The Daily Zeitgeist - Constitutional Right To Livable Planet? Political Video Games?? 08.17.23

Episode Date: August 17, 2023

In episode 1533, Jack and Miles are joined by producer, comedian, and co-host of Get Played, Matt Apodaca, to discuss… Good News? Montana Courts Say Kids Have Right to Livable Planet, Ron DeSantis t...o Disney - Can We Just Like...Move On? An Upcoming Video Game Is So Realistic It Simulates A Homelessness Crisis, Getting Laid Off, and Gen Z Going Broke... And More! Good News? Montana Courts Say Kids Have Right to Not F**ked Planet Ron DeSantis to Disney - Can We Just Like...Move On? An Upcoming Video Game Is So Realistic It Simulates A Homelessness Crisis, Getting Laid Off, and Gen Z Going Broke... LISTEN: Couldn't Catch My Breathe by DJ HouseplantsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:08 Shout out my cat, Birdie. Shout out all the black cats out there. National Giftshop Day. Oh, yeah. Birdie. We got a black cat living in our backyard. Black cat in the back hat? Wow. In the back hat?
Starting point is 00:02:17 Wow. Wow. It's also National Hazy IPA Day. Uh-oh. National Nonprofit Day. Congressional Startup Day. National I Love My Feet Day. Interesting. National Massachusetts
Starting point is 00:02:28 Day. Shout out. What is it? The Bay State? What is Massachusetts called? The Bay State? Is that right? Is it a commonwealth? Yeah, Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Yeah. Why did I think... What is the Bay State?
Starting point is 00:02:43 Never mind. Oh, yeah, yeah. It is. Massachusetts is nicknamed the Bay State. Come on now. I lived there and everything. I don't remember that shit. Man, I played so much competitive hockey in New England, I should have that shit in my brain.
Starting point is 00:02:55 You and your hockey team would always say, fellas, we're headed to the Bay State. That's what they say. Get your counter beans. We're in bean town. My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. You turn me fudge round, baby, fudge round. Like a fudgy wudgy fudge round, round, round.
Starting point is 00:03:14 You turn me fudge round, baby, fudge round. That is courtesy of Maxer1216 on the Discord. Just imagining an alternate universe where all songs mention fudge rounds. Like that new viral country song by Oliver something. Oliver's either his first name or his last name. I can't remember. The big red-headed. The MAGA talent show winner.
Starting point is 00:03:42 That's who he is. The MAGA talent show winner. The second verse. If you've only heard the first verse, that's like a throwback to Pete Seeger. Stick around for the second, which is a throwback to last night's Gutfeld. Seems like it was written by Greg Gutfeld. Truly. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined, always By my co-host Mr. Miles Gray
Starting point is 00:04:05 It's Miles Gray, aka Law dropped, charge popped Got hit with the Rico, my crew caught Judge of the state where I got, got, got Rigging the folk and I can't stop Stop! Bad and bougie Okay, shout out to JMU61 On Discord for that
Starting point is 00:04:22 Wonderful Trump version of Bad and Bougie. And you even uploaded a voice note on the Discord post. You were really trying to really get that Trump down. Appreciate that. Thank you for that instruction. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, that was beautiful. That was well done.
Starting point is 00:04:38 We appreciate the voice message. That's how it's done. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the funniest comedians and podcasters doing it we felt like we were like wait is this really the first time you've been on is this really the first time we've ever talked to each other
Starting point is 00:04:56 because I definitely have like a parasocial relationship I've been a fan from a distance of his appearances on various podcasts like comedy bang bang dope boys uh he hosts the podcast get played he's one of the a handful of people who i can remember hearing on i forget which podcast it was but like i remember doing this with gabrus and carl tart and our guest today where i was like wait who's this i'm, where I was like, wait, who's this? I'm like Googling. Yeah, who's this guy?
Starting point is 00:05:27 Who's this guy? While swapping a cigarette and talking to Joe Pesci. Who is this guy? Who's this guy? Who's this guy? Anyways, it is the brilliant, the talented Matt Apodaca! Wow. This is all too much.
Starting point is 00:05:42 This is too much praise. Apodaca! For your boy. Yeah. I'm excited to be here. Yeah, we were saying that it's wild that this is my first time on. I feel like we have a lot of mutual friends. I'm near every guest that's on the show regularly. Yeah, I sort of know a lot of the guys.
Starting point is 00:05:59 But I was like, I don't know those guys. They seem great. I'm happy to be here. I am really, really sorry that I interrupted at the beginning. We were talking about how professional and like I keep it. And then I immediately got too comfortable. It was beautiful. It was beautiful.
Starting point is 00:06:16 It's just that I'm talking to my good friends, the internet. That's right. And, you know, I don't like to be interrupted when that happens. Gather around. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like it. I pissed him off. I fucked up.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Oh, man. We were also talking about that Gatorade commercial. Oh, yeah. The counterfactual Michael Jordan Gatorade commercial where he's like, what if I wasn't like the sickest motherfucker who ever picked up a basketball? Like, that would be so weird right what if it wasn't fucking awesome there uh i was watching these commercials yesterday on on get played we were talking about the donald trump pizza hut commercials
Starting point is 00:06:57 and because he was he was kind of their spokesperson for a while was it the big new yorker it was for the big new y. Yeah. And he eats the pizza crust first because it had the stuffed crust too. Oh, yeah. And we were positing that they had to come up with stuffed crust pizza because that's how he eats pizza anyway. And they had to justify why he would do that. I like, yeah, from the back always he like ate it wrong one time yeah and then it was just like no that's actually how i meant to do it this is how everybody should
Starting point is 00:07:31 do it that way yeah i'm normal you're you're insane because his style is to just scrape the toppings off he just eats the topping he likes it in a bowl he would he'd rather in a bowl yeah old pizza bowl yeah just scrape the good parts off. I feel like that was a product that was launched at some point by a pizza chain. Just the good parts? Like a pizza bowl. I think Papa John's did it, I think. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:57 Which again feels like something. One of their nasty creations, yeah. Very nasty. The people at Papa John's are very nasty. Wait, there was a pizza bowl? Wait, what was in it? It was just toppings. It's like cheese, sauce, pepperoni.
Starting point is 00:08:09 Fucking my life. Yeah. You probably want it to be a little more vegetable forward to be eating something like that, but there's probably not that many in there. Oh my God. I again feel like this is Trump getting involved somehow. Here's what you do, Papa. He calls him Papa.
Starting point is 00:08:25 The invisible hand behind the pizza chain world. It truly is like the Italian Meats Trio Papa Bowl. It's just pepperoni, sausage, meatballs topped with three cheeses and Italian seasoning baked to perfection in our signature sugar sauce.
Starting point is 00:08:43 That does seem uniquely American, though. does it not like like that like that type of food the fact that that counts as food well it's because it's so childish like that's what america we're shamelessly indulge our childish impulses where it's like i don't want to eat the pizza i just want the goo on the top part exactly like yeah okay fine meanwhile the rest of the world is like the fuck are you doing yeah like the fact that you can get like truffle mac and cheese and like act like it's not a dish for children yeah yeah or like you go to you get a starbucks and you get a train to a sized frappuccino a little milkshake a little bit let's have this the capacity of a
Starting point is 00:09:21 wine bottle sir but. But okay. We'll just sit back. We'll have a couple bottles of wine. Yeah. Three, four bottles of Frappuccino. Frappuccino. We'll have four or five bottles of Frappuccino. All right.
Starting point is 00:09:36 Matt, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. Yeah. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today. We got some good news out of a Montana court. So we're going to talk about that as regards climate change. As regards. The future of the planet. As regards.
Starting point is 00:09:53 Ron DeSantis is just like, whatever. Okay. Clearly I won. Let's just move on here. So we're going to talk about that. I'm trying to shoehorn a video game story in oh since matt you are a video game dude i'm a gamer guy as they're called again dude shout out game dude the best video game store in la yeah is that real oh yeah it's in north hollywood it's like a big
Starting point is 00:10:17 warehouse and they have fucking everything like you can go get you can get that genesis shit right there the cartridges are crisp that has to have come come on online like late 80s early 90s oh yeah 100 i have been going there since the early 90s like since 92 whoa yeah a bit of a game dude oh yeah all that plenty more but first matt what is something from your search history? Okay, well, yesterday I was Googling The Walking Dead, and I kind of went down like a rabbit hole because I fell off of the show. And I used to love the comics, and I was like, oh, do I get back into this? But now I see that there are like four spinoff shows that I just didn't watch,
Starting point is 00:11:03 and the show ended in its 11th season i was like there's just no way i'm gonna be able to do there's now like a star trek amount the walking dead that i'm just never gonna i probably never will get catch back up but i was just kind of seeing what each one of them was so a lot of the searches is just like the various like wikipedia entries for each show right and then why does that person have a strange name and i was like oh i've seen them in this and this and this or whatever and so i kind of just went down a walk a walking dead rabbit hole was the most recent how many recent walking like how many there's like fear the walking dead there's here's a
Starting point is 00:11:39 walking dead there's dead city which is a sequel to the Walking Dead. There's the Daryl Dixon show that's also a sequel. There's a prequel, isn't there? There's, what's it called? Oh, shoot, let me pull it up. Let me pull it up. The Walking Dead, The Walking Dead World Beyond? Yes, yeah. That one is like a story set in the future or something.
Starting point is 00:12:00 And then there's a new one coming out that brings back Rick Grimes and Michonne. And that one, I believe, is called The People Who Live or something like that. Oh, my God. Yeah. Or The Ones Who Live is coming in 2024. Wow. Andrew Lincoln left the show and they were going to do these movies with him as Rick Grimes. And he was going to be like a blockbuster,
Starting point is 00:12:25 like action hero, basically. And they just never did that. They just like never did. So he took him out of the show. He's like the best guy there. And he's like the lead of the comic book series too. And they took him out of the show.
Starting point is 00:12:39 They're like, we gotta be, we gotta put him in movies. And then they just never did it. And now they're bringing him back for a sp-off series after the show has ended weird it's like the character left tv to pursue a film career exactly like usually it's like the actor like clooney leaves er to pursue a film career you see like the character and it like it fails to launch yeah like there's just too many now and i am interested in catching up but i just don't know if i'll i just don't know if i'll do all that yeah when did you
Starting point is 00:13:13 like what is there is there a season that they consider like the peak because i stopped watching after frank darabont was like off it i was like i stuck with it for a while i actually probably did i was thinking about this yesterday and i was like when did i it for a while i actually probably did i was thinking about this yesterday and i was like when did i stop watching it like because i there was a consensus or where i or at least i thought it was like the show has kind of fallen off but i'm still watching it like i kind of stick with shows even if i don't love it same like i watched all of dexter like i've seen every yeah are you gonna watch because that's a expanded television universe that's coming right i can't watch oh did you watch the new
Starting point is 00:13:50 shit too i watched the new one too yeah did they make amends for just the i mean once it ended i was like all right yeah fuck you too thanks for nothing i thought i thought the new thing, I can't remember what it was called. I thought it was pretty good compared to the final season of how it ended. But I don't think they could ever capture the heights of the John Lithgow season. That was like lightning in a bottle. The show was not that good before that and never as good after that. It was kind of just like a lucky strike kind of when edward james almost was a fucking figment of yeah motherfuckers i was like you really went that deep in the season to be like sorry y'all this was just some fake shit
Starting point is 00:14:36 this is a figment of motherfuckers i was like this is terrible right anyway so when did when did walking dead peak just so i know when to go up to i i feel like when negan comes when jeffrey dean morgan comes into the series that's like it's it's huge in the comics too like he's such a presence and he's such a like dominant figure in the series and he's such like a like just a top villain i think that like Yeah. And Jeffrey Dean Morgan's performance in it is so, so great that I think it elevated it to quite a bit because also like you're used to the core group at that point. And you're like, oh shit, now he's in here and he's going to, you know,
Starting point is 00:15:18 if you're familiar with the comics, start getting some RBIs. But he like... He's the baseball bat guy? guy yeah he's a big baseball bat guy let's say and let's say he hits dingers this guy but he they sort of I don't know they they he does it and then he's around for a little bit but then they like I heard they like make him good and like I don't think I don't remember if the comics ever made him good, but then, you know,
Starting point is 00:15:47 I, I stuck through it with until Andrew Lincoln left. I was like, you know what? I think we're good here. This is fine. I think I'm done. Thanks though.
Starting point is 00:15:56 And that was probably like season six, season seven or something. And it went like five more seasons. Oh shit. Okay. Good to know. Yeah. Round six.
Starting point is 00:16:04 Yeah. When I get off off are they all like kind of of the same quality like that because it seemed yeah like that's the impression i get like the walking dead and then like dead city and yeah the spinoff shows also seem to be like all named by somebody who was like trying to come up with it like he had 15 minutes to come up with yeah the names of every series red machete next 20 years yeah he's like okay we're just gonna i'm just gonna rapid fire some off just like there's of course the ones who live uh which doesn't sound like that sounds like a daytime soap like it doesn't sound like it's part of the walking dead universe or just
Starting point is 00:16:42 like a plot description yeah yeah it's just about the ones who live uh you call it like the final girls or like you know some some no no it's just like the they're the ones who like the ones who lived from the uh what other part where the people just a bunch of bunch of harry potters walking around right but i i think they're i haven't i don't know anybody that watched the spinoffs and were like, these are as good. Like these are like, yeah, these are,
Starting point is 00:17:06 these are of similar quality. It feels like the Frank Darabont season was kind of like its own thing because it was like pretty serious. And not that the other shows became like less serious or whatever, but they became pulpier. I think like his was more of a grounded take and his like after that, it became just like a horror, like, you know, sort of just like blockbuster-y type of like show. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Yeah, I was all about the art when it comes to zombie apocalypse. Yeah, it was more, yeah, it was more, yeah, like, it was cinema as compared to, you know, the MCU of the Walking Dead universe. Dead city. Yeah. Welcome to dead city. Whoa. Everybody in this city is dead. What's something you think is overrated, Matt?
Starting point is 00:17:56 Okay, so you immediately had beef with this as soon as I entered it into the chat. Oh, you haven't revised? Yeah. No. I haven't revised yeah no i haven't revised this is not it jack pulled out a switch blade and licked the fucking blade we were like oh yeah and i opened one and it was a it was a comb and i was like oh yeah you're like it hurts it hurts it hurts Yeah. Ow. But I think of the big candies, Reese's peanut butter cups are overrated. And I'm going to go ahead and give you this grace. I'm not talking about the little guys.
Starting point is 00:18:38 I'm talking about the regular sized ones. The ratio is off. Interesting. Too much peanut butter? I. Interesting. Too much peanut butter? I think so. But like the little ones, you know the ones I'm talking about. Like you get the little guys. Not the minis, but like the little guys.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Yeah, yeah. That's it. I'll have one of those a year and be like, that was great. Self-control. I cannot eat any more than that. Have you had the big cup? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Do you think I'm going to go big when I think the regular size is the bad one? I will tell you that their chocolate ratio is a little bit more similar to the little guy chocolate ratio. I'm just blown up to a train-ta scale. You mean like the one that's like 14 pounds? Yeah, yeah i mean like the one that's like 14 pounds yeah yeah or like the one that's like 14 slices that look like they got wayne zielinski in the lab and yeah yeah yeah it's the size of a you know average laptop okay it's like the or no it's 14 inches i think the the diameter was 14 inches for that one and it like sold out instantly again because america's filled with people who are like yeah i want big reese's cup yeah i'm just talking about the ones that are called the big cup i think or something big cup they're probably like hockey puck size kind of but the ones that
Starting point is 00:19:53 have like the chips in them and shit those are fucking good yeah those are potato chips the pretzels i didn't i didn't know i because i don't keep up with the product line. I got it. I got to get in there and I'll try the big one. These are the Walking Dead spinoffs of the recent peanut butter cup. You know what I mean? Because I'll check in on what's going on and you know, I'll try a new M&M. M&M has got a new flavor every couple years or something. They'll do the pretzel. Yeah, the brownie one was kind of.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Do you try the brownie one? I tried the brownie one and I tried. They had like a pepper one, like a like not peppermint, but like a spicy one. And I was like, I'll try this. What? It was bad, but I tried the brownie one and I tried, they had like a pepper one, like a, like not peppermint, but like a spicy one. And I was like, I'll try this. What? It was bad, but I tried it. They shouldn't have done it. That's what I do every time I go to like the pharmacy, like if I go to like CVS or some
Starting point is 00:20:34 shit, because that's usually where like you can like, once I walk, they have, they perfectly place all that bullshit. Like, yeah. When I'm like, I'm like, oh, candy. Yeah. And I'm like, fuck it. I'll buy three bags of whatever the fuck m&m this whatever combination yeah i'm all like birthday cake fucking hershey kisses and
Starting point is 00:20:54 shit yeah you know what birthday cake they don't have to do that i think that's becoming overrated yeah that's a little too much and if i had to revise it and i don't think i'm allowed to i do think i would probably say birthday cake instead of reese's but since i can't revise it and i'm not being allowed to do that it is going to be yeah this will be on your tomb yeah yeah we did get an official ruling and yeah yeah it's already etched into my gravestone unfortunately so yeah there's not there's not a whole lot I can do about it. Matt Apodaca, then underneath, didn't know shit about candy. Yeah, big candy dumbass. Sorry, man, we kind of had to go hard on that. Yeah, it sucks that I'm being roasted, but you know what?
Starting point is 00:21:37 Posthumously, yeah. Yeah, it is what it is. I can't defend myself. I'm dead. Go off. I just have to say this out loud because it's like in my head now. You're really mad at me. And I'm so mad at you.
Starting point is 00:21:48 And I want you off the show right now. The show's over. No, I'm so mad. Have people talked about how your name is like, what, like perfect to be pronounced by E40 before? No,
Starting point is 00:22:00 I've not heard that. I've heard it's hard to pronounce. West Coast. Yeah. You guys nailed it right away, which was fantastic. How would E-40 say it? Apodaca. Yeah, Jack.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Oh, that's pretty good. If I ever meet- It's like Pascal Siakam. I thought you were doing Christopher Walken, like Apodaca. Yeah. That's good, too. I would like anyone of you who has a specific way of speaking, if you would like to take a crack at my last name
Starting point is 00:22:25 i know walk-ins listening yeah go off i'd love to hear it but it has to be because you talk a specific way not because you're gonna have fun saying it in the wrong way you know what i mean yeah you have to be like yeah william shatner's gotta say it actually you know what shatner keep my name out your mouth i don't need to talk and you've said that you've been saying i've been saying it i was like if shatner ever mentions me it's on site that's it wow yeah it's ugly it's ugly i think yeah shatner can catch the hands that's it yeah my my first instinct was just to go like waka flaka oh that's really good doc up aaco. Appa Doc Duvalier. I thought you were going to say that most of the word podcast is in my last name, which is true.
Starting point is 00:23:10 No, we don't. Yeah. No, you're clearly an industry plant. That's for sure. Yeah, exactly. Matt, a podcaster? Yeah, yeah. The idea wasn't really thought of until they got to me and they're like, wait a second.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Let's start this. Let's make everybody who would ever actually make money from it do that first and then we'll get him in there but you know everybody's been saying that behind your back you know you're the billy eilish of podcasting that's true yeah and you know what i'm that's that's good company for me i'm happy i'm happy with yeah i know it is i mean extremely but yeah. If I was as good as her at podcasts, the industry would be different, baby. That's right. What is something you think is under it?
Starting point is 00:23:52 Okay, I don't know if you guys are going to agree, but I do think that when people talk about movies and they talk about trilogies and they talk about like sacred trilogies, this one gets left off. like sacred trilogies this one gets left off nobody's really talking about this one in that same conversation and i think it deserves to be up there with some of the greats and it's the more recent planet of the apes trilogy starting with rise dawn and and war of the planet of the apes i think all three of those movies fucking whip ass they're so
Starting point is 00:24:26 good i really enjoyed the first two the third one got good reviews yeah and i didn't see it and i don't and i love movies and for some reason like yeah i know what you mean like there was just something about the culture at the time that was just like, yeah, I don't know, man. We're kind of over this shit. You want to see Monkey Ride a Horse? Come on. What are you, an idiot? Not even just Monkey Ride a Horse. Monkey Ride a Horse jumping through fire, shooting machine guns. Yeah. It was rules.
Starting point is 00:24:55 If that movie came out now, that's the only thing people would be talking about this year. They'd be like, I saw this fucking crazy thing happen in a movie. This is rebranded as Apes on Cocaine. And then you'll be like, I saw this fucking crazy thing happen in a movie. This is rebranded as like apes on cocaine. And then you'll be like, yo. Because like, is War of the Planet of the Apes when they have the showdown on the suspension bridge? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Or is that the second one? I think so. Well, there's a lot of like. Like where the gorillas pull up and they're like, yo, watch me throw some, like bring a helicopter down. Okay. Yeah. That is the second one. Yes.
Starting point is 00:25:22 Because they are, have retreated into the woods. They're further away from San Francisco in war war they're like somewhere else completely i think right because the first one is primarily in san francisco rise has the rise has the suspension bridge yeah and then they get in there the second one they sort of now are more talking and no they're still humans and then war is like it's war is crazy i missed that one yeah with woody harrelson like leading all these the fucking humans and shit yeah it's it's fucking great it's so good and gary oldman's in the second one it's got some star power behind these behind these ones they're good i went and saw the second one i was like no notes these seem to be
Starting point is 00:26:00 getting like way the first one i really enjoyed the second one i was like this is like way better yeah i can only imagine what the third one's gonna be like yeah and then i didn't see it same it's like the very rare blockbuster that's like gets good reviews that i just like didn't see so i don't know what it was yeah like just but i am part of the problem i will admit i think give it a spin. Check it out. I think it's so good. And I think it's like, I don't know, Steve Zahn plays a monkey in war.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Yeah, he does. And I'm a big Zahn head. I love Steve Zahn. Yeah. And he's so good in it. I loved him in this season of Gemstones. When I found out that he was in it, I like let's i'm ready for steve zahn the takeover i'm ready i thought it was going to happen after white lotus and i thought he was
Starting point is 00:26:49 going to be in a bunch of stuff i have a big pitch for him and uh maybe i shouldn't say uh i think i think he should be in a season of fargo and i think he'll bring home some hardware i think he'll fucking rip you know oh yeah yeah yeah he's totally poised yeah yeah we're ready for the renaissance but he does need to have a little interlude yeah it's it'sised yeah yeah we're ready for the renaissance but he does need to have a little interlude yeah it's it's interesting that he i didn't know he was in the third planet of the apes does he play human or he plays a monkey he plays like an ape that they did like experiments on and so but he's like kind of he so he's kind of like fucked up yeah is he the one in the trailer that looks like all hairless and shit? Yeah. He wears a jacket because he doesn't have any hair because he's and he wears a jacket because he's cold.
Starting point is 00:27:28 But he's really funny. Oh, wait. Is that the one where they said it was dressed like DeRay McKesson? Oh, I don't know. Because do you remember this jacket? I remember we were talking about this. That like one of like he was wearing like a blue like padded vest type shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:43 Yeah. Okay. So he does wear a vest in the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember when we were covering this, I remember, damn, this is how fucking back the show was going where people were like,
Starting point is 00:27:53 that monkey is dressed like DeRay McKesson. And everyone was like, yo, what? What are you saying, asshole? Yeah, yeah. But he has a moment in White Lotus where he does like ape man, an ape man thing that was like kind
Starting point is 00:28:05 of weird like he gets drunk and then starts being like i'm like pounding his chest he brought it he he used that he's using different parts yeah he's that's why he's just so good yeah zanisants and i know that they're making they're gonna be making some renaissance renaissance yeah they're gonna continue from war into whatever else. And the thing that is good about these movies is that it shouldn't work because you know what it's building to. Planet of the Apes is such a famous movie, and everybody knows the story of the movie. It's not, on paper, interesting how they get to that point where somebody you know where charlton heston comes back and is like get your hands off me you damn dirty ape that's not interesting but
Starting point is 00:28:50 every single one of them tells us such a cool story yeah like an escalation it rocks they're so good that's amazing all right i love this is a great underrated i'm not gonna comment on your overrated but this is a great it's okay i know not going to comment on your overrated, but this is a great underrated. It's okay. I know that you're mad, and there's nothing I can do about it, but I know that you're mad. I think that's probably right. I think the only reason that I don't have that same take
Starting point is 00:29:12 on Reese's Peanut Butter Cups is that I partake in all the different varieties, and so when I'm feeling a little over peanut buttered, I can always go to the King Cup. Yeah, and I'll always give it a try, because they're around. over peanut buttered i can always go to the the king yeah and and i and i i don't always i'll always give it a try because they're around like sometimes i'm like i want a little piece of candy oh my god reese is here i don't love that let me see if i if it's changed and every single time i take a bite i'm like i don't like it that much i will say you should just stop trying because
Starting point is 00:29:43 nobody it doesn't sound like i like them in else in the world doesn't seem like you like them. And nobody else in the world sees that and is like, oh, man, Reese's. Everybody else is like, hell yeah, they got a Reese's cup. I'm ruining it for somebody that wants one. I'm taking one bite and tossing it in the dang trash. Yes, absolutely. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll talk about some news.
Starting point is 00:30:05 We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.
Starting point is 00:31:13 And I'm Jimei Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions, like how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes!
Starting point is 00:31:33 Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do. Like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it like you miss 100 percent of the shots you never take? Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When you think of Mexican culture, you think of avocado, mariachi, delicious cuisine, and of course, lucha libre. It doesn't get more Mexican than this. And of course, Lucha Libre. It doesn't get more Mexican than this. Lucha Libre is known globally because it is much more than just a sport and much more than just entertainment. Lucha Libre is a type of storytelling.
Starting point is 00:32:33 It's a dance. It's tradition. It's culture. This is Lucha Libre Behind the Mask, a 12-episode podcast in both English and Spanish about the history and cultural richness of Lucha Libre. And I'm your host, Santos Escobar, the emperor of Lucha Libre and a WWE superstar. Santos! Santos! Join me as we learn more about the history behind this spectacular sport from its inception in the United States to how it became a global symbol of Mexican culture. We'll learn more about some of the most iconic heroes in the ring.
Starting point is 00:33:03 This is Lucha libre behind the mask listen to lucha libre behind the mask as part of my cultura podcast network on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you stream podcasts and we're back and this is actually going to be a full reese's show i guess there's climate change news but miles was checking out the new Reese's lineup. Reese's Cream? Have you had Reese's Creamy? No.
Starting point is 00:33:29 Versus Reese's Crunchy? Fuck out of here. What? Wow. Crunchy I could fuck with. I could give that a whirl. They did one where they put the Reese's cereal puffs in it. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Creamy is in like creamy peanut butter. No, no, no, no. No, that's a different one. Yeah. The one is creamy peanut butter versus crunchy peanut butter. I thought it was like a cream. Anyway. Oh, God. Creamy as in like creamy peanut butter. No, no, no, no. No, that's a different one. Yeah, the one is creamy peanut butter versus crunchy peanut butter. I thought it was like a cream. Anyway. Oh, God. For your coffee. Can I comment on the cereal real quick?
Starting point is 00:33:51 Yeah. I always felt like as a person of color, I always thought that that cereal was exclusively marketed to people of color because there's never white children in the commercials. I was like, what is going on here? This is just a cereal for us? The puffs are like really on point in terms of skin tone like these are real skin tones yeah absolutely yeah i quite literally see myself in the cereal so in that sense it was drawing me
Starting point is 00:34:17 like i'm off to the flame exactly yeah i was like this cereal is not for white children i know i think they those commercials really were. They're like, you ain't cool enough to eat this shit, white kids. Go back to your tricks. Yeah, exactly. Because this shit
Starting point is 00:34:33 definitely ain't for kids. Yeah. It ain't for mark ass kids like you. Yeah, because one was like, wasn't it like a wrap in one? Yeah, Reese's Puffs. Reese's Puffs.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Peanut butter chocolate flavor. Oh, man. I missed these. I think I was too old to have been around when this was being. I think they were made when I was like. Yeah. I was listening to radio. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:01 The Geritol Radio Hour. But I think these hit when i was like in middle school so i wasn't like watching saturday morning cartoons anymore yeah see oh there's the one white homie there was the one white homie with the two black guys yeah they invited him but like very but he plays a very like tertiary role in it because like the main action between the two black guys were like yeah this shit is good look i'm gonna go ahead and say it he's lucky to be there yeah yeah exactly and then like afterwards like don't think you can start using the n-word brad yeah yeah just because you like the cereal okay just you were just part of the
Starting point is 00:35:33 commercial yeah and then this one too yeah it's true i mean look rhesus maybe they were they've been a civil rights leader this whole time and you know what that's why i'll always vow to take at least one bite of any rhesus cup i see even if i don't like know what that's why i'll always vow to take at least one bite of any reese's cup i see even if i don't like it and that's why neoliberalism works because there's money being spent to change hearts and minds via reese's commercial right exactly same way i'll eat little caesars because the owner paid for rosa parks rent yeah yeah you know all right i see you. I see you. Salute the champions.
Starting point is 00:36:07 But anyway, good news. Shall we move on to? Yeah. Let's talk about some good news. So despite the ongoing tragedy in Maui or on Maui, it seems like we have like an actual bit of good news on the climate front. So this judge in Montana ruled in favor of a group of young plaintiffs like between ages like five and up to like around 22 or 21 uh that sued the state basically to change the state's laws underscoring their right to live in a you know fucking healthy world they basically argued that their constitutional
Starting point is 00:36:37 rights were being trampled on like being trampled on because the state like actually legally mandates a policy that uh you know like prioritizes fossil fuel use and also like the development of fossil fuel use so like it's just very like yeah it's on our books we love fucking gasoline and dino juice right and there's also a part of the those like mandates that actually make the state literally ignore the impact of fossil fuel use in greenhouse gas emissions they're like don't even look at that shit it's our policy in the state literally ignore the impact of fossil fuel use in greenhouse gas emissions they're like don't even look at that shit it's our policy in the state of montana so basically they went full earth fuck and the plaintiffs argued that the montana constitution grants them the right to a clean and healthful environment also like you know dignity help and
Starting point is 00:37:21 safety happiness equal protection under the law and they're saying this shit if you're mandating this kind of nonsense that completely that's violating our constitutional right yeah and the judge heard enough ruled in their favor and has now enjoined the state from implementing these laws in the future so it's done so a very small thing but many people are pointing to the fact that this is really significant yeah like a lot of policy people see this as a new tool to fight back because when all the facts and science and like are presented along with the impacts on the future generations, there seems to be a consensus that this amounts to a true constitutional violation that has to be considered. Yeah. Like it should be against the law for them to poison the future. Right. Yeah. the law for them to poison the future right yeah it's just because like i think it's abstract where it's like well you can't dump radioactive waste by a school like it's the same thing where it's like well we're not seeing it now so shit's just going in the air that who knows what impact that
Starting point is 00:38:17 has and now that they're articulating it it's yeah it's it's just pointing out that the current laws actually like mandate that you do destroy the earth yeah i think it's an easy one it was a probably the easiest one to go for because you're like they're literally saying ignore the fucking science here yeah like at our detriment like so what gives something i like about this story is that it includes that the ages of the plaintiffs the plaintiffs were 5 to 22 like it's like making it possible that it was the five-year-old that was like we gotta do something about this yeah yeah i mean hey hey hey get off your fucking playstation yeah yeah i'm five years old and i'm looking at my outlook and i'm feeling fucked over yeah yeah and then they're like okay let him cook let him cook he's fine yeah does he need a nap no he's he's being really serious okay he just had one he
Starting point is 00:39:09 just had one that's why he's so energetic right yeah he was arguing in front of the judge yeah climate change but it does seem to be like something inherent. Like, I don't know. This is definitely anecdotal, but it feels like young children are just like, yeah, no, I'm like a vegetarian because why wouldn't I be?
Starting point is 00:39:36 Are you fucking crazy? It's like, you're six. What are you talking about? But they're just, it seems like through just living in a world that is like completely deranged and completely fucking the future. Yeah. Like the message is getting to them despite the best efforts of kind of the mainstream media.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Yeah. I don't know how a little kid could look around now and be like, this seems fine. Like, it's like everything is just so markedly bad that like kids today have to be like hmm yeah what 10 years left i'll be 16 let's see if i can try to fix this thing like i'm i it's weird too like how my empath i used to be like man these young kids don't know we was out here on bicycles and shit yeah man shit was when you could get you know it was fucking beautiful yeah you used to go around the playgrounds and say yeah yeah y''all don't fucking know push the kid over now it's my turn on the swing yeah but then like now i'm truly like damn these kids aren't gonna know
Starting point is 00:40:32 some of the things like i look at my own little baby and i'm like this i don't even know what the fuck his world is gonna look like compared to the shit that i had and i'm like damn like it's that's kind of an l and now you realize you know this is truly like, damn, like it's, that's kind of an L. And now you realize, you know, this is truly like, this is the real fight that has the, that is taking place because this isn't the only place where lawsuits like this are happening. There's one in Hawaii, like in their other States, because again, it seems like a pretty good tool to use to try and counteract dino juice addiction. Yeah. It feels, and again, like, as we talked about in our episode about ministry for the future like we are in a unique position being inside the united states like we're in the belly
Starting point is 00:41:12 of the beast and like other countries are you know already kind of working with the new reality and just like enacting policies but the u.s is still in this bizarre cognitive dissonance spiral. Yeah. And then we're like, why is everyone so unhappy? It was like, well, because like,
Starting point is 00:41:34 there's a very clear reality that everyone's having to just like lock out and ignore to like get through their day to day lives. Yeah, absolutely. It's not good for you. It can't be good for you. No. No.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Yeah, the ocean's boiling in Florida. People are just like, ah, I just won't think about that. I'll just think about how my, I got third degree burns from walking on the sidewalk because it's so hot outside. Kidding me, dude?
Starting point is 00:42:00 We're going hot tubbing in the ocean. It's fucking tight. Yeah, it's so cool. You just can't stand for more than 10 minutes or else. Yeah, like your heart will stop. Yeah, you'll actually cook from the inside. Yeah, so you only want to get in there for just a little bit.
Starting point is 00:42:14 You're not on blood thinners, are you? We need your blood thick in there. Yeah, yeah. You know that metaphor about the frog and the boiling water? That's actually not a metaphor anymore. Look at all these frogs are reality you need to get the fuck out of there now well speaking of florida let's check in down there real quick ron desantis this is like i i'm enjoying ron desantis's campaign i did not think i would no heading in but man he is bad at this and just there's not a true like
Starting point is 00:42:49 note he is not he's yet to hit like a note that wasn't just like right you know the off and sour just sour and like false and completely like incapable of connecting with humans in any way. And then like every headline that comes out every week is some version of like people like Ron DeSantis till they fucking meet him. What must this be doing to his so many permutations of that? And other ones like is Ron DeSantis his biggest problem? Ron DeSantis. What's so funny because like i feel like a lot of these guys come out of the woodwork like even like like you know they start
Starting point is 00:43:32 talking they start campaigning and then they just like reveal themselves to be the biggest freaks on earth like like like a couple years ago when i didn't know i mean i was blessed to not know who ted cruz was and then he shows up and then he's just like the biggest dweeb on planet earth yeah it's like this guy fucking sucks he's like not even like not that like his policies would be better if he was cool but like he can't even pretend to be like a normal man well yeah he's just like there's he has like every terrible flaw like he's a coward like on top of being like a racist and like violently ignorant is like he doesn't stand for anything. His own wife.
Starting point is 00:44:09 You're like, yeah, are you a booger? Yeah. So, you know, Ron DeSantis now he's like trying to fucking write the ship. Like he's trying to be like, I'm the optics are so bad around everything I do. Like I need fucking help and he recently proclaimed that he's moved on from his feud with disney which is one of the central conflicts that has made him look like the most petulant asshole out there yeah and so again just to break it down again if you recall disney decided to speak up way too late in the game
Starting point is 00:44:41 when desantis decided to roll out his don't say gay bill and people were like uh disney's like oh yeah yeah actually yeah this is bad people like thank you it was weeks late but thank you for saying something this upset rob and he decided to nullify disney's like autonomous zone in orlando and install his own puppet board and there's all it's like legal fucking maneuvering this led disney to file a lawsuit against desantis and the state for what they described as quote a targeted campaign of government retaliation true and this led to just a ton of people roasting him like even donald trump's like oh you got in a fight with mickey mouse and you got humiliated and like no everyone was just fucking roasting his ass and now his latest quotes about it he's like trying to act like this whole thing wasn't an L the whole time.
Starting point is 00:45:28 This is the last thing he just said on CNBC. We've basically moved on. They're suing the state of Florida and they're going to lose that lawsuit. So what I would say is drop the lawsuit. So all we want to do is treat everybody the same and let's move forward. I'm totally fine with that. But I'm not fine with giving extraordinary privileges, you know, to one special company at the exclusion of everybody else. This guy really just pulled the middle school like.
Starting point is 00:45:54 I'm winning this fight. So you might as well. Yeah. Walk away. He's got really bad. He's Tim Robinson in the opening sketch of season three. When I start to lose lose i look at my phone phone yeah exactly right like truly it really doesn't feel like we're like in middle
Starting point is 00:46:12 school like kids like talking shit does someone claps back and makes them look like an absolute fool and then they go i'm actually i'm over it actually like i wasn't even happy like this wasn't even a fight anyway yeah right come on rob fuck right off it's impressive like i've just that that we've gotten to a place where this was like the great hope for defeating donald trump and he's just he's so bad every he can't like can't make a move that doesn't make him look like absolute shit yeah he's just's just a device, as Chris Crofton would say. You know what I mean? He just kind of goes where the shitty wind
Starting point is 00:46:49 blows and he has no real thought. So he's just trying to, he's just grasping at a ton of shit. Yeah. He's like Sideshow Bob stepping on rakes, but as a guy. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, let's take another quick break and we'll come back and talk about some pop
Starting point is 00:47:06 culture. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, dancing for the devil, the seven M Tik TOK cult. And I'm Cleo gray, former member of seven M films and Shekinah church.
Starting point is 00:47:24 And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and L.A.-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.
Starting point is 00:48:15 And I'm Jimei Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice.
Starting point is 00:48:41 And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do. Like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it?
Starting point is 00:48:54 Like you miss 100% of the shots you never take? Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When you think of Mexican culture, you think of avocado, mariachi, delicious cuisine,
Starting point is 00:49:21 and of course, lucha libre. It doesn't get more mexican than this lucha libre is known globally because it is much more than just a sport and much more than just entertainment lucha libre is a type of storytelling it's a dance it's tradition it's culture this is lucha libre behind the mask a 12 episode podcast in both english and spanish about the history and cultural richness of lucha libre and i'm your host santos escobar the emperor of lucha libre This is the Lucha iconic heroes in the ring. This is Lucha Libre Behind the Mask. Listen to Lucha Libre Behind
Starting point is 00:50:10 the Mask as part of My Cultura Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you stream podcasts. And we're back. And let's talk video games. Hey, we so rarely do it on this podcast do you guys not game uh miles games i game oh yeah yeah i'm i'm right now i'm like losing so many a lot of time playing civilization 6 on switch right oh interesting okay i used to love
Starting point is 00:50:43 playing the computer and i was like oh'm going to just download this real quick. It was a plain game, and then now I've, like, I love, yeah. Yeah, I game, baby. You game. Okay, you game. Yeah, yeah. Console or otherwise, just not on PC. I have the Switch.
Starting point is 00:50:57 I play Wordle. You play Wordle on Switch? Yeah, yeah. I'm a pretty serious gamer. We don't need to get into that. That's really cool. That you have probably the only Switch that has Wordle. Yeah. You see how he holds
Starting point is 00:51:09 it too. You see how he holds it vertically. Oh, interesting. Like a cell phone. I'm glad you have a game that you like and that's cool that you have Wordle on Switch. That's such a unique... That's really cool for you. I like to play the New York Times crossword puzzle on Switch.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Yeah. Okay, guys, we're going to have to talk offline. I don't think you know what a damn Switch is. This guy is lying. The important thing to know is I'm a gamer. People like me. So there's a sim game, a city planning sim style video game. So here's the thing about me i will listen to a video game
Starting point is 00:51:47 podcast describe video games to me that i've never played and that i probably never will play and i find it very interesting to hear about video games i find the promise very interesting you know yeah that's a lot of we get that feedback a lot when people are like i don't even play video games i just like to show and hear you guys talk about them and i'm just like that's that's i love it that's great i don't understand but i i love it because i don't listen i don't seek out things that i don't do myself to like i don't listen to podcasts about like welding or whatever like because i don't have an interest in it but but it hats off to all the welders i think. I think it's also like the Twitch thing, too, where I was always amazed. I'm like, motherfuckers are just
Starting point is 00:52:27 watching people? I'm like, no, give me the control. Yeah. But then you sit down and you watch it, and you're like, I'm just more captivated by this than any TV show I watched this year. You're like, it's the way he makes the characters talk shit to each other in Red Dead, though.
Starting point is 00:52:44 He's always picking the saltiest responses. It's fun. So this game, people are talking about how City Skylines 2 is coming out. I guess the first one came out in 2015. It's sold like 12 million copies since coming out. And it's like a city planning sim game. The video that I watched watched i watched two videos and i will tell you which of them i recommend one in one a guy builds a town on top of a volcano
Starting point is 00:53:15 and just absolutely repeatedly continuously pelts his city with meteors meteor strikes and his solution for storing his town's sewage is to put it all in the volcano and then it doesn't doesn't end well oh my god so for like the sanitation whatever department like he just routes all of it to go into like the fucking into the volcano i'll burn it yeah yeah and then by the end there's a huge catastrophe and then the other one was like an actual city planner being like all right so i'm gonna like do do this and see how it compares with the real yeah and that one is boring burn the shit with magma i get it i get it i mean if you could weaponize magma yeah why not yeah or use it as a way to deal with the you know refuse yeah yeah we're not
Starting point is 00:54:16 using magma enough i think and that's something absolutely yeah i think we should do that probably has no ramifications on the climate i think we should probably switch to magma yeah yeah dude what's the is it greenland or iceland what one of those that's like mostly volcanic powered like the whole the whole i think it's iceland is like everything is like just pipes that are working with underground geothermal man heat shit. Geothermal energy. Anyways, it's a possibility that we should all be looking into. But there's cool stuff. You can build hydroelectric dams and windmills
Starting point is 00:54:54 and figure out how you want to power things. But it seems like for the second one, they are taking a turn more towards the actual city planning version. and there's going to be volcanoes and shit though i'm hoping you can still do volcanoes yeah probably okay but i think they're adding more of an economic element to it and now your city can go broke there will be like
Starting point is 00:55:19 waves of layoffs there will be homelessness, epidemics in cities. Yeah, the use of prison labor, too, like, as an option. Is that real? Yeah. Wow. Oh, my God. So, it'll be interesting. Like, they're definitely opening themselves up to, because anytime you're, like, having a city simulation video game, like, there are political choices tied up in that right right if you if you decide to go like full libertarian and like that's the way to like run a successful city then you're probably
Starting point is 00:55:53 leaving something out and like that reflects a political choice that you're yeah but i don't know this seems like it's more tilted in uh here's what actually has happened yeah it's i think it's like a really interesting teaching tool too because like i video games have taught me a lot of shit like whether it's incorrect history or what fucking flags look like because i was playing so much carmen san diego as a kid right yeah it has the capacity to like give you sort of new ways of thinking like you even see it with sports like how madden has affected how like even nfl like people play like physical football and shit like that but like how insufferable people are to talk to about football
Starting point is 00:56:35 who played definitely affected that but like with like a game like this though like where you're trying to do like you're you know you're you're engaging in like a sim game but it's also like you're now having to actually consider these like sort of economic socio-economic factors as to how that works yeah i'm sure there's going to be people who are like fuck it like i just want to burn everybody with volcanic shit but then i'm sure like other people like to even see what those relationships are like in whatever your disposition is as a person you're gonna want to be like oh no like how do i optimize like the everybody doing well in this city oh i need to tax people oh there's revenues here from all these like rich people because those are all these like levers that you can pull in the game so and i'm i'm really interested in it just because
Starting point is 00:57:20 part of me wants to be like yeah i know how to do this and then cut to my shit burning down with liquid magma shit. But hey, we'll see. There's this video game that I love so much called Disco Elysium. Oh yeah, I just got that on Switch. You're going to love it. It's so great. It's like such a unique RPG,
Starting point is 00:57:40 point and click adventure type game. And what it is, is you're a detective who has amnesia and you're trying to solve a mystery of like one who you are why you're there and this murder that has taken place and the reason i bring it up is because you can sort of align politically with different political parties and that affects how you play the game so like you could side with fascists you could side with like these like neoliberal type people or you can be an anarchist and do sort of like your own thing and that's like
Starting point is 00:58:10 wild that's a wild choice too and it's interesting because these developers who are from uh europe i can't remember exactly where who made this game uh like europe close enough, yeah. Yeah, it's sort of just like they're from Europe. Well, they sort of had a more nuanced take on it than an American development team might have. Right, right. They were thinking about things a little more holistically. But you can play the game a bunch of different ways and in different playthroughs be like a completely different guy, basically,
Starting point is 00:58:43 even though you're still the one character. But it's interesting because they had to sort of account for any sort of other political choice you might make so like if you follow the fascist ending uh you you know stick with that and there's like other like things you can do within that as well that you know i didn't pick that one becomes like a totally different game yeah exactly yes like that's really interesting so like something like this the city one, I would hope that it wouldn't have like, well, this is my sincere hope. I would hope that it's made by good people and that there's not a fascism part of it at all.
Starting point is 00:59:15 Right. Or it's like, yeah, everything looks way cooler when you go full fash. Yeah, exactly. The cars are cooler. You get a bunch of stat bonuses for being racist. Kind of a police state. Yeah. But I would imagine that
Starting point is 00:59:29 if it is sort of a singular point of view, that yeah, things are probably being left out. Not everything is being accounted for, and that is interesting. I wonder how city builders too will handle it. Yeah. It seems like there's a lot of input, because there are
Starting point is 00:59:45 really trying to replicate like how real life relationships work like sim games are so popular and so um like beloved now there's so there's like a power washing simulator game and people just like like that because watching power uh washing things are like so satisfying and like then you doing it yeah like it's own thing too it's like it's such a fun thing yeah cause like I was just playing you know Jedi Survivor and like that's super fun and like
Starting point is 01:00:14 hacking them up with lightsabers but then like I've just been playing so much civilization and I realize like it's like the difference between like playing like sort of these like tentpole games that are super like action packed are just kind of like these really huge bursts of energy. Whereas like when I play Sims, I feel like I'm sculpting something because it takes time. Like it's not the game, you know, it just it it's as it's as in depth as you want to go.
Starting point is 01:00:37 So I think because of that, the like the way you engage with it is much deeper and much more patient. And I think I don't know, like I'm finding myself really liking that part of gaming again yeah process of it rather than like the instant dopamine hit of like oh shit can i use dual lightsabers and fucking cut this droid in three i loved that game as well and that was specifically why because i loved i loved the kylo ren stance yeah that heavy stance. I just loved ripping through people like that. I was always using the blaster. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:01:10 Oh, yeah. Well, you keep that thing. You get nasty with that. Oh, always. You never caught lacking. Never caught lacking. That game is... Once my seven-year-old finds out that that game exists,
Starting point is 01:01:22 I will lose him as a human being. Oh, yeah. He will be gone from me. You got to go incremental, man. Like, he just runs around our house pretending to do the shit that you guys just described. Just, like, all day. He's just like...
Starting point is 01:01:34 Oh, right. Yeah. Is he, like, force pushing shit? Blaster battles and shit. He's like, watch this force. Boom, fucked you up. Bam. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Does he have a little lightsaber? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. He's got lightsabers. He's also got, like, just anything becomes a lightsaber? Oh yeah He's got lightsabers He's also got like just anything becomes a lightsaber You know Four markers
Starting point is 01:01:51 Oh I missed that That was such a thing That was like the ultimate thing you could do with markers Stack them And that's like a baton of shit And then you always got mad when you hit something And it just fucking shattered This is probably An impossible question And that's like a baton of shit. And then you always got mad when you hit something and just fucking shatter.
Starting point is 01:02:06 Yeah. This is probably an impossible question and not one I should be asking with like a minute left in our show. But like, what would you say? Like, how's the political content of the video game industry compared to like, you know, movies are madellywood and they like think of themselves as being pretty liberal but then like they're also you know doing the work of yeah military and shit like it is it like kind of the same in the video game industry is it i feel like a lot of video games don't really do like there are some games that are like overtly like political like there's this game called papers please where you're like at like a border and like you are checking people's like papers whether or not they're allowed to come in yeah exactly yeah that's interesting disco elysium i would say
Starting point is 01:02:51 it's like a pretty political video game but like from as far as like triple a titles i don't think they're getting more political than like call of duty like that's like in india they're sort of like the army is good like that's like the thing is like yeah that's it rock star i mean some of rock star's games like you can tell are made with a little more thought like there's definitely like satire like it's particularly grand theft auto or like satire video games but that in mass people have uh ignored that part of it and people like the worst people are like grand theft auto is like the best fucking thing ever dude uh it's like it's fun and it's like interesting and like they do they are making fun of like you know all sides of the political spectrum i guess but it is like sometimes done with the less delicate hand in certain directions than they should in other directions
Starting point is 01:03:41 but i think they tried to do some of that in that cyberpunk 2077 also but like it actually is just kind of it's stupid like it doesn't it doesn't really say anything like it is kind of just like oh like yeah you can align with the cops or like you can like be like um but you end up doing a bunch of errands for cops actually and that feels like the shittiest thing ever like that's all video games though you are spider-man in the spider-man game you're helping cops all the time you're like this sucks i hate helping cops i would never be caught dead helping a cop that's also movies right like yeah that's true too yeah the default protagonist is cops like since i was a kid the only good guys are cops yeah yeah fucking good guy And like my favorite movie is Jaws.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Like randomly the protagonist of that's a fucking cop for some reason. Like why is the protagonist of Jaws a cop? The only good guy in Jaws is a shark. That's right. Yeah. Amen, brother. Get out of his ocean. Stop messing with him.
Starting point is 01:04:39 Yeah. You're fucking up my house. That's why I'm so close to y'all shit. Yeah. Leave Bruce alone. Yeah. All right. Well, Matt, truly a pleasure having you on the show. Oh, boy. up my house that's why i'm so close to y'all shit yeah leave bruce alone yeah all right well matt truly a pleasure having you on the show where can people find you follow you all that good stuff look i it's tough now with social media i'm not on x i used to be on twitter i used to really
Starting point is 01:04:59 love being on there i had some nice followers there i left i'm not there anymore you can follow me on instagram which i acknowledge is also a bad place to be but like well we gotta wait and see who wins the fight well yeah because then that's it is my sincere hope that zuckerberg hits him one time and his head falls off i just want the funniest thing to happen like a sock them like rock them sock them robots yeah just like goes up yeah but i'm on i'm on there i'm on threads but like am i on threads what's on threads yeah you know who's on first yeah but otherwise you know i'm on uh god my brain just completely stopped there's a lot of them i'm'm on the podcast Get Played with Nick Weiger and Heather Ann Campbell. Check that out wherever you get pods.
Starting point is 01:05:49 We have an anime Patreon show called Get Animated where we're talking. We watch like an entire series of anime, two episodes at a time for several weeks. And then we talk about it. We did Neon Genesis Evangelion. We did the show called Licorice Recoil. We watched Akira on there. I had never seen Akira before. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 01:06:09 Oh, man. That's a great movie. I watched that fairly recently, too. I watched it, yeah, for the first time last year and was like, this is one of the best movies I've ever seen.
Starting point is 01:06:18 I was like, it's so good. It's incredible. Yeah. Holy shit. Why was this kept from me? I had no idea. Why was this not one of the first movies I saw? I mean, I guess probably because it's maybe not appropriate for? I had no idea. Yeah, why was this not like one of the first movies I saw?
Starting point is 01:06:25 Yeah, I mean, I guess probably because it's maybe not appropriate. Yeah, it's certainly rated R. Fucking rules. I mean, that's why we're still waiting for that live action. I would be interested. I don't know if they need to do it, but I know that I feel like I heard that Taika Waititi was supposed to be doing it or something. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:41 And I trust Taika with that. I think he could do it. We'll see. Yeah, I mean, it is one of those things where like on its own it's completely amazing and but there's there's just something about that aesthetic where i'm like i would welcome to see that like sort of irl cinema oh yeah like a future that isn't that didn't come true like is like an interesting sort of like setting right like in terms of like technology and fashion like i think that movie's set in like 2015 or something like yeah and that's now long past and like it's nothing like that now 2019 yeah yeah oh yeah 2019 yeah it's like it's just so interesting but the slide works on t uh in live action you've seen it in things yeah i thought i had even not seen it before
Starting point is 01:07:21 i thought the slide like on the motorcycle was like the main thing. Well, this is certainly like the climax of the movie, him sliding on this motorcycle. And then when it happens 10 minutes into the movie, I was like, well, what the hell is the rest of this?
Starting point is 01:07:37 Yeah. And then it becomes the crazy, it becomes insane. And you're like, Oh, this, this rocks. But those are the two things that I,
Starting point is 01:07:44 uh, would like to plug in. Oh, I have, I worked, I produced this rocks. But those are the two things that I, uh, would like to plug in. Oh, I have, I worked, I produced this other show that's on the earwolf presents feed called expo expose with my pal, Jacob Wyzaki.
Starting point is 01:07:52 And we went to a bunch of different expos in Southern California and interviewed people there. And it's like, it's a very like sweet and like sincere show. It's not, it's a comedy show, but like, it's not that like sweet and like sincere show it's not it's a comedy show but like it's not that like that type of thing usually you see people going up to people and like making fun of the
Starting point is 01:08:10 people there or whatever it's like a very genuine like we're trying to just figure out what is going on here why people like it and learning about the different subcultures they're in and it's uh i think it's it came out really great and i hope people check it out oh amazing yeah is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? I guess you just told us about a couple. Those things, but I guess I'm on those things, so that don't count. Oh, my friend Chris Farren put out an album recently
Starting point is 01:08:37 called Doom Singer, and it's very good. It's a great album. Check out the song Cosmic Leash, and if that doesn't hook you, what the heck's wrong with you? You have ears? You got ears? You got a functioning ear? You can get hooked on this.
Starting point is 01:08:54 Yeah. Miles, where can people find you? Is there work media you've been enjoying? Yeah, all the at-based websites at Miles of Gray. That's M-I-L-E-S-G-R-A-Y. It's M I L E S G R a Y. It's wild. When sometimes people reach out, like type my handle,
Starting point is 01:09:09 but then misspell my first name. But Hey, it is what it's, uh, and also find us on the basketball podcast. Miles and Jack, I'm at boosties. Uh,
Starting point is 01:09:19 also the new true crime show I'm doing, uh, the good thief talking about the Greek Robin hood and also for 20 day fiance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Check crime show I'm doing, The Good Thief, talking about the Greek Robin Hood and also 420 Day Fiance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Check it all out. A tweet I like is this from Jesse McLaren at Mick Jesse tweeted. Country musicians are like, y'all, there's two things I can't stand. Socialism and the exploitation of my labor by the bourgeoisie.
Starting point is 01:09:44 I retweeted that yesterday. That is so good. So fucking good. Yeah, man. Oh, shit. Richmond, North Richmond. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:09:55 You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. On threads at Jack underscore O underscore O'Brien. A couple tweets I've been enjoying. Kingslay tweeted, I'm a huge fan of that post-laundry feeling where you've got all your A-list clothes back in the game. Ooh. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:12 Oh, man. Truly. Particularly the underwear. Like, I just have, like, some pairs of underwear that are, like, much better than the rest. There's, like, a real big differentiation between A-list and C c list there so and then uh harrison weinreb tweeted it's cool when a bathroom stall has a coat hook like yeah fuck it i'll hang
Starting point is 01:10:34 out you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and our website dailyzeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and our website, DailyZeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what's a song that you think people might enjoy?
Starting point is 01:10:57 Oh, this is going to be a remix of the banger from The Otts. Was it The Otts? Remember Tweet? Oh my. Oh my. of the banger from the aughts all right man was it the aughts remember tweet oh my oh my remember that's anyway some of us really remember that track anyway this is like a house techno-ish remix of that uh and it's really dope it's called couldn't catch my breath so check this one out from dj houseplants dj houseplants great name yeah all right we'll link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist
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