The Daily Zeitgeist - Cops Don’t Need RIGHTS, Cycling Saves 4.13.21

Episode Date: April 13, 2021

In episode 856, Jack and Miles are joined by American Hysteria's Chelsey Weber-Smith to discuss the killing of Daunte Wright by Minneapolis police, Maryland's sweeping police reform, the police bill o...f rights, Michigan's covid numbers, France banning short flights, and more!FOOTNOES: Police Chief Claims Cop Who Killed Minnesota Black Man Accidentally Fired Gun Instead of Taser Maryland Passes Sweeping Police Reform Legislation There’s a reason it’s hard to discipline police. It starts with a bill of rights 47 years ago. Covid-19 Live Updates: C.D.C. Director Says Michigan Should Shut Down to Slow Outbreak France moves to ban short-haul domestic flights LISTEN: K, Le Maestro - BMO 2001 (BREAK MISSY OFF) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:16 Anyways, did you know that this is a production of iHeartRadio, Miles, and a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness? You probably knew that, but I'll tell you something you didn't know. It's Tuesday, April 13th, 2021. And did you know my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Baja Blast Mountain Dew. Baja Blast, Baja Mountain Dew. Baja Blast, Baja Mountain Dew. Baja Blast Baja Mountain Dew. Baja Blast Baja Mountain Dew.
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Starting point is 00:03:03 Moderna or Pfizer, maybe even, you know, get that Johnson and Johnson vaccine in your blood flow. Key Largo, Montego, finally we can go. Oh, I'm vaccinated in Kokomo. We're there at last With stimmy checks from Joe That's what We want so bad
Starting point is 00:03:30 Bro Vaccines in Kokomo And you know it could only be Christy Yamaguchi main with that Wonderful Beach Boys inspired vaccine Anthem the Vantham I got my
Starting point is 00:03:44 Appointment and as I was making my appointment for this Thursday, I had visions of John Stamos dancing in my head. John Stamos on the bongos. Yep. What a dreamboat. And that's been actually powering you to be safe this entire lockdown. One day. Because the pandemic is not.
Starting point is 00:04:04 That's the weird thing, because I just got my first shot last week, is I don't... It's surreal to be like, okay, yeah, but it's not over. Yeah. It's like, in a way, like... I'm going.
Starting point is 00:04:17 I'm going to Kokomo, and I'm not packing a mask, bro. Within seconds. Got the shot. I'm on my way. Peace. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
Starting point is 00:04:32 the brilliant, the talented, the hilarious, Chelsea Weber-Smith! Well, thank you. Thank you. You know, I love being here with you guys. Thank you for having me back. Always such a great conversation to be had yeah i agree i love talking to you guys oh it's so good talking to you as we've talked about before
Starting point is 00:04:52 you like your work on you know social moral panics and just your kind of pop cultural history mind for pop culture history is just just inject it right into my fucking veins i love it i will yes what are you trying to get a jumbo a red top are you packing how you back it up you want two you want two or what you want two for five what's the deal is um the other thing i was gonna see what i was thinking of you when Lil Nas X twerked his way to hell. Oh, yeah, I know. That was full blown. It was, you know, I will say it hasn't been great PR for Satanists the last little while here, you know, but I would think I think he has a brilliant PR team, which I'm sure
Starting point is 00:05:40 he's a huge part of because I think they knew what they were doing with that and what was going to happen. And it is, I appreciate a good PR stunt as much as I hate capitalism, I have to say. And that was a beautiful, beautiful rollout from start to finish there. And, you know, it was a satanic panic. But man, things just, the last satanic panic lasted like 15 years. I know. We're turning them over quick these days, aren't we? Oh, yeah years we're turning over quick these days aren't we yeah oh yeah we turn them over fast but yeah yeah thank you for thinking of me i you know when charles manson
Starting point is 00:06:12 died a bunch of people called me i was like are you okay and i was like no i don't like serial killers i just know a lot of how does that feel for you? What? Wait, what did you think I was into Manson for? I was like, oh my God. Because that's the same thing people think of me. Oh, his wisdom was so beyond. Yeah. And his music. Let's not forget.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Pour one out for another musical king. That's pretty ridiculous. Yeah. Did you ever hear those weird tapes? Those Manson family? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Those are... I remember dating somebody who put me on,
Starting point is 00:06:47 not put me on, but played them for me for the first time. And I immediately was like, oh, no. Why do you have all these MP3s? These are not good songs at all. She's like, come on out to this ranch where me and my friends hang out
Starting point is 00:07:04 and we can just you know yeah he's got a song about dumpster diving it's like we love i can't remember it but it's a real happy like let's go dumpster diving you guys and it's so he was heavily influenced by and uh even friends with the beach boys yeah sure was and they both branched off in their opposite directions and took things. I think Kokomo is, is the most authentically and deeply satanic song in American culture, because it's just like at that point where the, the hippies and like the sixties culture has completely sold its soul to
Starting point is 00:07:41 capitalism and just like visions of uh you know steel drums dancing in our head yeah well it's so interesting because charles manson and the manson family were like a huge kickoff for the satanic panic because originally they were like this is a satanic ritual and so it's just like and then it was like rosemary's baby and the exorcist and all of these like satanic movies with all this like happenings around them that were supposed to be like, like a cross was struck by lightning the night of the premiere. And, you know, so it's just like the beginning of this satanic panic that we're still I mean, we've always had a satanic panic. So it just it just gets big sometimes and puffs up.
Starting point is 00:08:23 And I should say satanic in the more evil than anything. Yeah. Yeah. Not nice Satanists who are just like challenging Christianity. Yeah. Shall be the whole of the law. Yeah. Is is Satanism.
Starting point is 00:08:39 I mean, I feel like Lil Nas X is making Satan cool again. Like, yeah. Yeah. I guess the real if since the satanic panic only lasted all but 15 seconds has satan lost its appeal in terms of being a lightning rod for outrage for conservative people like are we in a post-satan world now like satan is no longer the worst thing well i, I mean, I guess it depends on which Christians we're talking about. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Because there's been such an evangelical resurgence, right? So it's like those folks are definitely on board with like satanic forces, you know, controlling liberalism. Like all that stuff is still around. But I think it's I mean, it's lost its power probably a little bit you know but it's just like the metal heads right it's like the metal heads of the 80s it's in the backwards records it's all the same shit right it's just a little bit more surface level now and it's sexier now yeah you didn't have to play that video backwards to uh get no what it was trying to do. But he did kill Satan.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Yeah. I know. What's their problem? Did you ever witness a wave of sketch comedy around Manson and the Beach Boys working together? I can think of like three things, like sketch comedy pieces that were about Manson and the Beach Boys
Starting point is 00:10:02 collaborating and they were like they were just so stupid, but laughing. So it was like the old, I think you should leave now bit where he's like trying to contribute lyrics about like the spooky day. And the guys are trying to record a legit song where it's like the Beach Boys working on some harmonies.
Starting point is 00:10:18 And then like sort of the, the game of the sketch was like Manson breaking. He's like, yeah. And then Satan would come in and drip blood down on the thing. And they're like, we're talking about a young woman's new car that she's driving to the beach like all right all right yeah yeah go on i'll work on some stuff and kept coming back
Starting point is 00:10:32 with like all kinds of weird shit oh man when you look at sketch is also so good that you referenced from i think you should leave yeah we look at the like battle battle within the Beach Boys, even accepting Charles Manson. Over the lyrics, it's such a bummer because as Brian Wilson was trying to make pet sounds and smile, you had Mike Love, who was just a branding dude, a marketer from the start who was like nah man it's all about the chicks and the cars and surfboards yeah and then like when pet sounds didn't like sell a bunch of albums out of the gate he like used that to just be like see what did i tell you man you don't you don't know shit leave it to me mike love and that that started the whole yeah it's, it's a bummer. It's a saga. It is a saga.
Starting point is 00:11:31 All right, Chelsea, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We're going to talk about the killing of Daunte Wright by the police in Minnesota. We're going to talk about police rights in Maryland, the police bill of rights. We're going to talk about White Lives Matter rallies that happened over the weekend. Michigan is peaking and not in the way you want to be peaking right now. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about infrastructure, Stallone. We might even get into all the junk food promotions happening around the world uh to
Starting point is 00:12:06 try and get people to get vaccinated all that plenty more but first chelsea we like to ask our guest what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are or what you're up to well um for american hysteria which is the podcast that I host, we're doing kind of like a big Urban Legends extravaganza episode. So I've been searching for like the equivalent of Urban Legends from the past because we usually like to go through history with these topics. And so my search history is Urban Legends Civil War. And there's a really good one. I want to tell you guys. And it is that during a civil war battle, a stray bullet. And I believe that it was the testicle one.
Starting point is 00:12:53 Yes. Do you know this? Yes. Yes. Go on. I was like, wait, I had the testicle one.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Yes. Yes. Yes. So as you know, it goes that, and i believe that i couldn't find i could only find this in one place but it was a it was a union bullet that oh no a confederate bull i don't know whoever's bullet it was doesn't matter but it's got to be your scrotum of i believe a union soldier and then struck you know struck the plantation owner's daughter sitting out on her antebellum porch,
Starting point is 00:13:28 and it struck into her uterus. She got pregnant, potentially with a Union baby, and, you know, beautiful stuff, right? It's just like, so that's my search history right now and kind of where my fucking mind is. I don't know why. I feel like that was one of the first civil war facts i ever learned man it makes it more interesting it was because i remember going it was all through my friend okay so my friend ty who he was like he's like two years older than me
Starting point is 00:14:01 so he was like the kid who was like two years in school. So he'd be like, yo, we're talking about the Civil War. I'm like, the what? He's like, the Civil War. And so he had all these books and shit. And so I was getting at 10 years old a 12-year-old's version of the American Civil War based on one Ken Burns tape and a couple loose books that he got from the library. So everything was like oh that's cool i don't know what any of this means but the only thing that stuck was the testicle thing and i was like no that's so fucked up and i remember saying that in class and like
Starting point is 00:14:34 my teacher was like where did you what wait did you think it was true or was it just show i was 10 years old legend i i got this second hand yes from a 12 year old talking to me at 10 years old. I got this secondhand. Yes. From a 12 year old talking to me at 10 years old. And I was like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But that's facts.
Starting point is 00:14:53 I, yeah, it's interesting because it seems like there's a pretty transparent, like way that that lie comes about that you would be able to be like, oh, well, yeah, of course there was probably a child
Starting point is 00:15:07 conceived the old-fashioned way uh and the daughter was like but that's impossible because i've never uh been with a man and then you know yeah right like right exactly but they i i think there's a this sort of urban legend like i remember when I was in high school and like on the on the verge of having to deal with these sorts of things, not there by any means yet. But that like there were a lot of stories that dudes would be like, yo, I heard this girl got pregnant from just being in like a hot tub with somebody and all right so it's just like fear of and like you know that uh of of how like the conceiving a child actually happens and how like easy it is and like all the you know that's a thing that is like looming over everyone's head so yep yeah they're very worried about that so i feel like that that makes sense to me that it would have lived on in the in the minds of like 12 year old boys yeah just like yo dude did you know you could just like be within a square mile and yeah exactly um that's wild
Starting point is 00:16:20 so chelsea when you're like finding out about out about it now, is it mostly passed on as an urban legend or is it passed on among people believing it? Well, I mean, are you talking about specifically the Civil War thing? The Civil War thing. Yeah. I just found it on some weird website, and I had never heard it before. So it's fun that miles you knew
Starting point is 00:16:45 it because i was like oh shit this is so good um but you know it's it's like it's hard to find them um the urban legends from like the past but you can go back and like urban legends are just like cautionary tales right and then like tell the story of kind of like the dominant culture right and like i've been thinking about and this is also my underrated thing because I just want to talk about it more, but urban legends, because like go back to like the chain letters of the nineties,
Starting point is 00:17:12 which we all remember, right? And the urban legends and like the gang initiation one was like probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest with the, if you're driving and someone has their headlights off, you flash your headlights
Starting point is 00:17:25 and the gang initiation is like then they kill you right so that's like do you guys remember this oh yeah yeah yeah of course yeah and that was like it would like get printed out at like schools and the cops you know so it was just this like chain letter that traveled you know eventually through email but really it was just and you know of, that's like the 90s is like the super predator years. Right. And these huge fears of gangs and the moral panic around all of that kind of, you know, post 80s, like trickle up effect of of all that racism from Reagan years and then the Clinton years. And so it's like I just think urban legends are really interesting because, you know, a lot of times they're for teenagers, but a lot of times, you know, we're seeing in them again with like, you know, white women talking about how someone was following them
Starting point is 00:18:12 in the grocery store and trying to sex traffic them. You know, it's like, I don't know. I remember the ones of like, you know, it was, it's always like women who are, uh, who should be afraid, right. And who shouldn't be out in the world as much because of all the dangers you know there's like the cautionary tale about the hook which everybody knows where you know the girl and the guy are parking and that's when you know and then there's all the like the hook is the phallic symbol and you know there's all the like psychotherapy babble stuff about it so i just think it's like i don't know it can tell you a lot about um like what we fear at the time and and the stories that we're telling about our fears and
Starting point is 00:18:51 you know you can go back to stranger danger time like poison halloween candy and like the stranger that's out to just murder children for no good reason you know that's like a big you know like like as if people are just like handing out razor blades and apples to children willy nilly, which is, of course, an urban legend. Yeah, it's it's interesting what what gets targeted like the urban legends trained me very well to always check the backseat of my car. Oh, yeah. At night during the day. I don't give a shit. But or like wipe the mouth of an aluminum can because the person who accidentally ate rat shit and died because the sodas were stored in a warehouse near rat poo. Well, that's a true story. That's a true story. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Well, either way, that had me wiping the shit out of every can, like from 12, age 12 to 17. You're like, man, there was a big panic around Pepsi's containing syringes. Yeah, right. Remember that? It was just like, and then just a bunch of people were just fucking putting syringes in their soda so they could be on the news. What are they, cops? I don't know. I swear to God, you go, you say you're a cop and they put a tampon in your
Starting point is 00:20:06 coffee oh I know I know Miles it sounds like yours were actually like useful uh urban legends well it's different right because a lot of a lot of these chain letters and urban legends were just like like racist conspiracy theories going from
Starting point is 00:20:22 analog to digital right yo you heard your aunt heard what her other fucked up aunt friends that are now telling your mom about some shit yeah and then now became the chain letter that was the digital version that was like if you don't do this because this is how this group you don't know is living or whatever yeah i think the ones that stuck with me were the ones purely that felt like the because the headlight thing i remember i think saying to my dad and he was like what the fuck are you talking about he's like we drive through where these gangs are and
Starting point is 00:20:55 that's not what that's not how these games work and i'm like you guys remember the knockout game too that was a big like oh yeah more modern version yeah yeah the i feel like the uh the lights the headlights one is probably has like some bodies to its name because of the fact that people are were probably less likely to like blink their lights to be like hey your lights are off you're driving around like that's such a like counterproductive unhealthy one to just be like don't don't do that because they might murder you for telling them that they're driving around with their lights off uh-huh i've never even thought about that like it would actually created it must have you're totally right yeah and also just the logic of
Starting point is 00:21:41 probably driving around with the with the people in the back with people thinking people are in the backseat of your car might have distracted a few drivers what were you saying miles what's the logic what's the logic of the gang though you're like okay you want to be oh you want to be down oh we got a hero here huh okay okay so you want to explode a face is that what you're trying to do young man you're trying to do, young man? You're trying to get down? Okay, so when you're driving, somebody flashes their lights at you because you forgot to turn yours on. You killed him because we hate helpful people in this game. Yes, yes, yes. No, like, wow.
Starting point is 00:22:15 I don't know. Usually, like, if you're in a gang, you're not going to commit violence and risk going to jail unless it's to attack a rival gang like yeah to some end right right like you know it's like same like when you watch mobster documentaries they're always like you're not gonna risk going to jail over civilians right that's like if you're really like there's a whole other world to that where it's like no no enemy combatants are the people that are perceived enemy combatants however that gets all fucked up but yeah anyway but shout out to the anti-headlight gang what is something you think is overrated chelsea you know i think like this is like going in a totally different direction but we just
Starting point is 00:23:00 re-released an episode that we did called monsters and it's all about sort of like the language of the monstrous. Right. Which does go back to urban legends, too. But I think like the uncomplicated heroism of science is what I'm saying, because, you know, there's like so much to like the theory of evolution and Charles Darwin's theory being, you know, applied to schools. Right. Which we were always like evolution. Yes, like we have to teach that in school. But originally, you know, it was a justification for eugenics. Eugenics, yeah. So, right? This war, but the Scopes trial, which is just the most bonkers thing to read about.
Starting point is 00:23:39 We cover it in our episode called Children's Programming. But it's like, it's just such a like all out bonanza because it was basically like some dude wanting coverage of his town so that the town would become more successful and popular. And so he like whipped up this plan to have this trial about this controversial thing happen. And they like got a guy to to you know break the law of teaching evolution and it was just like a total pr stunt for this town and you know we just look back at these things like they're so uncomplicated and um like we're all we're all taught that all the time but i think like talking about how complicated science has been uh in terms of eugenics and these different
Starting point is 00:24:23 things because it's so easy to talk about like the conservative errors. God, I'm so sorry I said errors. The conservative like, please, God, the conservative, you know, horrors are also matched by sort of a similar progressive white supremacy that's just kind of manifesting in a really different way, but it's still the same thing. And I don't know. I just really, really think that. Uncomplicated, I mean, this is like not an unpopular opinion, but just really getting into the complications of our history and not seeing our side as heroic is just something I've been thinking about all the time, especially now when we have like a culture war, like we always, always have this culture war and it's always like really, really complicated. And so I don't know. I think that's what I've been thinking about a lot lately. Yeah. I think in America's memory, you know, the World War II is important for a lot of reasons but it allows americans to forget that
Starting point is 00:25:28 throughout like the first three decades of the 20th century eugenics was the popular thing with progressives like that was like the cool the cool thing that people coming out of like ivy league schools believed and like thought was like a a good idea or like progressive to help like black people through what you've learned about eugenics like the benign version like in this way we can help the negro reach their potential it's like a really big white saviorism moment moment. I think it starts to really like go from there. Yeah. Cause you've turned your racism into saviorism and now it's like, no, this feels way better than we're like angry.
Starting point is 00:26:11 We're like, we're just saying, oh, we're just, we're just doing science, you know, we're just like measuring their brain. Yeah. We're just like looking at a skull shape and determining someone's human worth. You know, the reason you're stealing is because of the distance between the tip of your nose and the the peak of your brow ridge it's actually not because of an utter lack of uh options available to you where you live yeah it's just it's it's that damn measurement we can't do anything about it it's just the way it is you know and it's yeah but if we identify these people then we can start corralling them together and then weeding that
Starting point is 00:26:44 out wow does that sound yeah and then and then we can start corralling them together and then weeding that out. Wow. Does that sound? Yeah. And then and then we act like we were just complete and utter heroes of World War Two. And we didn't inspire like a great deal of that thinking. And both sides, you know, it's just there's no innocent party in the past. And it's because it's like the latest controversy, global controversy allows every nation to forget what happened right before that. So it's like, yeah, World War II, forget about whatever happened. Don't forget.
Starting point is 00:27:10 Forget all that. We beat the Nazis. That was great. And then you're coasting off of that till the next thing. And then other countries can now be like, oh, yeah, well, we did that. So now we can kind of forget about everything because of that weird goalpost we have in our history. So now we can kind of forget about everything because knowledge that it's wrong and like that powers a lot of it like sort of that cognitive dissonance and like them knowing that they're lying and knowing that their beliefs are completely full of shit like powers a
Starting point is 00:27:58 lot of the hatred and like anger and just the energy and like with world war ii you have like heading into it the fact that america and like america's business leaders were really into eugenics and then coming out of it like we had the cold war and that was somewhat convenient because it was allowed us to completely paper over the fact that like russia essentially won world war ii for the the allies like they were the i don't know man you see how poor they look it's like what no did do you know what happened do you know what happened when the germans went okay whatever forget it yeah when you just look at the numbers of like people uh nazis killed and the number of lives lost on on russia versus the united states it's like not
Starting point is 00:28:46 not even comparable and i do feel like maybe that's where like some of the cold war energy comes from is knowing that there's that lie there and like wanting to be able to perpetuate it right stalin always like smirking at the president's like all right all right bitch all right let me tell you something that's not true, man. Like, fuck, I hate this guy. If I got to see him again and he starts ribbing me about World War II, we're going to have to bomb them. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
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Starting point is 00:32:09 is that a lot of us are actually looking for a way to disagree and still be in a relationship with each other. All that on the Happiness Lab. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts, separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks.
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Starting point is 00:33:15 The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current. Available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. A reportedly unarmed 20-year-old man named Dante Wright was stopped by police for what he believed at the time. And we don't know specifics, but he called his mom right away and said that he was being stopped because he has an air freshener on his rearview mirror, which apparently is a law in Minnesota that is constantly used to just allow the police to stop whoever the fuck they want because you know it's just shitty pretext for detaining somebody huh so you know first of all it just speaks volumes that he felt the need to call his mom well while he was being pulled over and now we have video of what happened during the stop
Starting point is 00:34:28 uh they were trying to arrest him he got back in his car and so the officer and a second officer like ran up and she grabbed a gun from the first officer's waist yelled taser taser and then waist yelled taser taser and then fatally shot him and he speeds off and like you literally hear say i shot him shit and the other cops like have this like response like ah ah damn and then after the fact his mom was at the scene of you know where he where his dead body was all day while the police just left him there on the pavement she just kept asking them to pick his body up off the ground they wouldn't do it they knew what happened they knew who was to blame and like i can't conceive of first of all what his mom was going through but second of all like what was going through their head when they're you know somebody that they've unlawfully killed is lying there and they're just leaving him there you know because they gotta fucking make up a story right right this i mean
Starting point is 00:35:37 i don't know i mean the reading that he called his mother seems very normal. I think a lot of black people now, you have macros for your phone to do a couple things on your phone and immediately go live with whatever's happening to you to try and create some kind of living document recording accountability record for you in the unfortunately possible scenario in which a police officer is going to become violent and possibly end your life right and yeah you you look at this he has a little baby child dante jr and i don't know it it makes it this is this is just never gonna end you know what i mean it's just never gonna It doesn't matter how many fucking black tiles people post on Instagram and how many companies are like, we're listening, man, that doesn't fucking matter. Like,
Starting point is 00:36:34 unless legislators are listening, uh, it doesn't matter. That doesn't even matter. Like, unfortunately, like we're going to have to be the people that are going to have to guarantee these outcomes for each other through actual pressure campaigns to actually trying to find other ways to keep our community safe because this pack of fucking wild assholes with guns has proven time and again that they can't even they
Starting point is 00:36:56 don't even know the difference between a gun and a taser now because they're whatever their racist fight or flight response goes off by being in the presence of a black body or a person of color or someone who needs support, whether that's for their mental health or whatever, this shit just isn't it. And it's just going to be the same outcomes over and over and over again. And your heart breaks for a mother who has to beg for the dignity of the corpse of her child to be removed or at least covered. It's just all fuck fuck I don't know it's just uh yeah it's constant it's constant and so you know it's like all
Starting point is 00:37:33 for all the shit that will come out of this unfortunately and then that inspires more people to have to take to the streets to voice their absolute disapproval and heartbreak over this happening and then cue the fucking goon squads who are, you know, and like coming in with cries.
Starting point is 00:37:49 Please, please remain peaceful. Yeah. What the fuck? And then shooting, you know, rubber bullets and flashbangs. And the response is just completely different than the response at the capitol i mean i know
Starting point is 00:38:06 that's cliche to say but it's just like they just always you know i've been to enough protests that feeling when they all roll out of their fucking vans look you know and their stormtrooper shit is like i don't know and you know the the gathering is so small you know and compared to the response and it's just it's always the same like you said and that part of it's always the same too right and i just hope at some point like people if you're just seeing this pattern over and over like you know most allies and people of color knew what time it was from the beginning yeah some more people are starting to understand like oh right there is a lot of racial inequality and
Starting point is 00:38:45 like whatever if it took you this long fine at least you figured it out but please keep figuring it out because it can't just be like oh that sucks because we're gonna keep seeing this and maybe the pattern will set in for a group of people who are not as moved by this kind of shit to see oh every time they don't give a fuck about what happens they they will kill somebody and then they're gonna knuckle up and say what the fuck are you gonna do about you can do shit and sit the fuck back down and let us kill people undisturbed and carry on with what we do as police that's the that's the cycle every fucking time and so i think for some people it's starting to get old but i think but it hasn't again like so many things in this country we're so fucking like we still haven't reached these tipping points where enough you were like
Starting point is 00:39:29 oh my this is it's the same shit every time it's the same shit every time and we're not doing anything about it and also demanding the that the fucking people that represent us in government also are on the same page rather than like oh my i hear you so bad it's so bad i actually just watched watchmen this weekend to try and get a little more understanding and i see that we shouldn't mess with drugs that alter our sense of memory that was the biggest thing i got from that film or that series but yeah like it's just the human mind is a drug that alters the sense of memory we yeah love doing and i think it's important too that we like we don't get to the point where we're like awoken or whatever and then suddenly we're just the good guys speaking of white people i mean you
Starting point is 00:40:16 know and like it's the same thing like you become progressive and you just got to keep, you know, keep going with the ways that you're contributing to this situation, too. And I think it's easy to just and I think it's important to to to be really engaged in the particular fight you have accountability in America as well, no matter how liberal or how leftist you are as a white person. And I think that that's like something that we can easily forget and is just as important for like an actual move forward. Right. Rather than some, another way for like a corporation or a person to put up a black square and be done with it,
Starting point is 00:41:03 you know? And I think, you know, white people, you white people, you got to be passive for a really long time in this country and still experience progress on some level. You can no longer be passive. I'm sorry. That's just how it is. People of color and other oppressed people don't have the privilege to be passive. Like, we have to be on all the time.
Starting point is 00:41:27 We're in survival mode to some degree, whether we like it or not, to the point that a lot of people of color have a lot of survivor's guilt when they get to places where they can relax because they only know one mode, which is just to have your head on a swivel. This country is not for me. It's telling me this actively, so I have to have your head on a swivel. This country is not for me. It's telling me this actively. So I have to operate within that. You can't be passive in a mindset like that. And in fact, in the people who are looking to create progress have to be passive as well, because
Starting point is 00:41:55 progress itself is not a passive act. It's about being active, proactive. That's the only way you can bring about progress. If you are passive and you're just saying i i well look i get that the cops are yeah a cab you know the cops fucking suck and like it's so unfair what happens to people in this country that's passive that you just merely acknowledging it is too passive an act and it's not going to bring the progress around that's where you can now weaponize your whiteness for good yeah and really start thinking of how you can use your influence with and i'm i'm gonna fuck it i'll keep saying this shit every eight six eight months if i have to figure out how the fuck you can improve shit from wherever you're at it doesn't no one's asking anybody to change the world out the gate but certainly don't sit back and if somebody if you have you know family
Starting point is 00:42:44 later on in life say what did you during this time don't say back and if somebody if you have you know family later on in life say what did you during this time don't say well i knew it was bad right be able to point to some shit even if it was like oh i i checked in on these families i gave to these groups i volunteered my time i really tried to actually decolonize my own mind of all the propaganda and shit i've been fed through the media to try and arrive at a new sense of awareness that I can find a way to be productive and actually contribute to this thing that I'm saying I want, which is progress. Because if you're passive right now and you're just retweeting shit, that ain't enough. Like think about the energy you can actually put into it.
Starting point is 00:43:23 Think of the energy you can, you into it think of the energy you can you can dedicate to this on some level if it's daunting you know like that's what you said is like nobody's expecting you to change the world right out the gate and i think so many like so many of us are raised to think like i need to make this like massive impact or i'm not going to do anything almost like an ego trip kind of thing you know instead of just being like like i like to think of it in a nice way where like you know there's like a some sort of a meter in in life and you can just tip it just like the tiniest bit in the direction you want right and that's great you know and i think just don't get paralyzed by this daunting thing and just like go help somebody on your block or just do anything
Starting point is 00:44:00 you know exactly and i think the idea that one person or a finite number of people are going to solve it is the trick of white supremacy to be like well fuck i mean i can't i just can't do and get my neighbors that's not gonna work like that no of course not but that's to your point if every if a ton of people start making a lot of little changes shit will begin differently even if that's like checking people in your friend group family to be like don't fucking first of all the shit that you're saying is racist it's destructive and you actually need to think about how you can remedy that or whatever or how you can bring up people in your workplace or community and things like that but if everyone just little subtle shit or fucking not being a bystander in a hate crime or even recording police that you think
Starting point is 00:44:51 are using excessive force on somebody to record it to say i will hey i saw that shit i will i will testify in a court to say i saw what the fuck they did to you that's fucked up i'll do whatever i don't give a fuck because that's wrong. We just need to adopt that mindset more. But unfortunately, it's just too comfortable to be passive and too many people, their lives can remain similar by being passive. So there's not a lot of incentive for people to get active. But that's the thing you hope to connect with. If you see stories like this and they break your heart, then put some energy into it. Put some energy into it because that will you you actually will be able to contribute to something larger. And again, no one's asking whoever is listening now to solve it.
Starting point is 00:45:34 But shit, put some energy into it. Just some. Yeah. We're almost asking you not to solve it. Right. Like just so that you can just be there and change your mindset. And everybody has a skill set that they can work with. know like we kind of act there's not one way to do something there's not one way to you know affect change and and i just i do i think i i just wish
Starting point is 00:45:57 we could all just do a small thing and be humble and yeah you know yeah and i think don't again don't let racism systemic oppression like this fool you into thinking nothing can be done about it because that's how it fucking carries on that's how this fucking whole system carries on is this it it breaks you down to the point like we're seeing what the fuck am i gonna do even me what am i gonna what am i gonna do as a black and asian man gonna do non-stop anti-asian violence non-stop black people being killed what the fuck can i do but i don't have that mindset my mindset is to get on this mic and if i can say some shit to make people think a certain way then fuck it i'll do
Starting point is 00:46:35 that if i can check other people in my life and say yo i gotta tell you something you should actually this the way you speak is not good you need need to actually think about, then I'll do that. If I have to donate money, I'll do that. If I want to vaunt, but just it's no one's look, not everyone has the same resources and access to things, but we all have access to our empathy and access to just this, the human decency that we can extend to other people in whatever way that is. And I think that just needs to be more normal and encouraged. Absolutely. Without it being tied to like, I'm doing this to solve systemic white supremacy.
Starting point is 00:47:12 No, I'm doing this to see somebody and say, I'm going to help. I'm going to help. I'm going to help. I'm going to help. If someone needs help, I can help. It doesn't have to always be in the binary of black or white either because that's another pitfall this country falls into
Starting point is 00:47:24 of just thinking that the only things that are going on are between black and white people. because that's another pitfall this country falls into of just thinking that the only things that are going on are between black and white people and that's just absurd and that it's not a class issue since the beginning too and just it sucks yeah actually showing like that they're one of the details as i was following the story this morning uh like they had actual activists there at the press conference uh asking questions of the police chief um and the police chief you know some of the things they did when people protested outside of the uh precinct last night they turned the lights off everywhere so they could just start you know presumably start like wailing on people and person was able to be like i've been at all all the
Starting point is 00:48:07 protests and i've never seen anything like that and and the chief was didn't have he was like they were throwing they were throwing pop cans they were throwing he kept like stumbling over bricks so it seemed like he wanted to say bricks, but like, couldn't actually like back it up. Right. But it was actually Bratz dolls. But that's something that I'm definitely just personally,
Starting point is 00:48:36 I feel like getting physically on the ground is something that I haven't been doing to this point that I want to start doing because I think just in general, the police response to any question of their authority, the way they respond to that just makes it so clear. And I think the more people that we can get peacefully protesting the the more it's going to be stark and and clear to people that like when they're facing violent police officers who are you know shooting at them and uh tear gassing them for just you know exercising their right like i yeah it's a powerful experience when you're you go somewhere to you know for for the defense of people yeah and then you're met with just absurd violence yeah it very quickly
Starting point is 00:49:34 you will begin to see how where the power lies and like what the end goals are for people because it's like oh you're here to advocate for the week oh well we're here to push the week around yeah huh shows you something and i think if the more people can begin distilling those lessons into seeing like what all of this means in like the larger scale you know will hopefully help us move towards like collectively fixing our fucking future yeah because this was in minnesota uh chovin's uh defense attorneyauvin, whatever the fuck his name is. Derek Chauvin. His defense attorney already trying to use this as a pretext to have the jury sequestered and presumably delay the trial. But unfortunately, because of people like his client, you would just never have a trial if you had to wait every time a police officer murdered someone unjustly.
Starting point is 00:50:27 So, yeah, hopefully it seems like the judge saw through that and hopefully continues to. Yeah, I was like, no, I think it's that's that there's no that that didn't create any tampering of the jury. I think he just said, like, the news goes on. You know, you can't sequester people from reality. It's right. And unfortunately, that is the news going on. A you can't sequester people from reality it's right and unfortunately that is the news going on a big goal yeah yeah all right let's talk briefly uh related subject to what's happening in maryland yeah yeah because the cops out here saying hey don't i got rights the police bill of rights i thought we had that fucking 40 was a 73 1973 so maryland
Starting point is 00:51:07 basically they've just began the official skull fucking and canceling of the police bill of rights which dates back to 1973 when a group of cops basically began crying to politicians over how they were being poorly treated by like police commanders that were doing things like discipline them for fucking up and i think this must have been an era when there was like i guess like the three cops that still were like trying to be like hey hey we don't do that we're like kind of what the media is trying to show us to be of cops uh and then this new batch is like nah we don't fuck with. So this law enforcement officer's bill of rights was a first in the nation law that basically created these workplace protections for cops that were like that ushered in this era of absolute fuckery. We're seeing like including giving officers a formal waiting period before they had to cooperate with an internal investigation, scrubbing records of complaints brought against officers after a certain period. If you if you're a good boy, then, you know, it's by and ensuring that only police officers, not civilians, could investigate them.
Starting point is 00:52:16 So this is essentially the this is when they put their protective blankie over them. Nixon is president at this time and screaming about law and order and i think the idea or the feeling in the country was that like crime was going up because people weren't regularly getting the shit kicked out of them by police not because of again lack of opportunity or resources in your that's it's it's the lack of beatings and bludgeonings and shootings of innocent people that is creating the crime so this basically went ushered in this new era and yes the fact that maryland is now getting around to repealing this you know larry hogan who's the the governor tried to repeal he tried to veto it but oh they had a
Starting point is 00:52:59 they were able to override the governor's veto to get this shit going and governor hogan had to say quote the original intent had been overtaken by political agendas that do not serve the public override the governor's veto to get this shit going. And Governor Hogan had to say, quote, the original intent had been overtaken by political agendas that do not serve the public safety needs of the citizens of Maryland. He said the changes would, quote, further erode police morale, community relationships, and public confidence. Oh, the fucking same state that where Freddiereddie gray's spine was severed mysteriously
Starting point is 00:53:28 and we still have no accountability for his death that it wasn't that that's gonna you know fuck up their community relationships or public confidence the fuck are you what and what the fuck is police morale right how quickly they can get an erection at the thought of murdering a black person like what the fuck is that i don't this shit is like so the dog whistles are so bad now like it can only mean one thing this guy from the fucking popo frat angelo consoli he says the reality is they have reinvented policing in the state of maryland they're going to make it tougher for the police to police there's reform and this went beyond reform what does that mean for the police to police right it means to just rough people up with impunity and kill people right
Starting point is 00:54:17 so if the things you're taking away are you know this ability because i'm sorry they could they i think at its longest point it you could have a five-day period where you didn't have to talk to investigators if some shit went down that's a lot of time to figure out what your improv group is going to do on stage right you know when you have to lie about what the fuck happened that's what shit like that does and even when freddie gray died the mayor was like it's this police bill of rights unfortunately that makes this impossible to really get any kind of accountability here so i guess when you have things like mandating body cameras allowing for citizen oversight and ending no knock warrants those are the things that make policing hard to do accountability right accountability so what is
Starting point is 00:55:02 policing exactly based on like let's follow this what does that mean that because again all you're saying is hey y'all you know we gotta fuck we gotta fuck these people up that's how that's what the cops are and if we can't fuck them up then what the fuck are we doing here i don't know maybe you should go maybe this isn't this isn't for you right for all the people any police officer whose morale this like dampens, maybe they should not be. Maybe that that should maybe they should be so down in the dumps that they find a new line of work that doesn't allow them to, you know, kill people with impunity. about 1973 you know like you gave context but that's like right after the black panthers right and that's like right after fred hampton was killed by like a clearly deeply deeply illegal but completely protected murder like next level murder right like unreal type of murder not any murder you know you know what i mean though like the excessive force that is it was just a hit it was
Starting point is 00:56:05 a it was an assassin like not even an assassination that's like too it was like a hit like anybody who hasn't seen judas on the black messiah or doesn't know the story like he's drugged in his bed and they walk in and assassinate him like just point like us just spray of so many. Right. Like so many bullets. Like to the point it wasn't it wasn't an assassination would maybe be like how Putin does it. Right. Show up strangled or you fell out of a building or yeah one shot to the head or something like that. Not riddled with bullets. No. But they.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Yeah. That's like the catharsis of white supremacy. He was drugged the night before by an fbi informant that's why he was drugged in his bed and was still asleep after like being shot a number of times and after there were hundreds of bullets fired into his apartment and then the police walked in and shot him in the head point blank after after all the shooting was done just and it was defensive right in the end because some one of the black panthers like the security guy his weapon fired a discharge and you know there's a lot of argument
Starting point is 00:57:11 that that was not even that that was a non-intentional right shot right and so and then it's also the weather underground time too right which is a complicated topic but there's just the early 70s are so much kind of like right now and so i don't think i think it's really interesting that that bill is coming up at this moment at like kind of a similar culture war right right but i think now the opinion is less on the side of like oh no what have what are we gonna do and now everybody's like the white people are joining the black panthers and shit so i don't see what their underground was i guess right like that's what we'll see what you know how how much of a difference that makes because yeah what is this 47 years 48 years yeah you know for that's
Starting point is 00:57:57 generations of people being tormented with these laws and we'll see if this this momentum can continue but yeah we still do have uh unfortunately this huge resistance to like this idea of like reimagining what policing is, because even without imagining, we're observing what it is and it's completely fucked up and nonsensical. to say like this is dangerous it's like no that's because you know what that's because you're not experiencing the police like other people are so and for you the police means a completely different thing yeah you're not being stopped for having a something hang from your dashboard and which isn't even because they're interested in that they just go huh there's a high chance that this might end with something maybe i can arrest this person maybe i can fuck their day up and shit if if i'm lucky enough i can get violent yeah all right let's take another quick break and we'll be right back it was december 2019 when the story blew up in green bay wisconsin former packer star kabir baja biamila caught up in a bizarre situation.
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Starting point is 01:02:10 These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago, when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today. And these are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer.
Starting point is 01:02:49 This is Rip Current. Available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back and you know just in kind of staying up to date on where we're at with COVID-19 in the United States it feels like nationally there's like this vaccine optimism waxing people are starting to feel a new set of circumstances coming. But then there are states that are seeing their numbers hit new highs, like Michigan is closing on a new high for new cases, which has led the CDC to suggest that they close back down to levels that they were at last spring and and over the summer when you know everybody was in full lockdown so it'll just be interesting to see like how how much harder it is to like pull off a a shutdown locally when like the rest of the country is you know when you don't have i
Starting point is 01:04:02 think the most important thing we found from from the pandemic is those tv ads letting us know that we're not alone and now more than ever uh they understand yeah more than ever eat shit right but yeah it'll be you know they're they're going to have to be like localized responses that aren't necessarily matched by the rest of the country and uh we'll we'll see how how that goes but yeah i think maybe we're moving into the little fires everywhere yeah which is kind of what i think these other waves are going to kind of look like depending on you know good book vaccinations yeah i don man. It's like, it's wild to see that graph. And I'm like, oh, well, that other.
Starting point is 01:04:47 Oh, it is the worst time ever is when the last peak was. And it's mirroring that, which is super frightening. Yeah. Fortunately, the deaths are not peaking anymore because the doctors are getting better and better at treating people who come in with COVID. But still, it's killing people like people are dying so it's right it is a problem and i mean god i'm curious i hope this doesn't impact people's uh enthusiasm to enter health care or medicine because you talk about you want to talk about morale being fucking low well fuck the police. Working in medicine right now couldn't be more of a grim proposition for someone. Yeah, I've heard of physicians taking their own life pretty recently.
Starting point is 01:05:34 And that seems like it's kind of endemic right now. I mean, yeah, to think like when you get into something to help people and then your hands are tied by the speed of medicine how a government is trying to protect people or not protect actually encourage people to end up we're at your place of work being confused and sick and not having the wherewithal to be able to help them like yeah that's like it's just it's yeah i i'm hoping we're able to really shout out all the essential workers after this. Like, truly, truly. But it feels like we're so quick to move on. Like, the amount of shit I see on the Apple News app, the things that it'll put at the top, it's like signs that things are getting back to normal.
Starting point is 01:06:20 But it's always the Wall Street Journal that is doing that shit. I'm like, no one fucking asked you corpo comrade oh my god just shut up and make with your fucking wall street tips yeah rather than all this stuff it's like everything's gonna be okay here's some companies that are doing the right thing right now right yeah please please don't don't start seeding the environment with these stories that'd be like you know that that springtime is here and it's time to cast away all our concerns because beginning to happen very quickly all right let's talk briefly about infrastructure yeah it'd be nice to have some yeah here all right moving on yeah that's it that's really my take just my idea i just read
Starting point is 01:07:04 this thing about france and i was like it must be nice but you know it's like a lot of nations are especially america takes its sweet fucking time trying to figure out how to combat co2 emissions there's like little examples of like just small things you can do to have positive outcomes like in france um you know when they're not busy enacting just horrifically islamophobicab laws and, you know, robbing people of agency because that's just not how we get down here. They are really trying to figure out like a practical way to combat emissions. And not that I'm just saying like, is a flight, an internal domestic flight that can be covered by train in under two and a half hours. We ain't doing that flight anymore.
Starting point is 01:07:56 We're just not doing it. It doesn't make sense because then you can take a fucking train because on average, the plane has amid 77 times more CO2 per passenger than the train. So that's like a little thing you can do. Okay. I love riding the train. It's so wonderful. But we already got like things where like Republicans are like, oh, giving money to Amtrak. It's like, right.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Yeah. That's what my first thought was like, wait. So the government's telling them to do that and they're listening without like a enormous political backlash on like a bunch of militia people like yeah they also do shit like be like oh air france you need some money okay well guess who owns part of that now the government right because you needed some bailout money we're here it's like it's my friend though it's like well if you were really thinking imagine you were thinking like a businessman if another business person came up to you say hey let me get a loan you'd be like okay give me a stake in your fucking company that's your fucking head
Starting point is 01:08:52 right now come up with that ownership scheme it's not like the u.s government hasn't bailed out the airlines like constantly it's just right they know it's bad pr right is it bad pr to nationalize them i mean exactly that's all it is it's bad pr it's actually good policy and it makes for better outcomes by not allowing these greedy fucks to do whatever the fuck they want so anyway along those lines it's just saying it's stuff like this that the u.s should be thinking about more aggressively because the other thing is like as much as they're like oh we're gonna go electric all electric everything it's gonna be electric avenue we're still main street electrical parade the one you see our fucking fleets coming down the street
Starting point is 01:09:27 okay fine but that's not electric cars alone will not solve this crisis like especially when you consider the carbon footprint for the production and transport of electric vehicles it's not it's not like oh electric cycling is actually going to have to factor in on some level for us to really cut down on emissions. And I was just reading this other piece, especially looking at things happening in Europe as a result of pandemic. Like I think overall, like interest in cycling has gone up in this country, myself included. Like I use a bike way more than I used to, but just looking at simple things like this, in this study, they found urban residents who switched from driving to cycling for just one trip per day reduced their carbon footprint
Starting point is 01:10:09 by about a half ton of CO2 over the course of a year. And that's essentially the same as the equivalent emissions from a one-way flight from London to New York. And if just one in five urban residents permanently change their travel behavior in this way over the next few years, it could cut emissions of car travel to close to eight percent eight percent in europe specifically in this analysis so like just build the bike like you see places that have bike lanes and you're like oh wow why wouldn't i bike there why because it's safe la is like fucking mad max like you got to be like oh i hope you're built to ride a bike in the in
Starting point is 01:10:47 these streets because nobody's saving you it's just different levels of encouragement i think we need them there used to be a thing at like when i worked for a tech company where they would ask you if you drove to work and they would actually be able to enforce it because you wouldn't get a parking spot if you said that you like rode a bike to work and then you would get like a tax break i think or something this was in la but that's like rather than going through your employer why not just make it so that people like can report for riding a bike everywhere and like get get some sort of credit that doesn't require all sorts of you know the u.s just makes things super complicated and favoring of employers over employees so that they don't lose the power to the you know so capital doesn't lose the power
Starting point is 01:11:41 to the people yeah i'm just thinking like the, like even with New York, right. All the stuff that is being proposed, like how can we reuse the streets smarter? Right. You know, because clearly COVID led to a movement of like reclaiming these streets for us,
Starting point is 01:11:56 like public spaces or no car spaces and like using bikes and things like that to, to waste that opportunity to apply that sort of thinking across the country is such a missed opportunity oh yeah and for like people like to ride bikes in la which is wild like there's there are many opportunities to ride your bike with groups or whatever you can fucking there's like certain paths that you can take but it's not enough where it feels like a city that's thinking about people who ride bicycles and I feel like when you're in just to give people that encouragement
Starting point is 01:12:27 would be just such a natural way where someone's like oh fuck yeah I would love to ride in a protected bike path rather than worrying if I'm gonna get sideswiped by a Costco delivery truck because nobody's looking just passively like it can't cost that much money
Starting point is 01:12:42 and you're damn sure not spending it to help unhoused people so where the what the fuck are y'all doing right and like the and covid's lockdowns like nature just sort of started to blossom in this weird way because a lot of the pollution was cut down and so it's like like you said it's this missed opportunity to be like okay so this is like the effect of us doing x y and z so then we obviously can't keep going at that rate but how can we apply some of the you know the improvements as negative as everything's been the environmental improvements of us just like not fucking with everything constantly right so it's like i hope that we i am dubious but i do hope we will take stuff from that
Starting point is 01:13:21 that's what yeah it makes it disheartening. There's been some coverage of that being somewhat exaggerated. Is it? The eco benefits and the dolphins have returned to the canals of Venice. I think that was... That was just fake. That was fake. Did I get duped? But I think overall, there's definitely been a decrease in flights,
Starting point is 01:13:43 decrease in flights, decrease in, you know, miles driven. And I was just thinking as you guys were talking about like things that we could take from the pandemic, if we're allowed to just wear sweats from now on, like everywhere, it doesn't matter. Then I can ride my bike to work and not worry about the fact that I sweat through three shirts. We have to become a post-drip society yes thank you i feel like we have to move into a post-drip culture because the drip is you know directly related to capitalism consumer capitalism and i think if we can if we can move to a post-drip economy a post-drip society a lot of ills will be remedied because i think to outwardly be able to
Starting point is 01:14:24 you know evoke your status with your clothes is like, is the, is the first game that shit plays on you to begin sort of rat racing towards nonsense. And post drip in the sense that I will be completely dripping in sweat and people just have to get over that. Yeah. Well,
Starting point is 01:14:41 Chelsea, as always such a pleasure having you on the show uh where can people find you and follow you well thank you both i always love being here so anytime you want me back i just think you are both so brilliant oh no and let's see so instagram at american hysteria podcast twitter at amer hysteria and yeah our show covers a lot of the stuff i talked about today uh conspiracy theories moral panics fantastical thinking from like a sociological perspective so check it out if you like the bullshit i talk about um and thanks again guys yeah thanks and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying you know
Starting point is 01:15:22 what i'm gonna bring it back to some celebrity gossip if that's cool um and i just thought that this was a nice piece of news and the tweet is from naya don't give a f and it's i like macaulay culkin he's sweet and he's been through a lot and i don't think he's as ugly as people make him out to be. So I love Macaulay Culkin. I've been rooting for this dude my whole life. So I'm happy that he's happy. He's got a nice, lovely child that I don't think anybody's seen yet, but,
Starting point is 01:15:56 um, Oh, no one has seen him. I'm not sure. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Brenda song.
Starting point is 01:16:02 I was just about to say, yeah, she, I didn't know they were together. I didn't know anything about this who's good, right? Yeah, Brenda Song. I was just about to say, yeah. I didn't know they were together. I didn't know anything about this. Me either. Is Brenda Song famous for something? I think she's from Disney stuff.
Starting point is 01:16:12 And she was in Social Network. I know that. Oh, okay. Yeah. And just a happy little couple. And I think he's doing good. And I wish him and her the best. I mean, yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:22 Jack, come on, bro. You remember when we got ripped and watched Suite Life of Zack and Cody, yeah, Jack. Come on, bro. You remember when we used to get ripped and watch Suite Life of Zack and Cody? Right, right. Oh, Brenda's song from Suite Life of... Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, hell yeah. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram,
Starting point is 01:16:38 Miles of Grey, and also twitch.tv slash 420dayfiancé to come check us out when we record 420dayfiancé. Where we just talk trash reality, you know? We try not to get too into the social justice shit because it's like our time to bullshit. But inevitably, we get pulled right back in because that's the world we're in. Some tweets that I like.
Starting point is 01:16:59 First one from Dahlia Malik, past guest at Dahlia. First one from Dahlia Malik, past guest at Dahlia, and just tweeted a parenthetical, all male lineups of stand up comedy is back. Yes, shit goes back to normal. Shit is going back to that fucked up kind of normal. It seems like some of the bills I've seen. And this is from Andrew Nadeau, that Andrew Nadeau tweeting make a movie about the ta who had to teach 90 of indiana jones's classes yes yes thank you please do what happened there how did he keep his job and just all the this is just so disorganized so disorganized so distracted. Every time he was in class running off to a different thing.
Starting point is 01:17:48 And the girls were always crushing on him, which made me think there was a weird dynamic there. Just regaling them of Nazi punching stories. Yeah. But they weren't woke enough back then that that would have been that cool.
Starting point is 01:18:04 Indiana Jones right now, like, oh my God, you were punching Nazis in the 40s. Like, yeah, you know. Right. 98 now. Back then, they were like, but they have some thoughts on eugenics that my other class was just teaching me are pretty swell. Right. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:18:19 Show us some of the other professors. Professor Indiana Jones was taught. Who were his colleagues around the time right some tweets i've been enjoying uh i just want to give a shout out to anna dresden former crack writer current snl writer she tweeted genuine stupid joy to write this impossibly stupid uh bit with bowen yang who is the celine Celine Dion of comedy he delivers and it's the Bowen Yang's appearance on a weekend update uh portraying the iceberg that sunk the Titanic uh and it's so good it's my favorite thing I've seen on SNL in a long time but Anna is super duper funny and
Starting point is 01:19:00 Bowen's uh genius so wanted to shout out Saturday Night Live. It was the hardest I've laughed at anything on SNL in a long time. And I also liked a tweet from Jeremy Kaplowitz who tweeted, I literally just fucking got that honk if you're horny is a pun. Honk if you're horny. Oh, on the horn.
Starting point is 01:19:25 I never got that. I took that as just a call and response when you're out in the streets. Honk if you're horny. Whatever creep in the 60s made that up for a t-shirt was
Starting point is 01:19:41 thinking two steps ahead. I gotta tell you guys one thing really quick i saw on a ram a dodge ram just like two weeks ago a bumper sticker that said dodge the father ram the daughter and it was like yeah i was like man you you're just out in the world you always wonder when you see people have those like aggressive ass bumper stickers we're like yeah i eat the inside of asshole and it's like that's the whole back of your truck window right like what the fuck the people need to know what is that what the the inside of asshole why eat it for breakfast yeah it's like this is i mean but you know i this is the thing i've learned if
Starting point is 01:20:26 if you have if you have like nasty freak friend you know people who are like for it like yeah you know i eat ass in the republic about it there's like another vibe that they all like gravitate towards or something so it's like oh yeah that's for a different that's another world and us in a civilized society we're like oh no but with the ass goblins they're like yeah I'm all for ass eating bumper stickers but ones where it's like I like to have sex with young women
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Starting point is 01:21:26 We also link off to a song that we think you should go check out for your vibes. The information for your brain, the song for your vibes. Miles, what song should people take in today? Info for your brain and songs for your vibes. This will be, wow, wow this is gonna actually be uh
Starting point is 01:21:48 like a little bit of uh missy elliot remix okay and you're gonna have to listen because it's just gonna like missy can't miss but a modern day remix by kayla maestro is gonna take it to the next level and this track's called BMO 2001. Stands for Break Missy Off. And it's by K. Le Maestro. And you're going to get it on SoundCloud or just check the footnotes for that link. Alright. Well, go check that out.
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