving it behind and like, you're starting to like focus on what's the next step so that when you get home, like, yeah, it's tiring being in traffic or whatever, but you also have kind of rested and you're like ready to get home and do stuff. And there's something about working at home without having that delineation that makes it hard

for me to snap into work mode. So people that complain about your commutes, I do get it. But I think that there's an opportunity for you to be appreciative of it. Find it restorative. The thing I miss is I listen to less podcasts because my commute is shorter. It's still like decent. But like now I have to be really efficient. I used to just have like a scattered, like I would just listen to anything and everything. And now I'm like, well, I got to listen to my four or five things. It's difficult to get all the podcasts listening in without the commute

the decompression part I think is a big thing because I still find myself even though my commute isn't that bad when I get home I'm still doing things that I have to like like I'll look at like Twitter or Instagram or something more just before I get into my like at home headspace that I find myself like sitting like with like you know, bag on my body still, like, scrolling through shit. And I'm like, okay, I'm ready to be home. Yeah. I find it useful in terms of that just to – you don't have to look up from your phone while you're driving home. Just, you know, just nose buried in the phone.

Yeah. Have as many apps open as possible. Yeah, that's what – And just, you know, you get better at it as you practice. As you're going. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a thing that you learn as an adult. Right.

Also, I think that I talk to my family less. Right. Because it's easy with these Bluetooth speakers in the car. Yeah. You just talk to the car and have conversations with people. You know fellow kids with these Bluetooth speakers. I do agree that making phone calls while you're driving, that's something I wish I did more.

But I've never called a family member or an old friend or something while driving and been like, man, I wish I hadn't done that. Right. I challenge everybody. Call somebody on your car drive home. Reach out. And they'll be like, why are you calling me? Just text me.

Wait, what's wrong? What's wrong? What happened? Nothing. God, what's wrong with you? Why would you call me? I just think it's been a while. What the fuck?

Dude, I gotta go, man. Are you dying? What is a myth, finally, Katie? What is something people think is true? Let's talk about the flu shot. Oh, no. It's a myth that you'll get sick. Like a lot of people say, I don't want to get the flu shot because i don't uh because it might get me sick um somebody came in with flu shot being like a myth

that it doesn't work like they were like the flu shot i've never gotten sick oh no no let's debunk that right now that's the second part of it that healthy people don't need to get it. Because right now, it's not about you. It's similar to just getting vaccinated. It's about the people that are vulnerable in society. And 20 to 30% of people carry the flu germs, the virus without having any symptoms, without actually getting sick. And so you're spreading it. And when people do get sick after they get the flu shot, it's not because the flu shot got them sick. It's because they were going to get sick. The flu shot is a dead virus that's supposed to help either, you know, hopefully avoid whatever the strain is that's out right now, but also will lessen the severity of your symptoms if you do happen to get it.

So it's pretty much just a public service. It's kind of like your civic duty. Yeah. Well, if you're a carrier, too, there's many people who are immunocompromised who if you fucking, like, you might be all right, they catch it and they can die. There was this tweet going around about somebody vaccinating your kids. Like, well, my kid has cancer. And when she was around, somebody that had the measles on accident who went to the market or something

right she had to be quarantined for like a month and then all the other kids on her hospital unit had to be um you know i'm not sure the specifics of how that worked but it makes sense uh right it's just yeah yeah don Yeah. Don't be dumb. Well, there's like all kids in general, all elderly people in general are much more susceptible. So if you're cool with, you know, killing kids and old people and your grandparents, then by all means, don't get the flu shot. Yeah. Well, yeah.

Totally worth it. And you look at also all the measles outbreaks that have been happening recently that are all being attributed to not like just this sort of anti-vax sentiment in the country, whether it's in like New Jersey. There's one right now. They're in Cleveland. Fucking France. You know, guys, we're in this together. Yeah.

It's a herd. You heard? Mm-hmm. Oh, that's good, man. It's a herd. Herd immunity. I feel like that could have been a 90s PSA. Yeah, about herd immunity.

Herd. You heard? We're all in the herd. You heard? Nice. What a missed opportunity. You heard immunity, right? There you go.

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and we're back and uh speaking of you know holiday culture people are re-watching the rudolph the red-nosed reindeer, the old claymation classic. And they're finally coming around to a fact that I learned back in 2010 when one of the crack writers revisited it, that this movie is wildly fucked up. It's crazy. It's amazing how mean Santa is to everybody.

Oh, I was going to say, how dare Rudolph think he's better than everybody? I know. No, it's actually not that. Rudolph, it's just nonstop bullying that goes completely unacknowledged. There's the bullying from the reindeers who are like, no, Rudolph, fuck you. Your nose is red. But Santa

bullies everybody around him. Like the elves, at one point, Santa's stressed out because Christmas is coming up and for some reason, they've made the decision that Santa doesn't deal well with stress in this show. And so the elves try and sing him a Christmas song to get him in the mood. And much like Katie, he's no fan of Christmas music. And they're like, hey, did you like it, Mr. Santa? And he goes, it needs work. Now I've got to go.

And like storms out. And then later he's eating dinner with his wife. And she's like, you're not eating your food. And he's like, I can't eat because of how bad that stupid elf song was. Oh, he sounds like a monster. He is a fucking human monster. And it's also like a good illustration of how like a toxic person like that can spread to everyone else. Because when Rudolph is born, Santa looks at him and is like, oh, my God, I hope that nose goes away.

And then his dad is there and bullies him for the rest of Rudolph's life and is like, hide your nose, Rudolph. Wait, who's dad? Rudolph's dad. Rudolph's dad makes him wear a black thing over his nose. And Rudolph's dad isn't a magical reindeer that can fly? Or is he one of the others? I don't know. Maybe if Rudolph's dad wasn't working with all those unsafe

chemicals, maybe building toys, maybe his child wouldn't have a birth defect, Santa. Maybe just look at the working conditions in your workshop. Also, Santa in his claymation form looks like a character from Duck Dynasty. Yes, he does. Just like with his beard and he has angry ass eyebrows. He doesn't look like someone I'd want to work for.

Side note, does Santa pay his elves? Hey, hey, hey, come on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Santa's a white slave owner. What is this? What are you, the AFL-CIO over here? Yes, actually, I am. Yeah, his facial hair is definitely very like Habsburg Empire.

Right, yeah. He looks like an Austro-Hungarian Kaiser friend. But at one point, Santa tells Rudolph's father, you should be ashamed of yourself for having a son who has a red nose. And when Rudolph eventually redeems himself by just being useful to Santa for one night, nobody starts valuing him they're just like god can you tone it down rudolph with that nose like that actually that's a line so even when he proves himself people are still like actually i think we have the clip of the night when santa realizes that he can use rudolph and he still treats him like shit. I've got some bad news, folks.

Christmas is going to be canceled. There's nothing I can do. This weather. Rudolph, Rudolph, please. Could you tone it down a bit? I mean, that nose of yours. I mean, that was a pretty obnoxious sound. Yeah.

Was his nose whistling? Yeah, his nose. He's a baby deer, and he hasn't learned how to control his powers. Right. Yeah. But then nobody is like, ah, you're all right in my book, Rudolph. They're just like, still fuck you, man, but thanks for lighting the way. I take a little bit of issue with the idea that Santa's the only reason Christmas exists.

This message that's being shoved down our throats. Christmas is canceled. That it's just only about presents.. This message that's being shoved down our throats. Christmas is canceled. It's just only about presents. It is about presents. I mean, guys, we're losing sight. And we all know that Jesus is the reason for the season. Right. Remember that.

Christmas is canceled. I refuse. I demand you all refuse to go to church and celebrate the birth of Jesus. Do not talk to your family. Do not enjoy a hearty breakfast. Take out your trees. Then there's the island of misfit toys where defective sentient toys go to die of exposure. Apparently they just all like live on this frigid island there's like a train

with square wheels a doll with depression it seems like that's like what she just like doesn't have anything wrong with her human eyes for once depressed and then a toy bird that can't fly but can swim and they're never a mention so in the original

version like Rudolph goes there and it's like this horrifying like oh no these people now we see what real freaks look like. And then he goes back and saves the day. And they never mentioned it again. But because children presumably were existentially horrified by the prospect that there's just abandoned toys out there that are going to die of old age, they decided to tack on a thing where Santa and the elves return and give the toys homes. But at one point, at the end, they throw the flightless bird off the sleigh as it's flying through the sky. And that's how... They just don't mention again. They just kill the bird.

Yeah, they just kill it. You're like, you're tiny and small, but no room. Oh, you can't fly? Well, good luck falling from this height. I think it's supposed to be like a bit where it's like, he thinks it's a bird, so he probably thinks it can fly. It's not like they did it unacknowledged, but it's fucked up.

It's funny. This is the only way you'll learn how to fly. Yeah, by death. But anyways, there's all these tweets that I've been noticing, and I think Yahoo wrote an article about just all the people who are like, wow, Santa's a fucking dick, man. Right, or like nihilist Twitter. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, Santa, very weird that we invite this old man into our homes every year. I know. I was trying to explain Santa to my son and keep it upbeat, but I can tell there's a flicker of terror in his eyes as I was just like, and then he comes to our house. But you'll be asleep. You'll never see him. Well, let's talk about the gift that keeps on giving. Not really.

Contributing to our existential panic. Yeah. Not really. Contributing to our existential panic. Yesterday we were talking about how I thought it made sense that Paul Manafort was probably just telling everything that was going on during his plea deal, his lawyer was regularly reporting back to the White House on like everything Mueller was asking about and basically just arming them with a game plan for the president's defense. I just I'm so disappointed.

Like, I thought we could actually trust this guy. You know, I mean, you have always said that. I mean, what else has got to happen? Yeah. He was taken off a house arrest. After that, I thought, nope, this is the end of it. You know, because, you know, witness tampering. I thought this was going to be it.

We can really we can believe in him now. He's gotten that out of his system. But this is so shocking and disappointing. I know. What are you going to do? You know, I think, you know, this is this is America. But yeah, I think it was really interesting also to see how like Rudy Giuliani he's also quoted in this New York Times article where he's almost like gloating about it where he was almost like

fist pumping like yeah we played Robert Mueller's dumb ass he died oh he was he was dealing with him the right seems to be uh spiking the football on this the dredge reports headline is Mueller cornered question mark and it's just links through to an article being like, yeah, Manafort was reporting back to the White House about everything. And it's just like, so are you guys like you guys admit that there's something to hide here and you're just like trying to fuck with the investigation? Like they seem to have crossed a line where they're openly like, haha, fuck you. We made it so you can't find out the thing we didn't do wrong.

I mean, that's really the only hands they have left to play are just like these weird sort of... Hail Marys. Yeah, and like intellectually, morally bankrupt ideas about how this investigation is working and where the power is residing at the moment. I have no clue.

In that article, there was some line about Giuliani speaking about it. Yeah, of course he was telling the president. We wanted to know what was going on. There's something to that effect. It helped us form a legal defense. I'm paraphrasing, but you're like, what?

I can't believe that's legal? Well, yeah, that's the amazing thing, too, because when all these former U.S. attorneys and people from DOJ were being interviewed on all the shows, they're all been like, I mean, so what? Like, you know, this is illegal. They're like, no, it's just unethical. Right. But because we lived in a country where people used to give a fuck.

That lawyer is going to look like a total asshole after this, because typically the one thing they were saying is, you know, even though Manafort and Trump had this joint defense agreement, that once you flip, meaning you have switched teams, there is no longer a reason to have a joint defense agreement. Because at that point you are on the opposition side, but was still carrying on with it and didn't dissolve the agreement or whatever. But I mean, when you couple that with like all the shit that Jerome Corsi is also like up against too, you're like, yo, these people know like they're in too fucking deep and they're just angling for their pardons because Corsi fucking just dumped his plea deal like on Twitter was like, hey, check out what Robert Mueller is trying to do. And that's basically like Robert Mueller outlining all of his crimes, namely that he was acting as a fucking conduit between Roger Stone and WikiLeaks. And so like you're starting to see what Mueller knows and what they're up against and just

sort of like, all right, fuck it. We'll just lie about everything. We'll pardon it. Let's just see if this thing will blow over. Yeah, they're just gunning for pardons. Yeah. But the emails that they have between like they're like Roger Stone and like Jerome Corsier – Stone's like – I just have to read in this thing because it's so vague. In this document, the draft agreement of the plea deal, it says Roger Stone emails Jerome Corsi. and it's redacted and a parenthetical says the founder of organization one at Ecuadorian embassy

in London and get the pending organization one emails they deal with foundation so you're like okay so get to wiki leaks founder Julian Assange to talk about the Clinton foundation's emails and then Jerome Corsi just sent some local journalist guy who he works with who's living in the UK to go meet with Assange. And then the timeline of looking at what these emails show and what Roger Stone was saying, you're like, oh, you guys, it's so,

it's like now just really in your face now. So I have a question. Things move so fast and it's so confusing. But so this manafort this story that the guardian printed yesterday about manafort meeting with julian assange at the ecuador embassy yeah embassy and then at the end of the day it was like well we might not be able to verify that or what saying like people have been fact checking and trying to reach out but the guardian stands behind its sourcing right and so that's not something that we can count as being true.

Or do you guys have any more information on that? It was just so specific because they described what outfit he was wearing. So it just seems like if it's believing a journalistic institution that claims that they have it backed up and have exactly what his outfit was when he was doing it versus believing Paul Manafort, I'm going with the journalistic institution. it backed up and have like exactly what his outfit was when he was doing it versus believing Paul Manafort. I'm going with the journalistic institution. God, it's just old habits are diehard, you know, like I really want to believe Manafort. And I don't blame you.

Also, Trump has, as we're recording this, a story is breaking that he said in an Oval Office interview that a pardon for Paul Manafort is on the table. Oh, God. Of course. Of course he did. Of course it is. But that seemed too, I don't know, like blatant a while back.

It's all they got. It really does seem like, I mean, both in the reaction of kind of spiking the football on Giuliani, like fist pumping and the drudge report, just skipping over the idea of a crime being committed and being like, ah, they've outmaneuvered Mueller. It just seems like a line has been crossed where now it doesn't matter if they committed a crime originally. Now it's just about like a game of chess, whether Mueller, who just inherently is bad because he's not on their side, whether he can find out what they did. And so if you're in that space, then yeah, why wouldn't you pardon Manafort? Because that's going to help you the most.

And who are you going to get shit from? Not your base, which is all they care about. The base doesn't care. I think it's very, there's no way you can deny that shit happened. Right. It's just obvious. And they know it. Yeah.

They know it. They don't care. Yeah. The wheels are coming off. So that's why it's just like, well, fuck any sort of moral argument about this. Like, well, let's just try to obscure the facts as much as possible. Yeah. We got Matthew Whitaker in there, too.

Yeah. And who knows, like, what he's willing to do or not do yet. And if all this stuff that Paul Manafort and Jerome Corsi are pulling, because maybe they have some other greater plan with Matt Whitaker at DOJ that they'll figure out some other way to sidestep all this. But yeah, I mean, either way. Yeah, I mean, either way. Also, yesterday, the president tweeted a image meme that was a bunch of his enemies and people who had mail bombs sent to them, like in a prison cell, just like a very bad Photoshop

job. And it basically said, like, if now that we know there's no Russian collusion, when are we going to start talking about, like, treason trials or putting people on trial for treason and the people he's suggesting have committed treason are Mueller Obama for some reason both Clintons and his own

deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein even Sox the cat yeah Sox the cat well I mean there's definitely Socks is looped into this He's into it yeah even Bill Clinton's saxophone Yes That is the deep state

Let's talk about John Bolton you guys Well yeah we're speaking of obscuring the facts To just try and be like Hey I don't know what the fuck's going on even though something terrible's going on Yes on Tuesday The White House had another Lie fest or I guess they're called briefings, in which the highlight had to probably be John Bolton just coming up with this mess about

why he isn't really moved by the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, the Washington Post journalist and resident of the United States. Not a citizen, okay, just a legal resident. So we don't got to act all sad about it. But yeah, like, you know, there's been a lot going on because the president is still refusing to hold Saudi Arabia accountable in any way, aside from like the weird jokey stuff they're doing of like, hey, we've identified 17 people who will probably get executed or whatever, because they did a bad thing all rogue uh but you know a journalist was pressing him about like well have you listened to the tapes like it doesn't seem like your reaction is like this sounds like a terrible thing yeah

right and so this is a little interaction between john bolton and some uh a journalist uh when being pressed about his interest in listening to the audio tape. Let me take the question of the tape first. No, I haven't listened to it. And I guess I should ask you, why do you think I should? What do you think I'll learn from it? Well, you're the national security advisor. You might have access to that sort of intelligence. How many in this room speak Arabic? You don't have access to an interpreter? Well, you want me to listen to it? What am I going to learn from, I mean, if they were speaking Korean, I wouldn't learn any more from it either. An interpreter would be able to tell you what's going on.

Well then I can read a transcript too. So you don't think it's important that you hear that at the national security office? I'm just trying to make the point that everybody who says, why don't you listen to the tape, unless you speak Arabic, what are you going to get from it? Have you read it? Really. Wow. the tape unless you speak arabic what are you going to get from it really wow on which somebody is murdered and dismembered right uh i can just listen to a transcript it'll probably just be like parenthetical screaming right right i get it i get okay yeah so screaming hold him down okay get the bone saw. It all seems, I don't know.

I don't know what you want to do with this. It's just like one of those, yeah. This isn't even a real language. Just bury your head in the fucking sand. I mean, the point is for you to listen so you can understand the horror of it and understand that this is something that you'd imagine civilized nations

aren't going to engage in this kind of shit but again if if your end game is to like hey i gotta be able to sleep at night for covering this up yeah why the fuck am i gonna let his screams haunt me it's what he should have said right yeah i mean it seems like splitting hairs to avoid answering a question about like the content of the tape i mean like yeah you've got a translator that can tell you what it is and you're not actually speaking to the content of the tape. I mean, like, yeah, you've got a translator that can tell you what it is and you're not actually speaking to the content of it. You're saying, I'm not listening to it,

but you know what's on there. Right, right. You know what happens in the tape. So let's not just pretend it's about, like, also that's a ridiculous thing to say, but like get to the meat of it. Right, right. Well, then I think Sarah Sanders also went on

to just sort of basically say that like, you know, quote, we haven't seen definitive evidence come from our intelligence community that ties him directly to that in terms of MBS's involvement. Now, sure, you don't have a fucking text message where MBS is like, go dismember homeboy at the embassy. Do murder now. But the CIA's assessment, based on all the intelligence that they've gathered and our partners around the world have contributed to sort of begin for the Turkish government has gathered for us to begin to see what happened. They believe with high confidence that he had much to do with this murder. They all believe it. They all know he did it. Yeah.

I don't care. I think what they're using is that like, you know, because it's an assessment and they won't say, yes, it 100% dead to rights. It's this. It's like, we have high confidence based on everything we know. This is most more than likely that this is the case. I think they're using that to just sort of operate in this like, well, we haven't, they haven't seen any direct evidence. I mean, he didn't do it with his own hands.

So what are you going to. So what are you trying to say? Like that he was there? Because I don't think he was. Right. I mean, he didn't do it with his own hands. So what are you going to- So what are you trying to say? Like, that he was there? Because I don't think he was. Right. This was Theresa May or somebody that, you know, or anybody that he doesn't get a lot from. Right.

He would be first on board sounding the alarms about it. Yeah. But because either, whether it's this arms deal or whatever fucking relationship they have. Whatever like Trump hotels that are being built there. Or like tapes they have. If we thought the P-tape was bad, who knows what the other tape is going to be. But I think that's where I also, Bolton had to go up there and claim that the reports about CIA Director Gina Haspel not being allowed to go talk to the Senate. They were like, yo, what's up with that?

Like, why isn't she being allowed to do this? Like, well. Wait, what happened? The CIA? they were like yo what's up with that like why isn't she being allowed to do this like well wait what happened the CIA that yeah that the White House was basically trying to keep Gina Haspel from testifying in front of the Senate about the Khashoggi murder because this is the person who is the fucking head of the CIA who's looked at all the intel who's gone to Turkey to speak with the intelligence people there like to come back and be like, okay, CIA, what do you think? Doing the thing that we do,

we have determined that this is what happened. Right, and then he was just like, well, you know, I don't know anything about that. I think that's just fake news or whatever. Cut to her not being on the Senate, not testifying in front of them at all. And then when Mike Pompeo was there and they asked him about it,

he was like, well, I was here because I was asked. I can't speak for anyone else. Right. But maybe she wasn't asked or told not to say anything. Yeah. But yeah, this is just, you know, throw it on the pile of terrible, terrible things that the government is choosing to ignore because it's somehow beneficial to them in some way. Well, at the end of the day, it benefits him to have other strong men in power. Sure.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think he just inherently respects it. Yes. Because it's what he wants to be. He's like, oh, God, why can't I be the crown prince? Why can't I murder journalists who say bad shit about me? Oh, God. Daddy, I want to be a crown prince.

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Most of the time. And we're back. And let's talk about Fuller House, guys. Let's lighten it up. I love Full House. Okay. I'm coming out. Full House or Fuller House?

Here we go. I like Full House and Fuller House. Oh, shit. And now this is a very, very divisive issue. Would this be your underrated? No, no. I think it's properly rated as a fucking trash fire. But I love trash fires because I am cold out there all the time.

Nothing can keep me warmer than a nice old trash fire. For whatever reason, because it's so aggressively terrible, there's something like really comforting about the predictable, ignorant, often sometimes racist writing on that show. Like when they went to Japan. On Fuller House? Oh, they went to Japan and there were some moments I was side-eyeing and I was like, I'm going writing on that show. Like when they went to Japan. On Fuller House? Oh, they went to Japan and there were some moments I was side-eyeing it. And I was like, I'm going to still watch though. Because I've got to know how Kimmy Gibbler is as a wedding coordinator. You're part of the problem, Miles.

Yeah, I know. And I don't know what to do. But I stopped watching the NFL. So, you know, I've got to trade one for one. Okay, okay. But I think the show is like, yeah, it's one of those things where some people like have embraced the trash fire. Other people are just I think their tastes have changed so much that they are just completely repulsed by the fact that the writing is so like one note and unimaginative. It's weird because sometimes they kind of venture into progressive kind of ideas.

But then they'll do like the old timey like 80s or early 90s sitcom writing, which are just jokes based on gender roles or whatever. Does every episode end with an adult talking to a child with some heartfelt strings in the background? Yeah, of course. And then a plate of cookies and a hair tussle. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. So when the fourth season thing came out-

Fourth season? Yeah, they've already had four seasons of Fuller House. That's wild. Believe it or not. I can't believe that it's been four fucking out. Fourth season. Yeah, they've already had four seasons of Fuller House. That's wild. Believe it or not. I can't believe that it's been four fucking seasons. Anyway. Time flies. People must be watching it because Netflix, they know how it's doing.

Yeah. And like the numbers have to be there. But a lot of the write-ups have been like, how the fuck is this thing back? But I don't know. Did you watch Full House, Katie? I watched Full House when I was younger. It was fine. It was never my favorite. I've not ever considered you watch Full House, Katie? I watched Full House when I was younger. It was fine. It was never my favorite.

I've not ever considered watching Fuller House, however. They don't have the twins, right? No. So what's the point? What do they say? How do they address that? Do they die? They're just like they got in a boat accident?

No, no, no. Or she. They play one. Yeah, that Michelle was off doing her own thing in Europe. Oh, yeah. They'd like do it in the first episode of the first season of the reboot. Got it. But shout out to Mary-Kate and Ashley.

You went to kindergarten through eighth grade with them. You did? Did you? Yeah. Nice. Yeah. They were never at school. Yeah.

I think they just went there to basically say, we go to a school. Right. They sent home homework. Yeah. Maybe. Gives that set life. Have you seen Fuller House, Jack? Fuller?

No, I have not. I did watch Full House quite a bit. I was a TGIF head growing up. That was pizza night at my household. So Friday night we would order some pizza, watch some garbage television. I think I knew it was garbage at the time like i didn't have like strong feelings about it it was just yeah yeah i don't either just something that was passively on a lot yeah i think this actually ties to what we're talking

about with christmas music and that it's just like there's like this nostalgia oh 100 100 behind the appeal and i need to regress right i need to go to a to a simpler time. Well, that's what people are craving right now. Yeah. I guess we've always kind of crave it. Yeah. But especially now. Yeah, I don't know what... You know what I found myself?

I really like Kimmy Gibbler now. Really? Really. Really into the Gibbler now. Has she... Has she matured? Yeah. Has she developed as a performer?

She has not. Okay. But that's what's great is that it looks like she just, like the show never ended and she may have just aged a few years, but like the vibe, the charisma is the exact same. Yeah. So she's actually the one constant to me. Okay. That has appeared throughout the show.

I was like, you're still a weird Gibbler. Are the uncles or the dads? Like is Bob Saget there? They show up like one or two episodes a season. Okay. So it'll be like the holiday one and then Danny will show up. I feel like Dave Coulier, Uncle Joey has come back more than any of the guys. Right, he doesn't have that much to say. Stamos has a burgeoning or an exploding career.

And Saget probably doesn't come back a lot because the showrunners are like, he's kind of problematic these days. Yeah, he is. Well, he's, yeah, I think he maybe once a season. I don't know if he was in the last one. That's interesting. So very few of the original people.

I think it's a way for the kids to get a check. It's DJ, Stephanie, and that's it? And their kids? And Kimmy Giblin? DJ, yeah, it's DJ, Kimmy,

Stephanie, and then there are significant others. Oh, okay, which. Those were all of my least favorite characters in the original. Yeah, right,

exactly. How rude. What? Wow. You know what? It is rude. Holy shit. Yeah,

I think, what's Homeboy's name, though? Steve. Was that DJ's boyfriend? Yeah, yeah. He's back, and they have like a will they, won't they kind of thing going on. So she's like divorced? Yeah.

Her husband died. That's not divorced. In 9-11? Oof. What? No, it was something. The Oklahoma City bomb. No, it was something weird.

It was some kind of tragic death. So are her children grown up? No, this can't. The Oklahoma City bomb. No, it was something weird. It was some kind of tragic death. So are her children grown up? No, this can't be 9-11. It's like he's a firefighter who died, or I think he was a firefighter in the military or something. But the father has passed away. Oh, okay. But she's got some young children. Dang, that family's cursed.

She has kids with a guy who died in 9-11. Who's passed away. Just like her dad. There's a parent we don't see. He was actually one of the hij who died in 9-11. Who's passed away. Just like her dad. There's a parent we don't see. He was actually one of the hijackers in 9-11. I think so. That's dark. That's one of the backstories, which was surprising.

No, he's dead. And then she comes back to where she grew up and her ex-boyfriend's there. And there's a will they won't they? Yeah, he's also in town still. You know, DJ is like a veterinarian. You know, she's doing her thing huh shout out to you they should cross over with like the step-by-step universe because i'd be interested to see what step by like what uh that problematic dude who lived in the van cody uh

yeah i forgot all about dude cody was born on a leap year so he was only like he's only seven now yeah because i remember when his was like his birthday he's like hey now. That's right. Because I remember when his birthday was like, hey, and I'm only six. Right. I was like, all right, dude. You live in a fucking van outside. That is a show I'd revisit. Yeah. Step by step.

I liked that one. The expanded TGIF universe would give Marvel a run for its money. Yeah. I mean, Netflix would be the place to do that. Right. If you could have, if Ur, shows up to start dating DJ. Yeah. I want to see Out of This World.

Wow. Remember Out of This World? Yes. I don't. You don't remember where, is it Evie or whatever? She was half alien from outer space. Okay.

And then her mom. And she had a crystal ball where she could talk to him through a crystal ball. And she could freeze time by putting her fingers together. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that move.

It was pretty sweet. I wanted that so bad. Yeah. It's like the Zack Morris timeout. I would try to do it all the time. Oh, dude, Zack Morris timeout is oof. One of the great superpowers out there. That was my first Harry Potter experience as a kid.

I was like, yeah, that's magic. Zack Morris. Right. Just being like, timeout. I want to be just like that asshole white kid. Yeah. Right. Did you watch that series?

That was like Zack Morris is an asshole. No. It's like a Funny or Die thing where people just break down like a few episodes. He is. Dude, look at this fucking sociopath. He's awful. Yeah, he's a bad guy. Why did we root for him?

Yeah, he's a bad guy. Well, it was all because it was all his dream. Right. Right. It was. It was all a dream. Hmm. Isn't that the theory that you were talking about once? Yeah.

Cody actually wrote it up for us. The idea is that based on the intro music to this, if you pay attention to the lyrics, it's all about- Wake up in the morning. Yeah. Wake up in the morning. So it sets it up. So the intro part is all about a shitty day at school and then it's

like he gets home from school and then the show starts so the idea is that this show is all what he dreams at night when he's sleeping and reality is what we saw in season one which is he lives in indiana uh his teacher is miss bliss and he's like a C student. Right. People are just like, oh, Zach, you're kind of an idiot. And in this version, he lives in California. Yeah. He's the most popular kid in school. He gets all A's.

Has anyone got comment from the show creators about that? No, I don't think so. That's maybe something we should do. Yeah. Comment them about that.

Chase it down. Press them, yeah, like on some Michael Moore shit. Yeah, I mean, well, if that show was being released now with Twitter, they wouldn't stand a chance. They'd have to answer some questions.

Everything. They're like, why is Jesse Spano on pet pills? Like that. Right, right. Great episode, though. Oh, my God. I'm so excited. I'm so scared.

That's a refrain in my head all the time. How did the school go from Indiana to Bayside between season one and season two? I don't know. Is there an explanation? No, they just were just like, you know, it'd be cooler. This was Bayside in between season one and season two. I don't know. Is there an explanation? No, they just were just like, you know, it'd be cooler if this was Bayside. California, bro! Anyways, let's talk movies and the movie

that nobody saw this past weekend, Robin Hood starring Taron Egerton and Jamie Foxx. Is that Joel Edgerton? Is he related to Joel Edgerton? No clue. It costs a little under $100 million and made $14 million over the weekend. I had no idea that this movie existed.

Yeah. This was a surprise when I saw people talking about it online. I was like, what? Yeah. Why? So one of the details that wasn't immediately apparent to me from the preview is that it apparently really, it makes Robin Hood like a member of Antifa. Like he wears a mask.

It also has a beat for beat recreation of the plot from Batman Begins. Like almost identical. Yeah. First of all, he's like a rich guy who's like an outsider who comes back home after like crusades. But isn't that Robin Hood's real backstory, though? Well, it's got other stuff like he's a playboy who like then becomes like this character, the hood, where he like wears a mask and like fights crime as the hood. Well, so they basically Batmanify it. Oh, and then he's chilling with people in the city acting like, oh, this hood guy is crazy.

Yeah. Versus like in the forest. He's like a playboy during his day job. Oh. Yeah, so a lot of weird shit happens. To the point that even like he has a friend who's like a politician character who's like a good guy and gets half of his face burnt off

and then turns bad at the end. A little two-facing? Yeah, a little two-face. He's called a dual facade. So back off. And also everyone's wearing really obviously modern jackets for some reason. Yeah, the costuming is absurd.

They're just wearing what looks like Rick Owens. What year are they having this Robin Hood take place? In the Middle Ages. That's ridiculous. Yeah, it's pretty wild. You idiot. So hyper-stylized. It's absurd.

But when he becomes the Hood and tries to fight against the government, he really looks like they've just designed him to be a member of Antifa. Right, and he's fighting the Proud Boys. Right. Also, right? Yes, exactly. That's an unfortunate direction they've gone. It is.

So this is what I wanted to talk about because nobody saw this, so it's not really in the Zeitgeist, but it is an interesting conversation about how movies incorporate the Zeitgeist and what works and what doesn't. Because if you directly are like, okay, there's this war going on and we're gonna take soldiers from that war and tell a story that's really straightforward, I feel like that doesn't work quite as well. But if you have a metaphor

that isn't overtly about that war, like MASH was about Korea, even though it was clearly about Vietnam. It was? Oh my God. I look so stupid. MASH was about Korea, even though it was clearly about Vietnam. It was? Oh, my. Fuck, dude. I look so stupid. Yeah.

I got in a lot of arguments about that. Okay. Sorry, Rick, at the 35-er. Yeah. I have a hard time with a lot of references to what's happening in movies and pop culture. Like, when people talk about Trump or make a Trump reference in your show, Mr. Robot, for example, in the latest season, a lot of Trump references and it makes me grossed out.

It seems cheap. It's not like an intelligent, just like this. Say, okay, Antifa, is it actually the Proud Boys? I don't think so. That's a joke or not. Humor joke. But regardless, like that's- Too on the nose.

Too on the nose. Well, if it was really, I mean, Robin Hood should be a socialist, but- Whoa, whoa, whoa. If we're going to do that. I think politicians are taking, I'm sorry, let me finish your thought. No, I mean, that's kind of it, rambling. It just really grosses me out. It makes my skin crawl.

Yeah, because aren't the people on left and right are trying to be able to have ownership over this narrative? This came up in a Bernie-Ted Cruz debate. Oh, it did? Yeah, where Ted Cruz was like, no, Robin Hood is a Republican because the thing he's fighting against are taxes. And big government.

And big government and big government You're missing the core message of what he is take from the rich and give to the poor you asshole Yeah, the the taxes in those days were very rich people taking money from poor people. Okay, it wasn't I see wait But yeah another movie like this, and I didn't see it, but apparently Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom was, you know, it did fine. It's like the fourth biggest movie domestically at the box office this year. I think it did fine. Yeah.

But the first one was like far and away number one. And so, I mean, it's really hard to fuck up a movie about dinosaurs like that come back to it with with good special effects but apparently this one like had this weird backstory about cloning and also uh which is zeitgeisty and also there's a very obvious trump character like a guy who's like a powerful guy with Trump's hair who like enters a meeting at one point with like bright lights behind him like Trump did in the RNC. Right.

And I just wonder if that dampened the success of the movie a little bit is like just being like, but Trump, man, think about it. We want to, especially now, escape when we go spend a lot of money at the movies. I really don't need that sad reminder that's pretty pathetic anyway. Like it doesn't do justice to what's happening. And I don't need that reminder, that direct reminder.

Also, I've talked about this on our podcast, but I resent that probably the rest of our lifetime is going to be inundated with pieces, with entertainment that is dealing with this. Like just one example, you know, like, okay, Trump, but also just some little thing about the, some ban or like the Russia thing. Like they can, you can do a million different stories and documentaries and that's gonna be our life right i hate that i hate that i'm not ready ready to accept that right well i think it's also just odd if people if the writers think like yeah and then i'm gonna put this trump character in and that'll wake people the fuck up right like no that's not your responsibility write the fun story people know enough already about what's going on and even the people who

don't they're not gonna watch fucking that's not going to watch fucking Jurassic Park and go, hold the fuck on. I think Donald Trump might be fucking this country up. I don't know what it was about those dinosaurs. I saw Jurassic Park and it really got me thinking. The movies that are overperforming are still connecting with the current moment, like Black Panther, obviously. Incredibles 2 did incredibly well. No pun intended.

2. My brain did incredibly well, too. And it was like Black Panther, obviously. Holy shit, a non-white male superhero. That's incredible. Or in the case of The Incredibles, this story was more focused on the mom, whereas the first one was,

you know, like all movies back then, focused on the dad. And, you know, a star is born, or a quiet place is like, some people have claimed it's a convoluted metaphor for like how alt-right people feel and like white people.

Or conservatives. Yeah, conservatives being like, I can't say anything or these brown monsters come and like kill me for any negative thing I say about them. But it's also been described as like a metaphor the other way around that like it's the surveillance state

and the people in power. So that's, I think A Quiet Place is a good example of like how these metaphors tend to be more successful. It's like, it's a vague feeling of dread that is, yeah, but the monsters don't have like shitty hair or something. I think that's way more valuable because we want to be talking about the issues or the problems that are happening in a way that's more abstract. So it's not just about Donald Trump because it's bigger than him. That asshole has brought all of this to the surface, but the tensions that he's inflaming,

that the shit that's happening, the questions that we have right now have been there and it's good to, to be paying attention to it and making art about it, but don't go for the cheap stuff. Be smart about it. Right. Well, like you say,

it's when it's more abstract like that, it would actually inspire more critical thinking from someone who would try and be like, hey, that's kind of like now. Dang. Yeah. Or like, wow, I never thought about that. But it is funny that a lot of the movies that are overperforming are just Hollywood finally having the brainstorm like, like oh every movie doesn't have to be about white males

like Crazy Rich Asians like is doing incredibly well. Oceans 8 did really well and yeah so I don't know another kind of sublimating weird way people are dealing with tension. The Nun

did was a runaway hit. Was it? We've been talking about how people are feeling like evil is back. Oh, right. Yeah, their exorcisms are up. We talked about that on yesterday's podcast. That's fascinating. Yeah.

I didn't know that. I'm going to have to listen to yesterday's podcast. Exorcisms, though. Interesting. Yeah, exorcisms, the Nun, Halloween obviously overperformed, but that's just. I wish I lived in a reality where an exorcism was an actual feasible answer to a problem. Yeah. Because that would make things so much easier.

I'm like, well, I'm going to need an exorcism then. Right. I'm like, this child needs an exorcism. Let's just get this shit out right now. Let's deal with it. Let's deal with it. Look, it's not my parental issues. It's a motherfucking demon from hell that I got to get rid of with holy water.

We need to do a deep dive on this Atlantic article because it's interesting. They go into like the exorcism process and community. And a lot of it is like, yeah, a lot of these people are dealing with like sexual abuse histories. Right. Like mental illnesses. And it's like, yeah, wait, you guys know that you realize right you get that there's like mental health issues going on yeah well they don't trust a shrink they trust a priest okay well no it's they the catholic church actually sends people to a uh mental health like resource oh first oh

right you were saying that and then once that's been, if they can... It's just like way more, they take it more seriously and more scientifically than I expected, but... Well, maybe there's something to

the placebo effect of the exorcism being like, well, we got it out and I feel better. Right. Now the devil's gone. Man.

Wait, so they have to tie you up on a bed? I have no idea. So you don't actually get to see a real exorcism? That sucks. Because the person who he's following, who seems like she's having some issues,

they end up not needing to go full exorcism with her. Oh, that's nice. Oh, good. Well, if anyone has any hidden camera, like real life exorcism tapes, you can slide my way. I would like to see those. Yeah.

Katie, it's been wonderful hanging out with you. It's so nice to be here. This is fun. Having you on the show. Where can people find you? You can find me on Twitter. Katie Stoll. You can check out some more news on YouTube and even more news that I co-host with

Cody Johnston. That's a podcast? That's a podcast. That is a podcast. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, goodness. Okay. Did you guys see this one yesterday from Omar Najam? I believe his name. He took the Amazon Smile commercial and he replaced the music with the theme song from Winter Soldier. And it is so fucking funny. It's so funny. It's perfect. Because it all of a sudden looks really creepy. Because all these boxes smile. And there's dramatic shots of people turning and looking.

And it's incredible. I don't think it plays well if you guys were to play it for everybody on here. But just do yourself a favor and check it out. Okay. It'll make your day. Will you retweet it? I did retweet it. I will retweet it again.

If you follow Katie, if you check out her page, you'll see it there. Yeah, you'll see it there. But, you know, you can just find it on Twitter. Everyone's retweeting it. Yeah, that's true. It's a great one. All right. Miles, where can people find you?

You can find you and I tonight at the UCB Sunset Theater. Oh, shit. Yeah. It's sold out. Oh, yeah. Never mind. They could, like, hang out afterwards. I mean, you could get wait lists, you know, if you want to maybe see me pull up in my dirty car, you can see how I really live.

I'll come around 7.30. Are there going to be tickets at the doors? There's always wait lists for UCB shows because inevitably people bail. And they'll be like, okay, I think we have 15 seats or whatever many seats open. And then you have a chance to get in. They're early. Yes. And also we'll be in Chicago, which also is sold out.

But yeah. so sorry. Have we been getting good over-unders from people who are going to be at the show? We've been getting some good ones, but guys, please keep submitting. So if you're hearing this Thursday morning, which you should be if you're listening right, tweet at us with hashtag DZLiveLA or hashtag DZLiveChicago with your over, under, and myth for your chance to join us on stage to give your takes to the rest of the Zeit gang. But if you're looking for me on social media,

I'm on Twitter, yeah, and Instagram, at MilesOfGrey. A couple tweets I like. One comes from Kashana Kali, who's an author and writer, who tweeted, quietly developing a slingshot that hurls a history book

at each person who tweets, this is not who we are. That was a funny one. And another one from Conan O'Brien, because this was just such a good old man joke. It said, more like Paul, man, I fucked, am I right? And then in parentheses, all caps, Conan extends high five hand,

walks the earth in search of contact, receives no high fives, then quietly expires. Oh, Conan. Oh, Conan. Oh, Conan. The old weirdo. Tweet I've been enjoying. From the Angry Birds Drink Pee in the Angry Birds movie. Tweeted me.

That's the display name? Yeah, me. When I was your age, there was a band called Hoobastank. Grandson, his mind is clearly degraded. That cannot be true. The old man is dying. And you can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.

You can follow us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we're talking about in today's episode, as well as the song, We Ride Out On uh you can also find that information in the show notes wherever you're

listening to this uh miles what song are we gonna ride out uh yesterday we did a japanese band today i wanted to i believe there's a korean band because there is a humble in the writing of the title uh but this group is called mid-air thief and the song is called Why, with some Korean character. I do not know how to read, but it's kind of got a nice little picked guitar, like bossa nova-y thing, like bossa jazz kind of thing. I was really vibrating to this one. So I hope you will, too, on this Thursday. Did you just slide in that you don't know how to read? It's okay, man.

I mean, why are we doing this on air? You're doing a great job, though. Thank you. You're gifted at pretending you know how to read? It's okay, man. Why are we doing this on air? You're doing a great job, though. Thank you. You're gifted at pretending you know how to read. I have an earbud in that dictates things to me and I'm listening to it. And important breaking news as we leave. Kawhi Leonard has signed with New Balance. We'll see what those look like.

That's interesting. All right. We're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. We'll talk to you then and see you guys tonight. Bye. Bye. Bye. 내 눈 뜨고 떠내려봐

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