The Daily Zeitgeist - Cops Dumb And Mean, Aliens Smart And Nice? 4.18.22

Episode Date: April 18, 2022

In episode 1228, Jack and Miles are joined by writer, producer, and co-host of Private Parts Unknown, Courtney Kocak to discuss… Defund the Fucking Police, Cops Are Using Disney Music To Prevent Being Filmed (Which Doesn’t Even Work), No, NASA Scientists Aren’t Ushering in an Alien Apocalypse and more! Defund the Fucking Police Manhunt Ends but Questions Linger After Arrest in Subway Attack Why “Crime” Isn’t the Question and Police Aren’t the Answer Alec Karakatsanis Thread Cops Are Using Disney Music To Prevent Being Filmed (Which Doesn’t Even Work) US officer plays Taylor Swift song to try to block video Police under review for blasting Disney songs in alleged attempt to keep videos off social media Cops Tried Playing Disney Music to Censor a Video No, NASA Scientists Aren’t Ushering in an Alien Apocalypse Scientists will send a radio message into space revealing Earth's exact location to ALIENS despite Stephen Hawking's warning they may want to destroy us NASA Wants to Beam a Message to Aliens, But It Could Give Away Humanity’s Greatest Secrets Scientists Make Message to Send Earth's Location to Aliens, Ignoring Stephen Hawking's Warning Stephen Hawking's Most Provocative Moments, From Evil Aliens to Black Hole Wagers Star Of 'Contact' And 'GoldenEye,' Arecibo Telescope Collapses In Puerto Rico   LISTEN: Part 2 Sandworms by David MatthewsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 233, episode one of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, April 18th, 2022, which of course means it is National Amateur Radio Day. Nard. For those who... Nard. National Animal Crackers Day. Nacked. NARD. For those who... NARD. National Animal Crackers Day.

NACT. NACT. You know, I like to just give it a full word. How do you feel about animal crackers? Oh, I loved them as a kid. But I think I was like an animal cracker snob. If it didn't come in the fucking box that had like the menagerie like the traveling circus cage printed on yeah i was like this is well these are not animal crackers even though they were like the simplest shit

so when you bring that up i do have a very specific like sense memory like scoffing at the thing that didn't have the animal print on the box what is the flavor is it just vanilla i feel like because my kids have gone through animal cracker phases we bought a like a barrel of them essentially and they were suspiciously held up extremely well for like the year and a half that it took us to get through those i mean yeah i mean they're they've been around since who knows how long i feel like it's that old 19th century snack everybody loved but yeah i feel like it's all vaguely vanilla do they bite the limbs off they don't i don't i show them that's how you eat an animal cracker they just think i'm cruel

do you tear the that fucker limb from limb okay and that's how you eat and then the head goes last i feel like i'm looking at some modern day ones. They're not necessary. Like they don't bake them with individual legs on some of them. So the kids are losing out these days. Yeah. No, it's more of a precision operation these days. Yeah.

So the question that I had just tying into Friday's episode is whether there's a lemon component to the animal crackers. Because I was picking that up when i was eating eating through the barrel full my kids had like two animal crackers i like my weight and animal crackers over the course of the year but i was picking up a lemon and that there does seem to be some speculation at least online people saying agreed on lemon flavoring in conjunction with vanilla as a big part of what makes that animal cracker flavor so yeah that that may there may be there's like a tartness like a just a whisper of some tartness that brings balance to the menagerie anyways i'm a lemony snicket either okay lemony

i like lemon flavor oh you snicket out hereicket out here. So lemony. Okay. But anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. It's gonna take five. A whole lot of yellow five. It's gonna take some yellow ass five to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it right. The do in there spelled D-E-W. I got my mind wet off do. I got my mind wet off do. That is just a, you know, courtesy of a James Ray song. I didn't realize it was originally by James Ray. Later covered by the late, great George Harrison. And of course, a reference to my first day on the job

When I slammed a can of dew And Super Producer Anna was like Oh, I didn't know you liked to get wet And I was like, what's wet? And she was like, butt naked, Baja Blasted Code Red, Major Melon, Mountain Dew Anyways Doom in Helmsley

I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Bailey Zeitgeist in the morning. Hosts are Jack O'Bee and Miles. Face the world of news and hot takes with their dew and cold brew coffee. In the afternoon, what's trending? And the guest hosts never ending. They may be second rate podcasts, but at least they post them often. Do, do, do, do.

Anyway, shout out to CWGVO collab with Fighter of the Nightmare on Discord for that wonderful Tom's Diner inspired, a.k.a. Appropriate cover of that song. You sound that remix, it's still... And I hear it now! Let's bring in our guests, because we've got to talk about all this with them. We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very talented writer, podcast host, TV writer, producer, comedian, essayist. She co-created, produced, co-hosts the brilliant podcast Private Parts Unknown. Yeah.

Her writing's been published in a few small outlets, such as the Washington Post, the LA Times, Bustle, Hello Giggle. She's written for Amazon's Emmy-winning animated series Danger and Eggs. Please welcome the hilarious and talented Courtney Kosay! Courtney! AKA, I did not prepare a song. There it is. So sorry. That is fine.

Have you heard that TikTok cover of Tom's Diner where the dude comes in and makes it all about himself? Oh. Oh my, hold on. Hold on. I'm going to play it. I feel like any millennial, if they haven't heard it, has to hear it just to see how far we've come astray i do feel

like our two choices of ak's could have been on the radio like back to back and in the late 80s i was surprised you guys don't have to pay licensing fees i know this the singing like the whole song yeah oh yeah it's well it's so atonal that no modern algorithmic copyright sweeping software could ever pick it up. Yeah, they can't tell our intention just based off of... We end up getting money and they're like, actually, it sounds like Suzanne Vega was covering you. But here, this is this band, Ann and May Cantor, right? And Giant Rooks version of this. We can cut this out, Justinin just so she can hear it oh my goodness oh what do you think of that um honoring the source material yeah wow yeah that's

i think that's all we can say is wow courtney just listened to it i think we're cutting out the actual song but yeah yeah yeah i feel like most people know just so look in case people act you know because we actually played it but yes that guy's that guy's voice you know he's bellowing when he comes in with that line just gives us i don't know something to think about i felt that yeah yeah well courtney uh we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today we are gonna just check in with the record of police in the United States around the country. How are they doing? What are they up to?

Not good. Not good, turns out. We're going to talk about NASA. So there was a story that was going around, I guess, last week or a couple weeks ago, saying there's a trope in sci-fi where it's like once aliens find out where we are it's right you know it's yeah count count down to the opening scenes of independence day so we're going to talk about that a lot of people are you putting stephen hawking's name on the idea that like yeah we're fucked if if they hear from us, we're already fucked.

Is that? Yeah. And like, honestly, maybe the aliens might give us a cleaner way out. Right. Yeah. You know, they were like, yo, we can vaporize this shit in a blink of an eye and just make it real easy for you. Or, I mean, you could watch it burn down.

I don't know. Up to you. You guys think about it. We'll be up here. We'll talk about all of that plenty more. But first, Courtney, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? I have been Googling so much shit about my thyroid.

It's not even funny. Just nonstop Hashimoto's, is this cancer, yada yada. So I feel like that reveals that I am a hypochondriac and turns out i do have that real illness though oh wow what is the what's the real illness hashimoto's hashimoto's is like a precursor i guess i don't fully understand to hyperthyroidism and has its own kind of set of symptoms and it's autoimmune so it's like very misunderstood and it's just sending me down a total rabbit hole but hey if anybody in the zeitgang has successfully sort of naturally cured their hashimoto's i would love to hear from you

is that what what is potentially how do you treat it like is Is it so murky that there's a bunch of conflicting ideas or research on it, or it's just not researched enough? Well, there's the endocrinologist take, and then there's the naturopath take. The root cause is undetermined. They don't know exactly what it is. And also, a ton of women get gaslighted while they're trying to seek treatment for this they're like right and be included for two years they've been like no there's nothing wrong i had to order my own test and be like i think there is right yeah

so one of our other guests zara norwalk also had thyroid issues. And, you know, she, she had said, she was like, it just felt like I didn't was out of it for two years before someone actually was like, hold on, let's, let's figure this out. Because the same thing was being said more like, no, it just sounds like you're just tripping. Also, they just look at me and they're like, you're healthy. And I'm like, I swear to God, it's not. Can you dig a little deeper? Right. The sensation within my body is not what is showing up on whatever checklist. This shit is leaking. I can feel it.

So let's talk about that. Well, I hope, man, I hope you were able to get some answers and some relief. Yeah. Thank you. Pretty cool name, though. I know, right? Hashimoto's is a cool name. Yeah.

What is something you think is overrated? Coachella? Never been, but seen enough Instagram posts to know that that's all I need. Like, I'm ready for this weekend to be over. Is it just one weekend this year or are there two weekends? No, I think there are two. Two, yeah. I feel like this week has been intense with the posting.

I don't know if you guys have seen the same thing. I saw something that said the prices took an absolute dump when they swapped Kanye out. And now I'm like, ha, ha, ha. This is usually how I used to go to Coachella. It starts on a Friday. I would basically be like, okay, let's just drive down to Indio and just check Craigslist

because there's going to be some sad person on the way there who's like, please just take this for something. But yeah, and you can watch it on YouTube now. Why did they swap Kanye out? What's going on? Not much. Don't worry. Some stuff went down there.

He's just generally not well. Got it. Okay. It's the gist of that one. But yeah, because now it's the weekend and Swedish House Mafia, because there's no Travis Scott and there's no Kanye. So, yeah. But you can still appropriate a headdress and wear that, which I feel like is kind of

the main point of the festival. Yeah. Dana Donnelly, who was on the week before, tweeted something. She's like like why do i need to go to coachella when i can just do shrooms at urban outfits somebody legit stopped my uh my wife has a hat that i think is cool and somebody in like sweats and sunglasses but like nice sweats and sunglasses stopped her on the street and was like oh yeah you you're ready for coachella huh and she was like all right i guess i have to throw this fucking

hat out huh she stabbed the person to death with the hat yeah wait what is it because it let me guess it's like a wide it's like a wide brimmed hat. Yep. It's not felt. But it's wide-brimmed. Yeah. Whatever. I know the vibes. I don't think that's necessary. That feels like a real shady swing to just be like, oh, somebody's wearing Coachella. I think they were hitting on her.

So, like, it wasn't. I don't think they were like, somebody looks ready for Coachella. Were you right there? Were you present? I was not. Were you right there? She came back upset. It was like, they think this hat is from Coachella.

They think it's a Coachella hat. It's Coachella. Those are our two millennial problems. Right. Someone said I look like Coachella today. I think the real problem would be if she was happy. She was like, yep, that's right.

Right. I'm ready. Oh yeah. She's like, I'm going to go pick some daisies to make a sick flower. Harry Styles is there. I would be remiss if I didn't mention that Harry Styles was one of the headliners. I've only been once.

It was the year that outcasts was like having their first show back together. Yeah. Went the first weekend. Cause I was like, I want to be there for the first outcast.s was like having their first show back together yeah went the first weekend because i was like i want to be there for the first outcast that was 2014 i think it was earlier than that i don't know it seems like a long time ago maybe it was 2014 yeah 2014 i was there jack but they hadn't figured out the sound equipment yet coachella fucked them basically and it sounded really bad and that was not great second weekend

apparently was great but I think the artists have to pay for like their own whole sound setup and like stage situation I heard like it can almost bankrupt you to go to Coachella I think if it's more than the one that they're providing like then it's like okay well then bring in your own infrastructure they're like isn't that part of right okay fine they're like well we're paying you all this money so yeah just check it out on youtube folks if you missed it this weekend it'll be on next weekend and you know get your fill-in of doja cat and the gang doja cat and the gang my favorite the doja cat right behind garfield and heathcliff and the gang uh doja cat and the gang one of my favorite cartoons from my childhood 100 what is

something you think is underrated courtney quora sorry not sorry but i love the question and answer site yes i love i check it almost every day they send me emails and I'm like, this is irresistible. It's just people asking like wild hypothetical shit. There's no illusion of fact checking. Right. Oh, totally. I mean, that's where the best. Yeah.

Like, am I Gregnant? Is like, you know, all off Quora type stuff. What's like, what's the wildest shit you've seen on Quora that you're like, this is why I come back for this. Oh, I did screenshot something for you guys. You know, it'll just be like people being like do i have cancer and um but a little known fact about abraham lincoln not only was abraham lincoln the tallest president at six four but he was the president with the largest hands and then there's legit a picture of his no those abe lincoln hands Let me see those Abe Lincoln hands. Let me see those. I like that kind of stuff.

I'm sorry. Wait, where do they have? Was he doing like a Javon curse at the draft, like holding a ruler in between his pinky and thumb? I think somebody just snapped a picture while they were catching the hands. I don't know how they got them because this is a mold. Or is he laying them out? Oh, that's a mold. Okay. Got it. It's a mold. And I don't know if those are his real hands is a mold. Or is he laying them out? Oh, that's a mold. Okay. Got it. It's a mold, but...

And I don't know if those are his real hands. That's the whole thing. Who cares? There used to be some real morbid shit where they would, and I think they did with him, tour with the body of a dead famous person. Oh, God. Yeah. Oh, so that was the Tupac Coachella set before it was the Tupac Coachella set?

Right. Yeah, exactly. Wow. Just going off the top three here. Oh, so that was like the Tupac Coachella set before it was the Tupac Coachella set in 3D? Yeah, exactly. Wow. Just going off the top three here. What's the top three? Because I've never been to Quora as a destination site. It's always been accidental, search engine, optimized. If I have a question, then Quora pops up.

But top three. We'll do shooting ranges. Do with all the brass and bullets left behind by patrons oh yeah that was that is from somebody answering i own an indoor range shoot so like that's somebody being like here's an interesting question about me let me talk for a little bit can a dna test create a diet plan for you so that's interesting to like find out because i know that's a claim been made and then the big one how cold was the water that leo dicaprio nickname basis was in during the filming of his final scene in titanic i'm in a titanic phase

where i'm reading up on the disaster and the film the real water the night the titanic sunk was 28 degrees and then they're like was leo really about it was it was it 28 degrees right right right no it wasn't it was not no they shot that in mexico yeah but the water was fucking 55 degrees they wore when they shot it yeah when they shot it they wore wetsuits under their costumes to keep them warm. Good for him. This is a core effect? This is a core effect, yeah. Oh, see?

Yeah, no, this is great. So good. Top three, I found something that would occupy me and that I'll probably bring up in a conversation in the next... Wait, what do they do with all the spent casings at a shooting range? I don't know. It looks like they get ground up. Let me see. Backstop is shredded rubber over steel. The debris other than lead or rubber is disposed of as hazardous material.

Here's a picture of one of our early mining efforts showing about 10 tons of lead. So I guess they're like digging the bullets out of the rubber. Right, but the casings where the person's firing the gun that are ejected after shooting occasionally like the shell steel the brass and the collection bucket left behind by other shooters oh i thought that had like a second life like you know those brass brads that keep the scripts together in hollywood that's where those shell casings go yeah that would be interesting a new life this is sad someone like, I'm 5'8", 92 pounds, and ate 600 to 800 calories daily for a few months now. What happens if I continue doing this?

No. No. It gets weird on there. It gets super weird. Yeah. It's a whole spectrum, man. It's the internet. You can find right after a nice bright spot can be darkness yeah that's the

way it is i like the brand loyalty i like that you get like the emails from the site and you're like you have a automated email relationship that when you see the email you're like oh as opposed to like oh these motherfuckers email right you're like yeah give me with something interesting and i don't know how i wound up on the list. Like, I think I just clicked on too many things on Cora and they were like, we're going to start sending her the emails. A friend recommended you.

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And we're back. And the second we cut to break, Miles was like... I'm looking at this Coachella lineup and I'm thinking, I went back back to 2010 miles who used to just pull up trying to get a cheap ticket and if if i could for a discount if i could see some of these artists i'm not mad actually like i want to see like i want to see denzel curry right denzel curry's there i want to see bad bad not good yeah i want to see fucking flume fuck it and fat boy slim i'll go there i'll fucking pop molly in the sahara tent when when the drop hits on flume dude on flume bro if he plays the tennis court lord remix it's over city girls core day i'm like the thing is i'm not gonna pay full price for this. But if in my mind, the situation is I see a thing on Craigslist.

It's like, please help me. I'll give you, buy my ticket for a hundred bucks. I feel like they should sponsor you guys as influencers. Yeah. I mean. People who like, yeah, who talk shit up until the last second. They're like, yeah, I guess it's pretty cool. Actually, now I'm here all fucked up.

Our marketing policy is all about nagging. We like to talk shit about your product. Dude. And then come around on it. Ooh, Jamie XX is there? Yeah, there's some good Millennials Japanese breakfast. Okay. I'm like, okay.

You know, Joji, my little half Japanese king. King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Shout out Australian Psych Rock. Okay. Anyway, too late. Don't have time yeah i mean next weekend you know maybe can sample the goods this weekend on streaming and then yeah we'll see come back if it if it's bad and tickets are depressed i may fuck it i may just for the good of the show

take my zoom recorder to coachella and just bring back some kind of audio package of me at Coachella. That would be amazing. Confused as shit. The people demand it. Yeah. All right. We'll have to crowdfund it. We'll see.

We've got a few days to figure it out. All right. So we just wanted to check in on a couple of stories around the police. Obviously there is another horrifying instance of police murdering an unarmed black man, Patrick Loyola, in Grand Rapids, this time on camera. So there might actually be some justice. But in case you saw the press conference with the mayor giving the concerned body language and the looking away and like, you know, just the general response to this shit seems to be one bad apple, just a tragic one off situation. Grand Rapids police have been pulling guns on innocent people for the past five years, like to the point that there have been like many complaints in 2017. Officers searching for a middle aged woman wanted for a stabbing instead handcuffed an 11 year old girl at gunpoint while she was just leaving a house. Those officers were not disciplined. A month before that, Grand Rapids officers held five innocent teenagers at gunpoint. 2020 local outlets reported an officer was suspended for two days after shooting a protester in the face with a gas canister. So first of all,

it probably doesn't need to be said the 11 year old child who was automatically treated like a suspect was a person of color the shooting of the protester in the face i want to come back to in a second but yeah it's yeah that's that's that's the latest hook into being like oh the police are murderous, you know, fucking monsters. And this death especially is disturbing in the manner in which it happened. Even this description spooks me because this officer was on top of him and then shot him in the head. On top of him. With the victim face down.

Yeah. Yeah. But yet we're still like dragging our feet to just be like, oh, God, let's investigate what happened. Exactly. What was the cop's justification? I mean, he pulled him over because of registration being out of date. How does it go from that to shooting someone in the back of the head?

Because he was trying to arrest him, I guess. And he was resisting. I guess and he was resisting and when he I believe he also was like on top of this guy who was face down and he was struggling to like he was like trying to just get out of this position that's maybe probably having trouble breathing or something the gun comes out and then this guy's just shot in his head um and this is you know just it's like wild too because there were so many other stories in the last week that deserved everyone's attention and then it's like wow too because there were so many other stories in the last week that deserved everyone's attention and then it's like half of it was like still will smith and chris rock talk right yeah and whatever but yeah so that's that get that takes us to this moment today right so

then we have just another aspect of the police that i think is undercovered, and that is just how fucking bad they are at their jobs. They're funded beyond anything that has happened in the history of human civilization when it comes to a police force. And let's just run through the events of the subway shooter arrest. I think this tweet sums it up. If I understand correctly, the subway shooter dropped his weapon, car keys, and a credit card at the scene of the crime, called in his location to an NYPD tip line, chilled at a McDonald's until he got tired of waiting for them to show up and was apprehended by a guy named Zach. That seems to be how it went down. There's, you know, details of

that that are backed up by the New York Times. And yeah, I mean, Alec Katsanis had a good thread on this where, you know, I'll just read directly from it, but he was like, you know, much of the debate about cops rightly focuses on their millions of physical and sexual assaults, thousands of murders, rampant overtime, sickly fraud, bribery, perjury, high rates rates of domestic abuse links to white supremacist infiltration of left-wing movements etc but they are also historically incompetent that that's right an important detail even with greater and greater budgets and technology unaccountable u.s police bureaucracies are getting worse and worse at what they say is their core function. And there's this graph about like homicide clearance rates from 1965 to 2020.

And it's just down, down, down, down, down. They're just getting worse and worse as it becomes clearer and clearer to them. Like, no, the thing that you are actually paid for is to just enforce, you know, property crimes and basically do the bidding of the ownership class. And like clearing a homicide that happens between, you know, people who are poor, you know, that's not what they're there for, basically. No, no, that's something called justice.

Right. We're sorry, we're security guards for private property that like that graph of the homicide clearance rates now i'm sure right in the 60s there was probably like just like we see now there's cops who's like i don't know fuck it just say that fucking guy did it so we can close the case right but there's something odd though too is i believe between 1965 and 2020 technology also got better, presumably to make it easier for people to solve crimes like it properly. Yet it's still going down. And whether that's a function of the volume of crime, whatever.

But I don't think that's really the case, because what we're looking at is we have near historic lows for for most crime but even despite that you know 11 basically 11 billion dollar budgets and the nypd and the lapd respectively like they're each hauling in that kind of money and we still get like this kind of argument from these people that's like well they're defunding the police right yeah they're not they're not. As a woman, the thing that I love to see is that most of the major U.S. police departments made explicit choices not to test 100,000 rape kits so that they could. Hundreds of thousands of rape kits. Hundreds of thousands of rape kits so that they could do homeless arrests and. Drug possession. Drug possession.

Yeah, that's from the Alex Karkatsanis thread. And yeah, it's I mean, I think that ties directly back into that homicide rate. And, you know, what Miles is talking about with like the we have the we have the technology now to like use DNA evidence to stop sexual assault and or at least like stop more of it than has historically ever been possible. Instead of doing that, it's drug possession and homeless arrests, the anti-terrorism task force for the NYPD, while the shooter was trying to turn himself in by calling the tip line that they had set up. The NYPD terrorism task force was raiding a homeless encampment and arresting unhoused people. I think what's even more damning, right, or not even more damning, but what adds to it is that

along with the technology that's gone up, it's so good that regular citizens can have an idea of who a suspect is and then just do the work for the police for them. Like you're saying, they're so busy doing this other shit of just brutalizing the unhoused. Meanwhile, a guy who is doing like a consultation for a security camera installation was like, hey, that, hey, yo, that's the guy. Right. Yo, that's the guy. And he was telling people, yo, that's the guy. Right. Yo, that's the guy. And he was telling people, yo, get the fuck away. And it's wild to see that press conference where this regular guy had intervened to save,

or not save people, but apprehend him. He was warning other people, stay clear of this guy. He's going to do something bad. This is the person from the subway. Fucking tries to stop him, flags down a cop, and does the work for it because he was just a generally aware person in New York. Yeah. And that that was the law enforcement that day, that the people who needed medical care in the fucking subway stations were mostly being tended to by transit workers.

Yeah. And other. So there was an NYPD officer during the shooting who told another bystander to call 9-1-1. This is happening right after they made a push to like put more police in the subway system. And like just generally, like broadly the way the story has gone, like they're after 2020 and, you know know the protests following the george floyd video the there was a conversation about police abolition and that got co-opted by like people like matt iglesias basically a lot of the new york times editorial staff washington post editorial staff who came through and basically said like more police equals lower crime. This is a fact.

So, like, as much as your ideas are, like, nice sounding, we're over here with the adults, and we're telling you that more police equals lower crime. And so stop it. Oh, show me some studies? Can you show me the studies that prove that, please? Yeah, and there are studies that say that. They're usually provided by

the police and like funded by the police and there are more studies and in fact the academic consensus is the opposite that like investing in police creates a short-term like either uh flatline or slight drop in crime but then eventually over time it goes up because it is fucking poisonous for a community to have the authority figures walking around with guns threatening everyone that's poisonous and then separating families as like one of their primary recourses and also like ignoring the root causes of crime that's like the i think the most fucked up part of when you have a you know supposed paper of record trying to examine something as complex as crime and only say well according to my friend the fucking cops this is

what's going on yeah exactly the end yeah not let's look at crime crime uh you know people are talking about crime let's look at the statistics crime. You know, people are talking about crime. Let's look at the statistics. Here are the statistics on crime. Here are what the police is saying, causing crime. Here are what sociologists, psychologists, psychiatrists, people who understand human nature, what they attribute to factors that contribute to somebody going extra legal outside the bounds of the law here's what other countries here's what statistics from other countries where they have gone from not what we have because again what we have is unprecedented in the history of human civilization but from having a front line of armed police force to disarming the police and seeing crime go way down and everything like respond very positively like couple that with uh fucking studies on ubi or people getting supplemental income right and the stress that alleviates for them psychologically the things that they're able to do the things they don't have to do anymore because they were able to find some source of money to be able to just provide the minimums of food and then talk to me about human behavior because they're just that's

like i mean god i wish more like more people were fucking outraged to be like the fucking even the people who want to say the new places like the new york times or washington post they're like fucking fox news what fox news is for conservatives that's what they do for the concept of law enforcement yes they're never going to tell you something real about what's happening there because the whole point of that fucking place is to maintain this narrative of police are being good and it's just a couple of bad apples rather than zooming the fuck out and being like this is a bad fucking tree right cut cut it the fuck down and let's find some other solutions because there's plenty of fucking research that says shit that works we're the city of new york is spending three billion dollars short of what

most ngos say it would take to stop global hunger for a year right the like that's what we're looking at in terms of the kind what the effects that money has rather than like fucking more apcs for the fucking cops like what did you guys ever hear about that i think it was freakonomics but basically like i think it was related to abortion and like when women could have abortions and like i don't know after roe v wade like the murder rate dropped yeah it was significantly i think i think that's pretty controversial like the their conclusion the science of it the conclude yeah their conclusions on that are a little controversial in terms of because yeah no that that fucking blew my mind when i read it too but i i don't know exactly what the controversy is i because i i think

like partially people are like it kind of implies eugenics type thing and also people are like that that was also a time when crime across the board was like going way down okay fair enough but as you know someone who's you know like an unwanted child is an enormous amount of stress and I think when we're talking about like root causes and not having enough money and poverty and all those things contributing. It's like, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. And you look at even just now because Democrats and Congress couldn't even get their shit together to extend the child tax credit. Exactly. There's our now millions of children are now with the snap of a finger or with the lack of fucking energy or vigor from polit from politicians are millions of kids are now in poverty again yeah because that little bit of money is all it takes to like when someone's on a knife edge to either be in poverty or just out of it being able to eke

out a somewhat normal life but i i also just can't believe the lack of coverage for the way that the police have responded to the idea of defunding the police, which again means like funding the police less and investing in community solutions. The police have openly responded to our outrage over their murdering of innocent people by being more brutal, failing to respond when crimes are in progress. Like, that's something that I know is happening because I, like, know people to whom that has happened, like, over the course of, like, two years now that that continues to be a refrain where the police are like, yeah, sorry, we were defunded. And when actually, actuality, they've continued to be funded at levels like unprecedented in the history of human civilization. There's been no restraint added to their tactics. They've continued to murder unarmed men and women of color with impunity. And their attitude seems to be that they're at war with the people who they're policing now more than ever because the people who they're policing dared criticize them. Like, how is that not a story that is constantly being covered? Like, it's an unbelievable fucking threat to yeah it's wild

when you have throughout all this right we also have stories like man flight attendants are dealing with the rowdiest motherfuckers on planes than ever before and what did they do some airlines said okay this is the situation we have people who have to deal with the public the flight attendants have to deal with the passengers we We found out from the flight attendants who have to deal with this that their lives are difficult and more chaotic because they're dealing with rowdy people. How do we turn down the rowdiness from the passengers? The fucking airlines had the wherewithal to say, maybe we serve less alcohol. Maybe we serve less alcohol because that seems to be getting people turnt up. There seems to be some stimulant. There seems to be some additive factor to the equation that is increasing the chaos that our flight attendants are experiencing when they take to the skies. I feel like you could extend that to how police work, right?

They say, damn, people are fucking turnt up out there. Is the solution more flight attendants? No. They said said less. No, arm the flight attendants, right? With bigger RoboCop flight attendants. Right. And in this version, right, someone would say, what's making people act this way? It's they experience severe lack. severe lack. Yeah. So because of that, that's, that's putting people into mental states or, or situations of having to survive, which you're seeing them do things that you call illegal. So maybe to do that, you turn down the fucking heat that even gets somebody to the point where they're considered a steal or whatever. Like we're talking like, like the kinds of low level crime that the New York times and shit want to act like. That's why the fucking whole world is going down. But why not address that?

Because that seems to be the key here. But again, like any disingenuous attempt at solving a problem, it's just going to say, well, let's just do the thing that benefits us the most. Yeah. We need to be paid more, actually. Right. That's the problem. We're not paid more to fucking kill people i don't if i if they gave a fuck they would actually be coming about real solutions how to address what causes

crime rather than be like we need more community-based police overtime schemes yeah let's get that overtime sweet sweet overtime the the bystanders like coming through and helping one another like while that sounds like a weird like a weird thing to just be like yeah you guys are on your own type thing and this looks like it at the it first of all it does appear that way even while we're funding uh the nypd like to be the sixth highest funded uh military in the world or whatever it is but there's also like first of all like anyone who wants to call out a good cop that's like that's great like if there's a if there's a good a good person who is like smart and resourceful and working as a police officer i want them doing

a different job like that is helping the community like or just as an unarmed person who is trying to help people out. I'm sure they would be good at fucking helping solve things if there is such a good thing. Weren't we supposed to get more unarmed peacekeepers? Yeah. Wasn't that part of the conversation? There's no follow through on those stories. You don't see that. But the thing is, there's no follow through on those stories. Like you don't see that. And then, but the thing is there,

right. There is no follow through on the stories because it, it, it does happen. And the results are, yeah, shit worked. Right.

That, well, that's not that, that, that doesn't lead because it doesn't bleed. Right. And I think that's where, like,

we have to really ask ourselves, or the kinds of stories we engage with, like what's actually reflecting our reality and how much are we getting absolutely like absolutely head fucked by disingenuous actors who are a in cahoots with the people who like cover up the physical manifestations of the failures of capitalism the police okay and they go to their friends who have the fucking ears and eyes of most people in the country that the media and just keep reinforcing this thing, which is it's not inequality. It's not the fucking police. It's not this, it's not the real fucking thing. And just

keep us in this fun house where we look at these fucked up versions of our realities. But so many people are unable to arrive at the conclusion because they're just served this distorted shit over and over. And I get it. Repetition becomes reality. There's so many people who think everything's so fucked up everywhere. And it like on an emotional level. Yeah, I'm not gonna argue with that. There's a lot of suffering out there. But like with when these very opportunistic stories come out, which are trying to like, keep progress from occurring or to take back the gains of like progressive, like lawmakers who are trying to say like we're incarcerating too many people. That's just when, I don't know, we're just, we just look at an increasingly fucked up, untenable situation. And my desire is for us to really be able to, more people to be able to really look at this and kind of think of like what where our part is in this whole equation yeah and we've talked before about that ug in oregon i think it was like community police force those like basically there to help people who are having started out with

like trying to help people who are having bad drug experiences but then it became like we're just here to you know if you need somebody and you don't want that somebody to come in with a gun pointed at you then like that's what we're here for and like the profiles you read of them the stuff that they're doing is just things that anyone can do if they're just patient and willing to listen and like learn what is happening in the situation which it sounds like is what is working in this subway shooter thing it's like okay well i'm you know i may have some cpr training and there's a person who's bleeding right there so i'm going to put that training into effect or you know zach coming through and just being like, that's the person from all those

news bulletins. I'm going to bring attention to the fact that that's who that is. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I mean, you look, there's, there, and there's so many studies like about what it, what armed police versus unarmed police do, like in general, not like broadly over what's better for crime, but like like there's so many things about saying that these interventions you're talking about how effective they are that and

and also on the other side that militarized police forces do not enhance public safety or reduce crime at all the only thing militarized police forces do is fuck up their reputation in the public yeah and that's all it is there's no they can't even point to the fact it's like well yeah when we send these people out who look like fucking seal team six to go bust a fucking meth dealer or something that that's not that that's bringing crime down it isn't yeah there's this other story jm uh hit us with about the police real quick that i got i got a touch on because it's right they keep doing things where when they see themselves where somebody taking video of them rather than being

like well that's their right you know we we work for them instead of doing that they start playing copyrighted music as loud as they can because somebody told them that that will get that will make it so the video can't be posted on social media so uninherently like trying to it's like them wiping their prints like it's a thing a guilty person does like trying to like fuck with the evidence of their wrongdoing like right off the bat which just uninherently creepy and and menacing thing to do. There's an example from a couple weeks back where a guy was trying to access body cam footage at a Beverly Hills police station and filming the encounter on Instagram,

and the cop he was dealing with whipped out his phone and started playing Sublime, the notorious pro-police band Sublime. And then that same police department previously did something similar with In My Life, the Beatles song, the like really heartfelt Beatles song. That's hilarious. And then there was one that went viral last June where a cop started playing Taylor Swift, which completely backfired. The clip promptly went viral, was uploaded to YouTube,

where it is still available now and has been viewed millions of times. There's also like a week ago, cops pulled up to a residential street in Santa Ana at 11 o'clock at night while investigating a stolen vehicle and started absolutely blasting a playlist of Disney songs. And the officer on the scene admitted it was to create copyright infringement when one of the people whose children he woke up was a city councilman who he recognized and was like apparently intimidated by. And so it was like, I'm sorry. OK. And the guy like made him apologize to all the families. Yeah, it was wild when that guy came out. He's like, do you know who i am

like the city council person you yeah no whatever dad whatever like can't tell me what to do this is gonna get copy blocked anyway narrator in fact it did not get copyright blocked so this is like the other thing that i i just want to point out about this is these competence the most powerful individual actors in our society like individual citizens with the right to use deadly force without consequence are being run with the integrity and tactical understanding of truth of like an elderly relative who believes like email forwards like that right this whole strategy is based on nothing it does not work it has never worked youtube claims you're allowed to use whatever music you want in the background of something like if it's just incidental like this and so it doesn't fucking work guys and here's a clip of your friend at a bar and you're like hey put it on youtube yeah but it's not actually like loaded

into part of like the audio track the sweepers don't pick it up in that way and if they do the other part is they'll just put a pre-roll ad in front of it because then they'll say oh okay this is actually a beastie boys track we'll just put an ad in front of it so then the beastie boys can monetize it but you can continue well we'll make your police brutality video wildly available widely available we just need to monetize it which is also fucking bizarre land already but yeah that's what they're assholes in the i watched the taylor swift video which i hadn't seen before but oh my god to just like start that in the middle right like it's you know it's like he's he knows what he's doing he's kind of acknowledging it in the moment the person's calling him on it it's just like dude what are you doing how do you think this is going to turn out well for you it's the same thing as like if a cop like was caught doing

something and they started taking off their uniform in front of you while you have them on camera and putting on like a costume and be like, I don't know what you're talking about. You're like, you are trying to obscure the facts right now by doing this. No, I'm just playing sublime, man. I mean, where were you in 92? I was

beating the fuck out of Rodney King in 92, but that's a whole other story. That's what the cops would be saying. Think about the fact that Taylor Swift video was from over a year ago i think it hasn't been taken down only became popular because of how stupid it was and they're still using this tactic like think about the level of you know investigate investigative rigor that they're putting into this which is like their way of being like haha no one can catch us and then like think about how fucking bad they must be at their jobs yeah they just go around and bully poor people that's all they fucking do yeah i mean this is like the same

shit like how long have we known that broken windows policing doesn't work? Apparently, you know, we never knew that because exactly because doing it again. Right. It doesn't matter what the facts say. It's just about these habits that they have. And because on the other side of it, they don't actually experience any form of regulating or fallout from their actions. Like they're just in like the worst form of being like, yes, man, just in the worst form of being yes-manned into the worst dumb fucking way of behaving. Because all they have is positive reinforcement

for every dumb fucking idea they have. And you're left with, yeah, incompetent people who rarely have to answer for their incompetence, only furthering their incompetence. And the way it's written about in the New York Times is that broken windows policing is a tactic used by the NYPD in an attempt to bring down crime of all sorts. So they take them at their word

of what the intent is of this thing and not no follow-up or second sentence fragment where they're like, but it obviously doesn't work and is in fact functionally just a way for them to control poor and communities of color yeah the new york times is the fucking cops they're really fucking bad at their jobs like worse than i could have possibly imagined i mean how do you fucking write any art? How are you going to do anything like balanced in terms of journalism and only take like like not be discerning in the kind of cherry picked evidence or studies are pointed to to like prove your point and in no way try to attempt to explain an issue like as best as your you know abilities can as a journalist because you have the abilities like i know i've read good articles in the new york times like you guys can you guys are good writers and that you have you employ a lot of really smart journalists but i don't know what the fuck's going on over there right let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about

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to aliens despite past warnings not to do so from stephen hawking he was like i'm out of here but you motherfuckers need to know like i'm leaving you with this instruction don't do this i don't know if those were his exact words this is another another thing, by the way, that is... Insert hack joke here. This is another thing that is... JM, our writer, was like, is this a viral marketing campaign for an upcoming OutFreeboot? Yo, I think this is, again, a plot point from the three-body problem, which I keep talking about.

It's this trilogy of Chinese sci-fi novels, and the main conceit of it, it has a Netflix series coming from Benioff and Weiss, the guys who did a decent job with 70% of Game of Thrones, and then they really fucked it up at the end. But it's a really fun trilogy. But the central conceit is that the universe is a dark forest

and full of like these ancient, or full of these alien civilizations that are hiding from one another. And the second you reveal where you are, you're going to get got. I'm like, so you just have to shut the fuck up and hide out. And one alien civilization,

like in that trilogy figures out where we are. And like, that's basically the plot. But so I, I understand the concern, right? His Stephen Hawking's, I read the book and,

and like Stephen Hawking's who like, this isn't his area of expertise necessarily but you know he was like based on humans like any any other advanced civilization if we take our you know way of being as a as a given or an indication of how other civilizations would be we'd be fucked like they would come and destroy us and just like you know drink up all our resources like straight up and that's true but the panic around it too like the headlines are so ridiculous like the newsweek one scientists make message to send Earth's location to aliens, ignoring Stephen Hawking's warning. I remember seeing that headline. I was like, oh, shit. And I just kept scrolling because I was like, I don't know, whatever.

Fuck it. And then another one from Daily Mail. Scientists will send a radio message into space, revealing Earth's exact location to all caps. message into space revealing earth's exact location to all caps aliens despite stephen hawking's warning they may want to destroy us the daily mail is like the uk's ny post page six yeah exactly um i just have to say i have recently done some ayahuasca ceremonies and i feel like the earth or not the earth the universe has more of a benevolent force than we give it credit for i 100 agree i'll fuck with that sans sans ayahuasca i 100 agree based on the fact that they seem to be here already like we have so much fucking, you know, eyewitness now video evidence that there is something here that can do things that defy the laws of physics as far as we know.

And, you know, any anything that is that much more advanced than us, like could have killed us all by now, like easily. They have not. have killed us all by now like easily they they have not and i also think this is why the military doesn't want us to know because the military wants us to think that everyone is like the military including like these advanced alien civilizations that it's that stephen hawking is right and that everything thinks on this plane of like go conquer destroy Right. You think the government knows about the aliens? Yeah, I think that, well, I think they know. So I think, you know, we're finding out that they have all those evidence and it's a mystery they've been trying to solve.

I don't know if they know more than they're letting on. They seem their public stance, which doesn't really kind of cohere with their overall, like the images that they try to project but their public stance has been like yeah we fucking have no idea you guys it's so weird like look at this shit that we have on tape y'all got any ideas yeah yeah like literally dude what do you guys think which seems very very strange i could see that being part of a a plan to like get funding for like more and more advanced weapons but it doesn't like it really seems like they have tried to keep it quiet for a long time they've like known there's there was there have been like alien encounters with people and they will threaten to like ruin the life of a scientist

who witness this if they say anything and i think the reason that they're so secretive about it is because they don't want people being like wait so like the whole military thing and like the killer be killed thing seem seems like that might be like the a thing of the past and like we're the more we advance the less we need assholes like you and so like because a lot of the alien sightings tend to happen around our military which, if they if they wanted to fuck up our military, they could have done it by now. But they are fucking with the nukes, right? Did I read that correctly? They have like there's been a lot of activity around nuclear silos, like nuclear weapons plants. And I think my thesis is like they just want to make sure that we're not going to do anything stupid, basically, because I support that.

Otherwise, like, again, like if they're able to do like faster than light speed travel to Earth, like they're not going to be like, whoa, look at these missiles. Wow. I think they're there being like, OK, these motherfuckers don't know what they're doing. But they figured that shit out. OK, man, here you got the remote. Right't know what they're doing but like damn they figured that shit out okay man here you got the remote right in case they try to launch on because you put that shit on we got to keep these guys alive it's like the best reality tv show ever that's what i've been saying we're their sloppy neighbors they're like oh they're fucking up over there you should go check this shit out right now yeah it's a mess yeah they're rooting for us like that i i root for like a young up-and-coming

nba player i'm like they got a shot they got a shot like they're they make a lot of mistakes but they got a shot like they just but the end game is for them to pit us against another plat like another planet eventually all right bro who you got i'm like i'm taking my earthlings against your Martians. We've been waiting too long. Let's fucking put them in a box. Let's see where this shit goes. And we're like, what happened? I thought it was about peace.

They're like, no, you aren't playthings. But apparently this debate of like, we can't let them know. Like, it has been going on for a long time. Right. This is a new version of the Arecibo message, which was sent into space in 1974 from the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico, which, if you're not familiar with that, that is the giant dish seen in Goldeneye. Yep. So you've probably played a video game on that if you're old. Or if you remember the movie Goldeneye. Yeah.

You know what I mean? There you go yeah but not some shambles yeah now it's falling apart which also looks really cool but people you know they sent a message out into space people were like what the fuck you're gonna kill us at the time they were worried that any creatures out there might be malvolent or hungry. Like they're just like bears out in the universe. Or hungry? Come on now.

Hungry? Like if they can get here, you think their thing is like, oh man, I just need, I'm going to eat their, eat them. Eat their food. What's up, man? I just pulled up in a hydrogen ion fucking propulsion engine. Time warp machine. Y'all got any goldfish? I love how we sent them like the most, it's like, looks like hieroglyphics or whatever.

The thing that we sent them, they're like, oh no, these guys need help. The message was a representation of the fundamental chemicals of life, the formula for DNA. They were like, here's what we've got so far in the 70s. You know, maybe this is useful. And then, yeah, like you're saying, a diagram that looks like hieroglyphics rendered through a Atari. Yeah. It's wild. I like it.

Yeah. I mean, sure. Come on, aliens. We could use something new, you know? Oh, yeah. It, I mean, sure. Come on, aliens. We could use something new, you know? Oh, yeah. It's getting dry down here. It's just such an embarrassing representation for us, the message that we sent.

It's like so primitive. Right. They're like, look at these 8-bit motherfuckers. This is the message they're sending? But I guess, you know, we can send something with better clarity. Yeah, I don't know how they landed on this. This looks like a scene from an Atari game that it isn't even at the point yet

where you can even tell what they're trying to depict. I think there's a lake and maybe a diving board and then aliens. That's the double helix of DNA. What? Yeah, dude. And then above that M with the skateboard on top of it at the bottom that the things

above between the human and the skateboard M or bow and arrow, the bow that looks like it's on top of the M at the bottom. That's the solar system. Also the human just looks. The that looks like it's on top of the M at the bottom. Oh, yeah. That's the solar system. Also, the human just looks. The human looks like shit. Yeah. Like shit.

Like, with the pixels don't even connect. Yeah. I would have no idea. It wasn't any of this mess. So these people got tiny heads, blocky torsos, two little dots that make up one arm, and then a bumpy left arm and then block feet they're like all right it looks like i'm ready like people people can go look up the rc bow message i just

want to let the aliens know if you're listening we look much better than that dusty ass eight bit rendition of our planet okay so come on down help us fight fascism and clean up the environment and you know all praise to the aliens you know yeah just hit hit me up i'm not gonna say shit i'm not like i'm just curious i'm good for it i can keep a secret nobody's gonna listen to me our podcast is second rate i just want to know what is your timeline like Like, what are you waiting for? Like, are you, you're just like, ah, we better. Jack's like, I love this shit. Just tell me the plot, man. Just tell me the plot.

I just want to know what your plan is. What's the main conceit? Because I can consult maybe because I'm very, like, dumb in a way that is, like, helpful, I think. Like, that's kind of useful. Yo, let me get in that writer's room, man. Let's just fucking, you know, let's just outline some different fucking plot lines i mean what's like what's the three-body plan right you're like it's clear what the a storyline is okay what's the b story what's the b plot shit well anyways hit me up uh three body problem sorry i know but you made me sound so

so dumb i loved it uh i seen all the three body plan please dude what no we good yeah courtney as always such a pleasure having you on daily zeitgeist where can people find you follow you all that good stuff i am at courtney kosak k-o-c-a-k on all the socials uh y'all check out my podcast private parts unknown yeah yeah you co-host with sophia alexandra y'all have heard her on here before and we talk about fun sex stuff. What's the most recent sex stuff? I know. I mean, but you guys talk about everything. I know a couple of weeks ago, you're talking to some people in Ukraine. We did a really great episode, the sex lives of African women by this chick that wrote a book

all about based on different interviews she did with people in Africa and the diaspora. That was really cool. We have an episode about PMDD coming up, which is great if you have period problems. We cover all kinds of shit over there. Yeah, amazing. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh, yeah. So this is David Gross. he's at david gross tv

and i just laughed really hard when i saw this tweet quote look at that person who has been awful to me personally on that giant billboard unquote and it's it's signed like everyone in LA eventually. That I thought was so real. Yeah, that is a very LA moment. Billboards, still a primary form of communication out here. Harassment. And harassment. Miles, where can people find you? What is a tweet you've been enjoying?

You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey. Also the other podcast, Matt Boosties Miles and Jack got Matt Boosties NBA podcast had Roy Wood Jr. on recently we might have dropped that episode in the feed of this podcast if you want to go listen to that

if it's not there, we couldn't figure out how to do it, but should be dropping an episode in the TDZ feed soon but also all you how to do it but should should be dropping an episode in the tdz feed soon but also all you need to do is search miles and jack got mad boosties and i think there's only like three podcasts with that name there you should be able to find just you can fucking even search mad boosties that's how lit the seo is right now okay and it will appear for you i mean they trust me the streak of amazing guests will continue some tweets i like first one is from m nate shamalan sold me tweeted elon musk

said he would fix twitter okay but he also said he made an unsmashable window and then smashed it immediately yep which is we all remember that cyberbertruck demo. Oh, man. Which, by the way, where's that Cybertruck? Where is the Cybertruck? Remember that? I'm like. I said he would do that, too. One of three people who think those look cool. Like, I want to see those on the street. You're not one of three people, bro.

Plenty of people were fucking with the Cybertruck. Really? Yeah. Hell yeah. It's the most you can afford it. What's a Cybertruck? It's that truck that he released, uh or showed people like two years ago and it looks like it was like rendered in probably like 64-bit graphics i would say

it looks like the car that the guy from the erosibo illustration would be would drive off exactly and just a blocky truck like the hieroglyphics that we sent yeah exactly yeah if there was another if if they also had to represent a car that's what the cybertruck also another tweet i like is from at crotchner tweeted do you think they were giggling inside the trojan ah that was mine damn mind melt we look melt. Look, we love a good history reference. I love that. Like, how do you not giggle? They're like, the fuck?

They must not have. Just right at the gate? Yeah. They're like, wow, look at this. It's a gift for us. We should bring this inside the walls. I definitely would have been giggling. I would have gotten everybody killed.

Just like this. Covering your mouth. I would have gotten everybody killed. Just like this. Covering your mouth. Shut the fuck up, Jack. And I like, too, there's a guy in the Trojan Horse named Jack. Yeah. Jack, shh. Shut the fuck up, Jack. Yeah, that was a good one.

New pod trailer comes out Monday. It was a tweet I enjoyed from Jamie Loftus Help, which is, that's an event. That's like a, that's an event. That's like a, you know. Truly. It's a new Nolan film drop, and that's a new. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Let's get ready, motherfuckers. What's she getting weird about this time? Do you guys know? You're going to have to wait until Monday to find out. But yeah, it's really dope. Today. Today. So, yeah, that's what I meant. It's Monday.

I knew that. Let's see another tweet i've been enjoying aiden tweeted at the water fountain just past airport security frantically refilling my aquarium and i mean that's just sad uh and then luke moans tweeted a picture of one of those uh baby bell cheeses like the wax things and said shout out to these little guys no better snack than cheese inside a candle there's so much wax on those i know okay and then finally i i did want to get your opinions on this uh i don't think i said you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien somebody tweeted, Spoonie Bard tweeted, when I was a kid,

I thought the long vampire fangs were hollow and had holes in the end that they drank blood through like straws. I thought that too. Did anybody else think that? Yep.

No. I did. Why do they have the little puncture wounds? What do you mean? What puncture wounds? So it just gets into the vessels and then they suck on it.

They can just straight up gulp your blood down. That's crazy, man. I don't know why you wouldn't want to suck it out. Their fangs are the Capri Sun straw to our neck, which is the Capri Sun. You don't need the straw inside the teeth, which doesn't make any sense, but that's what I thought was happening.

No, I was the same way. You know what it could have been too? It probably coincides when I found out that spider snakes fangs are hollow so the venom yeah exactly so i think i associated fangs with being straws or some kind of tubular vessel yeah anyways that's me but i'm not saying i'm smart that's just we're two dumb fucking guys no it's definitely not the same conclusion we both had the same thing like no i'm with you maybe that's like we're two dumb fucking guys no it's definitely not smart we both had the same thing I'm like no I'm with you maybe that's like our entire

worldviews were built on a shaky foundation of a very dumb assumption and now we like all the same tweets as one another so who knows you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist we're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnote, footnote. Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? Okay, so this is a track. I just saw the Denis Villeneise vilna of dune recently

wild okay and and so i was just listening to this old let's go out into some dave matthews to be specific david matthews who is a jazz musician uh who made this like jazz funk album in the 70s called dune and it was this this like funky jazz dude being like what if i made an album based on the book dune wow and some of the tracks are fucking really good and in fact this one we're gonna go out on which is called part two sandworms shout out shy hallooed is like like constantly being sampled in hip-hop from like large professor to like pete rock there's a method man a red man track so if you hear this you might recognize this as a sample that's used in hip hop but also this album i was like looking at the personnel on it it's pretty fucking stacked like dave like look dave sambourne who was a pretty famous jazz or sax player in the 80s and 90s

he's on it steve gadd one of my favorite drummers is playing on this too it's like they got good jazz people on this but playing a dune themed album so check this one out part two sandworms by david matthews i thought i was picturing you watching dune and then being like man when you think about it we're all just like ants marching like hopefully the song is better than the movie that's my wow okay hey it might be look if the bar is that low you're definitely gonna fuck with sand worms the track i wasn't crazy about the movie but i think i'm gonna enjoy it more once it's actually a complete movie i didn't i don't know i don't know shit about Dune, and I fucked with it. I was like, this is a lot of sand. That's pretty much all it's got going for it.

Yeah, I kind of have a thing for sand, so I might be biased. Also, jazz might have wanted to consider fake names. Those jazz musicians that you were i'm sure are legendary and amazing artists like david sanborn steve gatt steve gatt that's a that's a fucking programmer's name man that's not steve gatt is a nasty oh yeah i'll sing some clips i know what you mean but yeah that's that's back when you know people got by on just regular names. I heard of Axl Rose. I did not hear of Steve Gadd. You know, because I was seven and I was like, that name is fucking cool. In the late 80s, he did change his name to kind of keep up with the times.

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