The Daily Zeitgeist - COP26 Bad Even For A Cop, Howard Schultz GETS It Man 11.10.21

Episode Date: November 10, 2021

In episode 1027, Jack and Miles are joined by co-host of Yo Is This Racist Andrew Ti to discuss that COP26- MSM headlines are a disaster, Howard Schultz is BEGGING workers to not unionize…with Holoc...aust metaphor? Portugal, where it’s illegal for your boss to contact you outside of work hours, Demi Lovato is now a conspiracy influencer… and more! COP26- MSM headlines are a disaster Howard Schultz is BEGGING workers to not unionize…with Holocaust metaphor? Portugal, where it’s illegal for your boss to contact you outside of work hours Demi Lovato is now a conspiracy influencer… LISTEN: Yo Is This RacistLISTEN: The Dress - Dijon Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:36 making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 210, Episode 3 of The Daily Zeitgeist!
Starting point is 00:02:06 A production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into, and you're never going to believe this, America's shared consciousness. It's Wednesday, November 10th, 2021. That is, of course... National Vanilla Cupcake Day. Which means, yes, I was getting there. It is National Vanilla Cupcake Day. Which means, yes, I was getting there. It is National Vanilla Cupcake Day.
Starting point is 00:02:27 And National Forget-Me-Not Day. Okay. What is a forget-me-not again? Is that a specific flower? This is, no, this was for, like, the soldiers. It says, November 10th reminds Americans of the sacrifices returning soldiers have made by the military. Yeah. But it's also a flower symbolizing remembrance.
Starting point is 00:02:46 And also the song that Men in Black is based off of melodically. You know, the forget me nots. Anyway. That feels like a mismatch of, like, forget me not feels
Starting point is 00:03:02 like it should be like big band horn music sung by people with pompadours or something well uh my name is jack o'brien aka dad hat 90s shoes there's not enough chairs for me or for you loud kids i'm due high i wish we had name tags Who is that guy I never know What to do with my hands Has anyone heard About the coal gas study
Starting point is 00:03:34 That is courtesy of Lex Lugy Just about my experience at kids Birthday parties Which I actually hit a good one this past weekend Just by myself, no kids, you know, just checking them out. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always,
Starting point is 00:03:49 by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! In honor of the historic event at COP26, here comes... She's a good girl Recycles her plastics She composts And buys to work each day but lobbyists outnumber every delegation in glasgow by two dozen or more and they're green green washing wow corporate green Green! Greenwashing! Wow.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Corporate green! Greenwashing! Okay, shout out to Marky Markarelias for that one, because yes, we'll get into that. There seem to be a lot more people repping the fossil fuel industry than actual global leaders at COP26. I blame that girl for not starting to ride her bike to work sooner. I think that's what's going to kill us all. Damn, you really went for it and got there with that high note. It was a risk. You know, sometimes you forget
Starting point is 00:04:54 where you start, what key you're in. I'm like, fuck, can I make it? Sometimes being every time for me. But by the way, mine was supposed to be a sharp-dressed man. I don't know if that was clear. We got that. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the very faces on Mount Zeitmore. Been way too damn long. He is a hilarious and brilliant writer, podcast host and producer. He created the blog, You Was This Racist,
Starting point is 00:05:21 and created and co-host the podcast of the same name with the great Tawny Newsome. He's a TV writer, but perhaps most influentially, he introduced us to the phrase Gish Gallop, which I have shoehorned into every conversation I've had since 2018. Please welcome the brilliant, the hilarious Andrew Teeb! Andrew, as prophesied, it is the return of the Muad Teeb. The hilarious Andrew T. Andrew S. As prophesied, it is the return of the Muad Tib. Oh. He's here. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:52 I actually thought of one that was slightly topical. Two weeks off, but I saw Dune, y'all. Yeah. I saw the shit out of Dune. Good if you shut off your brain, I feel like. Okay. As long as you don't think about any of the subtext, it's pretty good. I have seen, since the world opened back up, I've seen three movies.
Starting point is 00:06:11 Like, first there was the stutter step opened back up, and I saw F9, and I really liked that. The most recent stutter step, probably, since hospitalization rates are shooting back up. I saw Dune, and I saw The French Dispatch in theaters. We did the same thing. Oh my god, we should start going to movies together instead of me going by myself and creeping people out. I did not like either of those, the second ones.
Starting point is 00:06:36 The Dune or The French Dispatch. I don't know if we're doing Movie Club, but French Dispatch a little bit. I will say talk about it a little bit on yosas race is coming out tomorrow but it is wild that wes anderson decided that in our year of the lord 2021 was the time for the wes anderson take on prison protests and cops yeah like it is like in a vacuum if this movie had been made 10 years ago, it's whatever.
Starting point is 00:07:07 But right this second, it is the most tone-deaf thing. It's not even, like, bad exactly. I mean, it's kind of, but it's... The criticism is just like, how the fuck did you live through the last two years and think, I know what I want to say. Got it. And the answer is, he did not.
Starting point is 00:07:23 He did not live through the last two years. He lives in a dollhouse, a life-size dollhouse, I'm assuming. Yeah. His movies are always adorable. It's just very strange when they're on the subject of things that are happening. It's more about my story arc. He has remained the same since, you know, bottle rocket. And I have come to realize I'm a different person.
Starting point is 00:07:49 Yeah. Great. I still, I went into it with hope because I did really like the Grand Budapest hotel, but this one didn't really do it for me. Yeah, man. Grand Budapest hotel was the source of my tweet with my highest hopes and the least payoff, which was naming the porn parody the Grand Booty Stressed Hotel. I remember tweeting it and being like, this one's a good goal. I guess I'm famous now.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Yeah, nothing happened. You're like, watch me get a fucking agent off the strength of this one. Yeah, I truly, truly believed that in my heart of hearts when I typed it out. You're already like programming the number at UTA to show up on your phone as my agent. Yeah, it's like, it'll be easier to just pop up. You know what? Kafka was considered a failed writer in his time. But then, you know, people are going to rediscover that tweet in the Library of Congress.
Starting point is 00:08:44 And yeah, you're going to rediscover that tweet in the library of Congress. And yeah, you're going to go down in the annals or anals in the grand booty hotel of history. All right, Andrew, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of the things we're talking about, talk about the cop 26,
Starting point is 00:09:01 not even like the best cop, like cops are not good. But this one, this one's really not not even a good not even good for a cop. They really fucked up. We're going to talk about Howard Schultz. We're going to talk about Portugal, just like what it's like to work and live in a country where capital is not the only thing that has power. a country where capital is not the only thing that has power. We're going to talk about the new conspiracy influencer market because Demi Lovato has entered the game. All of that, plenty more. But first, Andrew, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history?
Starting point is 00:09:37 Something from my search history was hotel room workout. I started doing a little flying around because i i had some some time between gigs and i yeah i went to dallas for like kind of no reason my friend was just down there and i was like when were you down in dallas we know why you were there man it actually literally was like i arrived like right and like as it was happening and i was like oh shit you're like why did i pick this well it it did explain a little bit why tickets were straight up 70 to get to dallas right nobody wanted to go except for like a handful of creeps yeah but yeah as and as a result i searched hotel room workout yeah because i i had never done it makes sense that there's a you know proliferation of like youtube workouts in the last year and a half but yeah i started doing that
Starting point is 00:10:33 shit it is wildly embarrassing to do but i think it worked i feel like yeah it's like oh right i'm like felt sore and stuff yeah felt sore just from you know and it's it's the kind of shit where it's like if you if your hotel room comes with a chair you could do this type of dip and it's all the yeah it's all this shit underneath a table yeah all right i guess i guess i this is how i have to live now but but i've kept up with it i think i i like a little youtube person yelling at me yeah yeah don't want to know I'm alive anymore. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:11:07 I got the, I remember like back when I thought I would get ripped or something like that. I, a friend of mine who was like really into martial arts, like gave me like this, like Nate, like this Navy seal had created a book that was just all about not needing weights.
Starting point is 00:11:21 And it was essentially like what you're describing, which like it's anywhere. Just use your fucking make your body as strong as possible. Yeah. And I got, weights and it was essentially like what you're describing where it's like it's anywhere just use your fucking make your body as strong as possible yeah and i got you know it was fun for a while but then part of me like i did not know about proper weight distribution i almost pulled a fucking dining table like onto my throat and i was like yeah yeah like like it's that like yo the world is your gym if you really look at it, right. And it's like,
Starting point is 00:11:45 yeah, I know, but that's terrifying already. The gym is, can be a gym. Yeah. Like that's fine. So yeah, that,
Starting point is 00:11:55 that's the sort of, you know, person I am apparently late to the game. I guess nowhere. Now I have my, my new, my next job starts, uh,
Starting point is 00:12:04 after Thanksgiving, which is a weird time to start a tv writer's room but they know what they're doing for what like two seconds and then you go for you break again i'm told i'm told some some showrunners like that because you can kind of like get to know everyone and then noodle on or whatever one came up with in two weeks and then oh right right new year with uh i don't know i don't know how this works that's that shit is significantly above my head yeah yeah if it's like the vaulter scene in a succession where he's like noodle on give me your 48 best ideas by tomorrow just be be careful because that didn't end well for the vaulter employees i'm keeping i'm I'm keeping a Word doc right
Starting point is 00:12:46 now because I do, I'm like, I think every time you start a new writing job, it's like it feels wild and a little bit like they're never going to use this, but sometimes it's like a safety blanket to just come in with like 50 half-baked ideas.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Is that something? Is that something, Doc? Yeah. Is this cool? What do you think about that? Like, I don't know. I don't know. Never mind. I will just say, sneak preview, this will make more sense once I can talk about what it is, but my ideas doc has the band
Starting point is 00:13:17 UB40 as part of it in multiple bullet points. I mean, as well as any idea doc. What was the thing with UB40, like getting in a fight with someone? Didn't somebody try to fight UB40? Is that? Anyway, see, now this is going to make my Google search even better. Who brought UB40?
Starting point is 00:13:37 Brett Kavanaugh started a bar fight after a UB40 concert. But I think it involved him wanting to fight the singer of UB40. Maybe that's just my weird slash fic that I have going on upstairs. That is straight up white excellence right there. Brett Kavanaugh versus the white Jamaican.
Starting point is 00:13:57 He thought he was fighting Ali Campbell of UB40. But it was just some other dude. I think so. Kavanaugh instigated the altercation by throwing ice at another man for, quote, some unknown reason. Oh, this is the one
Starting point is 00:14:13 with Chris Dudley. Remember, he was with Chris Dudley. States that Kavanaugh and his friends, which included future NBA player Chris Dudley, were trying to determine whether the man was UB40 singer Ali Campbell. What the fuck? Oh, Chris Dudley. I totally forgot b.a. player chris dudley were trying to determine whether the man was ub40 singer ali campbell uh-huh fuck oh chris dudley i totally forgot about him yeah he's the guy who shack dunked on and then he threw the ball at shack yeah yeah what he didn't what the fuck kind of this is truly
Starting point is 00:14:39 like the simulation really just ran out of pieces that day. Yeah. Yeah, it was just random generating, like, okay, red, red wine. Kevin, I said he liked beer like 45 times in the national media, so we're just going to go with that. I don't know. Wow. Truly amazing.
Starting point is 00:14:59 What parts of the world did you see on your travels other than Dallas, if any? Just Dallas and Atlanta. Okay. Yeah, my? Just Dallas and Atlanta. Okay. Yeah, my sister's down in Atlanta. I, on a whim, went down there, and then on another whim, got my booster shot. Like, basically, the second the CDC was like, it's cool.
Starting point is 00:15:20 And it was a thing where, like, my physician in L.A. had been like, you know, it's going to be like, you should like really the, the supplies are going to be limited and dah, dah, dah. And I got to Atlanta and I like walked into a CVS and they were like, you want a booster shot? I was like, I guess so. I was actually just going to buy this toothpaste from out of town. All right. Well, if you want one, we got it. All right.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Yeah, truly. It was like I got like booster shot and like chicken tenders in like a 10 minute span. And I was like, God, this is the most guy with nothing to do in Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:15:55 I'm taking my boy to get his shot this morning. Actually, this Wednesday morning. Pretty exciting stuff. Oh, amazing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Yeah. The kid, the kid Yeah, the kid one. The kid one. Microchip Jr. It's not real. I'm assuming it's just one of those retractable needles that they put in.
Starting point is 00:16:13 What is, what's something you think is overrated? Being paranoid about buying fake shit. Like, I think it's partially because specifically the Chinese people
Starting point is 00:16:23 I hang out with have started to come into a little money so their asses are all buying Rolexes and shit. And I'm not there. And I suspect I'm, even if I could kind of afford it, would not be that type of person. So what I did do, I'm wearing it right now, really happy with it. I got a reissue that is possibly fake from Alibaba of like the communist military chinese watch oh damn that's and it is like like it was like 180 it arrived in like the most like literally like
Starting point is 00:16:56 it arrived in a plastic box that then looked like it was just like wrapped in basically paper towels and then like like a child had like used like clear plastic tape like it looked like i guess it looked most like a sort of like if i had to design an ied and i had 10 minutes to do it right so i was like shit what do i have around the house bomb maker yeah yeah it was like so yeah but you know it arrived and then i was like man i i don't did i did i buy this from alibaba did i get ripped off and i was like who gives a fuck i'm down i i am now uh not that alibaba is less evil than like amazon but it's sort of like differently evil right that's another marketplace i was gonna you know, I look at replica watches. 180 sounds like a lot off there.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Did you look DHG? Did you check out Weibian? Taobao? So it might be real is the thing. Because they're telling you you're buying like the genuine article rather than. Yeah. So the thing is, the genuine article. This is for anyone that gives a fuck.
Starting point is 00:18:03 This is a Seagull 1963 chronometer. And even the genuine article is arguably a fake because it's like maybe the factory. Yeah, so the factory in Tianjin in the 60s, 50s, like either stole the design or licensed it from, it's like a Swiss design that they kind of stole. I'm not really clear on all the details. Anyway, it's like boot swiss design that they kind of stole i'm not really clear on all the details anyway it's like bootlegs on top of bootlegs yeah i am embracing the chinese-ness of it got to but i'm good about it in general i think you know with like replica fashion like you know knockoffs becoming like a whole other level like versus like when we were
Starting point is 00:18:41 kids and it's like what's on canal street or like downtown at the alley like shit now is like people are getting away with selling shit on stock x which supposed to be thousands of dollars shoes that are replicas that are made abroad and like i just like how it up like the the outrage that it inspires in people who insist on paying like thousands of dollars for something where they're like oh that's fake dude like i'm like you don't like you're a kid and your whole value system is based on buying a thousand dollar pair of shoes like i hope your brain melts down when you say i bought these for a hundred well and it is like what is the utility it is the same thing with like yeah
Starting point is 00:19:19 fucking nfts right like what is the actual utility of ownership of a thing with only aesthetic value? Right. Like, I'm like, I don't need a watch to tell the time. In fact, I did, I did like the most actually pathological thing
Starting point is 00:19:35 in the movie theater the other day, which is I used my phone to illuminate my watch hands so I could check the time. Excuse me, sorry. My brain is straight up broken gotta see how much longer is left in this movie which movie was it that uh it was it was french dispatch okay i can't i can't anymore of this shit yeah yeah anyway embrace embrace the fakes y'all yeah it's an
Starting point is 00:20:03 idea that like should have have found its time. It makes total sense. But I just feel like it's too... Like the idea of just reps replacing it, becoming the thing that matters. I just can't. It's too damaging to the foundational ethos of our country that I feel like they're gonna find a way
Starting point is 00:20:25 to like end that well yeah yeah well that's why i was yeah it's also like ripping off the communist design i'm like all right right the other thing with the other i will say the other option with this watch that this company seagull sells they were selling a like watch i think my chinese is not good enough it would have taken me forever to actually read all the Chinese. But it appeared to be commemorating the partitioning of Korea. It was like the 38th parallel celebration anti-US watch. Hell yeah. That's fucking dope. I was like, that's probably a bridge too far for me to buy.
Starting point is 00:21:01 But it was very intense. Yeah. Anything that would outrage rich people, I think great you know yeah this one was i was like i think my south korean friends would be like that's kind of fucked up and i'm right right okay no but i mean i think of even like because you look at gucci and stuff their designs are starting to mimic what a knockoff would be like a lot of their hoodies now like with the sort of crude screen print design and like throwback aesthetic like they're sort of echoing the pirated material wasn't that the story of the big polo am i crazy yeah yeah yeah i think so and but it's also funny to see people like who are like man like get so heated about someone who paid
Starting point is 00:21:42 70 for the thing that looks exactly like their $1,000 thing. Yeah. Because they need the exclusivity. Yeah. And I'm like, that's the NFT mindset, baby. Challenge that shit more. Be like, I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I'm in horrifically fake Versace.
Starting point is 00:21:56 The fuck with you. This shit doesn't mean anything. Right. What is something you think is underrated? Underrated? I did this yesterday for breakfast. Eating a persimmon at an apple.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Just standing at my sink. I was going to eat a persimmon. The firm kind, not the one that needs to be super buttered. The tomato kind. I was like, I tore the stem off and I was like, shit, this is a little riper than I thought.
Starting point is 00:22:24 But I was like, I already tore the stem off and I was like, shit, this is a little riper than I thought. But I was like, I already tore the stem off. I just took a bite, like, you know, sort of laterally into it. And it was really good. I love pouring down. I love me a persimmon. I mean, guys, get invested. Like we said, with Shireen coming on saying this is the time for persimmons. I feel like now you're saying, like, see, there's some momentum going with persimmon season they're they're mad they're mad cheap at a little tokyo marketplace downtown
Starting point is 00:22:50 so is it like a fuyu persimmon or what kind of yeah that's the is that the firmer one yeah i think so it's you know i'm i'm persimmon ignorant so yeah the fuyu yeah yeah yeah they're they're the ones they're the ones that you don't have to worry about. The other one has a very small ripeness window, and outside of that ripeness window it's actually kind of gross. It's very astringent. It's this kind of
Starting point is 00:23:15 I guess it's base. Too much base. It's literally got too much base. That's always been my problem. The Fuyu is sort of like good, even if it's underripe, it'll just sort of taste like an underripe apple. Like a little green
Starting point is 00:23:31 taste, but not disgusting. And when they're ripe, they're the best food. But yeah, I just ate that shit standing at the sink with a cup of coffee and a persimmon, like a straight-up lunatic.
Starting point is 00:23:47 You just have a big towel tucked into your collar or your shirt. I think I was wearing a bathrobe. I have a bowl of the tomato, the other kind, and when you just mentioned this, I was like, oh yeah, I've been letting them ripen in a closet.
Starting point is 00:24:07 I should go check on those. And then you were like, yeah, they have a one-minute window. But it's so good when in the window. It truly is just like if pudding grew on a tree. It's so insane. I never have a good persimmon, man. I need to put in i'm gonna go to the farmer's market and be like yo cut me the best one right fucking yeah i need to know because half the time
Starting point is 00:24:33 like i pull them off of friends trees and stuff and they're like no they're good off there but i don't know which one to fucking pick yeah yeah it's like shit let them let them the the firm ones let them get like a little like soft like a like a maybe like overripe avocado like consistency like you can like i know that feeling you can't push all the way through it but you can you know it has a significant give yeah yeah but man i love a love a fucking persimmon yeah it's it's persimmon season y'all is it it's probably we're probably just out of it but right but just generally culturally it's persimmon season oh and you can get the dried persimmons which is uh i think japanese maybe it's a korean thing but those are those are good all the time it's been during the
Starting point is 00:25:15 summer dried persimmons and like a little whiskey after dinner was like a perfect combination refined as fuck yeah all right Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about the COP26. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix
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Starting point is 00:29:11 No, you mean you have to listen to us. I mean, you can still watch us, but you got to listen. Like, if you're watching us, you have to tell us. Like, if you're out the window, you have to say, hey, I'm watching you outside of the window. Just, you know what? Listen to the Amber and Lacey, Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And let's check in with some headlines on, you know, the COP26, the all the most powerful countries in the world coming together to solve climate change.
Starting point is 00:29:51 What we got, I mean, must be dominating headlines, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, look around. Let's see. NBC has one. It says his country is sinking. So he's rolling up his pants to make the point at COP26. Cute. That's very cutting, illuminating, gives me a complete understanding of the progress that's being made in terms of combating climate change. Climate change as depicted by Wes Anderson. Poor guy rolls up pants because Earth death. That's not very revealing. And then I went on CNN. I did a command F find to just see if cop 26 come up nothing on
Starting point is 00:30:25 the front page abc nothing on the front page pretty disturbing considering that this is you know a lot of people saying the most important conference of this year and the near future to begin to tackle climate change and you and this is on top of like reports that came out yesterday morning from the Climate Action Tracker, which is like a watchdog organization that said, based on like everything they're seeing, the global greenhouse gas emissions in 2030 will still be roughly twice as high as what's necessary to limit warming to 1.5 degrees. It's looking like it's more on track to be 2.4. And the other thing is that they say, quote, the net zero goals of 40 countries account for 85% of global emission cuts, but the group found only 6% of those emissions were backed
Starting point is 00:31:13 up by concrete plans. Right. So a lot of fucking talk. And here's the other thing that I think is really interesting. It's only on more like progressive news sites or like activist sort of, you know, web places where sort of like the substantive information is being held, where this glaring statistic came up, which was born out of this group called Global Witness, who did just some research at COP26 that said, here's the thing, quote, if the fossil fuel lobby were a country delegation at COP, it would be the largest with 503 delegates
Starting point is 00:31:47 Two dozen more than the largest country delegation Okay That's right So there are more people That's some Weyland-Yutani shit It's like the corporation really owns this They have more people representing the fossil fuel industry Than the combined delegations of the eight worst affected countries by climate change.
Starting point is 00:32:06 Sure. This is the dynamic currently at this thing, but we're talking about this guy is rolling up his pant legs. Gee. Yeah. I mean, isn't that good, though? I mean, think about it. BP now does all those clean energy ads.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Like, they're probably... Right. I don't know. they're probably right. I don't know. They're probably being influenced by this. So you tell me who wins. Right. I'm just saying there's a, there was a global witness was also saying that if you go inside,
Starting point is 00:32:37 right. To some of like the convention halls where, you know, there's presentations done on quote unquote energy transition, you know, like getting away from the dirty shit and on to the good shit you know that it's the same companies like shell or you know like the national gas companies of different countries out there just being like you know for
Starting point is 00:32:56 example one thing will be like yes we're touting hydrogen as a new clean fuel source and then if you look at the fine print it's like we will use fossil fuel fossil fuel generated electricity in the production of this hydrogen yeah and you're like so what the fuck is this because you're just saying well we still got to use it just use it to make good stuff i i guess the little tiny argument which is not what they want is like if everyone was have had like hydrogen cars or whatever it would would be easier to change that electricity to whatever nuclear fusion at some point in the future. It gives us at least the mechanics to get off of fossil fuels, even though, as I say that,
Starting point is 00:33:39 the fact that Shell paid for it means that's not the plan. At the same time, BP now does stand for Beyond Petroleum. So I don't know if you guys knew that. Oh, that's the vegan petroleum that's like made out of soybeans. Yes, exactly. It is literally probably made out of soybeans, actually. Everything is. I think that's just so frustrating, right?
Starting point is 00:34:01 It's like, truly, there has to be a reckoning and you know a real acknowledgement of like class struggle and mobility as it relates to all of this but instead you have like the richest assholes circle jerking so they can hopefully in their minds just die peacefully while we're all left to like deal with like the real fucked up parts yeah and like it just feels so you know like empty i will say the the pull quote about the um fossil fuel lobby let's see more than the combined delegations of the eight worst affected countries there is probably something to be said for like the worst eight worst affected countries i would bet money are the eight poorest countries in the world sure uh or near near that and and there
Starting point is 00:34:45 is probably a thing where it's like yes those people need to be there to advocate for themselves but like they're you know their their stance is sort of clear and they are fighting like what what are they going to do at this conference like hey stop doing this to us. And America will say no. Which is happening now, like by that NBC article where, you know, this I think somewhere in Polynesia, this representative is like, you know, trying to be like, this is where the water's at, you know, by rolling up. And then, yeah, it's true. There's indigenous activists. There's so many activists there as well, screaming at the top of their lungs. And they're like, this whole thing is absurd like when you walk into it like these people this is not has
Starting point is 00:35:29 nothing to do with like our sincere reckoning with what you know what our energy mix is and our carbon emissions are yeah and yeah the class of it is like by the time even like middle-class american voters feel some of this in a reasonable sense like right you know the rest yeah it's beyond too late the way that i petroleum beyond too late yeah it's it's an apocalypse but it's vegan it's great right oh i also feel like the way this is hitting a lot of brains is that you know people are probably like aware that not enough is being done. But then like Greta Thunberg is being like turned into, I don't know, I was listening to like a not serious podcast that just is sort of people riffing and like they were talking about Greta Thunberg is like this, like the world is ending. We must all like sort of doom and gloom type shit. And I just feel like people are, I don't know that that's like the face of climate change
Starting point is 00:36:34 is now just going to be like negative. Like, yeah, it's a bunch of, I mean, it's, it's Cassandra. It literally is just like, she could just predict the future as much as she wants, but no one, you know, no one will believe it. i mean i think despite her like very clear-eyed like this is horseshit assessment of what's happening yeah i think the other side of that is that there are a lot of people now that like doomerism is becoming um of an attractive proposition to certain groups
Starting point is 00:37:00 to just insist that shit's fucked, it's too late, don't even fucking bother, and let's just accept it. And that's just like, ugh. Yeah. Absolutely not. Things can be done, and I think it's an absurd notion to just say, let's just lean into the doomerism aspect of it. But it's hard to stay optimistic when you see the people that are supposed to be making the decisions be like,
Starting point is 00:37:23 yeah, and we'll give you a little bit of money to combat climate change and also that's a debt generating loan right yeah the doomerism i would suspect is like fueled by the coke brothers but yeah i feel like even they have to understand that or funded by them but i feel like even they have to understand that that only goes so far before people just start eating the Koch brothers, right? Like, if only. Yeah. But then it's like arguing about whether to eat the Koch brothers is what, you
Starting point is 00:37:53 know, defends them, defends their power for another couple years. Yeah. And then, yeah. Yeah. Well, let's check in with somebody who's a little bit more down to earth, and that is your boy, our boy, Howard Schultz.
Starting point is 00:38:11 Oh yeah. Who is, you know, he's not like specifically mentioning the fact that like some of his stores are thinking about unionizing a bunch of his employees are thinking about unionizing. He's just like throwing out stories that he knows. Just, hey, you guys about to vote?
Starting point is 00:38:27 Putting this out there. I don't know. You guys about to vote on unionizing? Okay. All right. All right. Well, I just want to say, hey, I'm Howard. Just a guy concerned shareholder.
Starting point is 00:38:38 In fact, I'm the largest shareholder of Starbucks stock. I used to be the CEO, but I just wanted to come talk to you about, you know, you got this important vote coming up and I just kind of want to extol the virtues of Starbucks as a company. So he went to go lobby these workers in Buffalo where three stores are going to vote on unionizing, which could have vast implications, not just across Starbucks, but in the quick service industry because they have such a large share of workers. This man had the hopes of Chipotle riding on his shoulders as he went up in front of these people. They're like, Howard, you got to fucking nail this one, bro.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Or Chipotle is, we're going to make money. So they've been, first of all, Starbucks has been doing all kinds of union busting shit up until this point. You know, like having mandatory anti-union meetings, anti-union emails. They temporarily closed two unionizing stores under the guise of like, no, it's a training. We had to do a training day. That's what it was. And then Denzel Washington made them smoke PCP on accident. And then we had to fire them because they passed.
Starting point is 00:39:44 They popped on their drug test. You know, they gave pay raises to sort of be like, here, just maybe more bread and a circus or two will keep them at bay. None of that has really been working. So he went on to speak and he said all this stuff about like, just being like, oh, we did, we got, you know, stock options for you guys. We were doing healthcare before other people. And you know, I'll be fair. Their benefits are pretty good as compared to other, you know, comparable jobs. But let's be real in terms of like your humanity not doing enough. And so everyone was just sort of like they're kind of like, yeah, we get it. It's so great. What what's your point here? Until the end of his 45 minute discussion, he evokes the Holocaust. And he as he says before, he's like, I'm Jewish. I
Starting point is 00:40:26 went to speak to a rabbi when I was in Israel. And he told me this story and it just really resonated with me. And he begins telling this room full of Starbucks employees about the altruism that was happening during the Holocaust. So let me play this for you. Men were separated from women and women were separated from children. And one person for every six was given a blanket. One blanket for every six people. And the person who got the blanket had to decide what to do with this blanket that I have for myself.
Starting point is 00:41:09 And not everyone, but most people, most people shared their blanket with five other people. And the rabbi says to me, take your blanket and go share it with five other people. And so much of that story is threaded into what we have tried to do at Starbucks. Share a blanket. Okay. That is fucking amazing. Like I had read that this happened happened but i hadn't heard it until just now and it's the idea of sharing is so profound to him like the idea of unselfishness
Starting point is 00:41:57 is so like mind-bending like that even just when i said maybe they need insurance you're right oh what the fuck he's like and then they didn't keep it for themselves and let everybody else freeze to death wait a second hold on take me back a little bit let's rewind a second because you said that only one person for every six got so what the fuck would they what are you talking about man they're probably not as warm as they could be but i did rabbi i did I did share it with, as a CEO, I shared it with the COO, the SVP of global strategy, the CFO, the C-suite people. And we split the profits. It was a great blanket we shared.
Starting point is 00:42:37 But in this instance, the idea that I'm sorry, man, like this metaphor that the multinational corporation is in the, is that they're in the trench yeah there's another person workers right like and saying like we got to work together man it's like if anything in this you would be the nazis because they were in they were in control of blanket distribution right and you are here giving people one fucking blanket like right like actually consider the power dynamics here well Well, also, the weird thing about the metaphor is it doesn't work because it's like, it falls apart in the most people and then it falls apart when he says, but not everybody.
Starting point is 00:43:15 And it's like, hey, guess what? If they were in a union, maybe even if, everybody would have had to share their blankets and it would have been the right thing to do and it would have elevated all of us. But like it actually is like, I don't know, that all those like needless people freezing to death is exactly what the union does. This is who you want in charge of your life is somebody who like this is also a story. is somebody who like this is also a story apparently he's told at like shareholder meetings yeah somebody who has one anecdote that has just like fucking stabbed into their brain like what the fuck man i'm sorry anything you guys i have my mind is fucking blown here so what they what
Starting point is 00:43:59 one person gave it to the other people that's's just like, it doesn't even make fucking sense. But he thinks there's one historical instance of selflessness and sharing that he keeps fucking bringing up. And this is the person you want in charge of your life. Tiny mitigating factor is, I did think this was a more classic anti-union parable. And I, for a a moment truly thought the the punchline was going to be and everyone who shared all six people died but everyone who kept
Starting point is 00:44:32 the blanket for themselves at least wanted six or five yeah and that might happen at your stores i don't know we're looking they're kind of underperforming so we may shut them down i don't know i don't know i don't know but like it's it's really something else especially when you have this man who became a billionaire off the backs of the people he's talking to in that room you know what i mean and just being like hey man i'm just look i know i've been extracting all of my wealth from your labor i'm just asking for like a momentary pause in the smoke and just maybe this story will just persuade you i will say obviously you know listeners can't see the video but maybe they can find it maybe it's link in the show i don't know i don't know how it's on starbucks official channel yeah it is the whole 45 minute talk it is truly though actually it's been a while since I've seen like a Radisson hotel room configured quite the way it was because it was basically like hotel chairs, but it was in the round.
Starting point is 00:45:30 So he's like a panopticon. He's like that Louis C.K. special. Yeah, just what a what a unnerving way to do your forced anti-union speech. Right. Yeah. Very unpleasant optics. anti-union speech right yeah very unpleasant suffice to say it did not go i mean i don't know a lot of people were just left confused but the voting is supposed to begin this week actually today but starbucks has been trying to delay that vote from happening but you know what
Starting point is 00:45:56 hats off to you starbucks fucking get your shit green hats off to your asses yeah let's just check in real quick uh with what it's like in other countries where capital doesn't have all the power and people like howard schultz is not like the person in charge of making all the decisions and like pro-labor laws actually stick portugal has made it so a lot of businesses are committing to remote work being part of our new reality in our new reality they're giving more flexible options to their employees and you know people are asking for there to be like some boundaries that they can like put up between their home life and their work life, because that is something that will happen when you work from home is that like suddenly you're just working around the clock.
Starting point is 00:46:51 And so Portugal had a kind of unique take on this. Yeah. Yeah. They're helping, you know, according to their socialist party government, they've released their new legislation that's been voted through. And these rules, again, meant to help these people who are working remotely, because also, I think they're also interested in creating a country like a culture too, that would attract more people who do remote work as well. So under these new rules, this is amazing. Employers could be penalized for contacting employees after work and will be forced to pay for increased expenses as a result of working from home, like gas and electricity bills. And further, these rules will be implemented to aid employees at home, such as banning employers from monitoring their workers at home and ensuring workers must meet with their boss every two months to stave off isolation. And, you know, like not everything passed. There was a they were trying to get something called
Starting point is 00:47:50 the right to disconnect passed, which would have given workers the ability to switch off work devices. But that, I guess, was that didn't get the votes it needed. But these are very like common sense things like where I think companies now are as a person, you have to create those boundaries or you're like, I don't look at if that email comes in after five, it might as well come in at 9am tomorrow. But it's, it's difficult because especially with Americans have this like fucked up idea of working from home and what it means to what labor or toiling should or shouldn't look like that. It's easy to get like a fucking email at eight and be like, fuck, I work from home. So I better fucking start doing this now when it might not be necessary.
Starting point is 00:48:28 So I don't know, like in a way, I feel like this is something that could happen in the U S because it seems like very common sense, but be also, we live in a country where there's a money group to fucking be against fucking anything. So I can only imagine like the managers united fucking like pack starting like paying
Starting point is 00:48:46 for ads it'd be like are you like workers are fucking around you know what i mean to try and something like this but i don't know refreshing to hear at least it's also just like it's a line in the sand but the reality of shit like this is like these rules will be bent like and you know it's this is more of like a beginning of a negotiating position because what's going to happen is like your boss is like i know technically we're not supposed to do this but could you get these files ready and the thing is it's like most people like at least americans would be like okay fine and and this just hopefully would give sort of recourse to big abuses or at least change the power dynamic and and change the whole culture it seems like like you said a common sense thing but i thought you're about to give this point when
Starting point is 00:49:38 you said when i've hated a job because let me tell you when i've hated a job yeah i these boundaries are so fucking defined i'm like yeah let me tell you why i'm not a job yeah i these boundaries are so fucking defined i'm like yeah let me tell you why i'm not answering this email at 6 30 like yeah i'm like because this is outside of work hours excuse me but i guess it's it is true like that's that is the sort of like thing that like yeah when i when i had a a day job that i hated it was like and i did feel unable to to do shit like this and I absolutely would have just been like, alright, I'll get to it at 9am.
Starting point is 00:50:10 When I clock in, fools. You can see companies being like, actually, our working hours are now 12 noon to 8pm. Sure. I feel like those are the small ways that... But that's at least defined. Then, it's like, then you can...
Starting point is 00:50:25 All right. If we're agreeing to this, then I'll get to your shit at 12. Right. Right. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back
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Starting point is 00:54:23 Listen to the Amber and Lacey, Lacey and Amber show on will ferrell's big money players network on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts And we're back. So Demi Lovato is now a conspiracy influencer, which I a like reactionary way to the right and the conspiracy world but i do feel like more and more that this is just going to be sort of a mainstream thing for celebrities to do i don't know it looks like it's a check right so demi lovato who has 18 or 118 million fucking followers on Instagram, posted to their Instagram, thrilled to be an at we are Gaia ambassador. So this is this platform called Gaia. Quote, understanding the world around us, parenthetical, the known and the unknown is
Starting point is 00:55:39 so exciting to me. And, you know, Demi is promoting promoting a site that is my most people's observations just a hub for conspiracy theory videos like where many are meant to look like these earnest documentaries that are like blowing the lid on shit and you kind of see like the business aspects of this uh this is from a report in the daily beast quote on a lovato themed gaia page for their fans the singer supporters can view a free episode of a gaia show about quote an ancient space program before signing up for an 11.99 monthly gaia membership levato's quote hand-picked favorite shows according to the website include a series
Starting point is 00:56:18 positing that atlantis was real and that humanity is living in the aftermath of a battle between giants and lizard-like reptilians okay um and that's sort of like the aftermath of a battle between giants and lizard-like reptilians. Okay? And that's sort of like where you land if you navigate off of their post. So it's clear that there's a money-making endeavor for sure, but the shit on this platform is not all just like Art Bell, Hardy Har Har, kind of out-there stuff. There's some truly wild shit on there. Like this is again from their assessment on Daily Beast.
Starting point is 00:56:49 Quote, Gaia's videos are slickly produced to look like genuine documentaries with some prominent figures in the anti-vaccine movement. The site also has been called, quote, a hub for QAnon. Gaia's own corporate culture is awash in conspiracy theories. Employees discussed QAnon and InfoWars, according to a report from Business Insider. Confusingly, employees were told that materials promoting a documentary about a benevolent alien species called the, quote, Blue Avians required approval from the Blue Avians as if they were real. Look, Gaia denies that allegation, Miles. That's true.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Just because there's documentation. I don't know. It seems like probably just based on what we've learned about celebrities, there's probably more of them that are susceptible than are currently kind of openly susceptible to this sort of thinking. And the only thing that's sort of preventing it is, I don't know, like advisors or something. And I just feel like more and more as it becomes clear
Starting point is 00:57:55 that there's money to be made here, that this is going to be a thing. Yeah. I mean, it feels like the normal backstop against this kind of shit is that this stuff has no predictive value. Believing in this stuff doesn't further your understanding of the world. It doesn't tell you what's going to happen next in any sort of remote way. And it doesn't work. The same with the anti-vax stuff.
Starting point is 00:58:25 It's right. So you can say ivermectin, whatever, or like your immune system says is good. But the reality is it's like fucking, you know, Republicans are just dying. Right.
Starting point is 00:58:35 And anti-vax people are just dying at higher rates than people are vaccinated. And like, you can't talk your way out of that. So it is, it just feels like normally reality just kicks in eventually, right? Like it's just not helpful. It doesn't give you anything to think the world is flat. You know, you're just going to die in a rocket crash at the extreme or like, you know, it's just, it doesn't work or do anything. So, i don't i it's like usually the hard-nosed republican of it right is like okay okay but you're not a hippie lunatic we have to like
Starting point is 00:59:14 you know these these warplanes still need to fly and the physics of blue avians doesn't get us there i don't know just normally like the money people step in i guess is what i'm saying no it's just that you you don't know enough about blue avian technology obviously but sure yeah but it's like like let's go let's fucking head to head my my like a college science versus blue avian theories let's go i think it like you know when you look at it you the one thing that is the danger to me is that by doing this it it normalizes conspirators conspiratorial content at the very least it's not being like oh shit you're looking at that shit yeah now it's like well demi lovato is like feeling this stuff and i don't know i might
Starting point is 01:00:03 check it out because i fuck with demi but that's where i see you know from there i believe there's definitely going to be a percentage of people who will get fully pulled in now and may begin you know it starts off with yeah some shit about an ancient space program and then turns into full-blown like anti-semitic anti-black whatever fascist nonsense and i think that's where like that's the grim part of this is thinking like oh you can bankroll like you can normalize this sort of you know problematic perception of the world by getting more seemingly just mainstream celebrities cut them a check and then they say yay man i man, I'm fucking with Gaia. Come check it out. There's some really cool stuff in there. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:47 And cut to, you know, who knows what. But I guess what I mean is like, that's always been there? I don't know. I, you know, it's like you've all, there's always been sort of like crystals becomes protocols of the elders of Zion. Like, it's just like, it's just like that pipeline's of the elders of Zion. Like,
Starting point is 01:01:05 it's just like, it's just like that pipeline's always been there. Sure. And I guess the internet amplifies it and quickens it, but I'm like, I don't know. Like, right.
Starting point is 01:01:15 I guess like if it were me, right. And I'm like 19 and fucking, you know, method man is like, yo, check out this nine 11 video. I'm all over that shit. I'm all over that shit. You know, you know, Method Man is like, yo, check out this 9-11 video. I'm all over that shit.
Starting point is 01:01:27 I'm all over that shit. Right. You know, like where I'm like, I don't know, man. I fuck with him heavy. And if he's saying like in his personal life, he thinks this is something industry. I'm going to go. I want to know. I'm thinking it's interesting.
Starting point is 01:01:39 And I think that's where, you know, I think a lot of people are susceptible to that. I mean, there's a lot of shit I thought celebrities were like doing right. Oh, that's pretty cool. Or just like an adult that you like, you know, exactly. And it's like, oh, so I'm just like, yeah, from that hundred to 18 million. What's that sliver of people who you can now convert? I think that's where it gets. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:02 Yeah. that's where it gets yeah yeah yeah and it just feels like there's also a doubling down thing happening now where in the past if method man released that statement people might you know criticize method man and then as a man would come out with a statement because his publicist asked him to and now it feels like i don't know that like the aaron rogers thing the kyrie irving thing like there's just sort of a you know a willingness to just be like no fuck fuck everything and you know the the whole motive for pushing back on this sort of thing in the past had been the profit motive right like that like well you're not going to get any roles anymore or whatever but now right if there's a
Starting point is 01:02:51 conceit like a valid form of getting rich off of this sort of shit like then why you know not i'm not suggesting that kairi irving's agent is telling him to continue to hold out, but Demi Lovato's manager might be looking at this and being like, okay, well, still, there's money. Yeah. I mean, that is actually sort of the upsetting thing. I noticed it when the Atlanta baseball team doubled down on being racist. Yeah. Because previously, it seemed at least clear that corporate America's calculus was that the racist, bigoted, reality-denying portion was not the profitable portion. And now it does seem there's a corporate...
Starting point is 01:03:43 No corporation does shit out of the goodness of their heart. They're just trying to make money. So like, you know, as like disingenuous as like diversity initiatives and things like that are, what they at least are is a canary in the coal mine that like at the back of the like business analysis that is supposedly all these people care about, they know at their heart that like america is moving in one direction or the world is moving in one direction and now now that you're seeing like major billion you know multi-million if not billion dollar organizations toe that line a little bit like again the the mlb and and the atlanta just being like, yeah, come on in, Trump. Let's do the Tomahawk chop and shit like that.
Starting point is 01:04:28 I was like, that's not troubling because of the on-its-face racism. It is troubling that a billionaire decided this is where I'm putting my chips. Right, right. And that seems to be happening. Regardless of personal belief. Yeah, so it's like, ugh.
Starting point is 01:04:43 At every level, right? There's a group of wealthy right like they're the people there's a group of wealthy donors who are funding like the crt you know like outrage shit and yeah there's so many things that are now being bankrolled by just like these wealthy people who are just doing doing it very stealthily yeah and like dragging us closer to this kind of but they would always do it stealthily based on their personal beliefs. But it's the doing it publicly part that I'm like, okay, that's now troubling. Like, that means, like, you got...
Starting point is 01:05:11 I just assume every billionaire has repellent beliefs. But among those repellent beliefs are a knowledge that the rest of the world exists and, like, has their own beliefs. And you have to manipulate them. I don't know. But I feel like the the idea of like woke values had has become like they do the you know pure gesture not like actually anything substantive like thing addressing uh racism or misny, but it's by removing an episode of a show that has like black or something. And then that has become associated with,
Starting point is 01:05:54 well, that's what woke culture is. That's what criticizing, you know, the tomahawk chop as racist is. And I feel like there is a mainstream cultural like backlash now where like woke has become yeah like associated with like oh the stupid thing that what that was a big deal and and now is like people are agreeing was like bad or something yeah woke is worrying about stuff
Starting point is 01:06:22 that's not even like a big deal actually right really and also again it's just a thought killing cliche because now james carville can rather than you know address like the actual failings of the democratic party and yeah you know neoliberal platform like this whole ideology it's just saying it's just the woke stuff killed everything and that word is enough you'll go yeah yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rather than getting your fucking hands dirty and saying, you know, they're working people, poor people who are not getting anything delivered that was promised to them. And why the fuck? Like, yeah, they're supposed to just feel good about that.
Starting point is 01:06:57 No, but it's easier to just say, throw out woke. Have CNN posit that question to other senators and just completely shift the argument to say like oh is being humane like is that woke but rather than you know underlining that it's just easier to just go down this debate yeah but it's like the the embrace of like the pure opposite of that like the actual like let's have trump do the tomahawk chop let's bring him in that's that's the thing that's like even you know like every every you know corporation embraces right-wing values they it's always as far right as they think they can get away with sure and right the fact that what they think they can get away with has visibly shifted i think yes is
Starting point is 01:07:44 you're like, whoa. That means the fundamentals of America are different than I was hoping. Yeah. Yeah, because the most defense the league had was like, well, we didn't invite him. He asked. I know he said we invited him, but he asked to go
Starting point is 01:07:58 and then we gave him tickets. The real thing would have just said, fuck off, dude. It's like, hey, this is just not a good time for the audience. We're trying to cultivate like, you know, Mr. President, blah, blah, blah. Whatever. Or don't put TV cameras on him. Tons of shit they could do.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Right. Because we seem to be like from a cultural perspective, we seem to be just cycling back through the same sort of values and periods and events over and over again i'm starting to wonder if we're like headed for the anti-woke like 80s 1980s again where it's like fucking you know reagan culturally like was the thing and like conservatism was the thing and that was like a reaction to you know economic slowdown and like the 70s and people like i think hopefully culture is at least fractured enough and like people like media is not you know good and bad way not such a stranglehold such that like you know because the reality is like in the 80s though that was the quote-unquote culture
Starting point is 01:09:05 people were speaking up against it sure didn't have twitter right and like you know hopefully that remains the bulwark against that shit i guess maybe not as you see you know as we in other things like the mainstream media still has a like center right to hard right like editorial remit but you know hopefully it's like at least you can say other shit like for now right yeah when there's again when they take all the books out of libraries and leave it with men are from mars women are from venus the bible and a little gear a little far side comics some far side comics, some far side comics. That's the most provocative shit. We'll get that.
Starting point is 01:09:47 That's pretty, that's too subversive, my dude. I know, but far side was good, man. Hopefully that's, they won't know.
Starting point is 01:09:55 Gary Larson is a visionary miles. They won't know. No, I'm just saying in the sense that that's the thing that sneaks in because it's a comic and they completely don't understand the commentary and they're like, yeah, that's fine. When other dudes were rocking Big Johnson, I was rocking Farside t-shirts and that's how I let them know I was sensitive.
Starting point is 01:10:14 Okay. Andrew, such a pleasure having you, man. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Still on at Andrew T. I think, I'm trying to remember, since the last time I was on, maybe or maybe inclusive of the last time I was on, Yosus Racist has gone independent.
Starting point is 01:10:32 So if you feel like subscribing, supporting us, suboptimalpods.com. And we just started selling merch. So I am very excited about the merch. I will just say the shirt, maybe you've seen it on my Instagram, but one of the shirts we're selling is straight up the dumbest thing that has ever happened on our show. And I'm so proud of it.
Starting point is 01:10:52 And I'll just leave it at that. Oh, no. I can't wait to see what it is. I thought you were saying that whole phrase was the t-shirt. Straight up the dumbest thing. I'll just say it's one of like helvetica ampersand shirts but it says duck around and find out duck and around and and and find and and it's the it's the and ampersand for me. That is truly my proudest moment.
Starting point is 01:11:26 Yeah, that is so dumb. Brilliant. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Yes, there are two things. One, we talked about Dune. I was looking for the source for this meme and I couldn't find it, so apologies in advance. But it's a fake subtitle still from Dune
Starting point is 01:11:43 when they're on the little prison planet. And it opens on Sardaukar throat singing. And then the second panel of the meme is it goes back to all the soldiers. And it just says, the shit slaps. Like, having seen that meme before I went into the theater, I laughed out loud. When that scene happened. Like, this is so dumb. And I think that honestly motivated me to see that movie.
Starting point is 01:12:10 I was like, I just want to see the throat singing and see the soldiers grooving out to the throat singing. Miles, where can people find you? What is a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey and also the other pod 420 day fiance with sophia alexandra where you know we're just just talking that shit that 90 day shit some tweets that i like let me get this one in a couple actually uh this is from james austin johnson
Starting point is 01:12:40 at shrimp jaj a quote this is a quote says TV does not get better than this. And then he says eight year old me watching when Ben Stein's money understanding zero percent of what is being said. I was just like, yep, I loved it. I was I think of that. I was punching way above in
Starting point is 01:13:00 that era, too. And this next one is from a past guest. You do it at you do a underscore telling parents of a crying baby in that era too and this next one is from a past guest yadoye at yadoye underscore telling parents of a crying baby handle that or i will and then gently rocking that to sleep that's great let's see maxu maxupio, starting to believe the other sperms were smarter than I and lost on purpose. Andrew Nadeau tweeted, Clark can't go into
Starting point is 01:13:30 the eye doctor. I'm receiving 27 different bills because every time he tried on a new pair, they thought he was someone else. And then Maggie Winters tweeted, where's your precious son now, Beatles? Which I guess really made me happy.
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