The Daily Zeitgeist - Citizen Journalism vs. Fascism, ICE vs. Pushups 10.22.25

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

In episode 1951, Jack and Miles are joined by investigative journalist and co-author of For the Sun After Long Nights: The Story of Iran's Women-Led Uprising, Nilo Tabrizy, to discuss… Citizen Journalism’s Role Going Forward, Lindsey Halligan is so in over her head it’s pathetic, ICE’s Greatest Adversary? Push-Ups, Trump Brags About Surviving Assasination at Ceremony Honoring Assasination Victim,  Emma Stone’s “All-Bald” Screening Was BS and more! ICE’s ‘Athletically Allergic’ Recruits Man on e-bike taunts ICE agents in Chicago — and gets away ‘Trump’s private army’: inside the push to recruit 10,000 immigration officers Trump administration promises $50K signing bonuses in campaign to hire 10,000 ICE agents President Trump Participates in a Medal of Freedom Ceremony for Charlie Kirk Donald Trump Says Charlie Kirk Was in Awe of How He Turned to Dodge Sniper Bullet So That’s Why Emma Stone Shaved Her Head ‘Bugonia’ Sets Early Screening For Audience Members Who Are Bald or ‘Willing To Shave’ Their Heads: ‘This Is Real’ multiple bald caps. typical la refusal to commitment LISTEN: Battlecry (feat. Shing02) by NujabesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

people who are like rooting against the dodgers have a have a sense of dread yeah everyone there's every write up i've read because i'm obviously i'm i'm mentally ill so i only see the dodgers winning anything ever now you're an l a sports fan but yeah i'm it's like my mom is so fucking excited all the old japanese women in my life are fucking partying like they're so ready for this World Series, because they just, it's a new era. It's a new time. They like this Otani guy. They think he's pretty good. They think he might be up to something. Big prediction from Victor. The Dodgers are going to win the Super Bowl also. This is an I-Heart podcast.

The Big Tick podcast from Bloomberg News keeps you on top of the biggest stories of the day. My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day. Stories that move markets. Chair Powell opened the door to this first interest rate cut. Impact politics, change businesses. This is a really stunning development for the AI world and how you think about your bottom line. Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, America's sweetheart Johnny Knoxville. here, I want to tell you about my new true crime podcast, Crimeless, Hillbilly Heist, from smartless media, campside media, and big money players. It's a wild tell about a gang of high-functioning nitwits who somehow pulled off America's third largest cash heist. Kind of like Robin Hood had except for the part where he steals from rich and gives to the poor. I'm not that generous.

It's a damn near inspiring true story for anyone. out there who's ever shot for the moon, then just totally muffed up the landing. They stole $17 million and had not bought a ticket to help him escape. So we're saying, like, oh, God, what do we do? What do we do? That was dumb. People do not follow my example. Listen to Crimless, Hillbilly Heist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, here we go again. And we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask,

why does history keep repeating itself? Each week, I'm calling up my friends, like Bill Nye, Lily Singh, and Pete Buttigieg, to talk about everything from the space race to movie remakes to psychedelics. Put another way, are you high? Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Two rich young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over, but one of them will end up dead and the other tried for murder three times. It starts with a dream, a nature reserve and a spectacular new home. But little by little, they lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to hell in heaven on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 411, episode three of their daily sightguise.

A production of IHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it's Wednesday, October 22nd. Yep. 2025. Yes. You know what it is? Yes.

1022, good buddy. Nailed it. National Tavern-style pizza day. Shout out to Chicago ones, too. What is our pizza? Is it deep dish? Is it tavern-style pizza? We don't know.

It's also National Make-A-Dogs day. It's National Medical Assistance Recognition Day. National Color Day. National Nut Day. Shout out to the nuts out there. Is this ahead of No, not November, or this is just like the other. No, this is purely for the. enjoyment of things like pecans, almonds,

cashews, Brazil nuts, pistachios, whatever you know. We went camping with my kids' school last weekend, and I put together a pound and a half of trail mix, and I have a pound and a half of trail mix left over. Wait, that you thought the kids were going to like as a treat? It's probably a pound and a quarter. There were a few of them, but it was way too much trail mix that I put together. So I'm just working. I'm like, no dinner tonight.

We're doing trail next. Oh, gosh. What a household. I missed the apostrophe yes and make a dog's day. I've been working all morning and failing. I have not been able to make a dog yet. Hey, hey, we're working on it. Keep trying.

My name's Jack O'Brien, aka, I want my thong to have a murkin with a little string up my butt, baby, baby. That one, courtesy of Snarfiel on the Discord. Snarfiel of the leg out. Anytime I do a semi-charmed kind of. life, aka this asshole's thing that, hey, you're killing it, Snarfula, of course, in reference to the latest American technology introduced by Kim Kardashian, sold out in minutes. That is no hypothetical, I want my thong, too. That is, apparently, was on a lot of people's minds. Shout out to Kim Kardashian and Miles, who coined the phrase the Edison of Americans.

Thrill to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gregg! Yes, the proud Angelina. Lord of Lancashim, the valleys vary on the showgun with no gun. It's my, it's me. It's Miles. Great to be here. Great to be here. It's, it's, things are feeling buoyant, kind of in the city.

Yeah, you know, you know, just a lot of Dodger, the Dodger energy is swirling in northeast Los Angeles, East Los Angeles area. It's nice to see. It's nice to see when everybody's coming out. A lot of Dodger boot. Yeah, yeah. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat today. by a Washington Post investigative journalist

whose new book co-authored with Fatima Jamalpur was just long-listed for the 2025 National Book Awards for Nonfiction. It's called for the Sun after Long Nights, the story of the Iran's women-led uprising. Please welcome Nilo Tabrizi. Hi. Hey, hey.

Hey, hey. How you doing? Welcome, welcome. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for being here. we have we've done it again jack we've brought on somebody i know who is so much smarter than us who i know i like to just real things front load the songs about murkins so it's just like clear

right up front where you're at you're talking to idiots we really appreciate you coming on congratulations on the book yeah for the awards that i'm sure soon to follow but yeah what what are you doing on this podcast no i'm just joking we're thrilled to have you where you come to us What's from? I'm coming to you from Brooklyn, New York. Okay, 718. I've heard of it. Yes. I'm aware. I'm savvy. I'm savvy. What's, I mean, the, how, every time someone has a book coming out, I'm like, how exhausted are you? I, I am exhausted, but very excited. Like, it's, it's, it's been, you know, two years of putting this together and seeing this out in the world.

This is, like, probably the closest I, I'm coming to this moment is like, this is my child right now. So I'm like, see her take her first step. It's very exciting. And I also told my friends, I was like, if I ever want to write a book again, like, you have to stop me. It's a hard process. And like while I'm like really excited talking about the book with people, I'm still working. Like I'm still doing my day job. And also right now working on a proposal for a second book.

So my friends really have to show up. I don't know. I need all new friends. I think this is what's clear. You just told them to say, slap the book out of my hand if I'm trying to write it. Get it away from me. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Is it a similar subject matter? Are you kind of like in, you don't have to reveal anything, but are you trying to do something different? Or you found sort of a lane that you kind of feel really good about writing on? Yeah. I mean, I love reporting and writing on Iran. It's such a, it's just such an honor to be able to platform voices from inside my country. And it's, you know, like doing this work on Iran means that I can't return. So it's a really nice way to keep a connection and to, again, platform voices.

So it'll be about Iran again. Yeah, yeah. So I've made a similar pact with my friends in the past where it was like, never let me do that again. It was not about writing books, though. No. And they were similarly bad at stopping me. So I, but I am impressed that you're like, guys, you got to stop me.

I'm too prolific. I was just like, I need to sleep. Like at some point, like I need to be put down for a nap and no one is stopping. me. So this is tough. It's tough. All right. Well, we're thrilled to have you. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're going to be talking about. We're going to talk about citizen journalism, which is part of the story of your book and how your book came together and what you think the role of citizen journalism can be in these United States. There are some people who think that there's also an authoritarian

vibe happening over here. I don't know what they're talking about, but yeah, what is the role of citizen journalism in an authoritarian government? We'll talk about that. Especially in an era with like consolidation around mainstream media where

yeah, very, I think, yeah. I'm going to get ahead of myself and think, it's probably very important, but obviously Nilo will. Correct. Correct. We can sign post that is correct for now. Okay, good, yeah, thank you. Fucking knew it.

We're going to talk about Lindsay Halligan And in her understanding of journalism, this is the U.S. attorney who used to be a insurance lawyer and then met Trump at a party. And he was like, you're now in charge of important shit. And just her understanding of how journalism works. We'll talk about ICE and their greatest adversary, 15 push-ups. Yeah. That seems to be a real stumbling block for ICE right now. So we'll talk about that.

We'll talk about Donald Trump. Have you guys heard about this? Donald Trump guy? We'll talk about his unpopularity and also his bragging about surviving an assassination at a ceremony honoring someone who was killed in an assassination. Yeah. That was interesting. All of that, plenty more. We might even get into some citizen journalism that happened around the all-bald screening of Emmett Stone's newest movie.

So there is some hard-hitting citizen journalism. happening. We contain multitudes. All of that plenty more. But first, Nilo, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Well, I think I went through and looked at my tabs of which of my phone I had 76. So that's, first of all, a problem. But my most recent one was I was looking up miniatures of Persian paintings. These were like huge, very ornate paintings from 14th, 17th century. But I was looking at them because I used this visual to pitch a music video to this artist that I really wanted to work with. So, you know, I did, this is my on the side project is making music videos. Like the coolest shit.

You're like, yeah, and I'm like making music videos or whatever, whatever, you know, somebody stop me. I'm so tired. Somebody stopped me. Please. Somebody stopped. I have too many fucking cool projects that are working on. Are you a fan of miniatures broadly? Is this something that just like kind of popped up for this particular project? I think there's, really beautiful. So they're like full page illustrations, really detailed. Sometimes they can even look like a dollhouse, like if you cut an apartment in half and you can see all the rooms. And these were really ornate. Like, yeah, they show poetry. They show gatherings. They're really

detailed. And I just thought they were really cool. And there's this Iranian-American musician named Nina Roe. And she makes all types of music, like Spanish language, music, Persian language, English language. And I said to her, I was like, I think this would be a cool way to do culture with a music video for you that isn't like something very on the nose or, I don't know. Yeah, but they're interesting. Like, I love Persian poetry and they use these very old

beautiful style of artwork to illustrate it. So, yeah, very cool. I went to a museum one time in New York City that had this exhibit. Yeah, I go to museums occasionally. In New York City, yeah. Usually bored to tears, but this one

had this thing called the Nutshell Studies of Unexplained Death. Have you guys heard of that. It's just, like, all these crime scenes that are, like, reenacted with miniatures, I was like, oh, shit. Oh, cool. Like, art can be so fun for the seven-year-old in me, but this artist, Francis Glesner, who lived from 1878 to 1962, I'm not looking that up. I just remember all of this from my trip to the museum 20 years ago, was just obsessed with, you know, recreating crime scenes. And it was, it was dope, miniature. And now we have true crime docu-series.

Exactly. She was on that shit. Yeah. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? New York City public buses, okay? Is it going to take you 45 minutes to take a bus where it could take you 15 minutes in an Uber? Absolutely.

Or, you know, are you spending 10 extra minutes taking a bus instead of a subway? Yes. But like, I want to be above ground. Dare I want to see sunlight. You know, do I want to be on a bus at 3 p.m. when teens, it's like, after school and there's teen drama like yes i want all of these things yeah i thought you were gonna say no hell yeah that sounds amazing what kind of teen drama like are you like overhearing just like little the scuttle butt from the high school headphones on it's paused like i am listening it's on transparency mode

it's like yeah i'm gonna actually turn up on the hearing aid to magnify the sound exactly i'm just sitting closer and they're like help there's an old woman you're um but no just like drama over texting someone back and Snapchatting someone. It's very, it's just like, it's nice to know. It's innocent. It's beautiful. And also New York teens are all very cool. And so I'm very interested in them.

Like a couple summers ago, a New York teen said something to me so cutting. Like I was vaping. Sorry. On a bench, reading the Paris Review, highs and lows. Damn. And these like teens, like cool cargo shorts, crop tops, walk by me. Without even looking, they just said, imagine vaping in 2022. which is so...

Wow. Damn. Imagine. Like, that really hurt immediately threw my lost Mary away and I was like, I can't behave like this anymore. So it's just like, they're cool.

Were they smoking a pipe like Sherlock Holmes? Like, what was their thing? They have like a Yorba Late. What's cool with the teens? I was only vaping because I thought it made me look like a teenager. Literally, I was like, I was like, I wonder, why these youths think this is cool. So, yeah, teen culture.

It's like they're just cooler than us. I'm very interested in what they're up to. Right. Man. So you're one of those sunlight sickos. You like the sunlight, huh? Instead of being underground with a roller coaster grease and terrible smells. It's like there's a time and a place for a subway and then there's really a time in

place for the bus. And I think the bus is underrated. Okay, so as somebody, I visit New York a lot. I've never lived there. I'm pretty familiar with the city, but just from your perspective, when is the time for a bus and when is it time for subway? Cross town. Well, yeah, like if I'm, well, if I'm going to Manhattan, obviously, it's time for a subway, right? Like, I'm going to zip there.

What am I really going to see? You know, there's one subway that even goes over a bridge, and I get this, like, experience that I'm looking towards. Cool. But if I'm in Brooklyn and I'm trying to get to different neighborhoods, like, I'm going to take a bus. And it's going to take me longer and I'm going to factor in an extra half an hour. but I just know I'm going to get cool joy. Like there's something I'm going to see. It's more stimulating.

Sure. Yes. Yes. You don't like riding the bus over the Brooklyn Bridge with a look of whimsical awe on your face with a piece with a piece of hay in the corner of your mouth like in every movie when someone's coming to New York? No, because like that's giving traffic. And if I want that over bridge vibe, I'm taking the J train. Yeah. There you go.

There's also rumors that the socialist, soon to be mayor of New York, wants to be. to make buses free. Did you see that? Like some right wing guy was like riding the bus before it becomes like free and like full of homeless people. And people like, do you first of all, you've never ridden the bar before in your life. But that's what I think.

That's what it makes me think of. It's gross. What is something, Nilo, that you think is overrated? I don't think this is gonna play with either of you as you have short hair under hats. but a Dyson air wrap. No hair under hat. So sorry.

No hair. So sorry that I did that. How could I? No, Nilo, you knew. You knew. You knew. This is okay. I was like, maybe it's a one.

Maybe he got a one. Like, I don't know. Did you imagine? It's like, it's all tight on the side. I have all this long hair on top. It's like, actually. Maybe he wants to be free. Like, who am I to judge?

But a Dyson air wrap. It's like 500 bucks for a multi-tool hair dryer. Like, we are getting scammed. I don't understand. yes, it's a, it's a multi, again, this is like the cult of Dyson, I blame TikTok, but it's like a 500, it's $500 and it has all these attachments and it can do these, I don't know. Like it just doesn't make sense to me. I did have access to one at like a, like a $40 or a class Pilates cult that I went to. And there was one after and I was like, let me see. And it made no sense. I was like, this is not what we should be spending $500 for. Man, that's, so what does it do? It takes your wet hair. You can make it straight without having to, like, dry it and then use a tool. Like, there are some uses, but $500 is crazy.

No. It's crazy. No, no, no, no. Multi-tool hair care. Victor said it helps with curls. Oh, it must be nice. It must be nice, Victor. Must be nice, Victor.

Yeah, that doesn't resonate with me at all. I have my Dyson hair wrap every morning to get ready for this recording. That's sure. And then he's like, it ever fucking works. That's why I got the hat on. It's a mess. Miles somebody looked like, shit, I had to put a hat on. Yeah, to $500 is, I mean, like, I felt like, did the hairdryer need to do more than just blow out the hot air?

And then you kind of use the tools around it to kind of figure out. I don't think so. I think we're getting scammed. It's like, you know what else helps with curls to shout out your friend? It's like, get a diffuser. That's a $30 attachment. We're helping the. curls that way like we don't need to we don't need to live like this right right right yeah makes

sense enough dyson dyson enough uh i can't think of dyson without isn't that isn't that one of the names of the characters and predator no it's the name of the dude who invented sky net ah dyson miles dyson i just knew that i had arnold saying dyson yeah dyson is miles dyson he created a size skynet all right let's take a quick break we'll be right back The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News dives deep into one big global business story every weekday. A shutdown means we don't get the data, but it also means for President Trump that there's no chance of bad news on the labor market. What does a bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich reveal about the economy? Our breakfast foods are consistent consumer staples, and so they sort of become outsize indicators of inflation.

What's behind Elon Musk's trillion dollar payout? There's a sort of concerted effort to message that Musk is coming back. He's putting politics aside. He's left the White House. And what can the PCE tell you that the CPI can't? CPI tries to measure out-of-pocket costs that consumers are paying for things, whereas the PCE index that the Fed targets is a little bit broader of a measure. Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over, but one will end up dead. The other tried for murder. Not once. People went wild. Not twice. stunned. But three times. John and Anne Bender are rich and attractive, and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble. And our couple retreat from reality.

They lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the I-Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, Here We Go again, we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies,

but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week, one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions. Like, are we heading towards another financial crash like in 08? Is non-monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes early? We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lili Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong.

Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Crying Wolf Podcast is the story of two men bound by injustice, of a city haunted by its secrets and the quest for redemption no matter the price. White victim, female, pretty, wealthy, black defendant. Chicago, a white woman's murder, a black man behind bars, for a crime he didn't commit. I had 90 years for killing somebody I have never seen. He says the police are his friends and then that's it.

They turn on it. A corrupt detective. How he was interrogated the techniques. That's crazy. A snitch and a life stolen. They got the wrong guy. But on the inside, leave. Lee Harris finds an ally in his sally, Robert, who swears to tell the truth about what happened to leave and free his friend.

And if you're with me, you're golden. I'll take care of you. I'm going to be with you. You stuck with me for life. Listen to the Crying Wolf podcast, starting on October 22nd, on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We're back. And Nilo, your book is about so many things.

The Revolution launched by women, oftentimes very young women and girls, to push back against the brutality and gender apartheid that has been instituted by Iran's authoritarian government. It's also about citizen journalism. Can you talk about the story of the revolution, first of all, like what happened three years ago and also the role of, of citizen journalism in reporting it. Yeah, absolutely. So in September 2020, a young woman named Massagina Amini was stopped by the Morality Police allegedly for improperly wearing hijab. She's Kurdish.

She's from the Kurdish province, and she was visiting the capital. We don't know exactly what that interaction looked like. A lot of women in Iran, like, it's a daily thing to be harassed by the morality police. Like, when you meet your friend at a cafe, the first question you ask each other is Kessigirda, like, did anyone harass you or stop you on your? way. It's just like daily life, right? Yeah. And then the next thing that we see, like, and this is really the image that incensed the world, is that we saw Gina lying unconscious in a hospital bed. This was after she was in the custody of the morality police. Like, it looked like she was

beaten, you know, within an inch of her life. Her face is puffy. Like, I can still see the image and feel it when I think about it. Her face is puffy. There's tubes coming out of her face. She has dried blood on her ears. It was horrifying. And I think, like, once that image was shared, And this was, again, shared by a source at the hospital. It spread everywhere because this harassment is a feature of daily life. Like, so many women and so many Iranians could see themselves in what happened to Gina. She eventually succumbed to her injury. She died.

And immediately, there were protests outside the hospital. There were protests at the funeral. Like, from there, it's spread. And we really have everything to thank to reporters for this. So there is a citizen journalist named Sajajad Khad Khad Khad Khad Khadomyi, who is based outside of Iran, and he was the first person on his Instagram story to alert the world to what was happening. There were reporters there as well, like two other reporters that we really owe, you know, our knowledge of this two are Nilufar Hamidi and Allahi Mohamedi. These are two

Iranian reporters based in the country working for major outlets, but they were under pressure while they were at the hospital to not report, like the authority said to them, if you start reporting on this, like this could be a lot of trouble, right? So immediately the pressure was there. But once that image was out, the movement spread. And the same thing. movement. And yeah, it grew. And it went, it's the largest and most widespread protest movement in the Islamic Republic's history. And again, like we, the citizen journalists really helped us in understanding what the protests look like on the ground because it's so difficult to do reporting in the country, right? Like the Washington Post hasn't had anyone based in Iran since my colleague

Jason Rezayan was in prison there for, for over two years. The New York Times didn't have a correspondent there as well. And so, and if you're foreign media going to report in Iran, it's very difficult. There's a lot of restrictions. You're constantly minded. And then journalists who are Iranian and base there, like every day is harassment for them. And so when we're seeing stories about protests and what it looks like, what it looked like when authorities were very violent protesters on the streets, that was because people who were on the ground in that moment were filming it, sending it to citizen journalists, and it was being spread. And so the way a lot of video is shared in Iran is through the app Telegram. And Telegram can be pretty safe for people because

you can make these like one-time use accounts and send them. And you can send them to a citizen journalist channel, which will have like 500,000 subscribers. And it'll spread from there. And yeah, so essentially like this is, this is the way that everything gets shared. So it's really, we have everything to thank to people who are brave enough to document the atrocities that were happening to Iranian people and taking the risk to send it to citizen journalists who amplified it to the rest of the world. Yeah, those first acts of citizen journalism, is it, you know, you said that these were citizen journalists who were able to do that? Is it just, like, were they thinking of themselves as citizen journalists before? Were they just people who happened to be there

and, like, shared the image? Like, how, whoa, what were, what were those first acts of citizen journalism looking like? Yeah, so some of these accounts have been around for a long time, and I've been able to make relationships with some of these channel administrators. And so these people had been documenting, you know, protests in 2019. They'd been documenting things like there was a port explosion in one of Iran's southern ports this year. Like anything that's shared, people really share on social media. So it's like this is a constant feature of the information ecosystem in Iran. Got it. And now some people say that the United States is in the early stage of an authoritarian takeover of the government and media, particularly people who've witnessed

authoritarian takeovers of governments before, like we've talked before about M. Gessen from the New Yorker who seems to be saying, yeah, this is all happening right on schedule. This is like exactly what it felt like when Putin took over. Can you talk about the role of citizen journalism in the U.S. today? Like, you know, it's somewhat nascent, but like, what role do you think citizen journalism could play and should play going forward. Yeah, I mean, people who are there on the ground are documenting events in real time. Like, I cover Black Lives Matter protests in the U.S. in 2020. And, you know, citizen journalists, which can even be as simple as uploading videos to X, Instagram, just being able to collect a record of what happened is incredibly important.

So like in 2020, when we were covering BLM protests in Philadelphia, we were able to prove using visual documentation that the Philly police violated their own rules for what and how to use tear gas. So it can be incredibly important because these pieces of video, like it's so precious. Like any piece of video is a documentation, right? Like if the government is saying ICE agents aren't doing any harm, but you have people that are documenting this, right? And we can verify that, you know, where it was filmed, that it is of the current moment, like all of these visuals can be incredibly important for future accountability or even

right in that moment. Yeah. Yeah, even like up to ice protests and like it seems like they have gone not literally mask off, but in terms of like organizationally, just they're shooting people in the face with, you know, non-lethal rounds that are cracking people's skulls and like trying to think back at the documentation of those things. It's all citizen journalism. It's all just people who are there close by recording on their phone. And then eventually, you know, I was able to watch a recreation of an act of ICE abuse that was completely reconstructed on the front page of the New York Times, all from just like people who are around recording on their phone, which it feels like more and more that's one of the last things that we have.

Yeah. I mean, like what you're describing is something that we call open source reporting, where we look at all these pieces of information that are there. Like, we use satellite imagery to look at the level of destruction to Gaza's agriculture, for example, and we did this in 2023. It's like all these pieces of information that are there and what can we do with it? And so it's, like, incredibly important because you can, you know, if you go to a protest, a regular story might be, here are the merits, here's someone who is here protesting this. Here's what someone on the other side says.

But once you have visual evidence that shows, you know, police use a force, If you're, you know, using less lethal rounds, but in a very close proximity, like, those often will go against the use guidelines of the specific less lethal round, right? So all of these pieces of evidence are super important. Is there, I think, yeah, to that end, right, open source sort of material out there helps put, like, sort of demystify or really bring out the truth and things because you always get sort of like the state's version of events and then the people on the ground. and then you kind of have to have a reckoning based on what you can gather. Is there a way like people should be thinking? Because I'm thinking all the time, we just have a reflex, I think, especially in this age of social media, to just get your phone out, especially when there's buckery unfolding

in front of you. Is there a way for people to think, okay, like, is it this thing I took, what do I do with it now? Rather than just maybe texted to other people like, yo, this shit got crazy over here. Like, this is a video I took. Is there a way that people should be thinking about this and what their role is? in documenting these things? Because again, this is fairly new for American people to having to be like, I'm having to see all these sort of abuses unfold, but in an era of cameras on every single cell phone,

how should, you know, like, what's our role in thinking about that is people who are trying to be people of good faith in this country to try and document the kinds of things that would potentially, you know, maybe correct some wrongs. Right. I mean, any visual documentation that you have, send it to me on Signal. I will take a look at it. No, but really, it's about keeping the material that you, if there's an important moment in there, being able to save it, archive it, keep it in a place that's not just your phone, something happens to your phone, it gets, you know, crack the next day. That's really important. Saving the metadata, that's something that we always look for. So when you take an image or video and you look in your camera roll, often it'll say if you have

location services enabled, exactly where it was filmed. That really helps open source investigators. we can plot it on a map and be able to say, oh, okay, this window that Jack filmed, you can see it in satellite imagery, we feel very confident that it's up this moment. And if there's a date and time, that, again, is really helpful to us because we can feel like this is a piece of video that we can easily verify. So keeping it, archiving it, and then being able to get it out to people like me who are open source reporters looking at different stories in this world every day. Right, because I feel like that even happened with ICE agents, like in Illinois,

where they were basically lying about some like an event where they threw a child down on the ground and like oh that's like old and like no here's another video of that same agent basically and you can we can tell from the metadata that this is very much that day and like they had to suddenly i mean they just they didn't not necessarily own up to it but it was sort of one of those moments where that sort of line of lying about the the activity of ice agents was sort of just dispelled through yeah it's super important because you know regular police department will wear police cameras. As reporters, sometimes we can file information requests from the department to try to get it. We may not, they may not give it to us for certain reasons. They may take a long time. When it's federal agents, it becomes even more complicated to request that video. So it's, it makes it even more important for people to be documenting whatever they're seeing in their communities. Yeah. Yeah. Like I, I think, you know, there's a lot of bad news and the authoritarian creep is real. I do think that. that there's a story of, like, that all of that citizen journalism, all of those things we've seen from the streets is working, like, is reaching people. Like, Trump's approval rating on immigration is down from plus 11, like, more 11% more people approved than disapproved to minus 3.2. And, like, obviously, that's not nearly negative enough, but it is the thing that he seemed to be, like, kind of rioting. on coming into the White House and like that it feels like people you know by because this policy is basically foregrounding the cruelty and you know also being terrible at execution and like you know finding the people they're looking for and instead just like harming innocent people

like people seem to be getting off board so i mean it does seem like a weapon that's being exercised and that probably just needs to be more and more foundational to how we interact with this regime. I have a question. What are the rules when you're trying to go off the record? You know, do you when you talk to a journalist? What info do you have? Like, what is happening?

Well, no, no, no, not me personally because I'm just thinking of this. I have a friend. I have a friend. Let's call him Donald T. Okay. No, that's too obvious. D Trump. There you go.

No, but I, I sort of use this as a segue because we are such, like, It's good to know, obviously, journalism is so foundational to being able to counteract the sort of propaganda that comes out of the government and bad faith actors that are in orbit of the administration. And just this story that came up today about Lindsay Halligan, it just sort of a lot of it revolves around this idea that this person, this woman, Lindsay Halligan, has no idea what that means to go off the record. And that was a very flippant way to segue into the next story. But there's just something very tragic and upsetting that we are being, having our rights

trampled by the most inept, ignorant people that this administration could possibly find. Potentially fortunate, you know, we've talked about the concept of designed incompetence that he surrounds himself with fools because they will be grateful for the appointment and also, by consequence, bad at their jobs. So that's kind of nice. So, you know, unknown insurance lawyer turned U.S. attorney, Lindsay Halligan, has now, she's like sort of the tip of the spear in terms of Trump's legal retaliation against his ops. She's never prosecuted a case before and has never held a job, like, of this kind.

So it makes sense that you truly knows nothing about how anything works when you're a federal prosecutor. But this story sort of centers around this legal reporter from Lawfare, Anna Bauer, who reached out to Halligan to talk about. about this sham indictment of Letitia James. And Halligan ended up blurting out shit about grand jury materials, which sounds like a big no-no as a federal prosecutor. And, you know, also just generally complaining to Bauer about, like, her coverage. I just want to read how, like, these conversations were unfolding.

Again, she's reaching out to a U.S. attorney about a sham indictment of another attorney general or of the attorney general of New York. And she's taught, she apparently was. complaining to Bauer about, like, I think your facts are wrong. I just want to help you out. Very unfair. I just want to help you out. Like, I just want to help you out, give you a tip, a heads up.

She said, I quote, I can't tell you grand jury stuff. This is written in their chats. I can't tell you grand jury stuff. And she's like, okay, that's fine. But the reporter was pushing back essentially saying that, like, the reason they're prosecuting Letitia James is that, like, she was charging people rent for this property that she didn't even live in. And, you know, this journalist was like, based on the materials that are out there,

that doesn't seem to be the case. Like, she only collected rents rent once. And it was in like one of like, you know, sort of like the lower brackets of between $1,000 and $5,000. So once that happened, Halligan lost it, quote, this is what she says to Anna Bauer, quote, you're biased. Your reporting isn't accurate. I'm the one handling the case.

And I'm telling you that. If you want to twist and torture the facts to fit your narrative, there's nothing I can do. It's a waste to even give you. heads up. So, like, I'm assuming as a journalist, you then asked the Department of Justice, hey, what do you think about this conversation I had with this U.S. attorney? This was their response. They were so petulant that she deigned to ask about this conversation. They said, quote, good luck ever getting anyone to talk to you when you publish their texts is the DOJ's response in terms of her conversation with Halligan. And then basically, this is what happened. Quote,

this is from the New Republic. Later, Halligan texted Bauer again to insist they had been speaking off record, quote, you're not a journalist, so it's weird saying that, but just letting you know. And this is how they said, good luck ever getting anyone to text you again. And then like, as she's reading that, her phone blows up with another text from the same one from Halligan. So just, it's weird, but just letting you know, this is how Bauer replied, quote, I'm sorry, but that's not how this works. You don't get to say that in retrospect. Haligan responded, yes, I do. Off record.

Yeah, that was a tough exchange to read. Because it's like if a journalist is coming to you and publicly identifying themselves as a reporter, I'm reaching out to you for this. The assumption is it's on the record. It's off the record when you and I both agree and I consent to you before we start the off the record portion. This is off the record. And I'll have conversations with sources where we're chatting and they will say, this is off the record. Okay, we'll chat about it. then I'll say, I'd like to go back on the record now. Great. Like you just, it's all about being

transparent so that everyone's aware. But yeah, you can't coming after and saying, well, that was off the record. Like that's, that's not typically how a source interaction goes. Yeah. That's why I, the thing that you're putting in your book that's already out for publishing was off the record. I've just decided to say, oh, okay. Do that retroactive. Yes, I can. Off the record. Off the record. Off record now. I declare off record. Record. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Off record. There. What? This is Bauer's reply. Well, I'm really sorry. I would have been happy to speak with you on an off the record basis had you asked, but you didn't ask. And I still haven't agreed to speak on that basis. Do you have any further comment for this story? And then this is what I like in response. Quote, it's obvious the whole combo is off record. There's disappearing messages and it's on signal. What is your story? You never told me about a story. Why did you think I, a journalist, reached out to you and asked you for comment on a story? Yeah.

Oh, man. Story. Yeah. Yeah. So not. It's all this story bullshit. You never told me about a story. It's the subject matter we were discussing in our conversation.

And like, signal disappearing messages, it's like, I just use, you know, a lot of people use signal for non-journalistic purposes or like. People buy shrooms on signal, you know? Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly they do. Allegedly. Allegedly, that is off the record. Off the record. Go on. And like disappearing messages.

Like, why, I, you know, I have a friend who will, in her I message, this is when I'm like, you are unwell, conversations that have nothing to, journalism, she'll finish a conversation with her mom and she'll wipe it. I'm like, what, what are you doing? She's like, well, I just, it's just like good digital security. Everything gets breached. And meanwhile, I'm like, oh, so I shouldn't have text change from 2016 in my phone. Like, is this a bad idea?

It's just like people do these for all types of purposes. Right. Yeah. So it's like, let's just be transparent. You have text chains from 2016 on your phone? So I have, mine goes back to 2016, actually. That's when I started saving everything. I don't know why.

I have like, I'm like a weird text hoarder. I am too. Like, I'll be on a flight. And I'm like, oh, like, what about this nostalgic time and this year? Like, I'm nostalgic for a moment that ended two minutes ago. I don't know why I'm like this. So, yeah, it's memories. Memory's nice.

It's for posterity's sake. Yeah. All right. Let's get back to Trump's morality, please. ICE, who, you know, they've been making a lot of headlines doing horrific shit. And the Trump administration is doing everything they can to add more ICE officers, including expanding the age eligibility, condensing training from third. 13 weeks to eight, reducing Spanish classes and firearms courses and classroom instruction.

That seems bad because they seem to not know how to operate the firearms that they are being right now with. Yeah. Yeah, I saw this video too of the New York Times reporter, Hamad. He went on a ride along with Chicago, with ICE in Chicago. And one of the ICE agents said to him, like, yeah, like, we like being out here. Like, we're adrenaline junkies. Like we, so hearing that and then hearing and the training being scaled back. Yeah, we've got, I mean, we've had to even scale back the Fourth Amendment stuff. We were trying to tell them about about seizures and searches and stuff. But we had to get that out of the way because none of these people can do anything physical.

Yeah, it seems bad that they're motivated by being adrenaline junkies and also a $50,000 signing bonus. And so it's just, right? It's if you make it, right? It's like, you get the 50 if you can make it out. Right, right. Which, so even after scaling back the requirements, the agency has one big problem, and that is that their new officers aren't passing the mandatory fitness test. It was recently reported that so many new recruits are out of shape that more than a third of them have failed the fitness test in which they must do 15 push-ups, 32 sit-ups, and run 1.5 miles in 14 minutes. Okay. Okay.

That seems low. I actually can't do any of the activity just described. But you're also not trying to brutalize people of color for really existing. You're not an Antifa super soldier. I know. But I'm like, should I be able to run that amount? Like now I'm kind of questioning like my own fitness. Because I could do like if I'm being like a 10 minute mile is pretty casual.

So if you can keep a 10 minute mile pace, you should be able to get through a mile and a half and 14. These ankles at this age? I don't know. You got weak ankles? I don't know. Oh, what happened? Ballet, soccer, ice skating. Ballet, exactly. Yeah, yeah. I've seen it a hundred times. Seen it a hundred times, Nilo. That's why we can't have you out here being a off-licensed PT. How have you seen us a hundred times? Yes, exactly. Allegedly. Okay, I'm not

licensed. No, no. That was off the record. That was off the record. He can give you some off-the-record medical advice. Yes, yes. It's mostly about shrooms. Yeah, it's really bad. It is wild, though, to think, because part of me was like, damn, 15 push-ups and 32 sit-ups. I'm like, maybe I I am an Antifa Super Soldier. You know what I mean? That could be if I could get 15 pushups out. I mean, that's my max. Okay, so I know I'm just making it probably.

But like all of the stories talk about how like in the, I think the Atlantic was the first one to report this. We're talking to some of like these ice officials and like, I've never seen anything like this. Like there are people that ice are like, this is unreal, the riffraff that that's blowing into the academy right now merely because they're trying to meet these quotas. They're even trying to, like, put the physical fitness test earlier in the academy training to immediately root out these people. Because what they end up doing is, like, they waste all this energy getting people up to speed to not know what the Fourth Amendment is.

Then they get to the physical test part. And they're like, what the fuck? First step of the 1.5 mile run. Ah, my ankle. Yeah. No, they say them that. They keep getting compound fractures on the first step of their 1.5 mile run. Apparently that run is, like, the great destroyer of a.

a lot of these candidates who want to play dress up brown shirt. So, you know, there, there's a lot of, a lot of attention happening at ICE because they're even now, they're like, they're saying, like, well, we're even now inviting retired law enforcement and they don't, but they're saying on the condition that they can just self-report that their physical fitness levels, because they're just like, fuck, man, if we can give people that are- Reporting the physical. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did it. It's good.

I'm actually really fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A mile and a half. I probably did that in like seven minutes. Yeah. I'm sitting here laughing. I haven't tried to run that mile and a half and 14 minutes in years. I would, however, be willing to self-report that I can do it easily. Right. Yeah, I'm having a meltdown. Like, I, I'm modified in Pilates today. Do you know what I mean? Like, I can't, I can't do any of this. Pilates is the hardest fucking thing I've ever done. Like, I live. No shame to modify. Palates is so fucking hard. It's tough. It's like we're all in there suffering also a culture of silence because we're, all suffering really silently and then like a man will come and grunt outwardly and we're all just like please like keep that to yourself so I can't keep the ball between my knees it's torture the ladybug boom boom help the first clam shell yeah first time I got in a reformer I was like

how the fuck am I this week like that's I'm that thing and just like a unbroken line of sweat just started like running off of my nose like it was of faucet. That's why I was doing it for a minute because I was so humbled the first time I did. I'm like, oh, this is for real using your body in ways you had it. Like, you're discovering that you can actually strengthen parts of your body. You didn't know existed. Yeah. Soar in places on the inside of my body that I did not know could be sore. This does track. I remember they were like, when remember Dean Kane was like, and I'm going to join Ice. And then they showed him like going through the opposite. What appeared to be like a children's playground obstacle course and just like even during the 10 seconds that they showed the footage of him, he was like ducking thing, like a thing he was supposed to go over. He just like kind of ducked under it. Right. Yeah. There's also that great video brought to us by a citizen journalist of a 10 ice agents who were trying to catch a guy who was not on a butt.

Like he was off his bike, came over, picked up something that they didn't want to. to pick up. He was like, I'm not a U.S. citizen. Yeah, he dropped his phone. He was like, I'm not a U.S. citizen. And then managed to, like, as 10 of them descended on him just like looked like Barry Sanders, like just like completely untouched

through a crowd of people. Nobody had any chance of catching him. As he, like, went from walking to getting on a bike and riding away, they were like, Burr! Keystone cop shit. It was, I mean, this is

I don't know. I mean, like, I guess, again, like with the engineered incompetence and then just seeing the kinds of people that are being attracted by the possibility of brutalizing, you know, people who aren't from this country. I'm glad that it's not our country's best. It's people who are maybe not fully up to the task. But again, when you look at the money, they've spending 700% increase on like their weapons capabilities now. Yeah, I saw that. like warheads they're they're like they have access to now so who knows me i guess maybe they'll make up for it with like some kind of killer robot ice agent or something that Elon Musk can design but yeah it doesn't know how to do kung fu well i take heart in the fact that that's their plan to like cut you Elon will fix it with his fake robot yeah yeah does kung fu like a 65 year old all right let's take a quick break we'll be right back The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News dives deep into one big global business story every weekday. A shutdown means we don't get the data, but it also means for President Trump that there's no chance of bad news on the labor market.

What does a bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich reveal about the economy? Our breakfast foods are consistent consumer staples, and so they sort of become outsize indicators of inflation. What's behind Elon Musk's trillion-dollar payout? There's a sort of concerted effort to message that Musk is coming back. He's putting politics aside. He's left the White House. And what can the PCE tell you that the CPI can't? CPI tries to measure out-of-pocket costs that consumers are paying for things,

whereas the PCE index that the Fed targets is a little bit broader of a measure. Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead. The other tried for murder. Not once. People went wild.

Not twice. Stoned. But three times. John and Ann Bender are written. and attractive, and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular, circular home, high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble,

and our couple retreat from reality. They lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to hell in heaven on the I-heart radio. app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, Here We Go Again, we'll take today's trends and

headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week, one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions. Like, are we heading towards another financial crash like in 08? Is non-monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes early?

We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lili Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially, go really wrong. Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to here we go again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Crying Wolf Podcast is the story of two men bound by injustice, of a city haunted by

its secrets, and the quest for redemption, no matter the problem. price. White victim, female, pretty, wealthy, black defendant. Chicago, a white woman's murder, a black man behind bars for a crime he didn't commit. I got 90 years for killing somebody I have never seen. He says the police are his friends and then that's it. They turn on it. A corrupt detective. How he was interrogated the techniques. That's crazy. A snitch and a life stolen. They got the wrong guy. But on the inside, Lee Harris finds an ally in his sally, Robert, who swears to tell the truth about what happened to Lee and free his friend.

And if you're with me, your goal to, I'll take care of you. I'm going to be with you. You stuck with me for life. Listen to the Crying Wolf podcast, starting on October 22nd, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We talked on yesterday's trending episode about the fact that the extra wing of the White House is being built, the ballroom is being built, which, you know, was one of his great moments in, you know, being a shoulder for the nation to cry on after the assassination of Charlie Kirk when the reporter was like, Mr. President, your good friend died less than 24 hours ago. How are you holding up? He was like, pretty good, actually.

We're building this amazing ballroom you can see over here in case you're wondering why those trucks are there. Just immediately, like, moving it along. So, you know, took note of that, that maybe this guy wasn't as broken up about the assassination of Charlie Kirk as we all thought. Or as he was pretending, I don't think anyone actually believes that he has human emotions. Feelings? No, probably not. But he, again, his lack of human emotions were on display. At the end of last week, he presented Charlie Kirk's widow with a posthumous presidential

medal of freedom for her deceased husband. And also took that moment to, like, talk about how when someone tried to shoot him, he dodged to the bullet. And like, he dodged so good, in fact, that her husband, who was later not able to dodge an assassin's bullet, couldn't believe it. He said, how you do, how you do that, which clearly is just riffing, but, like, to bring up your own escape from assassination, which you and your supporters, by the way, have officially decided means you're protected by God, like that everybody's like, yeah, this is, this meant that God, like, his son was like, yeah, God actually is into my dad. It's not that my dad's into God. God's into my dad, and you can tell because, like, to bring that up in the context of someone.

someone who didn't escape from an assassin's bullet just seems so profoundly fucked up. He does that all the time, though. Like, I remember when there was the guy who was the firefighter that was killed during the Butler, Pennsylvania rally, where Trump, you know, where his ear got nicked by the bullet, he, like, also made a joke about that guy to his wife, like, at a thing when he's like, oh, yeah, that I moved my head. He maybe should have. I think because he has no sense of the value of human life at all.

And he, like, I think everyone, it probably appears as, like, an NPC to him, like a non-playable character in a video game where he's like, and I just say things and they don't have feelings. And this one, he said, uh, he told there a quote, I made a turn at a good time. I made a turn at a good time. I turned to the right. Charlie couldn't believe it, actually. He said, how the hell did you make that turn? I said, I don't know. I made a turn at a good time. I made a turn at a good time. I turned to the right. Charlie couldn't. I was like, what the fuck is he about to say? Yeah. I believe it, actually. Yeah, his only mode, I mean, we've talked before about how on the morning of 9-11 he was bragging about how his building was now the tallest in New York City, which also wasn't true. But, like, he only has one mode, and that's, like, bragging.

It's me. Yeah. Yeah. It's on me mode the whole time. This is kind of new levels of fucked up. Almost impressive. Well, he can't even pretend, like, it's, you know, because obviously the conservative movement needs to make this, like, this sort of, you know, foundational tragedy that they can justify this huge backlash

against anyone who is, I guess, identifies as liberal, left, progressive, whatever, even at this point, anti-capitalist as a precursor to becoming a terrorist, that, yeah, he couldn't even, he can't even keep that up because it's so, even in their minds, it's so flimsy. Like, it's just in service of acting out their sort of agenda rather than anything that's based and like a sincere sense of loss or grief. It's more like, okay, so how can we use this as an opportunity to further erode rights? And you're going to get responses like this from a person who only cares about himself. All right.

On to one more active citizen journalism. Emma Stone's new movie, Bagonia, it's her and Yorgos Lanthamos. So back at it again. Back at it again. Is it good? Like, do we know if it's good? Do we have any? It's getting, like, decent reviews.

It's a 69. Metacritic, which, you know, that's usually, I think that's a good score for a movie like this. If it's like too high, you know, but it might be a little safe, whereas like his movies are weird and fucked up. And so I don't know. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it. So you might have seen the previews where she or her captors shave her head for the part. And a promotion for the movie got a lot of attention. It was an early L.A. screening that invited people to attend but only if they're bald and if attendees weren't already bald there would be a barber on hand to shave their heads thus allowing them entry i feel like that's taking the girlies who

wear the bald caps at pit bull to an extreme right right right right right yeah i'm getting the i'm getting the buzz cut so i can see this early cut of boggogia that's why miles doesn't that's why miles got the one on the side he's a stand and i got to say it stinks it's bad it's all bad uh yeah i'm that's just so funny and gimmicky like i'm also like you're not going to get people to shave their heads in la like you're just like it i i i grew up in the city people are too jaded to be like yeah i'll shave off my hair to go see this free screening but apparently some people did yeah some people did other people as neelow mentioned uh were a rocket with a ball cap that was not very convincing. It's just like a panty hose foot on top of

their head, essentially. And photos from the screening featured a lot of bald caps. So that's, again, you know, can't get shit by these citizen journalists. No, not even your fake promotional stunt. We're like, people had to shave their heads for this. Did that move the needle at all? That's like my other thing. I'm like, what's the point of that? It's already a big film, right? Like, we're already, it's already being hyped. Like, what are they, what promotional edge are they getting from this? I don't get it. Someone, someone like their social, like, PR team had a real bad idea that got approved. It was probably like, and then we can like film it. And everyone's like, Bagonia with their bald heads. It's going to be great. Yeah, I do love to fantasize about being

in meetings where, like something had to go through 10 levels of approval, like Kendall Jenner, Pepsi ad, like being in that room. Sweeney, blue jeans. Yeah, fantasize about knowing how this happened. Like, everyone who thumbsed up, everyone who is C-Ced on the chain, very curious of that read out. My thing is always that there's some token in the meeting that they use to justify whatever.

And they're like, well, what do you think? What do you think, Miles? You're black and Japanese. And I go, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. I'm just trying to get out of here. They're like, I think Miles is cool. What do you think of this idea that was my brainchild, and as the CEO, I've already invested $8.5 million into it. What do you think?

Oh, that? Oh, I love it. I love it. I mean, like, not to sound like I'm shilling for big pit bull, which I'm not, but I swear it's because, like, the girls going to the pit bull concert, dressed like him in the ball caps, become like a whole movement. Like, for sure someone on the Bagoni team saw that was like, we can do this. And it's like you can't because you're not Mr.

Worldwide and it doesn't work that way. You're not Mr. 305. No. We all wish we could be. No, you're Emma Stone. No one is no one's caping for Emma Stone like that. I mean, she's a great performer. But I think it's not the same. It's not meme level, which Pitbull is powered by that where people are like, oh, fuck, yeah.

Watch me wear the suit. I got the bald cap on my. Yeah. Like this would have worked better for easy A. Everyone wear your scarlet A. Everyone wear your little corset. Like this would have worked for that. Yeah.

For sure. Yep. It's just funny because, like, the crowd is just mostly bald dudes. Yeah, it's just bald dudes, being like, I don't know. It's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of people are just like, because I think the stipulation was you either arrive bald or get shaved bald to come in. I know there would be footage of somebody getting shaved bald if they had actually been able to pull that off. But instead, they were just like, I don't know, man, we need a full screening. Put this panty hose foot on your head. Yeah, what was that? Like, what's that conversation where people are like, man, fuck that.

I'm not shaving my head. What do you talking about? I work for the studio. They're like, oh, fuck. These are the people who approved the idea wearing the shitty ball cap. They're like, well, no, no, no. I wouldn't actually do it.

Come on. No, I just got back from Turkey. I paid way too much for this hair line. I can't shave it off right now. It has to heal. Well, Nilo, such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, read you, find the book, all that good stuff.

The book is anywhere where books. books are sold. You can find it in your local bookstore, shop local. You can find me on X at N. Tabrizzi or for more fun on Instagram at Bad Boys to Men and Black Hawk Down. That is my handle. Bad Boys to Men in Black Hawk Down. Well, because I was like, Bad Boys to Men, taken. Bad Boys to Men and Black Hawk down was open. But Bad Boys to Men and Black Hawk down to an Abbey, too long. But I did try to take it to another place. Yeah, black, wow, bad boys to men in black hawk down rodeo. My favorite rage against machine song. Yeah, then that works. Yeah, exactly. Do you like all of those things? Are you, uh, I, I love bad boys. Like I think, bad boys too specifically. Wow.

Yeah. And you got it in there, bad boys to men. Oh, shit. There was a time where I had bad boys, boys to in like three copies of it on DVD. I don't know. I'm not sure why, but it like came into my possession and I had it for a long time. But yeah, I like, I like all this things. I never loved that sound. That's funny, that soundtrack was the soundtrack of the summer I graduated high school. So I fucking like, for whatever reason, that soundtrack is just like the sound of me becoming

like an adult because it came out the summer 2003 and I fucking loved it. Yeah. Damn, it even has the bad boys, too, has the two, the Roman numeral two, just like boys to men. Mm-hmm. Wow. There are layers and levels to this. Yes. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Amazing. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Yes. I was on TikTok and I saw a video of a scare actor in a haunted house and he's like frozen. And these women walk by him. They're trying to figure out where to go.

And they're like, oh, this guy's obviously fake. like his hair line terrible his teeth busted and they're like to his face and he's just frozen there they're like his hands tiny his stature too big i was just like i would simply pass away if i was this guy and he just kind of like sighs he's like your adventure continues this oh my god these are fucking real like they were like they were they were horrified they said all these awful things five million likes can't be wrong and i was cackling and then i was also like if this for me like what do you do like would you apologize i mean like you're like oh my bad they're like i'm so sorry and he was like nope your journey is this like he was still in character i was like

how are you not sobbing like your self-confidence incredible broke character was like nope just let's get past this i'm going through a lot right now so you guys just fucking get out of my face please no he he remained but there was a moment they tried to apologize he's like this way this way Just so you know. Wow. Just say, no, I'm real and I'll hate you for the rest of my life. Incredible. Haunted house, two meanings.

I'll be haunted forever by this interaction. Miles, where can people find you as their work in media? You've been enjoying. Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. I'm talking about 90-day fiancé on 420-day fiancé. That's the other show I do with Sophia, Alexandra, work at media. I like, let me see. Yeah, this one is.

Pretty, I don't know if you saw that, that clip of, like, that guy from, like, Jersey who was, like, antagonizing a bunch of protesters, and then he calls him one to have slur, and then they took his glass and he fell down. This is from at David J. Roth.com, he's got at social says, I take no pleasure in this, but going to a different city with your dumb buddies and getting badly injured because you antagonized a bunch of strangers and fell down twice chasing a 110 pound teenager who stole your sunglasses, actually is North Jersey excellence of a sort. That's right. And then at gormayspud. Dot v.ky. social because, yes, the World Series is between Los Angeles and Toronto. There's another part where Toronto.

What's Toronto? Toronto. You know, man, this is Marfed. This is Gourmet Spud posted, please don't go nuts with Drake Kendrick stuff during the World Series. Toronto as a municipality has moved beyond Drake. If he posts anything, please report him immediately. Wow.

Disrespectful to Drake, dare I say. Yeah. I didn't realize they were like, guys. we don't want to take this hell anymore, you know, this, but Drake? I mean, if you're like a, if you're a sicko sports fan, like you honestly believe that like being associated with a previous loss, like the Drake Kendrick one, is going to curse your team. Like, they're just like, no, no, no, no, don't even say his name in the stadium.

Yeah. What are you doing? Not to mention the somewhat true Drake curse of him donning a uniform and then them losing. That's right. Oh, I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, he did okay with the Raptors that one year. Workimedia, I've been enjoying.

Melissa Lizado Oliva tweeted, Andrew Cuomo. He hates Israel, Zeran. I'm here to talk about affordability, Curtis Sliwa. In 1983 on Coney Island, I was visited by a woman in many scarves. I watched as thousands of cats emerged from her bosom. I taught them all karate. Oh, my God. Unbelievable.

And he's not getting out, right? I know they're doing everything they can to get him out. Yeah, I don't think so. He's like, why would I do that? He lost his primary. Why the fuck would I get out? And he was asked about it. They're like, yeah, exactly.

You know, you're giving votes to go around, whatever. This is what this guy says. And he's just like, in the middle, the interview turned to camera and, like, called out Bill Ackerman was like, he's not right. He lives here, like, la, la, la. He doesn't know it. And I was like, well, like, he. He is going for it.

Yeah. Yeah. Tarray is on too tight. He tried to buy his way on to the professional tennis tour, Bill Ackerman. That was great that he made reference to that. I don't know that we cover that story. We need to just do that as an Evergreen story, one of these times. He literally was like, I'm good at tennis.

I should be able to do that. Andrew Nadeau also tweeted, I need more details about the Louvre Heist because this sounds way too easy. What do you mean they just climbed up and cut a hole in the glass? That's how Bugs Bunny would steal from a museum. And as we talked about on yesterday, day's episode museum heists are generally like the security sucks shit at museums like this is what museum heists are like speaking of bugs bunny the most successful art thief of all time just wore an oversized jacket and stole shit off the wall and put it in his jacket that is how that is

art high it's not it's not thomas crown shit it is bugs bunny shit we haven't had a heist in a long time i know it feels like appreciate it feels like heist film are like propaganda that like keep people from actually attempting something that's quite simple to do. You know what I mean? Because it's interesting because it's like you get even like half an inch

too close to a painting and it's like red alarm like Matrix, lasers. And meanwhile, they were like, oh, they almost took this crown. That was like the one thing they left behind. Right. They got everything else.

Yeah, we talked yesterday about how the biggest art heist ever from a museum happened in Boston and they tripped the alarms and the alarm was going to a different part of the museum. That's where the message that's for the digital security company. Hey, something's going on across the hall.

Okay. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien on blue sky at Jack O'Bee, the number one. You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zykeist. We're at the Daily Zykeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode

wherever you're listening to it. And there at the bottom, you will find the footnotes, which is where We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think that people might enjoy? Yes, I've been playing the video game Ghost of Yote a lot because I like Samurai Tings. But there is a mode in the game called Watanabe mode, which is a, you know, it's a reference to the director of Samurai Shampaloo for people who know that anime.

And that anime is pretty dope because the soundtrack is. is, you know, so much of it was created by this producer, Nujabest, who just does, like, sample-based hip-hop. So you have that aesthetic with, like, the samurai thing, and, like, I love that. So I've just been, there's a, there's a mode where you can have to play Lofi hip-hop, but the tracks just weren't hitting enough. And I've been having to just launch my Spotify alongside the game so I could hear Nujabest tracks. So this is one of my favorite tracks while I play that game.

It's called Battle Cry by Nujabest. It's just great vibey sample-based hip-hop. obviously very inspired by Jay Dilla's production style. So if that makes any, if that, if that, you know, entices you, I encourage you to check it out. Battlecry by NUJemS. We will link off to it in the footnotes. The Daily Zikeyes is a production of IHeartRadio for more podcasts from IHartRadio,

visit the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning, but we're back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will talk to y'all then. Bye. Bye. The Daily Zite Guys is executive produced by Catherine Long. Co-produced by Bay Wang.

Co-produced by Victor Wright. Co-written by J.M. McNabb. Edited and engineered by Justin Conner. The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News keeps you on top of the biggest stories of the day. My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day. Stories that move markets. Chair Powell opened the door to this first interest rate cut.

Impact politics, change businesses. This is a really stunning development for the AI world and how you think about your bottom line. Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Johnny Knoxville here. Check out Crimless, Hillbilly Heist, my new true crime podcast from Smartless Media, Campside Media, and Big Money Players.

It's the true story of the almost perfect crime and the Nimrods who almost pulled it off. Kind of like the perfect storm in a sewer. That was dumb. Do not follow my example. Listen to Crimless, Hillbilly Heist on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Cal Penn, and on my new podcast, here we go again. We'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? Each week, I'm calling up my friends, like Bill Nye, Lily Singh, and Pete Buttigieg, to talk

Talk about everything from the space race to movie remakes to psychedelics. Put another way, are you high? Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Two rich young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over, but one of them will end up dead and the other tried for murder. three times. It starts with a dream, a nature reserve and a spectacular new home. But little by little, they lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out

of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Thank you.