The Daily Zeitgeist - Colin Jost: Working Class Hero, How To Ruin McDonald’s Fries 11.20.18

Episode Date: November 20, 2018

In episode 278, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Nick Turner to discuss an Instagram mother shouting out her son his birthday, new Cheesy Bacon Fries at McDonalds, criticism Colin Jost is receiving for his comments about Amazon HQ coming to New York, plus a call with Jose Ortiz Jr., Executive Director of the NYC Employment and Training Coalition, to discuss the problems that comes along with Amazon entering the city, the White House Correspondent's Dinner deciding to no longer have comedians on, the conspiracy theory about the take down of Gary Hart, and more!FOOTNOTES: 1. Omg this Instagram mommy blogger is celebrating her sons bday by writing about how out of all her kids, he “statistically” performs the worse on her Instagram. And she’s worried one day it will ruin his self esteem2. McDonald’s teases with Cheesy Bacon Fries3. 'Saturday Night Live' Star Colin Jost Comes Under Heavy Criticism Over 'Weekend Update' Comments4. The New York Hustle of Amazon’s Second Headquarters5. AMAZON HQ2 WILL COST TAXPAYERS AT LEAST $4.6 BILLION, MORE THAN TWICE WHAT THE COMPANY CLAIMED, NEW STUDY SHOWS6. Michelle Wolf: WH Correspondents’ Association ‘Cowards’ For Ditching Comedy7. Was Gary Hart Set Up?8. WATCH: Little Dragon - Lover Chanting (Official Video) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Do it. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 58, Episode 2 of Der Daily Zeitgeist! The podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness using the headlines, box office reports, TV ratings, what's trending on Google and social media. It's Tuesday, November 20th. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. I don't practice Jack O'Brien. I don't got no crystal ball. I bet I'm not even up at all.

That is courtesy of Not Your Real Dads. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. I can show you hot takes. Shining, shimmering Ted Cruz. Tell me, Miles, now, when did you last let your... Wait, shit. Wait. No retakes.

No retakes. Let your heart decide a zeitgang world. A dazzling gray I never knew. But when I'm way up here, it's crystal clear that now I'm in a second-rate cast with... Now I'm in a second-rate cast. That is from Hannah Soltis. As Soltis Hannah.

It's over already? Yeah. You know, I could have got my favorite part of that is when don't you dare close your eyes. But that is not in that. But yeah, Hannah Soltis, as Soltis Hannah. Shout out to you. You got the dramatic sing speaking going like you were part of the Broadway adaptation of Aladdin. Big Alan Menken fan.

Big Alan Menken fan. He's the ghost. I thought maybe, by the way, for people who don't realize, Ted Cruz insisted, the reason Miles was dropping Ted Cruz in there, he's not really part of the lyrics, in case you weren't aware.

It's because he, Ted Cruz insisted that that song be played on CD at his wedding. Like they had a band. And he was like, no, they can't do a Latin. No, they don't know how to do a Latin. Just play the CD. Anyways, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious comedian Nick Turner.

You know my name's Nick Turner. Because he is cool and he is me. He is going to park with you today. Let's get started All right, damn Woo-hoo-hoo Yes That was pretty good

Finally That was selling Nick Turner Yeah Bring the energy Come to the stage Oh, well, Nick, welcome You've sat there for a long time

Not being able to say anything For reasons we won't talk about Because his mom called My mom called And berated him there for a long time not being able to say anything for reasons we won't talk about. Because his mom called and berated him on his Christmas gift choices of years past. Dressed me down. All right. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment, and I swear we will let you talk. But first, we're going to tell our listeners what we're talking about. We're talking about the best mom on Instagram just shouting out to her child on that child's birthday. We're going to talk about

Mickey D's testing out cheesy bacon fries. We're going to talk about SNL's super lit joke about how people are whiny bitches for complaining about

Amazon coming to New York City with their HQ2. We are going to talk about how the White House has decided no comedians for this year's White House Correspondents Association. Correspondents Association dinner.

No comedians. They're going to have a historian instead. As if historians are more happy with what Trump has done to the country. And we're going to shout out Cards Against Humanity. We're going to talk about Gary Hart. We're going to talk about Havana, all of that and more. But first, Nick, what is something from your search history

that's revealing about who you are? Oh, yes. I just looked. And what I was most interested in this weekend was stuffing recipes. Stuffing recipes. And most of the Google searches were for what bread is best to use in stuffing. Oh, okay. And I had to Google it so many times because people don't have opinions.

Every recipe just says bread. Right, right. And I'm like, I know that there's plenty of types of bread. Right. And I know that some bread's better than others. Yeah. Right. Stop screwing with me.

Yeah. And so you got to scroll and you got to search. Crispy cream glazed donuts, right? I wish. I wish. Bagels is a popular one. Is it? I did not see many donuts.

Oh, damn. I think that might be too sweet. But white bread. How boring. It almost makes me not want to make it. I know. That's the sweet. But white bread. How boring. It almost makes me not want to make it. I know. That's the answer? Is white bread?

White bread. Just like Wonder Bread? Weber's? Just Roman meal? Well, one said Martin's potato bread. Maybe I'll try to get that. That sounds a little more interesting. Some challah.

Yeah, challah was high. But not as high as white. Wow. Challah was high. Hello. Well, I see. Interesting. Wait, so you're going to hand make it.

You're not doing the janky box Marie Callender stove type shit. I like to cook. I like this. Yeah. And I got invited to a Thanksgiving dinner from someone who is a great cook and who I've had a dinner party over at her house before and was the best. Oh, so you've got to come with it. Got to come with it. Hot luck, you better come with it.

So we lost two greats, Anthony Bourdain, Jonathan Gold. Right. And so I looked up Anthony Bourdain's recipe, and then Jonathan Gold had a lot of suggestions as well, incorporating them both, but neither one of them had a bread suggest. That's weird. I know. You know what? I'm sure the Zeitgang has an idea. These people who listen to the show, I mean,

there's some culinary experts out there. Okay. I wonder if it's – does it help that it's crustier? Is it about the flesh of – you know, it's inside? Because I do like some crust to it. Like sometimes when you get that real chewy piece of stuffing because it just like to be mush really for me i'm i'm disturbed yeah well i mean i just you know it's like once it's all hard you know because you just got to stale it yeah uh then i think just nothing really matters anymore yeah it's just like crap bread

nothing really matters matters to me. What is something you think is overrated? Bohemian Rhapsody. No. No, it couldn't be less. I'm a big fan of theatrics, and I love what the guys are doing over there. And doing the most. Doing the most.

Shout out to Freddie Mercury for doing the most. That should just be the definition of doing the most. Bohemian Rhapsody. No, for overrated recently, I've been thinking a lot about happy birthdays. Just saying happy birthday. Wishing someone a happy birthday, especially on social media,

but even in real life. What could matter less? And also, what are the odds that that person's jazzed that they're older? Yeah. I like it. The way we celebrate this youth culture. Right.

You know? We've rotted people's minds, and then we go around being like, hey, congrats on getting older. Right. You jerk. I know that you're taking a dig. Right. You jerk. I know that that's, you know, you're taking a dig. Right. They're like more

elaborate God bless you's in some ways. The happy birthday, it's just like a formality like, oh, God bless you. Oh, happy birthday. Oh, it's your birthday? Happy birthday, man.

Yeah. I like on sometimes if it's someone you haven't heard from in a while, you know, especially because sometimes friendships

can wane a little bit and then you haven't heard and then someone's like, hey, man, happy birthday. man happy birthday like that's right okay we love each other still well yeah sure okay yeah if you get like a phone call yeah yeah yeah from like a friend you've been wanting to talk to oh you're just talking about the casual like hey hbd man gotta go oh my god i mean on facebook you know i mean i'm obviously a bit of a celebrity so i get um yeah i wish you happy birthday. Thank you very much.

I know you didn't like that shit, but whatever. I certainly didn't. I'm actually made it... I'm such a hater, but I announced on Facebook that I certainly did not read everyone. I know.

You know, you got it. But especially like the... Coming back the next day and be like, thanks for all the happy birthdays, y'all. Yeah. Just to let you know if you didn't get it in, now's the time.

Right. In the comments, hop in. Comment, my birthday's extended. Yeah, I'm going to put this back up into your timeline so that you're. See, that's the one part I fucked up by leaving Facebook, really. I know that a lot of people, that's where I would get the most interactions with people is on my birthday on Facebook. And this was the first year I didn't even just bother to go back to do like,

shout out to everyone who said happy birthday. Because I can't have fuckerberg just stealing my information. He can't know that you're grateful for those happy birthdays. He can't know my birthday that I entered voluntarily to his website. I feel like Facebook, first and foremost, is a birthday reminder machine. That's all it's good for at this point. Hey, this person's having a birthday that you forgot existed since high school. What is something you think is underrated?

Underrated? Counting votes in elections. Yeah. Who'd have thought? I still am flabbergasted that they are not counting them. They're not going to do it. They're not going to do it in Florida. They're not going to do it they're not going to do it in florida they're not going to do it anywhere they just there's military ballots there's plenty of writing about that or mailing ballots that they've stated they can't count and that they never will

i say next election we we don't find out any results for a month we give everyone time to count it we don't get anything trickling in no returns on election nothing interesting and then you just got bozos being like that that uh that signature doesn't match i'm not going to count that it's just some guy right just some volunteer that is insane and plus that would create jobs because there would if you gave a month to count there would be entire like legal industries of people just being like, well, you can't count that one. Right, right, right. Yeah.

Yeah. And I do want to give more jobs to lawyers. Yeah. We need more of those. Don't you think? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Fucking around with them. Just keep them fucking busy with other shit. Well, there were like, what, like over a hundred lawyers on the ground in Florida for the Republicans? Yeah. And even more in the air. Yeah. Just hovering. It was not here. They couldn't fit yeah just ready to ready to land but not

quite wanting to commit to it i mean yeah votes are a tricky thing because if you count them and then the thing the result is not the one you want then they suck right so i get it yeah you don't know i don't know but they did stop short and like that's what happened to the 2000 election that i hadn't really remembered is that like the republicans were arguing to stop the recount so just like stop counting these votes that they like that the machine couldn't make sense of it's like that's that's like didn't want to count votes that's like a horse uh horse race gambling addict's dream is like if they're like the order of the race is as they want it maybe maybe in the home stretch, just end the race right there. I don't care who's coming up the back.

Nope, I don't need that, because that'll fuck up my exacto that I got going right now. Right, right. Yeah. They flipped like half a dozen races this week from the projected winner. Yeah. I just feel like in the history,

it's like half the people who got elected, it was probably wrong. Yeah, could you imagine? I can't imagine. George Washington, no way. No way, that asshole. No way. Congrats on the revolution.

It was definitely his opponent. Yeah, yeah. Michael Dukakis, I think it was. You know, back in George Washington's day and some of the first presidential elections they used to have like voting parties where like they would have open bars at the ballot box and that's how you would get people to come and like you would only vote at like

the Democratic place or the Republican place and whoever had the more like lit party was the place where you would go to vote and that's how they got people to vote. But then like the Tammany holidays you would just have vote and that's how they got people to vote but then like the tammany hall days you would just have people like beating the shit out of you like get your ass up and vote for boss tammany boss too you motherfucker yep welcome to tammany hall uh at least those votes were counted

at least the 18 guys that were allowed to vote were able to cast their ballots and the other ones they got a free drink as promised. Right. Yeah, I got some alert that was like the unknown Republican rock star lawyer who headed up the recount in Florida. And I started reading and I was like, I just don't hate myself this much to read about a Republican lawyer who won the election for them. But it's some young woman who won it for the Republicans. Congratulations to you. Well, if only they could have had her in every state. Right. They got a wallop in every gubernatorial race. There's only one of them. And finally, what's a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? Okay, here we go. This kind of has something to do with my stuffing plan. Okay. But this is what a lot of people don't know, and I only found out recently, and it was very exciting to me, and it has made my life tastier.

Okay. Pork can be pink. Ooh. You do not have to cook pork to wait his wife. I thought you were talking about something about pork in a can. Okay. Pork, yes. Can be pink in the middle and safe to eat.

Yes. Okay, pork, yes, can be pink in the middle and safe to eat. Yes, yes. Previously, they said you had to cook pork to 160 degrees, which means that it would turn white. Right. But recently, seven years ago, but I just found out today. Sounds like you read a lot of white supremacist cooking. White bread, cook pork until it's white. It's white.

No, this is like, this is going to ruin them. Their favorite white meat. The other one. Don't even think it's all pinko communist. Chicken's for everyone, but pork's just for the boys. That's what the KKK slogan is. But no, it can be pink and tastier, and it's changed the way I've been living my life. It has.

And honestly, I may be eating the pork too pink because I don't have a thermometer. Yeah. But I just get excited. You look a little green. I say, it's pink. Must be ready. And then I rip my fingers into it. Yeah.

Just out of the oven. People always tell me that about chicken, that it has to be white. And I'm just like, fuck that, man. Well, that didn't change. A little pink. A little pink on the inside, medium rare. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, you're talking about even cooking it?

Okay. All right, 1920. You ever just eat some raw chicken, though? Have you seen the chicken tartare? Yeah, they have it in Japan. The pictures of it? I still don't think it's real. There's chicken sashimi you can eat.

I mean, I don't. Okay. I mean, I guess there is. I mean, I was in the hospital for three weeks, but I ate it. Do they really have that? Yeah, there is chicken sashimi. That's wild. For a certain, yeah, for a certain kind of chicken you can't eat.

What kind of chicken? A chicken that was recently burned in a fire? No, it's like some kind. I don't know. A chicken of the sea? I think it's so fresh that it, let me actually look because I don't want to. He's just eating tuna thinking, I knew it. No, no, no.

There's a few people that do it. I don't know. It's just they'll sear it a little bit on the outside. Chicken tartare. Yeah. All right. Well, I was joking, but apparently real cooks know what the deal is. I mean, I don't think it's for everybody.

I can't get over looking at raw chicken and thinking, that's raw chicken. Yeah. Not like fish, you know. I can get done with that. All right. Let's get into what's going on today. And a story that just jumped to the top of my page on social media is this Instagram mom who- Wait, what's an Instagram mom? I guess she's a mommy blogger.

Okay, got you. Who has an Instagram presence that is like part of her brand. Okay. who has an Instagram presence that is part of her brand. And I just want to read this post that she put up because it's her son's birthday, and she wanted to worship a happy birthday. The first page is just a normal, thankful for Weston today.

My Weston was just the best baby, cuddly, blah, blah, blah. The normal birthday wishes, what a great hugger he is. Then she says, next paragraph, guys, I'm going to be perfectly honest. Instagram never liked my munchkin and it killed me inside. His photos never got as many likes, never got comments. From a statistical point of view, he wasn't as popular with everyone out there. Maybe part of that was the pictures just never hit the algorithm right. Part might be because he was the, quote, baby for a very short amount of time.

LJ came along, and then I guess he's the oldest. And people like babies. I say all that because I want to believe that it wasn't him, that it was on me. My insufficiency caused this statistical deficit because obviously my munchkin should get all the love, and squinty eyes are totally adorable. She just said that he has squinty eyes in like a backhanded way. So can we do this right? Because I truly know that my munch deserves all the likes, whether or not a stranger gives it to them. And on his sixth birthday, I am thankful that I know that. That no matter what other people

think of me or my kids or my marriage or my house, blah, blah, blah, that they are 1,000 times better in real life than any tiny little picture could hold. So she kind of steered it a little bit. I've never met someone so secure in herself. I know. Holy shit.

Ugh. Wait, what about this postscript? P.S. I wanted to clarify that I revealed this feeling because I know that one day he will see the numbers and have to learn that his value is not in online approval. This is a hard lesson for anyone to learn. And I'm thankful I have learned it. No, you have not. Yo, leave this alone. Oh, my God.

I hope you all can be understanding and not take things out of context or believe that this in any way affects how I see or treat my children. All comments and well wishes I read to the birthday boy. All comments. So that's a threat. Like, don't write negative comments because all comments and well wishes I read to the birthday boy. The whole thing is don't make me shatter this boy's confidence.

Don't put some hot comments in there. It's time to read the comments. This guy looks like an Irish trucker. Your face is not symmetrical. This part about how she's like, and part of me really wants to believe that it wasn't him. Is like, that makes it seem like, but we all know the truth. It is him. He's a defective child.

Exactly. And she's clearly operating in a world where there's a correlation between likes and the kid's worth, which is why it's eating her up. If she didn't give a fuck, there would be no post. But the fact that you're pointing this out means she probably talked with the father and it's like, I don't know, like Weston just. He doesn't score very well. Is it his hairstyle?

Should we dress him in more like, like Supreme style? He's not getting nearly as many likes as the Doubletree and the Marriott, our other two kids. And she clearly has decided that his problem is his squinty eyes because she said, my insufficiency caused this statistical deficit because obviously my munch should get all the love and squinty eyes are totally adorable. Oh, poor kid. And like talking about her like fanciful thinking on this. That like, oh, you know,

I want to believe that people will excuse his squinty little stupid eyes. Can you read the comments from Child Protective Services? She really... They're like, delete this eyes. Can you read the comments from Child Protective Services? She really... They're like, delete this now. See you on Tuesday. Man, it's going to be worse for her son to read this than anything retrospectively.

In her mind where she thinks he's so obsessed with his likes on her Instagram page. I'm like, Mom, what happened? Also, he's six. He could read this now. Yeah, and the problem is now this post will probably, I don't know, yeah, it's getting somewhat viral. Yeah.

Like if it comes back to school, they're like, hey, dude, what's up with your mom? Yeah. Whatever. Hey, what's up, bro? Come on into the six-year-old locker room. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this.

Yo, what's up, squinty eyes? Hey, squints, get over here. Yeah, that's your name now. And then we also just wanted to put on everybody's radar something that's actually bubbling a little bit below the zeitgeist right now, but McDonald's is testing cheesy

bacon fries. Well, I don't know. They say they're not. Okay. The full story is if you live in Hawaii or Modesto or Stockton california the golden triangle as we call it right there right now the mcdonald's they're served like loaded cheesy bacon fries now if you look at these shits they don't look that good they look like just paint and bacon bits from a salad bar on top of mcdonald's fries but to be fair that that's not picture from mcdonald's if it was no fair, that's not a picture from McDonald's.

If it was McDonald's, that's how their food looks. The one that McDonald's... Here, I'll show you the McDonald's one. If you just take a regular picture with your iPhone of McDonald's food, that's how it's going to look. The McDonald's one is so nice. It's on like artisanal... It's like on like butcher paper with like a nice pile and the bacon looks real.

Now, okay, so they're saying that this is not a test, but there was like some dude who was like got has his finger on the pulse of McDonald's is like, well, Modesto and Stockton have been used as test markets for like larger national rollouts before. So I don't buy it one bit. Will we see cheesy fries in 2019? Maybe. But McDonald's, you know, they have like they do do regional things like this, like in New New England, people get the lobster roll sometimes. McRib isn't always across the country. They had Gilroy garlic fries a couple years ago in Northern California. So, yes, it could just be a regional thing.

But if you want to put on your X-Files hat and you can say, well, Modesto and Stockton have been used in the past for testing, then maybe it is coming. But I don't know. They look like shitty animal fries to me. I'm not really. I don't know. I'll eat it, though. I'm going to try it. I'll eat it. I'll eat it every day. I'll eat it every day. Oh, for sure. I'm eating it is coming. But I don't know. They look like shitty animal fries to me. I'm not really. I don't know. I'll eat it though.

I'm going to try it. I'll eat it. I'll eat it every day. I'll eat it every day. Oh, for sure. I'm eating it right now. The bacon just looks like it's just straight up salad bar bacon.

Yeah, bacon bits. As opposed to the Applewood smoked ham hocks that they throw on their dollar meal. Right. Yeah. The other thing too is you can't travel with loaded fries. Even animal fries.

I got to eat those shits as quickly as possible from in and out. You know what I mean? Because the cheese starts to harden up, and then it just – it's not a – I don't know. Maybe they figured a way to – You have to eat them in handfuls. Yeah. And I like to wear latex gloves when I eat them. You do wear those, yes.

Yeah, but they don't use preservatives. They just put a potato in there that in and out right right right they just chomp that so but mcdonald's you know everything's got preserved you could eat a year later oh you can eat a year later the tech is still just as hot somehow yeah uh yeah i mean i think it just depends on how successful the product launch is, right? Like whether it goes national. They're like, no, it was just regional, but that's probably because it didn't test that well and people didn't like it as much. Maybe, could be. But I think, I don't know. I don't think McDonald's lets regions freelance very much, right?

They're not like, yeah, give it a shot. No, no, I think they're like, hey, we ordained this thing that you can sell here. Do they have that cheese sauce in anything else? I don't think there's cheese sauce on anything else. It's usually just slices of American cheese. I feel like you could make it yourself, but maybe not. Right. The second they approve this, they will become the biggest buyer of cheese sauce in the world.

Yeah, I'm sure Big Cheese is pushing hard for this, lobbying hard for this. Well, probably not Big Cheese, because there's no cheese in those cheese sauces. Right, that's true. Oh, right, big oil and water. And pigs are just fucking terrified right now. Yeah, they're like, oh, God. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we're going to actually get an old friend of mine on the phone. We're going to call him up right now. Jose. Nice. Hey, Jack. What's up, man? How we doing? get an old friend of mine on the phone we're gonna call him up right now jose nice hey jack what's up man how we doing you got jack oh that's great good stuff and miles what's going on hey miles how you doing good man are you are you like nine feet tall yes he's a giant holy shit see his

fucking hand i looked at nick the second I heard your voice I was like what the fuck Is fucking Paul Bunyan on this phone Hey Jack Let's not fuck around and get to business here Alright Great voice And we also have Nick who is a stand up comedian

Oh am I on Hi Hey Nick Sorry everyone Alright Jose Ortiz Jr. A.K.A. Jim A.K.A. The Juice A.K.A. Wait, did you say your name is OJ? Which is what some girls say to him at the Kentucky Derby. Employment and Training Coalition and was my roommate for five of my worst years. Not bad in terms of not enjoying them, but just not in my best shape. You had to do a lot of work. But Jose, we have you in here to talk to us about the news, specifically Amazon coming to Long Island City. You've been rejoicing, I know, for weeks. But yeah, you've been talking to, you were in the Wall Street Journal

and a couple other places talking about kind of the different ways that this can go for New York City and the fact that this isn't just a straightforward, great thing. And then SNL over the weekend made a joke basically saying anybody who complains about Long Island City getting the HQ2 is a whiny bitch. So Colin Jost called you a whiny bitch. Do you care to respond? I can validate that I am. No, I think generally speaking, you know, the noise about Amazon is coming from actually real places. These are people who live in a community that overall has been pretty marginalized for forever. And, you know, in recent years, it's come into a place where they're now, you know, because of space and being a waterfront property here in New York City, there's a kind of renewed interest in using it as a way to attract,

you know, bigger businesses, which is all exciting. And it's not necessarily a bad thing for the city. But I think, you know, for my state and the role that I play here in the city, as really being an advocate on behalf of, you know, anyone who is out of the mainstream, you mainstream, the average New Yorker, people of color, immigrants, women, those without college degrees that lack access to jobs and job training. For those individuals that live in the community, this can be a little bit scary. And so I think here at the coalition,

we're not necessarily anti-Amazon moving into this space, but we are definitely pro making sure that individuals that reside in the community have opportunities to receive proper job training and also be included in the pool of people that might be considered for jobs at a company like Amazon. And when you hear things like $150,000 average annual income, that doesn't speak to the average person here in the city and makes us concerned. Right. So, I mean, does Amazon have a track record of, you know, employing people of different socioeconomic backgrounds or what? Have you guys done any research into sort of what their track record's like in Seattle and other places i mean their track record unfortunately in seattle and other places has not uh um it's

not anything to to you know get excited about i think it you know which is part of the reason why you know our our focus is you know being hyper focused on really on ensuring that that as they start to really build out this plan for it because because, you know, remember, this is just, they've just chosen a location. Now it's really up to us and the average New Yorker and the city to really ensure that they, that they really follow through what they've promised. And I think their coming to the city

is really in an effort to say, hey, we want to come to, you know, the most diverse place in the world. Queens is literally the most diverse county in America and the most diverse place in the world. Queens is literally the most diverse county in America and the most diverse place in the world. So, you know, how do we ensure that Amazon becomes a reflection of the community here in New York City and in Queens? And so, no, they haven't had that track record. We're not saying that they're not, you know, I believe that if we get our people together and we mobilize effectively, we can get them to that place, but it's not going to come without intense pressure and really strong collaboration.

Yeah. We want to get more queens in Amazon and not just have Amazon steamroll queens into an Amazon office complex or whatever. That's right. And the other, this is not, Amazon is just a larger reflection of the larger tech ecosystem. You know, most of these businesses and companies are just not particularly diverse. There's been an increased interest in diversity and equity and inclusion initiatives over the years. And that's in part because they've been so terrible at it.

But, you know, we see that we really do want the city to become an ecosystem that, you know, rivals, you know, the West Coast and San Francisco in terms of the tech ecosystem there, but in a way that is thoughtful and includes the people that live and reside in the city. And we've seen how badly and poorly this can go in terms of not including when you add new businesses and invite new businesses and economic development is not aligned to communities that exist in the area, we've seen how badly that can go for a community. Like San Francisco, you mean? That's exactly right. Where you're now creating taxes to either incentivize hiring

or to ensure that certain populations are protected. And we could very well be that 10 years, 15 years from now. And we need to be very proactive when we think about how to develop a community. OJ, I have a question. What is sort of like ideally, right, knowing that I think most people who are sort of pay attention to the rise of Amazon have seen that, yeah, they're not quite ideal work situations or integrating into cities that they operate in. Like, what are sort of things like if you, you know, if you had Bezos's ear, what are the kinds of things that, you know, are most urgent in terms of how you view Amazon coming

to Long Island City that Amazon should be doing? I mean, obviously, these are like in an ideal world. What are the kinds of things that Amazon could be doing to be more responsible as, you know, a new neighbor in the city? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, one of the things is really to to focus on hiring people from not just specifically from community, but working with organizations that provide job training for specific types of jobs at the company. for specific types of jobs at the company. So, you know, even the biggest tech companies in the world are not entirely tech-focused, right? Their staff, their employees are a wide variety of different skill sets that align in different spaces.

So in part of the coalition, my organization, what we have is 150 members, which are organizations throughout the city and throughout Queens that provide very specific skill training to get people into jobs. So, you know, Amazon is a retail company. It's not just a tech company. It's a retail company.

It's a food and beverage distribution. It's lots of different things. So how do we get people that have experience in those individual spaces employed into those jobs at Amazon? And how do we get you to work with these specific organizations that are going to train people to be the best possible talent in each one of those areas? So I would ask them to just keep an open mind, to assume that the pipeline for individuals coming into your workforce is not just coming from the most elite universities in the world or the most

elite universities even in New York City, but that people and talent exist everywhere. So that would be the starting point. Yeah, I agree that Amazon is a big enough company. It's almost its own nation. It probably has all sorts of different jobs, but I feel like Bezos is primarily in the making grown men cry business in the sense that everybody who works for Amazon says it's just like this hellscape

where everybody's just terrified for their job. And I don't know. It seems like the way they dominate is by making everybody work incredibly difficult hours to just shave every margin until you can get your package of Tide Pods. Or, yeah, men's butt wipes. I mean, and this is a legit fear. I mean, in terms of, like, for instance, you know, I was at a Queen's Chamber of Commerce event on Friday, and they have, you know, the majority of businesses in Queens are,

and majority meaning 81% of those businesses are small businesses. So they are also, you know, pretty afraid. It's not just individuals, but they're also businesses that are, you know, genuinely concerned about a large entity like Amazon that has, you know, to some degree, not been the best player or friend of the small business sector on moving in this space. Plus, you know, you have an organization that is now going to be looking for somewhere between 25,000 and 40,000 new employees in one physical location.

So it's going to suck up talent all throughout the city. So we really have to be very hyper-focused, very intentional in how we get more people into the workforce and not just import talent into the city. All right, man. Well, uh, I know you have to go meet with the mayor or deputy mayor or whatever. And, uh, I told you what, uh, what to tell him.

You sound like a jerk. Uh, yeah, no, you're big time, man. That's cool. That we used to be friends. Well, Hey, he was gracious enough to bless us with his presence on this second-rate podcast. All right, Jose. Thanks, guys. Appreciate you having me on. Good talking to you, man.

All right, that was Jose Ortiz Jr. Someone really thought he was OJ? They heard his name Jose as OJ? OJ, yeah, exactly. Ortiz Jr. is OJ. He was at the Kentucky Derby, so sound, there was a lot of noise. Everybody was very drunk, and also I think she had never met a person of color before. Okay, and so her only frame of reference was OJ.

Yeah, exactly. He is free. He could be somewhere. So let's just talk real quick about hq2 in uh long island city long island city is uh i've lived there nick you're saying you've lived there before uh i only lived there for a year but in the year that i lived there the city like i saw huge changes like buildings went up in the year that i lived there it was like crazy how much it was just turning into a condominium-opolis from what used to be like a lot of warehouses and shit. Dog parks.

Yeah. I lived there for five years up until last year. Oh, wow. And I also had a couple of friends that moved there like when people started to move there like 15 years ago yeah when the first high rise went up right that first avalon they were like giving out three months free rent for people to go in there because there was no one there um and uh i can say this long island city was never a neighborhood right you know it was just warehouses and like they left and there was an open there was you was an open – it just happened to be so close to the city.

It's one local stop to Grand Central Station. Yeah. And one local stop to Brooklyn. It's in the middle of everything. And I'm so happy Amazon is moving there because when I say that I lived in Long Island City, people think I lived in Long Island. Yeah. And then I have to explain to explain no it's a great place to live but now i don't have to do all that bullshit i can say amazon i lived in uh the penthouse

at amazon hq there you go like wow cool yeah i know where that is yeah so let me read the uh exact text of the colin jost joke so he started started out calling people who are complaining about getting the HQ whiny bitches because jobs. And they said, it's like complaining about winning the lottery. All the cities who lost out must be like, shut up, you whiny bitch. New York basically won the lottery and more like, but the subways might be slightly more crowded. Meanwhile, people in West Virginia are like, well, back to the mines. slightly more crowded. Meanwhile, people in West Virginia are like,

well, back to the mines. Yeah, I know it's going to raise housing prices, but it's a little late for New Yorkers to complain about rent. I mean, even Amazon had to move to Queens because it couldn't afford to live in Manhattan. Oh, tight. Yeah, tight. Man, Colin Jost, man of the people.

Yeah. You know, because he came up very rough as a child. I remember he was living on the streets. He's the son of a doctor and an engineer went to private school on the upper east side of manhattan went to harvard and was hired out of harvard at snl immediately so he's been around oh yeah i mean look what life is like on the stars ash on his face right chimney sweeping but what the fuck i don't know that's such a disconnected take on all of this. Like, does he not read any other news about what, like, what Amazon in a city does to, like, the local community or anything? Yeah. Is he just purely looking and is like, hey, man, Amazon, another cool thing that'll probably be great.

And I'm sure it'll bring some kind of development. But it's a very complicated puzzle piece. But it's a very complicated puzzle piece to manage. I think he should have explained much further, gone way more into depth about the nuances of this. In maybe a 20 to 30 minute piece. Right. And I can't believe he just decided to tell a joke and get the hell out of there. I know.

But I do support all comedians. There you go. I wonder if, is he still with Scarlett Johansson? Scarjo? Scarjoist? Yeah. We're all just jealous. Yeah, so he must be having a terrible week. Yeah, he's just terrible.

You could go and cry about this into Scarlett Johansson's bosom. Yeah. I know. And she's probably like, that was a sick joke, honestly. I love it. That's a sick joke, honey. But the reason that some people might be pissed other than the things that jose was talking about is that the city and state offered amazon at least 1.5 billion dollars in

tax breaks so it's the equivalent of every city resident venmoing 348 dollars to bezos so holy shit it's less like winning the lottery and more like buying a PS4 and then giving it away to a billionaire. PS4 Pro. Right. Not even a regular one. Exactly. You game it in 4K or up-resed.

And some people are saying that it actually is going to cost more than that over the long run. How funny would it be if they made everyone actually mail him 340 come on pay up part of your taxes this year you have to send your tribute collectors come around just big like i say if you want to if you want to stick it to amazon take 340 and go to the creek in the cave in long Island City, the number one comedy venue in New York, and spend $340 there.

Wow. There you go. And then also pay him $348. You're legally obligated to do that. Or else you're going to go to jail. But get some tacos first. Super producer Nick Stumpf was saying, I mean, isn't there the argument that it's going to bring in a certain amount of money in tax revenue to the city?

And that may be true. I think the argument I've heard is that compared to the replacement level business that would exist in the Long Island city area, they will not pay as many taxes as otherwise the city would be pulling in because of all these tax breaks that they've given out. So the benefits, I think, mainly go to the highly educated people who are employed at Amazon and the people who got Amazon to come, but not necessarily to the rest of the city and the people who benefit off of public assistance. Yeah, well, I mean, their tax breaks. I mean, didn't Cuomo come out and say, it's not a giveaway?

Right. Which I'm not sure what he meant, because I think he was arguing over the fact that some people were characterizing it that it was a billion dollars when it was more like 900 million. I just think I'm so bored by the choice of Crystal City and Long Island City.

Crystal City, by the way, which just sounds like an old west town. Yeah. Which didn't have a store in it. Yeah, it sounds like a place you'd drive through on Cruising USA. Oh, man, the Hummer, if you pressed the honk horn button, it would fire the machine gun. But it's like, okay, so they did an entire nationwide search to find another city, and then they decided to set up shop at the two biggest biggest most influential cities opposite coast like right right you didn't do it of course you were going there right yeah well they were saying it wasn't necessarily like they were using

the hq title to sort of entice companies to giving tax breaks right and like when more or less some people were describing this as like another branch and office rather than like the brainstem of the whole thing yeah they basically turned the idea of opening a bunch of office buildings in a city into like the willy wonka golden ticket giveaway like everybody was like please sir just move your headquarters here and he's like all right we're gonna split it up between two of you and actually three. They're opening like some smart offices in Nashville. So when you look at it at that scale, it's like, oh, so you're just opening an office here like that. Yeah. Like you're just we give you wild tax breaks. Yeah. Wait, they're opening smart offices in Nashville. Yeah. Something like that. They call it. I forget. The dumb ones are in. Right. The dumb

ones are in New York. So that's where we're going to store idiots. They call it, I forget. The dumb ones are in New York? Right, the dumb ones are in New York. Okay, cool. So that's where we're going to store our idiots. We already got them. Yep. Aren't they calling it, what is it called? Oh, Operation Center of Excellence in Nashville. Yes, Operation Center of Excellence. Come on, with these flowery, fake-ass names. That sounds like a Scientology building.

Yeah, right? No, 100%. The Center of Excellence. You don't become like the richest person in the world and just remain normal like you're gonna start using scientology like lingo and yeah well i mean he he was the guy that that's been doing a blood bag like a body he carries around a boy yeah and takes his blood during peter teal you mean oh was that it was that not peter teal okay bezos has you know there there's rumblings that he might be.

I heard he's got a hair boy. He might have a hair boy. He's been growing his hair back for him. Damn, and then what, he's just going to put it back on in one swoop? He's just going to put it back on his head, yeah. Scalp him and then just be like, all right, staple this shit on. Let's go. I got an event to get to, and I told him I would have an afro.

You're not even going to get a doctor. No. You're just going to get an intern to staple it on. It's going to be like Tobias in Arrested Development when he got the hair transplant and it was like killing him because of the infection. Graff versus Host is what they call it. And no, it's not a tennis match between Steffi Graff and Donnie Host. Oh, that's when you have any sort of trouble.

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has decided, and Nick, you might have a take on this, they've decided to bail on comedians for next year's dinner and opt instead for the equally entertaining historians. Yes. So somebody who's going to be like, yeah, no, this is really bad. You guys are really bad. I'm a historian. Let me tell you how this will go down in the annals of history. This is where we are in terms of American imperial collapse.

how this will go down in the annals of history this is where we are in terms of american imperial collapse it's really the only profession that is capable of putting his presidency into perspective so it makes sense that they would go with it well you know michelle wolf made it too hot for president sensitive pants and the shit fits basically made the white house correspondence association cave like i mean even in the, the immediate response to Wolf's performance, which most people were like, yeah, that was fucking great. They were slow. You could tell they were sort of, it was eating away at them. And now they've went for the guy who like literally wrote the book on Alexander Hamilton

that Lin-Manuel Miranda used for Hamilton. He's a great biographer. Yes. And so, I mean. What the fuck is he going to say? I'm actually curious. I think it's just going to be so, they're going to avoid any kind of controversy. I don't know.

I don't know. I love that it's like, this is their idea is getting the guy who wrote Hamilton, which is where Pence got booed. Right. Right, right, right. Because there's nothing you can, there's no one you can talk to who's going to know about stuff and be on your side. Right.

Unless it's like Pepe the Frog. Right. Then you can be Pepe the Frog. Right. Then you can be like, yeah, this guy. Well, even the guy who invented Pepe the Frog is like, fuck you guys. They're like, you got Miranda? Well, we got Chernow, bitches. It's like, who? That guy's so sad about it.

The Pepe guy? Yeah, yeah. Oh, God. His creation's been turned into him? Yeah. But the Correspondence Center is such a bad idea forever. I mean, since Colbert humiliated Bush, you just can't do it. I don't know why anyone goes.

It baffles me. And just the fact that friends of mine have gotten to go to D.C. and then say that in front of those people is a mind boggling. And it makes more, so much more sense that they're not going to do it anymore than that. They're going to keep doing it. Right. Whoever the next president is,

assuming there is one, like have the balls to bring this back. It would be like the guy, it would be like on my birthday, inviting the person who hates me the most, who's also the smartest. Right. To just come in and get.

Dress you down. Well, we've seen the two extremes. We've seen now like the most hated president probably in the history of, you know, these United States. I mean, since Obama. When it comes to at least the entertainment industry. Right. And then you had before him like a president who people didn't want to get up and roast because he was better than them he would go up and like do a tight 20

destroy them uh so yeah i don't know i think it was like it was a way for i think maybe the just stiffs in dc to feel like that they have senses of humor too and like yeah we can all take it and yeah clearly it's a town that over the years has just gotten more and more averse to hearing any kind of criticism. But, yeah, I mean, I like hearing them roast people up there. I do, too. This is fun. No, it's fun for me. Yeah.

Right, right, right. My popcorn pants. Yeah. But we'll see. I mean, I think it's weird. Yeah. But we'll see. I mean, I think it's weird.

I can't really imagine an event that Trump would go to now at this point anyway, because I mean, normally the president would go. Yeah, aside from a Trump rally, right? Because if he goes to anything with other dignitaries, he's like, ugh. He's like the 12-year-old kid who just got the Nintendo Switch at dinner and is like, do I have to be here? Can I go? Yeah. Yeah, he just needs to

be the focal point and if and if they're making jokes yo get him the fuck out of there he does not want to be there well yeah and this was the site of what a lot of people believe was the turning point of his professional career when obama and seth myers roasted him like that's he was just sitting there the guy who can least take a joke in the United States getting roasted on national television for my fellow kids it was like the Arthur clenched fist meme right yeah nice thank you for putting it in terms I could understand for fellow kids great well we'll we'll see what what type of material Chernow has for Wolf Blitzer. But do you think it's a shitty precedent to just because they're preemptively wanting to avoid the shit fit that the White House would throw,

that they just cave and they're just like eliminate the comedian thing? I don't know. It just feels like just like fuck it. Just keep going. I don't understand what the point is. Like it's not going to fix the relationship with the White House at all. Are they trying to get Trump to come? And that's why they've. Oh, he's. I mean, he's not. He's not going to go.

That's why it doesn't matter. Right. So I don't know what. You know, it might as well be raining. That's how much he's not going to go to. Yeah. Indoors. Like, no, my hair.

Fuck it. I don't know. Like, it just it just seems like they're caving. I don't like it. Yeah. Because they like, no, my hair. Fuck it. But yeah, I don't know. It just seems like they're caving. I don't like it. Yeah. Because they should. No, for sure. Every opportunity, there needs to be more and more media that at the very least can

object, or not objectively, but look at the shit things he does and bring it to light and be critical. We can't just stifle critical voices. But who knows? Old Ron the historian might come through with some fucking scathing PowerPoint presentation, which would also be equally amazing. He comes out with some inconvenient truth level zeitgeisty. Hit it. Boom. Yeah, I guess I was talking as though the White House Correspondents Association was not booking it, that it was like the Trump administration. But they're booking it with an eye towards sort of ameliorating,

like making the Trump administration happy, right? Well, yeah. Because after when she was talking about Sarah Sanders, they had to come out and be like, you know, they kind of kept walking it back and distancing themselves from Michelle Wolf. So, you know. Well, sometimes it just recorrects because

after the Stephen Colbert one then they had Rich Little come out the next year which is, if you don't know he's a dinosaur of comedy who does impressions. I think he died since but his

impressions were like, if you're not over 130 you probably don't know it's like a lot of nicks yeah bill mixell's the six shooter no it's literally still is alive oh great the man of a thousand voices well i think they should get him back yeah right yeah it might be time let's talk about gary hart you guys let's talk about Gary Hart, you guys. Let's talk about Gary Hart. Let's talk about Gary Gayetti. Yeah, I don't know why I went into Colin, what's his name? Jost. No, Colin, the other Colin.

Quinn, voice there. So I wanted to talk about Gary Hart because he's kind of making a comeback into the zeitgeist because Jason Reitman has a new movie coming out that's about uh this scandal that sort of derailed his bid to get elected president he it was the very early days uh but they also make the claim in the book the movie is based on that this was the turning point at which like they started turning politics into this tmz sort of gossip type side circus yeah exactly and prior to this it was like you could you could have your affairs with the media there right next to you and just you know jfk would tell a journalist i need to have three women a day

or else I get a migraine. And the journalist was like, ah, Jack. Ah, Jackie. That's just Jack being Jack. So Gary Hart basically got caught in having an affair. He was at the townhouse

of some young woman and was basically trapped into an alleyway as he was walking out by a bunch of reporters. And it was just this extreme, awkward moment. But this article that just came out in The Atlantic makes the claim that this was actually organized by this guy Lee Atwater. He was a Republican operative. He was the guy behind the Willie Horton ad that got George H.W. Bush elected president. Was widely considered the most racist political ad up until three weeks ago. About three weeks. Yeah, exactly. But he was just this, you know, he was sort of the

Karl Rove before Karl Rove, but he died of brain cancer about a year and a half after all of this happened. And in his last days, he basically called up the Democrat version of him, minus the racism and malice, just Democratic operative, and told him he'd engineered the entire Gary Hart thing down to making sure that the way that his relationship to this woman first came on people's radar was that he was on a boat trip with her on a boat called monkey business and lee atwater like knew that would be a good name for a scandal boat and so he like got the boat they were originally supposed to be on like taken away for like maintenance so they would be on this monkey business so that like

monkey business would be like oh so he purposefully manipulated the availability of boats to ensure that he would be on a boat called monkey business when they were monkeying around exactly and uh just all sorts of other shit so he told this operative and then fucked off and died uh and the operative never told gary hart like that's what this article is about. He's like, and it really hasn't come out and like become part of the story because he never told Gary Hart until like he had a conversation with Gary Hart. And he was like, you know, one thing that's always like stuck in my mind is it really felt like a setup. Like when the picture that was taken of me and the young woman, Rice, I believe her last name was, she was standing across the room from me. And then she like made eye contact with this woman she was with.

And the woman like nodded at her. She walked over, sat on my lap. And then the woman came up, took a picture and walked away. And that picture was on the cover of, you guessed it, the National Enquirer. Yeah, they're behind everything, it turns out. But the reason this is significant is because he was seen as, the movie is called The Front Runner,

and he was seen as the guy who was going to win the next presidency. George H.W. Bush was seen as both a just weaker version of Reagan and also as just a bitch, for lack of better word. Like people. Wow. No, they like that's how they rated him.

That's why they had to like. Rated bitch. Yeah. That's why they like did all this military activity is because he was seen as like, quote, wimpy by the American public. And so he like went to war in Panama for a day just to like flex his military muscles. And eventually people think that had something to do with the original Operation Desert Storm. And this guy, Gary Hart, was a security expert. And to the point that after all the scandal derailed his career and he was just like kind of in the background of politics, he sent this.

You might have heard about this report that was given to George W. Bush when he was coming into the White House. It was basically a terror attack is imminent. You guys need to prepare for a terror attack on U.S. soil. For W? For W. Wow. Right before 9-11 happened, he was like, this needs to be your top priority. And W just completely ignored it. But he was just known,

like, that's why people thought he was a shoo-in, was he was like really respected as an expert on security during the Cold War, which was like the number one concern for people. Despite going up against H.W., who was the CIA head. Exactly. They were like, well, he clearly wins in security against the guy who used to run the CIA and was Reagan's vice president. But this scandal basically derailed him and changed the course of history. Because if Hart beats Bush and has one or two administrations, there's no guarantee that you have a Clinton. There's no guarantee that you have a Clinton. There's no guarantee you have a, you almost definitely don't have a W because W, like his whole political career took off when, during his father's presidential campaign, like basically helping him

win the 88 campaign against Dukakis. Right. And this is also similar. This reminded me of the story that came out during the, I mean, I guess it was well known, but it came to my attention during slow burn about the Watergate scandal and Nixon's impeachment because Nixon, during the election that ended up being a landslide that he cheated in, one of the other ways that he cheated was there was this guy, Edmund Muskie, who he was really scared of running against, and he just harassed him, and he had his operatives call them

at all hours of night. They would call people acting as though they were from the Muskie campaign and say things in a really insulting black scent, but be like, we're coming for you. We're the Muskie campaign in New Hampshire. And that's where Muskie was from. And he ended up having this press conference where he had tears in his eyes and people were like, well, we can't

elect this guy. We can have a man who has emotions. Yeah. So Nixon basically also changed the course of democratic politics with this cheap behind the scenes conspiracy that actually happened. And the same thing probably happened with Gary Hart. So these Republicans, they don't put anything past him. There would be no Clarence Thomas. They're good at their job. Yeah, there would be no Clarence Thomas. Or David Souter, I think was other hw supreme court justice yeah

well that was depressing yeah yeah so what are your thoughts on history is being written by i'm just a big fan conspiracy and uh big clarence thomas i'm just sad that we lost him so young um but i'm glad that we have uh roger stone yeah to live on and paul matt paul manafort weren't they didn't they have i just watched that Stone documentary, but they had a company with Atwater and Manafort and Roger Stone. Oh, right. And just those bullshit artists. Yeah, they invented lobbying as we know it. Incredible.

And I don't know why. No, I don't know. I mean, it's insane that these people get to continue doing this. Yeah. Yeah. And we celebrate it. I was just thinking about Dukakis, how he lost because he was doing good. And then he did a photo op in a tank wearing a big helmet.

Right. And then he looked like a little boy. And then he was toast. Yep. And that's how easy things are. Remember how easy things were? He looks like a boy with that helmet. It's always the Democrats who get derailed by shit like that.

Yeah. That's why I think, yeah, like Dukakis wearing a helmet that makes him look like a little boy. Kerry going windsurfing. Right. Howard Dean before him going, yeah. But it sounded crazier because he was in a loud room and they had him exclusively mic'd up.

No matter how it sounded, it was just, yeah, whatever. He said, you know, he was getting pumped up on the path to the White House. You want to watch this and check out the White House? Yeah! Yo, I fuck with it. We need that as a drop, Nick. We wouldn't want a president with the sensibilities of a WWE wrestler. Oh, God.

See, that's what I'm saying. And look where we are now. Well, history is a tricky thing, isn't it? Yeah. But I think, you know, they say history bends towards justice. But I think American history bends towards fucking, you know, the Republicans and their shitty point of view. What do you think about Avenatti? Do you believe him that it's a Jacob Wohl takedown?

I don't know. I could believe that it was. I could also, we said this last week when we were talking about this story, I could also see him being a total piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah. I just like, if he was a total piece of shit, like, why haven't they figured that out by now? That's the thing, right? You'd think the second he started making it hot, it would have been like, oh, yeah, well, we know about you, Mike Lavinati.

Which is why, has there been any update? It's so surprising that there has been no update. That's the thing. I'm obsessed with it. Because he immediately came out and it was like, Will tried to muller me. Right, right, right. And no one's talking about it. Wait, who do we think would have like exposed him if he was a shithead?

Because the impression I get from all of the people who want to protect the president is that they're not that competent. Yeah, but there are plenty of oppo research firms that could dig that up. There are plenty of people who are more competent. They have a whole mechanism for trying to find shit i mean it's not yeah also like the stormy daniels thing is like the thing that's like taking him down right these payments and so i think all hands are on deck in terms of taking down avenatti yeah he's definitely if he is involved in violence towards women he's definitely leading with his chin, like just walking out into public. Yeah. But Atwater brought in the era of not believing anything anyone does ever.

Right. So murky. Yeah, yeah. I was watching this. three video series the New York Times made about Russian propaganda's history in the United States and how they started the government inventing the AIDS virus and all sorts of rumors and conspiracy theories just to sort of destabilize. And they were saying that's the entire purpose of Russian propaganda and like KGB, like 25% of their budget and time was spent just making it so that we couldn't really,

that we wouldn't believe things that it was just like, you know, it introduced that seed of doubt. And that's what the Trump just today was saying about the CIA concluding that the Khashoggi was ordered by MBS. He's like, well, we'll never know for sure. And then he's like, I don't want to listen to the tape. It's a tape of suffering.

It's a bad tape. Tape of suffering. No shit. That's why you have to listen to it so you can get with reality. But hey, bury your head in the sand, my man. Nick, it's been a pleasure having you. Me? Yes. Yes, you. It's been a pleasure being here. Thank you. Nick Turner, it's been a pleasure having you. Me. Yes. Yes, you. It's been a pleasure being here. Thank you. Nick Turner, it's been a pleasure having you. Where can people find you on social media?

You can find me on Twitter. Oh, okay. I've heard of that place. At Nick's Turner's. Instagram, the same. You can check out my album on Comedy Central Records, Yelling, if you want to get nuts. And you were on an episode of Couples Therapy recently,

I understand. Ah, yes, yes, with my work husband, Nick Vatterat. Oh, yeah. Too Many Nicks, A Night of Too Many Nicks. And it's hilarious, and people should check that out. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yeah, I just looked at my Twitter likes, It's hilarious, and people should check that out. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yeah. I just looked at my Twitter likes.

I always forget that that's a column where you can just look at all the things that you liked. And I've liked three tweets in the past month. Oh, wow. I am stingy with the likes. There you go. But I have a don't do it, which I don't know if you're familiar with this meme. A don't do it? A don't do it.

Yeah, it's like me thinking something and then thinking don't do it. I felt like don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, and then doing it. Anyway, I didn't know that until just now. But this is what I liked. This is Dan Licata, who is incredible. Check him out at Dan Licata sucks. Me pulls out my wiener to piss. My brain.

Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. And nothing's funnier than reading a tweet, right?

Yeah. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. I heard the tweet. Then me attempts to suck my own dick while peeing, getting piss all over my face. And I am coughing, choking on my urine. Dan Licata.

Dan Licata. Good luck to you, sir. Get that bone removed. Miles, where can people find you? You can find me on Twitter. Healing on the couch? Yes, you can find me on Twitter. Healing on the couch? Yes, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at

Miles of Grey. Uh-oh, that was Steve Carell saying my name on SNL or my Twitter handle. And that's also my tweet that I like. A few people tweeted me, but one of them disappeared. But that one I just played is from Eric at Eric in Absentia. I guess somehow

there was a sequence of words where Steve Carell said miles of gray so that's you can find me at miles of gray Twitter Instagram now it's my tweet boom that's crazy man huge shout out for you shout out for me really big moment for me you know but proud of you everyone my family didn't give a shit so and they were like

what is a Twitter and what is a handle so whatever I i'm gonna keep just do my thing over here and a tweet i've been enjoying is from pixelated boat uh he said oh yeah i forgot about that episode and linked off to an image there was this story going around about how tim allen uh likes pissing people off and he pixelated about as he does alter that headline uh to say tim allen i like pissing people off and nothing pissed people off more than the episode of home improvement where tim toolman taylor following the example of the early christian philosopher origin castrated himself with a hedge trimmer to purge himself of the sin of lust uh oh you. I like pissing people off

is like the worst thing you can think. I like pissing people off. It's the worst person you can be. That's your motivation. Too rude. That gives me control

in a world where I otherwise have no control. I'm done trying to make people laugh. Right. You can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can follow us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on. You can also find that information in the show notes. Miles, what song are we going to ride out on today? Let's do a new song from Little Dragon,

whose music I've played here before. They have a new EP out, but this is a track off their new EP, Lover Chanting, and it's called Lover Chanting. Wouldn't you know it? So enjoy this little track from Little Dragon, Lover Chanting,

for 30 seconds. All right, we're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. We'll talk to you guys then. Bye. Bye-bye. Baby, I've been watching you Watching every move

Baby, you've been obnoxious too And what you've got to prove No hurricanes, no other batship thing Oh, steal my love No cool black rain, no other doctor's day Won't keep me from your love Do you wanna be my girl? I wanna be your man K hasn't heard from her sister in seven years. I have a proposal for you.

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