The Daily Zeitgeist - Call A Foul? Call The Cops! Trump: “JK Nvrmnd LOLOL” 7.17.18

Episode Date: July 17, 2018

In episode 191, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Jimmy Pardo to discuss more white people calling the cops on people of color, the media bias chart, updates on the Trump and Putin press conference, the GOP considering having Rod Rosenstein impeached, the Maria Butina spy situation, facts that support the pee tape being real, how UK economists proved that sports really bum us out, and more!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Buckle up and listen to In Our Own World on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust us, it's out of this world. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 40, episode two of The Daily Zeitgeist. For July 17th, 2018, my name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Guess Who's Jack? Jack again. O'Brien, a.k.a. Guess Who's Jack? Jack again.

O'Brien. Tell a friend. That is courtesy of Herm Flaffington at Balls and Hoops. And I am thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Just hit the studio of the TDZ on a mission trying to find Mr. Jack OB. Seen some dogs and her mads, ain't no need to tweet. All Zyte gang know what's up with T-D-Z. Thank you to Anna Claire Hodge for that, you know, I love Nate Dog rest in peace.

And I also love Michael McDonald, so that was a brilliant marriage of the two. It was. Have you done that AK before? Have I? I feel like in the back at the end I sang. Wow, calm me down. Look, man, I'm just fucking recycling all of these. Yeah, the end I sang. Wow, call me out. Look, man, I'm just fucking recycling all of these. Yeah, that's fine.

You just never call me out. No, no, no, no. Thanks a lot, man. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the funniest stand-up comedians in the world. He's the host of the amazing podcast Never Not Funny, one of the first podcasts I started listening to, so I'm kind of freaking out that he's here in our studio. I can tell how intimidated I am by a guest by how awful I feel when I do my AKA,

when I try and sing. Oh, how nervous you get? Yeah, I'm like, oh, this is stupid. I'm an idiot. Anyways, please welcome Mr. Jimmy Pardo. Thank you for having me. I wanted to break into song and join you guys, but I wasn't.

Maybe I should have got here at Jim and Jerry. Anything by Chicago? Well, I could do with my name involved. Children play in the park. Oh, you know what I used to do here? Damn it.

You brought up Michael McDonald. When I was in a band in high school, I used to do this. You don't know me, but I'm Jim Pardo. So I would do that to nobody's amusement. Yeah, well, I love... Hey, I'm Jim Pardo. Ooh. So I would do that to nobody's amusement. Yeah, well, I love, hey, I'm a huge Michael McDormand fan,

so that's respect out here. He's one of these guys that gets none, right? He gets ironic respect from people that want to look cool in Los Villas. Yeah, exactly. But, I mean, the Yacht Rock era was pretty, I just, I appreciate just sort of how unapologetically, like, sort of laid back and not really experimental that era was for music. But it was just singer-songwriter, Miles.

You're a young man. I grew up with that music. I despise the phrase yacht rock because to me it was just singer-songwriter stuff and people just doing their thing. Right, right. I guess, yeah, that's the sort of rear view look at that music. Yeah. that's the sort of rear view look at that music. Yeah.

So I get very, I don't, to me, yacht rock to me is like a review. You'd see on a cruise ship and they'd wear ironic costumes and songs like, Hey, we're going to do Bertie Higgins song now. And then, Oh,

I remember this. Isn't it stupid? Yeah. Whereas they're all great songs. Yeah. You know, you hear Brandy, you know,

45,000 times. You're going to like it. Her baby come back by player. I can do this all day. Great. She's a fine girl. I was going to say, I was allowing you to say it. baby come back by player i can do this all great so well she's a fine girl i was gonna say i was allowing you to say uh i appreciate that uh so we're gonna get to know you a little bit yes how can i better in a moment but first we like to tell our listeners what they're in store

for we are going to talk about all these white people calling the cops on people of color, we have a new record for just the most absurd example of that. There's a media bias chart that is out that I found very helpful, and I hope you will, too. We'll share it with you in the footnotes and describe it a little bit to you. We're going to talk additional reactions to the Putin-Trump meeting summit. reactions to the Putin-Trump meeting, summit. We're going to talk about Maria Butina, the colluder and spy and NRA associate. We're going to talk about why there's no real reason to think the P-Tape isn't real. I think at some point during the news cycle, we started thinking of it as a fun, absurd conspiracy theory. And it's like, no, this is entirely possible. This is kind of how they operate. We're going to talk.

Economists from the UK have proven that sports bum us the fuck out. So we're going to talk about that. But first, we like to ask our guest, Jimmy, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Oh, don't well i guess it's revealing about me as a father the last thing that i google searched was dickie goodman okay you're familiar with dickie goodman i'm about to become all right google it and tell me what the first thing is that comes up on dickie goodman and i'll tell you what my 10 year old son oliver and i were discussing the other day uh when i googled the name because we wanted to see other songs. Well, I guess I guess I gave it away a little bit.

He is a record producer who I'm seeing a YouTube song called Watergate. Okay, Watergate was not as big. Mr. Jaws was his big hit. Mr. Jaws. Do you remember that piece of trash? No. Oh, it's awful. Dickie Goodman pretending to be a reporter.

I'm guessing this was fascinating because he started in the 50s and 60s, I think. But in 75, he did Mr. Jaws where it's him, I'm here at the Namityville, I'm on the beach,

and I'm talking to a shark. And what do you think, Mr. Jaws? Please, Mr. Please. And then they would play drop-ins of songs. And that's the shark answering him. Wow. And it is 100% unlistenable.

But when you're 10, you love it. It's, hey, the shark is singing. My son did not, who's pretty, he's a pretty hip 10-year-old, thought it was a lot of fun and great, whereas my wife and I wanted to throw every speaker in our house away after he listened to it 75,000 times.

So I said, let's see if Dickie Goodman has another song. And Watergate's fine. There's another one, I think, called Mr. President, which is one of his first, which isn't bad. Batman and his grandmother is one of his songs. Yeah, that thing's awful. A lot of really sweaty premises for songs. Yeah, exactly. Mr. Jaws, so he's not making up lyrics.

He's using other snippets of songs. Like he'll say to Mr. Jaws, Mr. Jaws, why did you grab my hand? Why don't you give a hand to a friend? Oh, wow. Like he'll lend a hand, I guess, to grab the lyrics, right? Yeah. So he would drop that in, like that. Or what are you thinking about Captain Quince?

What are you thinking about the shark taking you off? Staying alive, staying alive. What? Like that sort of stuff. Yes. Dickie. I don't know. Maybe he's a big fan of this show, and I've just ruined his day. I bet not.

As a 10-year-old Dickie, I thought it was terrific. Frankenstein meets the Beatles. Oh, my God. Yeah. What is something you think is overrated, Jimmy? Something I think is overrated? Well, it's local. Okay.

That's fine. In-N-Out hamburgers. I think are maybe the most overrated thing, I'm going to say it, in the history of food. Wow. What's your thing? You love them, huh, Miles? I mean, look, I don't think they're overrated. And I've had this discussion.

What are you talking about overrated? The second you move here, it's like, oh, I just moved from Chicago. You've got to have In-N-Out. Oh, I'm not like that. How are you living your life without it? I'm jaded. I'm jaded. It's in my DNA.

In-N-Out is just the burger place that I go to. That's it, right? Yeah. And so that's where I understand when it opens up in Texas and people line up for it because it's like a thing from a faraway place where they've heard tell of this In-N-Out burger. But yeah, I think we had to sort of get real on this show and kind of rank burgers that are available. And I think In-N-Out has its rightful place as probably the best drive-thru burger you can get oh I think if I may

okay no no please absolutely of your skull what's your favorite drive-thru burger I'm not comfortable with you knowing okay

I am a big fan and that's fair you know I think can you go in the other room really quick Jimmy and I we're gonna talk about this I honestly

if push came to shove I think drive-thru I'd go McDonald's I think I would prefer I would prefer a Big Mac over the Big Mac is one of the great I'm going to talk about this. Honestly, if push came to shove, I think drive-thru, I'd go McDonald's. Really? I would prefer a Big Mac over- The Big Mac is one of the great food inventions of all time. Yes, you're in good company, too. I'm trying to think of another famous Big Mac fan.

Donald Trump. Yes. Yeah, see? Donald Trump eats the Big Mac without buns. Wait, he does? Yes. He eats it with a knife and fork? Yeah, with a knife and fork with no buns.

No buns? He's not a human being. Another reason to hate him. Yes. Because I know pizza, he just eats the toppings. He doesn't eat the bread. I don't like the bread. I just like the cheese and the sauce and the toppings.

He doesn't like bread at all, yeah. And that's not a glute thing, right? No, he's like a kid. I remember as a kid, I was like, man, the cheese and the pepperoni is the best part. Why don't I just eat that shit? Right. And he's out here being like,

just scrape that off, and I'll just eat a congealed cheese meat mess. Yeah. I will say, okay, so here's my take on In-N-Out as, you know, not growing up here. So not having been raised on it. I will say the fries are bad. They're not good fries. Top worst fry you ever had.

Like if you have the option between the two. Oh yeah, I eat McDonald's fries every day. McDonald's fries are way better. I do. I heard they cure baldness. I found out I think it's only accelerating mine. I think the In-N-Out burgers are decent. I think the only way that you can give them like a special

place is that value wise. They're a really great value. They're not as good as Shake Shack burgers. Shake Shack burgers are way better, but they're more're really great value they're not as good as shake shack burgers no shake shack burgers are way better but they're more expensive but that's a restaurant you walk in you walk in that's an experience you know play foosball right yeah but in and out i mean yeah again also they salt the shit out of those patties though too that's that's where a lot of people don't realize what they're responding to when they eat it it's just the fact that it's just so salty that you're like oh oh, man, this is good.

And you're like, eh, it's just a lot of salt. It's salty patties with fresh ingredients. But at least it's fresh ingredients. I guess that's the hook for me is like, at least I know that it's fresh-ish. Yeah. More so than. By the way, I used to go see salty patty dance back in the 80s. And she was dynamite.

Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? You know, this won't surprise you You already brought him up I think post Terry Kath, Chicago The band Chicago is underrated That does not surprise me at all Well, I panicked when you guys said overrated

I thought about saying the band The Knack Because everybody just thinks they have one song, My Sharona Right But I thought, in my gut People really like to crap on post,1978 Chicago and 80s Chicago, that era when Peter Cetera was the face of the band. And those are great songs. They're great pop songs.

They're great 80s songs. And yeah, it's not the same social commentary that was happening in the 70s with that band or the horn-laden songs, but they're still great songs. And you are a Chicago devotee. I am. They are my favorite band. I was lucky enough to be in the documentary that was out about them.

Oh, nice. And I had the pleasure of being with them backstage at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame when they got inducted. Damn. And which was just a highlight of my, just my dumb career, but to use that word. But to be back there, and Jimmy Pankow, who is the trombone player,

came up and he said, Jimmy, we're so glad you're here. We're so glad you could share today with us. Like, what the hell are you talking about? Yeah, that's amazing. I can't believe you haven't chased me out of the dressing room yet. What do you mean you're glad I'm here? Yeah, it was really, you know, for being a kid, listening to him when my dad was listening to them,

and then, you know, them being my favorite band. Yeah. Yeah. So I underrated post Terry Kath Chicago, Miles. Boom. Put it down. What's a myth? What's something you know to be false that everybody else thinks is true?

You know what? I panicked and I asked my wife about this. What, you know, what, you know, because what do I run my mouth about? Uh-huh. And I think the answer to that that we settled on was guys being slobs. You know, comedians always like to say guys are slobs. They sit around, they pass gas, they throw things on the floor, they smell their shirt to see if it's clean.

Fuck that. Yeah. I don't know a single guy that does that. As I look at two that I panicked, maybe you're going to have to say it's you two. Right. But I don't. I don't know a single guy that walks over to his laundry bin and goes, oh, is this one clean enough to wear? Yeah, yeah. No, you're human beings. You live don't. I don't know a single guy that walks over to his laundry bin and goes, is this one clean enough to wear? No.

You're human beings. You live your life. So I think that myth, that can go away. That sitcom trope, that stand-up comedy trope. Although maybe some guy in Nebraska does that. I don't know. I mean, I know. I definitely have friends who fit the mold of scum dude. Really?

Yeah. I have a friend. I'm not even going to name him. This is more about who Miles spends his time with. I'm from the Valley, so I know some interesting characters. Like my one friend who I've known since preschool, God bless him. He is sort of exactly like that, where he'll just, I remember like in high school, he would go into

his garage to see if there were like old clothes his dad wasn't wearing anymore to avoid doing laundry, and just be like, oh, I'm just going to wear this old flannel with rust all over it or whatever. And I remember at one point he was so bad at doing his laundry. He has like all of his laundry was piling up on his bed that he just stopped sleeping on his bed and just slept on the couch. Okay.

Well, that's, that's, that's hoarding. And maybe, yeah, it could be. That's something different. Maybe I'm like, I'm very like, I'm like normalizing some like darker behavior. And that's just him. So, yeah. But yeah, I don't, I definitely don't like farting unless it's around Her Majesty, my girlfriend.

Right. Because she finds it entertaining. She finds it horrifying. Or my grandmother because she gets so upset about it, but it gets a good laugh. Right. But other than that, he's cringing for me. I don't even like the word. I hate the word.

Oh, wow. I hate the word. I hate the premise. I don't even like the word. I hate the word. I hate the word. I hate the premise. I don't understand why it happens. I don't know why. I mean, I know children think it's funny. I'm a child, though. My two-year-old just started saying, I make a fart. And that's the greatest thing ever.

But I agree. In terms of as an adult to another adult, I'm disappointed in you, Miles. Yeah, well, look, I'm not out here farting for laughs like in the office. You know, like I've worked with people who thought that shit was funny who were like in their 30s. And I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is in the privacy of my home to have fun. But I guess that makes it no different.

No, that's the way. You got to get out of that relationship. I may be overstating it, but you got to get out. You got to get out of that relationship. I may be overstating it, but you got to get out. I do agree, though, that if it's between men and women, that there's no real difference. Some people are very sloppy. Some people are neat freaks, and it doesn't really matter. I don't think women are more likely to be, you know, neat freaks.

Female bathrooms are a disaster. I know. I can easily be just as much as the dudes, but again, I just don't, I don't, I don't, whenever they talk, like, I remember somebody said this about, I forget who it was, they were working on a movie with Jennifer Aniston. They go, I love Jennifer Aniston. She's one of the guys. She'll sit around, smoke cigars and fart.

Like, I don't want to hang out with dudes that do that. Right, that's true. What are we, in prison? Why is this happening? Just blow cigar smoke in your face. Yeah, what the F are you talking about? Hey, fire up that Churchill. Yeah, right?

What's up? It's Aniston in the building. You're like, oh, fuck. What the F are you talking about? I wanted Rachel from Friends. Awful. All right. Close that up.

Shut it down. Shut Awful. All right. Close that up. Shut it down. Shut it down. All right. All right, now is where I literally just sit here and listen to you two talk. No. No, I mean, that's absurd. You guys are, you know, this is far heavier than any nonsense I do. Okay.

I'm just full of rage and go, you know, fuck him! Okay. And then you guys will talk articulately about it and intelligent. Not always. Not always. All right. I might do some farts. You never know.

No, I do know your lady friend's not around. Yeah, exactly. Or grandmother. Yeah, all right. All right. So let's talk about the latest trend that is apparently not the latest trend. No, definitely not a trend. But something that's been happening forever.

But I think we reached a new level, at least as I'm aware of, in white people calling the police on people of color. We have a guy in a LA fitness in Virginia who got screened in a pickup basketball game, fell to the ground in dramatic World Cup player fashion, like he had just stepped on a mine and then immediately walked to the front desk, said he was calling the police and did call the police and then just waited patiently for the police to come and then said, I got screened hard and I want you to do something. So tell me the cops come and go, okay, sir, you're the one who was calling for us? He's like, yes. And he'll say, the police officer say, okay, so what happened? And what do you, and what do you think he said to the police officer? He assaulted me, yes. And he'll say, the police officer will say, okay, so what happened? Yes. And what do you think he said to the police officer?

He assaulted me, I think. That's probably how he put it. And then the guy is like, which one? He's like, well, this black guy. Right. And then what happens? He's like, bro, I just put a pick on him. You know what I mean?

Right. Yeah. And he ran into it because that is basketball. Why would a human being call the cops on this? No. It's staggering. Wait. Did he say, like, he threw an elbow and, like, broke i broke my chest i have marfan syndrome i have a weak chest wall like putting

me at risk like what is the what is the how do we take this beyond like logically that it was anything more than you got you're in your feelings because you probably ran into the screen but wouldn't first step be maybe you complain to management hey that guy's playing a little too rough on the court. Right. Yeah. As opposed to, you know what, I got to call the authorities on this. That's my question is, are they seeing these videos going viral and thinking that we're proud of the white people who are calling the cops? They're like, see, we can apparently call the cops on this.

No, because they're the heroes of this narrative. You don't see Drudge being like, brave man of Virginia gym ends the scourge of blindside pics. Like, you know, that's not what it is. It's just we live in an era now where people have access to video cameras on their cell phones. They can document things and spread that information much quicker because of social media. That would just be more apparent. So this was happening all along? I mean, there is no shortage of people from my dad as a child to me, even in my teen years

of having experiences with police that were unnecessary because people being at a park see you through a window and they're like, there's people of color at the park at night. Right. And then they pull up and they're like, what's going on? And you're like, we're playing basketball. And they're like, all right, well, someone called the cops and they thought you were doing something. And that's nothing new.

So I think now it's just people are, for whatever, getting even more bold. So they're willing to be, I mean, because really what they're doing is they're treating, you know, the police as customer service for their waning white privilege. Right. You know what I mean? They're like, excuse me, I would like to, the only people that can sort this out is the police because you have the guns. Right.

And you can put your foot down on this. And then most of the time when they come up,'s incident free and other times it can be fucking fatal right so to me it's like it's nothing new we're just seeing it more and it's being documented more and i think like i there could be maybe a slight uptick but this is not a new experience for you know you know like getting pulled over because you're black and maybe there's yeah there's this new element of now you know we're seeing people just because you're black. And maybe there's this new element of now, you know, we're seeing people just calling the police for any old reason. Like even in Canada now, I read a story about a black family

getting the police called on them because they were at the pool or a Muslim family because they were wearing cotton at the pool. I'm still not sure what exactly their grievance was with that aside from probably the kids. I think one of the kids may have had hijab on or something like that. Right. So it ain't nothing new. Right did what was the fallout here what did the police do when they arrived the police showed up the athlete who like screened him was asked to step outside of the gym and the cop talked to them and this is the photograph you see of it where the cop

is standing between them and it's like a preschool like you know, where the cop is standing between them. And it's like a preschool rivalry where the teacher is just talking to them, telling them how you handle your feelings. And the guy who called the cops is standing on the other side of the cop with his arms crossed like, ha-ha, now I got you, man. And everybody was just blown away. I mean, anyone who grows up playing pickup basketball, you know there's always that friend who everything is a foul. Right.

Oh, that's a foul. That's a foul. You reached in. That's a foul. You blocked me. That's a foul because it's my ego that you fouled. But I don't know what happened to this guy that he didn't get the constant foul calling shamed out of him by playing basketball enough.

As a 5'4 1⁄2 man, I would spend a lot of time on the bench at the pickoff basketball games. Should I have called the authorities? Yes. I have not been picked. I haven't been picked. I think it's racism. They're like, these guys are all white, too.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I just thought I should blow in a call to an ancestry test. We should look deeper. Yeah. But yeah, it's just I i mean at some point i think i think obviously the conversation now is shifting towards what is the proper protocol for police

officers to handle these kind of situations when they're unnecessarily brought in to intervene on behalf of people who are just have some kind of implicit bias uh because like you know there are people who i remember there was a story about the group of black women playing golf and the owner of the country club called the police because they were playing too slow. Yes. Insanity. You know what I mean?

And that's when the police have to be like, I'm sorry, this is not a priority for us as police. Like we're here to stop like real crime. And if I'm out here trying to mediate you because you don't like the speed at which these women are playing golf and something happens and I'm here, then we have problems. But I don't know if like – because 9-1-1 can't be, I'm sorry, that's not heavy enough. Right. Because then you get into a slippery slope of like being –

Because what if something does happen? Exactly. What if all of a sudden there's violence and that 9-1-1 person said – Right. And I think that's where maybe the police have to begin having to mediate these in a way that they're like, so let me tell you how I'm seeing this law enforcement. You have no standing. You look like this feels like harassment to me or whatever. And I don't know how they're going to begin. There should be some like official form of harassment or something like a fine at the very least to like when you waste the police's time.

You know what? When my alarm goes off at my house. I'm sorry I interrupted you. No. But I was just adding to what you said. When my alarm accidentally goes off and they can't contact my wife or I, the cops show up and it's like, oh, nothing happened here. I get $150 fine. Yeah.

So that should happen here. If you're wasting time on the 14th green saying those ladies are too slow, let's go. Yeah. Pay a bill. Pay a bill. The other thing is, I mean, because there are laws about, like, calling 911 falsely or whatever, like unnecessarily, but those are rarely enforced. I mean, I think the permit thing is because the alarm thing is because that they think

they're responding to something much more serious. Of course, they show up and yeah. Yeah. But I think that's where, you know, these police associations or, you know, community groups or whatever need to really figure out or just people just need to realize people of color are not a threat to you. Right. I'm sorry that we're out here trying to exist too, but I'm not at the pool being like, I'm going to turn this place into all black. Right.

Y'all going to have to wear koofies and start celebrating Kwanzaa. You know what I mean? It's not like that. So come on. Just let us live. Also, so next up we want to talk about this media bias chart. There's not too, too much other than like you guys should check it out. One of the things that has kind of been a recurring theme that I've been talking about is the fact that because people think there is a mainstream liberal bias, Fox News is way more damaging than it would otherwise be because basically they're so far right and so absent of fact

that they are the only mainstream media outlet that is not sort of somewhere near the center. And this just kind of backs that up. Basically, the only equivalent on the left to where Fox News is on the right are these websites that as a progressive person, I had never heard of like they're they're these websites forward progressives David wolf bipartisan report Occupy Democrats Palmer report patra botics So they had to like really go looking for you I mean I know as far left the Occupy Democrats as like a Facebook group or a right like a Twitter thought of maintenance not as a like

source of reporting or whatever. The Palmer Report, though, is, right? Don't friends send you guys stuff from the Palmer Report? If they do, I don't know. Then I'm like, why are you emailing me? But no, I have not interacted with the Palmer Report. I mean, when I look on the spectrum, the closest to that sort of line of propaganda like is like alternate or Daily Kos or whatever. But I think that's because they also have a lot of opinion and they're baked into their stories.

And then, yeah, but then you look at what all the things that get into the like propaganda or miscontent contains like, you know, intentionally misleading information. That's you see Fox News, Breitbart, Newsmax, The Blaze, InfoWars. I mean, we know InfoWars. But we've heard more of these outlets on the right than we have in these sort of extreme cases. And Patriotics or whatever, we looked at that website. It was like a blog. They haven't posted since like May.

So they were really digging. But most of the stuff that you would see like MSNBC, Mother Jones or CNN or something, Drudge and Fox News and all the sites that you hear about, The Blaze, Newsmax, Breitbart, they're all in the far left. And at the bottom, there's a vertical access that talks about whether it actually contains facts or not. So is it Wall Street Journal that is probably the closest to the center? So Wall Street Journal and National Review are basically the right leaning equivalent of the new york times the hill bloomberg that's well the washington times is even closer to center than uh national review is right kind of look at

the chart right but i i feel like the washington times is not that well known no no no no right like did you guys ever see i mean i never saw c saw CNN as left-leaning, to be honest. I mean, MSNBC certainly, but CNN to me always just kind of seemed kind of centrist. I mean, until, you know, we started hearing that it was fake news, then all of a sudden it got pushed over to the left, and I still don't really see it that way. They still, you know, make the mistake of having certain pundits on that MSNBC is, you know, we're not even going to bother doing that. Yeah, and I mean, CNN's basically in the know, we're not even going to bother doing that. Yeah.

And I mean, CNN's basically in the center. They're a little bit to the left, but they get more, it's the, where, where it gets sort of shaky for CNN is just sort of saying there, they have more opinion.

Right. And fair persuasion. Right. Where they fall into it versus being like completely neutral, free of commentary, which is like AP Reuters and things like that. Who, by the way, did a wonderful job yesterday, both AP and Reuters. Those were the two reporters who asked the questions that kind of tripped the president up. But I think a good

example of where this comes into, like where this becomes a problem is, I was just reading Nate Silver's sort of recap of the 2016 election, and he was talking about when Comey released that letter saying he was looking back into the Clinton things. And the New York Times and all these like centrist outlets made a huge deal about it. And I think it was for the same reason that Comey released it in the first place is they were afraid that Fox News would, once Hillary Clinton had won, make a huge deal out of it. And so by having this very influential outlet that is influencing the mainstream and how the mainstream behaves, you are pushing everything to the right. So, yeah.

New York Times, I mean, yeah, skews liberal, but oftentimes dabbles in conservative nonsense. Right. Nonsense. That's a perfect word, too. They don't just go, oh, here's an idea. It's like conspiracy theory nonsense. What are you doing?

New York Times? Yeah, because they're reacting to that. Because they're, you know, they know that that's an influence. They're like, hey, we had six Alan Dershowitz, Martha's Vineyard stories, like, in one weekend. Yeah. You don't need that. I mean, but that poor guy. That guy can't have a salad, guys.

I mean, I don't know. Come on. Let him have his salad with his buddies. They're shunning him over a Caesar. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. pick. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th 2017 was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate.

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Listen to The Making of a Rivalry, Caitlin Clark vs. Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we wanted to continue to talk about the story that seems to be occupying most people's thoughts right now, most media outlets thoughts, which is the Putin Trump summit in Helsinki. Guys, I've got to be honest. I was on Amazon Prime all day yesterday. Did something happen to the president? all day yesterday. Did something happen with the president? Yeah, apparently it did. I didn't think it was a big deal. So we talked about it yesterday, just a couple of things. We had a person who's very far to the left on as our guest yesterday. And he had some extremely spicy takes about why he didn't think any of this mattered. And it was also one hour after the press conference, so we were still digesting it.

And I don't know. I mean, suffice to say, Josh, who is part of Democratic Socialists of America, what their focus is on is about working people, running the economy and society democratically to meet human needs. So foreign policy isn't the priority, I think, politically for DSA, because they're all about empowering working people. Now, I think

what happened is yesterday, the people took this, you know, his take was, I think maybe he personally believes that it isn't a priority because working people and the middle class is basically dying here. Yes. Yes. And I personally pushed back when he asked me if I thought it wasn't important because I do think it's important because any kind of fuckery or meddling from Russia maintains the power structure in this country and keeps the GOP in power and this enabling to keep going on. Right. And also two things can be important at the same time.

Yes. And even though he believed that, I do not. And I know some people were sort of disappointed and like, oh, well, why don't you push back? Look, he's there to have his opinions on that. I push back. But again, yes, I can make that clear that we obviously these two things are very important. And at the end of the day, like when you look at how just sort of like things like wage stagnation and lack of access to reliable health care is a huge problem for American citizens. That does have a very destabilizing effect on our population as well because it creates more division and it allows the corporatocracy at the top to point the finger at other people and say it's not us hoarding all of the wealth.

It's these other people that are taking your opportunity. Yeah. But we still need the democracy to function. And Russia is kind of getting in the way of that. So let's talk about that personally. So it didn't change anything, I believed, heading into the press conference, because I believed Trump was incapable of saying anything wrong about Russia because either his ego won't allow him to like admit that he got help in his electoral victory or because they have some sort of compromising information on him, which we'll talk about in a second. It's more ego than that. Right. Even if they have something on him, it's all about him looking like he didn't win. Right. Right. And that's all he cares about. Because like you say, then you could worry about more than one thing at once.

It's like every time this comes up, he just, it's a witch hunt. Right. But it's, it's not about just you, the Russians attacked. Yeah.

Right. So why don't you, yes, if you had nothing to do with it, or if you did, it's still about the fact that it happened. So as a president, let's worry about that.

Yeah. But he doesn't understand what it means to be president. And that's the problem. And that's why yesterday was so fucked up is that he had the opportunity as the leader of the country to confront the person who is meddling in our democratic process. Yeah, and it was significant, but I found it completely unsurprising. Like going into that, there was no doubt in my mind that he was not going to confront Putin. First of all, because he has a huge crush on Putin, but also because he just doesn't have it in him, I don't think, to be confrontational with him. No, he can only be confrontational with women.

Right. Yeah, that really does seem to be the case. He gets pretty spicy when it's May or Merkel, but when it's Putin... It was one of those things we were talking about, sort of the black hole analogy of sort of like, you know, you don't have to, like when astronomers, you know, are trying to observe a black hole, you can't see it, but you can see its gravitational pull on things around it. And I think from the election, like when we first started, even the buildup to election day, we saw that there was like this weird Russia thing bubbling

up that you're like, damn, like that kind of makes sense. Like that's crazy. And then now you're seeing like more and more the connections. And I for sure was like, yeah, this doesn't surprise me. But it was it is when you think about it, it was surreal, though, like when we actually fully watched the press conference and you're like, oh wow. We're not even speculating at this point. We're looking with our eyes that this... He was just sort of looking at Putin like, yeah man, whatever he says, I agree with.

And you're like, wait, what? The APM Reuters put it fully, you know, they made him choose. Do you believe the FBI or do you believe Putin? And he chose Putin. So, I mean. So how is he still there today?

I know I would say that as a rube, as a dumb comic, I say that. But it's like, shouldn't, I know that this has been the problem since he got in office, is the GOP not doing anything or not, you know, checks and balances on nothing. But why wasn't it like while he was on a plane yesterday flying home, didn't they go, let's get together in a little clubhouse? This has to stop now, right? Right. I mean, we let it go on so long. We got one Supreme Court guy. Let's end this nightmare.

And then if we bring Pence in, they still have, anyway, I'm running at the mouth, again, more emotionally than articulately. No, but I agree. I think that question occurred to everybody yesterday is like, well, clearly this has to be it. Clearly people are going to be like, well, he's obvious. Like he just said. I believe the Kremlin and GRU over our own national security and intelligence apparatus. Yeah.

He just said that. And even Putin on wax is like, yeah, I wanted Trump to win over Clinton. Okay. So you helped him win because you wanted it. And then, so yes, what can they do? There were so many, there were some really cool, hot, you know, tweets from GOP Congress people yesterday. Like, oh, it was a shame. It was a disgrace.

I've never seen anything like this. I can't believe. But all the same, all the same people who have been criticizing him. They'll do nothing. McCain and Flake. And it was the same thing when Charlottesville happened and the party became basically aligned with white nationalism and then

beginning like, this is a disgrace. I cannot believe that. Then the news cycle changes and then you don't have to really be on him anymore about that. And this will probably happen with this too, which is what's the most frightening. And now you can really say, I mean, not to say that before you couldn't, but this party is so, I don't know, their enabling is now reaching dangerous proportions. Because what could they do?

They could censure him, but that doesn't remove him from office. That's just going on record for history to say, we really disagree with you, Mr. President. That was bad. Right. Or you can have hearings and calling cabinet members and be like, yo, what the fuck's going on over there? What's going on in the executive branch? Or, I mean, if these Republicans are truly appalled and are saying this is disgraceful, they have the power to say, hi, we won't confirm your Supreme Court pick. Hi, we won't get through any more of your nominees

or appointees that you need confirmed. Hi, we won't vote on another fucking bill that you want until you sort this out and you talk to Putin and you correct this. But they're not going to do that. So that leaves us in a position where you're like, oh, okay, so you're clearly, you don't want to do anything.

And I think as long as you're, you you're making the Koch brothers' dreams a reality, then they're willing to just stomach anything. Now, isn't he having a press conference right now, even as we speak? Is he? Okay, so now breaking news as we're talking about this, but it's still meaningless. So he just had a press conference in which he says, A day after his much-criticized news conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin, President Trump attempted some damage control Tuesday saying, quote, I accept, end quote, the findings of the U.S. intelligence community that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential campaign. But he again repeated his claim that there was no collusion between his presidential campaign and Russia.

So, look, too little, too late, my man. You were there in the building. You could have stuck your chest out and don't just come home and be like, yeah, little bitch. You're like, what shit? Nothing, nothing. You ain't about shit. And you know, you did what you had to do because this man is clearly, he's like Debo and Friday and he has control over you.

Yeah. I think when FiveThirtyEight was talking about how when you poll people about like the positive assets of Trump's personality, they ask like smart and he does not score well. Right. You know, all these different things on us does not score well, but powerful. He always scored well. And I think this is directly like weakening that impression of his brand, that he's powerful, because he went up there and just completely cowered in the face of Putin and just said, yeah, whatever he says. Ask him. He has some great ideas. By the way, the great idea that he was talking about in the press conference was that Mueller would go to Russia and speak to and interrogate the people who they were indicting with Putin there.

And then also he would get to interrogate Americans who he once killed. I think it's a very nice offer. I'm saying that it's a very nice offer. Very fair. What are you talking about? It's a nice offer. I don't know. And that's why, yes, it's starting to look like that sort of worst case scenario where we're like, oh, maybe this dude is really, he really is under control of Putin, has much

more weight to it. Yeah. Meanwhile, Breitbart's top three headlines are all different pieces of a single statement by Rand Paul. President did a good thing by meeting with Putin, shouldn't turn it into a partisan issue is their top headline. Okay, so that's certainly the most almost comically positive spin

you could put on that meeting, which followed him spending a week antagonizing our allies in NATO. And then next headline, cites Trump derangement syndrome because people were outraged that he sided with Putin's take over the fully

evidence-based case by our national agency, intelligence agencies. But those are two separate headlines. And then President Thanks is their third headline because the president thanked him. So that's how hard they're having to focus on the one glimmer of an actual person in a position of power saying what happened yesterday wasn't a complete fucking disaster for them. And even Fox and Friends, even this morning, they were still having trouble trying to wrap their heads around it. Steve Toostie was having trouble?

I mean, Kilmeade was like, it's not good. They just couldn't figure it out. Right right because they don't know what to do now and tucker carlson last night i think he blamed mexicans he said certainly it's mexico i was i was waiting i was like what is he going to possibly come up with to respond to this press conference and it was that yeah sure maybe r manipulated our election, but the Mexicans are also manipulating our election by, and I quote, packing the electorate, which just means immigrating to our country, I guess. I mean, I'm pretty sure Mexicans do not make up the largest group immigrating to the United States anymore. So what's going on? This isn't the Zimmerman telegram part two. Right. Yeah, I know what that means.

going on this isn't the Zimmerman telegram part two right yeah I know what that means uh and well that was I'm glad you said that out loud because that was in uh the Germans were like trying to get a military alliance with Mexico if uh if the U.S. entered World War I against Germany they're like oh you should yeah you should attack from down there anyway that's history so uh the GOP I mean this kind of fucked up their whole plan, right? Because they were planning on trying to impeach Rob Rosenstein, right? Yeah. On Friday after Peter Strzok testified and basically handed out L's like it was Halloween. Right. Then we heard like Trey Gowdy and the rest of like I think Mark Meadows and probably Jim Jordan.

Mark Meadows and probably Jim Jordan. They were considering really pressing forward on impeaching Rod Rosenstein because they had to spin this in some way and point the finger at anyone but themselves. Now, this thing has completely fallen apart about whether or not the intelligence community was against Trump. I mean, we're seeing now it's very clear what was going on. And yeah, so now I think they're sort of, I don't know if it's very clear what was going on uh and yeah so now i think they're they're sort of i get i don't know if it's a last ditch effort because they'll probably find another way to act out of desperation is to now uh impeach rod rosenstein and get him out of the doj and then

probably put someone else in and then probably try and stifle the muller investigation that way but it's at this point it's not the optics are not good for something like that. But he came out today and said, no, you know, he believes it. Yeah. I accept it. So how are they going to, yeah, how are they going to pull that off? Say, we're cool. Right. He believes it now.

We're going to be fine. Get rid of Rosenstein. This is the trouble with having a reactionary person who's just distracted by whatever the nearest shiny object is as your leader. You just can't really get your grounding. Right. And, I mean, now we have the story of Maria Butina coming out, who is a literal Russian fucking spy colluding with Americans. Yes. And now a lot of the documents keep it very vague.

It says she was talking to American one or American number two or whatever. But a lot of people have began to maybe surmise who these people are. But anyway, you know, Maria Butina was charged as basically acting as an agent for the Russian Federation. And, you know, based on communications they intercepted, she was working with Alexander Torshin to, quote, they took steps, quote, to develop relationships with American politicians in order to establish private or, as she called them, back channel lines of communication, an FBI affidavit filed in court says. And, quote, these lines could be used by the Russian Federation to penetrate the U.S. national decision making apparatus to advance the agenda of the Russian Federation. So, you know, she was doing stuff like cozying up to the NRA. She was like a Russian gun rights advocate, which I'm not sure what that means. I'm not sure there's a huge gun rights issue in Russia, but hey, whatever.

And she cozied up to the NRA because they identified the NRA as being one of the biggest donors to Congress and having a lot of influence over the GOP. They're like, yo, maybe that's a good intro. Well, yeah, and if you want to look at why they go to the NRA, just look at that Sacha Baron Cohen documentary, because I mean, why would these people be willing to read just whatever you put in front of them? Because they don't think about this shit. They're just like, whoever is giving me money, whoever is giving me exposure, I'm going to do whatever they say. Right.

And so, yeah, she's going to go through the NRA. Yeah. So in the documents, it alleged that there was an American that assisted her, a U.S. political operative who helped introduce her to influential people. That person hasn't been named or charged, but the description, people are saying, is of this man named Paul Erickson, who's a GOP consultant, who was trying to organize a meeting between Trump when he was a candidate and Alexander Torshin, who was Boutina's like sort of colleague and I think handler, basically. So do we know that guy, though? Like, have we seen him around or is he going to be like one of these faces that like, well, who the hell is that guy? I'm sure if you look at photos, he'll probably pop up. Yeah.

And I think. But was he in the news before this? Torshin? Yeah. Alexander Torshin. Not Torshin. Paul Erickson. Yeah. Erickson. No. Torshin? Yeah, Alexander Torshin is our – Well, not Torshin. Paul Erickson? Yeah, Erickson.

No, Torshin we know, right? Yeah, maybe in like more detailed accounts of things, but this is more like – this is him sort of really popping up, at least for me. Yeah. Yeah, so Alexander Torshin is former member of the Russian parliament and was – yeah, he has a lot of connections to the NRA. And he has a lot of connections to the NRA. That's, I think, his biggest connection is him being the connective tissue between the NRA and Russia. Got it. Yeah.

Breitbart and Drudge are both down right now with 502 errors. What does that mean, do you think? I have no idea. Yeah. ESPN is not down. Breitbart and Drudge. What's their take on this? What's Trey Wingo have to say? Yeah, what Drudge. What's their take on this? What's Trey Winko have to say? What is Trey Winko's take on this?

But yeah, the thing about this that's going to be a little bit spicier than most, you know, because obviously there are like 23 or 26 Russians that are indicted in general. She's the only one who's been arrested in country. She's here. She's arrested. only one who's been arrested in country. She's arrested. So that means she's going to have to go to trial and more tea will have to be spilled during her

the course of this trial. By the way, Trump says he misspoke and meant to say I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Russia behind the election. Oh, get the fuck out of here. No, he didn't. Really? That is breaking news on the top of CNN.

Literally breaking news is nuh-uh. Right. I told you. See, remember when I said eventually the rhetoric is going to get to the point where people are going to be saying nuh-uh. And, dude, I meant to say. That's amazing. I did not mean to. So this makes me wonder, so is everybody rushing to Drudge and Breitbart because they're like,

well, what the fuck are they going to say now? Or did Drudge and Breitbart just take down their sites because they're just like, okay, we need to do damage control and figure out a take on this. I also believe that they just have terrible IT people. Oh, they definitely do. They're just susceptible to five-year-old. Yeah. But anyway, CNN, not down.

ESPN, not down. They're just susceptible to five-way. Yeah. But anyway, CNN, not down. ESPN, not down. They have a hot take. Trey Wingo says collusion. Collusion ain't no illusion. Uh-huh. Collusion, then the other side of the pillow. Breitbart and Drudge are both down. So who the fuck knows why that's happening.

All right, guys. We could talk a little bit about why the P-tape is not as far-fetched as we thought, but I think that's pretty evident to everybody. I think a few points to point out. Okay, let's talk about those points. Vladimir Putin, that was how he came to power, right? Remember, he found a P-tape. There was a prosecutor that was investigating Boris Yeltsin and then was blackmailed into resigning with a video of him in, quote,

in bed with prostitutes. Yes. And then it's rumored that Vladimir Putin is the guy who delivered the tape to the TV station. Yes. And then after that, that's when Boris Yeltsin's like, you are now the prime minister

and eventually will be my, the heir apparent, basically. So to get Yeltsin to name him his successor, he saved Yeltsin by blackmailing by getting on the prosecutor yeah right and so they've been doing this for a while yes even since before world war ii yeah and they knew that like if we didn't have compromet then we would generate it and they put people in weird situations to be observed to have have pictures taken of them in bed with women seems to be like their go-to move. Yes. Prostitutes.

Yeah. Or sex workers, Jack. Or sex workers, sorry. Sex workers, Jack. And yeah. And, you know, this is just sort of how this kind of works. And yeah, again, now that we look at sort of the clear, odd power dynamic between Trump and Putin, that I think we can believe that.

But my one thing about the P-Tape is I don't even think even if it does come out, it will do shit. Because it's sort of like Dr. Dre's Detox album. We've been hearing about this motherfucking album for, what, 20 years? Right. Okay. Oh, shit, this is from Detox. This is new shit. And we're like, yo, where's it at?

Where's it at? A lot of hip-hop fans are waiting for this album. If Detox ever comes out, people are going to be like, nah, it at where's it at a lot of hip-hop fans are waiting for this album if detox ever comes out people are gonna be like man all right whatever i've been preparing for it for 20 years he released an album that was like really well produced yeah the uh compton album and people were just like yeah it's not detox yeah exactly and with the p-tape we've already been sort of inocular we're like oh man the p-tape is that p-tape right people have already began the speculating that i feel like if it does come out, people already sort of have braced themselves for the existence of this thing

versus if we didn't know about the P-Tape. And just imagine if we didn't know anything about the P-Tape and then the P-Tape dropped. That's going to have more of a jarring effect. But I don't know. I think it'll still be a big deal. But will it be the big deal? He was just up there with Putin being like, yeah, hey, whatever my boss says, I'm cool with. But didn't you hear what I said?

He said he meant to say the other of that. He said it on the opposite day. I see. And then do you think that's what now the GOP are like, oh, thank God, now we can just say it. No, he meant to say that. He misspoke. And they're all going to repeat that. I think the way you heard the president today, like Sarah Sanders is going to say that. He misspoke. And they're all going to repeat that. Well, I think the way you heard the president today,

like Sarah Sanders is going to say that. I think it was very clear our president said that he misspoke, and then they're all going to go, okay, I'll report that. Yeah, then they'll fall back to the talking point. He's been the toughest on Russia than anybody before. Uh-huh. All right, guys, we're going to take another quick break. We'll be right back.

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And Miles, the World Cup is over. Yes, yes. There it is. Whoa. World Cup day. Guys, please take this in one last time. Woo. Feeling like I'm in a Euro discotheque or whatever the kids call it.

Yes. That's what they call it. The World Cup is over. And, you know, France added another star to their crest. And, you know, before we get into that, like, we don't have to get into that. It was a great game. It was a thrilling match. But one thing that I just do want to come out

and point out is that there's a group of UK economists who have now sort of quantified the effect of sports on our happiness. So the University of Sussex economists, Peter Dalton and George McCarran, they calculated that the happiness that fans feel when their team wins is outweighed by a factor of two by the sadness that strikes when their team loses. And then this article goes on to say, which means, assuming roughly an equal number of fans on both sides,

the World Cup final made the world less happy than it was the day before. Yeah. I guess if we're just going off, because intensity is very intense if anyone who watches sports. So to prove this, the researchers analyzed data from an app that pinged like 32,000 people several times a day like to ask them how happy they felt and where they were and what they were doing and who they were with. And then they could also figure out if they were a stadium. And they also coupled this with like years worth of data on football, soccer matches in the UK. And they found, when you look at these graphs, it's very clear that people, when they're winning,

they're buzzing. Not ecstatic from pure physical intimacy, but it's around the level of watching a good movie or listening to a good album. It boosted their mood. Whereas other people were very down in the dumps. And for a long time, even after the match, they even go on to show that even, well, like when you're at the stadium, it's even more intense.

Like the euphoria is even more intense and the fucking sadness is even more intense when you're there witnessing it in person. And it sort of asks you like, why do we keep doing this to ourselves? And it's just because we have a bad time of gauging reality and adjusting for that. And we just sort of stay optimistic with sports to be like, maybe this will be the time that delivers it. Because a few people who are doing the study, they're like, a guy was a Newcastle United fan. And he was like, I felt sadness probably more than most sports fans. Because we've had some epic failures.

We've been relegated. We've been promoted. We've had ups and downs. But it's just still this loyalty thing of being like, maybe this will be our day. And, you know, that's kind of what sports gives us. And it's simplifying, right? I mean, it's, boredom is, like, an existentially very difficult thing to experience, because then you get around to thinking about existential issues and, like, the fact that you're going

to die eventually in sports. And, like winning it simplifies things it gives you something to focus on i think it's the same thing as like scary movies a lot of people pay a lot of money to go see scary movies and have themselves made to feel worse but it gives you something else to focus on it's like a very intense distraction. You know, I'll say that about when you said, like, leaving the stadium depressed. In 1993, I was at a Chicago White Sox game against the Blue Jays where they lost in the playoffs, and that was the one that then the Blue Jays went on to win. The Blue Jays went on to win the World Series.

And I just remember when they, you know, they were losing, but then when that final out came and it was over, like, I don't know if I ever, I mean, I've been depressed, but that was like just 40,000 people walking to their cars. It's like, okay. Yeah, melting. Well, we were close, but that was all right. I mean, yeah.

But then also then to flip it around, I was at the – when the White Sox won the playoffs against the Angels to go into the World Series, the complete opposite. Even though it happened at Angel Stadium, the Big A, all the Sox fans just elated, and then we had to watch all the sad Angels fans leave. So it was kind of a weird, you know, you don't want to get in a fistfight with anybody. Especially when you watch that documentary about Steve Bartman,

when he fucked that up for the Cubs, and the fucking rage. He didn't fuck it up for the Cubs! I mean, not that he did, but, you know, like that people chose to scapegoat him. I know they did. And how he became, even in the stadium, how you could just see that anger just go, like, focus on him. Yeah. Is there like, oh, shit.

Like, this really is a very pronounced sensation for sports fans. And, yeah, it's a shame because when you looked, you thought this guy was, I don't even know what to compare it to. Do you remember just the image of him sitting there right after it happened and he's just kind of looking down? It's like, oh, this guy's life is ruined. Yeah. And everybody's ignoring the fact that the next play, the shortstop,

I think it was Gonzalez. Is that right? Who cares? He was the guy that had the error that really cost the game. Right. But everybody was so focused on that poor guy. Yeah. And, I mean, when you talk to former athletes, they all say the losses are what stick with you, not the wins.

The wins are, like, great, but the losses. And, like, even look at Michael Jordan. Like, Michael Jordan, at the end of his career, when he's being inducted into the Hall of Fame, he's still like pissed off and has a chip on his shoulder. He had the best career in the history of sports. He like went out on top and he still managed to be like, this guy never said I could do it. Look at him. Right.

What a fucking jerk. I'm the best. But you can even equate that to stand up. Like, you know, when you have a bad show. Right. Nobody talks about a good show. Nobody goes, hey, Jesse Pardo, he destroyed and killed it. It's like, hey, Jesse Pardo, Jesus Christ.

That's the one that everybody talks about. So we also dwell on the negative. In this article, they also point to another study that American economists did of results from six NFL teams that showed a correlation between worse than expected losses and incidents of domestic

violence in the area. Oh my gosh. Yeah. This is a very, it's like, it's, it's crazy how much the sports can really affect people in both directions. I remember growing up,

my stepbrother was a big Chicago bears fan. And if they lost on that Sunday, he was a mess the entire week. Yeah. He would. And I was like, who gives a shit? It's a game.

Yeah. And then, you know, but it would, it would ruin like by Thursday, he might be coming out of it. Cause he was getting excited for the a game. Right, yeah. And then, you know, but it would ruin, like by Thursday, he might be coming out of it because he was getting excited for the next game. Yeah. Right.

And there are these studies that they've done on how sports victories and losses affect elections, like how people vote in local elections. And basically, people will be like 3% to 5 percent more likely to vote for an incumbent if their local team wins right because your local team winning just dumps a bunch of dopamine into your brain and you know you have a city full of people who are just slightly happier with like how their life is going and so they're like oh well yeah we'll stick with this guy yeah so i mean yeah i don't think it's an insignificant thing because, yeah, it might only make people like 10% to 15% more happy, but it makes an entire city full of people that much happier or, you know, 30% to 40% more depressed.

And who knows what that causes. Yeah. Well, Jimmy, it has been a pleasure having you here on The Daily Zeitgeist. You're very nice. I hope I didn't muck it up. You did not. No, no, no. My thought is I mucked it up. No, Jimmy. You nailed it,

man. You didn't fart it up. Don't you dare. You want me to leave on that? You want me to leave with that in my head? Where can people listen to you, find you, follow you? Well, at Jimmy Pardo on Twitter, of course, and then they could listen to the award-winning podcast Never Not Funny at nevernotfunny.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

People seem to enjoy it. Do you have a tweet that you've enjoyed or been enjoying? You know, when I was asked to do that, I went back to see what was the most recent one that I retweeted, and it was from Josh Comers, who was a writer on Conan years ago, and then he worked for Jimmy Fallon. He just wrote on the Bruce Willis roast. This is from 6-1, so I had to go back to June 1st for a tweet that I liked. Other than, like, you know, Rob Reiner or Stephen King, you know, taking our president down.

Right. So this was the Atari, he was, where he quoted the tweets, Atari co-founder Ted Dabney passes away at age 80. Josh Comer's joke was, try blowing on him. And that, to me, is just a perfect joke. So that's Josh Comer's. Follow him. Yeah, that's amazing.

Miles, how about you, man? Well, my tweet, I think everybody was loving this Mike Scully tweet from yesterday. It was a quote tweet where he said, I asked Japan if they attacked Pearl Harbor. They said no. What else can I do? President Franklin T. Reilly. That's great. Anyway, so where can you find me?

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We're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. Talk to you guys then. All right. Bye. Bye. Let us fall from pink roses And everything I thought I knew I suppose is a lie Everything dies and everything changes I was never one to have a green thumb And I'm green with the feel of the me that was young and unwise and unknowing The thorns are showing

The thorns are showing The thorns are showing The thorns are showing The thunder, shawty The thunder Shawty But you taste best when you're in full bloom Lay in my tea, my sweet love trophy You can't be killed if I rip from the roots Take it with grace, I'm coming, I'll chase

I'm young and I'll waste you away I'm young and I'll waste you away I'm young and I'll waste you away I'm young and I'll miss you away If you leave me I'll flood out your fire Why don't you love me like I love you Like I want you, like I need you Everything dies It's always too soon to lose to the moon

And you're freaking him out And you look like a fool And you're starting to know it You're gonna show it But you taste best when you're in full bloom Laying my teeth, my sweet love trophy You can't be killed if I rip from the roots Take it with grace, I'm thumbing out jades I'm young and I'll waste you away I'm young and I'll waste you away

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