The Daily Zeitgeist - Bye Megyn, Trump’s JitterBug Is Tapped 10.26.18

Episode Date: October 26, 2018

In episode 261, Jack and Miles are joined by Smart Mouth podcast host Katherine Spiers to discuss Megyn Kelly out at NBC News, more suspicious packages, Google Trends, Trump's (lack of) phone security, who was Dorcas Reilly, Post Malone's Postmates obsession, and more!FOOTNOTES: 1. Megyn Kelly's NBC show has been a ratings nightmare, and was at risk even before she defended blackface2. Reports: Megyn Kelly Out At NBC News3. CNN 'bomb' - live: At least six suspicious packages sent to Obama, Clintons and news media organisations across US4. Should you worry about American democracy? Here’s what our new poll finds.5. Google Trends6. Stop Trying to Guess What the Mail Bomber Wants7. When Trump Phones Friends, the Chinese and the Russians Listen and LearnImage8. Sickness, fear, harassment in Mexico whittle away at caravan9. IN MEMORY OF THE AMERICAN INVENTOR DORCAS REILLY10. Post Malone Is Postmates’ Number One Customer After Spending Over $40K On Deliveries This Year11. Indiana Jones Land Possibly Coming to Disney’s Hollywood Studios Theme Park12. Nai Palm - Crossfire Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm your host, Santos Escobar, emperor of Lucha Libre and a WWE superstar. Listen to Lucha Libre Behind the Mask on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you stream podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 54, Episode 5 of Two Daily Zeitgeist for Friday, October 26, 2018. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Sometimes I take all the shine. Talk like a drunk Jack O'Brien. Kanye. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.

Miles Gray, you will find him stuck beneath the zeitgeist in a champagne supernova in the sky. Thank you so much to Doug Yefresh at DragonsOrDown1 on Twitter for that Oasis inspired, a.k.a. Man, I remember when I first heard that song like five years after it had been like a hit on the radio, and I was like, oh, this is so much better than Wonderwall. Wait, you— Champagne Supernova? Did you just not have that album? I think I did.

What's the story, Morning Glory? Yeah, I don't think I fully appreciated Champagne Supernova. Oh, yeah. In its first run on the radio. That was the only other song I listened to on that album. Yeah, it's a good one. I'm deep. Walking down the hall.

I was a deep 7th grader. Fat. Slowly walking down the hall, faster than a cannonball. It's like, wait, what? How do you do both 13, Noel? Can't handle this. Too much. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the very funny, very smart Catherine

Spires. Hi. What's up? I'm so glad that you set everyone up to think I'm funny and smart. Yeah. Okay. Thanks a lot for that. Got a lot to live up to.

I mean, if you were honest, I'd be like, uh, the questionable, who knows? I don't even know if Catherine's a real name. Right. Which would be fairer to me, I think. Really? Well, because then I would only exceed expectations. Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. The mediocre Catherine Spires.

Yay! Hey! So glad to be here. Welcome. Welcome, welcome. You've got mail. What? All right.

I got it. It's a 90s tick that I have. I have to complete that. File's done. All right. Catherine, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. But first, we're going to take our listener. I'm out of practice.

I'm a little rusty. Your momentum's shot. I'm out of practice. One day, your momentum's shot. I was out yesterday. You guys, the rumor that I was out because I saw these packages being mailed around and just ran and hid somewhere, it's not true. Because you're such a liberal. I'm very brave. So we're going to take our listeners through what we're talking about today, the goal of our show. We're trying to tell you what the nation is thinking and talking about, what's on America's mind and hiding in our unconscious. We use the headlines, box office reports, what's trending on Google and social media.

And today we are saying a fond farewell to one Megyn Kelly. saying a fond farewell to one Megyn Kelly. We are going to look at a list of the institutions that we have the most faith in in America by party because they're different depending on who you vote for. We are going to talk about the mail bomber and just all the different attempts to infer motive on both sides. We're going to talk about the New York Times reporting that China and Russia are listening in on Trump's phone calls. No.

On his, like, third phone, on his jitterbug. We're going to talk about the Saudis' continuing to evolve story on the Khashoggi murder. We're going to talk about the caravan. We're going to talk about Dorcas Riley. We're going to talk Post Malone. We're going to talk about the caravan. We're going to talk about Dorcas Riley. We're going to talk Post Malone. We're going to talk about so much today, guys. There's a lot on our mind as a country. But first, Catherine, what is something from your search history

that is revealing about who you are? How to make money podcasting? There you go. Oh, okay. If anyone has any ideas. No clue. I'm just trying to find out, yeah. I live go. Okay. If anyone has any ideas. No clue. Yeah. I'm just trying to find out.

Yeah. I live here. Yeah. I know. I have a podcast and I decided that that was good enough to start a podcast network off of. So now I have that and I'm like, oops. What now?

Hey, welcome to the club. Yeah. We got to start hanging out. No, I'm just joking. Oh, rude. We could hang out. No, no. I was totally joking start hanging out. No, I'm just joking. Oh, rude. We could hang out. No, no. I was totally joking about hanging out.

That will never happen, Catherine. What is something that you think is overrated? Microdosing. Microdosing. Is it overrated? Overrated. Wow. Microdosing LSD?

Yep. Yeah. Or mushrooms or what have you. Psilocybin, whatever. Yeah. And you're for megadosing. Yeah, megadosing only. I think my problem with it

is less like the taking of the drugs itself. It's the way it's becoming more talked about and more popular now. Sure. It's all these like Silicon Valley tech bros saying that they do LSD to be more productive at work. Yeah.

You fucking narcs. Stop it. If you're going to take drugs, do it for good reasons, not to like increase shareholder value have you microdosed lsd yeah i liked it well not lsd i was doing mushrooms and i did it for a few months because i have like anxiety and like concentration issues so i did it for all of these business reasons and i was like i'm the least spiritual person on the planet right now

why don't do it to be more effective at work yeah i wouldn't do it as a thing to be like, if I do this little bit of LSD, it's going to help my job. I think if anything, you can, I did the same thing when I was working on a story like at Playboy because that Rolling Stone article came out a few years ago and it was like, microdosing is the new Adderall or whatever. And so we met with this guy, James Fadiman, who's like the godfather of psychedelic research

and we microdosed at his house who's like the godfather of psychedelic research. And we micro-dosed at his house. And like having him kind of walk through what was sort of going on helped me understand a little bit better how like what the benefits were. But I wasn't like, oh, yeah, I'm going to operate like this all day. Like I think it could help if I think it probably worked better for creative people or if you're a writer. Because I noticed a lot of self-editing or sort of the facilitating anxiety went away that's what I was trying to do is have less anxiety but the thing too with mushrooms is that like if you get a basket of strawberries you know most of the strawberries are going to be like these are good strawberries and some are going to blow your mind and some are going to be like oh what did I just eat right it's the same with like these drugs it's

not uniform across the board yeah like so some days I'd feel really sick and one time I was like friends with a neon alligator. Oh, yeah. So you may have pushed past the perceptual thresholds of using psychedelics, which is when you start tripping and not really getting the micro dosing benefits. I know, but how are you supposed to know if you accidentally took,

I mean, there's things you can do. That's why I think LSD is easier because what you do is- Lab made. Yeah, and you know like you're diluting it at a certain level in distilled water, and then from there you're only taking two drops, and then you can kind of regulate. But yeah, mushrooms are a little bit more of a dice game.

I still think that I'm just- No one do it to work better. No, no. Anyone who is like, dude, it's my fucking secret. I'd be like, no. That's what I do instead of coffee. I'm like, sir, I only came up to you because I said you missed my stop and you were driving a bus. Miles, when you were hanging out, so you're hanging out at the Timothy Leary of micro dosing's house.

Yeah, me and Ramdeezy, Ramdas. And then, like, did you guys do math problems? We did all kinds of stuff. So first we started trying to juggle to see, like, just to test our coordination. And then we did other things like board games, like simple sort of like motor skill tests. So we played Operation and timed how quickly we could clear the board and how many mistakes we made. Or play Boggle or Yahtzee, which are more like number or word things. Yeah.

And I can't juggle at all. So I went into this being like dude i'm i don't care how much lsd i do i'm gonna fucking start juggling and if i do then you have a new customer but my friend did we did it together and he could juggle and he could do it like for a couple seconds and then what after like an hour into us micro dosing he did it like he almost couldn't stop yeah because he was just sort of, he just didn't think about it. And I, for the first time, got two balls going at one time. So it was a step forward.

But the biggest thing was like, how much better I was at operation. Because before, as he was talking to me, Dr. Fadiman's like, well, so what were you thinking when you were just doing it, like when you were sober or not microdosing? I was just like, I don't know, just get it out as quickly as possible. But then I was worrying about my technique. How do I approach each thing? And the next time I did it, as he was sort of having me talk through what was going on,

I was just sort of doing I wasn't thinking about it. Right. And it was just less there was just less thought going into things and more just kind of trusting myself a bit. That's really funny because apparently that's the difference between doctors and surgeons is there's that like trope about surgeons being like kind of dumb. It's like, oh, I just did it. I just cut him open.

Right, right, right, right. Just sick of my job. Yeah. Hey, I'm hoping I get fired or something. But yeah, it was like those other things. And then also, too, I found like even when we were on camera and i've you know when i'm on camera you're performing to a certain extent right and once he pointed out to us he's like before you started microdosing when you were interviewing me you were just you were sat up

like this and you were like very much like trying to get through your questions you had everything figured out and like now you're laying face down on the floor no i was literally i was like reclined i was so much my body language was so relaxed and I was just having a conversation. Yeah, but it was little things. And then the beast move I did is I backed out a Mercedes Sprinter van with no rear view camera

down the narrowest alley. None of the crew wanted to do it to mess up the rental car. And I was like, get me behind the wheel. And I finessed that thing out of the tightest driveway with, anyway,

but I'm not saying it's going to make you a superhero by any means. If anything, at best, you might do better at operation. All right. Yeah. So it's a performance-enhancing drug for operation. There you go. But also, there are, as we're seeing, there are many other benefits for a number of issues for people's mental states as well. That's more legit.

I think that's where, yeah, because I think recently the FDA just was sort of like being like, okay, we'll let you research psilocybin. Well, they'll only let you test it on people who are terminally ill anyway. Right. So it's a limited group, but apparently it actually makes fear of death go away for the terminally ill. So I think that's wonderful. Yeah.

That's amazing. Yeah. But is that microdosing? No, that's one where they give you a shit ton for one day, but apparently just being high for eight hours and then you're not afraid of death anymore, which everyone should do. You break through.

Yeah. Absolutely. What is something you think is underrated? Sort of gentle Canadian comedies. Okay. I'm super into my Canadian sitcoms right now. Okay. Specifically Kim's Convenience and Schitt's Creek.

Yeah. There's something about both those shows that I don't know anything about Canada, but I like to think it's that they're Canadian. They just have the gentlest jokes. Yeah. They're just so pleasant. You just sit down and have a nice time. Yeah.

And that's what I'm looking for right now. Sure. Yeah. Just trying to find a nice time. I don't know Kim's Convenience. It's on Netflix. It is. Yeah.

That's the only reason I saw it. Yeah. Is it airing in the US? No. Outside of Netflix? Right. No, I don't know Kim's Convenience. It's on Netflix. It is. Yeah, that's the only reason I saw it. Is it airing in the U.S.? No. Outside of Netflix? Right. No, I don't think so. And it's just about this Korean-Canadian family, and they own a little shop, and they go to church. And the one tension is that the son and the father don't talk.

But they're kind of working their way back to each other. It's just the nicest thing. There's stuff going on. Yeah. It's not like he was a science teacher who had cancer and he had to start making math. Exactly. Like, whoa.

Exactly. They're really doing the work of just being an escape for people. Nice. Yes. Which I like. That sounds tense. Schitt's Creek is great too

with Eugene Levy and his kids. Cameron O'Hara, I read that she didn't want to do a TV series because she's like, I don't want to be locked down. And they were like, we'll let you do whatever you want with the character. And you can tell when she's, she is so funny. She's so good.

She's amazing in this show. Is it an improvised show? It is not. Well, maybe there's a little bit. Yeah, I think they have room to improvise a little bit. Right, yeah. It's very much scripted. And Eugene Levy's son is super hot.

Who knew? Yeah. Bonkers wild sexy. What is a myth? What's something people think is true that you know to be false? Super foods. Just the idea of them. The idea that you could start eating a berry or a seed every day and that it'll change

your life in any way whatsoever. Not going to happen. Right. There are some foods that if you ate two pounds of it raw every day could maybe help your health a little bit. Things like broccoli. Do not eat two pounds of raw broccoli every day. Right.

Oh, and you should let people know that you have a background in food. You're not just some person who'd be like, I don't fuck with antioxidants. Yes. I mean, sure, eat your vegetables. But no, I'm a food writer and a food podcaster. So you don't have to trust me, but you should know that it's the thing that I read about all day, every day. Right.

What is a thing that people could, that maybe is there an underrated food, I guess, along that line where people, I think, like, well, just or maybe something about your diet that we don't realize. Very tiny doses of LSD. Right. Just dose everything. In an eyedropper. Yeah. Fantastic. And I've been doing that.

I think if people try and lose weight or whatever, I don't know, this idea of like eating certain things, I really think it's like don't ever eat anything that was like prepackaged and processed. Just about health in general, not weight loss. So McDonald's is good? Yeah. No. I told you, Jack? Yeah. No, no. I told you, Jack. See?

Well, no, it tastes good. Of course, yeah. All this stuff with being a food writer and being a food snob and stuff, I hate it when people say stuff like that. McDonald's doesn't taste good. Fuck you. Yes, it does. Who says that?

People say that. They're fucked up. And they're lying. If for no other reason, McDonald's employs the best and the brightest scientists in the world and pays them millions of dollars a year to develop things that taste good. Exactly. It tastes good. And now with that triple stack breakfast.

I'm in there like swimwear. All right. Let's get into the stories of the day, guys. It's time to say peace to Megyn Kelly. It's so hard. Oh, Megyn. She gone. say peace to megan kelly oh megan she gone uh so for i think people were expecting her to get canceled fairly soon because her ratings were not going well and they were paying her an obscene amount of money uh but she did not do herself any favors with her defense of blackface and then her apology, which started out by equating black people dressing up as lighter people with white people dressing up in blackface.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, she has to show it's not just there are other people doing bad, too. Right. It can't just be me and my shitty worldview. Right. There are also people doing bad too. Right. It can't just be me and my shitty worldview. Right. Like there are also people on the other side. And sure, maybe that could be distasteful, but they're not even comparable, little Miss Megan.

And then the way she yesterday was like, and then I found out yesterday that blah, blah, blah. I'm like, oh, okay, you found out yesterday. And then did the Dave Chappelle, I'm sorry, I didn't know I couldn't do that defense. And that defense apparently doesn't hold up in court or the court of public opinion. Yeah, or at least NBC News.

But she'll still get her obscene $69 million worth of her contract paid out. What I don't understand is, did she think she was being a badass when she was like, well, I don't know what's wrong with blackface? Because is she really that stupid? I think so. I think that is her worldview, right? Is that I think she doesn't think that the white supremacy is as pervasive or has these longstanding effects on people that it does.

And she's like, well, I look around and everything's fine. Black people are millionaires. What's wrong with a little black face? I don't know. Or she could be a troll. Yeah. I guess I'm doing the thing where I'm thinking that because she's rich that she's smart. That like common American mistake that we make.

But she could just be that stupid. Because I read that she was like saying that NBC was being hypocritical for punishing her when they aired footage of the Real Housewives of New York in blackface, which is what got it all started, the conversation started in the first place. I'm like, do you think your job is the same as a Real Housewives of New York has been? Right, right. Don't say that out loud. You don't deserve your job then.

You should be fired. Yeah. I don't know. I do think that this had to have been at least partially a calculated risk by her and some producer being like, look, we need to court controversy. What's a controversial take that you think you can back up? Because there's no way that she just hadn't been aware of blackface no i don't i don't buy that i think

that she does believe that it's not as bad as everyone's all outraged about it i think that's her stance on it and i think she does know yeah i get that that's that's you know it has a historical legacy but like really guys like i feel like that's her that was, you know, it has a historical legacy. But, like, really, guys? Like, I feel like that was her attitude towards it. It's like, come on. Right. I wonder if her viewer numbers went up after that whole Santa Claus can only be white thing. And she thought she would try that route again.

Yeah, I guess so, yeah. I didn't even know about this. Tell your kids. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A few years ago, she got in a fight on her old show about, what was it? It was about Santa Claus being different races in different malls. And she said that.

And she was like, but Santa's white. Right. Okay. Which. No, that makes sense then. Yeah. I mean, that definitely boosted her ratings on Fox News for sure. Yeah.

So then maybe she decided. I mean, there's a reason that they have staged, Wag the Dog style, a war on Christmas for the past decade. The liberal left is trying to take away our Christmas because, yeah, their viewers eat that shit up. Oh, yeah. Like it's a superfood. It's wild how bad her ratings were,

or at least what they saw from her going from her Fox show and thinking like okay because that show what was getting 2.7 million 2.7 million and then I just knew that off the top yeah and how much was her NBC show getting 2.4 so she went down I think their idea was once we take her from this small cable outlet to, you know, mainstream, she's going to be exposed to a lot of new people and they're all going to, you know, come on board. And it was actually just like 300,000 people who were fans of hers back at Fox News were like, nah, she sold out. And then like the rest of them came over and everybody else was like, oh, no, we knew about Megyn Kelly. You do not need to tell us about Megyn.

We never wanted her. Yeah. No, we knew about her. You guys can just keep her. And then from Jump Street, wasn't one of the first episodes when Jane Fonda came on? Oh, yeah. And that set the stage for everyone being like, whoa.

Yes. And then there was like, then I remember the next thing was like Will and Grace the next thing was like will and grace for that reboot came on and someone was talking about how they like they had i think come out or something because of seeing like jack on will and grace or something and then she was like oh yeah like i think the gay thing is really gonna work out great for you or something like that oh my god i think she's one of those assholes who think she's funny yes right says mean things to people and weird right and also she's a morning show right like who thinks she's funny. Yes. Right. Says mean things to people and weird.

Right. And also she's a morning show, right? Like the whole, like Kelly Ripa is bubbly. Right, right, right. Like,

and if you're going to do the whole like blonde news anchor thing in the morning, you have to be like so friendly. Yeah. Not like Lucille Bluth in the morning. Basically. She's kind of like a young Lucille Bluth. Well,

she's kind of no bullshit. And then if you, she's not going to be like, Oh, ha ha. Like everything will be like, I'm going to fucking dig in here.uth. Well, she's kind of no bullshit. And then if you, she's not going to be like, oh, ha ha. Like everything will be like, I'm going to fucking dig in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really get into it. Yeah. But also just will gladly stick a knife into your.

I would pay to see Lucille Bluth in the morning. That was a TV show. Like, my God. And that's just the name of it too. Yeah. Yeah. And it's hosted by Al Roker. I don't care.

Just for the name. I'll be like, yes it's hosted by al roker i don't care just for the name i'm just ep'd by lucille bluth that's executive produced for non-hollywood people you guys knew that uh all right let's talk about the institutions that we trust here in america yeah it is a bummer yeah it's Who did this poll? This was a poll by the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation And Georgetown University's Baker Center for Leadership and Governance Damn, you just sounded like a NPR interstitial You really did

Thank you so much Brought to you by Kale And yeah, I think they used the firm YouGov And they did 5,400 online interviews from June 12th to July 19th and basically asked people how they felt about certain institutions ranging from at the top, you know, like the executive branch, religion, banks, major companies, local police, down to nonprofits, Facebook, Amazon, Google, labor, FBI, colleges, the press. And the results are, man, like the partisan gaps on some of these things are very pronounced. And it's very interesting to see who the most trusted institution is for either party. Yeah. So on the right, not totally surprising, the most trusted institution is the military.

By far, yeah. God bless the troops. By far. On the left, come on the left. God bless the troops. By far. On the left, come on the left. Right. We need to try harder. Their most trusted institution

is Amazon. That is so embarrassing. We're not gonna make it. Oof. Why? Their next is colleges and universities, which seems defensible.

And then the military. But what's funny, for Republicans too, Amazon's three. Yeah. Yeah, we're all messed up. We're all fucking on that Jeff Bezos teat. But there's so much I don't understand. We're talking about who do you trust more, the military or Amazon? That's a real apples or oranges type situation.

I think it's just more like the language that they used to describe it. There was less negative sentiment. Like it was a combination of things that generally they use that to create a metric about confidence versus like, who do you inherently trust more with your safety, Amazon or the military?

Well, right. Yeah, yeah. But even putting them on the same playing field, I guess. But except for why, maybe it makes total sense. They're both huge organizations that employ many people

and are responsible for so much money. Yeah, and provide things for people. it's uh it's just like in a way like i feel like that's what the future civil war is it's like amazon versus the military that's our skynet yes yeah yeah no absolutely but that is the thing democrats are always so embarrassing oh yeah 100 stop it come the fuck on so a big difference is how the right feels towards the press. Now, you're not going to believe this, guys, but their least trusted institution on the right is the press. Just the press at large.

And they're the seventh most trusted or sixth most trusted on the left. Right. So still not doing great. And the left's least trusted? I mean, this makes sense. The executive branch. Of course. And the executive branch is the fourth most trusted on the right.

After Amazon, though. Because they know a real billionaire when they see one. Deep down, they know. Local police is the right's second most trusted. And for the left, it's colleges and of like most of these kind of make sense like what the positive

yeah yeah it's the amazon thing that i'm still trying to wrap my head around a little bit you know like i get that you're like well when i say next day prime it shows up and when they don't they text me and they're like, we fucked up. It's coming the next day. And here's a little 10% thing to make you feel good. I don't know if just because of customer service. We're all so easy. We're just easily swayed.

Yeah, for sure. That's what it comes down to. And it could just be because for some people, especially if you live in a remote part of the country or something, having something like Amazon probably does really help you in some way by being able to get goods quickly or whatever. But, I mean, come on, though. As an institution? No, they made millions and millions of people's lives more convenient,

and most of them don't have to work for Amazon. Right, that's the other funny thing, too. It works out really well for them. But, yeah, I i mean this is probably something that needed to happen for jeff bezos to be able to come but otherwise i don't know what impact it has other than just looks at the stats of this yeah oh my god yes yeah i'm number one i was surprised that banks are one of the rights most trusted like the fifth most trusted thing on the right? After the financial collapse.

I think they're like, I like my credit union. You think? I don't know. I have this thing where I almost like, this sounds kind of crazy, I feel like leftists and rightists have totally different brains. Like different operational systems. Almost. And for Republicans, people who choose to be Republicans

are people who are like, I believe in institutions. Right. Experiences don't matter. It is a bank, ergo it is good. Right. Yeah, that's probably true. The press is an institution. But what's funny is not-

Would you talk to the right for me, please? Nonprofits are right after banks for the right, though, too. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what to make of this. The only thing that really sticks out is that Amazon is the left's one true god. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who, on October 16, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate.

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and we're back and as we record this uh the number one and number five top trending thing on Google Trends are George Soros at number one and then Soros at number five. So there's a couple reasons for that. We'll start with one of the stories. The mail bomber story continues to unfold in kind of a ridiculous way. The latest bombs went to Joe Biden, which is kind of not that surprising, but also Robert De Niro, because he said that screw Trump thing, fuck Trump thing. Yeah. Which just seems like petty almost, but they're trying to bomb De Niro. But I don't know. They're trying to bomb De Niro. But I don't know.

The mistake to me seems to be to try to assume anything about the motives of any mail bomber. Because mail bomb, people who attack people through the mail always end up having the most confusing, fucked up, unexpected motives. The anthrax mailer, we were like, well, it's clearly Al-Qaeda because 9-11 just happened. And it was just like some, I mean, we haven't like officially solved it, but most people think it's this guy who killed himself once people started looking at him. And he was a scientist who was just sending it because of like weird grievances he had

against a bunch of people, including like a sorority from like his college or something that he thought mistreated him. There was a woman a few years back who mailed a bomb to Obama, but it turned out it was only to frame her husband. And then the Unabomber turned out to be a 19th century Luddite. Yeah, and just hated Harvard. Yeah, he's just like, fuck you. So I don't know.

But how could you look at all these people who have been on the receiving end, and even at the wackiest, we have a narrative where you're like, oh, that's weird. It uniquely ended up being all of these people without it having some kind of partisan bend to it. Yeah, no, it definitely seems. Not to blow that argument up. No, it definitely seems like it does. We just don't know who or what explicitly motivated it. I mean, assuming it's a mentally ill person because the writing and all, like, a lot of the details of this make it seem like the person might not be fully stable.

Who knows if it's a mentally ill person on the left trying to say, you know, it just doesn't... Right, to fuel the narrative that like, hey man, people on the right, they're really trying to come after you. And yeah, we just don't know. But that has not stopped the right from immediately assuming that it's a false flag.

There was a woman at a rally that was holding up a sign that said, Democrats, fake news, fake bombs. Oh, isn't that what Lou Dobbs tweeted? Oh, did he? And then he had to delete it. Oh, wow. Yeah.

So that's how quickly shit travels. Like, he did that, and he was like, ooh, I'm going to delete that. And then it ends up being on someone's cardboard box outside of a rally. I think most of Lou Dobbs' tweets come from cardboard boxes, actually. But yeah, I mean, that was the thing Rush Limbaugh was saying. It's just wild that, I mean, again, we don't know who or why these bombs are being sent, but it would seem like it's being sent at people who have criticized Trump. So you would think they would be the ones who would be like, let's not go pointing any

fingers, guys. But instead, they're like, it's probably you guys. Almost definitely. It's the left. So just it's wild, man. Come on. Like on some level, like we can't even agree across the aisle that political terrorism is bad. Right.

In general. Like they couldn't even come out and be like, yes, I would say that sending a bomb to someone would count as an act of some kind of a terrorist act. Like end of story. We don't have to argue about someone doing it fake. Right. Based off their political views. And it's like even Ben Sasse, who I fucking highly dislike his politics, was even like, hey, we got to at least say like terrorism, politically motivated terrorism is not good. Right.

Which is, you know, but again, you have people still caping for this idea that it's just like this false flag. Like you guys are doing it to try and win the midterms thing. It's like I get that it looks bad for the right, but you can still be decent and just say like, hey, yeah, this isn't good. That doesn't mean you've instantly confessed to causing the motivation for someone to do this. Well, it makes me wonder if either the person who's doing this or a copycat is going to start sending bombs to Republicans to throw us off the chase or whatever.

Yeah. I mean, so the latest details of the actual investigation make it seem like this is not going to be a hard case to solve. They're saying that anybody who sends this many devices and they remain unexploded will probably have left behind a number of genetic markers that will be able to be used.

Right. And actually, Larry Johnson, a former head of criminal investigation and- Not the Charlotte Hornets. Oh, thank God. We were both on the same team. Grandma Ma. L-Train said, if there is a human involved, there is a high probability you're going to

get somewhere investigatively. There will be no stone left unturned. It's just weird that he opened up with a hint of, could be a fucking cyborg. There is a human involved. Hold on, Larry, are you time traveling and you forgot what area you're in? They're like,

oh, this is before Amazon took over the world. Yes, a human being. Probably a human. If there is a human involved, most certainly there is.

Yes. Almost definitely. Yeah. I mean, hey, I'm willing to say that maybe there's something new.

Yeah. And this could be the beginning of a really great sitcom. Life is a constant surprise. Yeah, it really is. Life is like a hurricane, kind of. Has anybody looked into Debbie Wasserman Schultz? I know, right?

The return address, I mean. What if that, like, in the person's mind who is sending it, like, did they think the FBI was just going to be like, well, it says your name, lady. You're coming with us. Debbie, we got to talk. What's going on with this bomb shit? Just no follow up. I guess or that's just their even more devious plan to get something then like a secondary target is Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Because that's what happened with, was it Eric Holder's package? Went to her office because it was the return address. Because it was the return. Right. So weird. I wonder if there's something purposeful to the fact that none of them have exploded yet, which I hope they continue to not explode.

Yeah. But is that just someone who's not very good at it or if it's like this is only a warning? It's a good question we were asking earlier. It's very early. Is this a Die Hard 3 situation where you've got like the fake grape juice bomb and they're just using it as a distraction to

actually sneak across our borders. Am I right, guys? Wait, was it the fake one in Die Hard with Avengers? Was that the one at Chester A. Arthur Elementary School? Yes. And then they puncture it and they think they're about to blow up and he goes, it's grape juice. It's syrup or whatever.

Anyways, we don't know why they're not blowing up. It could be that the person just does not know what the fuck they're doing. Or it's an inept cyborg. Right. He is so good that they're like dumb ones now. Yeah, right. Exactly. He's like, I got the wrong recipe from the anarchist's cookbook.

One thing that this person has managed to do is get the president to not call people out by name because at his rally last night, he was too scared to say the names of the people who are the targets because he knew that if he said, and Hillary got a package, people would be like, lock her up. Right, right, right. And in fact, that happened earlier at that rally or at a Republican rally.

And if he had said Obama, who knows what horrible things the crowd would have chanted. So he had to just make vague reference to. Right, and then blame the press. Right. And then he blamed the press, which is just, I mean, he's good at what he does. Yeah, his number one defense is blame the victim. Yes. It's like, I mean, dude, if someone sent you a bomb, like, take a look at yourself.

Probably. Right. Someone's got you. You got me. Maybe you need to do something different. I don't know. Anyway, lock her up. He's so gross.

He's so embarrassing. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And it's just really whack to then have him act like he's going to somehow unify the country when you're actively just driving a wedge between everyone, and then suddenly you want to act like you could unify the country. No, that ship has set sail.

And it's so easy to get drawn into speculating into is he crazy like a fox or is he just not all there. Is he just pooping himself all the time? Yeah, it could be both. I'm starting to think he's crazy like a fox. Really? Yeah. Or like he's like a fox that he's just like accidentally has

the right personality defects to be like well designed for this media environment but whatever it is it's working well for him. You're right. He's only nine points underwater in terms of disapproval versus But whatever it is, it's working well for him. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. Okay.

Well, cool. He's only nine points underwater in terms of disapproval versus approval. New York Times says that he is actively being listened to every time he has a phone conversation, which is just wild. conversation yeah uh which is just wild like that is like just taking a step back and pretending that it's five years ago and the and we didn't know the president was going to be donald trump imagine if you just found out that like the russians and the chinese were listening in on every phone conversation the president had it would would be like, shit, what? How is that happening? Well, the reason that happens is because

apparently he has three phones. So he has two phones that the Secret Service have fully outfitted to be just impenetrable. And one is just made for Twitter. So he has one that's like, here's your president's phone. It's his toy. Because you're the leader of the free fucking world

if you didn't realize yet. So you don't want people just doing sweet eavesdropping on you and here's your twitter thing but then he has a third phone which is unprotected it might as well just be a fucking jitterbug off the shelf of cvs because this has no nothing built into it to protect the communications on it and apparently that is the phone that he uses to make a lot of private calls to like call friends. And the Russians and Chinese like, well, let's listen in on his chat so we can we can see how to push his buttons or manipulate him and also like build a list of influence targets based on his phone calls to be like, oh, yeah, OK, he talks to this guy. Let's see if we can access him to

this guy or this woman or whoever. So I think it's interesting that they've actually they're doing it in a way for Trump specifically. They're not trying to get secrets. It seems like every time they talk about it, they're always like, we're figuring out how to talk to this guy to get what we want. Right. Like, it's like the easiest, they probably have like a psychiatrist in there, not like

a spy being like, so how do you want to approach this asshole? Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if you need a psychiatrist to like figure out what's going on with him and how to manipulate him. I mean, wave a bag of money in front of him and you can do whatever. I really do wonder how much of what they're getting is just them being like, okay, so Hannity, his weakness is this. Right. Because Trump, it's like the guy's an open book.

Right. Or if you're like, if we can get Hannity saying- It's an open book. Right. Or if you're like, if we can get Hannity saying- It's an open coloring book. Right. If you're like, if we can get into Hannity's head and get him talking this way, that will have a knock-on effect with Trump in this way. Right. Exactly.

I mean, we're in here on a Second Raid podcast already figuring out how we can use these call transcripts to further our aims. Jesus. But yeah. I mean, this was a thing too. I remember when he first started, there was this whole thing. He didn't want to give up his phone. I just think you can just picture it, all the advisors in the Secret Service being like, Sir, really, we have to give you this new phone.

And he's like, but it has my number. Yeah. Like, he wouldn't have understood. It's like his binky. He won't give it up. He's like, I don't want to change my number. Yeah. Then I have to go through the thing, and then I'm going to have to do the new phone who this thing.

I don't know. It's too much for me thing. I don't know. It's too much for me. But I don't know. You think on some level, right, the government, like we have to build into the Constitution that if you're the president, right, that your communications are of the utmost importance and need to be protected. So you should be like the Secret Service should be able to just be like, give me your fucking phone, motherfucker. I'm going to smash this shit up. I think two things one

he is so unprecedented in his like complete disregard of like the way things should be done that like he just startled a lot of people they were like

we did the protocol and he said no and what do we do with that people respect that no okay but then also I think as with any other industry

no one's caught up really to the technology. Yeah. Like it's just like anything just because they're the government doesn't mean that they're better at like dealing with technological advances. Right. It's like all those big hacks that like took down major websites. Yes. Banks and stuff. It's like that's how they figured out that they needed to do security.

Yeah, yeah. Right. Like I brought this up before. Like, when the Vikings first started pillaging Europe, like, the thing that made them so fierce is that they didn't care about a Christian god. So when they saw a church, they were like, you got one bald-headed dude in a robe and all that gold in there?

And everyone's like, we're not going to touch that because of God. And they're like, watch me burn this fucking thing down and chop everyone up, and I'll take your gold. Right. Because before, there was that idea, religion was protecting these things.

But then you get a group coming in who are like, okay, nice plus sign. Interesting. Oh, I like that. A little history for you. Yeah. Look at that. All right. And the Saudis seeing their opportunity that there's a lot of crazy shit going on in America

were like, okay, time to tell the truth. Maybe a little bit. Because they were just like, hmm, let me check. Oh, okay. Yeah, we totally premeditated murdered that dude. Yeah. Oh, that. Okay.

I thought we were talking about a different guy. Right. Okay. Yeah. Jamal Khashoggi. Right. that. Okay. I thought we were talking about a different guy. Right. Okay. Yeah. Jamal Khashoggi. Right. Yes. Okay.

Yes. That wasn't me, though. Yeah. I guess once CIA chief Gina Torture? What torture? Haspel listened to the tapes of the actual recordings of Khashoggi's murder, they were a little more inclined to agree with the Turkish intelligence opinion that it was premeditated.

But still, we're just like, yeah, I guess some planning went on. That's weird. But you know what? Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince, he knew nothing about it. And I know we're a country that routinely, aggressively surveils the activities of our citizens. But I guess this one, I don't know. I guess this one slipped through the cracks or something. Well, anyway, so what do you think about that arms deal?

Exactly. Nick, did you just play the Trump goddammit drop? Goddammit. Goddammit. Oh, the insincere goddammit when Omarosa got fired? For people who don't realize what that soundbite was. That does deserve an insincere goddammit when Omarosa got fired. For people who don't realize what that soundbite was. That does deserve an insincere goddammit. Goddammit, really?

All right, I'm going to talk to my guys. That should not have happened. If anybody wasn't listening back then, Trump was on the phone with Omarosa, and just clearly just doing the worst job of pretending he was just finding out about that. I just found out. You got fired?

They fired you? God damn it. And it's like, wow, all right. The best thing to, yeah, yell out when you forget your wallet on a date. Yeah, exactly. God damn it. I'm so sorry. Or if you're Miles and forgot your wallet.

Yeah, at lunch, every Wednesday, like clockwork. Thank you for paying, Jack and Nick. And then just really briefly with the caravan, just a reminder. Somebody tweeted us and was like, yeah, why do my parents think that this caravan was started by George Soros and the Democrats? So this has apparently become a very effective tool for the Republicans. So just a reminder for anybody who's talking to Republicans who are like, we're being invaded. This happens every year, multiple times a year that there's a caravan going up through Mexico towards the U.S. border. The last time they acted like this was a mass invasion, only a handful of people ended up even getting to the U.S. border.

These are, in a lot of cases, women and children who are looking to live safer lives. They're gay and LGBT trans people who are escaping persecution. trans people who are escaping persecution. And they're 1,700 miles away and traveling on foot and deserve your sympathy. And also a Guatemalan journalist looked into that video y'all were passing around because the right was apparently passing around a video where members of the caravan were being paid money. And they were like, this is Soros' people very clearly right this is the democratic party handing out cash it was actually locals like local businesses and local retailers who were just handing out money to the people like

here good luck like just to be kind yes to be like human kindness which is a thing that no that's George Soros dude right because I think that's all it is empathy equals george soros is dark oh my gosh like and they use that anti-semitic thing of like you know there's this wealthy jewish guy who's pulling all the strings and like it's like hey for 20 bucks you want to walk 1700 miles right is that the deal that they took right would you take that deal? Uh-huh. That's what I don't understand. And again, it's just this tactic. It's so easy to just use George Soros because he's a wealthy person who is a philanthropist, and his money typically goes to causes on the left that they're just like,

well, he pays everyone to do everything. He pays people to have moral outrage. He pays people to be decent or be morally scrupulous. I don't know. He pays people to have moral outrage. He pays people to be decent or be morally scrupulous. I don't know. Just be aware for all that BS when it comes to George Soros.

That is what the other part of the country. Well, we're all praying to our Amazon gods on the left. The right is worried about this mass invasion. For people who are also saying they're being paid by George Soros, you can very quickly show someone who may be skeptical on the right to look at what life is like for people in these countries. That, you know, Guatemala is one of the most impoverished countries. And look at things like that and say, those are the things that are the catalyst for migration. It's not because they want to come bum rush Karen's lake house in Minnesota you know what I mean so like and

like just just take a look at where they're coming from because you're not going to be like oh wow why would you leave that place

and you're going to also just get people up on history a little bit you know look at what we do down there it's a lack of empathy on the right

that again goes back to my theory about them having different brains. Like some people are really just trying to make a better life for themselves.

Well I think you know also it's like if you have a scarcity or abundance mentality too where if everything is scarce right then there's no room for anyone else.

Right. And even it might in your world it might not necessarily be that you feel that someone coming to this country cuts that off

but these people could also be the kind of people who are like on the freeway and don't let people cut like into their lane. You're so right. Because you're like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. I was here already. You're going to have to get behind me. Yes. Where it's like because I don't know what you think letting that person in does to you.

Like that fucks you up. That's going to make you late or your ego or whatever. But I think there's this – it's definitely like there's this zero-sum game for people who have no empathy. It's like I'm sorry if we do, then I cease to have electricity. Right, if you have a thing, then I don't have a thing. Right, right. Yeah, zero-sum.

Yeah, there's so much shit here for everybody. Yeah. Bow to my pickup truck. Yeah, and so the journalist who tracked down the people from that video and the people who were supposedly being paid by Soros was Guatemalan. And I think that video was actually from Guatemala. But most of the people in the caravan are from Honduras, which also has really rough conditions.

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Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And the name Dorcas has been traveling all over the place on tv online because a young woman by the name of dorcas riley who invented the green bean casserole back in 1955 has passed on and yeah she's a legend yeah It's a comfort food game. Is her name pronounced Dorcas? Do we know? It's probably got some lovely pronunciation that we aren't even imagining right now. Does it like Dorcas?

Dorcas? Maybe. Maybe. Who knows? Dorca? Is it silent? I like that. Dorca. Dorca. Dorca. That actually kind of makes sense. Dorca Riley. Yeah Riley is where that falls apart. Yeah. Dorca Riley. Yeah, Riley is where that falls apart. Dorca Riley.

She invented the green bean casserole. That's pretty big. That's like a pillar of American comfort food. So what's the key ingredient in that? Is it cream of mushroom?

It is. Yeah. Cream of mushroom soup. Every casserole, right, is cream of mushroom or cream of chicken? Cream of mushroom mixed with everything else.

Well, you know, I mean, it was invented to sell cream of mushroom soup. Well, good for her. Wait, what was? The casserole, right? It's cream of mushroom and cream of chicken. Cream of mushroom mixed with everything else. Well, you know, I mean, it was invented to sell cream of mushroom soup. Well, good for her. Wait, what was? The casserole? The casserole. Mm-hmm. So, oh, because had they not rolled out cream of mushroom yet?

No, they had. Or they did, and they're like, yo, sales are fucking up. Right. So, so many of the recipes that we consider like classic Americana are not from home kitchens. They're from food manufacturers. Right. And that's because post-World War II, they had all these factories that they had to do something with. They're like,

we'll do processed food now. We'll invent that. And then we have to teach people how to cook with it. Oh, that's why everything's basically a box recipe. Like what's on the box typically precipitates what we were like, oh, that's an old family corporate suggestion. Yeah, yeah, totally. And there'd even be like little pamphlets that they'd attach to bottles and stick in the boxes and stuff like that. So it's like, here's this food product. Here's how you have to use it, by the way, because you've never done it.

And that's why like all the different Jell-O recipes from the mid-century where they were like, just put anything you want in it. I know. Because they were like, please, please just put anything you want in it. Like with ham? Lime Jell-O with ham. What is that? Exactly. Lime Jell-O with shrimp.

I forget who one of my white friends are telling me about their family like there's a salad that they eat with ham and jello yeah so upsetting no the 70s was crazy man that was like they just realized like jello came out and it just like people didn't know how to act for some reason like just i think it was like the they were like is it a solid is it a liquid we don't know what the fuck to do and so like go check out a 70s cookbook y'all it is so funny oh yeah i follow an instagram page like that yeah just wild 70s just a jello mold horrifying and it's like oh this is why people were skinny they didn't want to eat it right it's all gnarly everything sucked well in my mind i'm like well it must be palatable if it's a family thing they keep making.

And then they're like, no, it's awful. I'm like, why make this? These Jell-O salads are real rough. Yeah, I saw one with hollandaise sauce on it. Jell-O with hollandaise? Yeah, it was like a banana, ham. Miles just took his shirt off. He was very mad.

Well, because on my dad's side, really solid southern cooking, barbecue tradition on my dad's side. And my mom's Japanese, so very good Japanese food. So, like, I was never, I never had, like, the closest to that kind of thing was, like, I don't know, marshmallows on yams or something. But, like, never, like, Jell-O. Which is kind of in the same vein. Right, exactly. Yeah. But that's, like, the closest thing of, like, oh, okay, I see how that came off a bag or whatever.

Dork is Riley also invented tomato soup cake. Oh, okay. So was- Wait, what's tomato soup cake? Are you saying that Dorcas was one of these food chemists? She absolutely was. She was a corporate food chemist? She was.

Oh, wow. She got her college degree in home economics, which is something that sounds lame and sad now. Right. But at the time was like a way for women who wanted to be scientists to actually get a degree in science. And they couldn't even call this just science through the economics.

Home economics. All this means is that she would have cured cancer if they had just let her do anything except for a home ec. Because it was all the chemistry of all these packaged foods. Wait, what's tomato soup cake? Okay, so with cakes, like chocolate cakes especially, actually flavored cakes, you just need a liquid element so that they aren't dry.

And it turns out that depending on the other ingredients, it doesn't really matter what your wet ingredients are. What do you mean it doesn't matter? Like it won't affect the – It won't affect the flavor so much. So if you have a tomato soup cake, you're basically making a chocolate cake and adding a can of Campbell's tomato soup into it. And that adds like a little bit of spicy saltiness and people like salt in their sweets way much more than they think they do. And then it also might add a little bit of that color that we also get from red

velvet cakes. Because red velvet cakes used to actually look like chocolate, which is the main ingredient with like a hint of red. It's like a devil's food cake originally, right? That's exactly what it is. There's another variation on that is mayonnaise cake, which is chocolate cake with a shit ton of mayonnaise in it. And do you add these ingredients just as a prank? Or is it just to be like, yo, you just ate mayonnaise cake, idiot. RIP your arteries.

No, not at all. It's actually because it tastes good. Just so rich, I'm sure, because all that fat in there. And it won't dry out. You add mayonnaise to something, it's not going to reason with. No, not at all. It actually doesn't taste good. Just so rich, I'm sure, because all that fat in there. And it won't dry out. You add mayonnaise to something, it's not going to dry out. Yo, tomato soup cake. That sounds actually, I want to try all these things. I'm going to have to do the Dorcas Grand Prix then.

Totally. And it'll also be a journey through Americana. Wow, tomato soup cake. Well, shout out to you, Dorcas, or Dorca, whatever it is. Isn't there a stereotype that white families have terrible taste in food? Yes. There is, right? Absolutely.

Hi, have you just seen Twitter? Unseasoned is a word technically used all the time? I feel like this is not helping. No. The legacy of Dorcas. Yeah, but still, but if you're elevating a cake with a can of tomato soup, that sounds like it could I doubt it tastes terrible.

I think it's a really interesting idea and I think it's also, you have to think about context because this truly was an era where all the weapons manufacturers switched to food and we're like, we need to sell product. We have to push this so hard. That's interesting. All these recipes come from the manufacturers

themselves. We'll kill you through your intestines rather than through ballistics injuries. That's interesting. I didn't know that about the factories. I like how when I brought it up, you're like, oh, do you really want to go there? And I was like, yeah, but I guess we will when we get on mic. And then you just were like, yeah, homie, you're eating the bullet factory

cake. Yes, I can't be stopped. Let me take a couple steps back. This guy Adolf Hitler, right? Whoa, huh? Hear me out. Let's talk Post Malone. Post Mates Malone. This apparently impresses some people.

I'm not super impressed, but Post Malone has spent over $40,000 on Post Mates so far this year. It's a thing we've seen, right? Like we talked about, what's the homegirl's name? Jessica Simpson. Yeah. Did a gnarly amount of Postmates. It was like 100,000, I thought.

Yeah, something wild. Sophie, super producer, Sophie just showed me an image or an article that said that Rob Kardashian was spending $13K a month on Blac Chyna's pregnancy needs on Postmates. Okay. I guess it's just because you're so lazy because when you look at what Post Malone has ordered, he was spending $13K a month on Blac Chyna's pregnancy needs on Postmates. Okay. I guess it's just because you're so lazy, because when you look at what Post Malone has ordered, I guess when you compare it to just, well, Jessica Simpson has a bunch of kids,

and an athlete husband who's probably eating wild, but also Post Malone, I can imagine he eats pretty well, too. He's always ordering from, I guess, Pink Dot, Chick-fil-A, Ralph's, Burger King, Popeyes, KFC, Petco, Panda Express, GameStop, and CVS. So it sounds like somebody who just hates to leave the house. I feel like it's mostly cigarettes. Yeah, yeah. Like that dude is just... And Bud Light.

Yeah, cigarettes and Bud Light. That's the thing, it's such a huge amount of money and it's not even stunting. No. Because you're not getting anything good. No, yeah. He's talking about how much he likes the garlic bread from Ralph's, which is fine, but like, eh.

Yeah, like go to Smokehouse. Yeah. Get that real OG garlic bread in LA. But this is one thing that I'm like, yo, he takes his food seriously because when he orders from Raising Cane's, which is probably one of my favorite chicken finger places, fast food places, he asks specifically they open the boxes a little bit so all that moisture doesn't just make, render the breading soft

and soggy. So he's a pro. He's a pro. Yo, if you order enough Postmates, you know the fries come fucked up anything fried comes fucked up when they don't properly aerate or ventilate the container. It's funny, I read that article the same way. I was like, come on dude. And then I read that Raising Cane's thing and I was like, alright, okay. Alright. It's funny. I read that article the same way. I was like, come on, dude. And then I read that Raising Cane's thing and I was like, all right.

Okay. All right. You get it. And there's only a few places in LA, like when you order from Postmates, the restaurants I repeat order from are the ones I can tell when they're packing it for to-go. They're like, they thought about how it's going to travel in the containers. Yes. Like at PlanCheck, if you get it from Postmates, they make sure their fry box is somewhat open too, which I appreciate.

Yeah, that's good. As a food critic, Catherine, are there any fries that hold up that can last longer than 15 minutes out of the fryer? No, at that point, don't do it. I always think if you're ordering food, don't order fries because they aren't going to be good. You want a sublime French fry experience, I think. What's your favorite fry? In LA? In the world?

Let's start wide and zoom in. Okay. In the world. In da world. Back to an earlier point, don't front about McDonald's fries not being good.

Yeah, they are so good. Come on. They coat them in sugar, so they're delicious. Right. So if we're just talking about delicious, I'm sure that there's

plenty of places in Northern Europe that triple fry them and serve them with mayonnaise. Yeah, like they're delicious. So if we're just talking about delicious, I'm sure that there's plenty of places in Northern Europe that triple fry them, serve them with mayonnaise, and they're amazing. I mean, Bruges is so ghetto, though. It's like, so old, it's like, forget about it. Who are you, Nick? When we said Berlin was lit? And he was like,

Berlin's last year. I mean, oh, God, Vienna is beautiful. Isn't it, though? Yeah, it really is. I mean, the Viennese are just such a wonderful people. They truly are. Okay, and so McDonald's is all around, you're saying? Yeah, why not? But people like different kinds of fries, so that's a skinny fry, obviously. One thing that's, like, a huge travesty is cooking French fries in vegetable oils as opposed to beef tallow.

And there's, so McDonald's switched to vegetable oil. A place up in Seattle called Dick's, which is, like, legendary, they switched over from beef's switched to vegetable oil a place up in Seattle called Dick's which is like legendary um they switched over from beef tallow to vegetable oil and it makes everything not good and also if you are eating at a burger place anyway don't be like oh I don't want to eat beef tallow because it's like kills too many animals or it's bad for the environment like you you're already in you're stuck in You're eating at a burger place. Yeah. And beef tallow comes from the animals that are being killed for meat,

so you're killing the animal anyway, so eat all of it. Yeah, don't waste it. Beef tallow fries, I'm telling you. See, that's the thing. It actually is better for the environment and it tastes better, so do it up, dude. I mean, we're not saying that fries have any sort of nutritional value because there was a study that's like, it's actually one of the grossest

foods you could eat for yourself. They're a fun time food. Yeah, 100%. But yeah, when you have a beef tallow fry, it will change your viewpoint. Absolutely. Yeah, Malcolm Gladwell did an episode of his podcast where he was like, I just realized most people haven't had a beef tallow fry because McDonald's

changed in the 90s. Yep, and it was all because of some millionaire who had a heart attack and made it his whole thing to get people to stop using beef tallow for frying. He was like, we all eat garbage bags full of fries every day. Yeah, right. Okay, so we'll start from there. And it's your guy's fault for my heart attack,

so everyone loses now. Is there an especially amazing fry that's a very specific place? Here in LA, the Oinkster does a really good fry. Oinkster. And again, that's because they triple fry it. I think maybe in an animal fat. I can't.

It seems right. I know Plancheck does beef tallow. Yeah, and that's kind of the thing too. For instance, that's why In-N-Out people hate their fries. And they're like, why do we hate In-N-Out fries? It's because they chop up the potatoes right there in the restaurant and only fry them once. Yeah. They're terrible.

They're terrible. I love them. They're really bad. I get light fries at In-N-Out. You get light fries. That's the way to do it. People talk about well done. That's too oily.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Light. You got to get light. That's the hack right there. Exactly. And chop chilies in your double double. Californians are so weird about In-N-Out. I know. We're such freaks. I'm right there and chop chilies in your double double. Californians are so weird about In-N-Out. I know.

We're such freaks. I'm right there with you. I get a root beer float and people are always like, you can do that? And I'm like, you can do it however you want. Watch this. Grilled cheese, please. There may be an Indiana Jones world coming to Disney World. Yeah.

Well, I guess for the 50th anniversary of Disney World, they're talking about possibly building an Indiana Jones-themed space. Now, I know right now they're definitely making, like, a Toy Story land and the Star Wars, like, Galaxy's Edge thing, which I'm all in for that. But the Indiana Jones one, I don't quite understand, like, if they make it, what the draw is because the fandom is not as rabid for a full-fledged section of a theme park for Indiana Jones. And also, I just feel like it's going to look like a bunch of old, dusty shit. Whatever Indiana Jones wrote.

I just think dust. I know. I wondered if there was some booming sales in DVDs of all the Indiana Jones movies that we don't know about because it's not sexy. I was like, why? Why this? Well, I mean, the first three movies are really good, but they're not good in a way that is, like, immediately transferable to a theme park.

It's just, like, those are fun adventure movies that, like, nailed a very specific aesthetic. But, like, it's not. I don't know. There's not a universe around it I can imagine where I'm like, oh, Nazis. Right. We don't need to go to a theme park to see Nazis anymore. Nazis everywhere.

Let's turn on the news. In Florida? Come on, man. Yeah. I will say, though, that the Indiana Jones ride at Disneyland in California, it's the perfect balance for me of scariness and adventure. It's never too steep. Wait, what scares you on that one? Is it's the perfect balance for me of scariness and adventure. It's never too steep. Wait, what scares you on that one?

Is it when the arrows fly by? No, I'm just saying that Splash Mountain is too scary for me. Oh, you mean like for the thrill, like the sensation of it? Oh, okay. I thought you were looking around and you're like, what's the Br'er Rabbit doing? No, no, no, no. I should say the steepness, I guess, of the roller coaster. I had a much better time thinking of you just like, just white.

Just all the blood left your face and you're just in a constant state of horror as you go through. Listen, I just get really into storytelling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Live it. Yeah. So maybe if all the roller coasters or whatever in the Florida version are just like not too scary. Yeah. They just have a stunt show.

Like we're lucky in Disneyland we have Indiana Jones Ride. Yeah. And then I think in Paris Disney there's a roller coaster. Yes. Yeah. It's called Temple du Peril, which is so funny. Temple of Peril. Really?

Yeah. That's so French. Catherine, it's been so fun having you. Thank what a guest thank you so much is there some place that people can find you online sure well my podcast is called smart mouth two words it's about food history and I do Instagram a lot at smart mouth podcast and then my personal Instagram is Catherine underscore Spires. Oh. Yeah. I tried to separate out

between like food all the time and then like real life which isn't always about food shockingly enough and I can't tell if I don't know

who knows what people like. Yeah. Who the hell knows. They want everything. They do. Totally do. How do you spell inspires?

These days S-P-I-E-R-S. So like spears. Fine. Yeah, sure. I just want to clarify so people can find you. Yeah, no, that's a good point because it is not apparently pronounced the way that it is spelled. My family is the one who doesn't understand apparently.

And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, yeah. This guy named Ryan Sickler, he tweeted, thinking about sleeping on the other side of the bed. Y'all ever do that? Just say fuck it and switch it up? Because it kind of made me chuckle, and also I was like, oh, that's thought-provoking. Have I ever done that? I really had to think about it.

I guess if you don't share a bed with somebody where the sides are predetermined. Are you rubbing something in? No, but it sounds like you have a lot of free time based on how you're sleeping. Or your side is so big. I thought it was an interesting question. No, it is. No. And to the point where I'm actually going to be like, yo, I think we need to sleep on

different sides. I need to know what that world is like. It is interesting. It does change everything, your whole perspective. Yeah. That is interesting. It does change everything, your whole perspective. Yeah, that is true. Because even when I go to a hotel and I'm by myself, I have that habit of sleeping on the side I typically sleep on.

And then sometimes I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? And then I just do the full-on starfish in the middle of the bed. Yeah, you sound like you're great to share a bed with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I have 900 fucking animals in my bed at night and I can't even sleep, so. That's a whole other podcast I can do. Miles, where can people find you?

Oh, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey. And there are two Reductress tweets that I just want to call out because I love them. One is an old one, but it just gets me every time. And it's, why I only fuck men whose Pulp Fiction posters are framed. Like a very sensitive, sort of contemplative-faced woman on it. And another one is a man looking like a real jerk in a kitchen.

It says, quick meals for when your roommate's boyfriend is in the kitchen. And the guy looks like just an arrogant asshole and everything. So, shout out to you, Reductress. Also, I want to just shout out happy birthday to my girl, Sophie Simpson. Happy birthday to you, young Scorpio.

Always thinking about you. And please have a blessed year. Scorpios. Scorpio. You know what they say about them? They're, uh... I don't know. Hey, I mean,

they can sting you. Don't fuck with a Scorpio. Hey, that's for sure. Don't eat them either. Just want to say, Miles, great job yesterday. Yesterday's episode was wonderful while I was out trying to solve the bombing. Thanks. I thought you were going to stay gone, but that's cool.

Wow. And Super Producer Sophie Lichterman, great job on being the producer today. It's great to have you back. And you only made like three loud noises during the show. So really good work. Sipping from an empty can was my favorite. Just a loud slurping noise.

And a tweet that I've been enjoying is from BEA underscore KER Beaker. Just went for a piss while still wearing my microphone and the whole conference heard me call the urinal a thirsty boy. It's awful because I feel that that's real. And I just picture everyone being like, you're a thirsty boy, aren't you?

Smell it, I'm a thirsty boy. Just get back from the desert. All right, Mojave thirst. All right, you canave thirst. All right. You can follow me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien. You can follow us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com,

where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on. You can also find that stuff in the chanotes uh miles what song are we gonna ride out on uh this is from napalm who's the lead singer of one of my favorite bands hiatus coyote uh from australia now this is her solo album and this is a track called crossfire slash so into you uh and it's just her, I love her voice.

I love her guitar playing. It's a very soulful track. And yeah, enjoy. It's not like super beat heavy, but I think you'll enjoy her words, her lyrics, and her melodies. And yeah, so this is Napalm Crossfire slash So Into You. All right, we're going to ride out on that.

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