The Daily Zeitgeist - Chris Crofton: Mob Ties 11.28.23

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 315, Episode 2 of Dirt Daily's iGeist Day, production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and it is tuesday november 28th 2023 it's the last day of november oh as far as no no that's not right i don't know how many days are in november this had me we're coming to the end though folks aren't we we're coming to the end, though, folks. Aren't we? We're coming to the end. Yeah, we are. Just in general. 28th, 11-28, 23. You already know. Hey, everybody out there, call an Allen in your life because it's National Allen Day.

I guess you just want to shout out anybody with the name Allen. It's also Red Planet Day. I have a feeling that's about Mars because, yep, yep, I got that right. I know a little bit of something about space. That's what's coming after 2024. Hell, yeah. That's what it's about, yep. I got that right. That was coming after 2024. Hell yeah. That's what it's about, bro. It's also National French Toast Day and Day of Giving.

I'm giving Tuesday. It's Giving Tuesday. Make sure you give back. It is Giving Tuesday, isn't it? Yeah. That was like a tweet you liked I remember last year. It's Giving Tuesday. Anyway, it's Giving Tuesdayuesdays yeah anyway it's

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I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. It's Miles Gray, a.k.a. be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray it's miles gray aka mr miles my blood type is gravy because man thanksgiving gravy stuffing i need to go see a doctor i mean yeah it's uh miles of gravy piles of gravy exactly that's right I don't know if you can pile it, but hey, we'll work with it. We'll work. Hey, when the gravy's good, you can pile it. Yeah.

When it's been in the refrigerator for a little bit, you can use it, an ice cream scoop on it. That's when it's good. You can do the little canal thing with the spoon technique, like in the bear. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. When he's learning, when he goes to Denmark and shit. Yeah, with the gravy. Anyway. I miss the Denmark You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. When he goes to Denmark and shit. Yeah, with the gravy.

Anyway. I missed the Denmark episodes at the end of season one, right? No, I think two. No, no, no. It's in two. It's in two? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I missed that episode.

With like Will Poulter plays like the British dude. Anyway, yeah. I skip around. Yeah, that's good. I skip around. I skip around. Baha good i skip around i skip around miles it's time in our third season it's time to your butts everyone it's a hilarious stand-up comedian actor musician with a 7.6 rated album on pitchfork oh yeah you can listen to his podcast

cold brew got me like uh you can read his book the advice king anthology available now anywhere fine books are sold get it poetry window is open motherfuckers it's chris motherfucking croft hey what's up oh my god that that rating i love how the rating for pitchfork keeps getting higher real one he's got a classic like A 10.0 classic. An 11. 11.3 from Pitchfork. Yeah, so I just keep, yeah, you keep doing what you're doing, Jack. Thank you very much.

7.8 from Pitchfork. Stay on the phones. It feels right, though. 7.4, man, from a regular website, it'd be, you know, that'd be a 14 at Spin.com or whatever, if that still exists. Spin.com, maybe.

They're real stingy at Pitchfork, man. That review was like, this is the greatest album ever, and they gave it a 7.4. I mean, that's a 74. That's right. You get that on an essay in seventh grade, and you get in trouble well there's a harvard of music i'm not putting them down they're my daddy they are my daddy they liked

the andre album by the way they gave andre's flute music oh right man oh god eight point something i i like it too miles have we talked since it came out? No, no, no. How are you feeling? It's cool. I mean, it's like it's it's experimental music. I don't listen to a lot of it. I mean, it's interesting, but I don't I never put experimental on.

I'm like, you know what? Crack my knuckles and sit back. I'm getting some experimental right now. But it's cool yeah like the first song on the album is the first experimental music song i've ever had stuck in my head so that's all i'll say all the whole time i was listening to it i was like some if a producer is smart enough they should just be sampling this album and then putting andre acapellos over this that's what i was saying i was saying somebody's gonna somebody's gonna you know sample this turn it into the type of music I normally like.

Have you guys heard Ozzy Osbourne singing Looks Like We Made It? The song by him. It's not called Looks Like We Made It. That's Barry Manilow. The Shania Twain song, Still the One. Oh, you're still the one. Still the One. Have you heard the Ozzy Osbourne version of that?

They did with AI? I swear to God, it's good. It gave me fresh appreciation for that song. So anyway, they could do that with Andre 3000. Oh, that one's AI. In a way, I'm like, oh, Ozzy covered still the one. That sounds like maybe something Ozzy would do. But no, it's a fucking AI.

No, he's not well enough anymore. Yeah, you have the tonality these days. You give him a couple hundred bucks, he'd do that. Well, hold on. Now I gotta hear this. Oh, it's so good. It's so fucking good. It's actually good. The only time I've been thankful for AI.

Are we gonna get sued by Big Daddy AI? okay okay it's incredible it's like giving me it's like when someone covers a song and you like it again and uh that song used to be good but then it got overplayed and anyway so i like what i so put ozzy I'm on the flute album. Anyway, I think the flute album is fine, but I also am like annoyed by like young. I work with young people now because I work at like a vintage store and they're all like, this is my zone. And I'm like, yeah, your zone is like stoned and checked out. Like instead of punk rock, we get a further retreat. We're going into new age now?

Further retreat to the spot. I did not expect that the response to fascism would be new age music, but that's what's basically happened. It's one response, yeah. It's like stoned. It's connected to stoned, though, which is not good. Revolution is not

good. Weed is not the right drug for could you imagine though like that's the new thing you just see like just people in the streets now the flute brigade comes out and they're like oh shit yeah it's time it's time could be the new instrument of the revolution is it millennials or gen z they're always like i'm tired you know like i'm already tired like you know i mean because they're tired everyone with social media you know i mean yeah but even like gen z they're like 28 years old or whatever and they're like thank god it's flute music i can't take any more tell you one person revolution with a uh flute little guy by the name of the pied piper so yeah yeah that was a caffeine type flute that was a caffeinated

hyper caffeinated butterfly fluttering around the polar heads that we're trying to catch. It wasn't 60 BPM. That shit was like 180. That was back when the flute was like the electric guitar. That's right. Oh my god, do you see that dude shredding out in the streets? And also nothing else is happening.

That's a big thing that happened that year. What's the rowdiest instrument we've developed? I want to lead some kids over a cliff. I don't even know what he did or led the rats out of Sweden or whatever. Snakes out of Ireland, I believe. You got the rats out of Sweden, right? What am I going to do? I got to get rid of these rats.

What's our loudest instrument? The flute. The flute? Jesus. All right, give me one. Fuck. It's all we got. It's only been a few years. That's what we've come up Jesus. All right, give me one. Fuck. That's all we got. It's only been a few years.

That's what we've come up with. All right, Chris, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about. I mean, it's a Crofton episode. I don't know if we're going to talk about any of this shit. I'm much more mature. You are. I know.

That is not a complaint. We love a good Crofton. Since I ran for office, I've been a lot more on topic. Okay. All right. All know. That is not a complaint. We love a good cross-interpreter. Since I ran for office, I've been a lot more on topic. Yes. Okay. All right. All right. Yeah.

And you did hand us a PowerPoint. You handed us a PowerPoint. You forwarded us. A one sheet full of topics that you would like us to stick to. Yes. Me, me, me. Yeah, and you messed up by bringing up the pitchfork thing. Me, me me and me.

That's what it says. We're going to talk about people, how frequently kids these damn days are checking their damn phone. Dang. Everybody, not just kids. We're all, everybody's checking our phone during,

during sex and other times that we shouldn't be doing that. Talk about that. We might check in with private equity from a previous Tuesday episode. We are, of course, going to talk about Hall getting a restraining order against Oates. I feel like if I'm like ranking these in the order of like what we will get to, Hall getting restraining order against Oates is probably at the top of the list. Yeah, we need Chris list I need Chris Croft That's pretty incredible

That's like soup getting mad at nuts Or something But Daryl Hall He looks like an Ego maniac that guy I saw him in the supermarket In like 1985 He looked completely out of place

Because he was in his rock and roll Looking like Daryl hall like straight off a video buying like milk milk had like the black tights on and yeah maybe he was in town for some kind of event or something but he was like buying milk wearing like his rock and roll clothes and he looked ridiculous incredible i think people who like are larger than life personalities Like that should be forced to always Like have their look on Yeah I mean it should come with it Yeah like part of the

Yeah yeah yeah Like baseball caps pulled low over the eyes You know because you got to keep up the mystique Of this celebrity myth You know what I mean like they look like that all the time Yeah yeah and they hate it We might even talk about the squid game reality show all of that maybe none of that some of that but before we get to it chris crofton we do like to ask hello yes hello chris hello uh we like to

say hello toodles and also uh what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Well, it's become a tradition on here for me to tell you about weird stuff on the YouTube that I've been into lately because I'm still very much into YouTube. But I'm still not paying for the ad free. So I'm starting to lose it because they're really making the ads long. They're trying to break me. Wait, wait. I mean, look, ad blockers. Ad blockers. On YouTube? to break me. Wait, wait. Chris, you gotta... I mean, look. Ad blockers. Ad blockers.

On YouTube? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Chris. I don't know. There's ad blockers. What's ad blockers? Is that someone you hire? Yeah, yeah. You hire them. Look, you give me $60 a month. I'll make sure you get no ads, man. Trust me. No, but there's like... There are extensions that you put in a browser. I'll walk you through it later. Holy fuck.

Extensions in a browser? Do I have to write my congress fuck extensions in a browser do i have to write my congressman no no no you can do it all from the privacy of your own home that's all right so i'm a fool anyway i know i'm a fool i should just be paying paying for it but i anyway that's what's caused like this has been a huge thing because they're like some creators who are like i don't care if people are using ad blockers to watch my content like i don't want to i don't i don't want to prevent people from watching what i see and youtube has now been like fighting like the people who have ad blockers in their browsers or to be like we've suspecting that you like we can tell you're using an ad blocker if you do it three more times you'll get like you can't use your account anymore okay and it's caused like what's great though is like it just made the

like ad blocking movement even more aggressive. We're like now they're like, oh, that's how you want to play. Then we're like, we're going to make sure our shit's real tight. So now you can't sense even when we're using ad blockers. Wow. That's great. I love that. OK, so I'm like one of these guys that's just stuck because I'm old, you know, that I'm like, oh, no way around this.

I got to watch 30 seconds of ads for capital one or whatever right and then then then you can watch your mother and then i get to watch my mind exploring video yeah so i'm stuck up but they've also been trying to break me i really feel like they've like this guy's been going for a long time and it's time to amp it up we're gonna make these ads really long you know because for a while it was like you can skip the ads you know they're like skip ads like that button doesn't even come up for any for me anymore so they're trying to get me to pay but i'm standing i think they've got you like targeted and some they're like this this is the one guy who watches this is all insane this is like i like the idea that they're personally attacking me like they're

keeping track of like we're gonna get this guy to pay and i'm like no you're not i'll watch ads i'll watch them i don't care they see their guy to pay and i'm like no you're not i'll watch ads i'll watch them i don't care they see their earnings going down and they're like what's crofton up to yeah i'm not paying i mean that's what i'm doing over here so i i found a couple things that were really good one is mob facts um like what like stats, all caps. It's an account called mob facts. M O B F A X. And a lot of it's a lot of it's just like, like old TV shows or like, it's not TV shows. It's always like news, like old news reports about the mob or biker gangs and stuff.

Oh, whoa. But there's also a lot of Broll that they put up unedited from like news reports from 1982 from like daytona beach about biker gangs where it's just them filming them in their clubhouse just like with no narration or anything you're just basically hanging out in a biker clubhouse in daytona in 1982 you know and i've talked to i know miles has talked we've talked about the pay phones like i don't know if we like that kind of thing where i was a long time ago i said i was i used to search on youtube like for like wild sound from a diner 1962 you know and like there's not there's none and and anyway it turns out like anyway, it doesn't matter. You can hang out at a biker bar in real time on these things.

Like it's just like tons of B-roll of just like of Daytona in 1982 or like Tampa or or or even Charlotte, North Carolina. Like everywhere was like rural back then. So like Charlotte, North Carolina looked like like the mob the first to like do spring break is that like it sounds very very much like i don't know why they focus on broward county or whatever but that was one of the ones i watched it's like three hours of b-roll unedited footage of bikers hanging out yeah this one's like Florida Part One. It's a half hour. That's the one I watched. That's the good one.

There's like three episodes of it. And so, is someone just like aggregating old news footage? Oh, this is my favorite episode. It's just fucking... It's local news. Some of it has narration Not all

Wow Can they hear this on the show? Yeah yeah oh they can Oh is this them in their club now? This is just silent film Jesus look at their Nazi regard Yeah so we're really into Iron Crosses. Okay, oh boy.

So this is where you like to hang out, huh? Oh yeah, I'm not endorsing. This is not any way endorsing the politics of 1982 outlaws. Outlaw motorcycle gang in Florida. I just think it's interesting to see people hanging out in the bar before there were phones. Right, right. No, seriously. And it's really boring. It No, it's really boring.

It turns out it's really boring. All people did was tackle each other. Oh really? There's people. So when they're hanging out in the bar, they're tackling one another. Yeah. There's one guy on the pay phone already,

so they can't use the pay phone. And then, and there's no other phones. So they're playing pool. And then, then usually they just get drunk and then they just start tackling each other. So I will say that,

you know, for all the trouble phones have caused, we are sort of living in a better time for like, you know, how I, you know, there's an upside to, we can read a Wikipedia about Alexander Graham bell instead of tackling our

friend onion. Yeah. At the clubhouse or whatever. I mean, that's all they do at a certain point. They just get so drunk. They start just helping each Onion at the clubhouse. I mean, that's all they do. At a certain point, they just get so drunk, they start just helping each other around the bar room. They're like, oh, get Onion.

He fell down. Oh, my God. Oh, all right. Oh, Animal. They're all named things. Ducky. Ducky. Scallion Boy or whatever.

Cricket. Good form. Good form. Hey, Ratman. Ratman. Ratman. Scallion Boy! Larry got hit by a dart!

They're all just causing their own trouble. They're trying to fight themselves. Where'd you come from? They're looking in a mirror. It's like that kind of... It's like head-butting it. It definitely doesn't look as interesting as you imagine. It must have been much harder to be sober back then. Because there's just nothing to do, right?

Yeah. You just had to get really serious about seeing how many of your friends you could cram into a phone booth. Right. Wasn't that one of the hobbies? One of the other hobbies besides just getting drunk at noon? That's way back, yeah. Yeah, it was like kids seeing how many people they could cram into a phone booth yeah oh definitely and you get you

get yeah swallowing goldfish or whatever also it's you can really get a sense of how unsafe the world was back then for sure yeah you know i mean there was just one phone and somebody was usually on it and if you couldn't get to it. Yeah. And everyone was, you could just assume that everybody you encountered was drunk. Like for it throughout the day, for the most part, I feel like. If they weren't drunk, they were all, their whole head and body was full of leaded gasoline. Which I think is actually a secret reason why America has gone to hell is

because for like, well, I think maybe every nation, but you know, I think that we all were like, we must be stupid and we're not like going to analyze ourselves well because we are, we're,

we're already, you know what I mean? Like we already got poisoned by lead. So how can people who are poisoned by lead assume that they're not doing that bad you know what i mean like like you can't assess yourself if you've already been poisoned by like oh well i think we had leaded gasoline in the air for like 40 years but i don't think it had much of an impact meanwhile everything's gone crazy but they're like of course the person who's poisoned by lead is gonna say it didn't have much of an impact like an alcoholic saying they're not

an alcoholic yeah which is one of my favorite uh that norm mcdonald's story where he says he got drunk at the bar and it was like a second time ever getting drunk and he got put in a rehab he said he told him he wasn't an alcoholic yeah and uh and they said he said but uh the thing is that's what uh alcoholics say that's exactly so you just like can't get out yeah i mean there is the big lead crime hypothesis that's i don't know about this yeah basically says that you know there's been this massive drop off in crime throughout a lot of the world and it happens to coincide with the removal of lead from gasoline and every paint and yeah that's possible infant formula i feel like it seemed like it was in everything people aren't yeah it was in

everything because it was like coming out of everywhere you looked i mean all i remember a big part of my childhood was like car exhaust you know that doesn't exist anymore that was everywhere you went i mean you stood in parking lots getting lead straight in your young face yeah i mean everywhere you went blasted big yeah i mean that must have had an impact and now we these lead poisoned people do these studies that say nothing happened to us right and also in like the highest positions of power we look around the world yeah. We look around the world. Yeah, meanwhile, we look around the world,

and Mitch McConnell is shutting down and talking and stuff. It's not the gasoline. Someone from another galaxy is like, that's classic lead. Yeah. Look at these leaded fucking freaks. He grew up in Kentucky in the 1950s? Holy shit. That guy's like 90% lead.

He's mostly lead at this point point he actually thinks he's doing good things yeah the only people who are like still clinging to power who still have power and wealth in this country are all like the most the most lead poisoned human being like the coke brothers and shit and the coke brothers have been like hanging around like fucking fuel refinery they're like yeah i used to be the pencil, the designated pencil sharpener in class for every grade I was in. I would take all the lead pencils and grind them up right there and take big old whiffs of it. And you got like CTE. Just doing lines of pencil sharpening shavings.

Do you guys like the smell of gasoline? I'm sorry, what? Do you like the smell of gasoline? What do you mean? Like on some like motorhead type shit?head type shit like hey man just like when you're pumping gas yeah uh no i've already weighed in yes i i fucking love it miles exactly he's never heard of this which means he must huff i think this explains a lot about miles obviously huffs huffs gas because he's like i don't understand what you're talking about like I think in the early 80s, they still had lead in the gas. And I think I was huffing that shit as like a four-year-old.

Dude, I think I feel like because I know they started to phase it out in the 80s. And I feel like I have vivid memories of my mom specifically asking for unleaded gasoline. Yeah, that was a thing. Unleaded, please. Right. What are you? Drink decaf in the morning oh you're afraid about your little toddler back there that wasn't like a choice though that wasn't like a choice like you were vegetarian or something i was just according to what kind of car you had

i don't think you could use unleaded in a leaded gas car could you oh is that right i just i don't remember like hearing that specificity i don't think it was like i don't think it was like maga person was like i I'll take lead. And your car doesn't take lead. Well, that engine not destroy my fucking car. Then I don't give a shit. That's the big thing that that's why they added the lead to the gasoline was

to cure engine knock. And are you serious? That was like when, when cars first started, they would like be running smoothly for five minutes and then the engine would just start being like bang bang bang and everybody in the car be like what the fuck it just happened and they could never like figure it out and then they added lead and then there was that famous inventor who was like this is nothing it's going everybody's

gonna be safe look i'm going to like huff it or this guy's gonna huff it at this press conference and like the guy died yeah oh boy so what a time yeah so that's mob facts if you want to watch like i really do i mean like a bunch of it's like mob trials like it's just like like really long takes of mob mob trials like often just like you know the stuff they had footage that footage they had laying around the newsroom from like or you know in the archives of local news stations but i love that shit i love that too because it that's like the most like you're really transported to another time when you have like you can see the grain of like the video and like the audio quality and just like the shitty just everything and it's like

the opening arguments have began and john gaudy's like genovese crime family that's what it is and then there's just like the stuff they shot in the hallway with like no commentary on it yeah people like walking b-roll yeah people in slacks going out for a smoke yeah going out to smoke advantage going out to have an affair oh yeah yeah whatever horrible shit you did then because all you had to do is go like one town over and no one know smoke a pack of cigarettes and have an affair have a second family put a wig on and go one block over and start a new life and unless you ran like back back then were they just showing like these like shot up mobsters like when they would

like a hit like like one of these guys got fucking snuffed out because like i feel like in so many mob documentaries there would be moments they would cut to like footage from the 80s and like oh shit that guy's yeah it's just a guy in a suit with his ass in the air on the pavement they show that one particularly that's paul castellano the one who got a fucking shot on the pavement for some reason it's okay to show they show that one particularly that's paul castellano the one who got a fucking shot on the on the on the patio and he's tangled up on the tablecloth with a cigar between his teeth or whatever between yeah that's a good picture but i don't know why they show that that picture right and that's that's tonight's news all right here's with the weather i guess they hated it was like when lenny bruce died and they they put his his dead body all over the news because the cops hated him.

Yeah, I may have been like one of those things where they're just like we're releasing this just because we hate this guy so much. But OK, so mob facts is one thing. Then there's this other channel I've been watching called Below. Wait, let's say let's take a quick break. So we're getting we're getting more search history from Chris Croft. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. This is the Crofton Expert episode. Okay, well, I'll just go quick on this one. It's not that interesting. No, no. You have an expertise in obscure YouTube videos. Well, this one is not that obscure because the numbers on MobVax, I think, are pretty low as far as views.

Have you guys heard of Vevo? V-E-V-O. They have a lot of music videos. A tremendous number of ads on there, though. There's no way to block them you just have to watch them so the other one is this this channel called below the plains below the plains where it's this guy named tom ask jim who goes to fields in north dakota or like old properties he finds old properties from old maps from the 19th century and he finds out where there

used to be a saloon and then he looks around the yard because usually the saloon's like long gone like the saloon right this is like late night late 1800s north dakota so like all that got well i don't know what the fuck that's supposed to mean like everybody knows you got a picture this this is late everyone knows it's late 1800s north dakota so those buildings aren't going to be around anymore i have no idea what that means but he just shows up to a field, essentially. Yeah, and he's like, there's a depression there, and there's a depression there. And that could be like an outhouse pit or a garbage pit. But he's looking at basically what we or you would see as a field.

And then he goes over and he starts poking it with a big prod, and he feels glass in the ground. And then he just digs, and then there's like 600 bottles in the ground and then he just digs and then there's like 600 bottles in the ground and every show he just pulls out so many fucking bottles and look how many views he has on his goddamn channel he has like 800 000 views on some of these things the wild thing is like to your point like the thumbnails for the videos are literally a picture of like well like again we'll be like okay it's some fucking field but then there's like an arrow where there's like a, like a weird small patch of grass. And it's like buried beside the tracks, hundreds of rare bottles. And it's all outhouse pits.

And he also like digs in these outhouse pits. And finally he said something I've always wondered. They still stink. I was wondering if that, like, you know what I mean? Like I was wondering, like, they don't usually mention it but he said and they show there's lime in some layers because that's they threw lime on the on the outhouse contents you know right you know 142 year old map found in an old library led us to an absolute jackpot he overdoes the jackpot shit a little bit but he anyways he's a fucking wizard the guy is and and he has like a team someone someone did no this guy is digging you get the

impression now that if you just go out in your yard and just dig you're gonna find hundreds of bottles like the whole earth is made of bottles if you like this guy picks the places obviously they're not the whole earth isn't made of bottles but that's what this guy makes it look like. He'll just be like, I think there's some bottles here. And then next thing you know, he, he is down six feet and there's like a hundred bottles on the ground.

And they're all like from anyway. And he knows what they all are. And they're all tooled top. He says tooled top. Now, if you wanted to have a drinking game, say you were really into below the planes, the man says tooled top so much that it can drive you

bananas what is the old top what's yeah well there's you know let us christians have this look on his face when i have that like oh oh yeah it was like one of those where do i oh you got a heavy lead voice You don't even know what a tool top is, huh? Never heard of Tom Ask Jem? My goodness. So yeah, Tom Ask Jem says tool top because tool top means the hand-blown bottle or like a blown, like I don't even, they

used to blow bottles, you know. Bottles. They used to blow glass. Yeah. Up to like the turn of the century. I know a glass blower. Yeah. Okay. Up until like, so like it's machine made or it's a tool top and a tool top means they cut the lip with a tool or there's a blob top which is an older kind of bottle where they just applied the top it's or you call it a blob top or an applied top or it's like they add the top after it's done because they didn't know how to do

a better top so it's like he's he knows every bottle he's like oh this is a fucking flapjack style you know cosmetics bottle from 1910 and he pulls them out one after the other like are these valuable like when he says a jackpot is it like a jackpot for him yes her bottle no they're bottle freaks out there that he he's found some bottles in north dakota where it's like the only he finds the only example of this certain kind of soda. Oh, wow. Soda bottles are really valuable. Like soda water.

Like back then, everybody drank soda water, maybe because the water was bad. Because this was like North Dakota in the late 1800s was like nowheresville. Yeah. I mean, it probably still is, but it really was back then. That's like, what's it called the show on hbo deadwood right like isn't that the dakotas yeah dakota territory 1800s yeah so he's out there a lot and that's where he does a lot of his hunting i mean it's it's kind of incredible it does get repetitive because he finds so many bottles and he knows what they are so fast

so he's just like that's another that's another macedo style liquor flask that's a shoe fly liquor flask with a with a with a double cut bottom or whatever you know he just keeps going and then he always says tool top tool top tool top tool top is he like with the with these finds like when a jack like is he kind of motivated by the monetary gains of finding this stuff and does he and is he like doing well? If he's constantly digging this shit up, he must have a lot of money, right? He's America's youngest billionaire.

He's a billionaire the old fashioned way. Bottles. So he the other billionaires don't take him seriously. Hello, it's nice to meet you, Elon. We're the same. Yeah.

You and me, we're the same. Hey, hey, you want to dig in one of my fields, loser? And he's like, yeah, I guess. I can't find anything except mud. You're a rascal, Ashton. There's just something cool about a guy who looks at our world and sees music. our world and like sees music, you know, like see,

like it is just like, Oh, I see, I see the secret code. I see the history of this landscape. It's incredible. Just underneath, just,

just below the surface. And I bet everybody's digging up their mom's yard because of this guy. Yeah. Everybody's finding like, Oh, there's a depression right there. And then they dig it up and it's like the, it's probably like,

you know, the main power grid or whatever, you know? Yeah. All right. You know, it's like the, the, where the above ground pool used to up and it's like the it's probably like you know the a pet the main power grid or whatever you know yeah all right you know it's like the where the above ground pool used to be and there's nothing down there at all you know oh there's an impression in the ground yeah that's from our old above ground pool no it isn't mom shut up i'm gonna dig there mom you don't even see below the planes there's bottles everywhere this guy just like i'm watching a clip this guy was like had like a treasure, and then it's like a hard cut, and he's like pulling out like an immaculate ceramic bowl from the dirt. Yeah, no, it's insane.

What the fuck is this? It's insane, and it makes you want to dig everywhere. But he was a master of figuring out where to dig. And this person who runs his channel, because he has like a production team. Someone obviously knew this guy and said, okay, you're doing this. Tool top top knife edge coffin style liquor flask just pulled it circa 1880 so he's just like and he old hat to him if i found one of those i would i would die happy you know what i mean if i found one whatever you

said coffin style he's always talking about that coffin style liquor flask if i found one of those oh he just found a tool top drugstore bottle excelsior drugstore yankton oh yeah he's so sick of drugstore bottles it makes him angry you can tell he's a drugstore bottle, Excelsior drugstore. Oh, yeah. He's so sick of drugstore bottles. It makes him angry. You can tell. Drugstore bottle. No embossing. Fucking drugstore bottle. He gets really mad when it's not embossed.

He's like, sometimes he goes, that should be embossed. That's the right period for it to be embossed. And is it always like loose in the dirt? Or is he like finding like a room down there? No, he's just like just using like a trowel and kind of being like, oh, here's a little something here. Here's a little buddy. He's usually finding an outhouse pit. He's usually finding it, and he calls the use layer,

and the use layer of the outhouse pit means shit. And he's always talking about, we know we're in an outhouse pit because there's undigested seeds all over the place. He always says that, too. That's gross. But then he said one time he said it stank like you could tell this is an outhouse pit which i was wondering because he's like this brown stuff

is human waste and i also wondered that because i thought maybe it was a kind of soil or something he's like that's human waste so he's like yeah and i got hepatitis from the last jackpot i hit so that was fun yeah he the most exciting thing that happened was some old wine bottle from like 1900 still had fermented wine in it or like still had a little bit of product left in it so when he took the bottle out of the soil it exploded in his face because the pressure had been kept in the so he got old wine yeah he got old wine in his eye from like the last person who drank it was like it also just like makes me realize like how, how little

I understand about the passage of time. You know, like you're like, okay, so there was a saloon there. And then what, like the building probably gets raised. And then like, do they just leave the, like, there's like, all right, throw some dirt on top of what used to be here, basically. Like there was no,

like there's no like real excavation way to be like, you got to clear all this crap. It's just more like, cause that's considered junk. Like they won't even do it. Like they find like the remains of a native American village and shit. And they just want to cover it up because they just want to get on with building.

Yeah. It was next. One of the greatest like American archeological sites, Cahokia mound in St. Louis. Like they discovered it as they were turning it like it it's like as impressive as like the pyramids in egypt it was like wild it had like all these different layers of like multi-colored earth and they were in the process of turning it

into a parking lot when somebody stopped them and was like actually this is it's like maybe one of the most impressive structures we've seen on this continent like they imported like red clay from the fucking mississippi valley like from from like louisiana all the way up here just to like make this giant mound yeah so when they pave like a highway and they usually push back really hard against any archaeologists to get these projects done they they they even have you know they'll destroy sites just because they want to keep the project on schedule so you know it's very hard so bottles this is considered just trash but but what's neat about it is that this guy's finding you know bottles that say dakota territory on them and i guess people collect these so he's found a couple bottles where he said out loud like this is worth

sixteen thousand dollars most of the time he doesn't talk about price but so he's making money off that but the real genius is the person genius i mean uh for the real the smart guys the guy has it says produced by that channel they're making a fortune off that channel some of those almost all those things have 200 000 views on them and some of them 800,000 and so i think just someone said like man tom we got to get you on film doing this this is insane you know and um he said he's on camera he said he's dug thousands of outhouse pits and then in his spare time he restores like carriages from the 19th century he's some kind of a i mean i think tom asked jem is some kind of 19th century fucking freak he's like a multi he's like restores old stoves like

he had a stove they showed him in his warehouse i found in a separate video because i was poking around looking for tom asked jem videos like on its own to see if they had any background on this guy and they showed him in his like he's like i'm not taking bottles right now because i forget why he said like i hurt my knee or something and he's like i'm hanging around the warehouse working on this other project which is to restore this late 19th century stove and he's like getting a stove back to mint condition like the way people restore cars yeah can you imagine what kind of weirdo you gotta be what if he's just a time traveler from like back then yeah i used to shit right here oh man i bet a lot of corn that day i remember that one i bet he's i bet he's single though oh yeah imagine being his girlfriend oh Just digging around. Oh, my God. You're restoring a stove?

Yeah. Holy fuck. What are you, an idiot? I bet there's a person out there for him. I bet. No, he probably, I mean, he's probably a rock star, though. Yeah. Stove restoration groupies.

Oh, well, like the hottest bottle collector definitely got her eye on him. When you hear about the numbers, I'd be like, holy shit. Even just to get the stuff. Yeah. If you're like the hottest bottle collector you're gonna want to hang with him because he's just gonna you could probably slip a sixteen thousand dollar soda bottle into your pocket when he's not looking all right let's take one more break and we'll come back and hear either an overrated or an underrated we'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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And we're back. We're back. Just one more thing about that last segment. Don't, seriously, don't do the drinking game tool top if you that guy will drive you insane saying tool top i mean that you know you would die i mean tool top tool top you will kill drugstore bottle drugstore bottle drugstore bottle drugstore bottle yeah i said tool top tool top tools i mean unbelievable my friend said i recommended the channel or my friend was watching it separately or something like because i have friends that like are into the same kind of stuff and she was like have you seen this and i was like yeah i watch it all the time she's like man that guy imagine i think she might have said

like imagine a drinking game where you said every time he says tool top you just die yeah so i'm not the only one i mean everyone who watches that channel is like i kind of wish you would just if it is a tool top you just put it to the side and not say it. Yeah. Because we're assuming it is a tool. We know. Yeah. Why don't you say when it's not a tool top? How about that?

Only when it's not. That's like, that's what I would say in the comments. I'll get in the comments. Like the guy rolling. Oh, come on. Ask Jim another. If you said tool top fucking 43 times. Yes.

Please respond. Please respond. Like my phone number. You know tool top fucking 43 times in two minutes. Please respond. Please respond. They put like my phone number. You know like the old guy in the YouTube comments. Please respond. I've read left 50 of these messages. Here's my phone number again. What's the matter with you? Please. We need to discuss this urgently. I also want to talk to you about my divorce.

You seem like you might know something about divorce. It's like Stan but even sadder. Do you like Crosby, Stills, and Nash? Anyway, I'm getting off topic. Please stop saying tool top so much, but also call me up. Chris, what's something you think is overrated or underrated? Okay, underrated real quick. Just a flat-out recommendation because I want to get to some stuff.

I mean, I want to get you guys to get to some stuff. Underrated, this great documentary about a jazz trumpeter on the criterion channel right now but i'm sure you can rent it from amazon or whatever but it's called i called him morgan and it's about jazz trumpeter lee morgan and first of all it's an absolutely beautifully made documentary beautiful like i mean like like just to watch like visually spectacular and then the story is unbelievable it's about a trumpet player who became a junkie ended up on the street was rehabilitated by this woman and then this humongous twist sort of not a twist because it's a real

story but like you know something unexpected happens wow but it's just a beautiful documentary and i watched it again last night and i probably watched this probably the third time I've watched it. So that's on there. Last time you recommended a documentary all the beauty and the bloodshed was one of my favorite things. I'm glad. I'm glad. I called it Morgan is so beautiful

and it's based on this guy who met this woman who was taking a class from him at like a community college in Mississippi or Southolina or somewhere and she was like in her 50s or something and he just became friends with her and asked her what her history was and she just told him the story and he was like what you know like can i record you saying can i interview you and he had an audio cassette and this whole documentary And he had an audio cassette

and this whole documentary is based around this audio cassette of this interview he got with this woman. And if he hadn't taken the time to ask her where she came from, because I think it was like a, maybe it was a musical appreciation class or something at a community college. I'm probably getting that wrong, but it was something where he was like, oh, what makes you interested in jazz or something? And then she told him this story. And Lee Morgan's music's incredible, too. And also just getting into how sad it is that the internet has shattered culture to the point where there's no more little ecosystems that exist. Jazz was such a fucking awesome in the 50s and 60s, like 40s, 50s, 60s, 30s, whatever. awesome yeah in the 50s and 60s like 40s 50s 60s 30s whatever just like a place you know where i don't it's just an amazing place where where where you know yeah i don't know it's

just yeah avant-garde musical exploration was like a lot of that was really happening like yeah run by african-americans like fucking you know like like an unbelievable like a subculture like cultures different cultures like you know yeah in the same country or i mean it doesn't matter you'll get it from the from the documentary it's a beautiful documentary so then the other little like local community colleges and city colleges yeah and that professor a little class there and the professor just said hey man what you're an older lady what are you doing taking this class or whatever she's like well this happened and he's like oh my god and then he has this one dusty cassette and they show him in his house the professor guy with dreadlocks and stuff and his he has the dustiest boombox it made me like i was like my god this makes me feel better

about how dusty my shit is. I mean, he had the dustiest tape and the dustiest boom box I ever saw. And right. And like the only things that don't have dust on it are the play, pause, stop button and volume. And it's unbelievable.

Unbelievable. I mean, the thing was like coated in dust. So overrated, I was just going to say federal politics as opposed to local federal politics at this point is just like a full on distraction of of people just yelling at each other they're not even legislating so everything should be local everybody should be invested in local politics and state state politics and that's just a tie-in to like talking about i have this new thing on npr in nashville

which we can talk about later through the through the election i kind of ended up on an npr show a local npr show with a with my own like little feature called nashville confidential with chris crofton and it's on uh it's on twice a month on this uh daily show here in nashville called this is nashville but it's it's on npr you know So I'm like, yeah, I'm like reaching a lot of people. Yeah. So I did a whole one about my election that comes out tomorrow and it's 25 minutes long. So for 25 minutes, I'm going to be the only thing on national NPR.

Oh, wow. Which is pretty amazing. I mean, it's a million person sort of reach. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a big universal listeners. Radio is still real, man. Still reaching people. And I love hearing that hearing that chris but uh so where's our cut well you know um we can talk about that off the air some pale dude that's so wait so just new phone who is from when you were like obviously you were getting a lot of attention because you're so outspoken and of completely shattering the mold of like yeah no person pursuing office like that

like just by virtue of that they were like hey we would love to hear more from you is that kind of how it worked out well it was really through the book originally but when i came back to nashville i was a featured author at the southern festival of books which is what i used as like my sort of goal date to be back in Nashville from L.A. Because I was dragging my feet about just like fucking packing. Right. So I was like, I have to be back in Nashville by October 16th for this Southern Festival of Books, which I can only imagine what I had in my head that I was going to ride it on an elephant. Yeah.

Give the keys to the city or something. Instead, I spoke in a big palm. I spoke in an upstairs conference room at the library to like 11 people, two of which were my mom and my brother. All right. It's actually a pretty good turnout. Yeah, it was like, I forgot it's like books. So you know what's going to come. So unless you're like Oprah or whatever.

But after it was over, I met this woman who ran the show. This is Nashville, which is this new, it's like the flagship. They're trying to basically make a show in Nashville that would maybe even be picked up nationally. It's called This Is Nashville. It's a live five day a week at noon talk show, call in show, having guests live. It's live. That's the main thing. It's like a live daily show. They fired the lady who originally got me involved in the show. She was the executive producer. So it was like this big thing. I was not a part of the show at that point. I had done one report for her. I ended up doing a report on Mule Day because I said to this woman, Andrea, she liked my book. So I said, hey, do you guys need a correspondent for the show that would do

stuff that's kind of odd, like Mule day or the catfish races in Paris, Tennessee, or like the bell witch cave. And she was like, I don't know what any of that is. Cause she had just come in to run that show from Kansas city. So I saw an opening. Cause I was like,

you're, this is a person from Kansas city. So she's not going to know this like national stuff. So she was nice enough to bring me on for mule day, which you guys can find i can i can share it somehow when i post the show on my on my instagram i'll put links to it or whatever but yeah yeah i've already promoted it on my show but it's me going to mule day and interviewing people with a with a you know just like a fucking zoom recorder what is mule day

it's a festival it's been going on since the 1840s in um in rural like an hour outside of nashville and it's just like a mule parade and like yeah people camp out all week and they have like cover bands and stuff got it you know it's just kind of a jamboree that i always read about when i lived here uh in the early 2000s and i wonder what it was about so anyway the new guy the guy who's in charge of the show now just said hey i love that m day thing. Would you like to do a regular thing? So I said, hell yeah. And, um, I think the election helped just in the sense that 13,000 votes meant I had an audience.

I think, you know, I think that was just sort of a, I don't think they maybe looked at it that cynically, but I mean, I think you could say my whole report tomorrow is about fascism and it's going to be on the fucking radio. Wow. And it's, it's very, very very because that's what i ran on but the thing is when i ran on it people loved that message i mean they were dying for it you know what i mean that's the thing is like if i just went to them i think if i hadn't run with this like oh i just want to talk to you talk about fascism for 25 minutes you know like who the, who the fuck are you? Yeah, they might say like, well, you know, but I had people thanking me for saying the things you talk about on the show all the time. Just like the billionaires have corrupted things to the point where if you are dealing with the definition of fascism, like the economic version of fascism is just private interest taking over the ostensibly public government. And, you know, we couldn't have that worse. Right. And that's why the federal

government is like such a joke. I mean, it's just like been everyone there has been paid to do nothing. I mean, just to jam stuff up. So there's just no way to even legislate. So then I realized, shit, I'm doing this report about why I ran for office. That's what the one that's coming out tomorrow is. And why I ran for office is because I looked at the roads in my neighborhood and I looked at the unhoused people in my neighborhood. And then I realized that they were giving, you know, like over a billion dollars in public money to the NFL to build a new stadium. And I was just like, this doesn't compute. You know what I mean? That was how it really started for me.

So I went and asked this guy i just parked my car i was like i'm gonna talk to this guy so i ran down there with this microphone they gave me this all-in-one microphone that has a uh what do you call it a sd card in the bottom of it it's like a standalone it levels itself it's called a yellow tech i don't know it's anyway it's just a one for me it's like you know old man journalist i mean it's like press one button and you don't know. For me, it's like old man journalist. I mean, it's like press one button and you don't have to do anything. And it's all in there. I mean, except for get someone to take the SD card out with a pair of

tweezers and whatever and put it in the feature dish or whatever happens to those SD cards after you take it out of these things. I have no idea. Yeah, whatever. And then you put it in. Yeah, you drop it in the federal mailbox. What kind of SD card is it? Tool top? Who knows? Yeah, it could be. I think it's a large. I think it's a large. Okay. Yeah, you drop it in the federal mailbox. What kind of SD card is it? Tool top? Who knows? Yeah, it could be.

I think it's a large. I think it's a large. Okay. Yeah, it's like a standard SuperDuper. It stands for SuperDuper, right? Yeah. Yeah. Standard SuperDuper card.

So I just, yeah, I send that straight to, I take it to either Photomat or. And I asked the kind guy there to help me, please. Here, yeah, I'd like to develop this SD card. Oh, geez. He's back. Yeah, the guy who has the audio files on the SD card. Yeah, I don't know. He doesn't have an email, he says.

So if you guys listen, I will send you guys the thing for tomorrow when it's out. Tomorrow being Friday or tomorrow being? This show is going to be on next Tuesday. So this is, tomorrow's Thursday in real life. Tomorrow's Thanksgiving, so it's coming out on Thanksgiving. And then there's a, and the show is called This is Nashville,

and the host is named Khalil Ekelona. Great. Well, we'll link off to this on Tuesday. Yeah. Well, Chris, now there's some really, I think, consequential news In the world of music that we also We must get your take

We have to get your take on this You remember Hall and Oates I think we all do Hall and Oates? Yeah I've heard of Hall but Hall and Oates? I've seen Oates' mustache In a bag at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Is that real? No it's not real I've seen Oates' mustache in a bag at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Is that real? No, it's not real. That would be fucking amazing. Wait, really? But then you're like, it's dismantled, so it just looks like a bag of hair. Yeah, yeah. That's just the way it is. You're like, no, it's a mustache. It's a mustache.

He didn't want it reconstructed. Our writer, JM, calls Hall and Oates your parents' dentist's favorite musical duo. Oh. That's not fair. That's not. That's not right. Well, then I guess I'm your parents' favorite dentist or that fucking case.

Whoever wrote that was like a 17-year-old who's never done anything except for play video games. Yeah, that's right. Hall & Oates are no Minecraft. No, but Hall & Oates have some hits. What happened to jazz, man? Hall and Oates. Jazz and Yacht Rock, baby.

But right now, Hall is suing Oates. Daryl. Nobody knows exactly why. Court documents are sealed, but it's just been revealed that Hall filed a motion for a temporary restraining order against Oates and Daryl Hall apparently went on Bill Maher's Club Random show last year. Which, again,

it looks like, yeah, just an anthropomorphic can of Axe Body Spray. Renovated a suburban rumpus room. It's so awful. But anyways, it's like bill maher and his other really friends like famous friends who are like everyone else is a fucking idiot except us right right right daryl hall yeah narcissist exactly man every single person who's like that has gotten

into like cancel culture like you know i'm sure yeah hall's probably like i'm so tired of being told what to do yes of course i mean was it i mean from my perspective right daryl hall i was like just narrowly i was like well he was the one whose voice was killing it all the time so i'm like that's that's the guy and what we're just saying like john oates was just kind of like, like, you're just playing guitar, right? And backing him up. Like, was the perception like John Oates wasn't doing much like Daryl Hall was? Because, like, the way Daryl Hall talks, he talks like he talks like he's like, I was doing all the heavy lifting.

OK, we were just making some shit. You've heard him say that he's acting like that for real. Daryl Hall said, you think John Oates is my partner? He's my business partner. he's not my creative partner okay yeah oh my god yes so like he's treating he's treating john oats like he's art garfunkel yeah i guess so yeah he's trying to do a pulse like how it has gone down in pop culture his like there's that well sure comedy band garfunkel and oats that's like these are the also rands right famous duos but oh right i didn't even get that oh my god i just you just explained that i've never understood that i was like garfunkel and oats is somehow just because i was involved in the los angeles comedy scene

they were in my you know yeah i never but i was like oh i get it kate mccoochie and ricky lindholm right yeah i never got it i never understood holy shit man it's one of those graduate school jokes yeah to to your point like it daryl hoates or daryl hall always seemed like both the one who gets the most credit and also the one who has the most public-facing sociopathic tendencies. Right. So it's always interesting to take a step back and be like, is he really the one who deserves the credit? Did they say why Oates is no everyone's like completely flabbergasted

Hal Sue Oates yeah it's just like he's getting a restraining order and they're like everyone's just describing as like mysterious so I don't know if it's under seal okay well I don't Daryl Hall you know I think at one time was probably a nice person,

but, I mean, he seems like ever since he started having that show live at Daryl's house, I think was off the air now for a while, but it was on for six years from like 2010. Wait, I'm not familiar with this. Dude, it was like, come fucking worship me at my house and we'll perform a little bit but also like silo like all kinds of artists would go and perform and like they would maybe do one of their songs a duet maybe do a hollow notes cover and then just like talk about like just talking like with daryl and his like you know session guys that he's with yeah and like some sort of like studio made of repossessed barnwood or you know re not

repurposed repurposed repossessed barn was a different thing that's when you get but you know it was a nasty show in the sense that it was like i saw the side of daryl hall where it's like he won't he thinks people want to watch me dinner you know like they ate dinner on the show and drank wine on the show. And it's the same way I felt about watching that show with any show where rich people eat food and that's the show. It's like I can't even make him so angry. I can't even. Who's the guy who directed like Spider-Man and also like Swingers?

Jon Favreau. Jon Favreau, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That guy. Like he had a show where it was like dinner with Jon Favreau and I immediately, I had nothing against Jon Favreau yeah yeah yeah that guy like he had a show where it was like dinner with John Favreau and I immediately I had nothing against John Favreau and I immediately hated like I was like that motherfucker right that is so many of the pitches that you get in the podcasting industry oh my god yeah what dinner with no just like I'm a rich person and people will necessarily be interested in seeing me hang out with my friends and because like you know my other

friends are also rich and famous too so like in that way they get to hang out yeah just darryl no darryl hall just darryl hall in that on that show you realized he had become so surrounded with douchebags that he obviously thought he was like the ruler of the earth he was so surrounded by yes people and he's in his bubble he probably never has to leave his compound and then just people famous people come visit him he's like a promo show you know you'd be on daryl hall's show and john oats was nowhere to be seen on that show so i don't know where john oats was but he was not getting any of that money i don't think from uh live at daryl's house he pitched live at oats's house nobody was like sorry was like, sorry. Sorry. Yeah. They're like, what?

Live at Oates. It's called Bowl of Oats with John Oates. What? Come have an Oates meal. Live at Oates' back house. Right. In Oates' grain shed. Oh, boy.

But, like, the fucking, the Daryl, there's one live at Daryl's house episode that I will never, like, back when there was, like was like DVR TiVo type shit. I always kept it on there because there's an episode where CeeLo is performing at his house. And CeeLo is a fucking obviously like he's like a great like he can sing. Right. And they're singing. I can't go for that. And like CeeLo is just like doing his own version, put a little spice on it.

CeeLo is just like doing his own version, put a little spice on it. And then you can tell Daryl Hall is kind of like, he's like, this fucking guy thinks he's going to fucking outdo me. This shit's called live at Daryl's house. And then Daryl Hall comes in for like the second verse. And the way he comes in, it's like you can tell he's like, I got to summon every bit of energy I have to fucking just blow out Ceeo right now because he's outdoing me on my own show and i was like uh but when i saw that i was like okay you can't even you can't even just gesturing over to the monitors pointing to his headphones being like take me up take me up yeah yeah yeah i can't go no yeah he goes i can't go for being twice as nice and like he just tried yeah anyway so yeah uh you hate to see it but who knows i'm sure it all it's

probably all boiling down to some disagreement over like rights and royalties gonna get more money or so or maybe john oats like like performed a song he's like what i fucking say john or yeah john said like john oats implied that he well i guess you couldn't sue someone for just implying that they wrote more than they did or something. Right. But John Oates is probably the victim here. I'm guessing. I mean, the guy's been second banana already. And for this guy to sue him on top of that just seems cruel and unusual, especially when

he has all that Daryl's house money. And he's been eating lobster on TV while Oates is at home eating TV dinners. Yeah. Yeah. You know, with his half the money. Nothing more humble than the last name Oates. Hall and Oates. Yeah.

So come to my hall versus eat Oates loser. Yeah. Eat Oates horse ass motherfucker. You want to hang out? Leave him alone. You want to have a drink in this hall or you want to hang out in some oats? Yeah, that's right. So Hall said, so Hall and Oates have this song called Don't I'm Just a Kid, Don't Make Me Feel Like a Man on one of their earlier records, which is I think it's on Abandoned Luncheonette.

Their early stuff's great. I think they were probably nice back then, both of them maybe. Because they were like came up from, you know, nothing really. don't think any of them like their dad was anybody or anything i think they just came up from philadelphia and they loved r&b and they they you know they made some good r&b songs and then they they were also kind of a little folkier in the beginning and that's abandoned luncheonette which is my shit it's kind of like easy listening kind of stuff when the morning comes is a song i recommend highly off of Vand and luncheonette.

Anyway, they, the hell am I talking about? I'm all brainwiped. John. Um, uh, remember when I had a brainwiped way to stop the show and I'd eat a

hard boiled egg. But what are you? John Oates. Is that where you're, do you pick it back up? Oh, so I had a radio show in Nashville and I was always trying to get the guys from Bread to call in, the band Bread. Yeah.

The show was called Best of Bread. Best of Bread, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. It was on from 2005 to 2009, and we realized we had nobody listening to us, like nobody from management, so we just went crazy. And anyway, I was just trying to get Bread to call in because I knew a couple of the

guys from the band Bread lived in Nashville. No one ever did, but one time I played I'm Just a Kid don't make me feel like a man and i was like that song was creepy and yeah we got a phone call from one of the guys who played in the hollow notes band and he said we were all like 30 and we had to play that song and it gave us the creeps and we we also think that song's creepy and that was like like the greatest. That was like for me, that felt like, I don't know. They agreed. They agreed. That felt like finding a whole teapot under the planes. A tool top teapot.

Tool top teapot. Tool top teapot. Pothecary from the Dakota territories. Chris Crofton. Amazing having you as always. Yeah. So fun. I miss you guys.

But I'm so glad to be back on. You guys are looking good. You guys are looking good you guys are looking good yeah no it's just like preserved in amber thank you like a mosquito from dress joined and said that you were surprised that we were still alive yeah that's a great way to enter any conversation you old son of a bitch i can't believe you're still i've seen you only in these little cube screens yeah for the last couple years i don't know where you are i don't know i'm glad you're not watching welcome to jack's house on youtube yeah you're not catching me there oh you got to check it out man is it like you eating

lobster with like it's me eating lobster or whatever it's me eating lobster with various uh canceled celebrity friends of mine oh wow, wow. That's a good show. Oh yeah. Oh, that's just like a total hate watch. It's Tucker Carlson, Roseanne, and like Doja Cat eating lobster or something.

You're like, what the fuck is that? And Jack being like, I'm not with these guys, but this is my house. And I didn't invite them. Where Chris can people find you and follow you? You can find me at,

at the Crofton show on Twitter and you can find me. Well, Twitter was left at Twitter X. You can find me. Yeah. At the Crofton show at, uh, at Instagram,

whatever, uh, Instagram at the Crofton show. And then, um, you can go find my book, the advice King anthology. Just get it from Amazon. You don't have to buy it from Vander the advice king anthology just get it from amazon

you don't have to buy it from vanderbilt university just please get it in your hands i went on a tour with neil hamburger recently and i sold 20 books in four days to dive bar people you ever get a dive bar person buying a book it's a hell of an experience like this guy i know i don't look like i read but i I'm like, you know. I'll read it right now. Watch this. Advice King. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So go. Exactly.

He was so drunk, he said he read books and bought a book. Yeah. So go buy the Advice King Anthology. I don't care how you get it. It's actually kind of a brilliant approach. It's a great Christmas present. Great Christmas present. So the Advice King Anthology.

And I don't care if you buy it from Amazon. Go ahead. Great Christmas present. Great Christmas present. So the Advice King Anthology. And I don't care if you buy it from Amazon. Go ahead. And I mean, because it's got the information in it that will overthrow Amazon. And also, that's it. Just go listen to This is Nashville. And I'll link to that and all my I'll send Jack and Miles the links. Yeah.

And go overthrow Amazon. We will link off to those in the footnotes is there a work of media that you've been enjoying you know i'm just gonna say because i'm never good at finding that the things anymore i'm just gonna say check out neil hamburger's new record because he's he's made a record with like he wrote the lyrics and his friend eric paparazzi who plays drums sorry guitar in the cat power band wrote the music and he has guest vocalists so like he has like a bonnie prince billy and that puddles the clown guy and anyway it's just kind of a really interesting really interesting record um and it's a it's a sweet

it's a it's like a theme album about spending christmas in a cheap motel and it's called seasonal depression suite and i just did this tour with with Greg Turkington for one five day tour in October. And it was the greatest experience ever. And just to let people know that Greg is such a nice guy and, and I want to support his project. Amazing. Miles,

where can people find you as I work at media you've been enjoying? Uh, find me on the at base places like twitter or instagram threads even at miles of ray threads even cutting edge you know you know what it is uh and let's see find jack and i obviously on the basketball podcast the nba show at boosties uh where we are talking all kinds of basketball going on. Fresh smack. You know, cool stuff. Neat stuff.

Is it Bowfinger? I think it's Steve Martin says your smack is so fresh. I don't know. Oh man, I love it. Your smack is so fresh, man. Does he say that to Eddie, like the nerd version of Eddie? Let me see if I can find it. I just love that to Eddie, like the nerd version of Eddie?

Or the other version? Let me see if I can find it. I just love that scene where he has to cross the freeway. Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Anyway, and then you can find me on 420 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexander, where we talk about 90 Day Fiance. And hey, if you're taking, you know, you're hitting the road, you want to listen to some easy true crime stuff that's not about people getting murdered and it's actually cool check out the good thief i host that and it's about our

search for the greek robin hood let's see wow i didn't know about that yeah yeah yeah it's uh about this guy who's broke out of uh greece's like equivalent of alcatraz uh many times by helicopter and then would like kidnap billionaires the helicopter prison escape uh underrated art that europe is really good at yeah yeah yeah i think it's just weird i think because it's everything is so militarized here that like you can get away with being like yeah you just fly a fucking helicopter into a prison yard and take off with somebody and then let's see a piece of media like i don't know if i'm gonna like it but i believe the squid game the real life squid game fucking tv challenge show has is out and i'm going to watch that on wednesday i think

oh did you see it no uh jm started watching it though oh yes we talked about it together miles i know but i'm saying i'm going to watch it like now okay i know that i know i know what the talk about it is but now i need to see with my eyes with mine own eyes exactly exactly so yeah i'm gonna well i'm gonna check in on that probably by the way your smack is so fresh is from john mcginley's performance as the Jim Rome character in Any Given Sunday, talking to Willie Beeman. Oh, my God. Your smack is so fresh, so on time and truthful.

Give me a pound, dog. And Willie Beeman's like, what the fuck? That's right. That shit has been in my head ever since I saw that shit. We went from Bowfinger to Oliver Stone's football movie. Hey, man, there's some brilliant moments in any given Sunday. And also, overall, not a great movie. No.

But you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. Some tweets I've been enjoying. Obviously, I've been liking a lot of Dan White. Just generally Dan White. Never steers me wrong. I also liked this tweet in regards to the story that we talked about. You know, Variety

posted, Daryl Hall gets restraining order against John Oates and Hall and Oates legal battle. And then Sam Stefanik retweeted that and said, Ryan Murphy types the words Hall versus Oates so hard that all his fingers fracture. Which is probably happening. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy?

I think they're going to enjoy this one. This is an artist called Jazztronic, T-R-O-N-I-K. And he's this Japanese DJ who's just putting together fusion-y jazz beats together, repurposed. And it's really, really interesting. This track is called Hizuru, H-I-Z-U-R-U, and it's the Jazztronic remix. So just try that on, you know, some wacky stuff. And what happened to jazz? Well, it's people flipping it, making new stuff with it, too.

There you go. All right. Well, we will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning. Back this afternoon to tell you what is trending. And we will talk to you all then.

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