The Daily Zeitgeist - Confirmation Bias On 9 Million. Anna's Streamingest Streaming Corner 01.27.23

Episode Date: January 27, 2023

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Yeah. Which of course means. Oh, whoa, today. Man, you got me slipping. I was like, yep, you got that. We got the right date. We got the right date. What is it?

It's actually Vietnam Peace Day, National Chocolate Cake Day, Holocaust Remembrance Day, National Fun at Work Day, World Breast Pumping Day, and National Big Wig Day. That's a lot for one day. That's a lot. When we just came off of weird ones, it was like Burns Suffers Night or whatever. Like, what the fuck is that? Anyway, what a sport of big wig today.

I think it's literally about big wigs. Oh, okay. So anybody who celebrate the c-suite at our no no but if you've ever performed at the groundlings you've lived this every day we're in a big old way how are you with wigs oh i love wigs love all right my name is jack o'brien aka bernie jack aka leg fic the entertainer aka a.k.a. DL, as in Do Love, Hughley, a.k.a. This is my favorite, Steve Hardley. Some original kings of comedy, a.k.a.

It's from Christy Yamaguchi, Maine, at Waffle House. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Whoa, green candy, M&M. Whoa, green candy, M&M. Green candy so cute, M&M. Want to lick them boots. M&M. Whoa, green candy. M&M. Green candy so cute. M&M. Want to lick them boots. M&M.

Looking like an hors d'oeuvre. M&M. Real sweets have curves. M&M. Whoa, green candy. M&M. Shout out to Salvador Jolly on the Discord. You know, a little bit of Ram Jam there.

You know, going off of the outrage over the curves of the anthropomorphized candies. Real candy has curves. That's 100% true. Exactly. There's a t-shirt right there. Don't eat any candies with right angles. We know that. That's right.

Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a writer and director behind absolute classics like eagle heart with chris elliott the academy award nominated borat subsequent movie film and the new comedy classic mind-bending docu-series paul t goldman it is jason wall and i thanks guys thanks for having me thanks for coming on we are very excited we're very excited to have you on we've just been talking about the show non-stop and like i was saying before it's not often we get to talk to somebody who's made a show that we're like oh yeah i like that i like yeah we just like we just talk about it from our altitude so thank you yeah that's cool yeah no i mostly was just making it so i'm just it's not often i get to talk about it. It's like to be at that point and not, not have to work on it anymore.

It seemed like a lot of work. That would be my first note. It's a show that's designed to prove when you watch it, that it was a lot of work. You showed your work. Point was made. Yeah. We have a segment streaming corner that listeners are aware of. But the way those usually come together is Ana Hosnier texts us at midnight sometimes. She's just finished watching something.

And she's like, you guys have to watch this immediately, Streaming Corner. And in the case of The Vow, season two of The Vow, for instance, You know, in the case of The Vow, season two of The Vow, for instance, I've been a little bit slow, a little bit negligent on my response to that prompt. But this one we immediately got into. We're talking about the next day. And that was before we knew you were coming on. So this is a thrill. We're going to do an Honest Streaming Corner in Act 3 and talk Paul T. t goldman with you here all right jason we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first a couple of things we're talking

about we're gonna talk about the woke wars continue with a and w root beer and and xbox one of them intentionally stepping and waiting in to the conversation. One of them, I can't imagine that Xbox was like, oh, this is going to piss him off. It feels like engineers were like, hey, this is an increased efficiency we've found. Yeah. We're going to talk about Alex Jones's longstanding obsession with Stanley Kubrick, where it comes from. Some weird things like there's a lot of conspiracy thinking around stanley kubrick movies that are just they're like there's like a hidden message in there it's like no that's just that's art that's how art works there are ideas

in the art that you are picking up on what's he saying with that yeah so we'll talk about that and of course, we are going to talk Paul T. Goldman. But before we get to any of it, Jason, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? I was just looking at my history from yesterday. We had caper vinaigrette, which I was trying to figure out how to make uh for dinner and uh and also racist dutch theme park i was doing uh my friend's podcast and there's a theme park in the netherlands called epteling that recently after a long battle changed uh some very racist rides that they had uh so i

needed to bone up on that so theme theme park, international theme park controversy. Wow. Whoa. There's a couple of theme parks dealing with some racist controversy that they're having to undo. Yeah. Are the Dutch like crying over the fact that they had to change their theme park?

Like they do at Disney world? They were really holding onto it. And this stuff was way more outwardly racist than anything. Oh no. Oh, onto it and this stuff was way more outwardly racist than anything uh that that oh no oh monster cannibal okay yeah you found it yeah this is fucking violence oh my god and it only changed like very recently yeah and uh i mean it's a whole it's a whole different culture they have over there, I suppose. But they also have like a very racist rip off of it's a small world with scenes of like Africa and Asia. I mean, just like crazy stuff that still existed. But and

they changed that. But they kept Monsieur Cannibal. They were holding on to that when they finally changed that one. But I wanted to make sure i had my facts right so yeah that's what i was looking up yesterday yeah monsieur cannibal for people who don't even if you're not googling basically it's like a teacup ride where all these like pots over fire are rotating around a central like racist figure of what i'm believing is to be some kind of african person who is going to eat the people it's the most shockingly offensive thing uh that you've ever seen anyone's ever seen i'm surprised that the photo of it is in color like that's how racist it is i'm like right this is before color cameras right yeah and that and their excuse was like well you gotta understand this ride was made like 30 years

ago it's like 30 years ago this was not okay 30 in the. This was not okay. 30 years. In the 80s. We made this back in the late 80s. So you have to understand. This came out right after soul man was released in theater. So this can't be too offensive. Yeah. Right. What the fuck?

Oh my God. I wonder, did, was the ice cream cone always there? Cause he is eating an ice cream cone, which seems. Yeah. Are you saying that makes it okay? No, I'm wondering if they tried to make it okay by being like he's not just eating people he also likes ice cream that's not like african like ice cream not necessarily doesn't

mean he's an african because he likes that it feels like police reform where it's like let's change this one thing and everyone's, that's not the fucking problem. And you're like, I don't know. Yeah, the problem is that he wasn't eating ice cream. They added the ice cream. What is something you think is overrated? I think remote work is overrated. I think we got to get back together.

Oh, really? Yeah. What's going on right now? This Zoom. Yeah, I would love to do it in person we should be in the same room how's remote work in the age of like i can totally see that for when you're trying to make creative projects and you know i know some people that have adapted to like digitally collaborating creatively while there's like man you miss so much energy in the

room yeah well that's what like editing this show over the past six months like you know there's a little bit remote like graphics work but by and large we like we shared an office in hollywood and so much of that was just like being in the safe sitting in a room looking at cards on a wall and like there is an energy where uh you just don't have it when you're on zoom in terms of creative stuff i think is like hopefully yeah it's not going to fully go away because of COVID. Cause it really does make a difference. I think it's not a fun, not a fun answer, not a funny answer, but I was trying to think, I don't want to shit on any movies or TV shows I've seen. No shit, no, come on. Let's take some shots, Jason, right now.

Put it all on the line. Everything is overrated. Everything you like is overrated. Okay. I was just making sure this... Except tar. Tar is good. I was making sure this wasn't like a Bob Iger take where he's like, all right, fuckers, enough fucking around.

Get your asses in the office because the fucking rent's too high. But it's the missing X factor for you of collaborating in person. Yeah, I just think human interaction in terms of when you're doing something creative is still the best when you can actually get together with people yeah i'm i'm mixed i was

actually in the office yesterday for like a meeting it's just there's so much shit to do like i don't know you said so much less time so much more time is like moving that's driving and shit driving yeah driving is overrated i think offices are are also overrated though uh um so like but like when i would like do shows that i would write on i mean this show that i'm i'm talking about that i just put out there was no writing on it this this guy wrote everything but other things i've done adult swim stuff or whatever like we would just rent a house for a few months and just sit in the living room and write just because yeah office environments are not not great just sit in the living room and write just cause yeah. Office environments are not,

not great either. Oh, like the office you, you made the office like a residential space, basically. Yeah. We would just get a house over, you know,

Verbo or whatever. And, and just like sit in the living room and write, which is a nice way to work. The heyday. I don't think Iger is going to like that one. I don't think there's going to be a budget for that. They living in there.

Is that why they're just doing wall to wall writing? Nah, man, they just prefer to meet in there. Oh, yeah. There's a whole, what's the studio that has just houses on the lot?

Like, Oh, like Warner brothers. Yeah. Warner has like the, the lot with just, it looks like a suburban street and like, it's close to like the real, like, you know how, like Warner Brothers. Yeah, Warner has the lot with just... It looks like a suburban street. It's close to the real...

You know how I know LeBron's production company has an office there? Yeah. Read his exteriors. Deep inside, the secrets are all there. That's right. What is something you think is underrated? McDonald's.

I think McDonald's is really great. And I thought if there was only one McDonald's, I would travel far to eat that food. I think we take it for granted because it's everywhere. Because it's everywhere. And there's one on Sunset that just closed. And then I saw another one at the Galleria in Glendale that closed. I get so disturbed when a McDonald's closes.

It feels like there's something. I get shaken by it where it feels like those should be just like a constant. Like there should only be as many as there are or more. When they start going away, I get really worried about everything. Yeah. That does feel like it can't be. There's a McDonald's by my mom's house where i grew up that closed down recently and i was like oh fuck like we it's this is like this is my indicator for where the

economy or where like society is headed i'm like even this mcdonald's come to find out they just demolished it so they could put up like a futuristic like mcdonald's and it came back and the relief i had was so fucked up i was like like, oh, fucking thank God. It's just one of those spaceship abomination McDonald's. And then it closed down because business was bad. Okay, good. Yeah, see, that's a happy ending to that story. 100%.

Have you been to any McDonald's overseas? We were just reading about one in Wales that somebody like a food critic was making a straight faced argument that it is the best restaurant in Wales, Welsh McDonald's, because they, you know, just a lot of attention. It's not it's not just the standard menu. That's cool. Yeah. Anytime I travel, I go to the local McDonald's because like, yeah, there was one and we were in kyoto and they had weird like shrimp stuff i think yeah i always go wherever i wherever i go try to see what the differences are it's like there's such an american way to kind of make sense of like the world too we're like yeah when i'm abroad though too like i gotta check out mcdonald's so i can understand

so i can really understand what's going on get my bearings yeah yeah oh so i can understand, so I can really understand what's going on. Get my bearings. Yeah. Oh, so I can tell because there's jamon on this Spanish McDonald's hamburger. The Spanish like jamon, it seems. Yeah. Rather than just opening our eyes. When I was in eighth grade in Kentucky, in the public school system in Kentucky, there were two like big, so there was a big event at the end of the year that was the chicago trip that eighth graders got to like take a bus up to chicago and the things we did there like in retrospect were like i think there was one architectural tour but like that one of

the big events was the rock and Roll McDonald's in Chicago. What was that? It's just a McDonald's with some statues, and they play old-timey rock music. The statues are of Ronald McDonald. I don't want to imply that there's any more thematic coherence than maybe Ronald McDonald has a pompadour on one of the statues or something. That was a Wesley Willis song. Do you know him?

Singer, sadly deceased, but he had a song called Rock and Roll McDonald's. I wonder, I always just thought it was. Oh yeah, Rock and Roll McDonald's. Isn't that how it went? Yeah, that's exactly how it went. I mean, most Wesley Willis songs were like that, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that being like a thing that they were they were thinking about

updating but it was many years past it being a thing that really made sense as existing yeah oh now it's i think we talked i remember you mentioned and we looked and now it's like this like post-modern it's so modern now it looks like uh like like the headquarters of like a cult yes oh wow that's what happened it looks like an apple store yeah yeah so the rock and roll mcdonald's used to look kind of like a pizza hut like it had that like red roof that was like somewhat yeah the old the og mcdonald's style yeah og mcdonald's i guess would but oh yeah yeah i like around you know somewhere places not far from la they still have some like the really old ones with the arches or like um it's cool when you find like a really old looking

mcdonald's yeah or old pioneer chicken like in la those are those are like artifact fast food places i don't know if that one's still open do you have a favorite mcdonald's you've ever been to because it stands out in your mind no my favorite thing is is just that they're they're mostly all the same uh right and uh just the consistency someone there's some like andy warhol quote i think it was about coca-cola but it applies to mcdonald's that like even the richest person in the world can't get a better you know meal for mcdonald's than than the poorest person can't which is something that's like that's i think you're saying about Coca-Cola, it's like everyone's drinking the same Coke.

And as we all know, McDonald's has the best Coca-Cola in the game. Right. And they do it because... And Sprite. Yeah, they have these crazy water filtration things that, because the water, you know, anywhere you go is different. So they filter the hell out of the water. So every, like like soft drink tastes the

same mcdonald's to mcdonald's because they know it's like that consistency and reassurance that people are going there for so like that's why it is so good man okay that makes sense that's why like i'm glad that especially like sprite has medicinal qualities one that yeah i recently put like my my partner on too she was like she never would get mcdonald's i'm like you don't know about mcdonald's sprite like you you're really holding yourself back because she just doesn't like soda and when when she was sick i got her some mcdonald's sprite and the way she was like she's like it's more bubbly i think and more sugar i'm like it could be this weird

fucking placebo effect that culture has created. But there's something different. And I know the Internet agrees with me on this. Yeah. I always thought it was just that they had wider straws. The straws do seem like a little bit wider. That's definitely true. Yeah.

Yeah. So I was always like, oh, it's different because it's got wider straws. You take a sip and it just like your whole mouth is full. But yeah, definitely. It makes sense that it's some proprietary recipe of some sort. Absolutely. All right. Well, let's take a quick break.

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We're back. And, all right, A&W. Q. You know, this is a nice work of social media. Kudos to their social media team. Oh, yeah. It's just like a spoof of the McDonald's or the M&M's statement. They even open it with America. Let's talk like the M&M's did.

And even use the word polarizing just like it so they did the exact same like even color scheme with brown and like it just it's identical to the mcdonald's or the m&ms one damn we're both on that mcdonald's m&ms fuck up that you know but just swap out the logos and again they say this is so funny since 1963 rudy the great root bear has been our beloved spokesbear. We knew people would notice because he's literally a six foot tall bear wearing an orange sweater. But now we get it. Even a mascot's lack of pants can be polarizing. Therefore, we have decided that Rudy will wear jeans going forward. Not to worry, though, he will remain our official spokesbear.

After all, he is unbearably cute anyway fantastic great good for you but oh my god it no way this is i think what i think how fox took it they're like what what's going on what is going on i think most people uh were like okay a and w social media person like nice one but kind of thirsty for being real and but the people at fox they i don't know they are in like suffering from such intense brain rot that they have fully lost the ability to even understand irony i'm just gonna play their reaction when they're like and guess what folks it's not even ending with m&ms because now a and w's on the woke wagon polarizing oh my god first it was m&ms it's ridiculous now a bear has to have oh wait you're crying i mean having what is the problem it's just the woke police cancel culture has gone

ridiculous you think it's a joke well i i mean you know aw it's not like it gets in the headlines every day maybe this is their moment yeah well maybe that's why they do it, for the attention, for the headline. You should see the devil angel battle in my head to make a joke on this, and I'm going to withdraw. I'm yielding the balance because I like my job. I had a bunch of jokes. None of them appropriate. Okay, I don't even know what you could have potentially attempted as a joke there.

I think he was going to make some bear dick jokes, Miles. But, like, what is a – was there an obvious bear dick joke there oh i think he was gonna make some bear dick jokes miles but like what is what is it is it that was that was there was there an obvious bear joke there that he's like also for the for people who weren't watching the video the the guy who spoke first and was like i just was like i maybe like was maybe like maybe gonna call out the fact that it was a joke he was on the verge of tears i know it wasn't clear what if he was about to laugh or cry. He was about he was about to burst into tears. Yeah, I say they're just like doing a play like they know somewhere in there.

They know that A&W's social media person is joking. And they're like, I think they're just so far beyond understanding. Like, are we joking? Are we serious about this? Or we don't know if we're joking anymore. That's the part is like obviously they know that there's they all sing from like the same script but like i guess also too when your confirmation bias is like set to like nine trillion then like you're just like on everything's like oh my god what the fuck it's wearing pants without maybe first giving yourself a second but i just i don't know there's

something interesting if maybe this could be a shift in the culture wars just trying to bait them even more i feel like with 20 000 well-spent dollars you could convince the conservatives yeah like do you think if you ask any of those people like point blank do you think that wearing pants is woke like what would they say like yes they're trying to make us wear pants oh because right yeah like it's so absurd it's it's uh everyone's just kind of goofing around i think no one knows what they're saying yeah they're doing bits they're yeah it really feels like that even even the tucker carlson like m&ms thing he seemed like deflated when he was doing it he played a clip of it and he was just like and now they've like released more m&ms and they're like not hot and so we're gonna talk

about it because that's what we do on this show never mind uh he seemed bummed out yeah that's i feel like everyone's just kind of like playing their role uh with yeah you should just bait them with stupid or super things and just see like i get all right i guess we got to get mad about this now yeah like here this is another segment where fox they they got mad or again because i guess this is just part of like the rhetorical menu that they have to offer people which is like we going to have to put some kind of form of cultural outrage on the show. Xbox announced that they had a new power saving mode. So when the shit was turned off, you would use way less energy just to be like, yeah, that's less of an electrical bill for you too, just more efficient.

And they somehow turned this into the indoctrination of children. But we understand what this is. It's not that it's actually going to offset emissions. OK, the level of reduction is infinitesimal. But they're trying to recruit your kids into climate politics at an earlier age. Make them climate conscious now. I didn't think of that. You're right.

They're going after the children. Of course. Like that's I'm like, again, are they that mad that it's more efficient that it would save you money on your bills because now like we're just becoming anti-efficiency also because like again i get i get how in their minds they can draw a straight line from something being using less energy to be like and that's their climate change activism agenda but like these people aren't losing their fucking minds when like a truck uses less, like is more fuel efficient. I get when they like.

Yeah, they're they're acting, though. They're doing a play to keep you watching Fox News like they don't believe any of this. Like Tucker Carlson railing against the vaccine, early vaccine. He definitely had to be vaccinated to come back to work like the what these people actually believe if you actually sat down with them and what they say on air I think there's a big disconnect I mean I think it's it's obviously wicked but um I think it's all a joke like to them I guess that's probably how they sleep at night too right no it's how they make their money yeah and it's like oh I okay yeah here's my character i go on i act mad about stuff but even him using the term climate conscious like it implies like you know this is uh not a bad thing

this is like you know yeah i don't know like it's i think it's it's all just bad faith play acting of outrage and it's the thing that i'm like really curious about right because it's all their whole their whole like media infrastructure. They're like the what am I looking for? The ecosystem where all this information is coming from. Like there's always this like weird irony at the end of the day. Like it's always really bad for the consumer to agree with what they're seeing on Fox. Like they're like, yeah, man, I don't need fucking medicine, man.

Yeah. Like I'm going to sleep with a gas heater on in my bedroom with the window shut because I'm not woke. Like, it's just funny how the feedback loop also is like in specific ways, like with the vaccine is something that is absolutely antithetical to them, like living a longer, healthy life. And then in the broader scale for every human being on Earth to probably suffer the consequences because we're not tackling these issues correctly but then they don't tell the local like am talk radio people because they're all like actually dying from like covid and they're like i believe that though nobody told me wait wait you assholes are all vaccinated i'm out here dying for this shit uh different levels i mean there's levels to it you know you know always yeah i i have to think that like when when she was like oh wow i didn't even think about that they are trying to i think she had thought about that because it was in the script that they were

working off of and she knew he was coming on oh yes i had not even thought about that you know fox news is an entertainment channel and that's all it is right and it's keeping and and its job is to keep people watching fox news and and they figured out this is what does it that's what that's the argument they made to keep tucker carlson like after he did i forget what specifically damaging conspiracy theory he was spreading at the time but there was actually i forget if it like went to court or something but they had to come out and be like tucker carlson is an entertainer right but that's and that's the people right that's the evil thing is because the people watching don't think of it as entertainment they think they're watching a news

channel right and right yeah they're like oh man so if tucker's not getting horny for m&ms then that means america's losing wait because that's right he'll say something like that and get mad and he knows look you remember the thing that came out of him was that he was like thanking joe biden for helping his kid out or just something where you read you're like what this has nothing to do with this character we're seeing on screen where it's like oh the world the real world of these people is so different than what we're seeing on screen but right the people at home who are you know for instance not getting the vaccine or getting riled up about woke m&ms like to them that's real to them this is real

life but the people on on screen this is this is their job this is a show i think yeah and i think part of the thing that makes this like really part of the bread and butter of the network is like they they have to politicize everything but they can't actually talk hard politics or policy because then that that begins to be like something you have to reckon with like facts and like what works and doesn't work you can't be like well what would 18 billion dollars less being spent on defense mean for x y and z it's like i don't know man they don't want to spend that it's because they want to make the soldiers wear dresses or something yeah and it's like and it doesn't speak it has nothing to do with facts it just speaks to your appealing to

like a victimization feeling among the audience and saying you're right they're they're there. You're not crazy. They're coming for you. They want to take what you have. They're coming to get you. And that's the thing that keeps people watching them get some advertising dollars. Yeah. I mean, just skipping down to somebody who is, has actually gone on the record in court being like,

I am a professional wrestling character that you know alex jones our writer jam was pointing out he was doing some research watching the thing and noticed that like one of the logos was hal 9000 like in a way but it was like kind of sweaty it didn't make sense as a as a reference and so he looked into it it. And Alex Jones apparently is weirdly obsessed with Stanley Kubrick and making the case that Stanley Kubrick is like a right-wing prophet. A few years ago, they published an editorial about how the world of A Clockwork Orange bears an uncomfortable resemblance to our own. The film is too bold, too brash, too brazen in its honest yet stylized depiction of the foibles and failures of humanity in our own. The film is too bold, too brash, too brazen in its honest yet stylized

depiction of the foibles and failures of humanity in our society, and too unflinching in its artistic honesty and insight for, like, our soft modern world. Which is funny. First of all, it's funny to, like, take the entire point of a dystopian sci-fi movie which is to like show you a world that seems different but then the more you watch you're like ah but i see the similarities and you know and just like say it in a tone that makes it sound like it's a conspiracy that they've done this like that it's a secret message that they're sending you reminds me of like the da vinci code where they like took symbolism in art and like reduced it to the level of like a crossword puzzle where you're like,

when you look at her hand, she's actually pointing at a word jumble that's written over here in invisible ink that you have to solve to, to find out the clue. But also it's just ignoring. I don't know. They act like it's too woke for our world and it's a movie that was incredibly controversial when it came out in the 70s

like it sparked massive protests and like stanley kubrick banned it in the uk like decided not to distribute it but yeah it's just wild to, like the weird confirmation bias set to nine million or whatever. It's just like like everything. Like, yeah, oh, I can see it now. But again, it's always having to be, you know, bending towards whatever you need it to mean. And in this case, I just love it's like, oh, exactly. He foretold all of these issues, except I'm not quite sure which side of this equation i'm actually on yeah and then he had stanley kubrick's daughter vivian kubrick on and apparently she's a huge

alex jones fan now and is yeah i don't know like violent art far right memes on twitter and publicly proclaimed her admiration of Alex Jones when she came on and said, I've been listening to Alex Jones for many years. I know how accurate he has been about what's going down on this planet. And also, she's wearing a headlight and a GoPro camera on her head and said that enemies of humanity are running the world and they might be extraterrestrials. And that was like in the first five minutes of the show, which is just, it's such a bummer. It truly is that like, I don't know, it's getting to everyone, you know?

Right. Alex Jones also thinks Stanley Kubrick had psychic powers and that's where he got his movie ideas. Kubrick had psychic powers and that's where he got his movie ideas. Again, just a like wild, just attempt by someone who's not creative to understand the creative process. He must've been had some, someone sending him psychic messages.

Like, how did you come up with Dr. Strangelove five years before, you know, the, the Cuban missile crisis or a decade before the cuban missile crisis it's like that there was it was based on a dramatic novel that had already been singled out by the pentagon for its accuracy like repeatedly he just kept confusing rip like

stanley kubrick did really careful and intense and broad research for all of his movies like the he the other thing he's like eyes wide shut like i've seen masked orgies in my time but he like dropped that as an aside he was like when i was a teenager i went to some satanic masked orgies and just like didn't didn't go further into that but he took the eyes wide shut orgy as like a sign that he was telling on actual like orgies that stanley kubrick had been invited to when in fact it was like this deep historical research into actual you know rituals from the 18th and 19th century like how those things actually went down. Also their conspiracy is that Eyes Wide Shut

was about like the real Illuminati and that like powerful celebrities had Kubrick killed because he died right after completing the movie, which just doesn't really hold together as a, like why would you, he'd been working on that since, like, the 60s. Yeah, they should have killed him before. They should have killed him before he completed it.

Right. I like that they're just like, yeah, just... The assassins are like, hold on, let him cook. I want to see what he's doing. I want to see what he's got going. They're like, yeah, I'm a big fan. Wait, no, we got to finish it. But then we got to punish him.

Yeah. And also, again, yeah, like yeah i'm a big fan wait no we gotta finish it but then yeah we gotta punish him yeah and also again yeah the question of where he got the idea for eyes wide shut could have been solved with google like that's the thing so many of these kind of long running conspiracy theories and this kind of this comes up in paul t goldman as well like the so many of these things can be solved with google like just a little bit of google not even you know prolonged and detailed research but just a little bit to be like oh there are these four other explanations that also make sense yeah i mean to what you guys are talking about in terms of confirmation bias it's like yeah it's kind of the backwards you decide what the truth is and then you make every bit of information you find line up with it and kind of willfully ignore anything that contradicts it or adds complexity to it. But yeah, I mean, you see that happening

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i'm so psyched to be in the corner oh my god jason oh hey how's it going wow what are you doing here no this is thrilling because yeah i heard you say i did probably text all my streaming takes place between midnight to four in the morning yeah yeah because they're working me to death here please help and so i like immediately start screaming through text that these guys to start watching anything and everything i'm watching so paul t goodman those first i think you could you guys dropped four episodes or was it three episodes? Three on New Year's Day great time to release the show

everyone's definitely looking for like a really hard to describe show that you need to use your brain to watch when you're hungover on New Year's Day so it's been a huge splash as expected I mean it got

me oh yeah after three episodes I was like why didn't they release the whole season oh i think i just needed it i think this first time paul breaks can't break like breaks the fourth wall and like you and then like you kind of zoom out to see like the production i think i paused and i think i texted and i was like yeah this this shit is good i'm like yeah but for people allow it for people who don't know because you probably just keep hearing the name jason how would you describe it like to some like you said it's a difficult to describe show but i'd imagine the person who directed it would probably have a decent way to describe it to people you would imagine that you would be

surprisingly wrong it's probably why it took me like 10 years to make it because it's a very hard show to describe but basically it's a it's a documentary series about a real person who calls himself Paul T. Goldman. And it's his story about how he married a lady who turned out to have a secret double life and how he basically vowed to take down her international crime ring, which may or may not exist. And it's about kind of me trying to figure out what the hell is going on yeah he's he's a he's a fascinating character like i want to just ask like how like what about him did you see and see as worthy of of this documentary because he ends up being someone that like i i loved and like felt like felt for you know and like he has this weird penchant to like gravitate towards being scammed in any given situation i mean minimum five scams happen to a person within this series

yes including the series itself yeah i said i didn my friend, I was like, he was scammed by multiple people, including Jason. No, I mean, I referenced that in the show. I mean, that was part of his wondering how much I'm just another person kind of taking advantage of his very trusting nature. But yeah, he tweeted at me in 2012. And he said, I have an incredible story to tell. And I wrote a book and a screenplay about it. And I looked at his website.

I looked at his, you know, and I read his book and I just fell in love with kind of his voice and just thought it was so fascinating. It's a story with like a lot of dark stuff in it, but also he's very, you know, light and goofy and likable. And I thought that was such an interesting contrast. And I mean, I didn't know I was going to spend 10 years years on it but i did think there was something there that was kind of worth exploring yeah and you capture this depiction of a type or like a real person that i don't think exists in a lot of places like in media in right like it just feels very authentic and like you're seeing a work of art about you know

like those paintings that you see in museums that are like of everyday people as opposed to the ones that are like about of the royalty like it feels like you're getting this really in-depth depiction of like who he is but also like what his imagination is what his version of the world is and it's also a very specific portrait of like the years i think it so like 2013 to up to the present like really the present tense like you you have footage from the premiere of the show in the in the final episode i feel like it also like captures a lot of what was going on like during that era some of the stuff we've already talked about on the show like that confirmation bias internet rabbit hole and like even the specificity of like

his cause becoming sex trafficking in the same way that like a lot of the like mega people like turned to human trafficking as as their cause well yeah yeah yeah how did that all come together i mean it was really just me interviewing him and filming him and observing what was real it was really just kind of luck that this stuff as we were making it started coinciding so much with what was going on but you know i was there's a clip in there when he's talking about taking down this sex trafficking ring that he thinks he's going to take down that he says, like, it's the calm before the storm. And that was in 2014. That was before Trump. That was way before QAnon. It was like so all these things that I was interested in and I've always been interested in conspiracy minded people, but it really did become so relevant in the years that we were making it. And I thought it was just fortunate that, you know, in Paul's story, ultimately, no one is hurt. No lives were really ruined. There's some dark behavior on the part of different people, including Paul, but it's not like such a bummer that you couldn't also include the funnier parts of it. So I thought it was a good opportunity

to balance things that I thought were funny and also kind of shocking or sad or, you know, just fascinating, but to do this story about this kind of, yeah, that includes this conspiracy world and this stuff that became very common, but in a way that like no one was really hurt i i thought it was good he's kind of you know i think you know in a lot of ways he's much more harmless than than a lot of the people in this world for

sure no i mean like his yeah his biggest flaw is that he's like a born mark you know like he's so trusting and so like constantly pivots to the positive which is really interesting when i was like man this i've never i've it's like like jack saying like i've it's not often i've seen someone like this i'm like wow this guy seems very authentically like living just his life in this very unique way but it's causing a lot of issues because he's trusting and he has a little bit of he's like semi-informed on things but then there's like psychics that are taking advantage of that and it just all comes together and you're like oh shit was that like kick is a wild character

wild person human i guess yeah she's a human too and i you know i liked her a lot we visited her that footage was shot in 2017 where we went to her ranch and um you know in the editing of it we listened to hours and hours of tapes that paul had made of their readings and that was when this picture emerged that i felt like we had to include in the show of like her kind of role in all of this and just like spinning him out on stuff that you know by and large, I don't think was accurate that she was saying. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

She was, she's a very interesting person because I feel like how she was scamming him was very interesting in the sense that she actually, like, seemed to care about him. I think she does care about him. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like she was, you know, obviously she wasn't happy with how she's portrayed in the last episode. I mean, it's all just clips of her, though. It's not me saying anything. It's just me putting clips together that I think paint a picture of my opinion of of her behavior. But she does care about Paul.

And she was, you know, her defense is why I've helped a lot of people's lives. I think she did like like in the show when she's introduced in the third episode, Paul talks about he contacted her at first. She's a pet psychic who also does human psychic work but and he contacted her when he lost the dog and she she didn't help him find the dog but she's like the dog is fine he got into like a young woman's car and she's taking care of him and so yeah you could look at it's like yeah she provided comfort for him and and i think that's a lot of what she does, you know? Yeah. So my question was, at what point do these predictions become harmful or become like actually reckless and dangerous? Right, right.

I mean, it's so interesting because it is all these real people. And I'm like fascinated because I do at the end, like I'm fully on Paul's side. Like I want Paul to succeed. I want Paul to be right. Paul's side. Like I want Paul to succeed. I want Paul to be right. Like I want it all to be real and all to like make sense because I just want him to

have some vindication because of everything that he goes through in his life. Yeah, that's good. I mean, you know, it's a very complex thing and everyone's watching that last episode and responding in different ways and some people who decided at one point

in the show that they just hate him or can't be on his side, can't empathize with him anymore for whatever reason stay there. Then some people see this is a person and he has made mistakes. It's nice that he's grown. You see him absorbing new information by the end.

I like that people are having all different responses to it. That was my favorite favorites with like the pr person was like you kind of seem to have like an anti-sex worker agenda just with like how you're talking no and then and then that one question at the q a when the person the audience asks about like mail order brides that and he it like stumped him but you could see the gears working in this way. It's like, oh, he's actually he's wrestling with this question in his mind, which is so funny. There's like all these very interesting moments where in a in a world where you're so you seem like narcissistic people who will never appear wrong on camera, do whatever they can to like whatever it takes to not appear wrong. It was just really interesting to see somebody who was so open to hearing something new and really sitting with that and also like processing it within his own life. And I think the repetition of those moments, I think was really disarming, at least for me to watch and like kind of opened up myself to me like, wow, this is a really, this is a good example of

how we should operate. I'll be at a very like hyperbolic extreme example of how we should operate, albeit a very, like, hyperbolic, extreme example of someone's, like, life. But there was, like, I was learning on some level. Yeah, that's cool. That's great. I mean, it's right. It's not easy to absorb information that changes what you thought is reality for years and years. And, like, to watch him do that, be in that room was very moving, I thought. Yeah. I mean, that's the key difference between, you know, but by the way, the fact that he said, this is the calm before the storm, Paul probably is Q. I think we all have to reckon with that.

He's not, he's not. Oh no, he's definitely Q, for sure. He's not Q. Then it's Jason. It's Jason. He has very out, like he has, he has outdated a lot of views about relationships, about women, a lot of stuff that's, you know, very much not in tune with with our daily with our modern day world. And as far as I know, he has not gone down that rabbit hole. He was not a Trump supporter.

Like, I think, yeah, he's like he's a complex guy. Yeah, right. I think, yeah, he's a complex guy. Yeah. Right. And I think the difference between him and Trump supporters is that, like, he took in the new information. Yeah. And changed, like, on the spot.

Was like, oh, so I should probably apologize. With some prompting from you. But that was wild to see how quickly he changed. And then watching the episode with, like, that must have been nerve wracking. But you watched the first episode with him and then like have a conversation. We watched the first three actually. So we watched about half the series with him. And then I showed him some clips from the finale because I wanted him to really have a sense of what the show was going to be and to see how he reacted to that.

And I thought, I thought that response was, was pretty powerful as well. And I never really expected, I didn't know how he'd respond. I didn't know if he'd like punch me in the face. reacted to that and I thought I thought that response was was pretty powerful as well uh and I never really expected I didn't know how he'd respond I didn't know if he'd like punch me in the face or or what so it was really I mean I got weirdly emotional I didn't expect that either and that's the last thing I would ever want is for myself to be emotional on camera but it it happened so it's like we're trying to do something honest so you know it's got to go in

there I mean I fully like when I was watching that scene i left my body because i was like what is about to happen but i will say like his love for you is very apparent like when he wanted you to play you like and was just pushing and pushing i was like he just wants to play with jason like that's all he wants. Like, he wants to do it with you. And you were like, I can't, I can't, I can't. But I was like, it's so clear that like, while you know, you are showing every aspect of everything going on, like that doesn't necessarily always put Paul in the best light. Like, I had a feeling like he's not going to hate you over this because he actually really enjoys you like you guys have this this bond that's been created is very apparent like he wants to work with you and i thought that was like

at the end when you guys were talking i was like god it's so it's nice for this not to end on like a really you know fucked up note it ended very like pure and i really enjoyed that and i thought it was like a great little like bow yeah thanks yeah i was hoping i mean i really was just following what was happening in reality and i didn't know exactly you know i knew what we wanted to put in the last episode in terms of his spin-offs in terms of like confronting him with the truth that we were able to find but that that last 10 minutes i didn't know how that was gonna go i didn't know how he'd react to see the show i didn't know yeah any of that stuff so uh it was it was nice

and also that kind of speech where he gives at the end that was that was towards the very end too and that that kind of recontextualizing about how this look he failed in real life but this wound up being this thing and making the show and giving his life meaning you know whether you can read that any way you want you can read that with some distance and say oh he's just kind of trying to reshape the story so that he can you know function again or you can say oh this this actually did give his life meaning in a way that he wasn't able to get from this pursuit of justice that he was after or whatever um but no it all kind of came together at the very end i mean both in this show and in borat like there is a ability to respond quickly to like things that are completely unforeseen or unforeseeable and like just a faith that it's going to be like make

good content like how how do you think about that like that? Having this whole show that hinges on this conversation that was, you know, had to have been filmed, like, by its very nature, had to have been filmed long after most of the show was created. Like, do you just have this sort of faith that whatever it is it's going to be like honest or how do you think about that as as an artist are you reference and you're referencing the pandemic breaking out during the and then the pandemic breaking out in in bora yeah no i mean that i probably did pick up a lot of that from working with sasha like it's just this it's just this attitude you have to be open to pivot when new information presents itself and like that movie we were you know they had a great outline for that movie we were constantly rewriting had to kind of changing everything constantly constantly constantly and

it's just i think it's this element of risk that can make a thing feel accurately alive and like maybe things could have gone wrong maybe yeah bore out we were like shooting with those guys that he lived with jim and jerry and we knew we wanted to go to this gun rally the next day i mean all that stuff we only had one shot at it could have been a disaster it could have fallen apart and then the two days later we were shooting with rudy giuliani and if we if nothing interesting happened there would have been like well we don't have an ending of the whole movie now but i've been very lucky on these kind of high wire acts uh the last couple years that it's worked out but i don't you know it doesn't always work out but but um if you get a good group of people working with you and i had a really great team on this who you know producers who were i never knew how much money we were spending and

i would just be like okay we got to go do that we got to go back to florida okay let's go find this guy and we just figure out how to make this stuff happen and then editors on this were incredible of like okay we have hundreds of hours of footage how do we look at this and put it together in a way that makes sense as a story but it was this whole just like energy if you just get everyone on board it's like one way or another we're gonna figure this out and look and if it all fall apart if paul was like he watched the episode and he was just like you screwed me you my life. I would have had to deal with that. I would have had to put that in. You know, like a lot of it is like instincts.

It's just like being in touch with your instincts and following like a hunch of like, I feel like this is the direction to go. And I feel like this is going to work or get us something interesting. And then it's just luck, really. But I was lucky on this one for sure. Yeah, absolutely. What was like the hardest thing, like I guess emotionally for the, on this one for sure. Yeah, absolutely. What was, what was like the hardest thing? Like, I guess emotionally for you in making this, because like, like you said, you're watching him and his life unfold while also kind of, you know, navigating your own responsibility to him and obviously responsibility to yourself as a creator.

Like, was there like, were there ever any moments where you're kind of at odds with that? Or you always kind of, you kind of always had this vision and felt like any moments where you're kind of at odds with that or you always kind of you kind of always had this vision and felt like it was going to just kind of move in the same way i mean yeah there was always a conflict and you see it in the show on like these scenes that you know i i would read them years ago like scenes that he wrote and think they were very interesting or funny or weird and worth shooting and then we'd be on set where he's like telling an actress to like do something you know ditzy or whatever and i was like cringing that doctor senior yeah that stuff

was hard but i knew it that's why i was like well this will be an uncomfortable interesting scene to shoot and so i knew that going in but still doing it was like really hard to get through but then it was you know the hardest thing was probably that four hours of sitting in his kitchen at the end, which makes up about like a third of the last episode where I'm just showing him stuff. And you see, he keeps closing a laptop. He keeps like, it's hard.

He's denying it. And I'm having to present him with stuff like the letter, you know, to her parents or, you know, things that, I was like, all right, this is not going to be easy. We're going to talk about, we're going to talk through everything and we're going to, you know, cover our bases. And I tried to tell him, all right this is not going to be easy we're going to talk about we're going to talk through everything and we're going to you know cover our bases and i tried to tell them look this is to protect you like if this becomes a thing that people watch i can't hide

stuff that you did because it every there's reddit everything will come out like and so like i can't like for my sake hide things uh that i know to have happened to protect you because that'll make you me look worse and you look worse. Like we have to do this responsibly and honestly. We have to cover all sides of this, like in the time that we have. But yeah, that was, you know, that stuff wasn't easy because we have a weird relationship.

It's not just like a documentary filmmaker and subject. We've been doing this for 10 years. And it is like a very unique kind of friendship. But at the same time, I knew my responsibility was to the truth and reality. And so, you know, I knew part of that would involve putting him in uncomfortable moments.

Yeah. Yeah. And how did you sort of approach interacting with him? Because there are moments where you can tell where you're a little kind of like, Oh boy. And like, so how did you sort of like keep your composure and like

continue to work with him and not get sort of burnt out from his energy really i think i'm just i mean he is very likable in real life everyone on set loved him he's very i mean he's like he's exactly as he comes across but he's just like this kind of like upbeat very likable goofball and i don't know i have a a weird knack for, I'm pretty good with people who have like kind of extreme personalities. And I don't know where it comes from. But if you look like the history of people I've gravitated towards working with generally are out there or in some way, in some way, or just very forceful or driven or i i think i just i have a good vibe with people who are these very big presences and i'm very kind of attuned to working

with with people like that so yeah no i never i mean yeah it's you know like it's in the show it's like i there's a montage at the end of the fifth episode where you see like yeah at times i'm like exasperated and exhausted but then other times we're laughing together and it's like a family member or something it's just like yeah this person we drive each other crazy sometimes but i think we also do like each other and you know you just you navigate that do you think people can take things from your that final comfort you know conversation that happens in his kitchen for when they are trying to deprogram their fox news brand parents like have be like it's hard this is gonna come out guys well that's it like the camera the camera provides such a yeah imbalance of power and i tried to like do that

in the kitchen scene you could like the way i framed the behind the scenes shot you see i'm still hiding behind the camera and it's like i hold all the camera all the power in that situation where it's like you're on camera you're under the gun i'm gonna show you stuff you can lie right now if you want but i had all the power in that situation it's like yeah people can't do that with their parents that's why these conversations are so impossible and hard is is because in an actual conversation, there is, there isn't that imbalance. There isn't one person who's like, I'm the, I'm the questioner and you have to be responsible for what you say. And a lot of people are going to see this. See,

you better be careful. You know, that's why it's so hard to get with, to get, make progress with someone in real life, a loved one who's, who's dug into this stuff because all of our instincts are just to dig further in and become defensive and uh it's extremely i have you know issues like that in my own family i think everyone does and it's like yeah you you get you can have people you love who who are on a path and you know there's so much on social media or youtube algorithms i'll watch one, you know, Jordan Peterson video because someone sends it to me to like laugh at him. And then all my suggestions are just Ben Shapiro and, you know, all this shit. And it's like, oh, I see how people if you're not looking at that critically, you just zoom down that rabbit hole. And then suddenly it feels like, oh, the whole world is telling me that they're out to get me.

hole and then suddenly it feels like oh the whole world is telling me that they're out to get me and then you have what we were talking about before that like fox news you know nonsense kind of manufactured outrage against all this stuff that it's very hard to pull people out of the force of the force of the internet is is extremely powerful so i don't know i think what i think actually i was lucky with paul because he's not an inherently angry person he's not spending all day on youtube and on social media just getting indoctrinated and re-indoctrinated with this stuff he's just kind of his only concern with his own story that's it that's what's unique about him is he's not someone like most people fixated on where the world is going he's just concerned about kind of being vindicated

in his own life and feeling like he has value and worth. And that's, I think in large part, what's the, what this whole quest was about. And so I don't think he's sitting there watching this kind of stuff that just, you know, sucks you into this world of anger and resentment and,

uh, you know, this victimized feeling. Yeah. I will say, I do think. The Paul is cute. No,

no, no. I never gave me that cute. No, no, no. He never gave me that energy. Yeah, like you said, he's always very, like, into his own situation. Even in the scenes where he was being intimate, it was funny. He was like, yeah, this is weird for everyone. I know. I love his commentary on everything was great.

And also, like, I feel like he can run an incredible marketing agency. Because the way he marketed himself, his Google Docs filled with tweets. I was like, this is actually, he has something here. He built something here. He could be an unpaid intern. I was impressed. I was like, oh, I should have Google Docs full of tweets when I'm promoting stuff. I was like, this is actually quite genius. And he knows how to rework the system where he's like, you misspell a few things, then they don't think you're you know like i was like wow he's actually good because he got you to make this show jason like i was like right you can't hate paul because he actually knows what he's

doing and he could really i don't know build from here because i was quite impressed yeah i mean at the end of this he did get this made through force of. Like he just pushed and pushed forever and got it made. He did, I think, eventually get kicked off of Twitter and had to reactivate his account. Because if you see in the show, he has like a hundred and something thousand followers. Now he's got like 800 followers. Because actually, someone I read, there was like some sweep that Twitter did in like 2016, where they wiped out accounts that were doing just what Paul was doing, which he was basically like being a human bot essentially yeah and so that got that account got knocked out

because people see his twitter now wonder why he's got so many fewer followers i think that's what happened right yeah i i i i also was kind of like is he buying followers how is this moving so quickly how are these people following he was definitely i mean i do think he was following a thousand people a day, but I think he was buying followers as well. Yeah. Because it was like a hundred something thousand and he wasn't, I mean, but that was smart because I met him.

When he first tweeted me and I looked at his Twitter, I said 140,000 followers. I was like, oh, maybe this guy does have a movement behind him. Maybe this is a thing I don't know about. It worked. Yeah. Until I met him. until i met him until i met him and he was so honest about his press it was like oh no this is all a facade in the interest of getting this thing made this story up well i feel like we could talk talk to you

about this for hours quest is a good word for it it's really it's a quest. It goes beyond TV show. It's really just a quest. Great piece of art. Everyone needs to go watch Paul T. Goldman on Peacock. All six episodes are out now. Go. Stop this recording right now. Just go.

Watch it. Also, if you have MAGA parents, maybe try what Jason did. Just put him in front of a camcorder and see if that helps. I'll ask the fucking questions, grandma. And do all the research ahead of time. All their key points that they like to make. Pull up with a binder, web clips, everything. It actually won't be hard.

It's easier. I'd say it's easier when you have a a video of like a really nice guy explaining everything. He was doing it as missionary. Oh, me? No. Royce Rocco. Come on now. But yeah, thank you so much for doing it, Jason.

Where can people find you, follow you? I guess we already told them where they can watch Paul Teagle. Yeah, just go on Peacock and watch it. I mean, I'm on Twitter temporarily just to promote the show because there wasn't much of a marketing campaign, but yeah, I don't really post online. I just lurk. Make cool t-shirts.

Sometimes make t-shirts. We will take three t-shirts. Three J. Guevara's. I wear an XL. You sure you don't want the Fast As You Can Slam The Man shirt? I couldn't find it. I couldn't find it online. PaulTGoldman.com He's running a Redbubble store. It's on

87 different products. You can get a nice, you can get a queen-size comforter with that logo on it. You can get a dog bowl. All your Paul T. Goldman needs at PaulTGoldman.com Okay, I'll go buy it. He's on Cameo as well. If you've got a'll go buy it. And he's on Cameo as well.

If you've got a message for a loved one, he's doing Cameo for $50. That's a great Cameo, actually. He would be an amazing Cameo. Yeah, he's got five stars right now. And the other day he said he'd done 18 of them. And I watched one of them. He was like a guy wishing happy birthday to his wife. And he was like, thank you for not stealing my assets

he rips good stuff that's amazing you know he's gonna give it his all all right amazing thank you jason thanks guys wait okay you can get a slam the man as fast as you can shower curtain and scarf and scarf that's like i am just all written out on one line oh yeah like mouse pads hey guess what you guys this is what you're all getting for christmas all right we had to cut jason loose uh he had to run but what what an asshole right i think we can all agree he scammed us. How dare you? Yeah. No. That was awesome.

I mean, actually, after all that, now I'm starting to think, Paul scammed Jason. Yeah. But tremendous booking from super producer Anna Hosnier. That was so fun. Yeah, yeah. Anna, where can people find you, follow you, and is there a work of media, social or otherwise, that you've been enjoying? Yeah, you can follow me at Anna Hosnier on Twitter and then at Selling Hosnier on Instagram.

I have a Substack if you'd like to subscribe. It's sellinghosnier.substack.com. So can I do some promotion of live shows? Oh, yeah. I am doing two live shows this weekend at sf sketch fest i'll be in san francisco uh i will be doing matt lieb and vince mancini's podcast pod yourself a gun yeah on saturday at uh one uh january 28th at 10 p.m at piano fight in san francisco get your tickets now go just go to the sf sketch fest website type pod

yourself a gun you can find it and then on sunday january 29th at 4 p.m at the gateway theater we are doing a live will you accept this rose podcast with arden marine doug benson's gonna be on it paget brewster mike carossa i did oh maryland rice cub going to be on it. And Michael Hitchcock. If you guys know Michael Hitchcock, hilarious actor. I'm sure you guys know who he is if you saw him. But yeah, you can get tickets for that. Still available. So yeah, come see us at SFSketch for us. That'd be so fun to see you guys

see us guys and have us see you seeing us seeing you. And so that would be really great. And a, what is it called tweet or something that i've been enjoying some media media media okay here we go all right here's something i thought was funny from nick newman at nick underscore newman lydia tar belittled a pan-gender BIPOC student.

She groomed young women. One of them committed suicide. This morning, she got multiple Oscar nominations. Please tell me again how cancel culture is real. Which I was like, Jesus, have you guys seen Tarr? Oh my gosh. Wow. Oh my gosh.

It's true. Like everyone praises Lydia Tarr. Yeah. I'm just her behavior is deplorable. Out of control. Out of pocket. Even that was the thing I saw someone on Twitter being like, they were out of pocket and i spent like 20 minutes being like what yeah yeah so those are two different distinct unrelated meanings out of pocket being like i'm out of the pocket that i work in i guess essentially i always thought it meant like i'm working what i'm working out off my phone like out of my pocket but i think it just means i'm not in, I'm not at, I won't be at work, but yeah,

then there's also obviously, you know, what are your out of pocket expenses? Look, it's a very pliable phrase, you know? That's right. Uh,

miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Well, you can find me in the pocket because I'm all about the rhythm section on bass and drums, uh, at miles of gray on Twitter and Instagram.

And also I, I have a tick tock, but I haven't made anything. So I mean, shout out to people who follow me there, but I, I probably won't post anything quite yet until I get all my wigs and stuff in order.

Um, let's see. You can also find Jack and I on our podcast, miles and jack out, Matt boosties got a new episode, uh, and also for 20 day fiance, uh,

some tweets that are like just this one it's from at micah micah underscore irfan tweeted fun fact the divorce rate is the lowest it's been in 40 years and when you look at it on a chart you're like oh shit look at look at america doing its thing oh well just having a lower thing and then people were saying like is it because people aren't getting married as much and the this person saying that it's not taking into account the marriage rate. It's independent of that. It's just this is where we're at. Probably because enough of us have seen some weird ass marriages that we're starting to make better decisions.

But that's just my that's my. So divorce is down. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's because we all just went through the pandemic. We don't want to be alone. So you're just like sort of settling. I don't know. Maybe there's a dark side to everything. It's been. Well, it's because we all just went through the pandemic. We don't want to be alone. So you're just like sort of settling. I don't know.

Maybe there's a dark side to everything. It's been. Well, here's the thing. It's been on a downward trend since even before the 08 recession. Really? Yeah. Not enough people's wives are meeting Frank Grillo. That's a Paul T. Goldman reference.

Go watch the goddamn show because it's so good. And I would love him too if I met Frank Grillo. I'd be like, oh, Frank. Yeah. Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. I've enjoyed a couple tweets. Someone at Future Canon

tweeted exactly one year ago and that was on January 24th and they tweeted Paris Hilton's appearance on the jimmy fallon podcast where she introduced everyone to her ape to her nft and that is a moment that will go down in history and i'm glad that we're recognizing its one year anniversary and then sandra bullock three days ago tweeted i got so scared filming gravity i just thought that was a cool cool sentiment my father-in-law hates that movie yeah and then uh tessa at tessa paisa tweeted prepping my dad

to meet my non-binary friend and i cannot breathe at his response and it's just this text exchange also don't forget naomi is not a girl they are nine non-binary and if it's easier they would probably prefer you accidentally call them a boy than a girl lol and then the dad's response was okay can i just call them hey buddy yeah some real dead shit can i can i just call them hey buddy i can i just tell you i i had to tell my, I have a non-binary friend. I told my dad, they, them. My dad goes, okay, them. And I'm like, well, okay, just call them they.

Not literally. Yes, them. I am saying them. And I'm like, you can say they as well. And he kept saying them. And I was like, oh, my God, you are just. Why is them mad at me? Well, yeah, he couldn't figure it out.

And I was like, I know you're trying, but the parents, dude. Yeah. The parents. They're so silly. That's like the final frontier for boobers is the pronouns thing. Yeah. You know, they try, even if they're not fully there yet. I know.

Them try. Yeah. Them try. They're people in my family. I'm not going to. I mean, I've seen people in my family struggle in a good faith way to be like, ah, I mean, ah, I mean, I meant them. I'm sorry.

I'm really trying. And I'm like, you're getting panicked in the weirdest way about it. And they just walk off muttering and walk into traffic. Alright. Well, you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song that we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? rapper singer artist from the uk named eliza e-l-i-z-a this track is called a tear for the

dreadful the production is very like minimal like electronic hip-hop and her voice is really dope like the lyrics are super heavy um it's just if you want to hear something interesting future forward check this out a tear for the dreadful by eliza all right well we'll link off to that in the footnotes the daily zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning.

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