The Daily Zeitgeist - Bye, Moby; Wish In One Hand... 5.24.19

Episode Date: May 24, 2019

In episode 399, Jack and Miles are joined by Creature Feature podcast host Katie Goldin to discuss Moby creeping on Natalie Portman, a Buzzfeed report on sexual misconduct by Tony Robbins, Russian documents revealing desire to manufacture a race war in the US, everyone's different pooping habits, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. Natalie Portman criticises 'creepy' Moby over 'disturbing' account of friendship2. Leaked Records Reveal Tony Robbins Berated Abuse Victims, And Former Followers Accuse Him Of Sexual Advances3. Four More Women Have Accused Tony Robbins Of Sexual Misconduct4. Russian documents reveal desire to sow racial discord — and violence — in the U.S.5. WATCH: Lord help this man and his poop process.6. WATCH: Before the Water Gets Too High - Parquet Courts Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports.

Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 83, episode 5 of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck coke industries and fuck Fox News.

It's Friday, May 24th, 2019. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Squirrel. You'll be O'Brien soon. Squirrel. He'll be your man. Love you so much, kitten. That was courtesy of atvelvidaunderh1. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.

Miles Lamos. Let the river take you miles down the coast. Gray quiero un amigo. Miles Lamos. Wait, is that what it says? Let the rhythm take you over. Let the rhythm take you over. Oh, I thought you said let the river. That's what I said.

Oh. Well, that's what Hannah Soltis said. Oh, because is that a reference to something? The song By Lamos by Enrique Iglesias. No, but the river thing. Is that part of the Miles Gray mythos? Oh, is that part of my brand? Yeah.

With the river? No, but you know, I do, I don't know. You did used to fuck with the L.A. River. I used to fuck with the L.A. River. I used to hide weed by the L.A. River. I used to navigate the L.A. River. Maybe that's what it is. No, at times I have said philosophically to let the river take you.

Like about more spiritually. Like don't, if you see adversity, don't resist it, right? Accept that it's happening and then move like a river. Let the river take you, baby, because it's going to take you somewhere. Man, I just thought I was missing out on some inner tubing that you were doing, man. Some tubing on the river? Me and Jeff tubing, man.

Shouldn't fox with the river because that's how you get the meningitis. Yeah. Also that. Also women's jiters. Why meningitis? Why men? Why men just get jiters? Oh, is that. Also women-gitis. Why meningitis? Why men? Why men just get gitis? Why men just get gitis?

Is it? Oh, is that what you get in the river? Meningitis? Yeah. I mean, probably not river. If it's, well, LA River, if it's sort of one of those like weak rivers. Yeah, when it's just a cesspuddle. Filled with turds.

Yeah, exactly. Or turd-dolls. Turd-dolls. Turtle turds. There we go. It's turd-dolls. Turd-dolls. Turtle turds. There we go. Wait, who's that? Who is that? Wait, what the hell?

Who am I? Hey, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the host of the wonderful podcast creature feature. She is the hilarious and brilliant Katie Golden. Hey, guys. Hey. What's up, Katie? What he said. That is me. Yes. You God, a. Hey. What's up, Katie? What he said.

That is me. Yes. You God, a.k.a. Golden Arms from Wu-Tang Clan. Golden Arms is such a weird a.k.a. I think that's a kung fu movie, though, right? Golden Arms? Yeah, is what he got that name. That makes sense.

Or Kid with the Golden Arm is what that is. That's a pitching movie. It shouldn't be AKA The Kid with the Golden Arm. Right. You got AKA The Kid with the Golden Arms. You got it. Well, Katie, it's great to have you here. Thank you.

How have you been? Great. Creature Feature Season 2 just drooped. Just drooped? Just drooped. Just drooped? Just drooped. Just drooped? Yeah, and you were my guest on it. Remember that? I know. I do remember that.

People really liked how you talked about eating your own butt. Yeah. Did I talk about that? Flexible. Yes, you did. We recorded a while ago. Yeah, it's been a while. I asked you what body part would you eat first in a sort of castaway situation, and you answered very smartly, I might add. Oh, your butt meat. Butt meat. Not like you were eating the butt. Not like you're feasting upon

the gluteal muscles. Yes. Right, right. Not eating ass. You think good marbling, is that why? You're thinking of the marbling on there? Yeah, it's just a lot of meat right there. Yeah, meat and fat. Sorry. In that movie, Alive, remember about the rugby team? Yeah, they go right on the ass and operate thigh. Didn't they go start eating the dude's thighs?

Yeah. But those are also professional athletes, so they got nice, thick thighs. I mean, look, guys, if we ever crash on an island, I will give you this calf. That's right there. That's good eating right there. That's like a little ham. Thank you. Wow.

My fantasy is for people to tell me how delicious my corpse would be in a cannibal situation. Wow. My fantasy is for people to tell me how delicious my corpse would be in a cannibal situation. That's like when you go to the gym, your gym goals should be, I'm going to be delicious. Right. I want someone to look at me working out and do that Looney Tunes shit where I just turn into a turkey. Right. On the treadmill.

They're like, yeah, I'm going to eat that. Katie, so what besides me eating my own ass is creature feature about it? Well, mainly that, I got to say. Episode two is you guys talking about me eating my own ass. Episode three is you and your lawyer. So I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, and I've always felt that there is man and animal. Are we so different? Not really, it turns out.

Not really. So we talk about some of the craziest uh behaviors in the animal kingdom and the human kingdom and draw parallels between man and animal and kind of ask you to dive right inside an animal get get in there like you're luke skywalker and a tauntaun there you go for warmth for uh yeah it is uh. You will learn about humanity. You will learn about yourself. And you will learn about the animal kingdom. Animal manatee.

Animal manatee. Manatee is an animal. It's like planet Earth, but without David Attenborough. Right. And just me laughing about poop. And like way darker shit. What are some episodes people can look forward to this season? Well, we've got a really cool one.

I just recorded one on animal metamorphosis and transformations. And people don't learn as much about metamorphosis in school as they think they did. It's like, oh, you know, a caterpillar wraps himself up, sprouts a couple legs, turns into a butterfly. Hello, I read Animorphs. Right. I know about kids turning into rats and shit, or that one kid turned into a sloth. And it's actually a lot grosser. A caterpillar will completely dissolve before turning into a butterfly. Oh, really?

Yes. What do you mean? Goo. It turns into goo. It goes into its cocoon. You cut open that cocoon, it's just going to be caterpillar soup. Oh, and then it somehow recombines? That's beautiful. Yes. That is

crazy. Yeah, the cocoon basically digests the caterpillar and then like builds it out. It digests itself. Yeah, and then it uses its own soupiness to fuel its growth into a butterfly. Huh. That would have been a great myth. But it also retains its memories from being a caterpillar. So that's a... butterfly. Huh. That would have been a great myth. But it also retains its memories from being a caterpillar.

So that's a- No. Yes. It retains its memories? Yes. Objection. You're wrong. Wait.

After turning into a goo. How do we know that? They did a memory test? They're like, is this your mom? Pick out your mom from these three. Well, they did a study where they paired a bad odor with a mild, or just an odor with a mild electric shock, and the caterpillars learned like we don't like that that sucks uh and then when they were butterflies or moths uh they

expose them to the odor and they're like nope i am not gonna flex with that that's crazy yeah uh that's the sort of shit you will learn on creature feature but then she will compare it to humanity yes and you'll be like, I am a caterpillar after all. Are we dying every day? Right. You know? My toxic self is digesting me into a goo. Will I emerge a butterfly?

All right, Katie, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a few episode uh where we're gonna talk about the moby shit show uh his you know uh memoir his insistence on being cool about right preying on high school kids yep uh we're gonna talk about tony robbins uh who it turns out very problematic we're gonna talk about the russians plan to weaponize black Americans against white Americans and how they planned to do that and why it wasn't such a great idea. We might talk about a guy who doesn't know how to poop. We will definitely talk about that guy.

Yeah, we have to. But first, Katie, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? So a recent one, I guess probably more revealing would be all the gross stuff I do about like frog with multiple legs is a recent one. Don't most frogs have multiple legs? Damn it, you got me. Oh, dad. Frogs with more than four legs. More than four?

Yes. But you'll just have to check out my podcast to find out why that's that's the bait and switch wow um so uh but a more recent one is uh don jr molyneux that i searched and i was like what is that and then i looked into it and he apparently retweeted a white supremacist who oh steven molyneux yeah stephen molyneux who said uh it's interesting that if you don't have a uterus you can't have an opinion on women's issues but you can compete in women's sports which may sound like a word salad which it kind of is but it's he's basically saying like oh so women don't want to have their reproductive rights taken away, well, what about transgender people?

Right. And? And it doesn't, if you're looking for it to make sense, it doesn't in any way. It's a very bizarre equivalency there. Yeah, like saying, well, we respect transgender people, well, then can't we take away your reproductive rights? Like, it doesn't track.

And then Don Jr., good old your reproductive rights? Like, it doesn't track. And then Don Jr., good old sitting on a tree stump Don, was like, solid point. Yeah, right, there it is. Solid point, my man. Yeah, so that. Just, yeah, just, you know, say the buzzwords to get people's culture war and tie up, and then they're like, oh, great.

It's like we should improve the city infrastructure. Well, what about the transgender people? Isn't Stephen Molyneux the dude who, like, war yeah yeah they're like oh great it's like we should improve the city infrastructure well what about the transgender people isn't steven molyneux the dude who like who basically has like a youtube cult where he recruits kids and like tells them to like leave their family yes no contact with their family right um which is so it's interesting because he's stolen that from um there's certain like things where it's like if you have a narcissistic, abusive family, there's advice out there that's like you can go no contact with that family because they're abusive. But he's basically like just do that with your family who thinks it's weird that you've started fantasizing about a world without women or something. Right.

Yeah, yeah. fantasizing about a world without women or something. Right. Yeah, yeah. Or, like, you're, like, so deep into the, his sort of, like, weird white supremacist, like, you know. And then he always has those Ben Garrison cartoons on his website where it's, like, Trump as a well-muscled man.

Right. Where he clearly just wants to fuck Trump. Half lion, half man. Yeah, yeah. He just wants to, like, get it. Yeah. Trump can get it. Trump's ass. Yeah, yeah. He just wants to like get it. Yeah. Trump can get it. Yeah, yeah.

But like. That should be the name of his cartoon. Just Trump can get it. Lion Trump. What is something you think is. That's a Canadian export. Yeah. Yeah.

Thank you, Canada. Thanks, Canada. What is something. Thanks for Jim Carrey though too. Yes. Yeah, seriously. What is something you think is overrated? Instagrammable dessert places.

Okay. Is overrated? Overrated, yes. Uh-huh. Go on. Fine. That's what you asked, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, that's why you don't like any of my cronut photos. Yes, that is why. Yeah, but like there's... Oh, poor Miles. He's weeping. I've broken him. That's fine. But like there was, oh, poor Miles. He's weeping. I've broken him. That's fine. But like there was like the places where it's like, because it messes up the Yelp ratings

where like it gets a really high Yelp rating. I'm like, great, this is going to be some good ice cream. But really what it is, is like they draw like angry birds on your ice cream. And it's like, wow, you've drawn an angry birds on my ice cream. Oh, interesting. And then it's like I taste the ice cream and it's like, but this is crap drawn an Angry Birds on my ice cream. Oh, interesting. And then it's like I taste the ice cream. And it's like, but this is crap. Right.

It doesn't taste good. It just looks good on Instagram. And so that's why people rate it highly. So I go, like I went to one where it's like they put ice cream, they pour like the cream out, the liquid cream on like a cold plate and then roll it into little rolls. Yeah. It looks really cool. I just had that. Oh, that rolly ice cream?

It looks really awesome. Yeah. But it doesn't taste that good. No, it's little rolls. Yeah. It looks really cool. I just had that. Oh, that rolly ice cream? It looks really awesome. Yeah. But it doesn't taste that good. No, it's not good. It's bad. And they have like color changing plastic spoons that like turn purple when they're in cold. And it's like, wow, that looks really cool.

And they write your name on the ice cream. It's like, wow, my name is in chocolate. Awesome. And then you eat it and it's like, huh. You're like, what brand of ice cream is that? It's like, do you make it here? Oh, no, it's Iris brand from Smart and Final. But the spoon's cool, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it tastes like, you know, if you've ever eaten ice cream that is like slightly freezer burned. Yeah, like melted and refrozen. And then you get those crystal, the water turns icy. Yeah, it's like a little chewy. That's what it's like a little chewy.

That's what it tastes like. And they're doing that like intentionally. I'm good on that. For the grammability factor. Right, strictly for the gram. After Dippin' Dots, we shouldn't have done anything else. Yeah. Dippin' Dots were good. That was the peak for me.

I fucked with Dippin' Dots. Yes. And I remember my friend Chris told me about it. He had come from the East Coast. His family lives in Philly. And he came back one summer. And we were like fourth grade, fifth grade. He's like, I had Dippin' Dots.

I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? He's like, it's like little teardrops of ice cream. And I couldn't believe it. And then they had it at Magic Mountain one time. And I wasted all my money eating Dippin' Dots. Yes. And I didn't do anything. It's the mouthfeel.

It is. It is. This is something we should look into, though. Or like, Zeitgang, get at us if you have other examples of there being sort of an Instagram filter on reality where like there's like a vacation destination that's like super grammable. But then like you have to sleep like in a prison cell or something. Yeah. Like those Instagram versus reality. Like the fire festival.

Which I have mixed feelings about because on one hand, like, yes, Instagram makes everything look perfect. And we should be pointing out that no people's lives aren't perfect. This place isn't a fairy kingdom, but also like a lot of those, it's just like, look, this woman looks like good in this photo. And then like,

she looks terrible in this photo. And it's like, yeah, I mean, that's, that's just photos though. Cause like, I'll take a photo.

I'm like, Oh, I look good in this one. And the next one, I look like some kind of sludge monster. Oh, that's impossible photos though because like I'll take a photo and I'm like, oh, I look good in this one and the next one I look like some kind of sludge monster. Oh, that's impossible. You know.

We're all sludge monsters. No, she dresses up like a sludge monster. Oh, right. It's actually a really cool costume. That's your second job. I forgot about that. I cosplay as a sludge monster. Sludge monster.

And I go to elementary schools. And be like, that's why you don't put toilet in your septic systems. What is something you think is underrated? Toilet paper. Letting your dog hang out with you in the bathroom.

So my dog has anxiety. Oh, scratches at the door? Yeah, and she scratches at the door, and it breaks my heart. And I was like, why do we have to be separate? Why does this door have to separate us? So I let her in, and she doesn't really bother me. She just hangs out in a corner. Just watches you?

Just watching. And at first, it's uncomfortable. uncomfortable it's like this feels very invasive but then eventually it's just like now my dog is like is like her anxieties are like she doesn't have to wonder anymore like what horrible things goes beyond the bathroom door right right she after one time she's like i'm okay yeah i get it she's learned it's been demystified for her. Well, yeah. No, it sounds like you guys have healthy boundaries. We do.

What is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? So the idea that Komodo dragon's saliva is riddled with bacteria and that's why it's deadly, that's not true. Okay. This is going to change how I live my life. Let's go. Let's go. Let them know.

So the myth is like, oh, Komodo bites. They bite you, and you don't die immediately. But the bacteria in their saliva is so gnarly that it causes an infection, and that eventually downs the animal. Have you guys heard of that? Yeah, I have heard that, actually. Or does it like your wounds being to necrotize or something? Yes, yes.

That is the myth. The reality is that they do not have dirty mouths. They have very clean mouths. They're clean mouthed little scaly boys. Oh, really? Yeah. But they do have venom glands. So it's not the bacteria.

It's the venom. It's the actual venom. And because like I've heard that since I was a kid. Like, oh, Komodo dragons are so cool because they just have like disgusting mouths. venom it's the actual venom and because like i've heard that since i was a kid like oh komodo dragons are so cool because they just have like disgusting mouths and they kill by just being nasty boys right but like it's really just venom oh and uh so the way they kill actually like recently researchers have found quote they bite down with serrated teeth and pull back with powerful neck muscles the result huge gaping wounds.

The venom then quickens the loss of blood and sends the prey into shock. Yeah. So you're saying that huge gaping wounds taken by a mouth that has venom are bad for you? Yeah. I don't want to make a strict determination. Jack, who are you dialing on your phone right now? Hey, you're saying, oh, boy. Got to make a couple calls.

So not a good pet to have around a three-year-old? No. I mean, look, I don't want to shame people. Even if you put a horse saddle on it? Now we're talking. I mean, if you've got a saddle on it, I mean, if you, if you've got a saddle on it, then,

then it's a, then it's a steed. Yeah, exactly. Now it's a horse. You've really done it this time. Sir, your horse is very interesting.

And how do you think those myth got started that it was dirty mouths? Is it, is it still humanity having being insecure about how dirty our mouths are i actually think it's because um so if a prey uh animal like escapes and then wanders off and then sort of like stands in some water like they have these like watering holes and then like so like say a wildebeest gets bitten by a drag komodo dragon yeah it's probably not well maybe wildebeest but and then a Komodo dragon. It's probably not. Well, maybe wildebeest.

And then it stands in a watering hole. I'm sure I'm going to have someone call me out on Twitter and be like, actually, wildebeests are not indigenous to Komodo dragons. Any prey. Okay, let's recall any prey. A prey item goes into the watering hole and then gets, because it fucks with the river, it gets the meningitis. Right. Not meningitis. But it gets an infection.

Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. And so it like, then like someone who's observing it, it looks like it's succumbing to an infection rather than just like venom. But the necrotic wound is from the venom, right?

Or is that just a process of the overall infection? That would be the infection. Right. Well, I'm taking my Komodo dragons back to the store. Do we know what animal has the dirtiest garbage mouth? Is it humans? Yeah. That's the sort of thing that you can learn

on Creature Feature. We won't tell you. We won't tell you. It's a mystery. My geometry teacher, Mr. Spelta. Oh, my animation teacher. I had this animation teacher whose breath always smelled like weed and coffee mingled together and just decayed.

It was really... Yeah, Spelta's mouth was like that. His saliva was like threading all the time. In the corners, and I was like, that looks like some Komodo dragon shit. It's like the little white specks. The corners, I was like, oh, corner kick.

Viscous, highly viscous. Highly, the viscosity. The viscosity is off the charts. Was a monstrosity. Yes. Like cheese off a pizza. Yeah, gross. Diet cheese.

Vegan cheese. Vegan cheese, ew. That thread's weird. No. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We cheese. Vegan cheese. Vegan cheese. That thread's weird. No. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was murdered.

There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhearts the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks. Daphne exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.

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Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People

are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really hear them voice. I just come here to play basketball every single day and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way

we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better.

This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history.

People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really hear them voice. I just come here to play basketball every single day and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is braggadocious. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. Listen to Making of a Rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And Moby's back in the news because of his memoir, which people are apparently reading at an extremely slow rate because it's like we get one revelation every couple months. But so the first revelation, Miles, we covered here on the Daily Zeitgeist. We were nominated for a Peabody for it. Peabody. Did not win. Peabody. Peabody.

A Peabody. A Peabody award. That's how the Brits pronounce it. Peabody. Do they? No. Oh. I believe it.

But thank you for trying to make my mispronunciation I'm also helping okay first story our Peabody a winning story was about how Moby once when he was drunk rubbed his dick on Donald Trump as he mourned 9-11 right it was it was at yeah he also going to do it. He really did the Tobias Fuke, I'm not going to blame it all on 9-11, but it certainly didn't help thing where he just blames an unrelated bad behavior on 9-11. Anyways, now he's cell phoning with his weird description

of a failed relationship with Natalie Portman, who he claims to have dated when she was 20. He was, I don't know. 33. 33. He's a dating. I think, well, here, let's look at his. We have so many receipts, so let's just go through them.

In his book, he claims first that they met when he was 33 backstage in Austin, Texas, and they were going to parties in New York together, and he would see her at Harvard and, quote, kissing under the centuries-old oak trees. At midnight, she brought me to her dorm room. There's no oak trees. And we lay down next to each other on her small bed. After she fell asleep, I carefully extracted myself from her arms

and took a taxi back to my hotel. And then he said he had some anxiety about the relationship. Quote, So he makes it seem like they were in a relationship and he was just too much of a tortured soul to continue dating Natalie Portman. Or the dude was just wild creepy. Right.

And she was like, okay, maybe we kissed once and that was fun for a thrill and now you're not leaving me alone. Right. And you laughed at the line about centuries old oak trees because you did go to a small school in Cambridge. Yes. Massachusetts. I don't remember there being a bunch of centuries old oak trees that you kissed under.

I mean, it's very poetic. The old kissing tree. It's got a lot of substance on it. Yeah. So then Natalie Portman had to basically respond to this because she was like, I don't remember it like this at all. She says, quote, I was surprised to hear that he characterized the very short time that I knew him as dating because my recollection is a much older man being creepy with me when I just had graduated high school. Oh, my gosh.

He said I was 20. I definitely wasn't. I was a teenager. I had just turned 18. There was no fact checking from him or his publisher. It almost feels deliberate. And it says the book says they met in September 99 and she was born in

June 1981 18 years old no and so you know so he likes to prey on recent high school grads but Moby then couldn't just be some guy he had to prove that it's true

and he posted a photo of them like from a while back he's shirtless and looks like uh aspiring terry richardson um and in the post the text of that post is i recently read a gossip piece wherein natalie portman said that we'd never dated this confused me as, as we did, in fact, date. And after briefly dating in 1999, we remained friends for years. I like Natalie and I respect her intelligence and activism. But to be honest, I can't figure out why she would actively misrepresent the truth about our, albeit brief, involvement.

The story, as laid out in my book, Then It Fell Apart, is accurate with lots of corroborating photo evidence. Thanks, Moby. P.S. I completely respect Natalie's possible regret in dating me. To be fair, I would probably regret dating me too. But it doesn't alter the actual facts of our brief romantic history. Okay, dude.

You're already doing too much. Right. You're already doing too much when you're pulling up to people who just turned 18 and you're 33? Mm-hmm. No. I mean, like, by that definition, like, when I was, like, 17 or 18, I took a swing dancing class that was open to the community.

And so it was, like, there was this guy, this older gentleman in his, like, 70s or something. And he was, like, every opportunity, because, like, it would be be like, all right, now you too, like try swinging dancing. I was like, please, no. Right. And then like, he would just feel my hands. Oh. You know, in a way that's like, he's like the thumbs would do things. It's like, it'd be like if that guy was like.

Wrote a memoir. Wrote a memoir. Like me and Katie dated briefly. Right. And it's like. You were like giving me weird hand massages. You felt my hands a lot. I'll give you that much.

There's another quote from Moby where he talks about how he figured out ahead of the writing of this book that you can say whatever you want about a famous celebrity because they're not going to be able to sue because they're a public figure. about a famous celebrity because they're not going to be able to sue because they're a public figure. Whereas if he claims to have had an affair with somebody who's a private individual, they can sue the hell out of him. So he. Wait, really? Yeah, yeah. So he basically like gives up his whole plan to claim to have hooked up with Natalie Portman. To borrow a word from like the youth, it's just a weird flex.

Yeah, a very weird flex. Bizarre flex. It's unnecessary. It's a weird flex to be like, yeah, I dated a barely 18-year-old. Yeah, but that's not the only person that he also was, I guess, part of his romantic history, as he claims. Right. He also dated a, well, I don't know, he tried to hit on a pre-Lana Del Rey, Lana Del Rey. Huh.

As he describes it. She's even younger, isn't she? Well, I think this is much later on when he's like just fully weird. She had short bleached hair and looked like a beautiful elf. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yep. Here we go. I sat next to her on the piano bench and started kissing her.

She kissed me back, but then stopped. What's wrong? I asked. I like you, but I hear you do this with a lot of people. I wanted to lie to tell her that I didn't. That I was chaste, sane, and ethical, but I said nothing.

Wow. I wanted to lie and tell her I wasn't a fucking player. This is how this conversation actually went down. He's like, you're like a beautiful elf i've gotta do a go to the thing wait wait wait do the tongue thing do the tongue thing oh no bro i'm sorry there's another excerpt i think early i didn't put it in here but they're talking about his like five story apartment he had and she was like you have five floors and like yeah pretty

cool so yeah you're the man she goes yeah i pretty cool. She's like, yeah, you're the man. She goes, yeah, I am the man. She's like, no, like the man, like the fucking destroyer, like the people who come from- Lana Del Rey. Like the people who are put to the guillotines first. Right. She's like, oh, all right, Lana. That's fucking dope. I like, you know, she keeps it G-real.

Uh-huh. Let's talk about other creeps because Tony Robbins just had a story released in the past couple weeks by BuzzFeed News, the legitimate newsroom, not the Catalyst people. And it's a really disturbing investigation. I had not really paid a lot of attention to him other than to know that he was like a infomercial dude with really like blindingly white teeth and so i just knew that i didn't trust him but so he uh they look behind the curtain of his super nda protected like non-disclosure agreements everywhere like you

you have to sign away your life just to like get into one of his seminars uh and also you have to pay like there is a tier of being a tony robbins follower that pays 85 000 a year to be like to get like those are like the people who go on trips with him yes and like you have his phone number and shit or like or you have another phone number that is like his other side phone. So it's a cult. Yes. It's very cult-y. It's a cult pyramid scheme. It's very Scientology-ish. Yeah. But with personal power.

Right. So cult. There's also a Scientology-ish vibe to how he and his law firm react to the story. They're just going after, trying to destroy anybody who says anything bad. And they're just like really aggressive. So what did they uncover in terms of his behavior? Okay. So one of the more disturbing things in the initial story was the actual content of like

the product that people pay for. He will like ask people if they've been victims of abuse and like uh in one instance a woman who was victim of sexual assault came forward and he like yelled at her for 50 minutes about turning herself into a victim uh and like his whole thing is like self-empowerment but it also is like at the expense of, you know, people who have been victimized. He's like,

you're just turning yourself into a victim where like they might be dealing with incredible severe trauma. And he thinks because he, a six, seven, you know, handsome white guy was able to, ah,

he's gummy. I would describe him as gummy. It reminds me of when in The Mask, when Dorian, the bad guy, gets hold of the mask and puts it on. That's what his face looks like to me. Yeah, he does look like that. Very gummy.

But anyways, he's 6'7". He's, I don't know. He's a large figure. Right, he's a large figure, and he assumes that because he was able to get to a place of success by creating a pyramid scheme that everybody should be uh by the way that's also the model of uh the four-hour work week or whatever the fuck well

that's what all those those like life coach success coach entrepreneur people are is like like they don't do anything other than tell other people to do the thing they do, which is do a success cult. Right. Right. Like, like, hey, you too can become an entrepreneur. What do I do? Tell other people how to become an entrepreneur. Right. And how do you do that? By telling them how to be an entrepreneur or just telling them to be an entrepreneur. Right. You see all these books behind me? I've read every single one. These are my nine Lamborghinis. This is a pre-roll for a YouTube video. Tai Lopez is going to be our generation's uh tony robbins well yeah and he all his story is always like i was 500 pounds right he lost my weight i got the woman of my dreams yes i have

a rolex so apparently while he got that first woman of his dreams he was constantly uh sexually harassing and assaulting various women followers he was using his position of power to like you know try and have sex with followers sounds like nexium right it's very nexiumish except without the ritualistic aspect of it right right without the body branding right but up to the early 2000s, when he married his second wife, he's like, hey, since I've had my second wife, I have barely assaulted anyone. So but he he's like he frequently used his position to hit on women in the crowds. He would whisper to women on stage that he wanted to watch them have an orgasm. orgasm. He had sexual relationships with women who thought of him as a mentor and he would make his assistants take dictation from him while he was in the shower and like would walk out naked. And

one time he like dropped his towel in front of his assistant and like was like looking at her like she should do something. And she like reported running out of the room crying and was like, why does he think this is a thing that I would do? And then he would also often fire women after either having a sexual relationship with them or being rebuffed for a sexual relationship with them. Yeah. Well, he's like the great motivational speaker

for boomers who are having midlife crises. Right, exactly. That's like, I mean, not to flame people I know. I know people who at a certain point in the middle of their life picked up the Tony Robbins tapes Right, exactly. BuzzFeed kind of goes out of their way to talk about women that they talked to who he never did anything to and who were like, I swear up and down, he's like a great guy. with now where a first report comes out and that gives other victims the courage to come forward because now four more women have already come forward with their own stories of sexual misconduct by him it's also just textbook cult thing so like like every sort of success it and like people think cults are maybe there's like this misconception that cults are always religious yeah everyone's wearing the same thing or something. Right, right.

Shaved heads, religious, believe in some kind of mystical, magical thing. That's not necessarily true. It can be like, you know, I think like NXIVM was not, it didn't have a kind of mythos. Actually, no, it did. Like once you got in deep, that's the thing. They like, this is life coaching. And then when you get in deep and it's like,

I'm the reincarnation of Jesusesus now have sex with me yes um so that structure that rigid hierarchy of power where it's like i am i am god right basically i will tell you how to live your life how to be success if you just put complete trust in me and that's a compelling thing because like i think giving i mean that's what alcohol and on is. Like you give your power away to like a higher power and that helps you cope with addiction. It's used in like diet groups where you give your – like that feeling of like I'm going to give my – all of this stress away to a higher power. It's very compelling. Yeah. And so when that happens in a cult situation where it's like this guy saying,

like, just trust in me, put all your trust in me, and I will lead you to success. Of course people are going to be like fall for that. But then the danger of that is then he's God. And then when God tells you, hey, I'm going to just drop my towel, look at my naked body, like, what do you do? You're like, oh, my, you know, it's crazy do you're like oh my you know that's crazy like what the fuck god right nah not not all this god yeah and i mean there's this there are like these

scenes where a woman is talking about you know she has a emotionally and physically abusive relationship with her husband like her husband abuses her and he blames her for being a crazy bitch a lot of the time oh my god that is legitimately a quote all right well tony robbins and then you see like that he's very charismatic because the woman after that is like no but he helped me like that helped me deal with my problem and i got out of that relationship so it's like defending it yeah yeah it's the same thing with like scientology like there's probably a handful of frequently useful ideas at the bottom of like all this charismatic shit. But he is using them to, you know, get what he wants off of people and basically be a predator. Yeah.

And he sounds like alt-right too. Yeah. Oh, really? He definitely. The victim blamey stuff. Like, oh, like the victim mindset. Right. You know, like that's a...

Oh, I hate that, that like... Rhetorically deflating. If you have the mindset of a victim, then you'll become a victim. Yeah, right. Like, I'm sure that a lot of murder victims are like, I just feel murdered today. Yeah. Like, I feel very murdery today. I'm going to manifest my murder.

Right. Yeah, it's like the secret where if you put out into the universe, like, man, gee, I feel very murdery today I'm gonna manifest my murder yeah it's like the secret where if you put out into the universe like man gee I feel like I'm gonna get stabbed in the face like then it just happens yeah it's that's kind of what I was getting at when I was talking about how handsome I find him is is that like he's had a very

fortunate like almost you know shockingly lucky path through his life where he's been able to get really rich and come back from whatever he thought his problems were. And so he just assumes that anybody who is suffering from anything can do that. And it's like, dude, you have so much fucking privilege just at the point when you were overweight and like thought your life was over. Right. Like you had so much privilege.

Not everybody has that ability to like just get over their victimhood like murder victims or like victims of abuse. Like, I don't know. It's just very frustrating. I think if murder victims just tried to not look so murderable... Don't let this murder

define you. If you're not wearing plate armor, you're basically asking to get murdered. Actually, I disagree. If you're wearing plate armor, you're actually inviting that kind of energy towards you. I'm actually doing a seminar

at the Burbank Hilton, Airport Hilton, about how to prevent your murder. Right, right. And it's $500 for a one-hour seminar. But I will give you the secrets to really sort of arm yourself energetically from any kind of negativity that could bring a physical manifestation

that would harm you and probably put an end to your physical existence. But again, you know, it's not for everybody. And everybody who doesn't come will probably get murdered. If you like think your way into becoming sort of an amorphous conceptual mist, you won't get murdered. Yeah, that's true. You can't stab a cloud.

Hashtag. That's not a shirt. Can't stab a cloud. His law firm, by the way, is a law firm by the name of Lavely and Singer. It's a mega Hollywood law firm with a client list that includes Bill Cosby, Charlie Sheen, and Scarlett Johansson? That's an interesting grouping. Why did BuzzFeed do that? I don't know. If those are the three most famous people, fair play to them.

Or are they trying to lump her into that crew? Interesting. That sounds like a- It seems like a weird crew for BuzzFeed to group together. Or maybe it's to show that they're not, maybe they don't specifically deal in sex crim defense and they just use Scarlett Johansson to soften it because they also do stuff to threaten people with lawsuits if you call out her yellow facing. Oh, yeah.

So I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, Tony Robbins, we're going to say a don't buy on his services as a self-help person. Yep. Please come to my seminar. On a lighter note, a pickup line to use on Tony Robbins would be, hey, do those gums go all the way up? All the way up! Oh, but he's a monster.

Nothing can stop my gums. He's a monster. Yeah. I remember, like, wasn't there a Family Guy episode where he, like, literally eats a person? He's just, like, some just big, like, hulking mutant. There's some depiction of him in a cartoon. I think it is Family Guy. Anyway.

I mean, his retractable lips do look very alien-esque. They're kind of like, you know, the lips retract, and then it's just teeth, teeth, teeth, teeth everywhere. He's one of those people who has used the fact that they swear to be like, look, man, I fucking say fuck. So like, I'm cool. I'm not. I can't be like inauthentic. I say fuck. Yo, man, yo, man, check this out.

Poop. Whoa. Pastor Tony's chill. Exactly. Sit in the backwards chair style like, hey guys, it's just like, shit man. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he is definitely pulled up and turned his chair around backwards before sitting down.

All right, let's talk about this plot that was uncovered that was coming from the Internet Research Agency over in Russia? There are documents that were recently released that look at the inside of the IRA, the Internet Research Agency, where that Russian troll farm that was funded by Putin's chef, that guy, Yevgeny Prigozhin. How rich is Putin's chef, by the way?

Who knows? I mean, who knows? Whatever Putin gives him. His cello player is a multi-billionaire. Oh, yes. Right. So in some of these documents, they found like a few different plans that they had in terms of like really trying to exploit racial tension in the country.

Like, obviously, they were doing certain stuff on social media, but there were some much darker plans that they had. One was just about, quote quote deepening conflicts in american society to undermine the country's territorial integrity and military and economic potential and part of that was about trying to manufacture a race war and this is like these were documents that they were not like there weren't a lot of details but these are things that were going on the pitch meetings with the ira of, well, we can do this. So one of them says the documents contained proposals for several ways to

further exacerbate racial discord in the future, including a suggestion to recruit African Americans and transport them to camps in Africa for combat prep and training and sabotage. Those recruits would then be sent back to America to foment violence and work to establish a pan-African state in the South, particularly in South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. The blueprint entitled, quote, development strategy of a pan-African state on U.S. territory floated the idea of enlisting poor, formerly incarcerated African-Americans, quote, who have experience in organized crime groups, end quote, as well as

members of, quote, radical want a plane ticket to Africa? Right. They would get knocked the fuck out. So I'm sure that, I don't know. No, no, no, it's a camp. It's a camp in Africa. Yeah, no, no, no, no, but we're going to show you how to clap back at the country that mistreats you and oppresses you. I mean, this shows you,

if one thing shows you the depths at which the Russians are thinking about how to fuck with this country and destabilize it by any means necessary, but the state of police relations and the leadership in office, I think is already doing a pretty good job of exacerbating racial tensions, uh,

in this country. Yeah. Do you think, what would our reaction as a country be to all the shit we're learning about Russia? Were, did like, if we didn't have a regime like the Trump administration in power like would we be at war with them

will we just be sanctioning the fuck out of them it would be it would heighten yeah i mean it would be ugly right anyone who actually saw like wow this foreign adversary is legitimately fucking around in our backyard yeah you would be like i'm sorry bro we're gonna hit you i mean first it would be sanctions and then they would probably escalate whatever there's i don't know where it would go and that's sort of the weird thing about the situation is like trump because he's just turning a blind eye to everything is that on one hand the tensions aren't escalating but we're we're giving the impression to other countries that like you do whatever the fuck you want over here we don't really give a fuck right or the president doesn't doesn't. Yeah. President. I mean, I kind of,

with the caveat that I think Trump is a giant turd monster and I hate him, but I am, it's the one thing I'm like, well, it's good that we're not at war with Russia because we both have nukes and that's bad. Yeah. But I think,

I mean, either way, this shit's going to manifest in some other ways somewhere else. Yeah. and i think that's what would be interesting if he goes out of office and uh someone else goes into the white house what that response is from a new administration be like just so you know this is not your fuck boy fuck toy over here like right i'm i'm actually going to do something about this and then where does that go do you think putin behind the scenes calls trump his fuck toy i think he calls him i bet he that asshole probably right no but i bet he like really like has some really derogatory fucked up name yeah yeah like about how he's his bitch in russian

it would translate to something like like potato in which i put my my wiener right yeah yeah like fuck potato yeah My fuck potato. Wow. He is how you call it, the fuck potato. I mean, he's just- Even in Russian, they say that? Yes. How do you call it?

How do I say in my own language, a fuck potato? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, clearly, that's like the weird double-edged sword of this thing. It's like, well, there's no tension we're at the at the expense of our republic being sabotaged and creating something far worse that's why i'm like i don't the response needs to happen yeah because it's not things aren't i don't think we're in a better place because we don't have increased tensions with russia i mean we already do in a number of other arenas yeah just not over this issue i do feel like though like of all the sort of plots, to try to create an army out of people who clearly would never have any interest in doing this is a pretty interesting play on their part.

I think the person who submitted that idea, that was a screenplay or something. who submitted that idea, like that was a screenplay or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine though, they go to camps in Africa and learn the powers to bring that back to the land that enslaved them and take it back.

Michael Bay wearing a big beard and being like, hey, it is me, fellow Russian Michael of Baychelov. Mikhail. Mikhail. Mikhail Bajovsky. But yeah, I mean, a lot of people in the intelligence community refer to what happened in the 2016 election as basically like a intelligence 9-11.

Yeah. Except it's Russia. Like if Russia had done 9-11, like that's the equivalent of what they did right to the 2016 and if you really want to think of it to its darkest element it's like that they put the person they wanted in the white house to fuck the country up as hard as possible yeah and that alone would be like uh meet me outside cash me outside yeah uh all right we're gonna take another quick break. We'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate.

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this is a it's a podcast that we have spent the last couple days trying to you know fact check make sure it's real and all indications uh from around the internet are that this is a real conversation that happened. I like this. You've probably put the most research into it. Right, this is as hard as we've tried to fact check. Look, I had to cruise Reddit cringe to look through the comments. Usually somebody comes up real quick like,

this shit is fake, I know because of this. Right, or a bit that they're doing because it's on a podcast. Because we all know how podcasts go. Right. You've got to get some kind of body language expert in to look and say, oh, you... Well, if you watch this clip, this person's body language seems very real to me. I want to see the clip.

In this clip... So we're actually going to plug in two miles of the laptop katie can actually see the video because his body language is part part of the thing that makes it so convincing that this is a genuine moment of uh a teachable moment for him yeah yeah and so this is them discussing just sort of bathroom habits around having a bowel movement right just like we all touch shit before you know i've never shit it in a tissue but you shit you touch shit every. I've never shitted in a tissue before. You touch shit every single day if you shit.

Like you don't wipe yourself? It got shit in the tissue when you wipe yourself. You don't know how to get the... Why are you touching the shit?

The tissue is for the shit. That's what I'm saying. You grab shit all the time No, no, no. You're not saying that. You don't. Yeah, you wipe.

You're not wiping. You grab the shit. You don't grab... Why are you grabbing shit? Hold on, hold on. Do you got shit stuck in your ass while you're taking? Are you telling me that y'all just let the doodle fall in the toilet? Y'all don't catch it every time?

Yo. I am about to leave, bro. How do y'all take a shit? I must have seen this shit wrong. My nigga. I've been catching my shit all these years. Now, I'm more disgusted than like i feel like i can't continue what are you talking about i'm my stomach so hold on so y'all just

sit there and shit right come right out so no way what happens if you got the runs or something like that what do you do then you wash your hair why do you think people i'm just gonna to edit this out. So he is turning to people off camera while this is happening, like being like, come on, am I crazy? He looks distressed. Yeah. He's like, wait, what? You got, come on, somebody back me up here. And if that's fake, then he should, he needs an agent.

Yes. He needs a fucking agent because the Bill, he did not know where he was he did not know where he landed and he was like what do you mean and then when he goes y'all just let the doodoo hit the water right when i heard that i'm like wow like this is someone who really thought i have been shitting the whole wrong the whole time was that what you thought yeah i'm trying to figure out like because like i'm trying to figure out the thought process there because why would you need to intercept the shit? I know.

That's what I'm curious about. But this goes on to a larger discussion we're having is that this taboo, I think we have taboo topics where I think people can develop these interesting ways of doing shit like taking a dump. Right. Because we don't really talk about it. And you meet people all the time and you're like, what? Yeah. There are these certain things. I've noticed it before with how you bathe.

It's just this sort of thing. How I bathe. Yeah, with how Miles bathes when I observe him. I ask for pointers, to be fair. He makes Jack dictate while I bathe. Jack, podcast idea. Take notes. No, it's a thing you don't really get feedback on.

We've talked before, I think, about how there are cultural differences and white people are less likely to use washcloths. Right. And I've gotten incredulous reactions. Wait, what? Yeah, that's a thing. washcloths. Right. And I've gotten incredulous reactions. Wait, what? What? Yeah, that's a thing. A washcloth.

Well, like you use like something else though, right? Like a poof or a... No, no, that's white people stuff. That's like late 90s, like the poof. Like just a tiny washcloth and soap that shit up and then you just... So like it's that white people use things like loofahs or poofs. No, I grew up just using soap in my hands.

Not a wash rag. Not a wash rag. I see. I see. Yeah, see? See, these are the kinds of things. But how do you get the... We wash it after.

Right. I mean, there's water running over it the whole time. I'm not saying I was right. And then you leave that by the toilet and then you can use it to wipe your ass. Right. Exactly. And then you soap it up in the shower and then you clean it back and forth. Right. That's a joke.

You look so perplexed. And there's also controversy around whether you have to wash your legs. I'm in the same camp as Soren Bui who tweeted, I'm so upset seeing people shame others on here for not washing their'm in the same campus, Soren Bui, who tweeted, I'm so upset seeing people shame others on here for not washing their legs in the shower. You don't have to wash your legs. They are self-cleaning. So are your arms and hair and butt hole showers cause deafness that travels

through water. Read a book. Now, obviously he exactly. Someone called him a dirty trifle. And it's like, that is Soren to a T. Yes.

Obviously, he was joking, but I am less likely to wash my legs probably than most other parts of my body. It depends. I definitely, my hamstrings don't get a lot of love. Right. I get my shins and my calf, and then I think I do a real half-ass sort of swipe at the back of my leg. I feel like you guys trust the gravity situation with water way too much. Yeah. Yeah, I think I probably do.

For me, it's like everything's got to go. It's all those skin cells. That top layer of dermis, it's got to go. Yeah. See, and these are things that – well, actually, the thing is in Japan, the sort of wash rag that I grew up with is just like an exfoliating. Because I remember as a kid, you would scrub yourself to your red, basically. It's sort of like how I was raised doing it. Then as I got older and I was showering, because I used to take baths more when I was younger.

Then as I started showering, I just got lazy and I would just hit quickly on the legs. Not as much as I was like buffing it down. Whereas Katie, you said you use steel wool and one of those grill grub heads. I have both a pumice stone and basically what's like a file that has like some grit sandpaper

material on it to just file down calluses and stuff. So it's like everything gets filed, you know, buffed out. Oh man, my feet calluses. You want some Parmesan? Oh no, why would you? Go on. But I think, you know, with like poo, and it looks like she wants to get something in.

And Superproduce, and Hosea, breaking news is what we're about to say. I actually, when you were talking about this earlier, it didn't occur to me, but I grew up, Iranian culture, you use a watering can to wash your butt. And my parents had, as I grew up, they had installed like little like handheld bidets to wash your butt. And then when I went to college, I basically had to learn to just wipe my ass and not wash it. Wait, what do you mean? So like there's a thing called like an aftabeh, which is, it's most families, they just have like a watering can next to the toilet. And so you use that watering can to wash your butt

wait do you just like pour it down your back? yeah and you wash your butt with it that makes a lot of sense though and that's what they do in Iran in Iran when you go all the toilets have so hold on if this is the can I just lean forward and I just pour it down my butt?

but they're usually smaller and so you can you, it's a lot easier to maneuver. So is there like, is there a wipe afterwards to sort of like? You can wipe if you're, you know,

to like kind of just dry yourself off. Right. But for the most part, you always clean your shit with a thing. That makes sense, but that's just another

iteration of a bidet, essentially. Yeah, that's a bidet situation. But, you know, it doesn't go, you know, straight up, yeah. Yeah.

Straight up, straight up. But when I went to college wait do bidets go right in there yeah they kind of it's an upward blast well do they but like I'm saying is it like

an enema kind of situation oh no no no the power is not that no I mean but look it can be if you have a mistake yeah

if you want to set if you want to set it to power wash right maybe but they don't have those in American colleges so you have to set it to power wash right but they don't have those in American colleges so you have to learn to basically just wipe your butt and it took

me a very long time to feel clean oh I'm sure yeah I would be like oh I'm not clean I'm not clean I mean you're probably right well cause like we never if you think about it we don't wash our hands by just rubbing a dry towel on it like you get mud on your hands by just rubbing a dry towel on it.

If you have mud on your hands, you don't just rub it dry. Wait, why would you do that? But you do soap and water. So with the butt, we're just like, yeah, just some dry paper. Just smear it. Just smear it around. Just dab it a little bit. By the way, do you guys use a washcloth when you're washing your hands?

Oh, no. You just use soap and your hands, huh? One hand to wash the other one? Wait, do you use a washcloth? No, I'm just saying. I'm getting defensive about my non-washcloth use. Well, it all depends. I mean, I think it's the same thing.

I think the exfoliating part is the difference, right? Because you've got to get them dead skin cells off. Right. I mean, if your hands get enough traction, I guess, like, then it should be fine. Yeah, you can get the skin to come off. For me, I just don't feel good

unless, like, unless I'm glistening with, like, sort of that dermis being exposed. Right. Some muscle. My skin's weeping.

Yeah. It's all a weeping wound. But, yeah, I mean, but that's the thing. Like, I remember you always see people with weird shitting habits my one boy

I'm not gonna say her name really good friend of mine always shit naked fully naked yeah I know people who are like that every single thing off his body

I can respect that and he would in high school he would put his clothes over the fucking bathroom stall he would steal that shit yeah and take off

that is you are opening yourself that's the tax you pay because I'm like dude look how he's shitting weird. Also, my friend's older brother, he shits with a towel on his lap. Hmm. Because he just doesn't want.

I have no idea. We tried to figure out what the logic was. I don't know. It's just like. So he doesn't have to look down at his dick and balls? I don't know. But it's like, it's like as if he's doing like a tablecloth on his lap. So he can eat?

Right. No, I think. I don't know. Maybe he thinks like maybe the odor will come up between his legs. So he can eat? No, I think, I don't know. Maybe he thinks like maybe the odor will come up between his legs. I don't know. And that's me trying to logically understand. He wants to seal in the particles.

What I always remember is like, yo, he takes a shit with a towel on his lap. That towel is gross. And his brother, my friend, takes a shit, has to have the shower on. Okay, yeah, I've heard that too. That I've done. Which is weird.

That I've done. With all the steam? It's like you're taking a shit in 3D. Well, no, it's because- I do have an issue with taking a shower after someone has gone number two in there. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, because I'm like,

oh, the poo particles are mixing with the water particles. And it's 3D. No, it makes them heavy and they settle down. Oh, interesting. Oh, is that what you do? No, no, it's for the noise. For the boys. No, no, for the noise.

Wasn't that a Bette Midler film? I don't want to get too poop heavy because I think there are other examples of this that are not necessarily poop. We were talking about how you sleep. Super producer Sophie Lichterman sleeps face down with pillows on either side of her. She's going to have late stage SIDS.

Right. Well, it looks like she's like rocketeering. Right. Like flying. Her arms are basically pinned behind her by pillows on either side and she's face down. And she, like her sophomore year of college, her roommate's boyfriend was like, yo, you sleep weird, by the way. She was like, why are you watching me? He's like, sorry if we bang too loud in your like, yo, you sleep weird, by the way. And she was like, why are you watching me?

He's like, sorry if we bang too loud in your dorm room, but you sleep weird. I have to, I cannot sleep unless like I pull my shirt. I have to wear like a shirt and it has to like go over my neck. Like I have to pull it. That's like a turtleneck? Yeah. Well, no, it can't be a turtleneck. So it has to be a normal scoop neck shirt.

And then I have to pull it over my throat and hold it there as if I'm like protecting myself from being strangled. Oh, wow. Yeah. I think it started like when I was a kid, like I was like starting to fall asleep in like a mosquito or some kind of bug like got in that little like neck dip area. And that like freaked me out. Like the little neck dip right above my sternum like really creeps me out if anything touches

it and so like I just learned that I have to protect my neck by like pulling and now I cannot sleep protect your motherfucking neck from you guys from golden arms and stuff so like now I have to I cannot sleep unless I do that I think that's I think that is evolutionarily sound.

Yes. Like, there's a reason that. I mean, I'm not going to get strangled. Right. Under your neck and, yeah, no way a strangler could get through your t-shirt. Through my, and my hands, my meaty hands. Katie does have gigantic. Gigantic claws.

Muscle-y hands. muscly hands. But I feel like the vulnerability of the part of your body is exactly equivalent to how ticklish it tends to be. And under your neck is very ticklish. Also under your arms. Also necklaces that hit you right there.

Just like, oh, I hate it. Wow. Damn, that's like your Achilles heel. So my family used to keep all our socks in the same drawer. And we just shared socks. And when my sister got married, her husband was like, what the fuck are you doing? Are you sock mixing?

Miss Sock-a-nation? Yes. Yeah. Old-timey problematic references. Yeah, I feel like food storage we were talking about is another version of this where, like, what your family does is different from other families, and when you open yourself up to the world,

it's like, wait, what? Yeah, like, I would always people, because with my mom being Japanese, like, refrigeration was, like, more of a, like, a luxury. Yeah. Not that there's a luxury, but just there was not as much of an emphasis to refrigerate things immediately. So when I started living with other people

and they're like, yo, you're going to get sick, dude. I'm like, motherfucker, I've been doing this and I'm healthier than you, so what is it? But I don't know if that's maybe I'm more accustomed to the bacteria. I don't know what it is, but I don't know if there's also logically,

like scientifically I should be sick. But in Japan, that's pretty common. You just have stews and shit on the stove. You don't put it there's also logically like scientifically I should be sick but in like but in Japan that's pretty common like you just have stews and shit on the stove you don't put in the refrigerator right away yeah I was raised like completely opposite where it's like everything gets refrigerated even stuff that shouldn't be refrigerated like peanut butter right and her majesty my partner she puts fucking chips yeah in the thing. Nuts. Chips? Everything. Yo, half bags of just weird-ass shit. Cereal boxes? Yes.

No. Yes. No. Yes. I found a bag of mixed nuts in my mom's freezer, and I was like, why? What the fuck for? And she's like, to keep them fresh. Uh-huh.

Oh, like batteries? Right. Yeah, whites are like, everybody out of the way. This food's going to get- Got to go in the refrigerator. No. Get it to the freezer. But I guess that's more culture, right? I guess with the poo poo thing i think that's born out of a taboo right because it's not like there's a video you see as a kid where it's like this is how you shit

in a toilet there's a big but like you really do there is a focus a lot of times on potty training so it's right maybe maybe like some weird stuff got in there and like. I just don't. The thing is, however anyone wants to do it is fine. But catching it, the reason that bothers me other than getting a turd on your hand while it's still warm. Wait, there's another concern? Yeah. It doesn't, it's not efficient.

Oh, here comes a scientist. still warm wait there's another concern yeah is that it doesn't it's not efficient what i don't understand the scientist well well i just don't understand what the utility is right catching it like like when you think about it like like when you think about it like why would i need to do like like when i spit out like let's not make it about poop like make it about brushing your teeth you know how you spit out the toothpaste into the stink. Would you catch it first? No, you swallow it. Yeah, you swallow it. Wait a minute.

You spit it out? You're supposed to spit it out? But the flavor is good. It is the delicious treat for your teeth and your mouth and belly. Wait, hold on. Do you spit out? Dan, do you spit out Dan you spit out your fuck okay another thing that Soren

like told me how he brushes teeth he was like everybody does it this way and I think his way was we agreed the more common but like I think it was like you have to brush with the toothpaste spit it out then like wash the toothbrush off then like

brush with the non toothpaste toothbrush and out, then wash the toothbrush off, then brush with the non-toothpaste toothbrush, and then take water into your mouth and spit it out. It was like this big thing that both him and Dan O'Brien did that they were like, wait, you do what? Whoa. They really want to make sure there's no toothpaste

on your fucking teeth. I feel like a swish I like to leave it on. Because then it probably sinks into those crevices. Yeah, and dissolves your teeth,. Yeah, yeah. I feel like a swoosh. I like to leave it on. I like it too, because then it probably sinks into those crevices. Yeah, and dissolves your teeth, which is the idea. But it's so minty. Zyke gang, we want to hear about the thing that you found out you do weird,

or some weird roommate that you had. And real stories only, because I saw on people on Reddit were just making shit up. That was unbelievable. We don't want to hear your fake stories and we can tell. I did see a Reddit story that I think might be true where someone's girlfriend used socks to wipe. Like her own?

Yeah. Like not because she was out of toilet paper? No, because she didn't want to touch the poop. And so she would buy a bunch of socks, put the sock over her hand, wipe, and then throw out the sock. But that's even more permeable than toilet paper. Or a latex glove. Exam gloves are cheaper.

I don't know. We need answers. Katie, find out. Socks? Actually, that's kind of baller, though. You're like, yo, I use socks, motherfucker, and I toss them. And the story was that this guy found a bunch of shitty socks. He's like, what's going on?

Then he talked to his girlfriend, and she was like, yeah, I didn't want you to find out. And that's the thing about this story is she knew it was weird, but she still didn't. Oh, that was my weird thing. Yeah. Coming this fall. Well, Katie, it's been a pleasure having you. Thank you. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you?

Well, every Wednesday is a new creature feature. Season two is up now. And if you could give it a listen, mash that like and subscribe. Mash it. Mash it. And like rating and reviewing it is really great. And, you know, I'd really appreciate that. You can also follow Creature Feature on Twitter, Creature Feet Pod, like F-E-A-T.

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as a bird filtered through the mind of a birb and is there a tweet you've been enjoying a tweet I've been enjoying hmm like I said that person who called Soren a dirty trifle probably British yes um all right Miles where can people find you you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray a tweet alike is from a past guest, Matt Lieb,

who said Tinkerbell is the Disney character I most relate to because if I don't get applause from strangers, I will literally die. And then since we were in a very cracked mood from past guests, Carmen Angelica at Carmesan cheeses said after several oversharing moments from complete strangers, I have come to the conclusion that I have resting therapist face. Don't be fooled by it. I give terrible advice and zone out easily.

And that is funny. Some people just do have that vibe where people just give you their whole life story unsolicited. And if you have met Carmen, you know that you want to tell her all of your life's problems. She does really have that. I both care what you're saying. And I hear you. And empathize with it. She's a wonderful person, but yeah.

What? Leave her alone. Oh, okay. Stop telling her all your problems, guys. Give her a break. She may look like she wants to hear it, but she does not. Andy Richter tweeted, I masturbated with CBD lotion and my penis moved to Berkeley to learn ceramics.

tweeted, I masturbated with CBD lotion and my penis moved to Berkeley to learn ceramics. Chris Simpson's artist Get Bent Saggy tweeted, remember to do this next time you're behind someone at a cash machine, XOX. And it is when you're behind someone at a cash machine, gently kiss their neck to let them know you are

not a threat. Oh, boy. Is that from Tony Robbins? And finally, from at PoshTick know you are not a threat. Oh, boy. Is that from Tony Robbins? Yeah. Oof. And finally, from at PoshTick, tweeted, school reunion, setting the scene. Everyone, mirror selfies. Lana, slowly removing name tag.

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I like this track. It's by Parquet Courts. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, you fuck by Parquet Courts, you know? Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, you fucking Parquet Courts? This one's called Before the Water Gets Too High. And I mean, look, given the state our Earth is in, I think this is a very appropriate song.

Shout out to Mike Huckabee's Beach House. Yeah, oh shit, we should talk about that at some point. But yeah, Huckabee, I hope your beach house fucking gets taken away by the sea. Huckabee-ched. Boom. All right. Oh, wait, one away by the sea. Fuck a beach. Boom. All right. Oh, wait. One more thing.

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